The first 16 years essentially are just getting the marvel universe back together, then after, we can see storylines we know and love with ALL the characters.
The nature vs. nurture angle is a brilliant play. Tony was adopted into a wealthy family, so he didn't do anything heroic with his life until he was forced into a cave and had to fight his way out. If that same person was born into abject poverty in a war-ravaged country, oppressed by a tyrannical government, and watched his witch mother burned at the stake, that innate genius would've come out sooner. Victor's whole life could play out on-screen, where instead of 40-yo Tony building a suit, we see teenage Victor inventing Doombots to overthrow the evil baron who killed his mom. Decades later, he rules over a country, has a big family, lives in a castle--it's the same person on a darker path, leading another life. Plus, if Howard & Maria only adopted a Latverian orphan in ONE timeline, Stark ain't coming back from elsewhere in the multiverse.
We really need to consider just why starks parents were killed and just how they came across Victors family and his adoption!! If the Red Skull knew of the potential due to his access with the cube this would be mind bogglinly incredible
Realistically Kevin Feige and the MCU basically made Thanos, similar to Apocalypse in that Apocalypse believed in survival of the fittest and wasn’t just went about it terribly
We shouldn’t be so proud to read things like “We have to get this character 100% right” Like duh! You should strive to get EVERYTHING 100% right! Otherwise don’t bother.
I think you’re for the most part right. I like this idea. Because the TVA have made it clear that multiple times that Kang pretty much simplified the timeline
I gotta say, I really do not like the idea that TS was adopted. They already went through so much effort to make his father look like him. It’d make way more sense if Doctor Doom is the variant of TS that was adpoted by the Von Dooms.
Its annoying when fans demand things be exactly like the comics. If it works, why not do something new?? Comics arent the only ones that can create new ideas
When Tony meets his dad in Endgame, he was surprised to hear his mother is expecting. This may be a little clue that can help your theory that Tony is actually adopted by the Starks.
I went back and watched this scene recently. It’s VERY weird looking back at it now post doom announcement. Another thing that pairs up with it is why he had to die in Endgame. Maybe Dr strange saw him “turning evil” and made sure he died then BEFOREHAND so he killed two birds with one stone defeated thanos and evil “Tony” not realizing it’s not actually Tony.
This right here. In the comics, tony being adopted was a plot point several times, with the best known version of this story being him as an alien... or genetically modified clone made by aliens? One of the two. For the MCU, it makes 100% perfect sense to make him a DOOM variant instead. It harkens back to the comics, it serves the narrative purposes of setting up doomsday and concluding the multiverse saga, it's perfect. Though, I will say they could reverse the direction of this, and make DOOM an adopted tony. If I recall, DOOM also has some versions of his origin story where he was adopted, so they could easily swing the opposite. In fact, one one-of multiverse story was a case where they... was it a body swap or being swapped at birth? I don't recall, but I do know that they finished with a green and silver iron man suit, a red and gold DOOM suit, and birth-tony as DOOM winning.
I just hate that we're jumping straight to Secret Wars with Doom. It's lame that we have to piggyback off of RDJ to get people interested in Marvel's premier villain.
Its because people don't have patience. I feel like Kang could have been a great villain but we just had wait. I know the Johnathan Major's incident didn't help but they could have replaced him.
They're running out of time so it had to be done. MCU cast members are only getting older. We are getting to some of the best stories in Marvel comics without Cap and Iron Man already.
Doom being RDJ Iron Man would be so dope. Imagine the armor he'd have with the best high tec stuff mixed with magic from the like sof Dr Strange with the power to cross between realities.
Theres a story in comics where Tony is adopted after Arno Stark, the biological child of the Starks, is born messed up & hidden away. Endgame prgenancy problem solved.
I think it is more likely that this doom-looking RDJ is the variant that the Doom family adopted/ kidnapped him thanks to Hydra in this F4 timeline, not our main timeline MCU Tony being the variant of this new Doom
When Stark said “time messes with you back,” in Endgame he was referring to himself? Sounds to me like they’re giving him Iron Lads backstory and replacing it with Doom instead of Kang.
My theory is: rdj soctor doom saw how much marvel fell after iron man death so he decided to take revenge by erasing the multiverse, so yeah it fits the completely justified action you said.
In the comics Mistress Death brought Thanos back to life and charge him with killing half the population of the universe (Thanos Quest Part 1) when he got the Infinity Gems he did it in a single snap to impress her.
