Why Don't I Discuss Kyudo?
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- I often get questions about why I don't talk about kyudo or shoot a yumi. While technically it was the first Asiatic form of archery I experienced, there's very little I can talk about. I share my brief exposure with Japanese archery and explore why you can't learn it at any archery club.
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Kyudo is to archery what a tea ceremony is to have a quick cup at lunch.
This is why I love your channel. You never try to be something you're not. I have been doing Kyudo for five years (2nd dan). We have a saying when people ask what's the difference between regular archery and Kyudo. The response: Ya know the Japanese tea cermony? Well, There's drinking tea and there's Japanese tea ceremony. There's regular archery and there's Kyudo. There is a lot more form and formality. The funny thing is also talking with Kyudo practioners. "Kyudo" is kyudo. "Archery" means Western archery or basically everything else. As a "western" archer who took up kyudo, the beginner's courses that most schools set up are so that you can see what it's all about and judge for yourself. It's not for everyone.
I run a Kyudo club in Zagreb, Croatia and I've been a subscriber of this channel for years now.
Your content was (and is) very relevant to me as a kyudoka even if you don't discuss kyudo as such.
A long time ago I asked you something related to kyudo and the answer you gave let me to believe that you have kyudo experience but distinctly refuse to talk about it.
I'm glad you posted this video as it clears up a lot.
From my point of view kyudo and archery (and any other skill) are essentially the same thing: walking, breathing, looking, taking care of your equipment. your body and your mind. It is just that in kyudo, all those things are preloaded and codified. You develop and require all those things in archery in general, but you start shooting the bow and it is up to you to figure out most of those other things.
This being an archery channel, I would have expected more that you would mention archery technique in kyudo rather than walking or kneeling (lots and lots of kneeling).
For example, a thing that might be interesting (at least to send people on a video hunt) is yugaeri - the shooting method in kyudo has the bow do a 360 (well, 270 actually) turn as it is shot, leaving the string on the outside of the arm.
He did mention that the extent of his kyudo knowledge was a 3 hour beginner's class.
@@Charon73 agreed
Pozdrav 😁. Kolega iz Osijeka ovdje. Mi nazalost nemam nikakav klub za nista vezano uz streličarstvo ovdje. A pogotov nista tradicionalno. Osobno me najvise vuku azijatski lukovi, palac i to sve.
Znas li mozda ima li u Hrvatskoj kakav dobar shop za kupovat strijele i opremu za tradicionalno strelicarstvo? Ili mozda iz Europe nesto da mozes preporucit? Ebay mi je prespor i nepouzdan sto se tice kvalitete.
@@gizmonomono u Zagrebu ima shop koji se zove "Hunter & KŽ" gdje sam vidio da imaju nešto tradicionalnih lukova (imaju nešto i na webshopu). Osim toga, isplati se obići srednjovjekovne sajmove. Za Kyudo - u Osjeku živi bivša članica kluba koju već godinama vabimo da pokrene klub tamo, javim ako se ikada dogodi. Trenutno imaju dva kluba u Zagrebu, jedan u Zadru i par ljudi u Sisku.
Mi opremu za Kyudo naručujemo iz japana (najčešće iz Asahi Kyugu) ili iz njemačke za potrošni materijal (strune, strijele, prašci i sl.); Kao jeftinija varijanta, znam da u Mađarskoj ima lik koji proizvodi yumije i dosta ljudi iz Hrvatske i okolnih zemalja koriste njegove.
Kad trenutna situacija prođe i klubovi se ponovno otvore, ako se nađeš u Zagrebu javi se u Kyudo Klub Itachi za demonstraciju, kavu i priču o Kyudu.
@@btearspell Važi. Svakako bi volio upoznat ljude koji se bave bilo kojim oblikom strelicarstva. Kod nas je jako mala ta scena. Hvala ti na informacijama 😁
I like to listen to kyudo tournaments while studying. It's like cafeteria ambient noise but more calming .
Kyudo for me is much more about an approach to living as compared to the place that regular field archery seems to hold for its practitioners. I recently attended the AKA (Australian Kyudo Association) 10th Anniversary National Seminar and Taikai (Competition) and the head sensei, 7-dan Takeuchi Masakuni, spoke about how the way of the bow (i.e. Kyudo) and the way of Zen is the same way. I find this to be a central difference between Kyudo (along with potentially other asiatic styles) and the archery we might see at the Olympics for example. This deeper connection to the underlying philosophy aspect I think is integral, at least to my practice of Kyudo. But yes, we do spend quite a lot of time kneeling, and no, let's not go there.
"You spend a lot of time kneeling. Let's not go there" LOL, and you didn't.
