While you said that the argus has an extra 1 foot to its one shot kill range is not very noticeable in game, the key to this is not whether or not its noticeable, but whether or not it will help you win more gunfights consistently. In this case, while i do agree long barrel on shotguns are useless, there are very very rare situations that you would have won with long barrel that you wouldnt have otherwise.
+XpLiCiT H8R Consistently is the key word there. How often are you going to be shooting a guy within that exact one foot extended range? I would wager considerably less than even 1% of the time which is a statistical outlier and, therefore, can be considered negligible. Even if I actively tried, I don't think I could hit a shot specifically within that one foot area with any consistency whatsoever.
Probably not, and if you're using a shotgun at that range you are an absolute dumbass, but some people could theoretically use that (god I hope that people don't use a shotty st that range :p)
If you can get an increase in the 2 shot kill range, you can hit them from far and get a hitmarker then finish them with the 2nd shot instead of not being able to hit them at all
The sliding is on point this video. I don't have a scuf but use R3 to jump so it's almost as good as, apart from the sliding aspect, which I use X for. Code Ace for 5% off in the future?
Hey Ace I have just a quick little video idea, does Extended Mag slow down reload speed like it did in BO2? If I remember correctly, you reloaded like 10% slower with it on in BO2. And now in BO3, we also have different animations for Ext Mag, and I was wondering if those different animations altered reload speed at all. I personally haven't seen anyone test this, and I'd love to know. :)
+The Fedderation Extended mags has no impact at all on reload speed according to the hard stats. The animation may look different but the reload time remains the same.
Like the problem is not that its not increasing one shot range or max dmg range Thing is that total increase in range is like what... 2/3 meters.... Like...... I d take it if it was at leadt 5/6 meters even tho its hitmarkers(even tho u shoulldnt use shotgun like that....) But... Such small increase in range not worth it... Even if it was one shot range.... (Super useful but... 2/3meters.... And again why would u engage at that distance)... Peace be with you guys... Good video Ace... (Me commenting on 123 years old video😂
In hardcore it's not always a one shot kill with the Brecci if you only hit one pellet at maximum range, the base damage is reduced so you have to hit either two pellets or it's a two shot kill. The Haymaker will always be a two shot kill at maximum range in hardcore
this on the spammables like, brecci and haymaker, makes it pretty decent, there's no decreased shots to kill, and you can just spam out furher and possibly get the kill where otherwise your buckshot would not hit. Personally they help in cases where I thought they wouldn't to me. Especially when I have a free slot.
+CluTchDuTch on the brecci and haymaker I always take long barrel. its a little ridiculous to assume you will always be that close to someone. sometimes that extra range makes a difference. its not like there are any real good attachments for shotguns other than extended mag or fast mags anyway.
TheJerseyDevil Its clearly one of the worst guns in the game. Shotguns are meant to dominate close range, the haymaker doesnt accomplish that. It either needs a fire rate buff or increase the number of bullets with each shot.
+Ghosts619 He already did a little while back. He showed a range chart, similar to this one. I also made something similar, but I show visually, first person, all of my testing so you can see as if you are playing. I also show suppressor. I've done it for the maximum damage ranges of assault rifles and also sub machine guns so far.
This is only core but if you look at the stats and just gameplay longbarrel will win you every gunfight. Longbarrel is by far the best attachment in hardcore for shotguns
+Derek Haugen shotguns do a base damage if 1 pellet hit and extra damage for each additional pellet that hits. I don't know the exact numbers but for somthing like the haymaker that can 3 hit, base damage will be like 25 and a additional 3 per pellet (8pellets)
+chadwickistaken shotguns should always dominate close quarters. the problem with shottys now is their damage over range is so bad, any other gun would be a better choice. the only exception is the argus, but that one is hard to use.
I don't get it, why do all of the attachments provide such small benefits? long barrel barely affects range, stock barely makes you go faster, rapid fire only increases rpm by 6%, why do so many attachments suck?
+canadapwns886 but you're already pretty fast with an SMG, so the extra speed isn't necessary. I just missed the bo2 where stock on an AR made you move almost like an smg
Will long barrel help with the Haymaker of Berc. if you don't land all upper body shots? I move a lot when using those guns and when I was going for the Gold on both of those guns, specifically teh 5 attachment challenges, if felt like I got more reliable kills at range. Could that be from getting not center mass hits at range?
+Rock-Steady-Yeti The multiplier for any body part (including the head) is 1 for shotguns so it doesn't matter where you hit your enemy at all as far as damage is concerned. Torso does work best though because you maximize the chances of more pellets hitting.
