I have a genuine question about your shock choice; wouldnt you get the same result with the fox 2.0 as you did with the king 3.0 with stage 2 tuning? Im asking cause i thought about doing that because the shocks look great especially with the res…but spending almost twice the price to look cool doesnt seem like a smart idea lol. Im being serious tho, is there actually a difference having larger shocks with low valving or should i just save money and get the fox shocks?
Thank you for this, and I am considering this setup. I see that Carli requires the end links, track bar drop, and bump stop drop in addition to the coils. Is everything working fine without those?
I installed the Thuren track bar drop and end links as part of my original lift, but it worked fine with the stock bump stops. Later I added Timbren Sumo Springs which are great for trailering with this setup.
Thank you for the additional info. I’m assuming your doing conventional towing and not a gooseneck. Im surprised you would need Sumo Springs with Carli claiming the coils maintain factory payload. Do you think they are actually softer than factory?
It does have more leverage being that far back, but just isn't that much weight. Installing the tire carrier and tire sagged the Thuren springs by about 3/8", so only a small fraction of the 3" low it was sitting.
Interesting i called carli and they said the r2 won’t work since i only have a king 2.5 in the front and stock height in the back even if i have a camper that weigh about 1.000 and squad once i tow my trailer with a hitch weigh of 300 and I can’t find any information you are the only one that has done a video on a leveling kit
Hi Justin, I'm currently at work so can't watch your video with audio on, so forgive me if this was answered already, but, are you running Carli R2 rear coils, with King 2.5 tuned shocks from THUREN? If so, how is the ride??? Since they're tuned for their coils. I currently have a 2021 Power Wagon, 1.5" front lift with overland shocks and trackbar, those front coils are equivalent to the diesel 2" front coils, same part number. The rear I am running the Thuren STOCK HEIGHT rear coils soft rate, which is equivalent to your 1" rear coils for the diesel. On the power wagon it doesn't give me added height I guess. Also have overland rear shocks and track bar. I added about 500 lbs of constant weight with a pop top camper, rigd, and full 37" spare. So, now like you, I want to get R2 rear coils. But my dilemma is, how will it run with the rear overland shocks from thuren? And, if I need to change the shocks, who do I run? If going Carli, they don't sell just the rears, have to buy a full set and I don't want to change out to Carli front when I already have a full Thuren front setup invested. That is why I was asking if you're running King 2.5" rears from Thuren, how are you liking that shock tune for a thuren coil, but with a Carli R2 rear coil instead? And what level of tune did you get for the rear King 2.5???
Yes, I'm running the Carli 2" lift rears with Thuren King 2.5" and think it's a great combo! I got Thuren stage 2 tuning on the King shocks. Also, I'd suggest giving CJC off-road a call or email about your setut, they are the ones that recommended going this route.
Your video was super helpful for me! Never been a huge fan of going super soft on the rear of any HD truck and you really helped me iron out my build for my '22 2500 CTD. Don't do enough of the sort of wheeling anymore to justify kings again on this one, but ended up going Thuren 2.75" w/Thuren Fox 2.0 Resi upfront and Carli R2 w/Carli Backcountry Fox 2.0 Resi outback after talking to the guys at CJC. Mostly highway with some gravel and then the occasional camping trip so just couldn't pull the trigger on the Kings this go around. I also have a DiamondBack HD, quite a few tools, and I need to tow now and again. Going to run black sumos upfront for bottom out support (Thuren sells them in place of their full boogy bumps on 19+) and blue sumos out back when empty swapping to black sumos when towing or hauling heavy things on top of the cover (Done this before on other trucks with great success). Got all the other goodies (Trackbars, etc) with them on the way and really looking forward to softening up this big girl for my longer highway trips, the gravel roads I've got to travel from time to time, and towing now and again while keeping the truck a functional 3/4 ton. Your stance ended up perfect!
