I mean, they are Brits, so an American song such as the Marine Hymn means less to them. Like an American not exactly caring about "God Save the King/Queen"@TheGelatinousSnake
Actually it is the Second oldest. HMS Victory is still in commission. However the USS Constitution is the oldest commissioned warship still able to move under her own power. Victory is in permanent drydock.
@@phildicks4721 Thank you for sharing. I had thought that there was a British warship that was older, but didn't remember the name to find out if she was a commissioned warship or not.
Every Marine learns these stories in Basic Training. After my first tour in Vietnam I returned to the Marine Corps Recruit Depot (MCRD) in San Diego, Calif. where I instructed Marine Recruits and permanent personnel. I taught 15 different subjects during this 4 year posting before returning to my 2nd tour in Vietnam Tom Boyte GySgt. USMC, retired Vietnam 1965-66/1970-71 0331 Infantry Machine guns. 0369 Infantry Unit Leader
No soldier myself but have Vietnam vets in my family. Never talked much about their tours, the bit they did clearly stuck with them for life. While they're no longer around all i can do is thank you for your service as i would them if they were still here.
You'd think the rest of the world would look at that and go, "gee, maybe we should do that instead." Especiall after what Decatur went on to do. That guy was savage. And then to just sail into an enemy port with a whole mess of gun boats, put the whole city under direct threat of extreme Naval bombardment and lay down the law... the man was insane. And you know they were looking at him and thinking, "he may actually be insane enough to do that."
The politician who negotiated with the pirates without permission is the start of the saying in the US military, "Get the job done before the politicians f*ck it all up," which was also what a general of the US said when the first Gulf War kicked off.
Of course. But here's a thought. Maybe it would be a good idea for politicians to get involved. For those playing the home game, Saudi Arabia indeed has nuclear weapons. It's extremely hard to invade a country that has a nuke. Which is why we didn't do shit after September 11th. You know, when a Saudi Prince and a majority of Saudi men took over airlines and changed our entire world history. Who did we blame? "Al-Qaida" And we sent 3,000+ men and women to die invading countries that had nothing to do with said event. I'm not saying intervention in those countries wasn't needed. But I will reiterate. THEY DIDNT DO ANYTHING. At least when the 9/11 attacks are concerned. Welcome to the realization that what TFE/Nick said about using a warlords brother to overthrow him finally makes sense. Any of you Operation Iraqi Freedom vets feel free to chime in as to why you got sent there in the first place. You played in the sand...For what? Why did you go there? Following orders is one thing. But playing in the sand and dealing with all of that, all of the resistance. WHY???
If you havent seen it yet, Seal Team Rescue of Jessica Buchanan. Youll learn how we despised dealing with terrorists so much we spent over $100m to rescue an american from pirates rather than pay a like $40m ransom.
John Adams and Thomas Jefferson were the best of friends until they started to disagree over polices, so they stopped talking until later on in life the made up, writing to each other until they died and they both died on the 4th of July independence day.
The last recorded words of John Adams were, "Thomas Jefferson still survives". He, in Massachusetts, had no way of knowing that Thomas Jefferson had died in distant Virginia earlier that day.
I'd also argue that Thomas Jefferson's best friend was Meriwether Lewis. The same Lewis of the Lewis and Clark expedition. Lewis lived in the White House with Jefferson for a few years. They were really close friends and Jefferson picked him to lead the Corp of Discovery because he admired Lewis so much.
I don't think nor believe they had best friends back then. That's a new concept. Friends were distant because of travel and communication and were rarely seen in person in most of the country.
The sad part is most of the sailors were sold as slaves during the war of 1812. They were never recorded. How many husbands and fathers never came home. To remain forever a prisoner of war.
True, but if course the same is true for the British as well, and many of the things that enable us in the US to do it are things we got from the British military tradition. The big difference is that the independence that they give to their lieutenants, we carry a step further down to sergeants. Our officers on the ground have the ability to take initiative.
Brilliant video y'all, I'm 72 and know this story from school, they don't teach this anymore n America. Thank y'all so much for putting it out there for new generation. Freedom is not Free. 🇺🇸❤️👍
These stories would not only have been something passed down to relatives, but these would also have been recorded by the US military and archived as historic records.
There were a lot of Colonists who were Tories and fought for the King . Sometimes it became brother against brother and father versus son . This resulted in thousands of Americans immigrating North to Canada . The Patriot forces never had more numbers of soldiers , but their support from France changed the game at Yorktown Virginia .
@@victorwaddell6530 The US had more soldiers than the British did. But Yes many civilians went North but did not fight until the US tried to invade. 50k Troops are what they help the New World with and that at it's peak.
I found a really good book detailing the commissioning, building, and service of these first ships of the United States Navy named "Six Frigates" and I cannot recommend it enough. Wild ride. America is also pretty decent at recording the insanity that we do, because the precedent was set early on that Americans do Wild Things for the sake of whatever cause boiled our blood, and there has to be documentation somewhere about it. Lots of documentation. In triplicate.