"Kyudo isn't archery"
Exactly what I thought of when I clicked, and kind of waited for it until I heard it lol
Using a yumi can be archery, doing kyudo covers much more unrelated information that doesn't overlap with archery
But really interested that you tried it and I wish one day you could get/use yumi more too
no he doesn't talk about kyudo cause in kyudo you shoot the arrow off the right side
he a pissant
@@madhatten00 Wrong. He shoots on the right side when he does a thumb draw as they do in kyudo.
Five years ago, we attended a Convention, where they demonstrated Kyudo.
The more they explained, the more I also realized, that just shooting the bow,
is only the smallest part of what it means to do Kyudo.
Being more of a gear junkie, I had a long discussion, with the very nice Master about the shape,
and the materials used for the gear. One example is that the arrows should always have a specific
number of knots in the Bamboo. Europeans on an average are taller then the Japanese
and have problems getting the arrows in their size.
Arrows and yumis you can purchase from sarmatarchery
Did 20 years ago my first few shots with wooden takedown recurve. Not touched a bow since then. Last year it stroke me again that I liked it a lot and wanted to restart archery in some kind. Basically to counter my office job and do something totally different in my spare time. Meanwhile I relocated to Japan and found Kyudo always fascinating (and still do). So I asked and looked around try to find a place and see what the process would be. Having still a severe language barrier it is quite a challenge to find a teacher. I had the feeling it’s not yet my time. Plus my desire to quickly shoot and hit a target stand in my own way and I choose the “easier way” of Olympic recurve. Easier access to places, equipment and material to learn from; heavy supplemented by online materials like your channel, Jake’s, Ashe ... now after a year I had recently my first shots on the 70m distance, feel good about it, work a bit in my language barrier and physical form. Basically shoot for my ego. Once I get better and consistent with that style and the desire of shoot count goes down I will retry to get into Kyudo as a progression forward. Still want to understand more about it.
Kyudo looks intriguing for sure but it's a martial art and one doesn't just go do it...its about meditation and tradition and not flinging arrows
Kyudo is more like a meditation technique rather than archery ... it is the same as kata is to karate/martial arts ... at least that's what I always thought about it ... I'd love to see actual Japanese martial archery, the effective combat variety ... have to look it up somewhere ...
Here is a good start; there is still obviously a lot of ritual involved but it is closer.
ruclips.net/video/tJVC6ExVUi4/видео.html
japanese martial archery consisted of shooting off horseback so just look up yabusame
and yes you shoot of the right side cause the thumb holds your arrow in place
otherwise your arrow bounces around off your knuckles
also in koshiya kumiyumi you fire off your right side, which is their "effective" combat variety since they fire in mass
Ok man your timing could not be more perfect. I was wondering that myself and have been researching Kyudo for the sake of writing one of my stories properly (making sure I get the important details right and all). You brought up a few aspects I hadn't seen in other videos I've watched or articles I've read, so thanks for doin' this.
Love your videos and have been watching for a short time. Was wondering if you have one on instinctive shooting and aiming. If not could that be something you might cover?
Having a limited amount of experience in Kyudo, and coming from a background that LIVES archery (Korean), something I noticed is kyudo isnt archery, it's not about plucking shots downrange. The closest way I could describe it is almost like tai chi with a bow. Form, poise and control are why you do Kyudo, not to fire arrows all day long.
Like martial arts and MMA
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and being open to practising Kyudo within Melbourne Kyudo Kai, while remaining humble and respectful that you would not want to discuss Kyudo due to the lack of proper practice. I have also observed within Kyudo that one's practice is ultimately tied to the goal they have in mind, so not everyone within the community has the same concept where Kyudo is concerned.
These concepts can range from the casual practitioner who appreciates the technicality of the art, to the really passionate practitioners who embody the art as a form of lifestyle. That said, I have encountered archers within the modern / asiatic archery forms who have very similar spectrums of passion towards their own art. It has certainly taught me that despite Kyudo's presence and way of practice as being "different", it is actually not that far off from other forms of archery as it is still the practitioners' interpretation of where they would like to go with the art form. Often it is also the argument of the philosophy of use that sees Kyudo ridiculed by archers seeking a more practical and functional form, which I do see much sense in despite being a Kyudo practitioner. That's why I am trying to find the right asiatic bow that allows similar practice of Kyudo-like techniques in the shooting aspect. That way, I can still pay respects to the asiatic form without deviating too far from my main form of practice.
That said, I do hope and look forward to seeing more of your videos so I can learn more from your perspective!
I love you I like it that you won't talk about it if you aren't that good at it and don't know that much so thank you you are a big insparasion
I feel like my comment contributed to this video (in part at least), especially with the word "protest".
I misspoke, I meant more in terms of how you see it in terms of archery as a whole.
Either way great video, good explanation. I happen to be one of those guys that bought a yumi and just shoots it traditional rather than kyudo properly. Nearest club is 3 hour drive....
