Not a bad choice as OC but I think Bill Bedenbaugh is a little upset he was not chosen a OC. Because there is no way he is coaching the offensive line.
Hmmm Gabe Ikard mentioned Tarquin the transfer from USC has been the only consistent O lineman. Maybe coaches need to rethink taking O-line transfers from lesser institutions
No choice. It was a huge bet on the future, but Arnold’s the mental aspect failed. Not everyone can handle the pressure. The team can’t sacrifice an entire season waiting on mental maturity of one player. Not ideal, but it is what it is. You’ll have 20% of fan base who won’t budge on Arnold because they will always believe the next game will be his breakout. It looks like the rest, however, have accepted reality.
Lol arnold sucks and that other guy hawkins is mid asf. Brent venables is a bum who couldnt even bring in competition to compete with that paperweight Jackson arnold
Jackson's 5 game body of work says exactly who he is. He's not the one to lead this offense. O-line play or not. He is not a field General who has command of the offense. He shouldn't see the field and be demoted to 3rd string..
Naw bro. Jackson was cheeks. Late throws. About 65% of plays he is making wrong read, decision, throw. I was all for the kids but they pulled him at right time and it’s likely over for him here. Bummer but sometimes it doesn’t work out
Reminder, in this very comment section, before the season started, i said Arnold was not that dude and I got ripped for it. I know that A LOT of it has to with the pathetic O-Line and our receiver room being completely devastated, but even so, Arnold cannot handle the pressure, period. Some people thrive in the limelight, others fold, he's a folder and Hawkins thrives under the pressure.
few things from being at the game. defense is insane! hawkins is a better decision maker more aggressive than JA, why? i dont know. arizona game messed him up i guess. tenn game was winable
Right call? Should have made the call 2nd half of the HOUSTON game. Arnold was stinking the place up against HOUSTON. Am I the only one who could look a couple weeks down the road and think, if he looks this bad against Houston, what is Tennessee going to be like? Well, we found out. All I've heard for 2 years is the arm talent of JA. He can make "all the throws". Maybe in high school. The one most important asset for a QB to have is balls. Hawkins seems to have that in spades.
JA forced BV to bench him. You can’t turn it over that many times in unforced ways. Throw the ball out of bounds, take the sack, just go 3-and-out…..literally all he had to do was just not turn it over.
Easier said than done against Tennessee 's dline. That's the best line in the entire SEC besides UGA maybe.. Oklahoma 's is about at that elite level as well. Nice defensive slugfest.
You guys need to slow your roll. Real in the emotions. Let the coaches use their experience right now. Seth has great success as a OC in three different places and success as a HC. Bill B is considered one of the best Oline coaches in the country. They are both proven. let them cook. Stop being so emotional.
Y’all are exactly right! Gotta let Hawkins learn in the job!!! No better experience than game experience! Quinn went through it…if y’all be patient it will pay great benefits next year 🤘
@@timothyfitzgerald3168 thats exactly what DMack and Barry said about him. He's just been surpassed in talent by bv's superior recruits and its starting to show. Love the guy forever, he's a sooner through and through but it is what it is!
Why did Littrel call so many runs down the middle?? With our crap O'line playing against one of the best Defensive lines, I wouldn't have even thought attempting to run down the middle would have even been part of the game plan. They ran outside to the perimeter only a handful of times but it was effective when they did. Why would you stop doing what is working and doubling down on what isn't??
I've seen and heard from a lot of people hating Jackson Arnold and praising Hawkins Jr. Which is justified, but a lot of this is on the OC. Arnold is a more of a mobile QB than Hawkins. OU runs a predominantly passing offense where you don't see a lot of design runs for the QB. Hawkins is a straight up pocket passing QB that can run. This offense is right up his alley. The OC does not use Arnold right at all. Hopefully for Arnold he transfers to a school that uses his skill set better
Yes it was, and it showed once MHJ got comfortable. He was able to makes plays and move the ball. Also showed some toughness, because he got smacked a few times but kept on fighting. Jackson Arnold is not what he was advertised to be. Time to move on. I know the line isn’t what us fans are used to, but Hawkins made things happen with the same line. Also, please make Tatum the main RB. He’s the most physically gifted of all of the backs, and like most backs needs to get into a rhythm. Defensively this team is good, but the offense did them no favors against Tennessee. Get Hawkins acclimated ASAP because it’s a long season and that defense will keep them in games.
Being an Army Combat Veteran and former Army Drill Sergeant…. I have a slightly different perspective. I feel like this is completely coaching related. Mainly talking offense here….But After months and sometimes years with these guys, observing and mentoring through different levels of stress inoculation, you should absolutely Know what you have…each guy’s strengths and weaknesses…and be able to put them in the very best possible position for The TEAM to Succeed!! These coaches have failed to do that, Period!! EGO and Sentimentality are the Enemies of TEAM…and I think some of these coaches have some definite Ego and Sentiment issues….simply judging by who they have played, especially on offense, and how they have played them!!
I heard Hawkins is more suited to a line that can't block! He's never had one at either HS he played at! So he's more adept at that game! But the bottom line is until the Big guys get well we are gonna struggle!
The mistake made was promoting Littrel instead searching for the very best OC that Brent Venables could find. BV has had 3 years of on the job training.
Jackson has shown a tendency to pick the absolute worst Option, Which Shows that he does not possess an innate ability to analyze defenses quickly enough for the College Game. You can say well he is young etc...I SAID "Innate" ability speed for the college game..can it be developed yes but, there again if it were innate then he could access even more processing power in other area's of the game..limiting floaters, honing missiles that if not caught are becuase they literally bounce of X's Chest....You can say he has only X games under his belt, You can give me 1000 other excuses, I get it.. However critical thinking under extreme direst is a quality that separates 5 Star from Superstar..From what i can tell in Games Arnold's ability to digest voluminous amounts of GAME TIME information is directly proportional to the Points on the board.
He is showboating, attempting to make the most difficult play, thinking it will redeem him. The problem is that he was doing this at the cost of his team and program.
