Just picked up some ultramarine upgrade sprues, god it was depressing opening the mail and truly seeing how little you get, especially in New Zealand with the additional "you're along way away so tough" markups.
The Reaver Titan used to cost around $750-850 US Dollars. I bought one after saving all summer. It went up to $1,420 USD overnight after GW made it's US forgeworld branch in 2018.
There's also the £/hr of hobby enjoyment to consider. You could have a £60 model that produces 10 hours of enjoyment because it's nice to put together & paint & a £50 model produces 5 hours of enjoyment & 5 hours of frustration/just get it done because it's too fanikity/detailed.
On the topic of Smaug I would just like to mention that you CAN run him in your armies in Middle Earth. But to be more precise... when you pick him he IS YOUR ARMY. Quite literally a one model army. It doesn't get much cooler than that!
Forge world: It’s expensive, sometimes just looks bad, AND it’s getting phased out of 40K for the most part. If you are intending to get forge world models to play with them, do not be surprised if they are removed extremely quickly. I made the mistake of buying a Dimachaeron when they were insane in 9th, please do not be a meta chasing dumbass like I was.
@@SnowFoxWithAGasMask True, but if I am going to kitbash stuff, then there is literally no point in buying this expensive, heavy garbage. Addendum - also made of toxic, terrible, will melt under room temperature on a hot day resin. What's not to like?
@@SnowFoxWithAGasMask They are being hyperbolic. Some resin is very toxic. GW resin is less toxic than 3d printing resin, but people breathing in resin dust are stupid, but then so are people breathing in plastic dust. GW resin doesn't melt at room temp unless you live in a desert and use your window as a magnifying lens to heat the model to about 50c.
Space Marine player when confronted with the fact he's always just been a Space Marine player that got buttered up by GW with super special boy rules, lol.
As a Drukhari player, I find it hilarious that a box set worth less than $40 (Scourges) is able to viably wound EVERYTHING ASIDE FROM THE WARLORD on a 4+ or better and do decent damage comparatively (Heat Rays)
The price of the Mastodon is what is going to make me get a 3d printer. For that price, I could just buy a printer and supplies, print the Mastodon and still have money to spare.
And still have that setup to print other ridiculously priced stuff or print other fun projects. Conclusion: a 3D printer bought for wargamming pays for itself and then some. ;)
Man, I really hope we get a full-plastic or smaller version of a mastodon in 40k. (Please don't let the guy who sculpt coteaz and primaris blood angels anywhere near it).
By rough count, there is around 18,000 serial numbered versions on the forums of JUST the imperial and chaos Titan walkers. You have to remember warhammer isn’t just played by the average blue collar guy. It’s also played by people to whom £1000 isn’t an issue to spend in a month or two.
@@SenseiLlama you'll be surprised at how costly ANY hobbies can get when you want to go to top of the line, that only adults who have money to spare can afford it...
@@SenseiLlama I mean this is the top end. Timmy the 14 year old won’t be able to buy the massive Titan. But you do see younger people in regular 40K, especially on the competitive side. But it is at the end of the day a modelling hobby. Tends to be old people game
A myphitic blight hauler is only 18.50 compared to the bloat drone at double the price. The MBH is monopose and easy to build and the drone has a few options. But it’s funny that it’s a small vehicle and it’s cheaper than some of the HQs
Well... I own two of these and am saving for a third. I personally love my thunderhawk and porphyrion, and the warlord titan is gonna be my biggest project ever
Poor hammer actually did a video about that a few months or maybe a year or so ago. I remember guard and admech were in the top 5 most expensive with the least points per dollar. I forget who the most expensive was though
The answer is... none of them! Because the secondhand market is the only place I'm buying minis from now on. I literally can't justify giving GW any money at this point. They either cut models, or whole armies, or make Ultramarines with upgrade sprues. And anything that _does_ survive the purge comes out looking good, but going straight to Legends (T'au Invocation of the Elements and Votann Ancestors' Wrath comes to mind) or comes out looking like the new Sanguinary Guard...
Buying them used makes them Veterans due to their experience. :P And I'm right with you: I've been buying used models for years. It's worth the effort to strip and rebuild them, and by the time they're done you really can't tell the difference.
@@The_Blackshield Same. 80% of my models at this point have been bought used. Sure, sometimes they're missing pieces, or need refurbishment, or stripping, but I'd rather spend half the money and give it directly to another person than any to GW right now.
