@@watchartsci Gronefeld watches are very nice but they are overpriced. I know what you are going to say because you had already said it which was they put it a lot of time in their craftsmanship. I agree with you but it doesn't mean Gronefeld can charge anything they want. Sure enough they are fully booked but again they are overpriced.
Hi Bill sir very very interesting today ,we in Europe have heard of Moritz Grossman for a while now. What most of us know is they are new very top drawer very beautiful and of course very expensive. I've gotten more info today from you than I've heard from other collectors here.once I saw the price tags I didn't dig to deep.If I had the cash I'd love to get one as I think they will continue on the path to greatness.Thanks sir see you sunday.👍
Hey Paul!! Thanks man!! Moritz Grossmann is in a niche between Glashütte Original and A. Lange & Söhn....learning toward the AL&S side. All of their movements are relatively simple but with key elements that nudge them into high horology, such as the screw index adjuster, the winder-pusher mechanism, flying tourbillon, and similar touches like the 2/3 and 3/5 plates for better movement viewing through the exhibition window. They've eased back their entry level to a little under $12k for their TEFNUT Pure watches, but those are stainless steel and really don't compete with the great Habring2 watches with manufactured movements in stainless steel for half that price. I think MG could attract a lot of customers looking for high quality watches with manufactured movements if they used a simple elegant dial with any of their movements for under 8CHF; the Petite Aiguille category in the GPHG. I'd love to get one in those circumstances! Kindest regards, Bill
Yes, a nice 37mm option in steel with a simple dial would be lovely. I like the general style of the movement in the Atum Pure, and at the price you suggest, just simple and clean would do fine. @@watchartsci
Bill, just for your info about the 4 o’clock pusher on the watch that is wound via the wstchstrsp at 6 o’clock: ”Since the strap winder gear ratio is not suitable for handsetting, the winding and setting functions were separated in the TEFNUT Twist. As usual, the hands are set with the crown, which in this case is in the less exposed 4 o'clock position.”
Again Erik, I'm really flubbing up today! I watched Christine Hutter demonstrate it but since the bar lugs on the top and bottom are identical, I didn't know whether the winder was at 6 or 12! (By the way in the previous video, there's a sub-video or Christine winding the Tefnut Twist--one of my favorite features on MG watches!!!) Thank you once again!!! Cheers, Bill
WatchArtSci Bill Mate what do you think of the Ball watch company, I lately have fallen in love with there movements and designs and they have a pretty good link to the United States Railway. Any thoughts Cheers Graeme
Some of the Ball watches I like a lot like the Trainmaster Standard Time, but the caliber RR 1105C has an ETA base of 2895-2. If you don't mind leaving Swiss watches, you might find the Corps of Engineers-151 by RGM (also with an ETA base) to be a watch you'd like. www.rgmwatches.com/151coe/ Kindest regards, Bill
WatchArtSci You are spot on, what a brand ( never heard of them before in Australia) time for me to do some more research. How I love horology and not having deep enough pockets Lol. Bill thank you for my new study period. Cheers Mate 👍🇦🇺👍
Hi Klaus, I like both companies, but I'd probably give H. Moser the edge in that Precision Engineering AG, which is the movement maker at H. Moser produces not only movements but developed a niobium-titanium hairspring that is used by many of the top watch companies, including MB&F. (Moser produces about 2,000± watches annually, but 50,000 hairsprings, which tells you something about the value of the hairsprings accorded to them by the very best watchmakers.) Having said that, Moritz Grossmann are no slackers, and their new Atum Hamatic, which is their first automatic uses a hammer instead of a rotor is right up there with the best-but at $40,000 + it and a lot of the MG watches are out of reach. Like H. Moser, the pre-owned market (or secondary market for NOS) is the best place to look. Cheers, Bill
Thanks Bill. The major drawback besides the high price for the Dato MG is the limited Power reserve of only 46 h! I like the thought of winding my watches but not every day... The Moser Big Date power reserve is up to 10 days with a minimum of 7! This is actually a complication in it self!? I like the MG “new” hammer auto, makes a great conversation pice.
Erik, you're right. I forgot about Nomos. In fact, I didn't realize that Nomos was even in Glashütte until after I finished the video. I knew that someone would spot it and make the correction here. Thank you! Kindest regards, Bill
One frm George Daniels watches. It had time and side real etc. Not even sure what those times are but apparently was able to be set from stars, the time. Just was cool watch I think.
Thanks, Bill. I am beginning to like this brand.
They are very expensive, but great watch. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci Their gold watches are still cheaper than Gronefeld steel watches.
@@eugenejohnson7755 I can't afford Grönefeld watches either!! But I still like them!!
@@watchartsci Gronefeld watches are very nice but they are overpriced. I know what you are going to say because you had already said it which was they put it a lot of time in their craftsmanship. I agree with you but it doesn't mean Gronefeld can charge anything they want. Sure enough they are fully booked but again they are overpriced.
Thanks for the video. Amazing to see the work MG, exceptional.
Clean and simple designs with excellent movements, Yokumato. Take care, Bill
Thanks Bill. Beautiful - art and horology together!
Hey SWC!! Thanks man! They certainly seem to be doing everything right...well maybe except pricing them at a point I can afford! Cheers, Bill
Violet Screws, Beveled gears, hand engraved markings, and case fitting movements. These MG watches have the elements of Exceptional Horology.
Hi Terminal...just really excellent HH. MG has a couple of base movements upon which the others are based. Take care, Bill
I like these - saw them by chance on a specialist watch seller's shop website. Intrigued me so reading as much as I can now!