I could call a better game than Seth.. I’m willing to bet 60% of OU fans can do just as well. First thing I’d do is start Tatum and Hawkins. Then I’d run two tight ends just about every down. The shotgun formation run up the gut for zero yards isn’t scaring anyone. We became a pass only offense, and that pressure on Arnold wasn’t working. Hawkins is the better qb for an O line that’s struggling. Arnold would thrive if he played any other year at OU. It’s sad really
The 10-14 points OU needed to tie or even win the game was left on the field when Jackson coughed up the ball near the 5, and that weak backwards pass (debatable about whether it was backwards or not but still such a weak throw). We were on Tennessee’s side of the field for both of those situations and couldn’t even get 3 points. Let’s say you punch it in at the 5 and then the other drive you get stopped so you kick a field goal. That’s your OT opportunity right there. It’s true Hawkins is no Caleb Williams. But he is what we have going forward. I don’t have a problem with Jackson Arnold coming in every once in awhile to change things up and the crowd better not boo him if that happens. I don’t want to be the fanbase that is known for booing their QBs. We need to have better class than that. The time to make it known you don’t want him is write Venables a letter or do something to put the bug in his ear. Booing at a young kid for doing something not even you can do is wrong. I am guilty of Booing Rattler and I regret it. Not because I thought he was good. It’s because it is something that can hurt one’s mental health. Some might view themselves as failures and will for sure resent the program. We need to be better as fans moving forward.
Rattler proved to be good and he most definitely played better than Arnold. JA is still young but he doesn't seem like a NFL level talent or that he can transfer to another SEC school and start.
And Hawkins played better than Arch Manning in half the time and against better competition. He didnt even get first team reps in practice to prepare either. I think people put too much emphasis on Star ratings and hype. But Hawkins was a 4-star and that's nothing to sneeze at if you're into ratings, so I don't see why ppl seem so hesitant crowning him the future. He's done nothing but shown he's the better QB the whole time he's been on campus.
@@touchdownparlay I ain’t shying away with him taking over! I just know he is super young and is prone to a lot of mistakes. Which I’ll take a mistake everyone once in awhile compared to several plays in a row like another QB.
I expect mistakes (maybe a lot of mistakes) going forward from Hawkins. He's a freshman with limited options at receiver, no run game, and the o line is a mess. I still hope that the offense shows some improvement as the season progresses, maybe some guys come back from injury. I like what I see from him so far😎
Hawk is QB1 moving forward, he has the IT factor. Offensive coordinators both need to be gone at the end of the season if not sooner! Time to bring in someone with a big time offense that Bv would hate to play defense against.
Parker and Brandon said why JA started the season. It was supposed to be 2 years of JA and 2 years of Hawk. He outplayed JA all off-season but they hoped that JA would work thru the issues he was showing and if so nobody would be none the wiser when it comes to Hawk starting instead. But when he showed the last few weeks he couldn't get it done they made the switch an they wanted to make absolutely sure and give JA every opportunity to turn it around an if they was to make the switch it needed to be past due
I've been studying in our team pretty hard over the last month. And I can pretty much guarantee you. This Oklahoma will win. Maybe one game, if they keep Jackson in and if yes, Michael starts it kind of leaves it open where we might win a lot more and I'm going to bet my house on that seriously. But I think we have a really bad problem with our offensive coordinator and he needs to be fired and let go as soon as possible.And somebody else needs to take over because his play calling is so simple.And i've seen high school play calling better than this
So Hawkins comes in, ran the same plays with the same OL as Arnold but with different results. I think that speaks volumes about who our QB should be. It’s not Littrell or BB or the OL that has held us back. It’s QB play and execution. Arnold is a nice young man with 5 stars and lots of NIL $ but isn’t getting the job done.
@@ronaldlamascus1944 that’s just not true the removable terms where he took multiple losses and had multiple lineman in the backfield already on top of him and that shows how many times he was sacked which was more than Arnold
That’s coach speak if I ever heard. You might tweak your play calling a little to avoid the high risk-high reward plays you’re willing to do at the beginning of a game, but they’re telling us the players and coaches don’t want first downs and touchdowns? Tennessee is a run first offense. They threw the ball 11 times in the first half and 10 times in the second half. The only difference was we didn’t give them 5 turnovers in the 2nd half with the best field position imaginable (yes, I’m counting the turnover on downs at midfield on the first possession, and the safety as turnovers).
You asked where the JA from Arkansas St is, and to that I would say that this 2024 offense looks very poorly coached. Players seem to not know what's going on. Tons of drops. Missed routes. Poor decision making. Constant turnover on the line. Against Arkansas St, Arnold was operating in a Lebby coached offense. I was no Lebby supporter, but there is a clear drop off in coaching since Lebby left. JA is not set up for success in this offense. Scheme is bad. Play calling is vanilla borderng on procedural. Players are not prepared for game day. That's my observation anyway. Love the content guys.
Is schimty working these guys to hard? How can the defense be so strong and the offense who practices against this offense looks so weak? If nothing else the Oline should look strong enough to at least not get blown off the ball.
Tennessee is on top of the world right now. It's been forever since they had a football team to be excited about. Good for them. But this narrative like they could have scored 40 or 50 if they wanted, and they showed Oklahoma what it's like in the sec? Come on big orange. You ain't been any good in 20 years or more. Enjoy your season and show some gratitude that we gifted you a great head coach, but every year isn't going to be like this one from now on. The Sooners will get back to prominence as always and we will return the favor. That you can count on.
The last time OU moved on from a possible future 1st rounder, Troy Aikman got hurt and transferred to UCLA, and a freshman Jamelle Holieway lead the way.
Come on guys let’s call it what it is I get Hawkins looked great but that was when Tennessee switched to prevent for the last 9 mins of 4th quarter like do we take that much out of it??
Sorry that’s just how bad our offense has been. This is what we got. We have a freshman inexperienced, quarterback. we have a bad offensive line. Starting receivers are injured and are out. Our offensive coordinator sucks. Should we even be favored against Auburn?
