As someone who watched Penix play every week for the last 2 years, have fun with that controversy in Atlanta when he shows up and outplays Cousins in practice and training camp
yup. You know what's going to happen in spring practice: MPJ will start dropping those easy to catch tight spiral 50 yard handoff passes to the receivers and the offensive players will be sold.
The part I don’t get is you have to take the combination. Cousin’s will start for at least two years because of the guaranteed money on the contract. So lets say he only starts two. Then you have 3 years to decide on penix for his rookie deal that he will be 26 before he starts on and 29 before the rookie deal is up. The 4 and 5 year contracts overlapping totally screws this up This is a failure from the gm from a cap and roster management decision at the least. Either cousins works out and you forefit the benefit of penix on a rookie deal or penix works out and you forefit the benefits of the rookie deal in dead money to cousins. Either way the roster and cap situation loses….
As a Niners fan, it feels like Arthur Blank is doing what Jerry Jones refuses to do: go all in and try anything to win! If Kirk doesn’t work, this looks like a really nice backup plan to have! ❤
That's not what all in is supposed to mean 😅 I take it as, take the team we have, spend as much money as we can, and make the team as good as possible for one or 2 years.. not sign 2 QB's that don't compliment each other in any way
Going all in would have been: spending $ on free agents for weapons to go with your new QB, Michael Penix, and using your other draft picks to compliment him as well - or, using all your draft picks to get weapons for Kirk Cousins, and seeing what kind of winning season you can put together during his time in Atlanta - you CANNOT DO BOTH, and say you're "going all in" that's the opposite lol. That's having one foot in, and one foot out.
People really acting slow about this like the 180 came out their paycheck. It’s common sense, Kirk is getting paid to ball out for two years and help develop Penix to lead the team. After two years Kirk contract will be reconstructed. After that his main concern is to ride out into retirement. The best QBs in the game sat behind great vet QBs for a few years until they were ready.
“we won’t be picking this high again for a while” - That’s what Scott Fitterer said to justify trading up for Bryce Young . Then he went 2-15 and got fired.
@@2chin4uand they gave away their best player on offense in a trade and left Bryce young with old Adam theilen as WR1 and the worst oline in the NFL. 😂
First off, Penix is a BEAST. Second, they HAD to sign Kirk. They couldn’t go into a season banking on the fact that their QB would be there in the draft.
Nope you can't ever have enough qb depth it's the most important position in sports, well probably goalie considering you can't even play hockey or soccer without one but anyways the falcons got a young talented quarterback that's always a good thing.
Because they don’t have a crystal ball and can see into the future. You can’t make your free agency decisions based off what you might do in the draft because you don’t know how the draft will play out and if you’ll be able to get the guy your want. The freak out over this pick has been so overblown.
@@chitown1057 his last major injury was THREE YEARS AGO! He has played two straight seasons with no injury issues and balled out both season. It’s football, everyone gets hurt eventually! So he won’t start till he’s 27? Ok. Kirk Cousins is in his late 30’s and gonna be their starter this year. If Michael starts at 27 and has a career as long as Kirk Cousins then he’ll be a quality starter in the NFL for a DECADE! Y’all are acting like late 20s early 30’s isn’t a professional QBs athletic prime.
100 million guaranteed. If Cousins starts 3 season it's still expensive. If he starts 2 seasons it crazy expensive. If he starts only 1 year or less...ATL is dumb.
Truth is, quarterbacks that sit do better, especially when they're behind someone good, as Kirk is. I think people are overreacting to this. Love Dan - yet again, he makes that easy to understand.
The difference is Penix is a 24-year-old quarterback, not a 20-year-old quarterback. Penix is experienced and supposedly ready to start now. Penix is quickly approaching the prime of his career and you will be wasting some of his peak seasons sitting on the bench!
@@briannettles669wrong, QBs are playing into their late 30s n 40s. Flacco and Brady. I’m concerned a bit about his injuries but he played 2 seasons in a division full of dogs and came out healthy so.
Brady was a complete outlier. Most QBs (even hall of fame caliber guys) aren’t the same post 35. In fact, the recent “old QB switching teams for a new life” moves have only really worked with Brady. Rivers crashed and burned. Matt Ryan crashed and burned. Rodgers is TBD, but first season was a wash. Russell Wilson crashed and burned.
I think it just comes down to the fact that Atlanta assumed penix wouldn't fall to them so they went for cousins, but realistically feel like cousins is on a must win contract for the next two years otherwise penix will be stepping in to the starting position
I agree now that I have listened to the argument. They probably will not be this high up on the draft board again...here was a QB they love, and Kirk has now suffered a major injury. The only thing I wonder about is Penix sitting out for two years, that seems like a lot...but then again, Aaron Rodgers (the nutter) did it too.
Atlanta has capital in the most important position in the league. If it doesn't work out with cousins they can trade him comfortably. So no worries about contract. If he play well, then you have a young QB to deal in a QB hungry market. I like this move. But mostly because Penix is a good pick. The downside is Cousins no longer being all in.
Only time will tell but this reminds me of a typical business model study where the company has resently spent a significant amount on a machine and shortly is faced with the realization that a newer machine that just came out that is significanly more productive and can increase their profits by a significan amount but the recently acquired machine works perfectly well - what do you do? You look at the bottom line and if all the facts are correct, you replace the machine with the newer inovation and sell this less effecient machine to the highest bidder, even at a loss if this doesn't negatively affect the bottom line analysis. In Atlanta's eyes, Penix represents the more productive machine. This effectively makes Cousin a bridge QB, not what he was banking on.
I like the analogy, but in the Falcons case, you don't yet know if the newer machine really is better. You know it's newer, although it's broken down a few times and has been repaired, but lately it's been working well. You don't yet know if it can run at high speed and take a stressful load. You certainly hope it can, but until you actually run it at full production, you're just hoping.
