PRE-ARRIVAL: Fully involved garage and car behind 20 Magna Drive, Coplay PA.
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- Опубликовано: 5 июн 2019
- At 5:43PM Thursday afternoon, Coplay and Whitehall Fire was dispatched to the area of 9th and Chestnut Streets for a structure fire. On arrival, Whitehall Assistant Chief Bilder found a fully involved garage and car with a tree burning and exposure to the dwelling behind 20 Magna Drive.
Whitehall Engine 13 (LC3811) arrived and stretched a 2 1/2" line to the garage and car. Engine 3 (LC3831) arrived second and brought in a water supply from Chestnut and 11th. Crews stretched two 1 3/4" hand lines for a total of 3 lines operating.
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Yes now being an armchair retired (capt) I am going to give the firefighters on the nozzle E for effort, but regarding (based on observation) fire-ground command and control it was seriously lacking. Properties such as this vehicle unless posing an exposure threat should not consume initial (limited) resources and water supply. This vehicle based on involvement and age was a low priority. The structure and its contents (propane, acetylene, gasoline containers, etc.) and other exposures structures were priority for quick knockdown. Also a recommendation which circles back to command and control whenever personnel is limited often can accomplished more with a smaller handline 1-3/4 or 2 inch. But hey the fire was successfully extinguished!
The fire from the car caught the tree on fire, which would’ve created other problems. Also the car was very close to that other house. No idea why a second line wasn’t pulled sooner. The house was a loss from the get-go
Perfect video of how not to attack a fire or protect the exposures.
Love it at 4:10, a raging fire 25 feet away & they're washing the car.
I been on couple calls like this when I was a volunteer for St.Helens Oregon. I enjoy watching your Videos and being back some good memories thank you.
beautiful classic cadillac...such a sad end for this old lady
Good observation on the guy helping pull the first line, noticing the power lines burning. Always be aware of your surroundings!!!!!!
I agree with the retired D/C. The 1 3/4 line and the FF knocked down more fire than the other two probies
Great Early Footage. Keep up the good work,love your videos from Chicago
Great video. Its easy to criticize when watching videos like this but I'm sure that some of the fire scenes I've been on could draw criticism just as much as this one did. They could've gotten that second line going sooner, but once they got organized they made a good knock down. Just watch where you're aiming your nozzle, you don't want to blast another crew in the face. I've had it happen. Also be aware of your surroundings.
Sad loss of that classic Caddy. Hope no one hurt and they saved the trees.
That was a perfect time to use the Deck Gun . Knock down the garage and put water on the house behind the garage . That would have given them enough time to get a water supply to the Engine .
And the engine should have picked up a hydrant on the way in .
And I only watched the first 3 minutes ...
Another great video, thank you
This is the 10th video I’ve seen of firefighters going at this speed; something isn’t right. I’m not a firefighter but i am a homeowner and if I saw this speed I’d freak out.
Looks difficult for them to use a 2. 1/2 inch on car fire /fully involved garage,in my fire fighting career we would of pulled inch and half lines 1for vehicle and couple others for garage structures and dropped a supply line rolling in to incident and then what ever else is needed for incident great filming 👍👍😎🚒🚒👨🚒👨🚒
40 years ago we had 2 1 inch hose reels on each engine. Due to no room here to maneuver I was thinking the one inch for the vehicle and 2 1.5 inch lines for the structure. Appeared to be shortage of manpower at first. As a ex volunteer I was used to that.
pipesmoker my last engine had 2 inch and half cross lay one inch three quarter crosslay in rear compartment 300 feet 1!inch for small vegetation fires and large diameter supply line and one rear live line inch half and of course 2 and half in for large streams and larger surround and drowned
retired deputy chief here, (not from this dept) one thing i always told my men was "what ever you do, do not become a what not to do youtube training video". NOW OBVIOUSLY NONE OF US WERE THERE AND WE DO NOT HAVE ALL THE DETAILS BUT... where was command? was a 360 done? why a bulky 2 1/2 when even a single 1 3/4 with someone that knows how to use it could put out more fire than these guys did from the start. exposure control? who cares about the phone lines that are burning or the car, protecting the other structures and life should be priority in this instance! i know manpower comes at a premium these days but you have to train with what you have and train often. total lack of initial effort on just about everyone's part here. remember you can never train enough for a job that will kill you! stay safe brothers!
well said
I'm a fan of "big fire, big water," so I didn't mind the 2 1/2. Big handlines, however, are not for car fires. Take that line beyond the car and hit the structure fire. Next guy in grab a co2 and hit the car. The guy on the 1 3/4 pulled an unsafe move when he attacked the car fire by pointing his stream directly toward the guys on the other hose.