+ryan bowen I made a vid for submachine guns and assault rifles covering how suppressor affects maximum damage, if you'd like to check it out. I show first person as if you are playing, the difference.
I pretty much only use a laser sight on shotguns, but I am curious if you knew how much it tightens spread, and if it is actually worth it to run on sg's.
+Nick Lyman Typically (not always), laser sight is more of a detriment to the shotguns with how the new mechanics handle. Shotguns now deal a high base damage for hitting even just one pellet and then on top of that, each pellet deals a small bonus damage. As a result, in most situations, it makes very little difference if you hit 4 pellets vs 6 because it's mainly about the base damage. So by adding a laser sight, you tighten the spread which decreases your chance of hitting that one single pellet required to deal the base damage, especially in chaotic, close range situations. If you want the spread to tighten in those situations where an enemy is a little bit further away, just aim down sight and you get a very similar spread tightening to what you'd get while having a laser sight equipped.
Any tips for the Reaper's Hero body? Scythe got nerfed again a while ago and it's a total struggle to get 6 kills in a match even with Overclocked and all that jazz. Hell, even the Gravity Spikes were easier.
play a mode like dom, safeguard or hardpoint, even demo maybe. the key I found since it got nerfed (I actually just did this like this last weekend myself) is to try to use it behind a chokepoint/headglitch where enemies will be coming/spawning from. for example on hunted if your enemies are spawning on the truck side and not the other side, you can go and wait for when they spawn there. works well in safeguard. another spot is on redwood, it is when the enemies spawn on the tree side, not the cliffside. you go right outside the concrete bunker and look down range at where they're spawning. I mean past this just ya know stay a decent distant from enemies and go to longer lines of sight etc.
+jo Ben Thanks! I've actually tried only safeguard and dom, but haven't had any luck yet. If safeguard gets overtimed, then it might be possible, but even with overclocked you earn the scythe hardly 3 times in a game so there's no room for error. But good to know someones done it recently so it's not totally impossible :)
TheRandom1zed yeah the time to charge is meh but yes I think at least 1 or 2 of my 6 kills per game came from a 3rd round in safeguard. 4 rounds should be a guarantee but ya know. Only other thing I suppose I can offer is that when I was playing I was being very aggressive about it to try and charge Scythe asap.
+gesunder Menschenverstand I felt like it just wasted ammo on the semi auto/auto guns, pumps I think it does help but there are better attachments, the KRM is the only one I would use it on.
do treyarch even test these things I don't get it, yet again were the bets testers. why have attachments that basically do nothing. *hits head repeatedly against brick wall.
they do quite a bit. just the fact that you can shoot at somebody and kill them from a further distance then when the bullets disappear is beyond useful actually, especially on the krm
+byron sea At the end of the video he states that shotguns are always a 1 shot kill in hardcore, so the range buff from long barrel does increase the 1 shot kill range.
Crispin Freeman Whilst true for the argus and krm this is incorrect for the brecci and haymaker. The haymaker already has a 2 shot kill range in HC and since long barrel on shotguns makes the minimum damage range do 20% less damage, it will also give you a 2 shot kill with the brecci.
+Rock-Steady-Yeti The FFAR is a bit strange with how it behaves and there has been crossover between the weapon types so it is reasonable to assume that the FFAR could potentially have a non-typical reaction to Long Barrel. As far as I can tell by looking at the raw stats though, it does seem to follow suit with the other ARs at a 2x multiplier.
+Rock-Steady-Yeti Sounds like you don't have a really good idea of how long ago his long barrel videos were released. Because FFAR was released wayyyy after the videos were.
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Do long barrel for melee weapons
You have the most helpful and informative videos. Keep it up.
While you said that the argus has an extra 1 foot to its one shot kill range is not very noticeable in game, the key to this is not whether or not its noticeable, but whether or not it will help you win more gunfights consistently. In this case, while i do agree long barrel on shotguns are useless, there are very very rare situations that you would have won with long barrel that you wouldnt have otherwise.
+XpLiCiT H8R Consistently is the key word there. How often are you going to be shooting a guy within that exact one foot extended range? I would wager considerably less than even 1% of the time which is a statistical outlier and, therefore, can be considered negligible. Even if I actively tried, I don't think I could hit a shot specifically within that one foot area with any consistency whatsoever.
Probably not, and if you're using a shotgun at that range you are an absolute dumbass, but some people could theoretically use that (god I hope that people don't use a shotty st that range :p)
If you can get an increase in the 2 shot kill range, you can hit them from far and get a hitmarker then finish them with the 2nd shot instead of not being able to hit them at all
Awesome video. So many people on reddit, to this day, still insist shotgun is crucial on shotguns - even the Argus.