Ebay, generally. But buy them when they're not being the centre of attention, if they're specific faction models. At the moment, Blood Angels are getting all the attention, so now is a good time to look at anything else. And as long as they're all, in my opinion that's ideal. Might need a bit of work to tidy up, but that's fine. It's so worth it.
Meanwhile a perfect grade gundam is a foot tall, fully articulated, has LEDs and costs a couple of hundred bucks. Glad my friend Zack in China can hook me up with much cheaper OOP versions of FW models. Someone has to keep Warhammer history alive
I will say the Age of Darkness box is probably the cheapest way to start a Space Marine army. 1500 points right off the bat depending how you decide to run some of the models.
The Forgeworld Imperial Fortress was a really cool model? Would that count as a model? I remember that FW made them to-order and it took a few months from purchase to get one. They were huge and a couple grand.
I don't know if you've done it already, but I think you should consider doing this type of video for regular GW plastic. Forgeworld stuff I feel like is completely overpriced (both in points and in monmey) on purpose.
The only reason I got into wargaming was the realization that I could take the $500 on one army and buy a solid 3d printer and print my own army for the same price. Then the next $500 I'd spend trying to keep that army competitive could just be sunk into printing off a dozen more instead.
$500 for an army, or $450 for a good printer and $50 for the 3d models and materials to print your own. One of these makes the next army you build 1/10th the cost.
$315 or £195 why the hell is the price so different. £195 is $251.25. That still doesnt make sense to me. $975 or £630 for the phantom titan. £630 is $811. So its $164 more because im in America thats because of shipping costs to the US but then i have to pay even more for shipping. Someone please explain this to me. I know the £ is worth more than the $. Im not that good at math so maybe im thinking about this wrong
Nope. Gw has it's own currency change rates. If U do the same with Australian dollars the difference between real world change rates and GW change rate is insane.
@@necrometicsonofthelion I wonder if it's worth it to buy stuff using £ and having it shipped to the US or would it end up costing about he same? Have you heard anything about anyone trying this? If I end up saving $5 on each order over time I guess that might be worth it.
Getting rid of forgeworld is such a good move. Every time I hear news of a new set of forgeworld models being retired I know we’re that much closer to it all being a memory. I can’t wait
And a good part of Warhammer history lost. If they would at least bring them out in plastic before disposing them. Just look at all the Aeldari Flyers. I know of at least 3 that are I haven't heard of until I see a recast of them. Every old resin mini took love and care. Badab War and Siege or Vraks for example. Loosing them should be mourned.
Hard pass on all of them except the Thunderhawk gunship. Thats my dream model for my Black Templars collection. Much less to actually play, more to build/paint and just have sitting atop my glass case that my Black Templar collection sits in.
Forge world is generally the rule on this one, anything which needs to be straight; swords, handles, body plates, exhaust vents on warlord titans (Squidmar) and even wings come out a little squiffy.
Son & I play apocalypse once a month or so. Its the only time my reavers, warhounds and warlord titans see any action. Just too powerful for a normal game
I've always hated the Warhound Titan. Without a doubt the dumbest design in all of 40k. The Reaver Titan is better, but still pretty janky looking. Nemesis and Warlord look decent, I'm guessing they're both far newer than the other two. But even if they made a new one now I'd still not like the Warhound. Now the Mastodon or the Stormbird? Yes please, I'd love those. I like how the Mastodon is designed to be able to link up with other ones to make a protected corridor for troops to advance in. Completely impractical for gameplay, but a neat bit of lore and design.
I was kind of hoping this would have been about the worst points per money ratio for each army. Nothing wrong with big forge world models but it's pretty predictable, and not nearly as accessible for the common mini buyer. Perhaps in another video?
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My favorite thing about the Manta was seeing Play on Tabletop playing a game of Kill Team on top of one of them
Strictly enforced pick up and gently place models?
@@daewooharvey Since it seems they are referring to a content creator we can assume they play that way naturally.
Whichever kit I’m buying in the moment becomes the most expensive ever to me
Same lol 😆
All kits are overly priced
Just picked up some ultramarine upgrade sprues, god it was depressing opening the mail and truly seeing how little you get, especially in New Zealand with the additional "you're along way away so tough" markups.
