Atheist Michael Shermer Joins Jesse! (
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On this week's episode of TheFallenState TV, host Jesse Lee Peterson is joined by Dr. Michael Shermer, presidential fellow at Chapman University, and publisher of Skeptic Magazine. Dr. Shermer's brand-new book is called, "Giving the Devil His Due: Reflections of a Scientific Humanist." Tune in as Jesse and Dr. Shermer tackle faith, atheism, morality, free will, why bad things happen to good people, and so much more. You don't want to miss it!
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“Is Joe Biden mentally fit to run for President?”
“Yes.”
Now THAT is amazing!
“What the?!!!”
"Should white people have more babies?"
"No"
That already tells everything.
And he’s supposed to be a skeptic! 🤣🤣
This is aging nicely
Happy Birthday Jesse!
Jesse lee may be a genius he had the atheist defending jesus
He’s a comedic genius. Funnier than anyone with a Netflix special.
Jesse may not be as dumb as he pretends to be but genius? Settle down dummy.
You’re observing honesty and sincerity and labeling it as genius. Perhaps the word Genius is related to Genuine. Genu, Geni, Gen.
Got to give the devil his due.
hes the dumbest genius i know
Ok, gonna go put the Bluetooth headset on and mow, last time I did that it was when you had the nun on and I laughed so hard, I about fell off the tractor. So this time I will put the seat belt on.😎😂. AMAZING✊🏼
That was really really awesome interview. Some chuckles but I liked it way better than the nun. The guy seems to know but don’t want to know..
I do the same shit... listen while mowing, its AMAZING...
Nobody:
Shermer: Nixon hated the media. Said it was all run by Juice.
Everybody: The media is all run by Juice.
100%
Conan the Septuagenarian TED TURNER A JEW???
@James Whitmore Rubert Murdoch is a nasty Zionist Juice Lover who supports every satanic war for satanic juices.
@James Whitmore Oh I guess you know Murdochs motives well after a quick Google search.
@James Whitmore They are overrepresented in the media by 2000%
He a child uh duh lie.
athiests cannot believe in truth by definition he GOTTA be wit da deception by his nature
@@zReNAgAdE504 By definition, something is true when you can show that it's true. If you can't prove that a god exists, then you can't claim that it's true now, can you?
@@siegfriedmorse3129 o
@@siegfriedmorse3129 actual science proves a creator in almost evry way guy
Jesse polo game always on point
This gonna be a great one ...beta
Dr. Michael Shermer is AMAZIN'!!!
I am an atheist and I think Shermer is a shmuch. I like Jesse.
how so?
bigdaddyfilmmaker when you see a house do you logically realize that it required intelligent design to create, and could not have evolved naturally?
Shermer is laidback, real, and cool. He was a former Christian.
Congrats on being simple
Good interview.
Hake that was amazing.. way better than the nun. This guy seems to know, but doesn’t want to know.. 👍. Awesome interview.👍
No interview is good!
Hakes editing skills are up there with reality TV. He can craft an entire narrative out of an hour interview.
You have to respect his talent.
🤷♂️
@@mattlivingthedream Jesse says anything to get a response.
Really great conversation. Thank you Michael Shermer for your perspective and time.
"I celebrate every month for all races."
5 seconds later...
"I don't celebrate any race month."
That's the kind of men I like to see debating Jesse :)
No mutual exclusivity, mutual inclusivity only.
The Boers in South Africa 🇿🇦 are being slaughtered. Thank you Jesse for exposing the ism’s in a Fallen State.
Ron Riddle
I find that amusing begone boers
Good. They deserve to be 👍🏿👍🏿
@@eve3363 not all not all not all but most
@@magacrusade Haha, so it's ok to slaughter most (not all) people who find themselves in a place where they don't belong? Where to start? Again!
Please stop telling us when we can generalize and when we can't - we all understand this just as well as you do Mr. Shemer!
*"Most liberals set themselves up as an authority*
*on things they know little or nothing about !"*
-Indy Oskars
Im not a liberal and I am completely opposed to religion. What now?
@@colelewis9940
Why be opposed to religion ?
Religion is a hobby to most folks.
What now? Reflect upon this:
God existed LONG before the bible was written.
You don´t need the bible to believe in God.
@James Whitmore What´s the good in evidence if you are constantly
being shown more and more evidence and yet you still will not believe ?
But if you want or are that way, that´s fine with me.
@James Whitmore The evidence is simple to present. Most quantum theorist believe in the big bang theory. That the universe came from nothing. Now common sense and everyone believes something has to come from something. A creator creates something. A builder builds a home, a painter paints a painting. The child comes from the parents.