The sliding is on point this video. I don't have a scuf but use R3 to jump so it's almost as good as, apart from the sliding aspect, which I use X for. Code Ace for 5% off in the future?
Dude great useful and informative video once again as always thanks! One day I am sure you will become as big as Drift0r or atleast I hope so!
Hey Ace I have just a quick little video idea, does Extended Mag slow down reload speed like it did in BO2? If I remember correctly, you reloaded like 10% slower with it on in BO2. And now in BO3, we also have different animations for Ext Mag, and I was wondering if those different animations altered reload speed at all. I personally haven't seen anyone test this, and I'd love to know. :)
If definitely slower with extended mag but not by too much than the standard mag
+The Fedderation Extended mags has no impact at all on reload speed according to the hard stats. The animation may look different but the reload time remains the same.
+The Fedderation for the bercci shotgun i'm sure it slows the reload speed
+TheXclusiveAce hey can u do a long barrel/suppressor range increase/reduction vid for pistols with the range charts like this one
Thank you, I was debating Long Barrel on the Brecci and Haymaker as I know what it does for the Argus
love your channel ace. it is the best, keep up the good work!
Like the problem is not that its not increasing one shot range or max dmg range
Thing is that total increase in range is like what... 2/3 meters.... Like...... I d take it if it was at leadt 5/6 meters even tho its hitmarkers(even tho u shoulldnt use shotgun like that....)
But... Such small increase in range not worth it... Even if it was one shot range.... (Super useful but... 2/3meters.... And again why would u engage at that distance)...
Peace be with you guys...
Good video Ace... (Me commenting on 123 years old video😂
You think it’s worth it on the dlc Olympia
In hardcore it's not always a one shot kill with the Brecci if you only hit one pellet at maximum range, the base damage is reduced so you have to hit either two pellets or it's a two shot kill.
The Haymaker will always be a two shot kill at maximum range in hardcore
Great video, I appreciate your time. I wish you would do these tests in hardcore as well. Many of us live in the hardcore world, not the core world.
I was just looking this up yesterday.
Hi Ace Great vids! what attachments would you recommend for the shotguns? Keep up the great work, cheers!
+TheXclusiveAce MAN!!! I love these videos!!
I love these episodes!
this on the spammables like, brecci and haymaker, makes it pretty decent, there's no decreased shots to kill, and you can just spam out furher and possibly get the kill where otherwise your buckshot would not hit. Personally they help in cases where I thought they wouldn't to me. Especially when I have a free slot.
+CluTchDuTch on the brecci and haymaker I always take long barrel. its a little ridiculous to assume you will always be that close to someone. sometimes that extra range makes a difference. its not like there are any real good attachments for shotguns other than extended mag or fast mags anyway.
exactly :p
Thanks for this video Ace
Thank you
Informative as always
Thanks so much for this, Ace. I've always thought that it increases the one shot kill range🤔😞
Good vid Ace
Very informative video, cheers
Haymaker needs a buff, badly.
nerf*
MoFvcker // MFvc
Lol. Please explain yourself
+Jim Vader It doesn't need anything.
The brecci is better but harder to use.
TheJerseyDevil
Its clearly one of the worst guns in the game. Shotguns are meant to dominate close range, the haymaker doesnt accomplish that. It either needs a fire rate buff or increase the number of bullets with each shot.
+TheJerseyDevil define harder because I rape with the brecci, and the haymaker sucks ass.
good stuff man thank you
Could you do a long barrel guide on the ARs?
hey ghosts I sub to you + he already does. it's in the desc
+Ghosts619 He already did a little while back. He showed a range chart, similar to this one. I also made something similar, but I show visually, first person, all of my testing so you can see as if you are playing. I also show suppressor. I've done it for the maximum damage ranges of assault rifles and also sub machine guns so far.
Stevio2175 oh idk how i missed it...
Ghosts619 It happens, no worries.
This is only core but if you look at the stats and just gameplay longbarrel will win you every gunfight. Longbarrel is by far the best attachment in hardcore for shotguns
+Zachary Miller Did you watch the video at all
+CT3LA yes
i end up getting so many long shot medals with the haymaker/brecci using long barrel.
What happened to the challenge series?
Is long barrel useful on the marshall 16?
I absolutely love long barrel on haymaker I can def tell the difference in range.
