looking great Ray! nothing wrong with the four layers at the front. of anything it is insurance over the seam. it is always nice to see someone's labor of love come alive.
Thanks Eloy! i wasn't sure whether or not to leave that in. you probably noticed all of the overlay vid work on this one...not sure if i like it or not...
I like the inbetween stuff, It adds toi the adventure of the build. People get to think, oh, so that's his environment. So, I am digging these episodes a lot. I want to see the paint job and the boat in the water. But I really hope you film you taking it to the river and the setup..just my though on it...
hey ,if anyone else wants to discover small boat plans free try Joolaim Rudder Replication (do a search on google ) ? Ive heard some unbelievable things about it and my mate got great success with it.
Looks great. I went overboard on my second boat and did 3 coats or real thick roven woven. A friend gave me a big roll. My first boat I put skegs on the bottom before I glassed it, big mistake. That thick stuff did not bend. I've been playing with chop strand mat and it's a little easier. You can fold it for corners fairly easy.
The trick for the chopped strand is just that, the fibers are chopped and then just tangled together into a fabric. It gives you decent omnidirectional strength since the strands are all random. It will soak better and bend much easier since the strands are so short and loosely packed. Woven fiberglass fabrics are meant for higher performance applications where weight is a top concern. They give more strength for less material since the strands are continuous giving the composite more integrity, however the strength really only works in the direction of the weave (some are biaxial or triaxial for applications where you need to handle different forces). Since its all woven and continuous, its harder to lay it down on the mold. If you think that one was hard, try laying some carbon fiber! That stuff does NOT like resin at all! (Most shops use infusion methods for carbon, which also work with fiberglass btw. But it can definitely be layed up manually if you've got the patience)
thanks Heath! i'm so amped about getting it in the water its not even funny!! Glad you like it.. the twisting and bending of the plywood has given me a few ideas for future projects!!
Thanks Heath!! I'm trying to get the video together of us getting it in the water....it was interesting! Im going to need to get a trailer for this boat!
I always overlap my fiberglass, carbon fiber, kevlar, etc.... Makes for a strong bond. In my boat build, i did 3 layers in some areas and 5 layers on the gunnels and on the oak strips on the bottom that will bump into stuff in shallow water. Mine is not right or wrong. It just is. and it works great.
+Bill D thanks! No fishing for a while, lol! I am just as surprised as everyone else that the bends came out this nice. Don't know if you've seen part 1 but I was really winging it when I bent the wood!
Do you have any experience with using painted canvas to waterproof a boat? If so, what are some of the advantages of using fiberglass over canvas? BTW, I'm enjoying getting caught up on your boat builds.
i have no idea about painted canvas! having said that.... i would think the only advantages to canvas is cost and weight. fiberglass is stronger but more expensive and more labor involved than canvas.
hey thanks for the shout out!! i really REALLY wanted to see you use the plastic trick (genius btw) !! i will try it eventually for sure! the boat is looking awesome man! i cant wait to see it in the water! good solid boat! the water line is hard to calculate because of the v bottom in the front. i have a kind of formula that gets close, but im just gonna guesstimate 5 inches up the trans and taper down towards the bow. lol (ill watch and see how close i am) thanks for quality content!
my pleasure Brian! i love your little boats and your channel, as well as Paul and Andrew. the shout out is something I've been wanting to do just kept forgetting. if everything goes well I'm going to get it in the water this weekend and see how she floats!
Ray Pena i have thought of it! i feel like its only worth the extra work if im going much faster than my boats go.... i could be wrong on my line of thinking.. the vee looks better on land and will be more effecient. did you sit in it?? your boat should be pretty low drag to go fast and plenty strong to hit some waves! mine are grandpa cruisers so far lol i might do vtwin v bottom....
Did you seal the whole outside with epoxy before you fiberglassed? If not that's probably why you were having trouble saturating the cloth all the resign was soaking into the wood.
When you are choosing fiberglas fabric, you should be sure than fabric is not processed with paraffin. There is special fabric for epox fiberglassing ( with no paraffin) and fabric with paraffin used in construction to wrap heat pipes. Second one is not usable for boatbuilding, because it rejects resign.