The reason JA was able to do more things in the Tulane game. Our OLine was better than Tulane’s defense. That game looked more like Jackson. Hawkins is swiftly so he he doesn’t need as good of an OLine. I do think with this OLine and his style of play will get injured before the season is done with a OLine like this
Uh, they DID give Arnold a no read play. It was a run up the gut. There was no option to pass. But he did. On the backward pass play. That is why he was pulled. BV said there was no throw option in the play in the postgame presser. Sucks for Arnold, but I guess he is just seeing ghosts. And if he can't run the play that is called...you gotta bench him. 😮💨
That's why the wr (burks maybe?) had no idea it was coming and held his hand up like "what da hek" after the play. What really sucks is that play was actually blocked somewhat well. You would have gotten 3-5 up the gut. 😅
Offense line is no good . Hard to learn to play Quarterback without a OL. JA would’ve done better if we had a decent OL. He will be in the portal next year. JA will make another team good as long as they have a Ol were he can learn and not have to worry about getting hit on every play Hawkins jr will be our next quarterback getting tackled on every other play Only hope OU OL learns how to defend their Quarterback or it’s going to be a bad year
BV defense has gotten in JH's head. Good on Good is good to a certain extent (sometimes you just need to see the ball go in the net). First, just respect the grind when the defense gifts you the ball, Jackson did not do that. Second, just protect the ball.
For OU, it’s a WHOLE OFFENSE ISSUE plus Jackson Arnold. The receivers, the running back, O-Line, Quarterback, Offensive Cordinator and his Scheme, Assignments, Reads, etc… EVERYTHING about our offense needs a change, it’s all gone to shit, and we need a revamp to find our identity again
We moved on from Spencer Rattler for far better play, and Hawkins had a better game than Arch Manning in half the time, against better competition. Spencer is showing himself to be a NFL level talent and JA doesn't show that right now.
@@demetricclark9341 OU outscored Tennessee 12-6 in the second half. OU could’ve had 14 points if they weren’t playing catch-up and the analytics game as they went for 2-pt conversions. 3 of Tennessee’s 6 points came on a turnover on downs on the OU 20. The only thing that went well for Tennessee offensively in the first half was the 1 big pass, and otherwise it was the OU offense giving up 5 turnovers (if you count the turnover on downs at midfield and the safety). Hawkins protected the ball and that was the difference in the first half, combined with just his decision making. OU lost the game against a great team, and we now feel better about the offense moving forward. Lots of work to do.
@@demetricclark9341 My point is OU found their QB, just 2 quarters too late. Arnold has shown major vulnerabilities and lack of development his first 5 starts counting last years bowl game. Hawkins is a gamer. That’s the point. OU is feeling good knowing we have a dude who can run the offense without being such a liability.
@@phillips3994 ok I get thar yall might found yall qb so what about yall oline I mean they looked bad out there too be kinda hard for your new qb to throw when he is laying on his back all the time
Not only was benching JA the right call but Seth Litrell should have been escorted outbof the building and his thumbprint removed from accessing the facility.
Yes, it is time for Hawkins but people give him a chance as well as Jackson people trying to run him out. Jackson has lost all confidence and making a lot bad and wrong reads. He aims the ball he doesn't even seem to throw the ball well. Give him a chance to get that back we need both guys. Jackson hasn't paid behind a good line including the bowl game. I love both these Quarterbacks Hawkins had run for his life in High School he hasn't had a good line so maybe he is used to it. Hawkins is faster, which gives him more of a chance. The line and blocking are so bad right now. Just watch Okla's breakdown Gabe broke it down. Don't go down that road who did better off-season either. Sharp was supposed to be the next coming. He can't block anyone he drops some balls he ok as a receiver and hopefully gets better. as well as how good some of these portal guys were supposed to be solid to good. That hasn't shown up. Hick's last 2 years suppose to shine he can't even get in a game. Also positive with Hawkins he has been working with the receivers so his chemistry might be better with them. Pettiway will step up i hope Kearney and Ivan do as well we need height out there. Hester needs to show up. the small receivers are getting knocked around off their routes and it messes up the timing. They need out there like 10-15 snaps on setup plays. The play calls need to improve and set up for what the offense can do whether it is blocking or QB. We are injured badly but most of those guys are not coming back. Nick starting over on recovery- Farooq is out for another 4-8 weeks. I doubt Anthony will play again this year. Tatum is out let's save him for Texas Burkes hopefully back in Auburn. Franklin doesn't block in the backfield God we have an issue with Blocking. Now we need to figure out some stuff so we still can have a very good season the Defense is legit. If the Offense just communicates it will improve greatly. BV is mad hopefully he gets everyone on offense whipped into shape and gets them to give us 100 of what they can do we can win with that Great show Guys
This is my personal opinion but you give up Dylan Gabriel in order to make Jackson Arnold the Star quarterback of your team and then choose to bench in before the half knowing full well that you have no proven playmaker ability other than in practice with Hawkins Junior. And end up DG ends up looking like a Heisman contender one of the most prolific passers this season and you give that guy up in order to bench the guy you replaced him for.. understanding one thing from a coaching perspective you grow through adversity you don't grow through wins you grow through losses big losses, you have to understand how that player or team is going to rally and work hard to get out of the hole that some decisions and broken blocks got them into. He is a phenomenal quarterback, he has to be able to play all four quarters and understand how to rally up and get the team across the finish line. For god sakes you scored 15 points.... You're telling me without Jackson Arnold off the field that was the best opt? I would sit here and say if you left Jackson Arnold in the whole game you'd probably be closer to 25 with his playmaker and his leg skills. But you'll never know cuz you gave up on the Star quarterback of your team.
I agree but you have to learn how to overcome adversity. Look at the rookies in the NFL it's is not looking great for the QBs from the draft but they are giving the ability to learn through the battle, if we were in war how do you build a strategy around loss and avoiding it without understanding what it feels like. How to bounce back? I've been coaching kids in HS for over 12 years. If I pulled a kid for mistakes I would have never had a QB develop into a hardened, football smart kid. By now he is at that hing spot to need the school and team behind JA. All you're doing by dismissing him is making him lose faith around his own team. He has to own the mistakes and learn from them
Again at this point we got to try something different to get the Offense moving Michael Hawkins jr at QB Seth littrell has to Call better plays Quit going up the middle so much when you know our offensive line is struggling So more play action pass Bootleg pass Screen pass to Barnes or Burks Option run plays With Michael Hawkins jr as QB got to change playbook.