Thanks for great video,very helpful! I installed 2.5 pin top carli leveling kit on my 2020 ram 2500 and I don’t like it way its looks. Now I want replace stock with carli 2” coils to the rear, I see you installed Thuren track bar ! Anything else did you add to the rear? Thanks
This guys issue just proves my point. All my trucks lifts are same front and back. My local 4wheel parts has the same GM for 15-20yrs, and he knows he has to break up the "kit" to get me rear lift same as front. I'm too old for the "leveling" trend. I had 2 cars even not trucks, that had rake higher in back, as trucks certainly come, and bigger tires on back than front. 81 Vette and 91 300ZX. So I'm definitely not into the leveling a truck. If your front needs more lift, so the same to the back should be too, it's that simple. Leveling is for boys getting trucks they don't use so they should've gotten cars or SUV. If you're using the truck as manufactured for, then it needs the forward rake. Another note, no one has Ever remarked about trucks and leveling... The natural cutaway higher design of front fenders for the added clearing of tires to turn and travel up/down, is why when you "level" the truck maybe as literally a construction level put on the bedside would show level, the truck looks Nose Up ridiculousness. Well that's the minds eye confusion. "But I leveled it, but it looks nose up. The fender cut away is the deal.
The reason for lifting the front more than the back (In my case, as with most people using the Thuren and Carli systems) is neither aesthetics nor tire clearance. From the factory these trucks have less than 2" of up-travel in the front before hitting the bumpstops, while the rear has 5" plus. Consequently the front coil springs are extremely stiff, resulting in a very harsh ride and poor handling offroad (or on deteriorating roads). Raising the truck in the front increases the available uptravel allowing a lower spring rate and greatly improving the ride and handling on rough surfaces. The rear simply doesn't need to be lifted the same amount, and doing so would compromise other aspects of the rear suspension geometry.
@@jprohrer I just got a 17. Was thankful it wasn't one of the majority that a MegaCab only towed 15k than the same CC model. I knew HD Rams had some leaf spring and some coil rear suspension. So my coil truck said it's 17,203.11, so that's good on cab space and towing. I did watch CJC on the Carli, and thought should be good for me, but I'll get rear lift the same
Nice. Looking to do the same on my Ram but can't find the + 2 Carli coiks anywhere or prices, any idea? How does it ride now compared to Thurens? Thanks.
It is an "off menu" option, but CJC has them and can quote it via phone or email. It is definitely stiffer than Thuren, but still much better ride than stock.
@@jprohrer Thanks, just talked to them, unfortunately they wont work on my truck as I just have the Carli 2.5 pintop leveling kit w stock coils in the back. They recommended a 1in spacer from Traxda.
Man looks perfect now! I’m debating whether to go carli or aev with my ram. I’m not considering thuren because I have a 1500 not a 2500. Eventually I want to run 37s so I’m leaning toward aev as they push the front (IFS) axles forward just like they do for the HD truck solid axle but not as much. But still it helps clear 37s with full turning not being an issue. Carli swears by 35s max on their half ton truck system so it depends what I end up choosing to do. I’m a weekend warrior so I can’t go cheap and risk breaking something. I’m glad you found an easy solution though and this vid was great thanks!
Thanks for the feedback! I think I mentioned it in the video, but I opted to go with 35" tires on this truck, even though 37" would clear no problem. Just be aware of the effect the larger tires will have on acceleration, gearing, towing, speedometer, etc. All are correctable of course, it just adds complexity to the build.
@@jprohrer yes I know how 37s change everything. This is why I’ve only ever ran a max of 35 for a daily driver. For a pure off-roader trail rig I want to go big or go home lol.
After having them on for a while now did they settle any more? And are you still happy with them getting ready to do the same setup to my 2018 was also interested in how much sag you got while towing truck looks great by the way
No, I haven't noticed any more settling and am really happy with them. They do sag quite a bit with 1000 lbs on the tongue, so I ended up adding SumoSprings, which make it super stable for towing.
No, the rears are 2.5" kings. 3" kings will not fit in the stock location at all, you would need to go to something like the Carli Dominator set up which relocates the rear shocks.