I only put one layer on the outside. I'm still working on the inside, and I will use one layer as well. The fiberglass in this case is to seal, not for strength
if epoxy was the choice of resin thinning it with denatured alcohol would help dampen the cloth & yes all the videos i have watched on laying woven glass seems they all put a base layer of resin then glass & so forth
Hey, what are your dimensions and how much epoxy/glass did you use? I'm currently building my first boat and trying get an idea of what I might need at the final stages. Are you painting it or do you use UV resistant epoxy?
You probably bought Dynel Cloth (Dynel is polyester woven fibre unlike fibreglass where it is woven glass) - if you were using a Polyester resin that is why it did not wet out. Dynel doesn't stretch well either...
thanks!! i used west systems epoxy, and so far less than 1 gallon. i think by the time i'm done it will be a full gallon or a pinch more.... but it is a 12' boat. if you haven't see all the other parts yet... i also take it for a water test.... and i had to build and modify a trailer to fit the boat too... lots of videos
it has been awesome! this is boat #5 for me but the first wooden one!! i'm glad i did it without plans, it was a great learning experience...so much so that it has given me another idea for a much simpler 1 sheet boat....for next year!
Ray Pena thanks! I already have. I wanna build a 15 or 16 foot boat out of plywood, for a large lake in my neighborhood, but I want to make it look like a modern yacht. any tips?
+DanTheMan FPV that sounds interesting! I'm not sure I can give you any tips since this was my first wooden boat, and I did it the hard way. Thanks thing I can suggest is to use plans since it will be much faster and clear. I've seen some VERY NICE flat bottom (easy) boats on spirainternational website.
thanks for the suggestions! but i plan on designing it myself. so you recommend making it flat bottomed? also, what electric in runner motor do you recommend?
+DanTheMan FPV awesome!! I do enjoy that my boat is my own design without plans. I think a flat bottom will be way easier to build...but...it will be a rough ride in mild waves. On My clear boats I used a 30lb thrust trolling motor and it got me to 2mph. A bigger trolling motor does not mean more speed. There are interesting"homemade" electric drives out there, that would be very cost effective....the torqedo motors are sooo expensive!
+Rag Tie thanks!! Yeah, I've left it alone for a week, I'm putting it in the water today to see how she floats!!, Then I'll sand an paint it, flip it over and do some of the inside work.
I've been planning on building a boat since 1980 something, but life kept getting in the way. Funny how working and raising a family takes up so much time. I've been kicking the idea around a lot lately and doing a little research, checking out plans, and watching videos. I have to say that watching your videos has been very helpful. I told my wife that I was thinking of building either an ultralight plane or a boat and she thinks the boat is a better idea. (As much as I'd like to learn to fly I was never serious about building a plane, but don't tell my wife or she might veto the boat) I told her about some plans I was looking at, especially a 55 footer. spirainternational.com/hp_tanu.php , but that's just so I can get plans for something around 16 feet and it will seem reasonable. I can't wait to see how yours floats.
Some good reading material is Glen L boat plan book, at least you can read and plan for that day and you will be prepared. That what I did for my tear drop campers.
looks like you were busy leaving comments on my videos. i had trouble wet it out with the glass i used and the epoxy.... it wasnt a blanket statement about 6oz glass
Favorite line, "there are a few small imperfections, but I really don't care" awesome attitude man! Can't wait to see this in the water.
Thanks Dan! i'm hoping to get it wet this weekend!! it should be interesting.
Taken out of context this comment could have an entirely different meaning. LOL!
yes it could!
looking great Ray! nothing wrong with the four layers at the front. of anything it is insurance over the seam. it is always nice to see someone's labor of love come alive.
Thanks Dana! i agree, 4 layers is better than one!! i hope to get it wet this weekend!!
so awesome!!! I love this series Ray!!! Also dug the moving from home to the shop...can't wait!!
Thanks Eloy! i wasn't sure whether or not to leave that in. you probably noticed all of the overlay vid work on this one...not sure if i like it or not...