I think to have a good offense we need new offensive coaches for next year. Coach BB needs to be moved to just working with development of freshman. I will give Coach Jones a pass since his room is depleted of its top receivers. Coach Murray is a great former OU back but that doesn’t make one a good coach. We need to Move on from Coach Murray and same for Coach Littrell and Coach Finley.
He really had no choice. Yes the Oline is bad, but we needed a spark, and you cant keep doing the same stupid things that aren't working. We have arguably the worst schedule in the country so changes have to happen fast. We can't waste this defense with seniors like Stutsman and Bowman.
I hate the JA has come into the horrible line and receiver situation he has but it’s pretty obvious he can’t make it work with the depleted tool box he has. You have to try something different.
I don’t understand how Jackson can’t get his reads right there running the same offense he ran in highschool and same Jeff ran. He had that many years running same thing and can’t get it right. He never going get it right.
Arnold is portal bound, his rep is gone with the team and coaches. Bad thing is knowing the SEC like the back of my hand like I do, SEC DC's now that they are game planning for Hawkins, they will shut him down too, he isn't that good to overcome a bad O-line, very average WR core, poor coaching from the top down. BV isn't a HC he is a DC, he is lost. OU is/will in about a month be irrelevant 6-6 team with Hawkins, their outlook is better but not really because knowing he's coming ALA/UT/LSU/OLE MISS/MISSOURI/SOUTH CAROLINA will stop him. Also Tenn didn't show anything against OU to save from being scouted against. Could have beat OU much worse. Heupel much better Head Coach than BV, and infinitely better than Littrell with offense, Littrell is a high school level coach, but blame BV because he hired him, BV is a problem, he is in a place where he isn't competitive with other top-level HC's. Feel bad for kids because feel like they were led to believe it would be better, this getting their butts handed to them WILL CONTINUE, no matter the location. Pull for them still I will, but I have no illusions about how average they are, because they are a 6-6 team.
The QB situation will sort itself out. But the game plan…what kind of game plan was that? I mean are these offensive coaches drinking on the job? That’s a legitimate question, who was it that was sitting around the table and thought “ I think our O line can dominate and we are gonna run it right up the middle, through the strength of their defense” Someone thought that was a good idea and they need to be drug tested because that’s just ass out ignorance
Armold would have benefitted greatly from another year behind D.G. Yes the OL needs major work, but again thats all the more reason another learning year would have helped.
They need to get Cale back as OC.
Would he be willing to take that job? After what Oklahoma did to him?
Don’t get me wrong I’d absolutely love him back, but would he be willing to take the job again?
Never hurts to try and see
Not a bad choice as OC but I think Bill Bedenbaugh is a little upset he was not chosen a OC. Because there is no way he is coaching the offensive line.
Your absolutely correct
Hmmm Gabe Ikard mentioned Tarquin the transfer from USC has been the only consistent O lineman. Maybe coaches need to rethink taking O-line transfers from lesser institutions
If Arkansas can bring back Bobby Petrino, we can bring back Cale Gundy
I feel bad for JA. I think he’s a good kid but isn’t working out. With the move to Hawkins we’ll find out if this staff can develop players!
Jackson was giving the starting job, they should have kept Dillon
They gotta play jacobe johnson at receiver
No choice. It was a huge bet on the future, but Arnold’s the mental aspect failed. Not everyone can handle the pressure. The team can’t sacrifice an entire season waiting on mental maturity of one player. Not ideal, but it is what it is. You’ll have 20% of fan base who won’t budge on Arnold because they will always believe the next game will be his breakout. It looks like the rest, however, have accepted reality.
Lol arnold sucks and that other guy hawkins is mid asf. Brent venables is a bum who couldnt even bring in competition to compete with that paperweight Jackson arnold
@@matthewdepaz3723you have the opportunity to apply for a job within the football program. Calling BV a bum is next level smooth brained 😂
LMMFAO!!! Always cracks me up, when someone says BV isn’t the man, but the dude talkin workin assembly line😂💀😂💀😂😂
Venerables is a hell of a coach. But he needs to step back and take a long look at both his QB and oline coaches and recruiters.
Arnold hasn't scored a touchdown in 6 quarters, Hawkins scored 2 in 1 quarter. Where is the problem?
Jackson's 5 game body of work says exactly who he is. He's not the one to lead this offense. O-line play or not. He is not a field General who has command of the offense. He shouldn't see the field and be demoted to 3rd string..
The biggest problem isnt Arnold, its the OC and a porous OL
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 why did the second string QB do what Jackson didn't do with OC and terrible OL?
Naw bro. Jackson was cheeks. Late throws. About 65% of plays he is making wrong read, decision, throw. I was all for the kids but they pulled him at right time and it’s likely over for him here. Bummer but sometimes it doesn’t work out
That’s prbly true but Arnold was still a problem.
@@northfork7201 exactly
Arnold needs to have to earn the spot back.
Both guys are good. One may be more ready than the other on a given day.
Why would Seth run the ball into the teeth of the Defense on that safety play? That's on the coaches.
Agree. If ain’t working then tear the page out of the book and burn it. Hasn’t worked all year. He needs to shift quickly. Like today.
Reminder, in this very comment section, before the season started, i said Arnold was not that dude and I got ripped for it. I know that A LOT of it has to with the pathetic O-Line and our receiver room being completely devastated, but even so, Arnold cannot handle the pressure, period. Some people thrive in the limelight, others fold, he's a folder and Hawkins thrives under the pressure.