The Houthis have made their position clear. The attacks on ships supplying Israel's gencide will stop when Israel stops the genocide. The Houthis have explained that Yemen is a signatory to the Convention Against Genocide. (As are the US, UK). As a signatory, they're *obligated* to take measures to stop g-cide. You may disagree with the measures they've taken. But misstating their position indicates that you're not presenting an honest argument.
@@cygnusx-3217 One issue with that argument... Israel is not committing genocide. But you know who want to commit a genocide and actually attempted to do so? Hamas. Why didn't the Houthis do anything when Hamas massacred 1200 people on Oct. 7th?
@@cygnusx-3217 The Houthis position will soon be permanently horizontal if they don't stop screwing around, lobbing Iranian weapons at anything that moves.
@@cygnusx-3217what are you talking about? 😂😂😂😂😂 Hamas started the war then danced in the streets. Guess it's not funny when illegal occupiers called Palestine blood is flowing from the river to the sea 😂😂😂😂😂. No peace until all hostages freed
Interesting fact: Many Native Hawaiians from the Kingdom of Hawaii were recruited to aid US Navy and Marines during the early pirate hunting expeditions.
According to two separate sites I used to calculate how much 225,000 dollars from 1801 is worth today I get $5,497,901.57. And remember thats in addition to whatever the original tribute was.
If there's one thing the US Military has always been exceptionally good at it's keeping records. It would take a lifetime to read all the stories of legendary Americans that are just sitting in the Library of Congress.
You've got to wonder whether Stephen Decatur didn't really care about pirates at all he was just pissed off to have to keep sailing back and forth across the Atlantic. 😉
"Why did he do that?" Because he was a glory-seeking bureaucrat working with the Department of State. The State Department has always been the bane of those of us who plan/conduct military and special operations. This is from State's irritating desire to hold diplomacy as the goal rather than success of the mission.
The names of various currencies back in those days were references to a specific weight of a chosen metal (usually silver or gold). The US Dollar back then was defined as 371.25 grains (24.057 g) (0.7735 troy ounces) of fine silver while the UK Pound Sterling was quite literally a pound of Sterling Silver (240 pence divided into 20 shillings so 12 pence per shilling). Since the names are definitions of an amount by weight that meant it took 18.85 dollars to make a pound (I'm oversimplifying a bit because the US used fine silver while the UK used Sterling silver so the actual exchange ratio would be different based on the differences in the metal). Anyways, going off of silver prices as of today of $28.36 per troy ounce, that means an OG US Dollar would be worth $21.94 today. So that extra $225,000 surcharge demanded from Jefferson would be a tribute hike of $4,935,705.50 at today's silver rates. And this is in an era where an average workman would earn a wage of $65 per year ($1,425.87 today). That was a LOT of money being demanded and I'm guessing that "temporary" penalty wouldn't be so temporary.
its called a "Protection Racket." The mobster tells the store owner to pay the mobster money every week so the mobster won't break the store owner's leg.
I'm 56 and grew up on stories like this. At one time they used to teach us in school stories like this. Afraid they don't do that anymore. Not just military stories either as I will always remember the old tribal story of the princess and rabbit on the moon.
Stephen Decatur! That's who my city (Decatur, Illinois) was named after... We even have a Stephen Decatur school (middle school now, was a high school for a long time). He, along with Abraham Lincoln (who had a cabin near here before he went to Springfield) are the most talked and taught about and praised U.S. leaders in our area.
Actually the U.S. and U.K. had big beef for the longest time lol we really only started to get along around WWI (or was it WWII?… it was one of the WW’s)
What was crazy was all of Europe were just paying the Barbary states. It wasn't until the USA defeated them that England, Spain, and all the rest decided to stop being punked & "stand on business" with them. Lol
The British soldiers marched in a line out in the wide open while the country farmers fought like they were hunting deer or turkeys. British soldiers wouldn't break away from the style of battle they were trained to do. Kentucky long rifles were acute from hundreds of yards away and British soldiers were taught to wait until they could see the whites of their enemies eyes
It does sound like a fantasy story when you say this one guy jumped on the boat and started killing thirty pirates. But it's not an exaggeration, and it does have an explanation. The explanation is, lots of people jumped on lots of boats. But we don't tell stories about the ones that just got killed. The winners are the only ones who get stories.
To be fair about our revolutionary war, we had a standing army augmented by militias as well as financial, materiel, and manpower help from France. We didn’t do it alone. I love my country for what we achieved, but we weren’t just a bunch of farmers.
There are two rules the world needs to abide by and that is don’t touch our flag and most importantly DON’T TOUCH OUR FUCKING BOATS/SHIPS other wise don’t expect mercy cause we have nun to give only the god himself has both compassion and mercy and we ain’t him but we’ll sure send you to him hence the term “lay them to waste and let god sort them out” 🤷🏽♂️ personally I feel like that’s a fair deal no?