I like the inbetween stuff, It adds toi the adventure of the build. People get to think, oh, so that's his environment. So, I am digging these episodes a lot. I want to see the paint job and the boat in the water. But I really hope you film you taking it to the river and the setup..just my though on it...
hey ,if anyone else wants to discover small boat plans free try Joolaim Rudder Replication (do a search on google ) ? Ive heard some unbelievable things about it and my mate got great success with it.
Looks great. I went overboard on my second boat and did 3 coats or real thick roven woven. A friend gave me a big roll. My first boat I put skegs on the bottom before I glassed it, big mistake. That thick stuff did not bend. I've been playing with chop strand mat and it's a little easier. You can fold it for corners fairly easy.
+steggc85 yeah, I will try the strand mat next time. I think the strands are lightly glued, and the glue dissolves with resin so it forms easily
The trick for the chopped strand is just that, the fibers are chopped and then just tangled together into a fabric. It gives you decent omnidirectional strength since the strands are all random. It will soak better and bend much easier since the strands are so short and loosely packed.
Woven fiberglass fabrics are meant for higher performance applications where weight is a top concern. They give more strength for less material since the strands are continuous giving the composite more integrity, however the strength really only works in the direction of the weave (some are biaxial or triaxial for applications where you need to handle different forces). Since its all woven and continuous, its harder to lay it down on the mold.
If you think that one was hard, try laying some carbon fiber! That stuff does NOT like resin at all! (Most shops use infusion methods for carbon, which also work with fiberglass btw. But it can definitely be layed up manually if you've got the patience)
Looking good Ray. I'm excited to see it on the water as well. Really cool project. Thank you for sharing!
thanks Heath! i'm so amped about getting it in the water its not even funny!! Glad you like it.. the twisting and bending of the plywood has given me a few ideas for future projects!!
Ray Pena I'll be watching for sure! Thanks Ray! 👍
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Man that looks sharp Ray. I see some fishing poles and a cooler missing. 😉 The seats look nice and comfortable too. Nice work!! 👍
Thanks Heath!! I'm trying to get the video together of us getting it in the water....it was interesting! Im going to need to get a trailer for this boat!
I always overlap my fiberglass, carbon fiber, kevlar, etc.... Makes for a strong bond. In my boat build, i did 3 layers in some areas and 5 layers on the gunnels and on the oak strips on the bottom that will bump into stuff in shallow water. Mine is not right or wrong. It just is. and it works great.
Very nice Ray awesome job my friend i like it great work :)
thanks Tj!! hope to get it wet this weekend!!
Cool man i hope to see the video soon my friend :)
TJ'S WOODWORKING SHOP
Awesome glass work. The bends in the wood are sweet. I got beer, when's the fishing trip? Lol
+Bill D thanks! No fishing for a while, lol! I am just as surprised as everyone else that the bends came out this nice. Don't know if you've seen part 1 but I was really winging it when I bent the wood!
shouldn't we wet out the surfice 1st then lay the glass on it & wet it out/ wipe it down while putting more resin on the fiberglass??
Yeah, figured that out
Interesting coating technology. Like!
thanks Aleksey!
I need this to go with my home made camper nice boat
Glad you liked it
Do you have any experience with using painted canvas to waterproof a boat? If so, what are some of the advantages of using fiberglass over canvas?
BTW, I'm enjoying getting caught up on your boat builds.
i have no idea about painted canvas! having said that.... i would think the only advantages to canvas is cost and weight. fiberglass is stronger but more expensive and more labor involved than canvas.
thank you Ray well documented video clear voice.
+Francisco Pinedo thank you, I do as best I can. Be sure to watch part 6 where I take it out for a float test
hey thanks for the shout out!! i really REALLY wanted to see you use the plastic trick (genius btw) !! i will try it eventually for sure! the boat is looking awesome man! i cant wait to see it in the water! good solid boat! the water line is hard to calculate because of the v bottom in the front. i have a kind of formula that gets close, but im just gonna guesstimate 5 inches up the trans and taper down towards the bow. lol (ill watch and see how close i am) thanks for quality content!
my pleasure Brian! i love your little boats and your channel, as well as Paul and Andrew. the shout out is something I've been wanting to do just kept forgetting. if everything goes well I'm going to get it in the water this weekend and see how she floats!
oooohhh man!!! thats going to be exciting!! i hope we get to join you!
you know it!!! i might have to have a special Part 5.5 to document it!
water test was awesome!! have you thought about making a bit more of a vee or rounded bottom boat yet!