Nothing cannot come from nothing and if it can find an example where something comes from something.
Now I believe in a creator and show you logically that there is a creator and its your job to discredit the arguement (answer will not satisfy you i know)
Now Chrisitanity being the true religion. Their is a book called a bible which was basically written approxinately 60 years after the gospel. Before Jesus their was predicitions of him and his works. They predicted that God would walk amongst us. They predicted that he would die for our sins and live a Holy life. Finally they predicted the resurrection of Christ.
Now athiest scientist and christians society along with other religion know that Jesus existed. They know he lived a holy life. They know he got crucified. And lastly they know of the resurrection and the enpty tomb. Which was predicted before, happened, and no evidence has been presented that this did not occur. They also show that when he resurrected a lot of people had accounts of seeing him after.
The truth of the matter, if I presented video evidence of Jesus works it would not be enough for you to believe in his existence. Historians archeologist and quantum physicist have not disproved these theories and actually side that a supernatural God is more possible of creation.
Ravi quotes several renown quantum physicist including Stephen Hawking's on the big bang theory and their finding.
ruclips.net/video/vo7jkIcvFHI/видео.html
@James Whitmore Thanks for the reply and being cool about it. Nornally people argue or become hateful.
Because with the start of the big bang that is when time and energy started. So God in order to exist needs to exist outside of time and space. I know bible reference will not help my arguement but it does state in the bible in Genesis In the beginning (creation of time) God created the heavens and earth (space and matter).
Which the bible was speaking of the big bang theory before it was even a theory of the existence of the universe. Which shows evidence that God exist.
The problem is no theory does not argue against that and for that reason its difficult to argue against the bible.
Get him back on asap Jesse, please. I had a good time too.
Jesse looks like he works at Hot Dog And A Stick wearing that shirt
His example is a perfect example of the truth of what Jesse is saying "if your father Robs a Bank why should the child be punished for that"? In fact if the father is a criminal the children are probably going to suffer and that's just a natural fact. Who would deny that the wicked Deeds of parents who become alcoholics or drug abusers or criminals are not the cause of the suffering of their children? If there is no God then the suffering of all humanity is utterly meaningless. If there is a God suffering has a purpose and when push comes to shove so to speak who can deny that?
Michael Shermer: University teacher ; Wrote multiple books.
Still Michael Shermer: doesn´t know what NORMAL means
*"Most liberals set themselves up as an authority*
*on things they know little or nothing about !"*
-Indy Oskars
What is normal?
@@SVENSKA_ARABEN Nomal: If something conforms to a general pattern, standard, or average, we describe it as normal, but of course that standard can change over time. What's normal today may be "abnormal" in the future. The word normal comes from a Latin word normalis, which described something made with a carpenter's square." Note the words after 'of course'.
"We should listen to the other side" cuts Jesse off as soon as he disagrees hahaha
Great observation
Jesse cut him off plenty of times.
As if JLP doesn't do that all the time. Check your bias.
In the end, the debate is between wisdom and intellect amazing thx for a great episode! perception vs reality.
More like wisdom vs intelligence, there doesn't seem to be much fact thumpin' aka intellect being slung here.
Great conversation
Guest didn't want to answer the same sex marriage question.
Jesse didn't want to answer the interracial marriage question.
@@no009limit if you listen to him he gives an answer when he asks do you know the difference between normal and abnormal, you missed it. Answer to interracial marriages Q is that they are abnormal, I rest my case!
@@linyenchin6773 I did say vs intellect, I am ESL don't crucify me on my English lol
My Fav ep !!! Their vibes are so good !
What a pleasant episode. Nice guest
Jesse needs to watch Django Unchained.....Jesse is your everyday Stephan...
Not the head of your wife? BEYTAH! Haha entertaining conversation.
I usually don’t like hearing Michael shermer talk, but he made great points & JLP being grounded in his beliefs really shows in this interview. Michael Shermer is a professional debater & I’ve never heard him defend Jesus which is amazing in its self lol! He is a smart guy who argues from the other point of view, & that’s what he tried to do.
He also could’ve left this interview, but didn’t, this was a great dialogue.
This was truly ahmazing!
Jewish people really do have a revolutionary Spirit like Dr E Michael Jones says. It's in every last one of them.
Michael Shermer is not jewish
@Uka Yes. Does it matter?
@Uka That's happened to me before. The question was rhetorical. I don't care about the issue. I think people who obsess over this confuse religion with ideology and they believe many things that are not true.