Who said this was a training exercise. I didn't see that anywhere
@@pault7748 I think his comment was basically, though this was a real fire, due to all the mistakes (that he mentioned), it would make a good "what not to do training" video.
Couldn’t agree with you more!!!! They have no idea how much fire you can fight with 1 3/4 line.
Another excellent video Bill good job first on scene
Thanks Tom!
Great job!
Awesome footage ! That car 🚗 just didn't want to stop 🔥 burning. 😨
The same goes for Trump!!!
It appeared to me with 2 fire trucks, the should've been at least two hoses deployed upon arrival. The 2nd doesn't appear until a few minutes later. Up to 8 minutes. Great video!
Great work Bill. Newsworking is #1
Debbie MacCabe thanks Debbie
Like always, there to help us great job heroes.
Quality video Bill, good work!
Great job, you almost put a car fire out with a 2 1/2" and 500 gallons of water.
Are you a certified firefighter
Car fire hhahah funny
Matt Iverson sure looks like there is a house on fire car and trees
Porous ikr
jajajajaja,....
you all did a very good job putting out the fire I salute you all
Hey Bill another great video wow that's bad
Thanks Beth
Two 1.5's ..one on house/car/tree the other on garage and the lines would not have lit up. Time to run some run some set up drills.
Liked the Jedi with the green fire hood......use the force to direct the stream.
Stay safe guys!👍
I guess the motto of the day is "straight stream every time, all the time'
Smooth bore is all we run on our dept. Every line, every highrise pack. Only exception is the booster line.
That poor nozzleman. Next time your backup really needs to put in more of an effort to help maneuver the line and take some of the brunt off of him.
Messy as always .... thanks for posting ! Nice footage!
2-1/2" line on the car...1-1/2 "Booster" line on the structure? WTF? That's a fail!
still the booster had more effect than the bulky 2-1/2 lol
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Looks like it's their 1st Fire!
Omg....As a retired first asst chief and instructor, all I can say is, no comment.
Thanks for not defending them, which is the usual FF response. Cold molasses moves faster
That was a very sweet Cadillac !
It's sad about the old Caddy :(
You think thats old, my cadillac is 62 years old! Lol.
It seems to me as an non fire fighter that the US departments invest in very large trucks but two turn up and only one hose for a while. Seems a mismatch between equipment and initial fire control.
In the US we have volunteer fire departments. These are less trained/funded than a "normal" FD. So sometimes this happens. Look at FDNY of LAFD even TFR. Multiple trucks multiple lines involved, and a command structure. Look up David Decker's channel on RUclips. He is a battalion chief from Newark OH. That how it is normally done in this country.
A 2 and half on a car and garage? The nozzleman on the inch and three quarters made the hit better.
And when they pull the 1 3/4 everyone bitches they should have pulled the blitz line. Firefighters can't win with the onlookers and keyboard chiefs LOL
Big fire big water...
You can put out a lot of fire with an 1 3/4
That was my observation as well. Maybe they should have had a more experienced person on the 2 and half , also looked as if the backup firefighter had trouble handling the line.
@@brownhousefarm You can put out a hell of a lot more with a 2.5
Save the structure , the hell with the car .
I'd think, that as the car is in their way.... they have to at least dampen it down!
I don’t think they were trying to save the car. They were knocking down the fire on the car to protect the exposure to the left of it. The other side of the fire building doesn’t have anything that can catch.
@@TheVideoArsenal Rubbish , give the exposure to the left a good drenching if you think it needs it.
@@TheVideoArsenal They were not trying to save anything, just keeping it from spreading is all
The car has to be put out first so that they can get between the car and the building.