Ray Pena i have thought of it! i feel like its only worth the extra work if im going much faster than my boats go.... i could be wrong on my line of thinking.. the vee looks better on land and will be more effecient. did you sit in it?? your boat should be pretty low drag to go fast and plenty strong to hit some waves! mine are grandpa cruisers so far lol i might do vtwin v bottom....
Did you seal the whole outside with epoxy before you fiberglassed? If not that's probably why you were having trouble saturating the cloth all the resign was soaking into the wood.
yeah...lesson learned
Am planning to pop my boat building cherry pretty soon and this is massively helpful info!! Many thanks
Also you used epoxy insteas of polyester resin. It would of wetted out much easier.
When you are choosing fiberglas fabric, you should be sure than fabric is not processed with paraffin. There is special fabric for epox fiberglassing ( with no paraffin) and fabric with paraffin used in construction to wrap heat pipes. Second one is not usable for boatbuilding, because it rejects resign.
Beautiful curvy bottom. The boat's not bad too!
Lol, that one made me laugh
You know I mean hers, not yours, right?
Ha, yeah I know.
Watching to see how to do this application, I am building a teardrop camper and want to fiber glass the out side
should work well
Which wood to use, to make a boat, and which he used to cover the cracks
Time to float!
yes it is!! i wanted to have a float test for this video but as you know....time can run out quickly!
Hi ! How many coats of fiberglass did you put on the hull ? And inside the boat ?
Thank you
I only put one layer on the outside. I'm still working on the inside, and I will use one layer as well. The fiberglass in this case is to seal, not for strength
Ray MAKES ok thanks ! And one coat of polyester resin as well ?
I used epoxy resin. But I put a second coat on top to smooth out the glass
You have to roll the resin on wood first for adhesion and saturation, then place the mat. Then roll it out and pour more resin.
thanks, i ended up figuring that out. i think with polyester, it soaks through the weave much easier, not so with epoxy
applying a coat of resin before applying the fabric would help with wetting out.
if epoxy was the choice of resin thinning it with denatured alcohol would help dampen the cloth & yes all the videos i have watched on laying woven glass seems they all put a base layer of resin then glass & so forth
Learned that the hard way
So you don't need a hardener after the resin? I need to know because so many people say use a hardener after the resin.
With the resin
Hey, what are your dimensions and how much epoxy/glass did you use? I'm currently building my first boat and trying get an idea of what I might need at the final stages. Are you painting it or do you use UV resistant epoxy?
The boat is 12' long and 4' at the widest point. It is painted, check the follow up videos. I still need to finish the inside.
You probably bought Dynel Cloth (Dynel is polyester woven fibre unlike fibreglass where it is woven glass) - if you were using a Polyester resin that is why it did not wet out. Dynel doesn't stretch well either...
+Eden Clark-Murphy good info
That bow is just beautiful. Could easily fit in a modern sailing dinghy. I wonder what software did you used to plan the panels?
+joão Basto thanks, but I did not use software, the entire boat is improvised, no plans. Here is part 1 ruclips.net/video/nIvOluxjjcs/видео.html
What was the weight of the cloth you used?
Don't recall
what kind of motor are you thinking for this? V10? V12? :p
good question!! maybe ill just take the one out of my Rocket III and make it an inboard!
NICE BUILD!!!! Ray I was wondering how much epoxy did you use? 1 or two gallons, and what brand?
thanks!! i used west systems epoxy, and so far less than 1 gallon. i think by the time i'm done it will be a full gallon or a pinch more.... but it is a 12' boat. if you haven't see all the other parts yet... i also take it for a water test.... and i had to build and modify a trailer to fit the boat too... lots of videos
Thanks I have been inspired to build one thanks to you!!! Great job and detail!
GREAT!! let me know how it works out, and feel free to ask me any questions if you get stuck!
WILL DO!! Thanks!
Did you put coating fiberglass inside & outside the boat?
