The Lighthorsemen - Opening
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- The opening credits and battle, showing the attitudes of desert warfare during World War I and the desperation of the British forces.
This scene made "dunderhead" my favorite word.
From the movie "The Lighthorsemen."
R.I.P Jon Blake after 25 years of pain he can now rest.
My dad fought with the American Infantry along side the Australians in WW2. He told me they were tough fighters.
My grandfather fought with japenese as PETA
"Spread out men, keep your pace." Gotta love those calm English officers.
R.i.P. Jon Blake.....after 25 years of pain he can now rest.
The version I have does not last that long; most of the water speech is missing; it also starts with wild horses getting rounded up for the lighthorses, and Dave jumping on the wagon to ask how to join in
RIP Bill Kerr 06:15 (General Chauvell) 1922-2014
Thanks Henry. There are some excellent Austrlaian websites dedicated to the Lighthorse, as well as the Australian War Memorial's website with a vast collection of material. General Chauvel's son, Charles, made the epic Australian film "40,000 Horsemen" (I think I' have the title right) - well worth watching, although the 'lingo' viz Australian vernacular can be difficult to understand to the untrained ear. When you watch the film again, it's Single's forward medical station bombed by Gerry.
The saying An Army Marches on it's Stomach has to be modified when fighting a desert war. The saying still holds true, but normally it refers to food. In desert warfare water is far more important.
True, soldiers can't fight if their bodies can't operate efficiently.
@SSHHMEEE You can find torrents of it online. Most of it was edited for time, but some scenes had more meat to them when you see it unedited. Among the major absences:
Longer explanation of desert warfare (seen here)
Scene where they chase off Turkish cavalry after ambushing the smaller unit
A scene where the German general hears of the fall of Beersheba
Longer scenes of the dead after the battle
3:41 = "That moment you realize this is obviously an Australian production."
James Ash Bloody oath.
Australian Light Horseman are mounted infantry. Likely the same concept as U.S. Dragoons(also called U.S. Mounted Infantry) and for the same reasons: large frontier territory to cover made pure infantry impractical in both Australia and the U.S.
I always felt that ending the U.S. Dragoons was a mistake on the part of U.S. commanders. In 1860, just prior to the Civil War all Dragoon regiments were redesignated "U.S. Cavalry", so that the 1st Dragoons, became the 1st Cavalry. Cavalry are trained to fight from horseback, while Dragoons (Mounted Infantry) are trained as both cavalry and infantry, making the mounted infantry an elite unit in fact.
Looks as if our Aussie cousins kept a good idea going on into the early 20th Century!
+63DW89A The U.S. Cavalry units were trained to fight at mounted infantry using much the same tactics. One in four holds the horses etc. They did charge and fight ahorse often but in longer engagements they dismounted. Custer's debacle on the Little Big Horn is an example of this tactic going horribly wrong.
+CorsetGrace Yes that is correct that U.S. Calvary units were trained to fight as "dismounted cavalry" in an infantry capacity. But the U.S. Calvary from 1860 forward, emphasized mounted tactics, and considered "dismounting" a contingency tactic only. The U.S. Dragoons emphasized both mounted and dismounted tactics, and considered dismounting as normal a tactic as rapid slashing attacks on horseback. It appears to me that the Australian Light Horseman are very close in concept to the old U.S Dragoons, more so than the U.S. Cavalry.
A side note to your interesting "Custer" observation. Modern forensics analysis of Custer Battlefield items, especially ammo cases and weapons, has shed some incredible new light recently. It appears that the ammo issued for the Custer Troop's 45-70 Springfield Trapdoor carbines was early issue copper cased, rather than ordnance brass, which caused the Trapdoor carbines to jam with stuck cartridge cases in the chambers, effectively neutralizing the carbines. Custer's troopers were also mostly armed with the excellent cavalry model Colt SIngle Action Army revolver with a long 7.5 inch barrel that gave the revolver very good long range capability as a carbine substitute if needed. Unfortunately, for some reason, each man only had 18 rounds per revolver. The Colt revolvers did a superb job as "carbine substitute" until the short ammo supply ran out.