Cheaper to buy a high quality 3d printer than an army
I need Smaug in my daemon army so that I may annoyingly state a line of his "I am Death" speech with every action
The Reaver Titan used to cost around $750-850 US Dollars. I bought one after saving all summer. It went up to $1,420 USD overnight after GW made it's US forgeworld branch in 2018.
you cant get s recast reaver titan for $200 and as a bonus dont even have to bother with Forgeworlds abysmal QA
There's a difference between cost and value. I'd argue that £90 on a Venator you can't use is more expensive than £150 on some model you can.
My Magnus investment last edition hasn't failed me yet + he looks sick
There's also the £/hr of hobby enjoyment to consider. You could have a £60 model that produces 10 hours of enjoyment because it's nice to put together & paint & a £50 model produces 5 hours of enjoyment & 5 hours of frustration/just get it done because it's too fanikity/detailed.
On the topic of Smaug I would just like to mention that you CAN run him in your armies in Middle Earth. But to be more precise... when you pick him he IS YOUR ARMY. Quite literally a one model army. It doesn't get much cooler than that!
Forge world: It’s expensive, sometimes just looks bad, AND it’s getting phased out of 40K for the most part. If you are intending to get forge world models to play with them, do not be surprised if they are removed extremely quickly. I made the mistake of buying a Dimachaeron when they were insane in 9th, please do not be a meta chasing dumbass like I was.
But, I was going to paint them whilst listening to my Zune!
@@NSGrendel Good looking forge world minis can definitely be used as great hobby projects, just don’t expect them to have rules for long.
@@SnowFoxWithAGasMask True, but if I am going to kitbash stuff, then there is literally no point in buying this expensive, heavy garbage.
Addendum - also made of toxic, terrible, will melt under room temperature on a hot day resin. What's not to like?
@@NSGrendel Wait what the fuck?
@@SnowFoxWithAGasMask
They are being hyperbolic.
Some resin is very toxic. GW resin is less toxic than 3d printing resin, but people breathing in resin dust are stupid, but then so are people breathing in plastic dust.
GW resin doesn't melt at room temp unless you live in a desert and use your window as a magnifying lens to heat the model to about 50c.
...I can proxy in my children for the warlord titan. Apparently it's about the size of a toddler.
Does your titan come with sonic weapons too?
Mine were very Nurgle inspired
I love that the hand painted only 700 produced artisan Weta Workshop models aren't the most expensive option.
Oh look! A list of minis I'll never own!
My Deathwatch army is a rather expensive set of paper-weights now, thanks to GW.
I getcha man, have 6000 points of black armoured ultramarines now, feels bad
Space Marine player when confronted with the fact he's always just been a Space Marine player that got buttered up by GW with super special boy rules, lol.
@@SilimSavertin Sorry you feel the need to defend poor decisions just because they happened to you as well, hope you feel better soon x
As a Drukhari player, I find it hilarious that a box set worth less than $40 (Scourges) is able to viably wound EVERYTHING ASIDE FROM THE WARLORD on a 4+ or better and do decent damage comparatively (Heat Rays)
The price of the Mastodon is what is going to make me get a 3d printer. For that price, I could just buy a printer and supplies, print the Mastodon and still have money to spare.
And still have that setup to print other ridiculously priced stuff or print other fun projects. Conclusion: a 3D printer bought for wargamming pays for itself and then some. ;)
Man, I really hope we get a full-plastic or smaller version of a mastodon in 40k. (Please don't let the guy who sculpt coteaz and primaris blood angels anywhere near it).
I'm genuinely surprised people pay this at all.
No wonder gw doesn't care about raising prices when people will buy these with 300% markup.
By rough count, there is around 18,000 serial numbered versions on the forums of JUST the imperial and chaos Titan walkers. You have to remember warhammer isn’t just played by the average blue collar guy. It’s also played by people to whom £1000 isn’t an issue to spend in a month or two.
@rudolfnv6666 explains why every game I play is all dad's. The only ones can afford it. Not good for the long-term health of the company.
@@SenseiLlama you'll be surprised at how costly ANY hobbies can get when you want to go to top of the line, that only adults who have money to spare can afford it...
@@SenseiLlama I mean this is the top end. Timmy the 14 year old won’t be able to buy the massive Titan. But you do see younger people in regular 40K, especially on the competitive side. But it is at the end of the day a modelling hobby. Tends to be old people game
Pointing out Wrath of the Omnissiah on the Warlord Titan got a good laugh out of me!
I miss the Lucius pattern titans. Far cooler than Mars' ones imo.