@Uka I do care about ideology. But the people being complained about here were also persecuted in the USSR.
Jesus was a revolutionary
I remember the days when people argued rationally like this Dr. He should stand for leader of the Dems.
I don’t think he’s a doctor.
Can't wait
Happy Birthday 🎉🎂🎈 And Many More💯👍🏻 thank you your Amazing
During all this plandimic it's hard to catch your show as I am to busy to watch because I have to keep up with current events but I love your show ❤️ . I watch it when I can your Amazing 🤯
Look up David Cole Michael shermer. You won’t regret it
David Cole mention! White pilled again.
Are you Talking about their (Cole and Shermer) appearance on Phil Donahue ?
@@BlackBoxOnlineRadio David Cole made a fantastic speech about Shermer at the 1994 IHR conference. It's on his channel.
31:38 LMAO and the confusion that happened there. Hilarious.
This is a very good interview.
This guy bought me to atheism years ago and Jesse brought me back. Amazing interview!
If youre atheist you doesnt exist
Jesse thinks he doesn't sin, he is not the go to guy on religious scripture.
Evolution is a fairytale for adults.
So talking snakes, virgin birth, dragons and talking bushes are not fairytale material?
You follower, people led you to their beliefs. Backcountryj is a idiot who can't think for themselves and needs to be told what to think *confirmed*
I’m actually sad that this wasn’t a better interview because he is suppose to be such an intelligent guy but he is answering the questions the same way. Like when asked what is a man and he can’t come up with a idea or answer.
Jesse is David and he never misses with his slingshot! AMAZIN! 😎
Stupid people rarely recognize smart people. Meditate on that.
As always... Amazin!! I like how Michael shermer had the convo. He’s talking about God when talking good and bad people but pretending it’s just a life philosophy based on nature that he’s realized. That’s God Michael. Haha
I wonder if jesse will ever be on the JRE lol that would be amazing!
Jesse is such a nice guy.
I used to be a 'follower' of Shermer, Dawkins, et al. until I came out of the fallen state. Now I understand. Shermer is completely wrong in his materialist world view.
how so?
Right. For one thing, he says that we have a built in sense of right and wrong, but he can't explain it with his worldview. He basically slips God in under that idea. This is only one of his contradictions.
@Kenny Taylor Of course! But examine your whole worldview. Have you *fully thought through* the implications of a completely material world? Are you sure that you didn't import some ideas from a worldview that includes the notion of spirit?
For example, if we are purely material, then free will is illusory, because your every thought is a chemical result of previous thoughts. If you really believe this, then you will never experience anxiety, because you are only a "passenger" in a mechanism that goes along of it's own accord.
You probably do experience worry though. You probably believe you need to take action, or stop taking action, and you try to align what you do to what you *think* you should do.
This supervisory activity is not explained by materialism. It's glossed over. Or it's described as a "necessary illusion." That becomes a very complex belief system, which divides the intellect ("I know this is not true, and yet I must act as if it is," etc.).
Do you think that is a better place to stand than the simpler explanation that you are not material alone, but something more?
But yes, stand there all you like and I hope it's a good thing for ya! All the best :).
Not at all, You can't compare Shermer to Dawkins and the rest who actually make sense. Dawkins and Hitchens are not beta males.
@@the_feature_selector859 I don't understand your objection. Shouldn't we use logic to "speak on" any subject worthy of discussion? If logic is considered to be a poor approach, what is the right approach? Isn't the framework of quantum mechanics itself a logical response to data acquired in observation?
Jesse was talking about "Entity Possession" there for a while. A very interesting topic.
He’s a real life Uncle Ruckus...shit is unbelievable. I think it’s an act to line his pockets.
Micheal: Where do YOU think thoughts come from?
Jessie: From your father the devil.
😂😂😂😂
Atheist "think" their wise, but have become.. well u know
50:30 Uh, Shermer... I got some real bad news for you buddy :(
EDIT: I can hardly believe how quickly the sinner reveals his sin. Jesse makes him squirm until he confesses: his wife is placed into the hands of dangerous/satanic men and Shermer is apologetic toward them. Amazin'. You can tell this is very serious because he is emotionally upset about it. Not only that, but then he uses Christ as an example for how to handle the situation, and uses the example of throwing stones at whores. Jesus said not to harm them, not that they hadn't sinned.
Ummm...in what sense is Schermer's wife "placed into the hands of dangerous/satanic men"? I don't remotely hear anything about that at the time code you cited.
