All this is missing is an end credits note like in biopics. Leto II would go on to transform into a human sand worm and rule the imperium with an iron fist as god emperor for 3000 years. But yeah sure all leaders are but human
@@jm5887 well let’s get a little perspective here. Leto ruled with an iron fist in order to teach a lesson that mankind would take in forever. He wanted to show them that having anyone as a leader/God isn’t good for mankind because it would have lead to stagnation and ultimately extinction. He was growing their desires to expand further in the universe without submission to a single entity’s prophecies. That’s the idea.
@@Stitchman3875 thanks for bringing this up I intended my comment to just be a joke. But as you brought up. Leto's actual plans and why he did what he did are actually very well written and interesting. In the end what he did and how he did it bettered humanity and brought them into a new age where they would never be enslaved by an emperor like him or other tyrants again.
@@jm5887 Glad it helped. I'm a big fan of the books, and I'm re-reading them in light of the new movie(s). I hope they can get to at least God Emperor of Dune. That would great.
Of all the attempts at making Dune, a low budget Syfy Channel series with great acting, beautiful music and horrible costume design and even worse digital composite shots, is still the best. I know some shot are beyond hokey, but I can't help but loving this series. I have them both on DVD.
I think I just have a high tolerance for "bad" effects because I seldom mind it at all. As long as its enough to get across the idea of what's happening I can buy it.
All of that is true but its a wonderful effort. Dune is something that can't be just a movie or even two. There is so much detail and story that it deserves a Game of Thrones type effort.
Context is everything...no matter the cheapness of the set, or the costumes or the FX...the source material is such that it rises above all malfunctions of this series...I too am a fan of it because I am a fan of Herbert
He's turning out to be at the top of the a-list with Dicaprio and Tom Cruise. Probably one of the best actors of this generation. Certainly more versatile than most.
i think that remark doesn't give him enough credit for the superb acting and interest in the role, he clearly knew more about dune than david lynch did and he was just playing a role in it, not directing it.
@@jacktenrec63 Humanity at this point had been living across the Known Universe (the bounds of which have remained the same for a very long time due to lack of expansion), having remained in this state for millennia which resulted in stagnation and the possibility for any single person or faction to have absolute control of the Known Universe, as demonstrated by the Atreides. The goal therefore was to steer humanity down a path, the Golden Path, which forces humanity to scatter across the stars and expand the Known Universe, along with forcing technological and societal development in the process, and also to ensure that humanity will forever be immune to prescience (so that no tyrant like Paul or Leto can ever rise again and wield absolute power over the Known Universe through the use of prescience). Paul was originally meant to herald the Golden Path through the jihad launched by the Fremen in his name, but this failed because Paul tried to contain the jihad instead of letting it run its course. Had it been allowed to continue unimpeded, humanity would have been forced to scatter across the universe, but this did not happen. Leto therefore had to initiate the Golden Path himself, but his method was to become an immortal sandworm-human hybrid tyrant with absolute prescience, enforcing very tight, totalitarian control over the Known Universe for millennia. People were not allowed to leave the planets they were on, Leto hoarded all the spice to himself, and he also deprived all the major factions of the Old Imperium of power (Bene Gesserit, Guild, etc.). He also took control of the Bene Gesserit breeding program in order to distribute the genetic trait of immunity to prescience (originating with his sister Ghanima) across humanity. All this bottled up humanity for millennia, and the eventual death of Leto resulted in a great exodus of humanity across the stars called the Scattering. Never again can humanity be controlled by any single faction, or any single person with absolute prescience.
@@jacktenrec63 no one knows what Frank Herbert would have the Great Enemy be because he died I think a year after Chapterhouse Dune and he intended to finish the series with a seventh novel but it never happened. He wanted humanity to scatter and learn to beware of leaders like Paul and himself by being tyrant for 3500 years as the God Emperor of Dune. His sister Ghanima and Farad’n has children and their descendent Siona Atreides was what Leto was trying to create through the breeding program which was a human that cannot be seen in prescience. After Leto orchestrated his own death humanity would scatter throughout the universe and diversify and hide and beware of their leaders and all of Siona’s blood will possess her gene of being immune to prescience so the Great Enemy cannot bring humanity to extinction. In the expanded Dune books by Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson they made the Great Enemy the remnants of the machine empire that survived the purging of all thinking machines 10,000 years before book 1 though they kinda contradict things in Frank’s original saga so the fan base is kinda split on the expanded novels.
@@jacktenrec63 Mankind would become too reliant on machines again, as well as prescience. The ixians, dabbling in forbidden science, would create a kind of machine that could hunt down all humanity using prescience. This was one of a number of possible futures, each one ending similarly with mankind going extinct due to one reason or another. Every future ended with us as a dead species, all save one: the Golden Path.
Faradn is really the only guy to get a happy end in all of it. Closed the rift between the attredis and corrino, became the emperor's scribe and ancestor to all attredis that followed. Siona and moneo both hold the blood of attredis, corrino and harkonnen
This is a great way to summarize What dune is really about after all the layers and levels of metaphor, politics, religion and allegory, it's about Leaders making mistakes, because even the leaders people see as messianic can still make mistakes.
Totally agree. That was the first time I saw him, too, and I was astonished how he became Leto II for me. He and Ian McNiece were among my favourites in the series. His friendly banter with his sister around Irulan... his cautious waltz around his mother. His pity of Alia. He really feels like a youngster with many lives sticked inside of him, with ages behind the eyes. He's kinda like the Doctor - he may look young, but looks are deceptive. He's not a kid.
If anyone bet on actors' careers, this miniseries would've been like an insider tip "hey this random kid you've never heard of? he's going all the way".
It’s funny because everyone always talks about how great he was in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe and I remember seeing it and being really disappointed that he didn’t get to show off his versatility the way he did in Children of Dune.
One can hope that after the remake does well we might get more. Great cast, amazing director and state of the art technology will make Dune even more epic than it already is.
@@FVD I don't think you know what a remake is! A remake is a production of a film, television series, video game, or similar form of entertainment that is based upon an earlier production. A remake tells the same story as the original but uses a different cast and may alter the theme or target audience.
@@hitzncritzmobilegaming9988 wrong, mate! This is a new adaptation of the book, which in turn, does not make it a remake of the existing film. Denis himself has stated that he's going back to the book, thus taking nothing from Lynch's earlier work. Was Peter Jackson's adaptation of Lord of the Rings a remake of Ralph Bakshi's film? Again, 2 different adaptations of Tolkien's novel(s).
When Leto II said "to remind you of Maud'Dib, to remind you all humans make mistakes, and to remind you leaders are all but human." It makes total sense to me because I know that I can make mistakes and there's people and leaders that think they are perfect when clearly they aren't. It resonates to the world today, the first three books of Dune, and how we must learn to be above this, not to have no flaws, but to accept we are not perfect.
Very cleverly written passage, because it leaves it ambiguous whether Leto is including himself in that assessment - after all, at that point he's no longer fully human, so he could mean that it doesn't apply to him.
@@Shalott63 That's an interesting question. On one hand, yes. On the other, part of his sacrifice, of his Golden Path is that he will follow his vision for years, and centuries to come. He will have no free will, so while he probably will make mistakes, he won't do anything critical to the success of his plan. Stilgar could have understood his words because Stilgar witnessed the tragedy of Muad'Dib firsthand. For everyone else, he had four thousand years to make everyone hate and fear him - and, as a consequence, hate and fear the repetition of him: any leader with unlimited power. He saw human temptation to be led, to follow the prophet unquestioningly, and made sure we choked on that temptation to the point of complete repulsion. Hammered the lesson of "free will" into the humanity. And paid for it by stripping himself of free will. When he showed weakness and deviated from the path, he was eventually overthrown... but humans learned the lesson to never again trust the leaders, or gods (or god-emperors) blindly.
@@toh786 Such a contrast seeing him in "Split". Brilliant actor. I can only wish and dream that the new Dune movie is amazing, and that they will make more and that HE will indeed play the god emperor.