We were English back then before the revolutionary war. That's why we were called colonist. We were People from England that came over and colonized America. Then we had the revolutionary war in 1776 and became our own country. That's why we referred to Britain as the mother country. We got tired of being taxed by the good old King. We pushed back . Then the king tried to take our powder and our guns and disarm us. And we said hell no kick their ass and then we became America. Lol
The cause of The war of 1812, had a lot more to do with the Napoleonic wars than with pirates. The war with Napoleon was causing a people shortage, in The Royal Navy, which lead them to stop and board American ships, so they could press American sailors to serve, in The Royal Navy. This was one of the causes, anyway. Madison rewarded any commercial American vessels, that captured and pilfered English ships. Causing one London newspaper to refer to the city of Baltimore as a den of pirates. This is why Baltimore was the British army's objective, after they burned down the White House. A storm kicked up and put out most the fires, in the capital. That storm also formed a tornado, I shit you not. The tornado scattered the British army, temporarily. The War of 1812 is fun to study.
The city of Baltimore later had a riot when in 1883 Union soldiers marched through town disturbing the pro-Confederacy contingent amongst the population. From this the city earned the nickname, "Mobtown." It was only after Baltimore's crime became such a big issue in the 1990s that they tried to change the name to a long series of schmaltzy alternatives. I was always partial to "Mobtown."
I'm American and I just wanna point out that the French played a major role in the US gaining independence as the Continental Navy (the navy before the US Navy) had zero chance against the British Navy, so removing the British blockades would've been next to impossible without the French Navy. French soldiers also helped train the American colonial militias. Also, it was the Treaty of Paris that saw the US come into existence in 1783 and be officially recognized by the French and the British. The US wouldn't become a major player on the world stage until at least WW1. I don't even think they kept a standing army during peace time before then.
ok, disclaimer, i am an American, so when i say that i love this story.. i am Biased. but i absolutely love watching people from other countries reacting to this story. The Fat Electrician is an amazing story teller. yes he embellishes some things for dramatic effect, but it is always obvious when he does it and it is always backed up by facts. Education while entertaining.. beautiful. thanks for your video as well. this was great.
"Where did they get these Greek mercenaries?" Bruv, Greeks are always down for the party. Little pay, tons of risk, bit of trolling along the way? Where do we sign up?
Things like this speckle all through history. If it was made into a movie no one would believe it. Reminds me of Agincourt, The 300 Spartans, Audie Murphy, Sgt York....
That 200k then would be 8.5 million today. More or less. (figures est. via price of bread in 1800s compared to current price, its actually a pretty stable price over the years.)
@21:12 it is believable, there was barely any gun tech then lol no rifling hell, blackbeard would light fires in his hair to startle enemy, and look up Miyamoto Mushashi
Decatur had at least 10 towns named after him on the East Coast of the US alone... I'm pretty sure there's one on the West Coast too... He was an ABSOLUTE GANGSTER.
not going through all the comments, but the Civil War came after the Revolutionary war. Just using major wars, the list goes like this Revolutionary War, then the American-Algerian War which lead up to the Barbary Pirates which is what The Fat Electrician is talking about basically, War of 1812, then another Barbary Pirate war shortly after, then the Civil War. However you are correct that there were only farmers and other common folk that made up the Army on the American Side. So it was close to 100 years between the Revolutionary War and the Civil War. Another reason why we did pretty good was we did not fight the same way the British did. We learned Guerilla warfare from the Native Tribes basically and we used times when Armies were suppose to be resting for holidays as a time to strike.
The best calculator I have found so far, starting at 1800 converting to 2024: $225,000 dollars converts to $5.5 million. 1 USD then is approximately 24.80 USD today. So basically "above and beyond whatever you're currently paying me, I want an extra 5.5 million dollars because "you are now the leader of your nation" The treaty the diplomat made was technically impossible for the "pirate king" to abide by in 1807, since it promised the return of the USS Philadelphia as one of the terms, and by the time it was signed, the USS Philadelphia had already been completely burned into wreckage and then lay at the bottom of the ocean.
We had the civil war 80 years after the revolution. We were armed because of the French Indian war, and to protect ourselves in the wilderness. Soo, when the brits got pushy we kicked them out and became our own country. We built the Navy to protect our ships.
The story of the US Navy and piracy didn't end in the early part of the 1800s because over 200 years later, Somali Pirates started doing the same thing. Shipping companies had made an unspoken deal with them that their crews wouldn't fight back as long as the pirates didn't kill them and ransomed them off instead along with their ships. Maersk Alabama with an American crew was then boarded by pirates--for the first time in two centuries--but the crew fought back wounding one of them. While most of the crew had locked themselves in a storage room, they did so after disconnecting the steering gear, shutting down the boilers and sending out a distress signal. The US Navy then went into action sending ships to confront the pirates. The pirates eventually fled in a life boat with the ship's captain held hostage. One of the US Navy ships ended up placing snipers on board to take care of the problem. From there they were able to get a thermal image of the pirates inside the covered life boat and killed all of them with head shots. This started an international effort organized by the US to rid the horn of Africa of piracy, which in the end was successful. Moral of the story: the US doesn't like pirates.
Where this narrative is so unfair is that he essentially puts down John Adams and props up Jefferson. What isn't mentioned is that Jefferson opposed the construction of a blue water, global sailing navy and wanted to build really cheap rowing galleys useful only near the coast. Adams, on the other hand, was a major proponent of building a true navy. Without Adams, Jefferson couldn't have done a thing.