Looking good. I’ve always ran Thuren 1in front lift coils with stock rear shocks and springs. Thuren has a new “mid rate” stock height rear spring I’m going with on my 21. Hoping for a much better on road ride
@@jprohrer I was thinking about getting one to fit my maxtrax up there. Or some boxes for my recovery gear. But There are no videos to show how it’s mounted, mounting tips or even how the light bar fits. So anything you could show would be greatly appreciated.
That nut with the flag was the opposite of yours when I changed out the factory shocks on mine.
I have a genuine question about your shock choice; wouldnt you get the same result with the fox 2.0 as you did with the king 3.0 with stage 2 tuning? Im asking cause i thought about doing that because the shocks look great especially with the res…but spending almost twice the price to look cool doesnt seem like a smart idea lol. Im being serious tho, is there actually a difference having larger shocks with low valving or should i just save money and get the fox shocks?
Thank you for this, and I am considering this setup. I see that Carli requires the end links, track bar drop, and bump stop drop in addition to the coils. Is everything working fine without those?
I installed the Thuren track bar drop and end links as part of my original lift, but it worked fine with the stock bump stops. Later I added Timbren Sumo Springs which are great for trailering with this setup.
Thank you for the additional info. I’m assuming your doing conventional towing and not a gooseneck. Im surprised you would need Sumo Springs with Carli claiming the coils maintain factory payload. Do you think they are actually softer than factory?
That is way too soft that’s crazy
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The real killer is the tire hanging out the back, the leverage really sags the truck.
It does have more leverage being that far back, but just isn't that much weight. Installing the tire carrier and tire sagged the Thuren springs by about 3/8", so only a small fraction of the 3" low it was sitting.
Carli 2" rear springs for me. Did you get the sway bar spacers, track bar bracket and bump stop spacers?
Interesting i called carli and they said the r2 won’t work since i only have a king 2.5 in the front and stock height in the back even if i have a camper that weigh about 1.000 and squad once i tow my trailer with a hitch weigh of 300 and I can’t find any information you are the only one that has done a video on a leveling kit
Did you have to change your shocks? I'm in the same boat you were.
All my tabs were down from the factory.
Hi Justin, I'm currently at work so can't watch your video with audio on, so forgive me if this was answered already, but, are you running Carli R2 rear coils, with King 2.5 tuned shocks from THUREN? If so, how is the ride??? Since they're tuned for their coils. I currently have a 2021 Power Wagon, 1.5" front lift with overland shocks and trackbar, those front coils are equivalent to the diesel 2" front coils, same part number.
The rear I am running the Thuren STOCK HEIGHT rear coils soft rate, which is equivalent to your 1" rear coils for the diesel. On the power wagon it doesn't give me added height I guess. Also have overland rear shocks and track bar.
I added about 500 lbs of constant weight with a pop top camper, rigd, and full 37" spare.
So, now like you, I want to get R2 rear coils. But my dilemma is, how will it run with the rear overland shocks from thuren? And, if I need to change the shocks, who do I run? If going Carli, they don't sell just the rears, have to buy a full set and I don't want to change out to Carli front when I already have a full Thuren front setup invested.
That is why I was asking if you're running King 2.5" rears from Thuren, how are you liking that shock tune for a thuren coil, but with a Carli R2 rear coil instead? And what level of tune did you get for the rear King 2.5???
Yes, I'm running the Carli 2" lift rears with Thuren King 2.5" and think it's a great combo! I got Thuren stage 2 tuning on the King shocks. Also, I'd suggest giving CJC off-road a call or email about your setut, they are the ones that recommended going this route.
why did you switch from Thuren to Carli springs in rear? What do you recommend for front springs?
Did you actually watch the video???