We need Cale Gundy back bad man. Sux he made a mistake and people condemned the man right away.
few things from being at the game. defense is insane! hawkins is a better decision maker more aggressive than JA, why? i dont know. arizona game messed him up i guess. tenn game was winable
Right call? Should have made the call 2nd half of the HOUSTON game. Arnold was stinking the place up against HOUSTON. Am I the only one who could look a couple weeks down the road and think, if he looks this bad against Houston, what is Tennessee going to be like? Well, we found out. All I've heard for 2 years is the arm talent of JA. He can make "all the throws". Maybe in high school. The one most important asset for a QB to have is balls. Hawkins seems to have that in spades.
JA forced BV to bench him. You can’t turn it over that many times in unforced ways. Throw the ball out of bounds, take the sack, just go 3-and-out…..literally all he had to do was just not turn it over.
Easier said than done against Tennessee 's dline. That's the best line in the entire SEC besides UGA maybe.. Oklahoma 's is about at that elite level as well. Nice defensive slugfest.
OC Seth needs to go asap and Hawkins needs to be starting QB.
Yes Seth needs to go. But it's Bill B issues also. JA is being ruined by bad coaches. 6:13
Agreed
You guys need to slow your roll. Real in the emotions. Let the coaches use their experience right now. Seth has great success as a OC in three different places and success as a HC. Bill B is considered one of the best Oline coaches in the country. They are both proven. let them cook. Stop being so emotional.
@@willsmith8586 emotional? The guy was fired from different schools
@@willsmith8586 Okay say you are right. Knowing the oline issues why are we not running the 2 back set. To help pass and run blocking?
Y’all are exactly right! Gotta let Hawkins learn in the job!!! No better experience than game experience! Quinn went through it…if y’all be patient it will pay great benefits next year 🤘
Woodi always gets beat!
Yep slow to turn his hips.
I think Washington is a holdover as one of the best guys on a bad defense under Riley, and now we're seeing how average he is on a great defense.
@@timothyfitzgerald3168 thats exactly what DMack and Barry said about him. He's just been surpassed in talent by bv's superior recruits and its starting to show. Love the guy forever, he's a sooner through and through but it is what it is!
Yea i agree he shouldn't be on the field.
Why did Littrel call so many runs down the middle?? With our crap O'line playing against one of the best Defensive lines, I wouldn't have even thought attempting to run down the middle would have even been part of the game plan. They ran outside to the perimeter only a handful of times but it was effective when they did. Why would you stop doing what is working and doubling down on what isn't??
I've seen and heard from a lot of people hating Jackson Arnold and praising Hawkins Jr. Which is justified, but a lot of this is on the OC. Arnold is a more of a mobile QB than Hawkins. OU runs a predominantly passing offense where you don't see a lot of design runs for the QB. Hawkins is a straight up pocket passing QB that can run. This offense is right up his alley. The OC does not use Arnold right at all. Hopefully for Arnold he transfers to a school that uses his skill set better
When Burks comes back, how do you feel about throwing him in the back field and see what he does?
He straight quit on his team Saturday I don't have faith him in moving forward
Yes it was, and it showed once MHJ got comfortable. He was able to makes plays and move the ball. Also showed some toughness, because he got smacked a few times but kept on fighting. Jackson Arnold is not what he was advertised to be. Time to move on. I know the line isn’t what us fans are used to, but Hawkins made things happen with the same line. Also, please make Tatum the main RB. He’s the most physically gifted of all of the backs, and like most backs needs to get into a rhythm. Defensively this team is good, but the offense did them no favors against Tennessee. Get Hawkins acclimated ASAP because it’s a long season and that defense will keep them in games.
Being an Army Combat Veteran and former Army Drill Sergeant…. I have a slightly different perspective. I feel like this is completely coaching related. Mainly talking offense here….But After months and sometimes years with these guys, observing and mentoring through different levels of stress inoculation, you should absolutely Know what you have…each guy’s strengths and weaknesses…and be able to put them in the very best possible position for The TEAM to Succeed!! These coaches have failed to do that, Period!! EGO and Sentimentality are the Enemies of TEAM…and I think some of these coaches have some definite Ego and Sentiment issues….simply judging by who they have played, especially on offense, and how they have played them!!
I heard Hawkins is more suited to a line that can't block! He's never had one at either HS he played at! So he's more adept at that game! But the bottom line is until the Big guys get well we are gonna struggle!
They had no choice. People saying they shouldn’t was not watching what we saw.
The mistake made was promoting Littrel instead searching for the very best OC that Brent Venables could find. BV has had 3 years of on the job training.
A ankle dislocation is often a fracture but always result of severe injury. Not like a shoulder dislocation the time can be much longer😊
Jackson has shown a tendency to pick the absolute worst Option, Which Shows that he does not possess an innate ability to analyze defenses quickly enough for the College Game. You can say well he is young etc...I SAID "Innate" ability speed for the college game..can it be developed yes but, there again if it were innate then he could access even more processing power in other area's of the game..limiting floaters, honing missiles that if not caught are becuase they literally bounce of X's Chest....You can say he has only X games under his belt, You can give me 1000 other excuses, I get it.. However critical thinking under extreme direst is a quality that separates 5 Star from Superstar..From what i can tell in Games Arnold's ability to digest voluminous amounts of GAME TIME information is directly proportional to the Points on the board.
He is showboating, attempting to make the most difficult play, thinking it will redeem him. The problem is that he was doing this at the cost of his team and program.
I could call a better game than Seth.. I’m willing to bet 60% of OU fans can do just as well. First thing I’d do is start Tatum and Hawkins. Then I’d run two tight ends just about every down. The shotgun formation run up the gut for zero yards isn’t scaring anyone. We became a pass only offense, and that pressure on Arnold wasn’t working. Hawkins is the better qb for an O line that’s struggling. Arnold would thrive if he played any other year at OU. It’s sad really
The 10-14 points OU needed to tie or even win the game was left on the field when Jackson coughed up the ball near the 5, and that weak backwards pass (debatable about whether it was backwards or not but still such a weak throw). We were on Tennessee’s side of the field for both of those situations and couldn’t even get 3 points. Let’s say you punch it in at the 5 and then the other drive you get stopped so you kick a field goal. That’s your OT opportunity right there. It’s true Hawkins is no Caleb Williams. But he is what we have going forward. I don’t have a problem with Jackson Arnold coming in every once in awhile to change things up and the crowd better not boo him if that happens. I don’t want to be the fanbase that is known for booing their QBs. We need to have better class than that. The time to make it known you don’t want him is write Venables a letter or do something to put the bug in his ear. Booing at a young kid for doing something not even you can do is wrong. I am guilty of Booing Rattler and I regret it. Not because I thought he was good. It’s because it is something that can hurt one’s mental health. Some might view themselves as failures and will for sure resent the program. We need to be better as fans moving forward.