A working structure fire no one laid out and only one hose line for a fire this is sad
Carroll Wynn i’m at 3:59 thinking “why isn’t there at least a second line on this?” had to see if someone thought the same thing
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Good job.
Where? In PA?
Another bang up job by Whitehall FD
That’s a garage fire, car fire, house fire, tree fire, all in one.
Nice Video! 05:20 and 05:54 looks like the 1 3/4 line is throwing out more water than the 2 1/2.
I am not a firefighter but this is the slowing group I have ever seen.
Although I would not pull a booster line. It was still very effective. Good job...
Fire rescue, I have a tip: use next time Earleyer a second Dan third fire hose...
the 2.5 hoseman is definitely being handled by the hose more than he/she is handling the hose.
Also, DO NOT STAND UNDER WIRES THAT HAVE BEEN EXPOSED TO HEAT FELLAS, very unsafe scene
here in the netherlands we already water on it in 20 seconds after arrival
salute, always the spirit of greetings firefighters 💪💪💪
two separate fires and one line for first several minutes. enough manpower on scene to handle each fire individually. would have avoided later cross fire of hose streams hitting hose men, and allowed for direct stream on garage and on car by two lines. fortunate that the garage was unattached.
James Dziendziel very fortunate!!!
Perfect opportunity to utilize the deck gun, rather than have a couple of newbies struggling with that 2.5"
What a hot car
Please
Give the firefighter prober training
this video obviously shows that the Cadillac just wasn’t going down without a epic fight
Why, in the USA does it take so long to get water on the fire and with two appliances why only one hose?
It's always the same.
Because our hoses are hard to manage and volunteers don't train enough to be good at it
Too many Democrats.
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Glad they saved the car.
Holy cow 😮
You can't put out a car fire unless you start with the tires. Tires retain an enormous amount of heat and can reignite unless adequately cooled.
As if the car could've been saved, lol
never seen anyone manhandle a 2.5 like that. But yea the structure .
Why is the car the attack? Fully involved garage with exposure should be the priority. Don't stand under electric lines!
A detached structure that is fully involved is less of a priority then an object that when the breaks fail can roll delivering fire to what ever it hits even with the tires already popped/melted. You also have the burning car in the way of access to the burning structure so need to get it in a state you can then stand by it as you attack the main fire.
@@TheUserid82 your own words, car tires blown on passenger side. Car not rolling any place. It is obvious there is another structure not involved behind the garage. Fire tactics sir!
Car was closer to house.
@@brainfreeze44131 looking to the rear of the garage you can clearly see the roof of another structure. PART OF being an office is not to get tunnel vision.
You have to get past the vehicle to get to the structure. I want the vehicle put out for safety. There was no room to go safely around..
Big fire big hose! Can't tell you how many times I see an attack with 1 1/2.
The American wood-plastic stalls burn very well. Let it burn and then you can sweep up the ashes, easier to clean up
Is the first engine inn usually have a capt on or a lutentite that assumes command
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I see they really conserve water in that town.
Are they using caf? I didn't notice that at first, so maybe the 2.5 is correct in this situation. Company SOPs might have them use the 2.5 first on a involved structure.
Hot !🔥
Also, there are a number of comments about darkening down the car fire first.
Understandably, exposure protection should be a priority at any fire especially when the original fire building is fully involved and beyond saving.
However in this situation it appears there are two exposures being threatened. One is visible directly behind the car (with visible radiant heat damage already) and one beyond the burning garage.
Both need protection.
When the initial line is in position to knock down the car fire it IS protecting one of the exposures. The one most easily protected at the time.
Consider this situation.
What happens when the 2 1/2 bypasses the “insignificant” car fire? The crew is operating on the garage when a fuel line on the car fails.
Now the hose crew is stuck between a fully involved garage and a flammable liquids fire with a unmanageable 2 1/2.
What would the comments be then? “Should have put the car out first”??.......
Fire ground and hose crew common sense is that the hose crew never passes a fire.
The crew should never be, or allow their own actions to place themselves in a position where the fire is or can eventually get behind them.
i was waiting for the Caddy's gas tank to explode...rats! lol. thanks. Subscribed.