This theory can’t be right. because when Tony went back in time to get the infinity stone in End Game, he saw his dad and his father was talking about his mother being pregnant with him at the time
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The man just said multi-universe because he wanted to avoid the word "multiverse" due to recent hate towards it, I think. But I am totally on board with this storyline
Like they keep the heroes around for future movies it would be good to keep popular villans around for future movies. Thats why people want another actor for Doom because we all know theyre not paying Downey after these 2 movies to keep playing him. Dr. Doom would be a great one to come up again.
GO DISNEY GO!!!! MARVEL is doing great things with the MCU I can't wait to see what AVENGERS: Doomsday gives us, interesting take on RDJ being Dr. Doom and playing an actual variant of Iron Man AKA Tony Stark! They casted the right name in Robert Downy JR, I know Spider-Man will play a major role in Avengers: Secret Wars and the Fantastic Four, I am happy.
The thing that I don't understand is why this is some crazy theory? ... If using the same actor as Ironman & he's coming from the Fantastic 4 universe, how else could it be explained? ... Wouldn't that mean it would have to be that way no matter what? Anyhow, I do sincerely love the whole idea here. ... Just would like to hear another way they could do it with RDJ & have it all make sense without destroying the Ironman storyline they already told? You know? What are the opposing theorys out there that this is going against?
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Hmm, im not sure how dr doom would be the bad guy if he is trying to prevent multiverse pruning. I think it would be more interesting if dr doom was iron man from the universe where thanos won in endgame. Maybe thanos leaves stark alive as the only person in his universe or something.
The '4th' Fantastic '4' movie should just release on April 4th in 2044 because that'll be 4-4-44 Johnny-Ben-Sue & Richard though that'll probably not happen if I'm being honest 😂😂😂😂
But in Endgame Howard tells Tony his wife is pregnant!? Are you implying she miscarried and they adopted victor? Or what? There is a comic story where Victor steals Tony’s body via a machine he built. But then again Tony kinda replaces the role Reed has as Dooms college roommate in that story? Then again if Doom is more of an entire MCU villain as opposed to a Fantastic 4 villain it would make sense.. kinda.
Yeah I think that theory is sound big man and I think that I would like it very much and everyone else would, nostalgia at it's beat expecially the relationship with spiderman and vvd
Maybe this Docter Doom is from a different universe and that's why he looks like Tony Stark. A timeline so different that a person with similar DNA to Tony Stark. Or maybe its a variant of Tony Stark so different that his backstory is Doctor Doom and no connection to his Tony Stark backstory.
I think this is effing stupid. They have already established that there can be different characters that look alike in the multiverse. It’s the multiverse saga. Trying to make him Tony is unnecessarily complicated and it dilutes the character. Don’t we want a future post reboot mcu where Tony and Doom coexist and are unique characters. This theory really fucks with that.
How does that explain End Game and what they did with Howard Stark and his wife being pregnant ? If they then adopt? WHY DO YOU NEVER TALK ABOUT THAT. I need to hear how to make that make sense.
Dumb idea and just leave it be, don’t recon anything Tony Stark did. He died a hero, so id Marcel even try to change something. They ruin Stark’s character. I don’t think they’ll do this.
That makes no sense and is quite stupid in terms of what that would mean for the audience's view of the character. It would be retroactively ruining a character and their legacy. I don't think Marvel Studios is going to completely assassinate the one character that started this whole cinematic universe.
Ridiculously silly retcon I hope it’s blasphemy Thanos could have been right by tryna prevent Galactus unbeknownst to him Doom can start out as a “Tony stark” of sokovia (rather than latveria ) mad about same issues as the twins
Doubt it but hey let’s bring ghost rider back has Henry cavil with the 07 storyline also let’s make micheal b Jordan the new black panther and in another universe and in that universe Chadwick was killmonger then let’s make wakanda in America as well…. Screw it while I’m here since we’ve already introduced doctor strange why not tap into the demonic side of marvel with ghost rider ahahahha I love ghost rider gtg
Leave the original iron man's legacy alone. It's great the way it is. Everything doesn't need to be twist and turn. Sometimes guys be trying to do too much.
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I think we, ourselves, actually branched off into an alternate universe where RDJ is doom. lol
The first 16 years essentially are just getting the marvel universe back together, then after, we can see storylines we know and love with ALL the characters.
The nature vs. nurture angle is a brilliant play. Tony was adopted into a wealthy family, so he didn't do anything heroic with his life until he was forced into a cave and had to fight his way out.