There seems to be a huge misconception about who the “Americans” in America during the time it was colonised. Unlike other countries where the British Empire has colonised, the colonists in America were British citizens (and other things) that moved over to the “New World” after news came out about it. The only Americans that were actually American at that time were the Native Americans (Indians) and they were not even part colony, they were their own separate entity. All colonists were British citizens that moved over to the new world to get a fresh start.
Did he maybe just explain why large chain stores really don't stop shop lifters, it encourages shoplifting at smaller stores as well and helps run them out of business?
Hello from America. The great state of Ohio. Just found your channel and enjoy you 2 immensely. Am quite amazed you are so into America. I am intrigued by Britain.
For the first 50 years america was a country Britain and US had a love/hate relationship. After america beat them in MULTIPLE wars did UK devide to play nice
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“Millions in defense before a cent in tribute” that lines so hard😤😤
USA! USA! USA! 🇺🇸
It's sooooo fkn American 😅 🇺🇸
@@algoner4421 What is?
@@Average-Illinoisan the comment from jaziahbryson695
well, why would we pay them when we could make ourselves stronger and not have to pay them to begin with, its a win win.
The US marine corps hymn begins with the words “From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli.”
@@guyintenn yeah but felt like there was zero reaction
I mean, they are Brits, so an American song such as the Marine Hymn means less to them.
Like an American not exactly caring about "God Save the King/Queen"@TheGelatinousSnake
@@leojamesclune1730 yes, understandably so... but also understandable that someone in the comment section would leave a comment about it
I’ve known that song since I was 2… my Dad was a US Marine!
They haven't seen enough Bugs Bunny cartoons.
The U.S.S. Constitution is the oldest commissioned warship in the world, and is one of the vessels that was built to fight pirates.
Actually it is the Second oldest. HMS Victory is still in commission. However the USS Constitution is the oldest commissioned warship still able to move under her own power. Victory is in permanent drydock.
@@phildicks4721 Thank you for sharing. I had thought that there was a British warship that was older, but didn't remember the name to find out if she was a commissioned warship or not.
@@Aurleiskey word is commissioned, the USS Constitution is still an active warship, as it hasn't been decommissioned, it's still active...
Oldest sailing ship is star of India, but it's not a commissioned naval ship...@@Aurleis
The USS Constitution is the oldest commissioned warship still afloat. The HMS Victory is the oldest commissioned warship, but it's dry docked.
Every Marine learns these stories in Basic Training. After my first tour in Vietnam I returned to the Marine Corps Recruit Depot (MCRD) in San Diego, Calif. where I instructed Marine Recruits and permanent personnel. I taught 15 different subjects during this 4 year posting before returning to my 2nd tour in Vietnam
Tom Boyte
GySgt. USMC, retired
Vietnam 1965-66/1970-71
0331 Infantry Machine guns. 0369 Infantry Unit Leader
No soldier myself but have Vietnam vets in my family. Never talked much about their tours, the bit they did clearly stuck with them for life. While they're no longer around all i can do is thank you for your service as i would them if they were still here.
Yut! And indeed we do, even if moonless knows, or forgot, we never do, and we know the real numbers and what it cost us. In lost brothers.
Love you crayon eating Devil Dogs, thank you for your service.
Thank you for your service.
Semper Fi Gunny
"Hey Morocco, stop fucking around or you'll find out" "Understood, sorry sir."
"Wow, that actually worked? Sweet! Wonder if the next guys will be so cool?"
You'd think the rest of the world would look at that and go, "gee, maybe we should do that instead." Especiall after what Decatur went on to do. That guy was savage. And then to just sail into an enemy port with a whole mess of gun boats, put the whole city under direct threat of extreme Naval bombardment and lay down the law... the man was insane. And you know they were looking at him and thinking, "he may actually be insane enough to do that."
The politician who negotiated with the pirates without permission is the start of the saying in the US military, "Get the job done before the politicians f*ck it all up," which was also what a general of the US said when the first Gulf War kicked off.
Of course. But here's a thought. Maybe it would be a good idea for politicians to get involved.
For those playing the home game, Saudi Arabia indeed has nuclear weapons.
It's extremely hard to invade a country that has a nuke. Which is why we didn't do shit after September 11th. You know, when a Saudi Prince and a majority of Saudi men took over airlines and changed our entire world history.
Who did we blame? "Al-Qaida" And we sent 3,000+ men and women to die invading countries that had nothing to do with said event.
I'm not saying intervention in those countries wasn't needed. But I will reiterate. THEY DIDNT DO ANYTHING. At least when the 9/11 attacks are concerned.
Welcome to the realization that what TFE/Nick said about using a warlords brother to overthrow him finally makes sense.
Any of you Operation Iraqi Freedom vets feel free to chime in as to why you got sent there in the first place.
You played in the sand...For what? Why did you go there? Following orders is one thing.
But playing in the sand and dealing with all of that, all of the resistance.
WHY???
The fact that even the Brits understand just what a cardinal sin it was the desecrate our flag says something.