This ending is sad, not only for the sacrifices that Leto II made, but also for all the dead that were needed to come to this point. But it is even more sad for the dead and the sacrifices that are to come, for Leto II but for all Humanity to come. This ending is so sad when you know the whole story, when you know what really is the agony of Leto II. Leto II decided what Paul should have decided but couldn't, Paul became the slave of his visions and had finally to proclaim the arrival of the God Emperor and the Golden Path, he had to accept that everything he did to avoid that future was useless and the sacrifice he couldn't make will be the burden of his son. Yes Leto II was the stronger of the twins, but in a lots of ways he his the stronger in all the Atreides. For humanity he became a monster and a tyrant, for humanity he will live a forever agony, the one that will have no end. The life of Leto II is a tragedy, he will never be thanks for what he did, he will be hated for what he did. And finally it is normal because he choose to become the worst predator humanity has and will ever know. With his arrival the humankind will change forever in a way she couldn't even imagine and will survive. Finally who is the real Kwisatz Haderack ? Duncan Idaho ? Leto II ? for me it is Leto II because when he decided to be the God Emperor and then when he did knowing that the Golden Path continues the humanity was already saved, at least for him. I love the way he come back in the last book and then disappear in Shaitan/Shai-Hulud. Leto II is really the best character ever made.
Leto II had to become the ultimate predator to keep humanity on the golden path. I always thought Paul failed to predict humanity's ultimate extinction if they strayed from the golden path and that's why he didnt do what needed to be done. There was a coming threat that would use precience to hunt down every human and only by forcing humans to evolve in a predator prey process to produce humans that could fade from precience could they survive.
on just earth there have been 110,000,000,000 humans in the last 250,000 years. the amount of misery and suffering on just this one planet are hard to fathom.
@@RoyCyberPunk not a face dancer...Hwi is genetic mirror of Erlin Malky. Erlin was one of the few humans Leto respected Erlin understood Leto. although he lived Hwi, he really couldn't love her. Hence the brilliance of the creation of Hwi.
@@RoyCyberPunk The Thelaxu Masters create the ghola. i thought that the Face Dancers were creations of the Masters.. I remember God Emperor being very specific that Hwi Noree wasn't actually created by the Thelaxu but by the Ixians with borrowed Thelaxu tech. Look it up in God Emperor of Dune. There may be a connection to Ghanima but I just don't remember it it the books. Seems like a reread is called for.
There is a very real and true beauty in this end scene. Terribly sad and poignant, involving immense sacrifice. A movingly tragic beauty, like all of the Dune saga, like all of the history of humanity itself.
@@TheKennethECarper Fun Fact: People saw Leto as God whilst the Tleilaxu saw him as a prophet in the same way how some Catholics see Jesus as a God when Muslims see him as as a prophet. Dune is full of Islamic undertones...
The 2003 Children of Dune series wasn't perfect but it was still a pretty decent adaptation and I really enjoyed it, especially James McAvoy's performance as Leto II and Jessica Brooks as Ghanima (I wish she continued acting more). I can't imagine anyone else playing those characters other than those two now. I have this series on Blu-ray and rewatch it every few years. It's really the best adaptation of any Dune book so far (until we see the new film directed by Denis Villeneuve)
They've already messed up the lore of the Fremen by gender bending Liet Kynes. And I have yet to hear a single line from the book spoken in the trailers...not a good sign
@@Excalibur01 Dune the book was really short on female characters. It was written in the early 1960s and just the inclusion of Jessica as a complex character alone was a major break with a lot of previous sci-fi. Books and lore aren't sacred to me, they are fiction after all. The only serious issues I have is that they keep the major themes and essential story intact and coherent. For instance, they all fight with knives here, there is no ah-chaa gun or loads of laser guns like in the 1984 movie or the miniseries. The body shields are key to explaining this universe. To keep Dune from being mostly exposition due to the way it is written and have such a complex story even make sense they have to change a lot of stuff. Modernizing the dialogue, will probably help with that. And put more emphasis on issues like an ecological crisis, rather more pertinent today, if it works, good. If they want to gender-bend Liet, I couldn't care less. It doesn't affect the story or themes at all.
@@squamish4244 True but rewriting a book to be adapted for "modern" audience is also wrong and insulting to the original source. If LOTR was written today, the majority of the cast would be more "diverse".
@@Excalibur01 Is it wrong? How realistic is it that a galactic empire of 13,000 planets is all white, including Arrakis, whose city dwellers are from who knows how many places? It seems the Fremen are cast now as more obviously darker-skinned, which would make sense after seven generations in the desert and their culture being based on the Arabs. Even in the book when the Emperor lands, it appears that his entire entourage is white. The Sardaukar are probably white from being from one cold, dark planet. But their families, and everyone else? Even the Emperor himself? At least in the 2000 miniseries he was Mediterranean and had a foreign accent, and in the Children of Dune miniseries, Stilgar did too. Middle Earth was huge, and I was kind of disappointed that the 'bad' humans had eyeshadow or were dark-skinned. Yes, that's how Tolkien wrote it...70-85 years ago. But in the 21st Century movies? C'mon, Peter. Both Tolkien and Herbert were progressive for their time in even having ONE major realistic female character and Herbert had a number of smaller ones. Fast-forward half to 3/4 of a century, they probably wouldn't have written it so white and dudey. Tolkien was not at all a racist, but I think there's a lot of unconscious racism in the books. He described the orcs as "looking more extreme than the most savage of the Mongoloid peoples" which was a no-brainer for the movies to ignore. The enemies for hundreds of years when he was a kid were not the Germans but the exotic Turks. So he was a man of his time, like Herbert, like we all are. As Paul says, times change. But for authors who are still alive...for instance, when the cast of The Witcher was announced, some people flew off the handle until Andrej Sapowski said that if he wrote the books today, he would have made them more diverse. It's *based* on Poland, but it's actually a huge continent. And then there's the vagaries of history which are just good to redress. Poland used to be a lot more ethnically diverse for centuries, including a lot of Mongol descendants who settled there. Still white, but not bleached-white. The reason Poland is so ethnically homogeneous today is...Hitler. It's not insulting to me, and probably not a lot of fans of the book. It depends on one's tastes.
@@squamish4244 You're right but also assuming complete diversity for the sake of diversity is also wrong. If this was made 15 years ago when the current trend of representation in everything isn't on the front of every hack Hollywood writer's mind, then it'd be ok. Gender bending character isn't even a new thing 20 years ago but now anytime you see a gender bend or race swap, it is very political
Bobbius Shadow Well, to be fair he’s dead as far as human beings know it. Leto’s consciousness is gone after becoming the worms. He technically lives on but is not in control and not aware of anything. For all intents and purposes Leto dies.
@@isaacsorrels4077 I think his little droplets are still self-aware. That's part of the agony. To never die, to "live" in that state forever. It's something that it hard to get your brain around.
I was buying my wife a valentines present which was the last book Herbert wrote in this series. As i was standing there looking through it some guy standing in the aisle says to me "you know he died today don't ya"? At first i didn't believe him and checked at the cash register if it was true and they said it was true. It was a sad day.
I wish Paul found the courage to go through with the sacrifice, instead of leaving the burden to his son Leto. I don't think any father would want his son to suffer for 3500 years.
Paul knew that while he was a Kwisatz Haderach he was not "The" Kwisatz Haderach that could see the plan through. He put things into motion out of a desire for vengeance, not out of some altruistic view of what humanity needed to become. And he just lacked the strength of will to carry the plan to its endgame.
Good ending for the miniseries, but the book ending is better. Ghanima actually marries Leto, in pharaonic tradition, while Faradn becomes her lover and the father of future Atreides children, a "male concubine". Faradn sardaukar and Stilgar's fremen are actually merged and Leto uses them to put down any rebellions. Stilgar the fremen and Tyeka'nik the sardaukar become friends.
@@wesporter2176 Yeah, they end up dating for a while if memory serves. The actors I mean. When he put the sandtrout skin on him, Leto willingly becomes an alien, with an alien body chemistry and organs. Within months (not shown in the movie) he becomes unable to have children. After years, he doesn't have a penis anymore. He tells it to Farad'n at the end of the book, as he walks out.
@@Dude-sr4ji I would have liked even more if they would have shown the testing that Leto is subjected to and registered in The Apocrifa, the Fremen "book of deeds" shall we call it. Reportedly, he laugh as vials of poison break on his skin, all weapons bend or break as they're thrown at him, in the end, he walks to the spaceport and topples a guild frigate by lifting it's landing leg.
Dune: Lady Jessica, "You see her standing there, so haughty, so confident. Let us hope she finds solace in her writings and her books. She will have little else." "She may have my son's name. But it is we who carry the names concubines, the history will call wives." Children Of Dune: Ghanima: "As my mother was not the wife, you shall never be husband." "But in time there may be love, which is more than my brother will have." The closing of both series is able to capture something so primal about the humanity and its survival. The love in the first could never be acknowledged because politics but it was the source of Kwisatch Haderach and then the next we see that what was politics in the beginning would become love and bring about the birth of something which evaded Prescience for the first time. Man, FH writes some of the most intriguing, dramatic and ironic loops
@@Radb707 As a book 📚 reader, this was my getaway from this ending. The whole reason I started these two series in the first place was because of the accuracy towards the books!
agony is for the stronger to endure...it has always been so as it will be till stars no longer exist and nothing remains to replace them but memories of shadows once distant
This miniseries may not have had the big budget FX the current adaptation will have but the storytelling and acting was super and the music was fantastic it truly transported you to a very alien environment and future. I hope that the current adaptation brings the same level of storytelling and is not just a visual FX extravaganza.