I love the Pick. Most Falcons fans hated it but this is the most important position in Sports. I love that Falcons went from no QB to a Veteran Top 10 QB and a new young prospect
I can see in spring practice Penix dropping perfect back shoulder throws and 50 yard bombs with easy-to-catch tight spiral. Offensive players will undoubtedly be watching and will be sold.
@@erikmcneal6179 no doubt. At 1st I hated the pick and was all caught up in drafting an edge. After some time to think and hear experts I’m on board but not so sold on Penix sitting 3 years. Cousins had better be so good it would be insane to go to Penix. I like Penix character more than Cousins. Sure Cousins is a good guy but Penix comes across like he’d be more of a team player and fits into Atlanta better. Just my opinion
Either Penix is an insurance policy (dumb) or the Falcons drafted him to sit for 3-4 years (really dumb). In either case you don't spend the #8 pick in the draft like this!!!
If Kirk Cousins gets hurt then what? People who are hating on this pick are just pissed that it screwed up their draft boards! As Falcon fans, we have to get over it.
What was our 3 issues last year: Play Calling, QB Play and our front 7 got decimated. We literally addressed all of those. New coaches. We went out and got a starter at QB. Then in the draft one of our top 5 players fell to us so we took him. Then we draft 4 players in the front 7 who will help now. May not start but WILL be used. I dont understand they hate. This isnt madden. We had no idea Penix would be there. If he wasnt maybe we do go Turner, we stuck to OUR board and not the boards of the media outlets. Fin.
I understand why they picked HIM, i dont understand why they DIDNT pick a pass rusher. But now seeing Orlovsky agree with me makes me not feel so good about it 😂
They won 7 games with the old head coach. Didn't we just watch a 7 win team fire their coach, hire a new coach, fire him in his first year after winning 2 games. What you did with your last coach means nothing. It's a whole new regime now
So what Orlovsky is saying is that Fontenot, Morris and Blank all had bad recent experiences with not having a top level QB, and so collectively they used those experiences to panic and make one of the most bizarre draft choices anyone's ever seen....
this is also good for Raheem. He’s going to be there at least four years if Kirk doesn’t get hurt. He’s going to have two years to turn it around with what many consider to be a decent,solid quarterback, then ownership is more than likely going to give him a couple of years when it’s Penix’s time under center.
It might make sense if you look at the pick in a vacuum, but when you consider the money already spent for Cousins and who was still on the board it's insane. Took an injury-prone back up when Murphy, Odunze, Fashanu and a couple other instant difference makers were still available.
Kurt Cousins threw out the first pitch, Kurt Cousins said he wanted to retire there. The Falcons didnt throw out the first pitch. The Falcons didnt say they wanted Kurt to retire there. Not sure what is so hard for Rich to understand.
Morris and Fontenot spelled it out for all you “experts” at the press conference. They want to win NOW. And they will with Cousins. But they knew they would not be in this prime spot again so they invested in their QB future.
This is the same team that made a dumb choice of picking a tight end ahead of Jamarr Chase and picked a running back they did not need in the top ten when no competent NFL team drafts a running back in the top ten. Competent NFL front offices draft tight ends and running backs in the second and third rounds. They do not waste top-ten picks on tight ends and running backs. Now they used a top-ten pick on a backup quarterback! I have zero confidence that the Falcon's "brain trust" has any clue how to build a Super Bowl-contending team. I suspect the Falcons will be right back in the same place next season drafting yet another top-ten pick. Maybe they will waste a top-ten pick on a kicker or punter next year!
@@briannettles669 Sorry Brian but I disagree. The Falcons came down to the wire this past season with the shitty and inconsistent play behind center at QB. Now they have the vet QB for the short term and the rookie for the long term. You can say what you want but this team WILL win this division this season. They have a lot of good solid pieces on that roster. This is a page right out of Green Bay with Love being picked while Rodgers was still there. Sorry you can’t see it. The Falcons have had pure crap at the QB spot since Ryan left. And they still were in the conversation at the end. That all changes now. They’re built to win now.
@@paulthomas9911 Well Ridder is gone so there’s that rookie salary. Heinicke will stick so we already had his salary on the books. Woodside? His days are likely numbered so that salary is gone. Looks like we have our QB room.
@@rip8564people don't know the falcons team they just say what everyone else is saying I say stop coming over here talking about my team and go talk about your own crappy team
I love Penix and think he’s gonna be our franchise QB, so in 5 years I don’t think any of this will matter. My problem is that it feels like we’re just punting on the next 2 years and will be complacent with making the playoffs and that’s it.
literally everyone been arguing about how the falcons should have done what the raiders did. Raiders didnt overpay for cousins, they got a bridge qb so that when the draft came and they could pick their qb of the future no one talked shhhh about overpaying for cousins. Thats how you do it, sign less talented qbs and hope the future qb falls to you in the draft. nice to see dan finally explain how free agency works to rich,
People who are casual fans and never seen MPJ play will like the kid. I don’t have a problem with the pick. He will start sooner than people think. Kirk better be on his A game.