Your video was super helpful for me! Never been a huge fan of going super soft on the rear of any HD truck and you really helped me iron out my build for my '22 2500 CTD. Don't do enough of the sort of wheeling anymore to justify kings again on this one, but ended up going Thuren 2.75" w/Thuren Fox 2.0 Resi upfront and Carli R2 w/Carli Backcountry Fox 2.0 Resi outback after talking to the guys at CJC. Mostly highway with some gravel and then the occasional camping trip so just couldn't pull the trigger on the Kings this go around. I also have a DiamondBack HD, quite a few tools, and I need to tow now and again. Going to run black sumos upfront for bottom out support (Thuren sells them in place of their full boogy bumps on 19+) and blue sumos out back when empty swapping to black sumos when towing or hauling heavy things on top of the cover (Done this before on other trucks with great success). Got all the other goodies (Trackbars, etc) with them on the way and really looking forward to softening up this big girl for my longer highway trips, the gravel roads I've got to travel from time to time, and towing now and again while keeping the truck a functional 3/4 ton. Your stance ended up perfect!
Thanks, glad it was helpful!
You should remove your factory spare tire. That’s another 70lbs that doesn’t need to be there!
Yes, but I'll be putting an auxiliary fuel tank there, so it's going to be even heavier!
The tire hanging off the back is probably not a good idea. To each his I guess. You still have back there a year later?
Yes, it is definitely the best place for it. It would be too much in the way anywhere else.
Love the setup. I will be waiting on more vids !!
More to come!
If you want to sell the Thuren coils I will buy them !
@@Pearson_vii I'd be happy to sell them, send me an email (my email address is on the about page of the channel).
Thanks for great video,very helpful! I installed 2.5 pin top carli leveling kit on my 2020 ram 2500 and I don’t like it way its looks. Now I want replace stock with carli 2” coils to the rear, I see you installed Thuren track bar ! Anything else did you add to the rear? Thanks
Nope, just the 2.5" shocks, coils, and track bar.
what didn’t you like about the look?
Lower rear end ! Ended up with 1” rear spacer! Looks great!
@@evaldicful So with just the 2.5 Carli it wasn’t dead level, the front was higher than the rear?
@@sponsurd yes . Front little higher
Do you have a side or front shot of the truck?
Are you interested in selling the thuren rear coils?? Would like to run them on my 2014 2500.
Sure am! They have about 8k miles on them. Make me an offer.
Thanks for the info! I'm looking for rear coils for my 2500. Very helpful.
Glad to help!
This guys issue just proves my point. All my trucks lifts are same front and back. My local 4wheel parts has the same GM for 15-20yrs, and he knows he has to break up the "kit" to get me rear lift same as front.
I'm too old for the "leveling" trend. I had 2 cars even not trucks, that had rake higher in back, as trucks certainly come, and bigger tires on back than front. 81 Vette and 91 300ZX.
So I'm definitely not into the leveling a truck.
If your front needs more lift, so the same to the back should be too, it's that simple. Leveling is for boys getting trucks they don't use so they should've gotten cars or SUV. If you're using the truck as manufactured for, then it needs the forward rake.
Another note, no one has Ever remarked about trucks and leveling...
The natural cutaway higher design of front fenders for the added clearing of tires to turn and travel up/down, is why when you "level" the truck maybe as literally a construction level put on the bedside would show level, the truck looks Nose Up ridiculousness. Well that's the minds eye confusion. "But I leveled it, but it looks nose up.
The fender cut away is the deal.
The reason for lifting the front more than the back (In my case, as with most people using the Thuren and Carli systems) is neither aesthetics nor tire clearance. From the factory these trucks have less than 2" of up-travel in the front before hitting the bumpstops, while the rear has 5" plus. Consequently the front coil springs are extremely stiff, resulting in a very harsh ride and poor handling offroad (or on deteriorating roads). Raising the truck in the front increases the available uptravel allowing a lower spring rate and greatly improving the ride and handling on rough surfaces. The rear simply doesn't need to be lifted the same amount, and doing so would compromise other aspects of the rear suspension geometry.