I haven't finished the inside, but yes I will
How long and wide is your boat sir? how high the sidings pls....
the boat is 12' long, 4' wide and the sides are 12" tall
This is fantastic!!! Sir how many gallons of epoxy you spend on this project?
Just one
Nice work ,
thanks
one day I will make a boat!
it has been awesome! this is boat #5 for me but the first wooden one!! i'm glad i did it without plans, it was a great learning experience...so much so that it has given me another idea for a much simpler 1 sheet boat....for next year!
What is the fabric kind oz?? 8 oz Thanka
I don't remember
hi nice videos. How much you spend on fiber glass? looks expensive
Everything was about $300
great job!
thanks
How much resin do you think you went through?
About a gallon
Donde compro el epoxy y el fiber glass?
Anazon
You don't need to have it set up so quick. You can use and additive to give you longer working time. Looks sick tho. I want to make one now.
yeah, i figured that out too. now i have 2 different hardeners for that reason
CAN U GIVE THE LINK OF FIBE GLASS U HAVE USED
that was over a year ago, i dont remember who i bought it from other than it was on ebay
I'll check those vid channels out. if you haven't seen it yet, check out tar and salt's channel. Really cool boat build project!
i just checked them out....THAT is an ambitious boat!
how long is that boat?
+DanTheMan FPV the boat is 11'-9". If you want to see how it sits in the water, check out part 6
Ray Pena thanks! I already have. I wanna build a 15 or 16 foot boat out of plywood, for a large lake in my neighborhood, but I want to make it look like a modern yacht. any tips?
+DanTheMan FPV that sounds interesting! I'm not sure I can give you any tips since this was my first wooden boat, and I did it the hard way. Thanks thing I can suggest is to use plans since it will be much faster and clear. I've seen some VERY NICE flat bottom (easy) boats on spirainternational website.
thanks for the suggestions! but i plan on designing it myself. so you recommend making it flat bottomed? also, what electric in runner motor do you recommend?
+DanTheMan FPV awesome!! I do enjoy that my boat is my own design without plans. I think a flat bottom will be way easier to build...but...it will be a rough ride in mild waves. On My clear boats I used a 30lb thrust trolling motor and it got me to 2mph. A bigger trolling motor does not mean more speed. There are interesting"homemade" electric drives out there, that would be very cost effective....the torqedo motors are sooo expensive!
You're getting close. Let that resin cure before you tweak it to much brother. looking good & have dun
+Rag Tie thanks!! Yeah, I've left it alone for a week, I'm putting it in the water today to see how she floats!!, Then I'll sand an paint it, flip it over and do some of the inside work.
Nice!
I've been planning on building a boat since 1980 something, but life kept getting in the way.
Funny how working and raising a family takes up so much time.
I've been kicking the idea around a lot lately and doing a little research, checking out plans, and watching videos.
I have to say that watching your videos has been very helpful.
I told my wife that I was thinking of building either an ultralight plane or a boat and she thinks the boat is a better idea.
(As much as I'd like to learn to fly I was never serious about building a plane, but don't tell my wife or she might veto the boat)
I told her about some plans I was looking at, especially a 55 footer. spirainternational.com/hp_tanu.php , but that's just so I can get plans for something around 16 feet and it will seem reasonable.
I can't wait to see how yours floats.
she floats beautifully...ill have a video of the boat on the water up soon!
Some good reading material is Glen L boat plan book, at least you can read and plan for that day and you will be prepared. That what I did for my tear drop campers.
i see you have a mohawk lift,great lift
+Frank Genty yeah, it does the job.
Wet ur wood first if not ur going to have big problems the wood will suck the resson out of ur matting an ull have to add more
yes, i wish i knew that when i started
Should've glassed you strakes on after yo glassed the boat
maybe, but its fine for now
6 oz glass will not wet out... lol yea ok.
looks like you were busy leaving comments on my videos. i had trouble wet it out with the glass i used and the epoxy.... it wasnt a blanket statement about 6oz glass
that shits going to delam in no time... wet it out first lay the cloth then wet it out again... a brush or roller would speed things up
Dude, you talk just like John C. Reily.
Not sure if that's good or bad
Xhamster
what?
5 commercials in a 10 min video... Geez... Save some advertisement revenue for everybody else..
complain much?