Yep. Planning out how to build a Lucius Warlord soon.
Just bought my warlord titan and multiple weapon options. No regrets and super excited to have it displayed in a few months when it’s done!
Gotta love printers
Oops ! All Forgeworld !
GW should make an imperator class titan
Someone mocked one up. It was 9 foot tall. Wouldn't fit on the table it's so big.
@@DuncanMarkwell it will be the table
I spent £28 on the Necron Immortals, only to kind of ruin the plastic that joins the tubes together. That part was infuriating to do
20:08 It is Wētā Workshop. Or Weetaa Workshop if not using macrons like in the video.
I got a revenant Titan for $40 from "China Forge", great quality. Used it twice in 7 years.
Not that I'm in the market for something of the like but how exactly would that service be used if one were interested?
I love the thunderhawk datasheet just a shame I will never be able to own one. :(
Was at warhammer world a couple of months ago. You can order the Nemesis Titan through them.
@auspextactics I'm surprised you completely missed the STR 20 gun you can use instead of the anemic STR 10 one on the Thunderhawk
atleast you get some solid pts for these, could spend that amounts on admech infantry only army
A myphitic blight hauler is only 18.50 compared to the bloat drone at double the price.
The MBH is monopose and easy to build and the drone has a few options. But it’s funny that it’s a small vehicle and it’s cheaper than some of the HQs
Well...
I own two of these and am saving for a third. I personally love my thunderhawk and porphyrion, and the warlord titan is gonna be my biggest project ever
One day we need to see an imperator titan
You should do most expensive per points. I'm curious as to if guardsmen or admech top that list.
Poor hammer actually did a video about that a few months or maybe a year or so ago. I remember guard and admech were in the top 5 most expensive with the least points per dollar. I forget who the most expensive was though
The answer is... none of them! Because the secondhand market is the only place I'm buying minis from now on. I literally can't justify giving GW any money at this point. They either cut models, or whole armies, or make Ultramarines with upgrade sprues. And anything that _does_ survive the purge comes out looking good, but going straight to Legends (T'au Invocation of the Elements and Votann Ancestors' Wrath comes to mind) or comes out looking like the new Sanguinary Guard...
Buying them used makes them Veterans due to their experience. :P
And I'm right with you: I've been buying used models for years. It's worth the effort to strip and rebuild them, and by the time they're done you really can't tell the difference.
I like to buy from my local gaming store which is 15% off. If they don't carry it I get a printed copy. I refuse to pay 50 dollars for characters
@@The_Blackshield Same. 80% of my models at this point have been bought used. Sure, sometimes they're missing pieces, or need refurbishment, or stripping, but I'd rather spend half the money and give it directly to another person than any to GW right now.
Any advice on finding used minis?
Ebay, generally. But buy them when they're not being the centre of attention, if they're specific faction models. At the moment, Blood Angels are getting all the attention, so now is a good time to look at anything else. And as long as they're all, in my opinion that's ideal. Might need a bit of work to tidy up, but that's fine. It's so worth it.
Guess I'll contact my trusty recaster
Meanwhile a perfect grade gundam is a foot tall, fully articulated, has LEDs and costs a couple of hundred bucks. Glad my friend Zack in China can hook me up with much cheaper OOP versions of FW models. Someone has to keep Warhammer history alive
I will say the Age of Darkness box is probably the cheapest way to start a Space Marine army.
1500 points right off the bat depending how you decide to run some of the models.
Additionally: The really big models for Horus Heresy based games makes me want to play Horus Heresy and have hundreds of models on the battlefield.
It would be really interesting to know what is most expensive value-wise. Least points with most euros.
I played against a warhound with precodex Orks and mozrog and a unit of 10 nobz led by a war boss took it down in 2 turns
AKA, "9 reasons to learn how to build your own giant miniatures!"
-Cries in Horus heresy -
The Forgeworld Imperial Fortress was a really cool model? Would that count as a model? I remember that FW made them to-order and it took a few months from purchase to get one. They were huge and a couple grand.
Acastus Knight. 700 pts. Ork Stompa 800 pts.
Damnit GW.
Can anyone test:
Tunderhawk with 10 termies+brother captain+ brother techmarine
3 dreadknights
Please please please
I don't know if you've done it already, but I think you should consider doing this type of video for regular GW plastic. Forgeworld stuff I feel like is completely overpriced (both in points and in monmey) on purpose.