If that same person was born into abject poverty in a war-ravaged country, oppressed by a tyrannical government, and watched his witch mother burned at the stake, that innate genius would've come out sooner.
Victor's whole life could play out on-screen, where instead of 40-yo Tony building a suit, we see teenage Victor inventing Doombots to overthrow the evil baron who killed his mom.
Decades later, he rules over a country, has a big family, lives in a castle--it's the same person on a darker path, leading another life.
Plus, if Howard & Maria only adopted a Latverian orphan in ONE timeline, Stark ain't coming back from elsewhere in the multiverse.
That would be fitting! Disney is giving the HERO of the MCU the good ol’ Luke Skywalker treatment😢
Green milk straight from the giant cow giraffe critter's tits... 😂
We really need to consider just why starks parents were killed and just how they came across Victors family and his adoption!! If the Red Skull knew of the potential due to his access with the cube this would be mind bogglinly incredible
Realistically Kevin Feige and the MCU basically made Thanos, similar to Apocalypse in that Apocalypse believed in survival of the fittest and wasn’t just went about it terribly
We shouldn’t be so proud to read things like “We have to get this character 100% right”
Like duh! You should strive to get EVERYTHING 100% right! Otherwise don’t bother.
I think you’re for the most part right. I like this idea. Because the TVA have made it clear that multiple times that Kang pretty much simplified the timeline
I gotta say, I really do not like the idea that TS was adopted. They already went through so much effort to make his father look like him. It’d make way more sense if Doctor Doom is the variant of TS that was adpoted by the Von Dooms.
Its annoying when fans demand things be exactly like the comics. If it works, why not do something new?? Comics arent the only ones that can create new ideas
That's like undoing the whole character. Just give me regular, simple to Follow Doom.
Yeah it seems like erasing Tony Stark's story.
When Tony meets his dad in Endgame, he was surprised to hear his mother is expecting. This may be a little clue that can help your theory that Tony is actually adopted by the Starks.
I went back and watched this scene recently. It’s VERY weird looking back at it now post doom announcement. Another thing that pairs up with it is why he had to die in Endgame. Maybe Dr strange saw him “turning evil” and made sure he died then BEFOREHAND so he killed two birds with one stone defeated thanos and evil “Tony” not realizing it’s not actually Tony.
Who was surprised? There was no surprise. The father didn’t know how far along she was by months, only by size. That’s no indication of adoption.
@@WawaMarvel the timing seemed to Surprise Tony.
Tony's reaction to that always bothered me. We was very surprised
This right here. In the comics, tony being adopted was a plot point several times, with the best known version of this story being him as an alien... or genetically modified clone made by aliens? One of the two. For the MCU, it makes 100% perfect sense to make him a DOOM variant instead. It harkens back to the comics, it serves the narrative purposes of setting up doomsday and concluding the multiverse saga, it's perfect. Though, I will say they could reverse the direction of this, and make DOOM an adopted tony. If I recall, DOOM also has some versions of his origin story where he was adopted, so they could easily swing the opposite. In fact, one one-of multiverse story was a case where they... was it a body swap or being swapped at birth? I don't recall, but I do know that they finished with a green and silver iron man suit, a red and gold DOOM suit, and birth-tony as DOOM winning.
I just hate that we're jumping straight to Secret Wars with Doom. It's lame that we have to piggyback off of RDJ to get people interested in Marvel's premier villain.
Its because people don't have patience. I feel like Kang could have been a great villain but we just had wait. I know the Johnathan Major's incident didn't help but they could have replaced him.
@@thanerosfacts I even think it time to recast black panther
They're running out of time so it had to be done. MCU cast members are only getting older. We are getting to some of the best stories in Marvel comics without Cap and Iron Man already.
I feel you bro :/ Fuck the old Disney ceo he ruined everything
How old are you if you don’t mind me asking
Doom being RDJ Iron Man would be so dope. Imagine the armor he'd have with the best high tec stuff mixed with magic from the like sof Dr Strange with the power to cross between realities.
That can work and have it where Cap found out when he went back in time that Tony is really adopted.
Your Tony… your Ironman.
I am your Doom
The mustache made him a hero!
Henry Cavill as Mister Sinister BECAUSE he was Superman.
Ive thought this too. Makes sense why we dont have a Reed. I believe Doom and Reed must compete for the other to exist.
Theres a story in comics where Tony is adopted after Arno Stark, the biological child of the Starks, is born messed up & hidden away. Endgame prgenancy problem solved.
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@@ThePorterStyle Yes. Thank you.