Hi Malthus, I agree, some very unique touches that are added that were actually practiced by their namesake-Moritz Grossmann. Kindest regards, Bill
Hi Bill sir very very interesting today ,we in Europe have heard of Moritz Grossman for a while now. What most of us know is they are new very top drawer very beautiful and of course very expensive. I've gotten more info today from you than I've heard from other collectors here.once I saw the price tags I didn't dig to deep.If I had the cash I'd love to get one as I think they will continue on the path to greatness.Thanks sir see you sunday.👍
Hey Paul!! Thanks man!! Moritz Grossmann is in a niche between Glashütte Original and A. Lange & Söhn....learning toward the AL&S side. All of their movements are relatively simple but with key elements that nudge them into high horology, such as the screw index adjuster, the winder-pusher mechanism, flying tourbillon, and similar touches like the 2/3 and 3/5 plates for better movement viewing through the exhibition window. They've eased back their entry level to a little under $12k for their TEFNUT Pure watches, but those are stainless steel and really don't compete with the great Habring2 watches with manufactured movements in stainless steel for half that price. I think MG could attract a lot of customers looking for high quality watches with manufactured movements if they used a simple elegant dial with any of their movements for under 8CHF; the Petite Aiguille category in the GPHG. I'd love to get one in those circumstances! Kindest regards, Bill
Yes, a nice 37mm option in steel with a simple dial would be lovely. I like the general style of the movement in the Atum Pure, and at the price you suggest, just simple and clean would do fine. @@watchartsci
That index adjuster 😍😍😍 Great video as always Bill
Hey Time Talk!! Thanks man! That index adjuster is a precision I'm surprised isn't in more HH watches! Cheers, Bill
Bill, just for your info about the 4 o’clock pusher on the watch that is wound via the wstchstrsp at 6 o’clock: ”Since the strap winder gear ratio is not suitable for handsetting, the winding and setting functions were separated in the TEFNUT Twist. As usual, the hands are set with the crown, which in this case is in the less exposed 4 o'clock position.”
Again Erik, I'm really flubbing up today! I watched Christine Hutter demonstrate it but since the bar lugs on the top and bottom are identical, I didn't know whether the winder was at 6 or 12! (By the way in the previous video, there's a sub-video or Christine winding the Tefnut Twist--one of my favorite features on MG watches!!!) Thank you once again!!! Cheers, Bill
Great video! thanks
Hey Galja, thanks man! Kindest regards, Bill
Looking sharp!
Hey Stuck in Kiev!!! Thanks man! Great to hear from you! Kindest regards, Bill
Thanks Mate loved it very educational.
Graeme, you are most welcome! Kindest regards, Bill
WatchArtSci Bill Mate what do you think of the Ball watch company, I lately have fallen in love with there movements and designs and they have a pretty good link to the United States Railway. Any thoughts Cheers Graeme
Some of the Ball watches I like a lot like the Trainmaster Standard Time, but the caliber RR 1105C has an ETA base of 2895-2. If you don't mind leaving Swiss watches, you might find the Corps of Engineers-151 by RGM (also with an ETA base) to be a watch you'd like. www.rgmwatches.com/151coe/ Kindest regards, Bill
WatchArtSci cheers Mate I'll give it a look
WatchArtSci You are spot on, what a brand ( never heard of them before in Australia) time for me to do some more research. How I love horology and not having deep enough pockets Lol. Bill thank you for my new study period. Cheers Mate 👍🇦🇺👍
Hi Bill, where would you place MG compared to the high-end Moser?
Hi Klaus, I like both companies, but I'd probably give H. Moser the edge in that Precision Engineering AG, which is the movement maker at H. Moser produces not only movements but developed a niobium-titanium hairspring that is used by many of the top watch companies, including MB&F. (Moser produces about 2,000± watches annually, but 50,000 hairsprings, which tells you something about the value of the hairsprings accorded to them by the very best watchmakers.) Having said that, Moritz Grossmann are no slackers, and their new Atum Hamatic, which is their first automatic uses a hammer instead of a rotor is right up there with the best-but at $40,000 + it and a lot of the MG watches are out of reach. Like H. Moser, the pre-owned market (or secondary market for NOS) is the best place to look. Cheers, Bill
Thanks Bill. The major drawback besides the high price for the Dato MG is the limited Power reserve of only 46 h! I like the thought of winding my watches but not every day... The Moser Big Date power reserve is up to 10 days with a minimum of 7! This is actually a complication in it self!? I like the MG “new” hammer auto, makes a great conversation pice.
Sorry Bill but Moritz Grossman is NOT the only independent watchmaker in Glashütte. Another well known brand from that town since 1990 is ... Nomos.
Erik, you're right. I forgot about Nomos. In fact, I didn't realize that Nomos was even in Glashütte until after I finished the video. I knew that someone would spot it and make the correction here. Thank you! Kindest regards, Bill
WatchArtSci you know me :-)
wish someone would do a replica of the space traveler's watch.
What Space Traveler's watch do you mean? Thanks, Bill
One frm George Daniels watches. It had time and side real etc. Not even sure what those times are but apparently was able to be set from stars, the time. Just was cool watch I think.
Ok, I see now. What a great idea! Maybe Roger Smith or F.P. Journe would do one... I couldn't afford it, but it'd be cool! Cheers, Bill
Its so expensive mor than patek
Hi Ezzat! Indeed some are, but other Patek Philippes watches are over the moon!! Cheers, Bill