The diamond-shaped sand trout covered Leto II’s body like scales. They formed a hood about his face like that of a still suit. And he swam through the sands like a worm, not run across it like The Flash.
I like how Stilgar squeezes the ring, like he is proud and emotional about the memories of the events related to it. In the end, all is but a show, enjoy the show!
@@melvaburke2608 I want to see Leto as the worm. Spoiler alert... He turns out worse than Alia and no one can kill him so he rules for thousands of years.
@@ElGatoLoco698 Yes! That would be something! But, I don't think that can be pulled off! Especially to hold an audience interested in watching a Human Head encased in a huge slithering embodiment! However, I still Hope the Dune/Children of Dune stories can be told with More Depth of the Characters & the parts they played! My Humble⚘Opinion 😎
@@ElGatoLoco698 Another spoiler alert! I don't think he turns out worse than Alia. He doesn't just see the past, he sees the future. Where Alia's abomination was to keep herself in power for the Baron's selfish reasons, Leto's transformation was for the good of humanity. Being harsh gets the human race where they need to be - to be resistant to manipulation by the Spice or Bene Geserit (sp?) or other groups. And in the end, he doesn't really die. He lives on in droplets, experiencing the universe and reality, which is very poignant, because he will never experience his own death.
1:16 "To remind you of Mua'dib. To remind you that all humans make mistakes. And that all leaders are but human." What goes unspoken is that Leto is no longer human, and he is far more than a leader, he is now a god.
Macavoy as god-emperor would have been perfect...especially after watching his performance as the beast from split(which is animalistic like the emperor)
I watched this when it came out in my teens and just now decades and a few tours later, Gehema's last sentence just punched 👊 me in the face. When a 2003 TV mini series dialog can out do 90% of what 2021 Hollywood produces, damn.
You're meaning Hwi Noree, don't you? Yes, she reawakens the humanity in him, because in a way Leto can only make the ultimate sacrifice as a human. And Ghanima's words in the miniseries about Leto putting his head in her lap and asking to die (asking Ghanima to kill him?!) actually turn out to be deeply prophetic in this sense, with Siona, the agent of Leto's death, actually being a descendant of Ghanima through Farad'n. (Siona also carries a gene that makes her unaccessible to prescience, and in the miniseries it is implied that Ghanima might already have been the carrier of this gene - before the birth of the twins, Paul has visions of Leto but not of Ghanima.)
@@marysueeasteregg i've looked it up; you're right...I guess they wanted to get in a few foreshadowings to the later books, perhaps knowing or suspecting that they would not be filmed. I mean Dune and Dune Messiah and even Children of Dune have ideas that we are familiar with and can sympathize with to different degrees - the coming-of-age story of Paul Atreides, the disillusionment with him as a leader figure and Frank Herbert's distrust of charismatic leader figures in general, the need for the son to continue what the father started but could not finish (the Golden Path).But the further you get in the series, the more complex and paradox the ideas become - the idea that Leto must become the tyrant he later becomes in order to save humanity, and that this is the kind of leader that humanity needs, rather the one it wants (the charismatic Messiah figure) may not be an idea accessible or acceptable to everyone, and actually seems a slap in the face of many people who are living and suffering under tyrannical rulers today (this is actually supposed to be GOOD for people - preposterous!!!). Also, the first three books can still superficially be understood as adventure stories one can read or watch for entertainment, and not everyone might appreciate having to deal merely with "ideas", especially if they are sd difficult to stomach as that. I know that I would love to see the later books filmed or televised, but the audience for something like that would, on the whole, be rather limited. Accordingly, the sacrifice that Leto has to make is left relatively vague - we only know that he sacrifices his individuality and his free will in some way ("my skin is not my own") and that he will be very lonely and have to dispense what is commonplace for other human beings.
Jon R yeah, it has a big budget, a great director and the crew he’s assembling is talented. They split the first book into 2 movies so they have the time to do it right. Filming starts next year.
And then he became a worm god, conquering the known galaxy, and forcing all space travel to stop for 3400 years, once he eventually dies the extended period of stagnation and sudden free will will then create an immense desire to spread out into the unknown like never before, just as he planned.
Children of Dune mini-series captured the heart of the book. While changes were made in the transition from book/screen, I think they only improved upon the story.
@@playbookshowme484 loosing family may be the best thing that could happen. It may not be easy, simple or nicely put in ant way, still best thing that could happen. And also, without the whirlwind, no transformation is possible.
The new dune part 2 ending actually reminded me a lot of this ending. It almost feels thematically similar, even though I know theres differences. But the uplifting music with the sad realisation that there is a horrible future awaiting is just too on the nose. Even the lighting is the same, but you could juat chock that up to sand planet sunset go brrr.
Yes - I feel this should be the ending of the new Dune franchise - that might take more than 1 film though. But after this - I think the story becomes in manageable for film or even a series - they would really need to reworked it and not resurrect Duncun a million times.
I so want Dune Messiah to complete a trilogy after the two new Dune films by Villeneuve. Children of Dune can still be a sequel film but Messiah would be like a Fall of Muad'Dib chapter. Ending would be bitter-sweet, however, as Chani dies while giving birth to the twins, Paul leaves, never to be heard from until the next book, of course. Already imagining Timothée Chalamet delivering a knock-out performance as the Priest, damn! Already beginning to wonder if George Lucas stole from Dune again with the birth of the twins. Seems pretty obvious, lol.
James McAvoy does the part reasonably well, BUT - I wish the producers/directors would remember that in the books the twins Leto II and Ghanima are only 9-year-old! . - which is what makes Leto's transformation and powerful abilities so startling to all the adults.
It would have been near impossible to find one child actor, much less two, to do credit to the roles. It's hard enough to find child actors who can do a really good job playing *children* -- regardless of how talented they are, their training is far from complete, and acting is largely a learned craft. Herbert's twins are not really children, they're adults in the bodies of children. I agree something is lost in having the twins cast older, but much more would be lost in having child actors of the "right" age who are over their heads with the material. For myself, I'd rather have, as we do here, highly competent young adult actors. I've read someone who complained about the same/similar issue of the character Claudia in Interview with the Vampire. But it's the same problem: Claudia is an adult in a child's body! You're asking for the near-impossible, if you cast the role as written in Rice's novel. (Claudia was cast as a child, but an older one.) The child-Alia in some ways poses an even greater problem, because she is younger than the twins, and her age can't be adjusted much, due to the timing of Jessica's pregnancy. But child-Alia is not, thankfully,nearly as important a character in Dune as the Atreides twins are in Children of Dune, or Claudia in Interview with the Vampire. These issues are also probably why in all three versions of Dune, the central role of Paul, who is far from a normal teenager, has been played by actors in their twenties (Newman was 26, McLachlan 25, Chalamet of the upcoming version 23) rather than by actors in their mid-teens. And why in Game of Thrones, Isaac Hempstead Wright was cute and competent playing Bran as a child, and (IMO) wooden playing him as an all-knowing being in an adolescent's body. I thought at the time, btw, that McEvoy was terrific, the single best performance in Children of Dune. I was not surprised he's subsequently had a successful, high-profile career.
I felt my skin crawl when Steven Berkoff pronounced Sietch Tabr as Sietch TBAR -- uuuuhhh. It's Sietch TA-br, one vowel, stress on the first syllable. I never thought he made a very good Stilgar, the Czech guy in the first miniseries was the best Stilgar in my opinion, followed by Everett McGill.
Everett McGill was never allowed to act in that awful movie. He just progressed from sonorous pronouncement to the next. Actually, that was pretty much what all the speaking cast did in that movie - a high-level cast all sounding like second-rate amateurs.
The guy who played Stilgar in the first miniseries actually was German. "The Czech guy" you're meaning is probably the one who played Liet (and I thought he was far too young for that part) - and the same actor played Korba in the second miniseries, but without hair.
Now I know how Star Wars super fans feel when the new one is about to drop. I can’t wait to see the new Dune movie. I think it’s gonna be just as big as Star Wars and Avengers. Also, you can see in this scene that James McAvoy is gonna be a huge star. So talented.