Thank you!
Of course.. where do you think we learned it from?
yet we have liberals stomping on it and burning it. sad
If you havent seen it yet, Seal Team Rescue of Jessica Buchanan. Youll learn how we despised dealing with terrorists so much we spent over $100m to rescue an american from pirates rather than pay a like $40m ransom.
Yeah, until Joe Biden came along and traded the world's number one arms salesman for a wnba player...
I think we also helped North Korea from pirates, but I only heard about it so I don’t know if it’s true or not
All the stories that he tells are true. Most are written in history books and/or original documents kept in the Library of Congress.
John Adams and Thomas Jefferson were the best of friends until they started to disagree over polices, so they stopped talking until later on in life the made up, writing to each other until they died and they both died on the 4th of July independence day.
*exactly 50 years after 1776.
I was going to say that, same day, same year
The last recorded words of John Adams were, "Thomas Jefferson still survives". He, in Massachusetts, had no way of knowing that Thomas Jefferson had died in distant Virginia earlier that day.
I'd also argue that Thomas Jefferson's best friend was Meriwether Lewis. The same Lewis of the Lewis and Clark expedition. Lewis lived in the White House with Jefferson for a few years. They were really close friends and Jefferson picked him to lead the Corp of Discovery because he admired Lewis so much.
I don't think nor believe they had best friends back then. That's a new concept. Friends were distant because of travel and communication and were rarely seen in person in most of the country.
It was actually the War of 1812 when The Star Spangled Banner that later became our national anthem was written.
The sad part is most of the sailors were sold as slaves during the war of 1812. They were never recorded. How many husbands and fathers never came home. To remain forever a prisoner of war.
Stephen Decatur was an OG. Dude was no joke. All these dudes rep'd the Marines and the new US as a country you can't sleep on.
Decatur had so many towns named after him because of the gangster shit he did for the Navy and to set the tone of "don't touch our boats!"
i remember few names from history when i was younger. stephen decatur was one them. dude was awesome.
You'd be surprised how many times America has had smaller numbers and still win
We definitely prefer a challenge even if we have to create that challenge ourselves 😂😅
That's because we're all just slightly crazy enough to do what anyone else wouldn't.
True, but if course the same is true for the British as well, and many of the things that enable us in the US to do it are things we got from the British military tradition. The big difference is that the independence that they give to their lieutenants, we carry a step further down to sergeants. Our officers on the ground have the ability to take initiative.
Marines would just call that a "target-rich environment"
@@Twinspinner "Means more bugs for us to kill."
in the 1700s the US only had 13 colonies, the UK had basically half the world under its rule
Brilliant video y'all, I'm 72 and know this story from school, they don't teach this anymore n America. Thank y'all so much for putting it out there for new generation. Freedom is not Free. 🇺🇸❤️👍
I'm a American and its Sad that our younger generation has no clue what America 🇺🇸 is our what our founding Fathers fought for.
You could’ve used better words because I’m 21 and I know America almost inside out.
@@GreenBeamzzz Your Right and I am sorry.
Green.P3
We are friends and I hope someday you will come here. 😉👍❤️❤️❤️
At least they want to learn now. I’m trying to look at the positive. 🤷♀️
These stories would not only have been something passed down to relatives, but these would also have been recorded by the US military and archived as historic records.
I bet Morocco was very happy to have made that treaty 😂
Yeah 😂
The revolutionary war. UK had 900k soldiers fight. Americans had 180-200k soldiers it was really lopsided
It was really lopsided for the UK
But the Americans were used to the terrain and hardships, though most had never been ten miles from home. The British were way out of their element
Uh more like 50k Soldiers from the UK in North America at the time... where did you read 900k???
There were a lot of Colonists who were Tories and fought for the King . Sometimes it became brother against brother and father versus son . This resulted in thousands of Americans immigrating North to Canada . The Patriot forces never had more numbers of soldiers , but their support from France changed the game at Yorktown Virginia .
@@victorwaddell6530 The US had more soldiers than the British did. But Yes many civilians went North but did not fight until the US tried to invade. 50k Troops are what they help the New World with and that at it's peak.
"Do not mess with America's boats.
... Especially if they happen to be named 'Enterprise'."
Or contain a bunch of rednecks
"It says here in this history book that luckily, the good guys have won every single time. What are the odds?” -Norm MacDonald
I found a really good book detailing the commissioning, building, and service of these first ships of the United States Navy named "Six Frigates" and I cannot recommend it enough. Wild ride.
America is also pretty decent at recording the insanity that we do, because the precedent was set early on that Americans do Wild Things for the sake of whatever cause boiled our blood, and there has to be documentation somewhere about it. Lots of documentation. In triplicate.
The Fat Electrician RUclips channel is a great place to be entertained while learning about little known history.
History is repeating itself. The Barbary wars can easily be compared to the current situation with the Houthi Rebels in the Red Sea
The Houthis have made their position clear. The attacks on ships supplying Israel's gencide will stop when Israel stops the genocide. The Houthis have explained that Yemen is a signatory to the Convention Against Genocide. (As are the US, UK). As a signatory, they're *obligated* to take measures to stop g-cide. You may disagree with the measures they've taken. But misstating their position indicates that you're not presenting an honest argument.