The Polish used mounted infantry to great effect against German supply lines in 1939.
63DW89A I know I’m joining the conversation late, but I don’t know if the fact that Australian Lieutenant General Sir Henry Chauvel GCMG, KCB was a big admirer of Confederate cavalry commander JEB Stuart as a child might have been any influence on his employment of the Australian Light Horse in the Sinai and Palestine Campaigns of WW1 against the Ottoman Turks. Keeping in mind that Chauvel (depicted at 6:22) was born in New South Wales in 1865. Chauvel studied American Civil War cavalry tactics closely and had some experience putting them in to practice in South Africa during the 2nd Boer War between 1899-1902 against the Dutch Boers. By the way you might enjoy looking up the classic Australian movie “Breaker Morant” made in 1979. It’s a true story set during the Boer War based around a military court martial that makes A Few Good Men look a little too clean. At that point the Australian units were still deployed by individual colonies and were known as the New South Wales Lancers, or the Victorian Imperial Bushmen. The movie Breaker Morant characters belonged to a composite British Empire unit made up mostly of Australians, called The Bush Velt Carbineers. These units were the colonial precursors to the Australian Light Horse which came under the unified command of the Commonwealth of Australia after Federation in 1901 and the formation of Australia’s national army.
@@63DW89A General Custer, during the last 2 years of the US Civil War, was renowned for his ability to judge key terrain. He would rapidly move his units onto key terrain and force the Confederates to fight his Dismounted Cavalry, armed with breach-loading carbines, and some Spencer Carbines (mostly 7 round magazine version). Or to withdraw.
Custer's Cavalry did this at Appomattox Courthouse, preventing Lee and the Army of Northern Virginia, from uniting with the Army of Tennessee.
General Grant credited Custer with ending the war. Grant purchased the table the document of surrender was signed on, as a gift of thanks.
I love this film u c get it on DVD from Australia I never get tired of watching true story
Thank you for the film. My Granny's cousin, Lt.Col.Clive Vallack Single DSO OBE, was MO in the Lighthorse, and of course was at Beersheba. Just as correction apropos one of the comments regarding the horses; They're Walers not "whaler", so named after New South Wales Colony (now state), Australia, where the 'breed' originated. Before WWI Dr.Single played test cricket for Australia, thrashing the Poms (England) at the Sydney Cricket Ground (SCG) in 1913. Cheerio.
Thank You for this!
1:33 "Those are British Mark 1 tanks!"
Only a German would be angry at winning a battle due to an enemy's incompetence.
Great film!!!
@SSHHMEEE Same actually. It was out on VHS in America, and my dad rented it for me one time. I loved it and bought a VHS copy from a catalog (thems were the days before the internet). Then I found the unedited Australian version online, and haven't looked back since :)
unedited? oh you mean bleeped and a few scenes cut out.
Long live our Sultan !
I was at the 90th anniversary in Sydney Australia and heard the Australian cavalry charge
I've heard about this film. I will have to ask, Where can I get the full movie? Thi looks very interesting.
The british did not use Infintary with tanks it was General Monash who thought up the correct use of tanks
"We are running out of time, we are running out of water, I am running out of patience and with it my capacity to obey orders I cannot believe in."
I believe that a major difference was that Australian officers often came from a similar or the same ilk as their soldiers and NCO's and knew how to use the skills of their men to their advantage whilst the British officers often treated soldiers as little more than trained dogs who obeyed orders and died.
Great music score by Mario Miller.
I saw this movie years ago..great flick
Hallo, you may find it interesting that many of the officers in the Lighthorse were related either by blood or marriage. For instance, two cousins of (then) Maojr Single married two cousins of "Bourchier of Beersheba" (Brigadier The Honourable Sir Murray Wm.Bourchier CMG, DSO). At the time, Australia's population was only 5 million, and nearly half-a-million Australians served their king & country - more than any other nation 'per capita'. Ironic considering how far away Australia is from Europe
Brave Turkish Soldier RIP
that's a lot of horses to maintain.
+MoonMoonFang more in actual war.