I'm assuming ace did his test and calculations based on all your pellets hitting, it may help out a bit more from hip fire.
Yeah all I do is hip fire the haymaker.
+Derek Haugen shotguns do a base damage if 1 pellet hit and extra damage for each additional pellet that hits. I don't know the exact numbers but for somthing like the haymaker that can 3 hit, base damage will be like 25 and a additional 3 per pellet (8pellets)
Pistols and LMG charts too please
I miss when in mw3 shotguns were amazing once you got damage and extended mags before they patched it. made the grind of shotguns worth while
+chadwickistaken shotguns should always dominate close quarters. the problem with shottys now is their damage over range is so bad, any other gun would be a better choice. the only exception is the argus, but that one is hard to use.
I don't get it, why do all of the attachments provide such small benefits? long barrel barely affects range, stock barely makes you go faster, rapid fire only increases rpm by 6%, why do so many attachments suck?
Stock is amazing on SMGs. You pretty much go at walking speed while ADS.
+canadapwns886 but you're already pretty fast with an SMG, so the extra speed isn't necessary. I just missed the bo2 where stock on an AR made you move almost like an smg
+EpicGamerzFail The stock is useful for SMGs in gunfights when strafing because it's harder for the enemys to follow their aim
+oneuselessplayer like I said, you're already fast with an smg. I'm talking about stock on ars and lmgs, where you're still fairly slow with stock
EpicGamerzFail I dont care about how fast you're going with the stock, im using it because it's very useful in gunfights when strafing
Will long barrel help with the Haymaker of Berc. if you don't land all upper body shots? I move a lot when using those guns and when I was going for the Gold on both of those guns, specifically teh 5 attachment challenges, if felt like I got more reliable kills at range. Could that be from getting not center mass hits at range?
+Rock-Steady-Yeti The multiplier for any body part (including the head) is 1 for shotguns so it doesn't matter where you hit your enemy at all as far as damage is concerned. Torso does work best though because you maximize the chances of more pellets hitting.
Hey Ace is the long barrel good on the marshal or no?
you never left the stat chart in the description
Hey Ace, what about a surpreser guide?
+ryan bowen I made a vid for submachine guns and assault rifles covering how suppressor affects maximum damage, if you'd like to check it out. I show first person as if you are playing, the difference.
I pretty much only use a laser sight on shotguns, but I am curious if you knew how much it tightens spread, and if it is actually worth it to run on sg's.
+Nick Lyman Typically (not always), laser sight is more of a detriment to the shotguns with how the new mechanics handle. Shotguns now deal a high base damage for hitting even just one pellet and then on top of that, each pellet deals a small bonus damage. As a result, in most situations, it makes very little difference if you hit 4 pellets vs 6 because it's mainly about the base damage. So by adding a laser sight, you tighten the spread which decreases your chance of hitting that one single pellet required to deal the base damage, especially in chaotic, close range situations. If you want the spread to tighten in those situations where an enemy is a little bit further away, just aim down sight and you get a very similar spread tightening to what you'd get while having a laser sight equipped.
+TheXclusiveAce that answers it. Thanks man, love your videos.
what about without ads
Hardcore Assault Rifle Long Barrel Guide. Please.
Any tips for the Reaper's Hero body? Scythe got nerfed again a while ago and it's a total struggle to get 6 kills in a match even with Overclocked and all that jazz. Hell, even the Gravity Spikes were easier.
play a mode like dom, safeguard or hardpoint, even demo maybe. the key I found since it got nerfed (I actually just did this like this last weekend myself) is to try to use it behind a chokepoint/headglitch where enemies will be coming/spawning from. for example on hunted if your enemies are spawning on the truck side and not the other side, you can go and wait for when they spawn there. works well in safeguard. another spot is on redwood, it is when the enemies spawn on the tree side, not the cliffside. you go right outside the concrete bunker and look down range at where they're spawning. I mean past this just ya know stay a decent distant from enemies and go to longer lines of sight etc.
+jo Ben Thanks! I've actually tried only safeguard and dom, but haven't had any luck yet. If safeguard gets overtimed, then it might be possible, but even with overclocked you earn the scythe hardly 3 times in a game so there's no room for error. But good to know someones done it recently so it's not totally impossible :)
TheRandom1zed yeah the time to charge is meh but yes I think at least 1 or 2 of my 6 kills per game came from a 3rd round in safeguard. 4 rounds should be a guarantee but ya know. Only other thing I suppose I can offer is that when I was playing I was being very aggressive about it to try and charge Scythe asap.
+jo Ben Yeah, kinda obvious. But cheers again!