@@cygnusx-3217 One issue with that argument... Israel is not committing genocide. But you know who want to commit a genocide and actually attempted to do so? Hamas. Why didn't the Houthis do anything when Hamas massacred 1200 people on Oct. 7th?
@@cygnusx-3217 The Houthis position will soon be permanently horizontal if they don't stop screwing around, lobbing Iranian weapons at anything that moves.
History has already repeated.. we are paying multiple bad actors countries as extortion. This has been going on for decades.
@@cygnusx-3217what are you talking about? 😂😂😂😂😂 Hamas started the war then danced in the streets. Guess it's not funny when illegal occupiers called Palestine blood is flowing from the river to the sea 😂😂😂😂😂. No peace until all hostages freed
Check out the Lakota Sioux, the Commanche and the Apache Native Americans. you will be impressed.
Interesting fact: Many Native Hawaiians from the Kingdom of Hawaii were recruited to aid US Navy and Marines during the early pirate hunting expeditions.
For every story like this you hear, there’s a thousand that have been lost to the ages. This is why recording history is so important.
According to two separate sites I used to calculate how much 225,000 dollars from 1801 is worth today I get $5,497,901.57. And remember thats in addition to whatever the original tribute was.
check your timeline, we won our independence in 1775 the Civil war was in 1860
There is still original written documents from that time. They all kept Journal's back then. Very interesting things!
If there's one thing the US Military has always been exceptionally good at it's keeping records. It would take a lifetime to read all the stories of legendary Americans that are just sitting in the Library of Congress.
Not to flex but the British Empire did indeed were defeated by a ragtag army of whiskey drinkin, tobacco farmin, woodsmen that were extremely pissed 😂
You've got to wonder whether Stephen Decatur didn't really care about pirates at all he was just pissed off to have to keep sailing back and forth across the Atlantic. 😉
"Why did he do that?"
Because he was a glory-seeking bureaucrat working with the Department of State.
The State Department has always been the bane of those of us who plan/conduct military and special operations. This is from State's irritating desire to hold diplomacy as the goal rather than success of the mission.
You should watch Angry veteran tells 700 red coats to get off his lawn
Samuel Whitmore is one of the most underrated American Revolutionaries.
How do we battle in the desert? See Desert Storm, Operation Freedom, etc... Or check the battles from World War 2 in parts of the deserts in Africa.
The names of various currencies back in those days were references to a specific weight of a chosen metal (usually silver or gold). The US Dollar back then was defined as 371.25 grains (24.057 g) (0.7735 troy ounces) of fine silver while the UK Pound Sterling was quite literally a pound of Sterling Silver (240 pence divided into 20 shillings so 12 pence per shilling). Since the names are definitions of an amount by weight that meant it took 18.85 dollars to make a pound (I'm oversimplifying a bit because the US used fine silver while the UK used Sterling silver so the actual exchange ratio would be different based on the differences in the metal). Anyways, going off of silver prices as of today of $28.36 per troy ounce, that means an OG US Dollar would be worth $21.94 today. So that extra $225,000 surcharge demanded from Jefferson would be a tribute hike of $4,935,705.50 at today's silver rates. And this is in an era where an average workman would earn a wage of $65 per year ($1,425.87 today). That was a LOT of money being demanded and I'm guessing that "temporary" penalty wouldn't be so temporary.
its called a "Protection Racket." The mobster tells the store owner to pay the mobster money every week so the mobster won't break the store owner's leg.
I'm 56 and grew up on stories like this. At one time they used to teach us in school stories like this. Afraid they don't do that anymore. Not just military stories either as I will always remember the old tribal story of the princess and rabbit on the moon.
Stephen Decatur! That's who my city (Decatur, Illinois) was named after... We even have a Stephen Decatur school (middle school now, was a high school for a long time). He, along with Abraham Lincoln (who had a cabin near here before he went to Springfield) are the most talked and taught about and praised U.S. leaders in our area.
Stephen Decatur is a legend in American naval history. Dude was a boss, and was ruthless.
As an FYI, you can tour Decatur's house if you vosit Washington, D.C.
It is only a few blocks from the White House.
Actually the U.S. and U.K. had big beef for the longest time lol we really only started to get along around WWI (or was it WWII?… it was one of the WW’s)
I was a love-hate relationship that only firmly entered the later during WWI.
What was crazy was all of Europe were just paying the Barbary states. It wasn't until the USA defeated them that England, Spain, and all the rest decided to stop being punked & "stand on business" with them. Lol
The story is don’t mess with Marines
The British soldiers marched in a line out in the wide open while the country farmers fought like they were hunting deer or turkeys. British soldiers wouldn't break away from the style of battle they were trained to do. Kentucky long rifles were acute from hundreds of yards away and British soldiers were taught to wait until they could see the whites of their enemies eyes
Funnily enough the US does have a special forces unit that specializes in having rebel forces fight against a ruling dictator. Lmao
Congrats on getting the joke.