Yes, 'dunderhead' is an awesome word. Let's conspire to bring it back into common use. I just told my daughter she should use the word. Why say, 'moron' when you can call someone, 'dunderhead?' Thank you!
Jesus said, "Say not 'thou fool' and say not 'rakkah'...
Whats fascinating is how tiny Beersheba was in 1917. In 1917, it was hardly a village. Today, Beersheba is a city of hundreds of thousands with all the trappings of a modern city.
3:20 reminds me of the rohirrim in 3rd lord of the rings, when they appear on the hill
Where is general Custer?
I love this movie
The British held the mandate of Palestine at the end of WWII, but far from helping the establishment of Israel they voted against the United Nations partition plan. British troops and civilians had been victims of the Zionist underground (the Hagganah and Irgun). It wasn't until much later that Britain became a supporter of the state of Israel. The US voted in favour of the partition plan, but their own support for Israel didn't solidify until later in the Cold War.
Palestine was simply the name for the region back then, and has nothing to do with the current Palestinian Authority that exists. For example, the Israel newspaper The Jerusalem Post used to be called The Palestinian Post.
@frpetermark I'm honored your granny's cousin served.
Who is this guy, the narrator?
When was this filmed again? This felt like it came out last year holy shit the cinematography!
1987 the movie was released for cinema
@3:10 WOW!
Rohirrim
How reliable were the early tanks?
+wcatholic1: Not very. I can't give you a detailed explanation, but my understanding is that about a third to a half would simply break down under combat conditions or get stuck in a trench. There was one battle I read of (The Hundred Days Offensive) where all the Allied tanks were out of operation or otherwise left behind after the first day.
What do you think? Probably a close second to the "early submarine"...
wcatholic1 rubbish
Hardly at all. In many battles about Half broke down Before they got to the Enemy Front Lines... Not counting those lost to combat.
Commonly 200 to 400 tanks would start the day. If 2 dozen were functional at the end of the day, they were Lucky!
The charge that took the town wasn't intended as an actual charge
@ANTOONMAKA Oui.
my mothers favorite joke - did you see 40 000 horsemen? yes - oh which way did they go.
For time reference, the movie The Light horse men is an updated version of 40 000 horsemen - lol.
Where i can get ottoman uniform ww1???
The music is like chit! Also, everything is made of plywood and chicken wire!
@youse12132 As I said in the description, I love that word :)
@hartleymartin Its not that they come from the same ilk...its thats there aren't different ilks in Australian society ;)
Why is the German officer wearing the european uniform
en que parte del africa es?
+Mundoluiggi GT C'est pas Africa. Gaza, Palestine.
+Mundoluiggi GT Palestine.
German flag on the car is upside down ☹️
Huh. I never noticed that before. Good catch!
Tanks in the desert = Tommy cooker
Ne jugeons pas l'action des soldats mais celle de la hiérarchie militaire souvent incompréhensible et sans pitié : qui a déjà été sous les feu des mitrailleuses et de canons?... Une toute autre question là plutôt que de savoir si... Les commentaires sont pénibles parfois...
He had just come from Germany.
Wasted 25% of their fire power holding the horses...
Actually it is 20% but that is what light horse always do. They gain a huge amount of range in mobility in exchange for that though. Also a horse can carry more supplies than a man so they have a lot more Independence from the logistics train than regular infantry. finally, with the development of the machine gun, cavalry was on the way out so light horse, when well supplied and properly used, is an excellent unit for desert warfare.
I would have killed the men with the horses. Sad, but it's war. You have to stop logistics or slow it down at least. You can also eat the horses.
Jeff Smith Yet they were still the most effective fighting unit in the Sinai Palestine Campaign of WW1 between 1916-1918.
British tanks in Israel?really?
+Andysawz Not until after the war it was a colony of Turkey at this time.