I went through the exact same thing Dan Orlovsky did; I was completely confused when the pick happened, slept on it, woke up in the morning still a little bit confused, then I started to understand why. This draft didn't really stick out defensively, which is why a defensive player didn't get picked until 15th which wasn't even the guy everyone had being the first defensive player off the board, so they decided to pick based off want instead of need. Everyone has a problem with Penix's age and being a little bit too old to be developed, but we gotta understand that 40 is the new 35 for the QB position. Quarterbacks are playing much longer and taking A LOT LESS hits. They probably plan on letting Penix sit behind Kirk for two years and then let him compete with Kirk for the starting position for the remainder of Kirk's contract. I'm still not the biggest fan of the move but I can understand it. My main problem is the fact they started that plan now instead of next year. I understand that no defensive player was worth a top 10 pick this year but the best decision was to trade back and take a chance on someone like Turner or Latu. If they don't work out oh well, at least we traded back and got a another draft pick in return. My ideal plan for the Falcons would've been; Let Kirk get a year under his belt to see if he's truly good enough to lead this talented team to a Superbowl. If not then trade up to draft Shedeur next year, because the Falcons aren't going to be bad enough to get a high enough pick to draft him. He's no where near the thrower of the football as Penix but you can't tell me two years under Kirk's guidance wouldn't help with that. He's still raw but the fact he's talented enough to warrant a top pick really shows he has the natural ability, he just needs a little bit of quarterback guidance, instead of that bs QB coaching he gets from his dad and Colorado. Then just re-up on Pitts, London, and Bijan before Shedeur's rookie contract ends. I personally do believe the Falcons pulled the trigger a little bit too early, but I guess only time will tell.
As you think about it its a right pick. I think everyone just want him in a position where he could start, I.E. the Raiders which i would have loved lol
Go look at cousins contract. Guaranteed money at 100M over two years is under the qb market for both calendar years. The second year of his contract Kirk wont even be amongst the top 10 highest paid quarterbacks. This is a brilliant move by the Atlanta falcons. And honestly the lack of r&d by most broadcasting professionals is astounding. Even rich, you are showing age here. Simply not accepting something because it hasn't been done before.
😊 I'm a long-term Falcons fan when this happened I was shocked I thought we were going to get arguably the best defender in the draft. I like what they've done now I am good with it let's go
If Penix get injured and out for the season. Then they all will say, he shouldn't have been drafted in 1st rd. So write the positive reviews names down and should penix get hurt ( hopefully not) see how the positive will become negative.
Orlovsky is missing one giant piece of critical info when he lists all these places that drafted the “next” QB. The phenomena is absolutely NOT new: he’s right. But in everywhere he listed, the “established” QB in the equation had been with that club for some time. It wasn’t somebody they went and wined and dined and SOLD on coming to their club weeks earlier. The PHILOSOPHY makes sense. This execution is beyond underhanded. It’s clear they did Kirk completely dirty and that management group is now gonna have a higher hurdle to clear with every contested free agent it tries to bring in. They are now on record being completely dishonest with a high profile free agent.
Let’s hear Rich’s brilliant plan for what the Falcons do at QB in 3 years ( max) for a QB. They won’t have a good draft pick between now and then, so, without Michael Penix they are right back into QB purgatory. The idea that not taking Dallas Turner somehow means they are abandoning a plan to “win now” Is stupid. They went 7-10 with frigging Desmond Ridder at qb and their current personnel on Defense. That same team with Cousins at QB wins 9 or 10 games easy. And, if they are one edge rusher short of winning the Super Bowl ( which is laughable but seems to be what is implied here) they can easily fill that need with the 20th pick ( or similar) next year. You know what need can’t be immediately addressed with the 15th or higher pick in the draft ? 3 guesses (and the first 2 don’t count)
When they signed Cousins they didn’t who would be on the board when they picked. Did not trade up for him but reacted to take what they believe is big value. Cousins could get injured at anytime. Competition makes people better. I support ATL decision 100%
Trouble is even if he beats out Kirk. You don't get the cap saving a rookie QB gives you. The lose if they beat him out. They lose if he doesn't because by the time he plays he's 27 and the rookie saving is about over. Not a bad QB to pick. Just a bad pick overall to make because of the insane money you just paid Kirk.
$100M g-money sounds a lot but it really isn't in today's NFL especially for starting QBs. That amount is basically middle of the road compared to other QB contracts. Yea it's going to suck for ATL if hey have to unload Cousins next year, but the hit isn't so bad. Also Cousins will likely have trade value so ATL might get something back.
If Kirk plays out his contract, penix will be 26-27 starting and 1 year left on his rookie contract. If the plan was drafting him, why pay Kirk and not a qb journeyman that he can learn from
Penix is already 24 years old and will not get a chance to play until he’s 27 years old. It’s like I’m going to get him so you don’t get him and use him against me ! The Pick made Zero Sense because you didn’t get any better with him on the Bench ! 😂
I like the pick, Kirk Cousins is 35 years old quarterback starting on a new team with a new offensive coordinator usually older quarterbacks do not transition well to a new offense and he's coming off surgery I give this Man 2 and 1/2 years left of good football before the decline starts rapidly having not everyone is Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. And if he gets hurt Within These two years they have a backup plan Terry Fontenot should be honored we're going against the mold
Does rich not understand ATL not have honking by they would be able to draft him at 8. I’m not sure where the confusion is. The draft didn’t go the way teams thought it would
I think it’s finally setting in to me that this whole Penix and Kirk Cousins thing, is the best series of decisions in franchise history. On draft night I thought Penix was an irreplaceable talent that happened to fall and they couldn’t pass. But after some thought, I’m pretty sure Penix was part of the plan all along and they realized they refuse to go the route of feed the rookie to the fire and start him year one. That is always a crap shoot, for every CJ Stroud there’s a Bryce Young. They also realized most rookies do not improve under poor bridge QBs, in fact in many ways they end up adopting many of their bad habits. So, how do you give your best shot of recreating a Mahomes situation, or a Rodgers or Love situation? You go pay Kirk. Now, you are a winning football team and you just so happened to get one of the best possible mentors for your franchise QB. It may just slip into genius territory, if it goes right.
What did Rodgers do after they drafted Love? MVP, MVP....Maybe they want to push Kirk to be his absolute best for the next few years and now Penix gets to learn, study, and be his best when he does get his shot. If he pans out, they could have elite QB play for the next 10 years. They have holes to fill, but QB hopefully shouldn't be one of them going forward. My best take.