Too True, only Arno's DNA could activate the special battle suit I think.
Expect for when Tony and Cap went back in time in Endgame. Howard Stark said his wife was pregnant, and it was just about Tony's time of birth
Easily could've been Arno Stark. Look him up if you're not familiar.
@@chillininthebasementit was definitely TONY smh what a lame theory
@@davidjones8043 Look up the story with Arno & get bsck to me when you have the requisite knowledge.
I think it is more likely that this doom-looking RDJ is the variant that the Doom family adopted/ kidnapped him thanks to Hydra in this F4 timeline, not our main timeline MCU Tony being the variant of this new Doom
When Stark said “time messes with you back,” in Endgame he was referring to himself? Sounds to me like they’re giving him Iron Lads backstory and replacing it with Doom instead of Kang.
In the The Ultimates comics Tony Stark is Kang!
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See if this happens so many people are going to be fucking piss off. Just make Robert Downey Jr. variant of Tony Stark turn into Doom
My theory is: rdj soctor doom saw how much marvel fell after iron man death so he decided to take revenge by erasing the multiverse, so yeah it fits the completely justified action you said.
In the comics Mistress Death brought Thanos back to life and charge him with killing half the population of the universe (Thanos Quest Part 1) when he got the Infinity Gems he did it in a single snap to impress her.
RDJ was brought back to save the Marvel Cinematic Universe. That's all.
Yup
They still need to make a story tho 😂
I think youre cooking
Go back and watch Tony and Howard in the elevator in Endgame, it makes sense when you watch Tony's reaction
Your theory actually makes sense
I cant believe they made kang a loki and ant man villain 😂
We need a Tom Cruise Ironman in the Doomsday story.
So when Tony went back to the 70s and met Howard and Howard was talking about his wife being pregnant, that wasn't Tony? Who was it?
Arno Stark.
Lost the pregnancy?
@@samagog Arno Stark. Look him up.
Yall looking into this too much. All they gonna do is try to make sense of this casting. Nothing in past movies is a hint to now
@WawaMarvel Bruh. References, or connective tissue, is exactly how the MCU works.
This theory can’t be right. because when Tony went back in time to get the infinity stone in End Game, he saw his dad and his father was talking about his mother being pregnant with him at the time
The man just said multi-universe because he wanted to avoid the word "multiverse" due to recent hate towards it, I think. But I am totally on board with this storyline
Wait so RDJ is actually playing a variant of Dr Doom not the actual character Dr Doom?
Like they keep the heroes around for future movies it would be good to keep popular villans around for future movies. Thats why people want another actor for Doom because we all know theyre not paying Downey after these 2 movies to keep playing him. Dr. Doom would be a great one to come up again.
GO DISNEY GO!!!! MARVEL is doing great things with the MCU I can't wait to see what AVENGERS: Doomsday gives us, interesting take on RDJ being Dr. Doom and playing an actual variant of Iron Man AKA Tony Stark! They casted the right name in Robert Downy JR, I know Spider-Man will play a major role in Avengers: Secret Wars and the Fantastic Four, I am happy.
This is what I’ve been saying!!!!!
The thing that I don't understand is why this is some crazy theory? ... If using the same actor as Ironman & he's coming from the Fantastic 4 universe, how else could it be explained? ... Wouldn't that mean it would have to be that way no matter what?
Anyhow, I do sincerely love the whole idea here. ... Just would like to hear another way they could do it with RDJ & have it all make sense without destroying the Ironman storyline they already told?
You know? What are the opposing theorys out there that this is going against?
I honestly wasn’t with your theory at first…but now it all makes sense.
13:32 a Dr disrespect you might say
I love this theory, would definitely help explain why he looks the same
I still love this theory🤗
That would be ridiculous. We are just trying to fit things in. He’s a different person like Jonny storm
The more you (and the live stream chat) got on this theory the better it sounds.
The stones burnt his face at the end!
MCU Thanos is an environmentalist confirmed.
This would be the only way it would make sense
Absolutely love the theory!
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They could pull it off
I hope that RDJ is not the real Doctor Doom.
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Josh I like it!
This would be a cool story to tell if that’s the one they tell!!
Hmm, im not sure how dr doom would be the bad guy if he is trying to prevent multiverse pruning.
I think it would be more interesting if dr doom was iron man from the universe where thanos won in endgame. Maybe thanos leaves stark alive as the only person in his universe or something.
Loki and doom are both green....
Yes!!! i like this....
If iron man was always dr doom how come nobody ever talked about but now?