At 17:45, love the sarcasm and foreshadowing of America's tendency to achieve foreign policy aims through proxy wars.
He made them offers they could not refuse......probably a tip from the Sicilians!...ala The Godfather.
It does sound like a fantasy story when you say this one guy jumped on the boat and started killing thirty pirates. But it's not an exaggeration, and it does have an explanation.
The explanation is, lots of people jumped on lots of boats. But we don't tell stories about the ones that just got killed. The winners are the only ones who get stories.
To be fair about our revolutionary war, we had a standing army augmented by militias as well as financial, materiel, and manpower help from France. We didn’t do it alone. I love my country for what we achieved, but we weren’t just a bunch of farmers.
oh bless her heart 🤐
There are two rules the world needs to abide by and that is don’t touch our flag and most importantly DON’T TOUCH OUR FUCKING BOATS/SHIPS other wise don’t expect mercy cause we have nun to give only the god himself has both compassion and mercy and we ain’t him but we’ll sure send you to him hence the term “lay them to waste and let god sort them out” 🤷🏽♂️ personally I feel like that’s a fair deal no?
The journals and logs of many of these adventures can be found at the USS Constitution Museum in Boston, MA.
We were English back then before the revolutionary war. That's why we were called colonist. We were People from England that came over and colonized America. Then we had the revolutionary war in 1776 and became our own country. That's why we referred to Britain as the mother country. We got tired of being taxed by the good old King. We pushed back . Then the king tried to take our powder and our guns and disarm us. And we said hell no kick their ass and then we became America. Lol
You must remember that communications took weeks. Negotiations were taking place while the attack was being planned and undertaken.
The Navy was founded to protect the country and shipping.
The marines were founded to fight the Barbary fight pirates.
The cause of The war of 1812, had a lot more to do with the Napoleonic wars than with pirates. The war with Napoleon was causing a people shortage, in The Royal Navy, which lead them to stop and board American ships, so they could press American sailors to serve, in The Royal Navy. This was one of the causes, anyway. Madison rewarded any commercial American vessels, that captured and pilfered English ships. Causing one London newspaper to refer to the city of Baltimore as a den of pirates. This is why Baltimore was the British army's objective, after they burned down the White House. A storm kicked up and put out most the fires, in the capital. That storm also formed a tornado, I shit you not. The tornado scattered the British army, temporarily. The War of 1812 is fun to study.
The city of Baltimore later had a riot when in 1883 Union soldiers marched through town disturbing the pro-Confederacy contingent amongst the population. From this the city earned the nickname, "Mobtown." It was only after Baltimore's crime became such a big issue in the 1990s that they tried to change the name to a long series of schmaltzy alternatives. I was always partial to "Mobtown."
I was always partial to “Baltimorons” as a nickname, and I’m from Maryland.
@@JohnWilson-zh3il Yeah, that one is popular in Baltimore, as well.
@@JohnWilson-zh3il lol Well, during the War of 1812, they were baltimarvelous... "and our flag was still there"
I'm American and I just wanna point out that the French played a major role in the US gaining independence as the Continental Navy (the navy before the US Navy) had zero chance against the British Navy, so removing the British blockades would've been next to impossible without the French Navy. French soldiers also helped train the American colonial militias. Also, it was the Treaty of Paris that saw the US come into existence in 1783 and be officially recognized by the French and the British. The US wouldn't become a major player on the world stage until at least WW1. I don't even think they kept a standing army during peace time before then.
ok, disclaimer, i am an American, so when i say that i love this story.. i am Biased. but i absolutely love watching people from other countries reacting to this story. The Fat Electrician is an amazing story teller. yes he embellishes some things for dramatic effect, but it is always obvious when he does it and it is always backed up by facts. Education while entertaining.. beautiful. thanks for your video as well. this was great.
"Tattered Ensign" is a brilliant novel detailing the history of the USS Constitution, up to the '60's..... IIRC.
"Where did they get these Greek mercenaries?"
Bruv, Greeks are always down for the party. Little pay, tons of risk, bit of trolling along the way? Where do we sign up?
We fought in a desert. Secret to success: hydrate and replace your salts
Things like this speckle all through history. If it was made into a movie no one would believe it.
Reminds me of Agincourt, The 300 Spartans, Audie Murphy, Sgt York....
Most all nations keep logs from military leaders then place hem in National Museums.
A quick note - at the time, Algiers, Tunis and Tripoli were city-states and not yet independent countries. That happened much, much later.
Don't try to talk facts with retards like this
Their are Government Archives that have copies of Jeffersons lletters and Decaturs etc.
That 200k then would be 8.5 million today. More or less. (figures est. via price of bread in 1800s compared to current price, its actually a pretty stable price over the years.)
@21:12 it is believable, there was barely any gun tech then lol no rifling hell, blackbeard would light fires in his hair to startle enemy, and look up Miyamoto Mushashi
Decatur had at least 10 towns named after him on the East Coast of the US alone... I'm pretty sure there's one on the West Coast too... He was an ABSOLUTE GANGSTER.