Spoiler alert: He becomes massive Emperor worm God and rules over humanity with an iron fist for over 3500 years. He created a perfect villain for humanity to overcome: himself. He put in plans for spice to return from him, for Arrakis to once again become the eternal dune, so that humanity would burst into the universe, able and eager to touch and know all things, too big for any autocracy, too diverse to stagnate, free of the cycle of struggle. He knew all this from the beginning, such was the power of Leto II, and the sacrifice of the Golden path.
Characters turning into freaks in these books. Leto II turning into a sandworm, men into ugly navigators, Duncan into serial clones. Human colonizers of other planets evolving into freaks too.
The new movie had the $$$, I actually thought they look stunning. But I hate the editing, not hate...more like..tsk, I wish they could edit it better so that there would be more "heart" instead of just 'action'
It's not the spice. The Fremen constantly ingest spice, they are surrounded by it; they don't turn into sandworms. Leto deliberately let the Little Makers/sandtrout adhere to his skin to begin the transformation.
@@inachu Okaaay ...that's interesting. I gave up after God Emperor, since I had liked each succeeding book less. And liked even less the snatches I read of my husband's Brian Herbert/Kevin Anderson books. Dune itself is in the running for my favorite novel. Which book(s) gives this lore? If it's Frank's work, including the notes for his planned 7th Dune novel, I stand corrected. If it's in the purely collaborative stuff, I shy away from viewing it as canon.
@@marysueeasteregg Not collaboration at all but this is a starting video to watch. Dune is really supposed to be based on future earth history ruclips.net/video/oI0Cd73lxcw/видео.html
That's not nature of the spice. Navigators doesn't turn into worm, they just mutate into grotesque form. And they seriously overdose spice to be able to navigate through space. Leto changed into worm (almost, with hands and head intact) through symbiosis with sandtrout. Those sand trout who dissolved from his body upon his death carried a spark of his sentience within them which allowed Sheena (few ceturies later iirc) to control them and then enough prescience to dig deep when Honored Matres obliterated planet's surface. Original Herbert's novels didn't really dig in Earth's future. Dune was something else. Books were written to describe effects on religions, still present in the future. How even best intentions can turn you into man responsible for mass executions. How you can turn into a slave of ppl obsession. Of the doctrine you initiated but long lost control of. And also... how hard are the choices to preserve future in the long run. And how misunderstood you are by those shortsighted.
I wish to hell they'd actually carried on with the rest of the books. This is the most accurate adaptation ever done for the Dune books. No "Made it rain because I'm a God" - but the actual point of the books: The Atredies are NOT gods - they're very powerful men who try to do the best they can for the human race over millenia.
It's supposed to be a signet ring. That ring couldn't be more the opposite of a signet ring. Is Leto supposed to stamp his letters with a hole? Because that big pyramid would push right through the paper.
"All leaders are but human"
*Actually makes himself a god-worm like a boss*
All this is missing is an end credits note like in biopics. Leto II would go on to transform into a human sand worm and rule the imperium with an iron fist as god emperor for 3000 years. But yeah sure all leaders are but human
thats what he was pointing at... he might be a leader, but in the end, even changed, he will remain "human", as he remains flawed.
@@jm5887 well let’s get a little perspective here. Leto ruled with an iron fist in order to teach a lesson that mankind would take in forever. He wanted to show them that having anyone as a leader/God isn’t good for mankind because it would have lead to stagnation and ultimately extinction. He was growing their desires to expand further in the universe without submission to a single entity’s prophecies. That’s the idea.
@@Stitchman3875 thanks for bringing this up I intended my comment to just be a joke. But as you brought up. Leto's actual plans and why he did what he did are actually very well written and interesting. In the end what he did and how he did it bettered humanity and brought them into a new age where they would never be enslaved by an emperor like him or other tyrants again.
@@jm5887 Glad it helped. I'm a big fan of the books, and I'm re-reading them in light of the new movie(s). I hope they can get to at least God Emperor of Dune. That would great.
Of all the attempts at making Dune, a low budget Syfy Channel series with great acting, beautiful music and horrible costume design and even worse digital composite shots, is still the best. I know some shot are beyond hokey, but I can't help but loving this series. I have them both on DVD.
I think I just have a high tolerance for "bad" effects because I seldom mind it at all. As long as its enough to get across the idea of what's happening I can buy it.
All of that is true but its a wonderful effort. Dune is something that can't be just a movie or even two. There is so much detail and story that it deserves a Game of Thrones type effort.
@@bakoyma
Agreed. :)
Context is everything...no matter the cheapness of the set, or the costumes or the FX...the source material is such that it rises above all malfunctions of this series...I too am a fan of it because I am a fan of Herbert
I loved this stuff when it came out. The costumes didn't bother me then, but now, yeah, they're pretty bad🙂
James McAvoy as Leto II is brilliant casting!
Aaron Staley this was when they could afford him
M C Too true! 😂
He's turning out to be at the top of the a-list with Dicaprio and Tom Cruise. Probably one of the best actors of this generation. Certainly more versatile than most.
i think that remark doesn't give him enough credit for the superb acting and interest in the role, he clearly knew more about dune than david lynch did and he was just playing a role in it, not directing it.
@@saywhat303 no, i dont mind the crackheads. i simply disagree with their view of what brilliance is.
The passion everyone had, and the effort put into the music, sets, and writing, overshadows the shoestring budget this adaptation had.
Leto II must transform himself and go down “The Golden Path” so humanity can survive. What a Sacrifice.
what was the threat to the humanity and why the golden path was necessary ?
@@jacktenrec63 Humanity at this point had been living across the Known Universe (the bounds of which have remained the same for a very long time due to lack of expansion), having remained in this state for millennia which resulted in stagnation and the possibility for any single person or faction to have absolute control of the Known Universe, as demonstrated by the Atreides. The goal therefore was to steer humanity down a path, the Golden Path, which forces humanity to scatter across the stars and expand the Known Universe, along with forcing technological and societal development in the process, and also to ensure that humanity will forever be immune to prescience (so that no tyrant like Paul or Leto can ever rise again and wield absolute power over the Known Universe through the use of prescience).
Paul was originally meant to herald the Golden Path through the jihad launched by the Fremen in his name, but this failed because Paul tried to contain the jihad instead of letting it run its course. Had it been allowed to continue unimpeded, humanity would have been forced to scatter across the universe, but this did not happen.
Leto therefore had to initiate the Golden Path himself, but his method was to become an immortal sandworm-human hybrid tyrant with absolute prescience, enforcing very tight, totalitarian control over the Known Universe for millennia. People were not allowed to leave the planets they were on, Leto hoarded all the spice to himself, and he also deprived all the major factions of the Old Imperium of power (Bene Gesserit, Guild, etc.). He also took control of the Bene Gesserit breeding program in order to distribute the genetic trait of immunity to prescience (originating with his sister Ghanima) across humanity. All this bottled up humanity for millennia, and the eventual death of Leto resulted in a great exodus of humanity across the stars called the Scattering. Never again can humanity be controlled by any single faction, or any single person with absolute prescience.
@@jacktenrec63 no one knows what Frank Herbert would have the Great Enemy be because he died I think a year after Chapterhouse Dune and he intended to finish the series with a seventh novel but it never happened. He wanted humanity to scatter and learn to beware of leaders like Paul and himself by being tyrant for 3500 years as the God Emperor of Dune. His sister Ghanima and Farad’n has children and their descendent Siona Atreides was what Leto was trying to create through the breeding program which was a human that cannot be seen in prescience. After Leto orchestrated his own death humanity would scatter throughout the universe and diversify and hide and beware of their leaders and all of Siona’s blood will possess her gene of being immune to prescience so the Great Enemy cannot bring humanity to extinction. In the expanded Dune books by Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson they made the Great Enemy the remnants of the machine empire that survived the purging of all thinking machines 10,000 years before book 1 though they kinda contradict things in Frank’s original saga so the fan base is kinda split on the expanded novels.
@@jacktenrec63 Mankind would become too reliant on machines again, as well as prescience. The ixians, dabbling in forbidden science, would create a kind of machine that could hunt down all humanity using prescience. This was one of a number of possible futures, each one ending similarly with mankind going extinct due to one reason or another. Every future ended with us as a dead species, all save one: the Golden Path.
But he became what he pretty much swore not to become.
Ghani is such a good Sister. Empathetic, compassionate, thoughtful and considerate.
Fun Fact: "Ghanima" means a 'prize of war' in Arabic, give or take.
@@toh786 and spoils of combat in fremen as Paul said when he named her :)
Why the hell did Frank Herbert name her that
@@DG-gx4sg Because he did not see her, only Leto II in his prescient vision, she was a happy surprise for him.
and incest-ually infatuated.