Agree 💯. I think this will light 🔥 under Cousins and he'll ball out. Competition is good. If Cousins plays well and team wins a lot of games, keep rolling with him for 2 years. If Cousins stumbles or gets injured, then MPJ time. If Cousins keeps playing well, could trade Penix to a rebuilding team or team in need of a high ceiling cheap backup QB. I realize team spent $$$ on Cousins but having options at QB is a good thing. Steelers and Raiders would have killed for and paid a lot of $$/picks for Penix last year.
I’d get if you drafted JJ to sit because of his age. I just can’t get around on Penix being the guy. This just can’t end well. Plus the pressure it puts the locker room in if Cousins struggles and Penix looks great at practice.
I don't understand why all of these pundits are having such a difficult time with understanding this pick. Imagine the Falcon's don't draft a hot shot QB and Cousins takes them to the playoffs or beyond, are there QB's this caliber coming out next year? Imagine the Falcon's don't draft a QB this year and Cousins gets taken out and they are left with Heinke again. Arthur Blank AIN'T going for that. This seems to me to be a chess and not checkers move.
"They don't have to worry about QB until realistically, 2030" 🤔 Let's do the math on that, you have a 35-year-old Kirk Cousins coming off a very serious injury that you paid a king's ransom for, so then you draft Michael Penix, a 24-year-old rookie who's biggest knock is his history of serious season-ending injuries multiple times. 🤣
lets talk about about the NFL DRAFT crowds and TV Ratings VS NBA playoffs , the NBA DREAMS of getting HUGE crowds like that at their draft or the TV ratings the draft gets compared to NBA playoffs games WOW
They didn't try to make the team as good as they could for Cousins, and they didn't go out on a limb and get Penix hoping he'd be their solution.. they had one foot in and one foot out. Getting Cousins was a waste of money. If you want to have a few years to develop Penix before he plays, you don't really want to have an upper-mid record like you'll get with Cousins - and you could have used that money to get Penix future weapons.. it was a terrible decision to get them both, no matter how you look at it 😂 I can't believe some franchises decisions.. Panthers, Broncos, and now the Falcons.
As someone who watched Penix play every week for the last 2 years, have fun with that controversy in Atlanta when he shows up and outplays Cousins in practice and training camp
Shouldn't take much....
yup. You know what's going to happen in spring practice: MPJ will start dropping those easy to catch tight spiral 50 yard handoff passes to the receivers and the offensive players will be sold.
@@SupeDefyMPJ???
@@Keith_No_Sweat Mike Penix Jr. I mean all Washington fans know the initials. ATL fans will too. 👍
Exactly my thoughts. Hella expensive watching Cousins sit late next season.
This pick makes sense. The problem was paying an injured 36 year old QB all this money
Coming off a serious injury.
It would probably have been the better move to draft Penix at 8 then get Cousins for this contract. But you can't do both.
The bigger issue besides paying Cousins would be to fail to plan for his inevitable departure
All that tampering, just to draft a QB at 8. Who did Arthur Blank think was scrambling to sign an injured Kirk Cousins?
The part I don’t get is you have to take the combination. Cousin’s will start for at least two years because of the guaranteed money on the contract. So lets say he only starts two. Then you have 3 years to decide on penix for his rookie deal that he will be 26 before he starts on and 29 before the rookie deal is up. The 4 and 5 year contracts overlapping totally screws this up
This is a failure from the gm from a cap and roster management decision at the least. Either cousins works out and you forefit the benefit of penix on a rookie deal or penix works out and you forefit the benefits of the rookie deal in dead money to cousins. Either way the roster and cap situation loses….
As a falcons fan it is growing on me. Love the player , pick is growing
You have no choice. 😂
But is the expectation he’ll be the starter in 2/3 years?
As a Niners fan, it feels like Arthur Blank is doing what Jerry Jones refuses to do: go all in and try anything to win! If Kirk doesn’t work, this looks like a really nice backup plan to have! ❤
That's not what all in is supposed to mean 😅 I take it as, take the team we have, spend as much money as we can, and make the team as good as possible for one or 2 years.. not sign 2 QB's that don't compliment each other in any way
@@Frosty_tha_Snowman and NOT have #8 overall on the field making impact plays.
This is more like hedging your bets than going all in
Going all in would have been: spending $ on free agents for weapons to go with your new QB, Michael Penix, and using your other draft picks to compliment him as well - or, using all your draft picks to get weapons for Kirk Cousins, and seeing what kind of winning season you can put together during his time in Atlanta - you CANNOT DO BOTH, and say you're "going all in" that's the opposite lol. That's having one foot in, and one foot out.
It seemed like Arthur wasn’t aware of the pick until after it was called in. Which is crazy if true 🤷🏻♂️
This situation feels eerily similar to the Mahomes-Cheifs draft situation and the uproar that caused.
People really acting slow about this like the 180 came out their paycheck. It’s common sense, Kirk is getting paid to ball out for two years and help develop Penix to lead the team. After two years Kirk contract will be reconstructed. After that his main concern is to ride out into retirement. The best QBs in the game sat behind great vet QBs for a few years until they were ready.
“we won’t be picking this high again for a while” - That’s what Scott Fitterer said to justify trading up for Bryce Young . Then he went 2-15 and got fired.
Don’t compare my team with the panthers falcons last year was a QB away from making a playoff run. Panthers have nothing over there.
Carolina was terrible to begin with. Atl was considered a playoff team before the draft.
Agree, Panthers have more problems than most teams; to blame it all on the QB pick, yah not the same scenario@@Sportstalk404
@Sportstalk404 The panthers were 7-10 the year Scott Fitterer said that. Last year the Falcons were 7-10.