Thanks for the video, I really appreciate your honest and humble approach to different styles. In general, sharing also your "failures" is a great inspiration and I really like your authentic way of presenting the awesome sport of archery. Keep up the great work, stay safe and have a good time :-)
Your respect for the art is commendable 👍🏼
In a nutshell, zen archery. Not just Kyudo, almost all east asian archery styles have spiritual/ritualistic elements in them, commonly derived from the "Six Arts" from the Zhou dynasty, later popularized by Confucian scholars (li she); because an archer has to focus on a lot of different things, both physically and mentally, in order to achieve the perfect shot, archery was considered to be the most difficult form of martial art and often used as a measuring stick for gentlemanly values, to put it simply - virtuous attitude(non-competitive)+calm mind+perfect posture = no reason to miss. You don't have to use a Yumi to think in Kyudo, hell you can shoot an English war bow utilising the Kyudo mindset, it's not about war or survival, just self improvement of the mind and body.
I have watched so many of your videos (almost all...) and I have fallen in love (not the same love i have with my boys...but...) with this sport because of you! Thank you soooooooo much! Much appreciation, That Guy From Japan アノ人
I think part of the questioning stems from the Japanesesque name of the channel, and doubtless some of the inquisitors are Japanese culture "enthusiasts" from the West.
I can appreciate the ritual part of kyudo. But in aspect of those mental thing (focusing/calm/etc) sometime emphasized in kyudo. Thay work the same way in all kinds of archery and is for better accuracy. I also heard people say not all clud in Japan do this ritual thing anyway.
…..and what you claim here is the common mistake that most people do when they say, it is in every archery form to focus / calming / etc. And kyudo is just more ritualised.
It’s NOT about focussing;
its about letting go in the way of emptying yourself.
And therefor it can’t be about calming as this means recognising and calming loud things/ thoughts etc in your mind and put a lid over it while you send an arrow down the range.
In Kyudo you let them go, so they’re not existing for you anymore when you prepare, move through the patterns at Honza and Shai and through the Hassetsus until you end up in the Zanshin ( which is NOT when the arrow is released, but the following long period AFTER release while you don’t move and feel the tension still hold up in all the three crosses of body in your tenouchi and the right hand).
So regarding this one really can’t compare the archers mindset with a kyudoka mindset.
Some minor things like calming yourself being focussed are basically the same but in general terms it’s something totally different.
It’s not about hitting the target in kyudo it’s about recognising and feeling the yumi , mato and the arrow as an extension of yourself which are alll aligned.
And this alignment is only possible with an empty mind having let go everything and NOT paying attention or focussing on your shot.
@@Ollesogge ahhh, 2 years ago... I found out that, there should be 2 kinds of Kyudo natinal match/exams in Japan. 大会 and 審查. One is score based competion, heigher points wins. Yet another is judge base on whether your form/style/status is "Correct/Good". This difference means they are totally different things to me. But In the end as long as people can enjoy shoting arrows. I should have no augrement.
I've heard that there is so much tension on the bow and the way in which it must be drawn, you can easily cut off your own ear on the release if not correctly done. I am familiar with the wide kehmidache.
I tried to post earlier but YT managed to lose it, or something!! Anyway, the short version of that post is to point out that Kyudo developed as a ritualized version of Kyūjutsu, which is the martial archery that was essential to Samurai battle tactics for hundreds of years. Kyūjutsu went the way of the English longbow, and martial archery in general, with the advent of firearms. Kyudo was developed to keep the archery tradition alive, and became an art form in itself. However you can still grab a yumi and practice Kyūjutsu, just as you can use a longbow, a Han bow or a Turkish bow for target shooting. I have a Hankyu bow from Sarmat Archery, and although I have done a lot of research on Kyudo, and have a fascination for it, I have no issues with practicing traditional Samurai Kyūjutsu as was done 600 years ago, well before the creation of Kyudo.
Yeah, yumi’s have a much higher barrier to entry than other styles. It is a shame though because I wish that we had some people with formal training who shot warbow weights up and over 80lbs so we could see what the samurai were really capable of.
Do you know what the average yumi's poundage is?
The Amazing Goldfish I don’t know an exact average but my guess would be 30-40 lbs. it is rare for a kyudo practicioner to go over 50
Kyudo yumi's and war yumi's are completely different though. A historical, war yumi is estimated to have a draw weight anywhere from 70 to 200 lbs. It's the same with Kendo, no one is taking a kendo sword into battle. The "do's" are for meditating on the art, the "jitsu's" are generally more for actual fighting.
Zapporah Mann yes, 道 do and 術 jutsu are different. But, I think it is important for a person who shoots a war weight yumi to have previous training in kyudo or a different japanese bow art. I think that anyone who attempted to jump straight into war yumi without doing so would face a number of obstacles such as lack of connection to the kyudo community and lack of familiarity with shooting an assymetric bow and the specialized glove used to shoot japanese bows.