Faradn is really the only guy to get a happy end in all of it. Closed the rift between the attredis and corrino, became the emperor's scribe and ancestor to all attredis that followed. Siona and moneo both hold the blood of attredis, corrino and harkonnen
His genetics is also the only one that lead to the No gene and freeing humanity from prescience.
This is a great way to summarize What dune is really about after all the layers and levels of metaphor, politics, religion and allegory, it's about Leaders making mistakes, because even the leaders people see as messianic can still make mistakes.
And it's our shared responsibility to hold them accountable.
This series is what made me a fan of James McAvoy. It was the first time I ever saw him in a role and he nailed the character.
Yeah he really nailed it. I hope if DV gets to God Emperor of Dune they offer James McAvoy a chance to do it.
Totally agree.
That was the first time I saw him, too, and I was astonished how he became Leto II for me. He and Ian McNiece were among my favourites in the series.
His friendly banter with his sister around Irulan... his cautious waltz around his mother. His pity of Alia. He really feels like a youngster with many lives sticked inside of him, with ages behind the eyes. He's kinda like the Doctor - he may look young, but looks are deceptive. He's not a kid.
If anyone bet on actors' careers, this miniseries would've been like an insider tip "hey this random kid you've never heard of? he's going all the way".
It’s funny because everyone always talks about how great he was in The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe and I remember seeing it and being really disappointed that he didn’t get to show off his versatility the way he did in Children of Dune.
Man, a miniseries of God Emperor of Dune would have been so cool.
One can hope that after the remake does well we might get more. Great cast, amazing director and state of the art technology will make Dune even more epic than it already is.
@@hitzncritzmobilegaming9988 agreed on your points, but do remember, this is not a remake. Consider this a new adaptation instead. 😊
@@hitzncritzmobilegaming9988 still keep it small since it might be a big dissapointment....
@@FVD I don't think you know what a remake is!
A remake is a production of a film, television series, video game, or similar form of entertainment that is based upon an earlier production. A remake tells the same story as the original but uses a different cast and may alter the theme or target audience.
@@hitzncritzmobilegaming9988 wrong, mate! This is a new adaptation of the book, which in turn, does not make it a remake of the existing film. Denis himself has stated that he's going back to the book, thus taking nothing from Lynch's earlier work.
Was Peter Jackson's adaptation of Lord of the Rings a remake of Ralph Bakshi's film? Again, 2 different adaptations of Tolkien's novel(s).
When Leto II said "to remind you of Maud'Dib, to remind you all humans make mistakes, and to remind you leaders are all but human." It makes total sense to me because I know that I can make mistakes and there's people and leaders that think they are perfect when clearly they aren't. It resonates to the world today, the first three books of Dune, and how we must learn to be above this, not to have no flaws, but to accept we are not perfect.
amen
Wise words indeed.
We're dealing with a leader of a major power right now who thought he couldn't make mistakes and was above everyone else.
Very cleverly written passage, because it leaves it ambiguous whether Leto is including himself in that assessment - after all, at that point he's no longer fully human, so he could mean that it doesn't apply to him.
@@Shalott63 That's an interesting question.
On one hand, yes.
On the other, part of his sacrifice, of his Golden Path is that he will follow his vision for years, and centuries to come. He will have no free will, so while he probably will make mistakes, he won't do anything critical to the success of his plan. Stilgar could have understood his words because Stilgar witnessed the tragedy of Muad'Dib firsthand. For everyone else, he had four thousand years to make everyone hate and fear him - and, as a consequence, hate and fear the repetition of him: any leader with unlimited power.
He saw human temptation to be led, to follow the prophet unquestioningly, and made sure we choked on that temptation to the point of complete repulsion. Hammered the lesson of "free will" into the humanity. And paid for it by stripping himself of free will.
When he showed weakness and deviated from the path, he was eventually overthrown... but humans learned the lesson to never again trust the leaders, or gods (or god-emperors) blindly.
I love that they kept Ghani's last line from the end of the book. The music for this mini series was so perfect.
Actually it is Leto who says that line
I think the person you meant is Irulan, from the end of DM?
Great mini-series. James McAvoy is such a bloody good actor.
He was. And he played a similar role in the 2004 film Strings.
Still so captivating after all these years...and, in spite of all the effects and costumes, it's still the best.
I saw the new Dune movie , but the music here is far better . Really amazing
@@mastour722 Yeah, Brian Tyler done great job with this soundtrack. And i think is the best in Dune`s book adaptations.
@Otheim I cant wait for dune 2 and 3 to make so much money they make the other 4 books HBO shows. One can dream.
'He runs and runs and runs..." Well, better enjoy it while he still can before he turns into a worm-like creature.
Leto II is why I love Children of Dune! Paul is why I loved Dune.
Exactly
I love James McAvoy in anything!
@@toh786
Such a contrast seeing him in "Split". Brilliant actor. I can only wish and dream that the new Dune movie is amazing, and that they will make more and that HE will indeed play the god emperor.
I honestly believe this was one of the best sci-fi mini series when I was a child!!! Even now I believe it is one of the best!!!
This ending is sad, not only for the sacrifices that Leto II made, but also for all the dead that were needed to come to this point. But it is even more sad for the dead and the sacrifices that are to come, for Leto II but for all Humanity to come. This ending is so sad when you know the whole story, when you know what really is the agony of Leto II.
Leto II decided what Paul should have decided but couldn't, Paul became the slave of his visions and had finally to proclaim the arrival of the God Emperor and the Golden Path, he had to accept that everything he did to avoid that future was useless and the sacrifice he couldn't make will be the burden of his son.
Yes Leto II was the stronger of the twins, but in a lots of ways he his the stronger in all the Atreides. For humanity he became a monster and a tyrant, for humanity he will live a forever agony, the one that will have no end. The life of Leto II is a tragedy, he will never be thanks for what he did, he will be hated for what he did. And finally it is normal because he choose to become the worst predator humanity has and will ever know. With his arrival the humankind will change forever in a way she couldn't even imagine and will survive.
Finally who is the real Kwisatz Haderack ? Duncan Idaho ? Leto II ? for me it is Leto II because when he decided to be the God Emperor and then when he did knowing that the Golden Path continues the humanity was already saved, at least for him. I love the way he come back in the last book and then disappear in Shaitan/Shai-Hulud.
Leto II is really the best character ever made.
Lito II is Kwisatz haderack
Duncan is the final KH... I guess.
Leto II had to become the ultimate predator to keep humanity on the golden path. I always thought Paul failed to predict humanity's ultimate extinction if they strayed from the golden path and that's why he didnt do what needed to be done. There was a coming threat that would use precience to hunt down every human and only by forcing humans to evolve in a predator prey process to produce humans that could fade from precience could they survive.
he’s the original eren yeager when he commited crime against humanity to bring peace
on just earth there have been 110,000,000,000 humans in the last 250,000 years. the amount of misery and suffering on just this one planet are hard to fathom.
Ghanima: "In time there may be love. Which is more than my brother will have."
Hwi Noree: "Hold my spice beer."
She ONLY got Leto's love BECAUSE SHE WAS BRED BY THE TXHLAXIU TO LOOK BE LIKE GHANIMA
@@klyanadkmorr
Freaking face dancers.
@@RoyCyberPunk not a face dancer...Hwi is genetic mirror of Erlin Malky. Erlin was one of the few humans Leto respected Erlin understood Leto. although he lived Hwi, he really couldn't love her. Hence the brilliance of the creation of Hwi.
@@willardsteele4857
The Face Dancers are the ones who make Golas like Duncan Idaho in Children Of Dune and the one that is a Ghanima clone/Duplicate.
@@RoyCyberPunk The Thelaxu Masters create the ghola. i thought that the Face Dancers were creations of the Masters.. I remember God Emperor being very specific that Hwi Noree wasn't actually created by the Thelaxu but by the Ixians with borrowed Thelaxu tech. Look it up in God Emperor of Dune. There may be a connection to Ghanima but I just don't remember it it the books. Seems like a reread is called for.
“ charismatic leaders should come with a warning: attention, may be hazardous to your health”
Frank Herbert, 1970 interview.
There is a very real and true beauty in this end scene. Terribly sad and poignant, involving immense sacrifice. A movingly tragic beauty, like all of the Dune saga, like all of the history of humanity itself.
"All leaders make mistakes. And all leaders are but human."
"Unless they're a worm." - Random Tleilax archives.
@@toh786 Leto wasn't a leader. He was a god.