@@2chin4uand they gave away their best player on offense in a trade and left Bryce young with old Adam theilen as WR1 and the worst oline in the NFL. 😂
He literally turned around and ran out of his own end zone before. 180 is kinda his thing
First off, Penix is a BEAST.
Second, they HAD to sign Kirk. They couldn’t go into a season banking on the fact that their QB would be there in the draft.
Exactly Hindsight
Cousins is a good move. Penix is a good move. Both together is malpractice.
Nope you can't ever have enough qb depth it's the most important position in sports, well probably goalie considering you can't even play hockey or soccer without one but anyways the falcons got a young talented quarterback that's always a good thing.
@@stevekaufmann8109 define: cope
@@stevekaufmann8109 ever heard of the saying in football if you have more than 1 qb you have none?
@@TruStatementNetwork That statement is wrong now we're in a different nfl it's a qb league now.
@@stevekaufmann8109 that statement is literally about a qb league lmao
So if its so great to get Penix, why tamper to pay a 36 year old with a repaired achilles with barely any playoff wins 100 million dollars guaranteed?
Because they don’t have a crystal ball and can see into the future. You can’t make your free agency decisions based off what you might do in the draft because you don’t know how the draft will play out and if you’ll be able to get the guy your want. The freak out over this pick has been so overblown.
@@terrencenewman5580do you realize he won’t start until he’s 27 and has had 4 straight seasons ended by injury these are just facts
@@chitown1057he will start next year. He ain’t waiting till he’s 27 lmao
@@chitown1057 his last major injury was THREE YEARS AGO! He has played two straight seasons with no injury issues and balled out both season. It’s football, everyone gets hurt eventually! So he won’t start till he’s 27? Ok. Kirk Cousins is in his late 30’s and gonna be their starter this year. If Michael starts at 27 and has a career as long as Kirk Cousins then he’ll be a quality starter in the NFL for a DECADE! Y’all are acting like late 20s early 30’s isn’t a professional QBs athletic prime.
100 million guaranteed. If Cousins starts 3 season it's still expensive. If he starts 2 seasons it crazy expensive. If he starts only 1 year or less...ATL is dumb.
Truth is, quarterbacks that sit do better, especially when they're behind someone good, as Kirk is. I think people are overreacting to this. Love Dan - yet again, he makes that easy to understand.
Facts
The difference is Penix is a 24-year-old quarterback, not a 20-year-old quarterback. Penix is experienced and supposedly ready to start now. Penix is quickly approaching the prime of his career and you will be wasting some of his peak seasons sitting on the bench!
@@briannettles669wrong, QBs are playing into their late 30s n 40s. Flacco and Brady. I’m concerned a bit about his injuries but he played 2 seasons in a division full of dogs and came out healthy so.
The problem is you left a immediate difference maker in Rome for a guy you going to sit on the bench at least 8-10 games.
Brady was a complete outlier. Most QBs (even hall of fame caliber guys) aren’t the same post 35.
In fact, the recent “old QB switching teams for a new life” moves have only really worked with Brady.
Rivers crashed and burned. Matt Ryan crashed and burned. Rodgers is TBD, but first season was a wash. Russell Wilson crashed and burned.
I think it just comes down to the fact that Atlanta assumed penix wouldn't fall to them so they went for cousins, but realistically feel like cousins is on a must win contract for the next two years otherwise penix will be stepping in to the starting position
I agree now that I have listened to the argument. They probably will not be this high up on the draft board again...here was a QB they love, and Kirk has now suffered a major injury. The only thing I wonder about is Penix sitting out for two years, that seems like a lot...but then again, Aaron Rodgers (the nutter) did it too.
I been understanding why they did drafted Penix … I just needed a tv guy to confirm for everyone why 😂
Atlanta has capital in the most important position in the league.
If it doesn't work out with cousins they can trade him comfortably. So no worries about contract. If he play well, then you have a young QB to deal in a QB hungry market.
I like this move. But mostly because Penix is a good pick. The downside is Cousins no longer being all in.
They can’t trade him “comfortably”, he has a no trade clause, and the dead cap money will be astoundingly high if they do…
@@petmilo1 the Falcons would save $2.5 million by trading Cousins pre-June 1, 2025. So there is a reasonable way to move on.
Only time will tell but this reminds me of a typical business model study where the company has resently spent a significant amount on a machine and shortly is faced with the realization that a newer machine that just came out that is significanly more productive and can increase their profits by a significan amount but the recently acquired machine works perfectly well - what do you do? You look at the bottom line and if all the facts are correct, you replace the machine with the newer inovation and sell this less effecient machine to the highest bidder, even at a loss if this doesn't negatively affect the bottom line analysis. In Atlanta's eyes, Penix represents the more productive machine. This effectively makes Cousin a bridge QB, not what he was banking on.
Yup. The 2010 Ford Mustang is a great car but now they have a 2023 Ford Mustang Mach-E. Why keep it in the garage for 3 years?
I like the analogy, but in the Falcons case, you don't yet know if the newer machine really is better. You know it's newer, although it's broken down a few times and has been repaired, but lately it's been working well. You don't yet know if it can run at high speed and take a stressful load. You certainly hope it can, but until you actually run it at full production, you're just hoping.
I love the Pick. Most Falcons fans hated it but this is the most important position in Sports. I love that Falcons went from no QB to a Veteran Top 10 QB and a new young prospect
Kirk ain’t not top 10 QB as a MSU fan and Lions fan lol… yes he puts up stats but he doesn’t win big games…
I'm old school. I like that Pennix will have to sit and learn for a while.
Exactly , dudes back then was coming into the league at 23 / 24
Everybody gaslighting TF out of everyone today. 🤣
Is that the guy from Always Sunny?
😂😂😂
At the end of the day it's a business, I didn't like the pick at first, but I get it now. " If you fail to plan ,you plan to fail"
This will split the locker and the fanbase will be calling for pennix like crazy.