No one would take a shinai into battle, and training in kendo is not as good as training in a koryu style, but it is better than taking a katana and trying to “fight like a samurai” without any exposure to japanese martial arts.
I love Kyudo
Once Yumi shooter took part in a Olimpic archery with his bamboo Yumi
, but he got the worst score.
Maybe it was not the best way for Yumi to compete with more qualified to precisly and fast shoot foreign bows.
Practical reason people “don’t just jump into xxxxxx”: yumi isn’t cheap. Kyudo archery glove is specialty order. Instructor so to NOT damage the bow. Arrows are longer...LONGER.
Stringing a Yumi is a whole process in itself, and very easy to twist a limb if you don't know what you're doing.
Kyudo is a ritual. Shooting a Yumi for it's own sake is a completely different thing, but one best started under the instruction of an experienced practicioner.
Gregory sensei is a noteworthy teacher and practicing Kyudo is a life altering challenge ….
Can i keep the string on if my bow has a wood handle and metal limbs, its a yn-m10? I watched tons of your videos but you always said wood - don't keep, fiber - keep, never mentioned hybrid types like mine.
I'm really curious what negative reasons people thought you might have to not talk about kyudo.
Just google Unit 731, it was practiced all over SEA
I like how kyudo looks like you're going to lose your bow hand pointer finger with each shot
Speaking of native American archery the design on your shirt looks like a "Penobscott bow".
whats the age minimum to join kyudo kai? im considering the one in sydney :)
lol they prest the bow into my hand after the fourth session
NUSensei, what about Hankyu, instead of Yumi in Kyudo? The hankyu bow is half the length of a Yumi, still draw at 1/3 of the bow. While it's used to shoot while kneeling (Let's not go there), it seems to be able shoot and maneuver like other Asiatic bow. While Yumi are used mainly in the art of Kyudo and it's emphasize on ritual and spiritual practice, Hankyu use a a practice called shihanmato, where there less ritual, but more practical. Mr. Armin Hirmer at his channel have several videos covering hankyu, ruclips.net/video/HxPyaPyP_Hw/видео.html .
I would like for you to try this out and let me know your thoughts. I watch many of your videos since I wanted to begin archery and you have given many information in archery. Thanks very much.
Kyudo is ceremonial regular archer is not
I knew basically nothing about kyudo, but after this brief introduction… I know I'm definitely not interested! Thanks.
Kyudo is not for everybody 🤷🏻♂️
Where are you from?
Australia.
tbh, it'd be a real intrest kill for me if i'd have to learn how to walk, breath and sit for months before actually shooting. I shoot olympic recurve like most of us here, and i like the score and the skill that comes with it. I assume that's not the goal of Kyudo, but for most young people, they wouldn't have the patience to learn the steps for months.
yeah for kyudo, it's all about the set up and meditation and tradition. In comps they only care about your technique and form, and if you hit the target, not where you hit.
@@benjamin3615 "[...] and if you hit the target, not where you hit"
Not always. We are taught to not care if we hit the target :)
However, we use Enkin-ho (scoring by distance from the center) in certain situations. But in most cases, incorrect form and a spectacular hit nets you nothing, while correct form and a miss counts for something at least.
For scoring, it is all about consistency - proper form and consistent hits, arrow by arrow. Izume-ho (scoring by consistency) means that everybody shoots an arrow, those who miss are disqualified; next arrow. Once it is obvious that the remaining competitors will not miss; bring out a smaller target. Rinse, repeat.
You should watch some Japanese high schoolers do kyudo and tell me they aren't trying to score as many hits as they can. The goal is to not obsess on hitting the target but not many people truly can do that.
Most of the comments on this video and channel are just people trying to get likes and have everyone else think they are smart. Nu Sensei ego brings out a lot of others. lol
You don't talk about it just because you don't know anything about it? You've still not got the hang of RUclips have you? If you don't know something just make it up, then insist that everyone else is wrong.
There's Kyudo, then there's buying a Yumi and shooting it (nothing wrong with either)
I actually think Kyudo can improve one's Archery because like many Martial Arts, it helps you relax.
I actually intentionally shot a Recurve like they do in Kyudo and my shots were fairly consistent although I'm still a noob so it could've just been luck.
From my limited knowledge, Kyudo's main goal is NOT to hit the target, but to have PERFECT form much like the Kata in Karate. In turn, this PERFECT form results in good Accuracy. It's like what Bruce Lee says "Don't think, feel". If you think too much about hitting the target and fail, it hurts your ego. But if you relax, focus on the Form, it will feel good regardless if you hit ot not.
I thought Kyudo was some weird cult you were apart of.
No, you're confusing Kyudo with Corps; the USMC is the best cult.
@@odinsoneeye7501 🥱
This sounds like scientology.
How? What does Scientology have to do with any of this ?