@@TheKennethECarper Fun Fact: People saw Leto as God whilst the Tleilaxu saw him as a prophet in the same way how some Catholics see Jesus as a God when Muslims see him as as a prophet. Dune is full of Islamic undertones...
ALL Catholics see Jesus as God... or they're not Catholic.
@@GenX_Catholic Interesting...
The 2003 Children of Dune series wasn't perfect but it was still a pretty decent adaptation and I really enjoyed it, especially James McAvoy's performance as Leto II and Jessica Brooks as Ghanima (I wish she continued acting more). I can't imagine anyone else playing those characters other than those two now. I have this series on Blu-ray and rewatch it every few years. It's really the best adaptation of any Dune book so far (until we see the new film directed by Denis Villeneuve)
They've already messed up the lore of the Fremen by gender bending Liet Kynes. And I have yet to hear a single line from the book spoken in the trailers...not a good sign
@@Excalibur01 Dune the book was really short on female characters. It was written in the early 1960s and just the inclusion of Jessica as a complex character alone was a major break with a lot of previous sci-fi. Books and lore aren't sacred to me, they are fiction after all. The only serious issues I have is that they keep the major themes and essential story intact and coherent. For instance, they all fight with knives here, there is no ah-chaa gun or loads of laser guns like in the 1984 movie or the miniseries. The body shields are key to explaining this universe.
To keep Dune from being mostly exposition due to the way it is written and have such a complex story even make sense they have to change a lot of stuff. Modernizing the dialogue, will probably help with that. And put more emphasis on issues like an ecological crisis, rather more pertinent today, if it works, good. If they want to gender-bend Liet, I couldn't care less. It doesn't affect the story or themes at all.
@@squamish4244 True but rewriting a book to be adapted for "modern" audience is also wrong and insulting to the original source. If LOTR was written today, the majority of the cast would be more "diverse".
@@Excalibur01 Is it wrong? How realistic is it that a galactic empire of 13,000 planets is all white, including Arrakis, whose city dwellers are from who knows how many places? It seems the Fremen are cast now as more obviously darker-skinned, which would make sense after seven generations in the desert and their culture being based on the Arabs. Even in the book when the Emperor lands, it appears that his entire entourage is white.
The Sardaukar are probably white from being from one cold, dark planet. But their families, and everyone else? Even the Emperor himself? At least in the 2000 miniseries he was Mediterranean and had a foreign accent, and in the Children of Dune miniseries, Stilgar did too.
Middle Earth was huge, and I was kind of disappointed that the 'bad' humans had eyeshadow or were dark-skinned. Yes, that's how Tolkien wrote it...70-85 years ago. But in the 21st Century movies? C'mon, Peter.
Both Tolkien and Herbert were progressive for their time in even having ONE major realistic female character and Herbert had a number of smaller ones. Fast-forward half to 3/4 of a century, they probably wouldn't have written it so white and dudey. Tolkien was not at all a racist, but I think there's a lot of unconscious racism in the books. He described the orcs as "looking more extreme than the most savage of the Mongoloid peoples" which was a no-brainer for the movies to ignore. The enemies for hundreds of years when he was a kid were not the Germans but the exotic Turks. So he was a man of his time, like Herbert, like we all are. As Paul says, times change.
But for authors who are still alive...for instance, when the cast of The Witcher was announced, some people flew off the handle until Andrej Sapowski said that if he wrote the books today, he would have made them more diverse. It's *based* on Poland, but it's actually a huge continent.
And then there's the vagaries of history which are just good to redress. Poland used to be a lot more ethnically diverse for centuries, including a lot of Mongol descendants who settled there. Still white, but not bleached-white. The reason Poland is so ethnically homogeneous today is...Hitler.
It's not insulting to me, and probably not a lot of fans of the book. It depends on one's tastes.
@@squamish4244 You're right but also assuming complete diversity for the sake of diversity is also wrong. If this was made 15 years ago when the current trend of representation in everything isn't on the front of every hack Hollywood writer's mind, then it'd be ok. Gender bending character isn't even a new thing 20 years ago but now anytime you see a gender bend or race swap, it is very political
The ending together with the knowledge of what is to come always brings tears to my eyes. Such a great mini series.
Oh the cruel, self-knowing, prescient irony of Leto's last line to Stilgar...
to be both omniscient and knowingly taking actions that will ensure both your death and that the universe will be forever changed NO F**KING THANKS
@@WardNightstone To make sure humanity survives The Great Enemy, yes Leto was cruel but it was always for the Golden Path.
He doesn’t really die, he just splits himself into the new sand worms .. Shaitas the fragmented god
Bobbius Shadow Well, to be fair he’s dead as far as human beings know it.
Leto’s consciousness is gone after becoming the worms. He technically lives on but is not in control and not aware of anything. For all intents and purposes Leto dies.
@@isaacsorrels4077 I think his little droplets are still self-aware. That's part of the agony. To never die, to "live" in that state forever. It's something that it hard to get your brain around.
I was buying my wife a valentines present which was the last book Herbert wrote in this series. As i was standing there looking through it some guy standing in the aisle says to me "you know he died today don't ya"?
At first i didn't believe him and checked at the cash register if it was true and they said it was true.
It was a sad day.
That deserves to be fucked with the book itself.
“...and all leaders are but human”. Not at my house. A little dog runs the place.
Named mine HOME OWNER.
The two kids were the highlight of this series. They both shared that see you and through you gaze.
I LOVED this series! So good! McCoy as Leto was brilliant casting.
This part was actually sad to watch, thinking of all the characters who died to get here.
That's the tragedy of humanity until it finally get's to the end of the golden path.
I wish Paul found the courage to go through with the sacrifice, instead of leaving the burden to his son Leto. I don't think any father would want his son to suffer for 3500 years.
the death of channi was too much to bare.
speak for your self my son is an asshole and disservice it!
It was too big a sacrifice.
Paul knew that while he was a Kwisatz Haderach he was not "The" Kwisatz Haderach that could see the plan through. He put things into motion out of a desire for vengeance, not out of some altruistic view of what humanity needed to become. And he just lacked the strength of will to carry the plan to its endgame.
Paul was a coward.
The music is absolutely beautiful here.
Yes - excellent themes and variations
Good ending for the miniseries, but the book ending is better.
Ghanima actually marries Leto, in pharaonic tradition, while Faradn becomes her lover and the father of future Atreides children, a "male concubine".
Faradn sardaukar and Stilgar's fremen are actually merged and Leto uses them to put down any rebellions. Stilgar the fremen and Tyeka'nik the sardaukar become friends.
Not to mention that last scene with all the delegates of the universe parading past The Worm offering gifts. Such an epic and cool scene.
Neither Faradn's Sardaukar nor Stilgar's Fremen could hold a candle to the Fish Speakers.
So do Leto and Ghanima ever get busy? Cause they sure seemed about to every scene in the series lol.
@@wesporter2176 Yeah, they end up dating for a while if memory serves. The actors I mean.
When he put the sandtrout skin on him, Leto willingly becomes an alien, with an alien body chemistry and organs. Within months (not shown in the movie) he becomes unable to have children. After years, he doesn't have a penis anymore.
He tells it to Farad'n at the end of the book, as he walks out.
@@Dude-sr4ji I would have liked even more if they would have shown the testing that Leto is subjected to and registered in The Apocrifa, the Fremen "book of deeds" shall we call it.
Reportedly, he laugh as vials of poison break on his skin, all weapons bend or break as they're thrown at him, in the end, he walks to the spaceport and topples a guild frigate by lifting it's landing leg.
Dune: Lady Jessica, "You see her standing there, so haughty, so confident. Let us hope she finds solace in her writings and her books. She will have little else."
"She may have my son's name. But it is we who carry the names concubines, the history will call wives."
Children Of Dune: Ghanima: "As my mother was not the wife, you shall never be husband."
"But in time there may be love, which is more than my brother will have."
The closing of both series is able to capture something so primal about the humanity and its survival. The love in the first could never be acknowledged because politics but it was the source of Kwisatch Haderach and then the next we see that what was politics in the beginning would become love and bring about the birth of something which evaded Prescience for the first time. Man, FH writes some of the most intriguing, dramatic and ironic loops
GHANIMA
klyana130 Yes. Sorry for the error. I must've written it half asleep. Its corrected now.
"Politics."
"Politics!"
Not the book ending though. In the book, that dude really was a male concubine and Ghanima and Leto were the ones married for politics.
@@Radb707 As a book 📚 reader, this was my getaway from this ending. The whole reason I started these two series in the first place was because of the accuracy towards the books!
agony is for the stronger to endure...it has always been so as it will be till stars no longer exist and nothing remains to replace them but memories of shadows once distant
The soundtrack for this series was amazing.