@@jprohrer I just got a 17. Was thankful it wasn't one of the majority that a MegaCab only towed 15k than the same CC model. I knew HD Rams had some leaf spring and some coil rear suspension. So my coil truck said it's 17,203.11, so that's good on cab space and towing.
I did watch CJC on the Carli, and thought should be good for me, but I'll get rear lift the same
Nice. Looking to do the same on my Ram but can't find the + 2 Carli coiks anywhere or prices, any idea? How does it ride now compared to Thurens? Thanks.
It is an "off menu" option, but CJC has them and can quote it via phone or email. It is definitely stiffer than Thuren, but still much better ride than stock.
@@jprohrer Thanks, just talked to them, unfortunately they wont work on my truck as I just have the Carli 2.5 pintop leveling kit w stock coils in the back. They recommended a 1in spacer from Traxda.
Man looks perfect now! I’m debating whether to go carli or aev with my ram. I’m not considering thuren because I have a 1500 not a 2500. Eventually I want to run 37s so I’m leaning toward aev as they push the front (IFS) axles forward just like they do for the HD truck solid axle but not as much. But still it helps clear 37s with full turning not being an issue. Carli swears by 35s max on their half ton truck system so it depends what I end up choosing to do. I’m a weekend warrior so I can’t go cheap and risk breaking something. I’m glad you found an easy solution though and this vid was great thanks!
Thanks for the feedback! I think I mentioned it in the video, but I opted to go with 35" tires on this truck, even though 37" would clear no problem. Just be aware of the effect the larger tires will have on acceleration, gearing, towing, speedometer, etc. All are correctable of course, it just adds complexity to the build.
@@jprohrer yes I know how 37s change everything. This is why I’ve only ever ran a max of 35 for a daily driver. For a pure off-roader trail rig I want to go big or go home lol.
After having them on for a while now did they settle any more? And are you still happy with them getting ready to do the same setup to my 2018 was also interested in how much sag you got while towing truck looks great by the way
No, I haven't noticed any more settling and am really happy with them. They do sag quite a bit with 1000 lbs on the tongue, so I ended up adding SumoSprings, which make it super stable for towing.
@@jprohrerso you went with a 3rd spring?
No, sumo springs are an extended bump stop basically
Do you have 3 inch kings in the rear also?
No, the rears are 2.5" kings. 3" kings will not fit in the stock location at all, you would need to go to something like the Carli Dominator set up which relocates the rear shocks.
Want to sell the Tharen springs ?
Sure, $250 +shipping. Or email me an offer rohrej@gmail.com.
looks like you had the Thuren soft rate +1, Why didnt you go mid-rate with shim?
Thuren hadn't come out with the mid-rate coils yet.
@@jprohrer how are those Carli rears holding up towing?
Holding up great! I do also run sumo springs if I'm going to be trailering longer distances.
@@jprohrer I was thinking of adding carli or Thuren mid rate rear springs for towing fifth wheel a few times a year.
Great info man. 👍 What roof rack are you running? Thanks
That is the expedition one mule rack.
Thank you 👍
Looking good. I’ve always ran Thuren 1in front lift coils with stock rear shocks and springs. Thuren has a new “mid rate” stock height rear spring I’m going with on my 21. Hoping for a much better on road ride
Right on!
Does that rear tire carrier fold down or swing out?
It swings out
@@jprohrercompany name?
Rigd Ultraswing www.rigdsupply.com/collections/ultraswing
are ya selling the old ones?
Yes, I replied to your message on FB.
can you please do a video of your roof rack?
Probably! Is there anything in particular you want to see?
@@jprohrer I was thinking about getting one to fit my maxtrax up there. Or some boxes for my recovery gear. But There are no videos to show how it’s mounted, mounting tips or even how the light bar fits. So anything you could show would be greatly appreciated.
How much for the old thuren shocks?
$250 + shipping for the Thuren 1" lift rear coils
@@jprohrer you live in LA area?
No, I'm up near Monterey
That is a beautiful setup!
Thanks!