Rattler proved to be good and he most definitely played better than Arnold. JA is still young but he doesn't seem like a NFL level talent or that he can transfer to another SEC school and start.
And Hawkins played better than Arch Manning in half the time and against better competition. He didnt even get first team reps in practice to prepare either. I think people put too much emphasis on Star ratings and hype. But Hawkins was a 4-star and that's nothing to sneeze at if you're into ratings, so I don't see why ppl seem so hesitant crowning him the future. He's done nothing but shown he's the better QB the whole time he's been on campus.
@@touchdownparlay I ain’t shying away with him taking over! I just know he is super young and is prone to a lot of mistakes. Which I’ll take a mistake everyone once in awhile compared to several plays in a row like another QB.
this reminds me of 85 when Aikman went down. was a good result
I expect mistakes (maybe a lot of mistakes) going forward from Hawkins. He's a freshman with limited options at receiver, no run game, and the o line is a mess. I still hope that the offense shows some improvement as the season progresses, maybe some guys come back from injury. I like what I see from him so far😎
Hawk is QB1 moving forward, he has the IT factor. Offensive coordinators both need to be gone at the end of the season if not sooner! Time to bring in someone with a big time offense that Bv would hate to play defense against.
Yes but should. Put #09! In 2th QR
Parker and Brandon said why JA started the season. It was supposed to be 2 years of JA and 2 years of Hawk. He outplayed JA all off-season but they hoped that JA would work thru the issues he was showing and if so nobody would be none the wiser when it comes to Hawk starting instead. But when he showed the last few weeks he couldn't get it done they made the switch an they wanted to make absolutely sure and give JA every opportunity to turn it around an if they was to make the switch it needed to be past due
I've been studying in our team pretty hard over the last month. And I can pretty much guarantee you. This Oklahoma will win. Maybe one game, if they keep Jackson in and if yes, Michael starts it kind of leaves it open where we might win a lot more and I'm going to bet my house on that seriously. But I think we have a really bad problem with our offensive coordinator and he needs to be fired and let go as soon as possible.And somebody else needs to take over because his play calling is so simple.And i've seen high school play calling better than this
Woodi got absolutely cooked like I didn’t think he would anymore
So Hawkins comes in, ran the same plays with the same OL as Arnold but with different results. I think that speaks volumes about who our QB should be. It’s not Littrell or BB or the OL that has held us back. It’s QB play and execution. Arnold is a nice young man with 5 stars and lots of NIL $ but isn’t getting the job done.
The O Line is definitely a huge reason our offense is garbage also. It is atrocious.
@@dmjsra04 and yet with Hawkins the OL was as good as Tennessee.
Not really, guys were still free releasing to Hawkins. Hawkins was just more athletic and got away from it several times.@ronaldlamascus1944
@@ronaldlamascus1944 that’s just not true the removable terms where he took multiple losses and had multiple lineman in the backfield already on top of him and that shows how many times he was sacked which was more than Arnold
Yea watch Jackson transfer to Jeff lebby next year
its a complete offensive problem, from QB, Line, Running game , bad calls and reads
I've been screaming out since the first game what do we have to lose Arnold is definitely not the man
The only other move would’ve been playing Casey Thompson. A change had to happen. With our offensive line Arnold could see the field again this year
How do they claim they slowed down? Whose up just barely 1-2 scores slow down? Makes no sense. Never slow down. Think our D just locked up
That’s coach speak if I ever heard. You might tweak your play calling a little to avoid the high risk-high reward plays you’re willing to do at the beginning of a game, but they’re telling us the players and coaches don’t want first downs and touchdowns? Tennessee is a run first offense. They threw the ball 11 times in the first half and 10 times in the second half. The only difference was we didn’t give them 5 turnovers in the 2nd half with the best field position imaginable (yes, I’m counting the turnover on downs at midfield on the first possession, and the safety as turnovers).
Auburn fan here yes we are buns but it’s almost like I said all offseason a freshman qb and new online won’t look good glad y’all finally see 😂😂
You asked where the JA from Arkansas St is, and to that I would say that this 2024 offense looks very poorly coached. Players seem to not know what's going on. Tons of drops. Missed routes. Poor decision making. Constant turnover on the line. Against Arkansas St, Arnold was operating in a Lebby coached offense. I was no Lebby supporter, but there is a clear drop off in coaching since Lebby left. JA is not set up for success in this offense. Scheme is bad. Play calling is vanilla borderng on procedural. Players are not prepared for game day. That's my observation anyway. Love the content guys.
5 star sophomore...$750K NIL already...?
Is schimty working these guys to hard? How can the defense be so strong and the offense who practices against this offense looks so weak? If nothing else the Oline should look strong enough to at least not get blown off the ball.
Tennessee is on top of the world right now. It's been forever since they had a football team to be excited about. Good for them. But this narrative like they could have scored 40 or 50 if they wanted, and they showed Oklahoma what it's like in the sec? Come on big orange. You ain't been any good in 20 years or more. Enjoy your season and show some gratitude that we gifted you a great head coach, but every year isn't going to be like this one from now on. The Sooners will get back to prominence as always and we will return the favor. That you can count on.
The last time OU moved on from a possible future 1st rounder, Troy Aikman got hurt and transferred to UCLA, and a freshman Jamelle Holieway lead the way.
A resounding yes!
How the hell do you throw into tripple coverage. That Int was boneheaded.
Come on guys let’s call it what it is I get Hawkins looked great but that was when Tennessee switched to prevent for the last 9 mins of 4th quarter like do we take that much out of it??