Not sure about the locker but without a doubt Cousins has to ball out or the fan base will be split .
I can see in spring practice Penix dropping perfect back shoulder throws and 50 yard bombs with easy-to-catch tight spiral. Offensive players will undoubtedly be watching and will be sold.
@@jefflittle3685I think Cousins should then ..... Do his job.... And ball out ... Right?
@@erikmcneal6179 no doubt. At 1st I hated the pick and was all caught up in drafting an edge. After some time to think and hear experts I’m on board but not so sold on Penix sitting 3 years. Cousins had better be so good it would be insane to go to Penix. I like Penix character more than Cousins. Sure Cousins is a good guy but Penix comes across like he’d be more of a team player and fits into Atlanta better. Just my opinion
Sounds like Falcons got toooo much money but Penix is best qb in draft and better than some starters in nfl
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Either Penix is an insurance policy (dumb) or the Falcons drafted him to sit for 3-4 years (really dumb). In either case you don't spend the #8 pick in the draft like this!!!
I will take this "problem" over Ridder
If Kirk Cousins gets hurt then what? People who are hating on this pick are just pissed that it screwed up their draft boards! As Falcon fans, we have to get over it.
What was our 3 issues last year: Play Calling, QB Play and our front 7 got decimated. We literally addressed all of those. New coaches. We went out and got a starter at QB. Then in the draft one of our top 5 players fell to us so we took him. Then we draft 4 players in the front 7 who will help now. May not start but WILL be used. I dont understand they hate. This isnt madden. We had no idea Penix would be there. If he wasnt maybe we do go Turner, we stuck to OUR board and not the boards of the media outlets.
Fin.
Damn Kirk or Mr. MONEY Get a another contract???? You GO Kirk Love it!!
Everyone will eat crow. It's cool when other team do it, it's a problem when Atlanta does it.
There’s a video of Kirk cousins saying he would retire at every team he played lol
I understand why they picked HIM, i dont understand why they DIDNT pick a pass rusher. But now seeing Orlovsky agree with me makes me not feel so good about it 😂
They won 7 games with the old head coach. Didn't we just watch a 7 win team fire their coach, hire a new coach, fire him in his first year after winning 2 games. What you did with your last coach means nothing. It's a whole new regime now
So what Orlovsky is saying is that Fontenot, Morris and Blank all had bad recent experiences with not having a top level QB, and so collectively they used those experiences to panic and make one of the most bizarre draft choices anyone's ever seen....
Talk about who they passed on. They needed to pick Odunze or Bowers or the best defensive player on the board.
whats frustrating is we wont be able to see him tear up the league
Why is it OK for cousins to be picked when RGIII is the starting quarterback, but Atlanta can’t pick Penix WHEN cousins is the starting quarterback
this is also good for Raheem. He’s going to be there at least four years if Kirk doesn’t get hurt. He’s going to have two years to turn it around with what many consider to be a decent,solid quarterback, then ownership is more than likely going to give him a couple of years when it’s Penix’s time under center.
Falcons signed up for 1 of these 2 things :
1) #8 overall pick in Draft NOT ON FIELD PLAYING
2) $100m Guaranteed Player NOT Playing
It might make sense if you look at the pick in a vacuum, but when you consider the money already spent for Cousins and who was still on the board it's insane. Took an injury-prone back up when Murphy, Odunze, Fashanu and a couple other instant difference makers were still available.
Kurt Cousins threw out the first pitch, Kurt Cousins said he wanted to retire there. The Falcons didnt throw out the first pitch. The Falcons didnt say they wanted Kurt to retire there. Not sure what is so hard for Rich to understand.
I have a feeling that Penix is very quickly going to be better than Cousins, it would be wild if they switched to Penix THIS season
2:58 Look at those freaking hands.
Yeah, with Cousins’ recent injury history, the pick makes more sense.
Morris and Fontenot spelled it out for all you “experts” at the press conference. They want to win NOW. And they will with Cousins. But they knew they would not be in this prime spot again so they invested in their QB future.
This is the same team that made a dumb choice of picking a tight end ahead of Jamarr Chase and picked a running back they did not need in the top ten when no competent NFL team drafts a running back in the top ten. Competent NFL front offices draft tight ends and running backs in the second and third rounds. They do not waste top-ten picks on tight ends and running backs. Now they used a top-ten pick on a backup quarterback! I have zero confidence that the Falcon's "brain trust" has any clue how to build a Super Bowl-contending team. I suspect the Falcons will be right back in the same place next season drafting yet another top-ten pick. Maybe they will waste a top-ten pick on a kicker or punter next year!
@@briannettles669 Sorry Brian but I disagree. The Falcons came down to the wire this past season with the shitty and inconsistent play behind center at QB. Now they have the vet QB for the short term and the rookie for the long term. You can say what you want but this team WILL win this division this season. They have a lot of good solid pieces on that roster. This is a page right out of Green Bay with Love being picked while Rodgers was still there. Sorry you can’t see it. The Falcons have had pure crap at the QB spot since Ryan left. And they still were in the conversation at the end. That all changes now. They’re built to win now.
GM and coach dont know what most of the league knows. you dont tie up 25% of the salary cap in QBs.
@@paulthomas9911 Well Ridder is gone so there’s that rookie salary. Heinicke will stick so we already had his salary on the books. Woodside? His days are likely numbered so that salary is gone. Looks like we have our QB room.