Actually, the US Marines were joined by the Swedish Navy in the battle at Tripoli.
not going through all the comments, but the Civil War came after the Revolutionary war. Just using major wars, the list goes like this Revolutionary War, then the American-Algerian War which lead up to the Barbary Pirates which is what The Fat Electrician is talking about basically, War of 1812, then another Barbary Pirate war shortly after, then the Civil War.
However you are correct that there were only farmers and other common folk that made up the Army on the American Side. So it was close to 100 years between the Revolutionary War and the Civil War. Another reason why we did pretty good was we did not fight the same way the British did. We learned Guerilla warfare from the Native Tribes basically and we used times when Armies were suppose to be resting for holidays as a time to strike.
The best calculator I have found so far, starting at 1800 converting to 2024: $225,000 dollars converts to $5.5 million. 1 USD then is approximately 24.80 USD today. So basically "above and beyond whatever you're currently paying me, I want an extra 5.5 million dollars because "you are now the leader of your nation"
The treaty the diplomat made was technically impossible for the "pirate king" to abide by in 1807, since it promised the return of the USS Philadelphia as one of the terms, and by the time it was signed, the USS Philadelphia had already been completely burned into wreckage and then lay at the bottom of the ocean.
The Barbary Pirates go way back. I recall a story about them attacking Italy after the 1490s.
The American Revolution by Oversimplified
We had the civil war 80 years after the revolution. We were armed because of the French Indian war, and to protect ourselves in the wilderness. Soo, when the brits got pushy we kicked them out and became our own country. We built the Navy to protect our ships.
The history of Tripoli, and so forth, is memorialized in United States Marine Hall of Fame
MARINE CORP. Anthem, " From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli ". They are our ARMOR! Semper Phi🎉
The story of the US Navy and piracy didn't end in the early part of the 1800s because over 200 years later, Somali Pirates started doing the same thing. Shipping companies had made an unspoken deal with them that their crews wouldn't fight back as long as the pirates didn't kill them and ransomed them off instead along with their ships. Maersk Alabama with an American crew was then boarded by pirates--for the first time in two centuries--but the crew fought back wounding one of them. While most of the crew had locked themselves in a storage room, they did so after disconnecting the steering gear, shutting down the boilers and sending out a distress signal. The US Navy then went into action sending ships to confront the pirates. The pirates eventually fled in a life boat with the ship's captain held hostage. One of the US Navy ships ended up placing snipers on board to take care of the problem. From there they were able to get a thermal image of the pirates inside the covered life boat and killed all of them with head shots. This started an international effort organized by the US to rid the horn of Africa of piracy, which in the end was successful.
Moral of the story: the US doesn't like pirates.
Dude, yer ol' lady is smokin'
Get it, getit- go go!!!!
Where this narrative is so unfair is that he essentially puts down John Adams and props up Jefferson. What isn't mentioned is that Jefferson opposed the construction of a blue water, global sailing navy and wanted to build really cheap rowing galleys useful only near the coast. Adams, on the other hand, was a major proponent of building a true navy. Without Adams, Jefferson couldn't have done a thing.
Paying off the pirates to leave them alone is like the mob selling insurance to shops and businesses so they would be left alone.
Morocco was the first country to recognize America as an independent nation.
As someone who has fought a war in the desert I can in fact confirm that it sucks.
Yall should react to oversimplified US civil war and also revolution. Good video's in the same grain of most of your recent stuff
There seems to be a huge misconception about who the “Americans” in America during the time it was colonised. Unlike other countries where the British Empire has colonised, the colonists in America were British citizens (and other things) that moved over to the “New World” after news came out about it. The only Americans that were actually American at that time were the Native Americans (Indians) and they were not even part colony, they were their own separate entity. All colonists were British citizens that moved over to the new world to get a fresh start.
Did he maybe just explain why large chain stores really don't stop shop lifters, it encourages shoplifting at smaller stores as well and helps run them out of business?
I served with the double great grandson of Steven Decatur in 5th SF. You can tell they’re built different
During the war, the U.S.S. Constitution was introduced to the world. And she was glorious.
Hello from America. The great state of Ohio. Just found your channel and enjoy you 2 immensely. Am quite amazed you are so into America. I am intrigued by Britain.
The "protection" racket is as old as the hills in the UK as well as the US. The Barbary pirates were just doing it on a national scale.
That was a particularly satisfying episode, but may I say because one of you is gorgeous I would watch the two of you watching a box of cereal!
The UK is our mother country. Of course we love y’all. It would be hard to break that alliance.
I should point out that Fort Sumter, while not being a boat, is on a tiny island. In short, don't even come close to messing with America's boats.
For the first 50 years america was a country Britain and US had a love/hate relationship. After america beat them in MULTIPLE wars did UK devide to play nice
Lucky bastard got him a dime frfr she's drop dead gorgeous
Some more info on this subject:
White Slavery
Why USS Constitution is important…
Slavery forbidden in 1800.
Here is another presentation about these subjects:
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Regards
The US has special warfare schools. Artic, desert, jungle as well as urban warfare.
yep you can just hit the arrow left key rewinds 5 seconds