Sad Oklahoma is only a -1.5 favorite vs Auburn
Sorry that’s just how bad our offense has been. This is what we got. We have a freshman inexperienced, quarterback. we have a bad offensive line. Starting receivers are injured and are out. Our offensive coordinator sucks. Should we even be favored against Auburn?
@@johnmanning4097 I think so. Hugh freeze is losing the locker room. Oklahoma despite all the hiccups are still a tight knit group
The reason JA was able to do more things in the Tulane game. Our OLine was better than Tulane’s defense. That game looked more like Jackson. Hawkins is swiftly so he he doesn’t need as good of an OLine. I do think with this OLine and his style of play will get injured before the season is done with a OLine like this
We have great recruiters in some areas besides oline and now we need some player developers 😊
Hawkins was running for his life too!
Uh, they DID give Arnold a no read play. It was a run up the gut. There was no option to pass. But he did. On the backward pass play.
That is why he was pulled. BV said there was no throw option in the play in the postgame presser.
Sucks for Arnold, but I guess he is just seeing ghosts. And if he can't run the play that is called...you gotta bench him. 😮💨
That's why the wr (burks maybe?) had no idea it was coming and held his hand up like "what da hek" after the play.
What really sucks is that play was actually blocked somewhat well. You would have gotten 3-5 up the gut. 😅
How do you you throw a backwards pass on a damn called running play? He has to sit down.
Which begs the question will Arnold transfer if it remains Hawkins?
It really looks like Litrell and Jackson Arnold may have a bice career ahead of them. At Montana State.
Short answer: yes
He reminds me of Jamal Holiway when called upon .
Offense line is no good . Hard to learn to play Quarterback without a OL.
JA would’ve done better if we had a decent OL.
He will be in the portal next year. JA will make another team good as long as they have a Ol were he can learn and not have to worry about getting hit on every play
Hawkins jr will be our next quarterback getting tackled on every other play
Only hope OU OL learns how to defend their Quarterback
or it’s going to be a bad year
BV defense has gotten in JH's head. Good on Good is good to a certain extent (sometimes you just need to see the ball go in the net). First, just respect the grind when the defense gifts you the ball, Jackson did not do that. Second, just protect the ball.
For OU, it’s a WHOLE OFFENSE ISSUE plus Jackson Arnold. The receivers, the running back, O-Line, Quarterback, Offensive Cordinator and his Scheme, Assignments, Reads, etc… EVERYTHING about our offense needs a change, it’s all gone to shit, and we need a revamp to find our identity again
Here's what frightens me. They decide BV isn't The One. They hire a Scnellenberger and BOOM we are Nebraska by 2026
We moved on from Spencer Rattler for far better play, and Hawkins had a better game than Arch Manning in half the time, against better competition. Spencer is showing himself to be a NFL level talent and JA doesn't show that right now.
I know littrel was on the 2000 team, but what other sec teams could he actually be oc for, and north texas was not special under his helm,
This reminds me of Jason White and Nate Hybl
If they would have made this call a week ago, Oklahoma would have beaten Tennessee
Be quiet u still crying about Saturday night better luck next year 🤡
@@demetricclark9341
OU outscored Tennessee 12-6 in the second half. OU could’ve had 14 points if they weren’t playing catch-up and the analytics game as they went for 2-pt conversions. 3 of Tennessee’s 6 points came on a turnover on downs on the OU 20. The only thing that went well for Tennessee offensively in the first half was the 1 big pass, and otherwise it was the OU offense giving up 5 turnovers (if you count the turnover on downs at midfield and the safety). Hawkins protected the ball and that was the difference in the first half, combined with just his decision making. OU lost the game against a great team, and we now feel better about the offense moving forward. Lots of work to do.
@@phillips3994 game of football is 4 quarters not 2 even if it was 2 quarters u would have still lost
@@demetricclark9341 My point is OU found their QB, just 2 quarters too late. Arnold has shown major vulnerabilities and lack of development his first 5 starts counting last years bowl game. Hawkins is a gamer. That’s the point. OU is feeling good knowing we have a dude who can run the offense without being such a liability.
@@phillips3994 ok I get thar yall might found yall qb so what about yall oline I mean they looked bad out there too be kinda hard for your new qb to throw when he is laying on his back all the time
Here’s my thing, Oklahoma was ranked 15-16, Tennessee is ranked 6 at the time, but according to Tennessee fans this was a “big win”
It was the right call.
Yes
Not only was benching JA the right call but Seth Litrell should have been escorted outbof the building and his thumbprint removed from accessing the facility.
Yes, it is time for Hawkins but people give him a chance as well as Jackson people trying to run him out. Jackson has lost all confidence and making a lot bad and wrong reads. He aims the ball he doesn't even seem to throw the ball well. Give him a chance to get that back we need both guys. Jackson hasn't paid behind a good line including the bowl game. I love both these Quarterbacks Hawkins had run for his life in High School he hasn't had a good line so maybe he is used to it. Hawkins is faster, which gives him more of a chance. The line and blocking are so bad right now. Just watch Okla's breakdown Gabe broke it down. Don't go down that road who did better off-season either. Sharp was supposed to be the next coming. He can't block anyone he drops some balls he ok as a receiver and hopefully gets better. as well as how good some of these portal guys were supposed to be solid to good. That hasn't shown up. Hick's last 2 years suppose to shine he can't even get in a game. Also positive with Hawkins he has been working with the receivers so his chemistry might be better with them. Pettiway will step up i hope Kearney and Ivan do as well we need height out there. Hester needs to show up. the small receivers are getting knocked around off their routes and it messes up the timing. They need out there like 10-15 snaps on setup plays. The play calls need to improve and set up for what the offense can do whether it is blocking or QB. We are injured badly but most of those guys are not coming back. Nick starting over on recovery- Farooq is out for another 4-8 weeks. I doubt Anthony will play again this year. Tatum is out let's save him for Texas Burkes hopefully back in Auburn. Franklin doesn't block in the backfield God we have an issue with Blocking. Now we need to figure out some stuff so we still can have a very good season the Defense is legit. If the Offense just communicates it will improve greatly. BV is mad hopefully he gets everyone on offense whipped into shape and gets them to give us 100 of what they can do we can win with that Great show Guys
This is my personal opinion but you give up Dylan Gabriel in order to make Jackson Arnold the Star quarterback of your team and then choose to bench in before the half knowing full well that you have no proven playmaker ability other than in practice with Hawkins Junior. And end up DG ends up looking like a Heisman contender one of the most prolific passers this season and you give that guy up in order to bench the guy you replaced him for.. understanding one thing from a coaching perspective you grow through adversity you don't grow through wins you grow through losses big losses, you have to understand how that player or team is going to rally and work hard to get out of the hole that some decisions and broken blocks got them into. He is a phenomenal quarterback, he has to be able to play all four quarters and understand how to rally up and get the team across the finish line. For god sakes you scored 15 points.... You're telling me without Jackson Arnold off the field that was the best opt? I would sit here and say if you left Jackson Arnold in the whole game you'd probably be closer to 25 with his playmaker and his leg skills. But you'll never know cuz you gave up on the Star quarterback of your team.