@@rip8564people don't know the falcons team they just say what everyone else is saying I say stop coming over here talking about my team and go talk about your own crappy team
I love Penix and think he’s gonna be our franchise QB, so in 5 years I don’t think any of this will matter. My problem is that it feels like we’re just punting on the next 2 years and will be complacent with making the playoffs and that’s it.
literally everyone been arguing about how the falcons should have done what the raiders did. Raiders didnt overpay for cousins, they got a bridge qb so that when the draft came and they could pick their qb of the future no one talked shhhh about overpaying for cousins. Thats how you do it, sign less talented qbs and hope the future qb falls to you in the draft. nice to see dan finally explain how free agency works to rich,
People who are casual fans and never seen MPJ play will like the kid. I don’t have a problem with the pick. He will start sooner than people think. Kirk better be on his A game.
That last sentence!!
Kirk made sure his money was fully guaranteed. But forgot to add a no trade clause 😂
I went through the exact same thing Dan Orlovsky did; I was completely confused when the pick happened, slept on it, woke up in the morning still a little bit confused, then I started to understand why. This draft didn't really stick out defensively, which is why a defensive player didn't get picked until 15th which wasn't even the guy everyone had being the first defensive player off the board, so they decided to pick based off want instead of need. Everyone has a problem with Penix's age and being a little bit too old to be developed, but we gotta understand that 40 is the new 35 for the QB position. Quarterbacks are playing much longer and taking A LOT LESS hits. They probably plan on letting Penix sit behind Kirk for two years and then let him compete with Kirk for the starting position for the remainder of Kirk's contract. I'm still not the biggest fan of the move but I can understand it.
My main problem is the fact they started that plan now instead of next year. I understand that no defensive player was worth a top 10 pick this year but the best decision was to trade back and take a chance on someone like Turner or Latu. If they don't work out oh well, at least we traded back and got a another draft pick in return.
My ideal plan for the Falcons would've been; Let Kirk get a year under his belt to see if he's truly good enough to lead this talented team to a Superbowl. If not then trade up to draft Shedeur next year, because the Falcons aren't going to be bad enough to get a high enough pick to draft him. He's no where near the thrower of the football as Penix but you can't tell me two years under Kirk's guidance wouldn't help with that. He's still raw but the fact he's talented enough to warrant a top pick really shows he has the natural ability, he just needs a little bit of quarterback guidance, instead of that bs QB coaching he gets from his dad and Colorado. Then just re-up on Pitts, London, and Bijan before Shedeur's rookie contract ends. I personally do believe the Falcons pulled the trigger a little bit too early, but I guess only time will tell.
Between the end of the season and when free agency starts is a big time gap to figure out your QB plan.
Dan has never met a QB move he didn’t like lol
As you think about it its a right pick. I think everyone just want him in a position where he could start, I.E. the Raiders which i would have loved lol
Go look at cousins contract. Guaranteed money at 100M over two years is under the qb market for both calendar years. The second year of his contract Kirk wont even be amongst the top 10 highest paid quarterbacks. This is a brilliant move by the Atlanta falcons. And honestly the lack of r&d by most broadcasting professionals is astounding. Even rich, you are showing age here. Simply not accepting something because it hasn't been done before.
😊 I'm a long-term Falcons fan when this happened I was shocked I thought we were going to get arguably the best defender in the draft. I like what they've done now I am good with it let's go
Your right because when cousins is gone then what we would just have a edge rusher with no quarterback
@@quentinmathes2361 exactly. Brother, rise up
I think Kirk's had 'The rug pulled from beneath him', as they say.
If Penix get injured and out for the season. Then they all will say, he shouldn't have been drafted in 1st rd. So write the positive reviews names down and should penix get hurt ( hopefully not) see how the positive will become negative.
Its not just two years with Cousins. Its 3 years cuz the Dead Cap money is horrible in year 3 also.
Orlovsky is missing one giant piece of critical info when he lists all these places that drafted the “next” QB. The phenomena is absolutely NOT new: he’s right. But in everywhere he listed, the “established” QB in the equation had been with that club for some time. It wasn’t somebody they went and wined and dined and SOLD on coming to their club weeks earlier. The PHILOSOPHY makes sense. This execution is beyond underhanded. It’s clear they did Kirk completely dirty and that management group is now gonna have a higher hurdle to clear with every contested free agent it tries to bring in. They are now on record being completely dishonest with a high profile free agent.
Media making a bigger deal out of this than need be..
Let’s hear Rich’s brilliant plan for what the Falcons do at QB in 3 years ( max) for a QB. They won’t have a good draft pick between now and then, so, without Michael Penix they are right back into QB purgatory. The idea that not taking Dallas Turner somehow means they are abandoning a plan to “win now” Is stupid. They went 7-10 with frigging Desmond Ridder at qb and their current personnel on Defense. That same team with Cousins at QB wins 9 or 10 games easy. And, if they are one edge rusher short of winning the Super Bowl ( which is laughable but seems to be what is implied here) they can easily fill that need with the 20th pick ( or similar) next year. You know what need can’t be immediately addressed with the 15th or higher pick in the draft ? 3 guesses (and the first 2 don’t count)
Why mystified for planning for the future of your team. QB IS the most important position.great planning for cheap..
When they signed Cousins they didn’t who would be on the board when they picked. Did not trade up for him but reacted to take what they believe is big value. Cousins could get injured at anytime. Competition makes people better. I support ATL decision 100%
They’ve already said KC is going to b QB1 for the next several yrs. Penix is their qb1 for the next 10 afterwards
Dan gets it 💯
Trouble is even if he beats out Kirk. You don't get the cap saving a rookie QB gives you. The lose if they beat him out. They lose if he doesn't because by the time he plays he's 27 and the rookie saving is about over. Not a bad QB to pick. Just a bad pick overall to make because of the insane money you just paid Kirk.
Didn’t Greenbay give Rodgers an extension then went in the draft and moved up to get Jordan????
How can they say Atlanta doesn't have to worry about a QB till 2030? WHo knows what could happen in 6 years.