Damn, look all these "Miniatures" that I can't afford 😭
Raise the black sails!
The only reason I got into wargaming was the realization that I could take the $500 on one army and buy a solid 3d printer and print my own army for the same price. Then the next $500 I'd spend trying to keep that army competitive could just be sunk into printing off a dozen more instead.
arent the new mastodons plastic?? I thought they were
Nice video has always
Who would have thought that you can spend this much on Warhammer!
Proud owner of a porphyrion and warhound, worth every penny
Nice! Have you used them in-game?
How is it the cerastus is 210$ when its just 120€ in europe?
Points per dollar mek guns gotta be up there.
Cavernous hold 💀
I just want to play... but it cost a lot here in Mexico
shoutout to Noise Marine for weighing in at a smidge above .4 points per dollar or .65 points per pound
your currency is scarcely less powerful
For me it was Centurions
Resin copies have a future 😅
who else is taking note then printing these off on the 3D printer? :-D
Who? Who? Who? Oh, hi smaug!.... Who?
This makes me wonder if I should buy a model or a 3D printer.
$500 for an army, or $450 for a good printer and $50 for the 3d models and materials to print your own. One of these makes the next army you build 1/10th the cost.
I want a plastic thunderhawk for my primaris 😢
That abaddon statue is unrealistic. We all know he doesn't have arms.
$315 or £195 why the hell is the price so different. £195 is $251.25. That still doesnt make sense to me.
$975 or £630 for the phantom titan. £630 is $811. So its $164 more because im in America thats because of shipping costs to the US but then i have to pay even more for shipping. Someone please explain this to me. I know the £ is worth more than the $. Im not that good at math so maybe im thinking about this wrong
Nope. Gw has it's own currency change rates. If U do the same with Australian dollars the difference between real world change rates and GW change rate is insane.
GW has never cared about exchange rates. You'll often see people mentioning the US/AUS/NZ tax.
@@necrometicsonofthelion I wonder if it's worth it to buy stuff using £ and having it shipped to the US or would it end up costing about he same? Have you heard anything about anyone trying this? If I end up saving $5 on each order over time I guess that might be worth it.
Getting rid of forgeworld is such a good move.
Every time I hear news of a new set of forgeworld models being retired I know we’re that much closer to it all being a memory.
I can’t wait
And a good part of Warhammer history lost. If they would at least bring them out in plastic before disposing them. Just look at all the Aeldari Flyers. I know of at least 3 that are I haven't heard of until I see a recast of them.
Every old resin mini took love and care. Badab War and Siege or Vraks for example. Loosing them should be mourned.
Every Games Workshop product is expensive, overpriced and suffers from FOMO.
Hard pass on all of them except the Thunderhawk gunship. Thats my dream model for my Black Templars collection. Much less to actually play, more to build/paint and just have sitting atop my glass case that my Black Templar collection sits in.
A pricey miniature doesn’t mean (necessarily)a good quality miniature 😔😔😔
Forge world is generally the rule on this one, anything which needs to be straight; swords, handles, body plates, exhaust vents on warlord titans (Squidmar) and even wings come out a little squiffy.
No surprise it’s all forgeworld.
Lets not discuss this too load as my wife might hear!
Thats why I Haven 3D printer
Son & I play apocalypse once a month or so. Its the only time my reavers, warhounds and warlord titans see any action. Just too powerful for a normal game
You mean too many points?
All of them
Hmm... so you can buy a Warlord or a used car...
Jesus whos paying for these stupid priced models ?
People with more money than sense
The Aeldari titans look so bad… had to edit just saw the chaos one lol I feel bad for anybody that payed that much for that ugly shit
3D printer go brrrrr
I've always hated the Warhound Titan. Without a doubt the dumbest design in all of 40k. The Reaver Titan is better, but still pretty janky looking. Nemesis and Warlord look decent, I'm guessing they're both far newer than the other two. But even if they made a new one now I'd still not like the Warhound. Now the Mastodon or the Stormbird? Yes please, I'd love those. I like how the Mastodon is designed to be able to link up with other ones to make a protected corridor for troops to advance in. Completely impractical for gameplay, but a neat bit of lore and design.
Damn! 44 secs
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I was kind of hoping this would have been about the worst points per money ratio for each army. Nothing wrong with big forge world models but it's pretty predictable, and not nearly as accessible for the common mini buyer. Perhaps in another video?
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bio/pyrovore. im not watching all that.