Wow listen to the crackle sound and popping
There’s a lot of comments faulting the use of a 2 1/2 line.
It is common for departments to lead off with 2 1/2 lines on exterior attack fires.
Everyone throws around the phrase “Big fire, Big water”. Well......
I personally wouldn’t consider this to be “Big fire” but other people may.
We also don’t hear any prior dispatch or radio audio. If this was reported as, or confirmed to be, fully involved early on then there is no reason not to start thinking 2 1/2 coming down the street.
A report of a “fully involved garage” fire and a vehicle fire could be anything.
Pull up to a Single story garage with the car outside.......maybe in hindsight the 2 1/2 was a little much to lead off with.
Pull up to a large two car garage with the vehicles inside.......stretching the big line is not necessarily wrong.
Dare I say the word foam?
personally knowing a lot of Fire Fighters, I'd ask that all these fire fighters get a BAL test. the two on the 2 1/2 were in trouble, one or two more men on that would have been nice to see.
Too bad that Cadillac was destroyed, but at least they put out the fire.
something very serious hope no one got injured or hurt
Deck gun for the win captain
nice video man also check out 10 alarm see Jeff stang fire p4 inferno marcal paper factory a must see unbelievable wow
They were really interested in saving that beam.
I say this all the time, just because the book says big fire pull a big line you need to think first. One thing I see is the person on the big line never has it open all the way. The next thing is they don't have a water supply yet. Lastly they can't control it very well due to lack of manpower. I could of gotten better results with a wide open 1 3/4" line than they did. Keep the big lines on the truck for a house fire.
Kudos to all firefighters BUT: there are obvious mistakes but I think the worst was the lead guy on the 2 1/2 ending up having it pointed directly on his face. Made me cringe!
I am British so....look at that classic in front garden,in the driveway,my dad would be crying if he saw that
The firefighter with the 1 3/4 Basically did the job alone
Why the 2.5" attack line for the car?
Way to go Frank..
Never mind the Caddy guys, hit the fire that's threatening the exposures.
As a retired career firefighter, it's the worst hose work I've seen in a while. You have the main body of fir, exposures, overhead lines , and these guys are worried about totally extinguishing the caddy. What are they teaching them in the academy.
@@robertniklas4260Not saying this to belittle them, or be a dick...but are we sure they've even been through a proper academy?
My condolences go out to the Cadillac owner.😥
The fd that ordered the 1 1/2 to hit the caddy forced fire on the 2 1/2 crew bad decision
That is a 2 1/2"
@@ed-gw3ov At 5:58
Non-fire fighter here, so no flames please (pun intended), but what I noticed is that it took 3 minutes from the time that the 2 1/2" hose was laid out, until the 1 3/4" hose was laid out. Why couldn't they pull both of these hoses out at the same time?
I don't know about decisions on which one to use, but they had 2 fire trucks there and it seemed that they just took a long time to get the hoses out.
Good 'ol vinyl siding! Has NFPA done any tests on flammability/flame spread on that junk? Who wants molten plastic dropping on them!
That was too bad that guys car & his garage was on fire ! 😢
I see the following happen all the time, and it never makes any sense to me: FFs will spend twenty seconds or so dousing a vehicle, then ignore it and let it burn for another five minutes rather than putting it out completely. I would presume that a fire in the rear wheel-well is in close proximity to the gas tank.
A lot of Monday morning quarterbacks commenting. The fire is out, nobody was hurt, nobody died. Nice job!
Well, the answer is - you don't want Monday morning quarterbacks, don't put it on youtube.
Save the tree!!!
I understand the concerns, but there was a gas tank under the Caddy that could have been a very bad problem.
Do you know what happened at 1245 cedar crest blvd across from the hospital thurs afternoon?
Tell us..................
My only wish as an old firefighter is that younger firefighters would learn there are more and just straight stream in the nozzle!
Gonna need a new Hooptie
RIP Caddy
Nice video
What Channel?
I knew when the fire truck pulled up that firemen going to put the fire out
Save the car
It sure is a shame to see that nice Caddy go up in flames! 😢