This miniseries may not have had the big budget FX the current adaptation will have but the storytelling and acting was super and the music was fantastic it truly transported you to a very alien environment and future. I hope that the current adaptation brings the same level of storytelling and is not just a visual FX extravaganza.
Forgot hot hot JAMES McAVOY was in his 20's. He still holds up well today.
I think he looks better now.
The diamond-shaped sand trout covered Leto II’s body like scales. They formed a hood about his face like that of a still suit. And he swam through the sands like a worm, not run across it like The Flash.
He swam when he became a worm, but at first, he ran.
I like how Stilgar squeezes the ring, like he is proud and emotional about the memories of the events related to it. In the end, all is but a show, enjoy the show!
I wish we could have seen what a God-Emperor of Dune adaptation would have looked like.
Considering Denis Villeneuve's passion and love for Herbert's work, we could get God Emperor as a movie. But only time will tell.
Ooh, I wish they had continued making these miniserieses >w
Rather not
TheLoneClaw; TheLoneClaw.. Me Too! If a 3rd Try can improve the story with today's technology, All the Better! (Plus Budget/Actors) 😎
@@melvaburke2608 I want to see Leto as the worm. Spoiler alert... He turns out worse than Alia and no one can kill him so he rules for thousands of years.
@@ElGatoLoco698 Yes! That would be something! But, I don't think that can be pulled off! Especially to hold an audience interested in watching a Human Head encased in a huge slithering embodiment! However, I still Hope the Dune/Children of Dune stories can be told with More Depth of the Characters & the parts they played! My Humble⚘Opinion 😎
@@ElGatoLoco698 Another spoiler alert! I don't think he turns out worse than Alia. He doesn't just see the past, he sees the future. Where Alia's abomination was to keep herself in power for the Baron's selfish reasons, Leto's transformation was for the good of humanity. Being harsh gets the human race where they need to be - to be resistant to manipulation by the Spice or Bene Geserit (sp?) or other groups. And in the end, he doesn't really die. He lives on in droplets, experiencing the universe and reality, which is very poignant, because he will never experience his own death.
1:16 "To remind you of Mua'dib. To remind you that all humans make mistakes. And that all leaders are but human."
What goes unspoken is that Leto is no longer human, and he is far more than a leader, he is now a god.
I love the SyFy channel adaptations of Dune and Children of Dune. Brilliant stuff
I really love the main music theme of Dune miniseries.
Inama Nushif is such a sad song... Tear up every scene it's in.
Macavoy as god-emperor would have been perfect...especially after watching his performance as the beast from split(which is animalistic like the emperor)
This ending was actually sad for me, just thinking of all the good people who died up until this point. Leto, paul, channi, ect
Duncan was the saddest, "two deaths for house Atredies..."
reginald chapman
However, Duncan comes back. Again, and again, and again, etc.
Uhm, you forget the "conservative" estimation of deaths during Muad'dib's 12 year Jihad, of 162 billion humans
Oh, and Leto becomes an immortal tyrant who absolutely crushes mankind's spirit in his attempts to save them as a species
@@reggie7716 Well, in the books he would come to die many more...
Man, after the first book (even with the navigators), the Dune series got really, really weird. This is grounded compared to what was to come.
I watched this when it came out in my teens and just now decades and a few tours later, Gehema's last sentence just punched 👊 me in the face. When a 2003 TV mini series dialog can out do 90% of what 2021 Hollywood produces, damn.
Much as I loved this adaptation. Without God Emperor of Dune to conclude Letos story it just cant do justice to the scope of the story.
At least Leto was nice enough to walk some distance away before starting to run, so that his wake doesn't tear the Fremen to shreds.
Amazing scene and acting but the the music and the bond and language between brother and sister is so perfectly put together.
It took me a while to make the connection of the line "it is our way"
The God Emperor does have love.
It's just leads to his death, and the Scattering.
You're meaning Hwi Noree, don't you? Yes, she reawakens the humanity in him, because in a way Leto can only make the ultimate sacrifice as a human. And Ghanima's words in the miniseries about Leto putting his head in her lap and asking to die (asking Ghanima to kill him?!) actually turn out to be deeply prophetic in this sense, with Siona, the agent of Leto's death, actually being a descendant of Ghanima through Farad'n. (Siona also carries a gene that makes her unaccessible to prescience, and in the miniseries it is implied that Ghanima might already have been the carrier of this gene - before the birth of the twins, Paul has visions of Leto but not of Ghanima.)
@@christianealshut1123 The last is inconsistent with the novel, though. In Children of Dune, it says Paul foresaw only a daughter.
@@marysueeasteregg i've looked it up; you're right...I guess they wanted to get in a few foreshadowings to the later books, perhaps knowing or suspecting that they would not be filmed. I mean Dune and Dune Messiah and even Children of Dune have ideas that we are familiar with and can sympathize with to different degrees - the coming-of-age story of Paul Atreides, the disillusionment with him as a leader figure and Frank Herbert's distrust of charismatic leader figures in general, the need for the son to continue what the father started but could not finish (the Golden Path).But the further you get in the series, the more complex and paradox the ideas become - the idea that Leto must become the tyrant he later becomes in order to save humanity, and that this is the kind of leader that humanity needs, rather the one it wants (the charismatic Messiah figure) may not be an idea accessible or acceptable to everyone, and actually seems a slap in the face of many people who are living and suffering under tyrannical rulers today (this is actually supposed to be GOOD for people - preposterous!!!).
Also, the first three books can still superficially be understood as adventure stories one can read or watch for entertainment, and not everyone might appreciate having to deal merely with "ideas", especially if they are sd difficult to stomach as that. I know that I would love to see the later books filmed or televised, but the audience for something like that would, on the whole, be rather limited.
Accordingly, the sacrifice that Leto has to make is left relatively vague - we only know that he sacrifices his individuality and his free will in some way ("my skin is not my own") and that he will be very lonely and have to dispense what is commonplace for other human beings.
I love this book/series and can only hope someone does it justice in the future.
Mi Mono a new dune movie is under development right now, it supposedly has a large budget.
Jon R yeah, it has a big budget, a great director and the crew he’s assembling is talented. They split the first book into 2 movies so they have the time to do it right. Filming starts next year.
What did you think of Denis' adaptations?
What a great movie this was.
I agree. I wish they would have done more.
This mini series was pretty good. Looking forward to Denis Villeneuve's version though.
Yeah but there will never be a better Leto II than James Mcavoy
Jacque was a racing driver fella
there will never be a better Leto than Jürgen Prochnow.
I bet it will be fast moving though...@@dakariszulu
u mean denis villeneuve 🙄
1:47 [Harrison Welles voice] Run, Leto. Run!
And then he became a worm god, conquering the known galaxy, and forcing all space travel to stop for 3400 years, once he eventually dies the extended period of stagnation and sudden free will will then create an immense desire to spread out into the unknown like never before, just as he planned.
Children of Dune mini-series captured the heart of the book. While changes were made in the transition from book/screen, I think they only improved upon the story.
Would love to see a God Emperor series with McAvoy but I imagine hes too big a star for it now
if the new movie does well i hope they bring him back as the God Emperor, eventually
Hes too old now
@@alexanderwilliams1307 too old to play the god emperor?
@@Frank-zs1wk thats a really good point lol
It would have to be CGI with McAvoys face on a worm
When the shit hits the fan... No one comes out clean from this storm. But hopefully, many come better that before! Keep going, keep pushing. Avanti!
Oddly enough this is the best ending for the people in the Dune books... this is not made for family viewing.
@@playbookshowme484 loosing family may be the best thing that could happen. It may not be easy, simple or nicely put in ant way, still best thing that could happen. And also, without the whirlwind, no transformation is possible.
The new dune part 2 ending actually reminded me a lot of this ending. It almost feels thematically similar, even though I know theres differences. But the uplifting music with the sad realisation that there is a horrible future awaiting is just too on the nose. Even the lighting is the same, but you could juat chock that up to sand planet sunset go brrr.
Yes - I feel this should be the ending of the new Dune franchise - that might take more than 1 film though. But after this - I think the story becomes in manageable for film or even a series - they would really need to reworked it and not resurrect Duncun a million times.
I really wish we gotten a God Emperor of Dune movie, James McAvoy would've been awesome in the role.
If we're lucky and people want more of Dune, Denis Villeneuve will find a way to make God Emperor of Dune happen.
Best thing about god emperor is that james could come back as leto II in his whole lifetime.
0:47 aka “oh it’ll get worse but no worries we got this.”