Zack Snyder made 3 new storyboards for a JL Trilogy lol bruh bro
Zack Snyder will use his for the first chapters
The '4th' Fantastic '4' movie should just release on April 4th in 2044 because that'll be 4-4-44 Johnny-Ben-Sue & Richard though that'll probably not happen if I'm being honest 😂😂😂😂
I don’t get it …. I need to watch this again !
Cool
What did you just say about Tony Stark🤯
So its like "What If"?......
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Someone tell me, Wasn’t Tony Starks Mother pregnant? Howard told him she was pregnant
but how does the timeline make sense? if he's a variant in the 60's , how would he been middle aged In iron man taking place in 2008?
So is there a definitive Tony Stark or does Stark equal Doom in every universe determined by upbringing?
In endgame whn tony travelled to the past Maria stark was pregnant
So I don’t think 616 tony isn’t an adopted doom
Could've been Arno Stark. Look him up.
But in Endgame Howard tells Tony his wife is pregnant!? Are you implying she miscarried and they adopted victor? Or what? There is a comic story where Victor steals Tony’s body via a machine he built. But then again Tony kinda replaces the role Reed has as Dooms college roommate in that story? Then again if Doom is more of an entire MCU villain as opposed to a Fantastic 4 villain it would make sense.. kinda.
She could've been pregnant with Arno Stark. Look him up.
As the biggest fan of iron man since I was a kid and I’m 28 now this gotta be the most dumbest shit i ever heard in my life 😂😂
Yeah I think that theory is sound big man and I think that I would like it very much and everyone else would, nostalgia at it's beat expecially the relationship with spiderman and vvd
Maybe this Docter Doom is from a different universe and that's why he looks like Tony Stark. A timeline so different that a person with similar DNA to Tony Stark. Or maybe its a variant of Tony Stark so different that his backstory is Doctor Doom and no connection to his Tony Stark backstory.
So who’s the real Tony Stark then?
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I think this is effing stupid. They have already established that there can be different characters that look alike in the multiverse. It’s the multiverse saga. Trying to make him Tony is unnecessarily complicated and it dilutes the character. Don’t we want a future post reboot mcu where Tony and Doom coexist and are unique characters. This theory really fucks with that.
I think that would be great, and then you could have someone else play Tony Stark.
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How does that explain End Game and what they did with Howard Stark and his wife being pregnant ? If they then adopt?
WHY DO YOU NEVER TALK ABOUT THAT. I need to hear how to make that make sense.
Literal definition of live long enough to see yourself become a villain😂
Gross. Let’s not undo 15+ years of character development please
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just watched the end of Iron Man and Tony is wearing a green tie xD. Just noticed it in that rewatch.
Plz no. This would ruin Tony's arc.
Dumb idea and just leave it be, don’t recon anything Tony Stark did. He died a hero, so id Marcel even try to change something. They ruin Stark’s character. I don’t think they’ll do this.
That makes no sense and is quite stupid in terms of what that would mean for the audience's view of the character. It would be retroactively ruining a character and their legacy. I don't think Marvel Studios is going to completely assassinate the one character that started this whole cinematic universe.
How? The Tony we knew was still a hero. It makes perfect sense, and is way better than the idea that Doom is a Stark variant.
It’s not on the eyes of most veiwers people will hate it if they do that
They already hate mom for messing wandas character up imagine them messing the whole history of one of the most popular heroes up
Ridiculously silly retcon
I hope it’s blasphemy
Thanos could have been right by tryna prevent Galactus unbeknownst to him
Doom can start out as a “Tony stark” of sokovia (rather than latveria ) mad about same issues as the twins
I think that you're the only one who believes in this fan theory
Overheating the Mother Boxes killing Darkseid off
After that the Multiverse Saga begins final crisis begins lol now bruh
Bet it won’t
Doubt it but hey let’s bring ghost rider back has Henry cavil with the 07 storyline also let’s make micheal b Jordan the new black panther and in another universe and in that universe Chadwick was killmonger then let’s make wakanda in America as well…. Screw it while I’m here since we’ve already introduced doctor strange why not tap into the demonic side of marvel with ghost rider ahahahha I love ghost rider gtg
Or how about they do a good adaptation of Doom
So, basically 616 would be like a negative version like -616 thats the opposite or something?
Leave the original iron man's legacy alone. It's great the way it is. Everything doesn't need to be twist and turn. Sometimes guys be trying to do too much.
Bro, you I really don’t agree with this statement. I think this statement is not very smart at all.
Lame
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