That was thoroughly enjoyable
gavin interview gonna be great. Amazin
I've seen thru Shermer since the 80s. Honestly, I wasn't sure Jesse could handle Shermer, because he has made his niche in countering arguments, not thru finding truths. Jesse exposed him so many times for being a fraud, that I was extremely impressed. I realized Jesse knows exactly what he is doing, because he knows exactly where he stands on anything in life. Unwaivering. VERY IMPRESSIVE!!
But he murdered Jesse, I don't know what interview you saw
Did he prove a god or his god?
Gavin McInes on the next Fallen State, AMAZIN'!!
Awesome, spectacular, & AMAZIN my brother..........
Another amazing interview by The Great man Jessie with Michael Shermer respectful and intelligent ... Almost as good as the Stepan Molyneux interview ... Jessie is Amazing :)
Jesse if you get on the Joe Rogan podcast before the end of the year you'll get all his subscribers on RUclips as he moves to Spotify.
@Damon Scott everyone is afraid of Jesse
Joe had Alex Jones on.
He would have his hands full with Jesse though.
I like this atheist. Smart guy! Good interview.
Jesse kicked his ass on the thought origin question
I knew this would be good :)
jesse got put to sleep
It's so funny to ask someone to look inside for their answer who is an atheist and is empty inside. There is no answer from the inside for him. His answers come from the world around him.
YES GAVINNN IM EXCITED!!!!
Thanks, Jesse
Did he shave his eyebrow?
He shaves them and He started without a guard on the shaver by accident! I did it once Hahahaha
This guy is a perfect example of an intellectual who became a intellectual Christian who studies the Bible and knows about God but don't really know God personally. It's all intellectual for him when it comes to these things and not revelations.
That's because a lot of intellectuals eventually turn away from Christianity because they realize they've kinda been duped.
If he understood the Bible so well how could he have not had that revelation?
Amazing.
I liked your guest, he had a great attitude.
For someone who had the complete opposite view he kept his cool and I respect that. I feel the same way as Jesse but to many people loose their cool and start yelling.
I love these videos, this channel is the best thank you all
Will you celebrate white history month , Jessy is savage 💪
Shermer should study the doctrine of the fall to better understand evil. I'd recommend Genesis, Creation and Early Man by Fr. Seraphim Rose. I think he'd be compelled by the early Church Fathers, mostly unknown or ignored in protestant America.
love your shirt; Jesse
Did Jesse just come from refereeing a soccer game?
If this was a heavyweight fight, the fight should have been stopped due to too much power punches by Jesse.
That was so funny watching him squirm !
Who's squirming?
AMAZIN !!!!!
A jewish atheist. Imagine my shock.
Why? There are millions of them Communist Jews.
Marx was one.
😂😂"Jewish"
Jews believe that Jesus was just another guy. Same as what atheists believe
He's not Jewish. He's Greek.
A Christian would NEVER EVER NEVER call the quaran a holy book!
Christian scholars recognize many holy books from many religions.
What a stupid comment.
The Holy Qur'an is a Holy Book, as is the Torah and Gospel.
All the “Christian scholars” who call the Quran a holy book are incorrect. A religion that is contradictory to Christianity. It’s just stupid to think that the Quran is sent from the God of Abraham when the names of the Gods are different Allah (a derivative of Elohim) and Yahweh. Allah/Elohim= the god, not the name of God but a title.
@@rho4853 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's a real tragedy that our children being "taught", meaning deceived by professors like this.
That was hysterical.
Such an interesting mamma boi this guest is.
You sound too self-serious and full of yourself and not very intelligent from seeing your other comments. Listen more and learn, brother.
Michael Shermer is a reasonable guy. I think apart from their disagreements about the existence of God and maybe some political issues, this will be a very civilized and worthwhile exchange.
May Shermer burn 🔥🔥🔥 well in hell.
53:30
Apparently ‘poisons your thinking’ means ‘leads you to a conclusion I disagree with’.
I guess that could be kind of implied in any disagreement; if you think someone is wrong, their thinking must be ‘poisoned’ in some way to cause them to be wrong.
when he says 'Amazing' think that translates into 'what an idiot ' lol
His "Logic" way of answering if there is a God came to a halt, once JLP said "if you had it you would know it". LOL rip!!!!
@ 1:03:33 “Do you create your own thoughts?” “Yes” “How do you create them” “They come from where I know not” ... amazing entanglement.
This is the second atheist on the show that was as level headed as a beta can be.
when shermer said we're born with morals...
Im sure the neanderthals lived in perfect harmony with each other.
@James Whitmore they did not. sure some did. but not all of them were "born" with that sense of morality.