I so want Dune Messiah to complete a trilogy after the two new Dune films by Villeneuve. Children of Dune can still be a sequel film but Messiah would be like a Fall of Muad'Dib chapter. Ending would be bitter-sweet, however, as Chani dies while giving birth to the twins, Paul leaves, never to be heard from until the next book, of course. Already imagining Timothée Chalamet delivering a knock-out performance as the Priest, damn!
Already beginning to wonder if George Lucas stole from Dune again with the birth of the twins. Seems pretty obvious, lol.
Run Forest!
such a epic end to a master peace
ducksoup2007 No.
@Devilikg That would be my exact recommendation too!
Very elegant ending.
James McAvoy does the part reasonably well, BUT - I wish the producers/directors would remember that in the books the twins Leto II and Ghanima are only 9-year-old! . - which is what makes Leto's transformation and powerful abilities so startling to all the adults.
I feel like the emperor's heir coming back from the dead and turning into a sandworm is actually pretty shocking at any age, to be honest.
It would have been near impossible to find one child actor, much less two, to do credit to the roles. It's hard enough to find child actors who can do a really good job
playing *children* -- regardless of how talented they are, their training is far from complete, and acting is largely a learned craft. Herbert's twins are not really children, they're adults in the bodies of children. I agree something is lost in having the twins cast older, but much more would be lost in having child actors of the "right" age who are over their heads with the material. For myself, I'd rather have, as we do here, highly competent young adult actors. I've read someone who complained about the same/similar issue of the character Claudia in Interview with the Vampire. But it's the same problem: Claudia is an adult in a child's body! You're asking for the near-impossible, if you cast the role as written in Rice's novel. (Claudia was cast as a child, but an older one.) The child-Alia in some ways poses an even greater problem, because she is younger than the twins, and her age can't be adjusted much, due to the timing of Jessica's pregnancy. But child-Alia is not, thankfully,nearly as important a character in Dune as the Atreides twins are in Children of Dune, or Claudia in Interview with the Vampire. These issues are also probably why in all three versions of Dune, the central role of Paul, who is far from a normal teenager, has been played by actors in their twenties (Newman was 26, McLachlan 25, Chalamet of the upcoming version 23) rather than by actors in their mid-teens. And why in Game of Thrones, Isaac Hempstead Wright was cute and competent playing Bran as a child, and (IMO) wooden playing him as an all-knowing being in an adolescent's body.
I thought at the time, btw, that McEvoy was terrific, the single best performance in Children of Dune. I was not surprised he's subsequently had a successful, high-profile career.
I love this, Dune is the best.
It is. Never will it's kind grace us again.
And that's how the beast personality was made.
Praise the great show of all time
Leto II brings you New Slurm! It’s sluggy good refreshment for all the universe!
Wimmy wam wam wozzle!
I felt my skin crawl when Steven Berkoff pronounced Sietch Tabr as Sietch TBAR -- uuuuhhh. It's Sietch TA-br, one vowel, stress on the first syllable. I never thought he made a very good Stilgar, the Czech guy in the first miniseries was the best Stilgar in my opinion, followed by Everett McGill.
Everett McGill was never allowed to act in that awful movie. He just progressed from sonorous pronouncement to the next.
Actually, that was pretty much what all the speaking cast did in that movie - a high-level cast all sounding like second-rate amateurs.
The guy who played Stilgar in the first miniseries actually was German. "The Czech guy" you're meaning is probably the one who played Liet (and I thought he was far too young for that part) - and the same actor played Korba in the second miniseries, but without hair.
I remember that this ending was really sad and Leto II's sister Ghanima was gorgeous!!! 😍😍😍😍😍
I wonder why SyFy never made God Emperor of Dune?
Maybe because the character of the God-Emperor would have required very expensive special effects, too expensive for a channel like SyFy.
@@zerojanvier79 Back when it was Sci-Fi
This series was just SO GOOD!
"And on the otherside.. our future." (sigh the video was cut short).
Yeah, sorry, I cut it short and saw it only after uploading the video :-(
Even after all this time, I still get goosebumps from these scenes. Brian Tyler did a fantastic job with the score! James McAvoy....mmmmm......
I keep forgetting…. Leto II is half Fremen.
This is life itself wake up my people.
Now I know how Star Wars super fans feel when the new one is about to drop. I can’t wait to see the new Dune movie. I think it’s gonna be just as big as Star Wars and Avengers. Also, you can see in this scene that James McAvoy is gonna be a huge star. So talented.
Spoiler alert:
He becomes massive Emperor worm God and rules over humanity with an iron fist for over 3500 years. He created a perfect villain for humanity to overcome: himself. He put in plans for spice to return from him, for Arrakis to once again become the eternal dune, so that humanity would burst into the universe, able and eager to touch and know all things, too big for any autocracy, too diverse to stagnate, free of the cycle of struggle.
He knew all this from the beginning, such was the power of Leto II, and the sacrifice of the Golden path.
He runs and runs because each time is the last time, forever.
I thought he might run because as he's turning into the worm, his inner water is heating up, and he's dissipating the steam...just a thought...
Leto II: Gotta go fast
@@citogal I believe his worm transformation is gradual and it takes a bit of time to fully turn into the worm, but not sure exactly how long...
@@gargoyles9999 Gotta go faster faster faster #SonicX
Leto the Tyrant running off all the spice energy that he has built up.
Characters turning into freaks in these books. Leto II turning into a sandworm, men into ugly navigators, Duncan into serial clones. Human colonizers of other planets evolving into freaks too.
Very sad how the likable character has to become THE WORM in order to continue spice or else all of linked civilizations would die.
True. The golden path was the only way to save the future of humanity!
Well he became the worm for pretty much the opposite...
The maker shall bless your water
Can't wait for the movie hitting theaters later this year! Hope we can actually go to the movies by then lol
Sorry to inform you 😭
This ending is Sooo GOOD! I think these two miniseries are better than that new movie.
The new movie had the $$$, I actually thought they look stunning. But I hate the editing, not hate...more like..tsk, I wish they could edit it better so that there would be more "heart" instead of just 'action'
Loved this series - have the DVDs. Wanted them to do God Emperor.
Que lindos recuerdos,vi esta miniserie hace años en el viejo canal de hallmark channel...muy buena historia ymuy buenos actores.
1:39 He is turning slowly into a worm. That is the nature of spice.
It's not the spice. The Fremen constantly ingest spice, they are surrounded by it; they don't turn into sandworms. Leto deliberately let the Little Makers/sandtrout adhere to his skin to begin the transformation.
@@marysueeasteregg You never dove into the lore of Dune. I thought the same thing at first.
@@inachu Okaaay ...that's interesting. I gave up after God Emperor, since I had liked each succeeding book less. And liked even less the snatches I read of my husband's Brian Herbert/Kevin Anderson books. Dune itself is in the running for my favorite novel. Which book(s) gives this lore? If it's Frank's work, including the notes for his planned 7th Dune novel, I stand corrected. If it's in the purely collaborative stuff, I shy away from viewing it as canon.
@@marysueeasteregg Not collaboration at all but this is a starting video to watch.
Dune is really supposed to be based on future earth history ruclips.net/video/oI0Cd73lxcw/видео.html
That's not nature of the spice. Navigators doesn't turn into worm, they just mutate into grotesque form. And they seriously overdose spice to be able to navigate through space. Leto changed into worm (almost, with hands and head intact) through symbiosis with sandtrout. Those sand trout who dissolved from his body upon his death carried a spark of his sentience within them which allowed Sheena (few ceturies later iirc) to control them and then enough prescience to dig deep when Honored Matres obliterated planet's surface. Original Herbert's novels didn't really dig in Earth's future. Dune was something else. Books were written to describe effects on religions, still present in the future. How even best intentions can turn you into man responsible for mass executions. How you can turn into a slave of ppl obsession. Of the doctrine you initiated but long lost control of. And also... how hard are the choices to preserve future in the long run. And how misunderstood you are by those shortsighted.
I wish to hell they'd actually carried on with the rest of the books.
This is the most accurate adaptation ever done for the Dune books.
No "Made it rain because I'm a God" - but the actual point of the books: The Atredies are NOT gods - they're very powerful men who try to do the best they can for the human race over millenia.
I came here to see the man-worm thing.
😂😂😂
Sweapt away by the whirlwind. And on the other side... Keep united and come stronger.
I'd be interested to see the 4th installment to the dune series. Stuff gets weird lol
It's supposed to be a signet ring. That ring couldn't be more the opposite of a signet ring. Is Leto supposed to stamp his letters with a hole? Because that big pyramid would push right through the paper.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_(emblem)#Signet_rings