+Gregory Payne Technically, Palestine was not a British colony, but the British was given a mandate to administer the region after the Great War. Not a lot of difference though.
lordboygeorgerodney is a geek
christ i feel ashamed of my country sometimes. we were striding the world like young gods. but we got proud and lazy and gave "good leader" and "social standing" the same meaning. we treated our australian, indian and canadian citizens/soldiers like slaves and anyone who spoke up against a pompus prick in command was shot/flogged for his trouble while his friends were sent to die pointlessly. and we went on regardless. and now look were we are.
albertjester :8
Israel was called Judea when under control of the Romans. in 130 a.d after a second revolt the Romans covered Jerusalem with salt rebuilt a new city (Alea Capitolina) and kicked the Jews out of Judea and forbid them to enter their own land.They renamed it Palestina which is an insult to Jews as this is the Roman term for Philistine the mortal enemies of Israel. Yes they do have a legitimate right to THEIR land
Interesting how you started your history to favor the Jews, not the truth.
Sembra film co.ico
Dunderhead??? This movie could have been so much better with better writing... actually almost better everything.
The English should know how to use them.
Huh... The English are the biggest users of all time.
Turkey Ottoman empire & Australay
turkish officers and soldiers , shown here as cowards in this movie , proved themselves to be good fighters by previously serving in Gallipoli and romania fronts . german officers largely served as military supervisor rather than commanding to turkish units . severely outnumbered , turkish army groups inflicted great losses to britains and their Anzac cannon-fodders
Thumb up. Not that I like AU. (The climate and the accent.)
so this movie is not about thor or his semen
Australian Superman :-D übertriebener scheiß
The use of British tactics in this clip are nonsense, by 1917 men advancing into battle in extended order was laughable at best. The British army had just gone through a massive tactical overhaul in 1917, including in Mesopotamia.
If Germans stayed in Palestine, israhell would never have existed...
Germany was the most honorable country in Europe... :(
+jorgen jen Hardly.
Germany doesn't need a war these days, they're killing their own culture and countrymen, thanks to Merkel.
jorgen jen Muppet
Oh and Israel has always existed no such place as Palestine or Palestinians
Germany wasn't in Palestine, it was only helping the Ottomans.
starts the day off with a war crime... nice.
Typically British... What!
Huzzar!
Just Aussie propaganda mate..
Love the uniforms, but the story realism sucks:
1) No german (orders giving) in turkish controlled occupied areas. EVAH.
2) Turks had more than capable officers themselves.
3) No tanks in Palestine.
4) No aussie mounted infantry in Palestine,or anything aussie for that matter (until war end to march in uncontested).
5) Though english logistics sucked, they would know how to bring a tank wagon with water ifthey have tanks (petrol???) that far as well.
6) mounted infantry is used just as that : fast movement,deploy as infantry...so where is the mounted infantry deployed ?In full front slow marching attack ? No of course not: it is deployed around the back or flanks .. WW1 tacticians were not fools regarding their own tested and trained weapon systems.
"No german (orders giving) in turkish controlled occupied areas. EVAH."
"No tanks in Palestine."
Might wanna check the Wikipedia page for Second Battle of Gaza.
"No aussie mounted infantry in Palestine,or anything aussie for that matter (until war end to march in uncontested)."
Yes, this entire movie is a work of fiction. In fact, there was no World War I. EVAH.
"Turks had more than capable officers themselves."
This movie doesn't deny that, actually. If you watch the second half, they actually portray the Turkish commander at Beersheba as an intelligent man, and his German attache as a dunderhead.
ODDBALL SOK no Australians in Palestine?
Are you really that stupid?
I totally agree with u!
Cybermat47
"helped defeat the Turkish Advance (= OFFENSIVE) to Romani and, by March 1917, had forced the enemy back to the line Gaza-Beersheba (which is the first line between DESERT Sinai and start of urbanisation in Palestine)".
Technically the DOORSTEP of Palestine..not palestine proper.
It's like claiming Germany had invaded Britain and was active in Britain...when they only had a Uboat ploughing through the Orkney waters...and landed perhaps a landing party at a desolate Island....
Oh shit not you again
On a trivial note, does anyone know why the Turkish hats looked so silly? Sort of like a wool beehive on their heads... they didn't protect against bullets or shrapnel, and they didn't even protect the Turks' eyes from the sun like the British pith helmets did. Just seemed like an odd choice.