You can’t turn the ball over 3 times in a game and except everyone be okay with that.
I agree but you have to learn how to overcome adversity. Look at the rookies in the NFL it's is not looking great for the QBs from the draft but they are giving the ability to learn through the battle, if we were in war how do you build a strategy around loss and avoiding it without understanding what it feels like. How to bounce back? I've been coaching kids in HS for over 12 years. If I pulled a kid for mistakes I would have never had a QB develop into a hardened, football smart kid. By now he is at that hing spot to need the school and team behind JA. All you're doing by dismissing him is making him lose faith around his own team. He has to own the mistakes and learn from them
Jay, you knew Michael Hawkins was better than JA all the time. Coop told you that when you try to sugarcoat it. Jay keep it 100. Quit sugar coating it
Again at this point we got to try something different to get the Offense moving Michael Hawkins jr at QB Seth littrell has to Call better plays Quit going up the middle so much when you know our offensive line is struggling So more play action pass Bootleg pass Screen pass to Barnes or Burks Option run plays With Michael Hawkins jr as QB got to change playbook.
I think to have a good offense we need new offensive coaches for next year. Coach BB needs to be moved to just working with development of freshman. I will give Coach Jones a pass since his room is depleted of its top receivers. Coach Murray is a great former OU back but that doesn’t make one a good coach. We need to
Move on from Coach Murray and same for Coach Littrell and Coach Finley.
He fits rpo better, can read a def, can read more then his primary wr and acts like he wants it more
They need to play devon mitchell at tight end. Bauer isn't the guy
They made the only call. Jackson is atrocious. No other choice.
Called this to a T. Should’ve benched him against Tulane
Not the same D minus Dolby and Gentry . Both are ballers and we need ballers
The OC is the problem IMO.
He really had no choice. Yes the Oline is bad, but we needed a spark, and you cant keep doing the same stupid things that aren't working. We have arguably the worst schedule in the country so changes have to happen fast. We can't waste this defense with seniors like Stutsman and Bowman.
20:53 They need to stay in the 2 back set
Two back set…yes. We need a bulldozer, Runnels fullback type player to bring physicality to the run game
Agree brother makes the defense at least have to play your pass and worry about both runs. Don’t need to use it all game but would help.
@@kobe4266 Agreed
I hate the JA has come into the horrible line and receiver situation he has but it’s pretty obvious he can’t make it work with the depleted tool box he has. You have to try something different.
The 'Crimson Missile' Needs more reps Boomer Sooners
Folks slowly starting to realize Tennessee being bad under the previous 4 coaches has nothing to do with Josh Heupel and the CURRENT regime !!
EPL as a jumbo te for short yardage
I don’t understand how Jackson can’t get his reads right there running the same offense he ran in highschool and same Jeff ran. He had that many years running same thing and can’t get it right. He never going get it right.
It kinda, maybe, almost happened, if 2 touchdowns and 2 extra points, and an onside kick away maybe if we could in the remaining 5 minutes..😆😆😆😆
That's being unrealistic, both OU quarterbacks were running for their lives the entire games
Its Hawks team to lose now
Hawkins He is going to get hurt playing like that.
@@TheRealBrotherLance maybe but he earned the start next week imo. Ja can stay ready behind Hawk til he loses the job to injury or poor play
Arnold is portal bound, his rep is gone with the team and coaches. Bad thing is knowing the SEC like the back of my hand like I do, SEC DC's now that they are game planning for Hawkins, they will shut him down too, he isn't that good to overcome a bad O-line, very average WR core, poor coaching from the top down. BV isn't a HC he is a DC, he is lost. OU is/will in about a month be irrelevant
6-6 team with Hawkins, their outlook is better but not really because knowing he's coming ALA/UT/LSU/OLE MISS/MISSOURI/SOUTH CAROLINA will stop him. Also Tenn didn't show anything against OU to save from being scouted against. Could have beat OU much worse. Heupel much better Head Coach than BV, and infinitely better than Littrell with offense, Littrell is a high school level coach, but blame BV because he hired him, BV is a problem, he is in a place where he isn't competitive with other top-level HC's. Feel bad for kids because feel like they were led to believe it would be better, this getting their butts handed to them WILL CONTINUE, no matter the location. Pull for them still I will, but I have no illusions about how average they are, because they are a 6-6 team.
Hawkins He is going to get hurt playing like that.
Yeah that boy is gonna have to learn to slide
The QB situation will sort itself out.
But the game plan…what kind of game plan was that? I mean are these offensive coaches drinking on the job?
That’s a legitimate question, who was it that was sitting around the table and thought “ I think our O line can dominate and we are gonna run it right up the middle, through the strength of their defense”
Someone thought that was a good idea and they need to be drug tested because that’s just ass out ignorance
They need to get rid of the Rpo
Armold would have benefitted greatly from another year behind D.G. Yes the OL needs major work, but again thats all the more reason another learning year would have helped.