What about the Marshall? I just got it yesterday
How about long barrel on the marshal 16?
+roxxxjay This I don't know for sure and can't test since I don't have the Marshal
+TheXclusiveAce did you make a group on bo3 xboxone yet?
Pretty sure it's a flat 13% buff at all ranges.
+TheXclusiveAce You could borrow it from someone you know if you can't get it before you do the Pistol Long barrel guide and put it in that video.
where's the marshal? I know its a pistol, but its a better shotgun than the shotguns so it deserves to be here.
is this the same on old treyarch cods ?
you got the krm wrong mate, at max range with long barrel it can take 3 shots to kill
Do one for pistols
does long barrel help when not ADS?
Am i the only one who come to his videos just to hear him talk i fall asleep to his voice
Is rapid fire worth it on shotguns?
yes, on the brecci
It just comes to the personal feel. It might not be because shotguns arent the fastest firing weapons in game
+gesunder Menschenverstand I felt like it just wasted ammo on the semi auto/auto guns, pumps I think it does help but there are better attachments, the KRM is the only one I would use it on.
Rock-Steady-Yeti i dont Know what i should pick instead... I would go everytime with a gun which shoots faster and they improve this attachment
what does long barrel do on the marshals?
do treyarch even test these things I don't get it, yet again were the bets testers. why have attachments that basically do nothing. *hits head repeatedly against brick wall.
they do quite a bit. just the fact that you can shoot at somebody and kill them from a further distance then when the bullets disappear is beyond useful actually, especially on the krm
What about without aiming down sights?
Do rapid fire on all weapons
How about supressor range charts?
+Oskari Castel I already made a visual, first person reference with suppressor on assault rifles and submachine guns if you want to check it out.
Hey, you forgot the Haymaker has a 2-shot range if all pellets hit. >:C
+Joe McCarty Given how unlikely it is for all pellets to hit, it would be a waste of chart space showing that.
There's no such thing as a waste of chart space, and it's not that hard to hit all of them if you ADS
What attachments should you put on the krm then?
+Harry James Butler Nothing, I put extended mags on mine just so I don't have to reload before my inevitable death.
So long barrle is wasted on Brecci 205
It increases hit marker range.
It's good for a brechi
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong didn't they patch the damage reducing effect on shotguns in a patch? So that it no longer lowers their damage.
+flamesword300 They didn't
+TheXclusiveAce try the breccia with long barrel on hardcore, I'll say no more
+TheXclusiveAce please do a long barrel on pistols video thanks and keep up then great work
these stats only apply to core players i asume cause it long barrel makes a definite difference in hardcore on shotguns an smg's
+byron sea Doesn't make much of a difference on SMGs.
+byron sea At the end of the video he states that shotguns are always a 1 shot kill in hardcore, so the range buff from long barrel does increase the 1 shot kill range.
Crispin Freeman Whilst true for the argus and krm this is incorrect for the brecci and haymaker. The haymaker already has a 2 shot kill range in HC and since long barrel on shotguns makes the minimum damage range do 20% less damage, it will also give you a 2 shot kill with the brecci.
what about the marshall 16
Driftor brought me here
Wow, long barrel sucks on Shotties!!! I m taking long barrel off my shotty classes!!
marshal 16?
Does long barrel double the range of ffar?
+Epin Jonne You should look at some ofAce's videos on long barrel, it sounds like you dont have a really good idea of how long b. works.
+Rock-Steady-Yeti The FFAR is a bit strange with how it behaves and there has been crossover between the weapon types so it is reasonable to assume that the FFAR could potentially have a non-typical reaction to Long Barrel. As far as I can tell by looking at the raw stats though, it does seem to follow suit with the other ARs at a 2x multiplier.
+Rock-Steady-Yeti Sounds like you don't have a really good idea of how long ago his long barrel videos were released. Because FFAR was released wayyyy after the videos were.
+SaberSworn There are 0 guns that get 2x ranges as far as I know.
Rock-Steady-Yeti All ARs aside from the KN get a 2x multiplier to range
So useless for zombies too?
Obviously
+Snark Nation go check again.. I've played enough zombies to know for fact
+Snark Nation bro it's a video on shotguns so I'm talking about shotguns lmao
+Snark Nation ummmm long barrel is available for smgs ars and shotguns in zombies
+jo Ben and pistols
Pls long barrel on the famas.
dosent need it cause its range is already good
KRM IS A 3 SHOT KILL AT MAX RANGE WITH LONG BARREL!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Useless on shotguns.
Finally firs
What about the marchal 16?