Did Dan just say the first pick is pointless? Lmao
$100M g-money sounds a lot but it really isn't in today's NFL especially for starting QBs. That amount is basically middle of the road compared to other QB contracts. Yea it's going to suck for ATL if hey have to unload Cousins next year, but the hit isn't so bad. Also Cousins will likely have trade value so ATL might get something back.
The new background is kinda distracting lol.
It's crazy falcons fans can be mad about acquiring a talented quarterback in the draft considering their franchise history
We have the worst fans in the league. They complain about everything yet when positive changes are made, they still complain.
If Kirk plays out his contract, penix will be 26-27 starting and 1 year left on his rookie contract. If the plan was drafting him, why pay Kirk and not a qb journeyman that he can learn from
Penix is already 24 years old and will not get a chance to play until he’s 27 years old. It’s like I’m going to get him so you don’t get him and use him against me ! The Pick made Zero Sense because you didn’t get any better with him on the Bench ! 😂
If they like Penix that much, they should trade Cousins to some team that needs a QB, like the Raiders.
I like the pick, Kirk Cousins is 35 years old quarterback starting on a new team with a new offensive coordinator usually older quarterbacks do not transition well to a new offense and he's coming off surgery I give this Man 2 and 1/2 years left of good football before the decline starts rapidly having not everyone is Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers. And if he gets hurt Within These two years they have a backup plan Terry Fontenot should be honored we're going against the mold
Does rich not understand ATL not have honking by they would be able to draft him at 8. I’m not sure where the confusion is. The draft didn’t go the way teams thought it would
I think it’s finally setting in to me that this whole Penix and Kirk Cousins thing, is the best series of decisions in franchise history. On draft night I thought Penix was an irreplaceable talent that happened to fall and they couldn’t pass. But after some thought, I’m pretty sure Penix was part of the plan all along and they realized they refuse to go the route of feed the rookie to the fire and start him year one. That is always a crap shoot, for every CJ Stroud there’s a Bryce Young. They also realized most rookies do not improve under poor bridge QBs, in fact in many ways they end up adopting many of their bad habits. So, how do you give your best shot of recreating a Mahomes situation, or a Rodgers or Love situation? You go pay Kirk. Now, you are a winning football team and you just so happened to get one of the best possible mentors for your franchise QB. It may just slip into genius territory, if it goes right.
I felt the Jets should have done the same but with JJ
Credibility killer doing a complete 180 the next day.
Kirk is paid to win now, and Penix is drafted to win later. They don't compete for the same resources
It’s hilarious hearing a jets fan disagree with a team getting 2 good qb’s 😂
I agree with Dan. Wanted Latu but we move
What did Rodgers do after they drafted Love? MVP, MVP....Maybe they want to push Kirk to be his absolute best for the next few years and now Penix gets to learn, study, and be his best when he does get his shot. If he pans out, they could have elite QB play for the next 10 years. They have holes to fill, but QB hopefully shouldn't be one of them going forward. My best take.
Agree 💯. I think this will light 🔥 under Cousins and he'll ball out. Competition is good.
If Cousins plays well and team wins a lot of games, keep rolling with him for 2 years. If Cousins stumbles or gets injured, then MPJ time.
If Cousins keeps playing well, could trade Penix to a rebuilding team or team in need of a high ceiling cheap backup QB.
I realize team spent $$$ on Cousins but having options at QB is a good thing. Steelers and Raiders would have killed for and paid a lot of $$/picks for Penix last year.
It’s Cousins for 1 year and $90m and then Penix. It’s fine.
Orlofksky was the one who stepped out of the back of the end zone and didnt know it, right? ok. got it.
Do you think if free agency came after draft , this would happen ?
Kirk Cousins and Michael Penix Jr. situation will work itself out in time.
If I was cousins I would be pissed shaking my head.
Rich said I appreciate the insight into the situation but I’m still gonna believe my stupid perception of the pick
The current status of the team doesn't make sense. If they love Penix that much, trade Cousins
I’d get if you drafted JJ to sit because of his age. I just can’t get around on Penix being the guy. This just can’t end well. Plus the pressure it puts the locker room in if Cousins struggles and Penix looks great at practice.
Makes perfect sense
Rich talking like Kirk's retirement isn't right around the corner😆 He's 36 how much longer do you expect him to play?
I don't understand why all of these pundits are having such a difficult time with understanding this pick. Imagine the Falcon's don't draft a hot shot QB and Cousins takes them to the playoffs or beyond, are there QB's this caliber coming out next year? Imagine the Falcon's don't draft a QB this year and Cousins gets taken out and they are left with Heinke again. Arthur Blank AIN'T going for that. This seems to me to be a chess and not checkers move.
"They don't have to worry about QB until realistically, 2030"
🤔 Let's do the math on that, you have a 35-year-old Kirk Cousins coming off a very serious injury that you paid a king's ransom for, so then you draft Michael Penix, a 24-year-old rookie who's biggest knock is his history of serious season-ending injuries multiple times. 🤣
Dan a big whimp. Gotta carry the NFL/Atlanta water so he can continue to get access. They didn't even do a Top 30 pick meeting with Penix.
Cousins will likely continue to get injured. He is older now and one play away from being out for the season.
lets talk about about the NFL DRAFT crowds and TV Ratings VS NBA playoffs , the NBA DREAMS of getting HUGE crowds like that at their draft or the TV ratings the draft gets compared to NBA playoffs games WOW
They didn't try to make the team as good as they could for Cousins, and they didn't go out on a limb and get Penix hoping he'd be their solution.. they had one foot in and one foot out. Getting Cousins was a waste of money. If you want to have a few years to develop Penix before he plays, you don't really want to have an upper-mid record like you'll get with Cousins - and you could have used that money to get Penix future weapons.. it was a terrible decision to get them both, no matter how you look at it 😂 I can't believe some franchises decisions.. Panthers, Broncos, and now the Falcons.