Praying for Michael Shermer. Hopefully he sees the light and comes back to Christ!
δεν προκειται ειναι σαν να ζητας απο τον διαβολο να μετανοησει
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@johncarroll772 praying for you too my dude. I pray that you live a long and healthy life with a wonderful and loving family by your side. ✝️🙏
"Nixon hated the media, he thought that all media was run by Jews. He was pretty antisemitic." Well of course youd say that as you are a Jew. Nixon wasnt wrong on that regard.
Shermer is not Jewish. He was a Christian before he was an atheist.
I get the idea that Jesse actually respects Shermer. Fun show
Anyone: The sky is blue
Shermer: You have no proof show me some graphs
That's not close to a good analogy as you can literally look at the sky and tell it's blue. But you literally can't see god. If that was your debate of course.
come on Jesse, a 2 month old baby dying from leukemia didn't get what that baby deserved, stop it already!!
Shermer the squirmer turns up in the most interesting of places.
Last time I saw him (and heard his bizarre claims about Jesus' supposed Political Affiliations, etc) he was getting schooled on his own presuppositions by Dr. James White......
@@hippiekarl7 dr. James White is a real heavy hitter!!! His debates are awesome.
Wow! I have never seen anyone make Michael Shermer defend Jesus! And I laugh at the difficulty the intellectuals have to answering simple formed questions.
@@donnaprather1066 well that's subjective
It's funny that every time someone says that fatherless homes aren't that big of a deal and people dont need their fathers to live a good, peaceful life; always have divorced parents or lived without their father.
I think atheists should try ayahuasca , psylosibin or DMT to find meaning and see there is much more than just this reality.
Bad advice : all those drugs can cause psychosis in some people. However, I understand the essence of your suggestion and I agree that there appears to be a dimension that Does not to appear to them.
TRIPS TO NOWHERE WILL NOT BRING YOU CLOSER TO GOD. GOING DEEPER INTO YOUR OWN HEAD IS NOT THE WAY TO REACH OUTWARD.
THAT'S JUST SPINNING YOUR WHEELS IN THE MUD AND GOING NOWHERE FAST.
I'VE KNOWN PLENTY OF ATHEISTS IN MY LIFE WHO TRIP TO THIS DAY AND ARE NO CLOSER TO BEING BORN AGAIN NOW THAN THEY WERE WHEN THEY WERE DUMB TEENAGERS, LIVING AT HOME WITH MAMA. TRIPPING ONLY TAKES YOU FURTHER INWARD. THE ULTIMATE IN NAVEL GAZING BS.
@@DOOMJESUS and yet, the kingdom of heaven is within us, as Jesse likes to say?
@@DOOMJESUS jesus is the way brother i know that and I did not need psychedelics to find him , but no where in the Bible(that I know of) does it say not to find yourself or find God in fact in encourages it , and It does hint to not 'over' toxicate yourself yet it does not say not to do substances (or alcohol) , if your atheist friends do these psyodelics without a purpose meaning or trying to find something than yes they are just abusing the medicine and not using it for beneficial purposes , I'm not implying these medicines are for everyone one must have a strong mind and those who don't will just abuse it.
@B S I'm spiritualy religious in my own way and i belive in the bible to a extent we all know all books were manipulated by many hands sadly and we will not get the full truth from these books all the time for they were made to manipulate us as well...very sad.
So he's angry with God because his life sucked and he got no answers or relief from his religion..
Yes he was looking for religion to solve issues instead of looking within.
@Rationalthought83 How can a person be angry at something they dont even believe exists? 🤔
Further, how can you pretend to know the motivation behind the anger that you claim this Shermer guy has for god?
Your comment wasnt rational at all.
@@skunk12 You must didn't listen to him discussing how hard he chased Christianity when he was much younger at which point he turned away from God.
@@MarcusLeonard307 way to ignore REASON!
You "must didnt listen" when i asked:
How can a person be angry at something that they dont even believe exists?"
@@MarcusLeonard307 I'm not angry with a god i dont believe exists. Any god rather. I'm not angry at thousands of gods. I'm not angry at Zues or Thor either- who I also don't believe in.
That was great! ... or AMAZIN! Looking forward to seeing the Gavin interview, and hope to see an interview with Kent Hovind soon!
I'm no atheist but listening to this Michael Shermer man is pleasant.
OMG!!! He's got a degree in being politically correct. Beta to the max.
Amazing....
BETA!
JLP is always good for a lol! How does he still get serious people to talk to him? Isn't the gag up by now?
It is truly amazing, that M. S. called himself "alpha male".
Jesse is awesome!