CHILDREN OF DUNE Ending Explained! The Sequel to Dune
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- Опубликовано: 17 окт 2021
- In this video we take a deep dive, review, recap and explain the ending to the 2003 miniseries CHILDREN OF DUNE starring James McAvoy and Susan Sarandon.
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Do any of you remember this mini series?
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I never saw this mini-series, but I read the books. 🤓 I haven’t read all of the books that were published post Frank Herbert’s death though. 😕 Have you read them?
They started out strong, but got weaker as they progressed through. I watched them when they first showed on SYFY. I’m Old😂
@@YvetteArby Brian Herbert and Kevin Anderson combined aren't half the writer Frank Herbert was. I find their Dune fanfiction novels forgettable. ONly a couple of held my interest, ironically they're the ones about the Butlerian Jihad (the war against the machines), so no character in the FH universe exists.
Alia's ashes water was spread in the sand because she was an abomination, she was possessed. NOrmally Fremen would distill her water from her body and then it would be added to the seitch's water to strengthen and nourish the tribe. Spreading her water in the sand was not an act of honor but because she was possessed by her past lives, particularly her grandfather Baron Harkonnen; her water was tainted and unsafe for the tribe.
Watched the mini series and the Syfy Dune film many years ago. Saw it was on Prime recently and had a rewatch. It's a shame that the planned sequel never got made.
One minor correction... Spreading Alia's water among the sand was not the Fremen equivalent of spreading someone's ashes. Alia had become "abomination" and her water was deemed unclean and had to be discarded in the desert rather than reclaimed. A Fremen's water belongs to the tribe but her water was given to the sands.
Very nice summary! Thanks!
I came here to say exactly that.
Yep, that's exactly what I thought as he said it. Wasting water by pouring it out on the sand is anathema to the Fremen, and would only be done if the water was considered tainted.
Hey I was gonna say this as well!! Alia's water was considered tainted due to possession, they spread her water in the desert as a means to not taint the tribes water source...
and you should have said, "without further adune" at the beginning of the video
Shame we may never get to see Leto as a 3500 year old worm god emperor on the screen. His sacrifice for the golden path would be so cool to see.
It might be a blessing in disguise
Not even book covers in different countries are in agreement about how he looks
And that is something beautiful to me
In my country the cover was of the planet and fishspeakers so i only had a mental image of the god king
Years later i saw other covers, all dignified but noone even close to how i imagined it to look
So not seeing
@@mandragorius9637 That's interesting would love to know what you imagined that was different from the common depictions. I really want to see his Golden Path on film that in my opinion is what the entire series is really about. Without it humans dont survive in the Dune Universe and are wiped out by a future threat.
@@johno1544 the books described him as about 10 meters long and 3.5 meters high if I recall correctly.
So my image was essentially a giant sand worm like we knew, but instead of the gaping maw with the three fold mouth you had a human face in the center
Tiny
And somewhat impossible if you think about how the creature would eat
It was a long tube with round ends and on one end you streched a human face on that tube
Only mouth, eyes and 2 slits for the nose because the face was streched on to the tube
And then you add the crippled limbs on to that similar to how a walrus looks
Flat
At a sharp angle
Decrepit
Feet elongated and close to the actual body
Hands still at the front in touch rsnge because the book describes him doing hand training exercises and I feel like that involves touching one hand with another
As a whole imagine you put a staw into a human and blew him up until he is about to burst i guess
Decidedly non human
Decidedly ugly
Decidedly Lager than life
Most depictions i saw were of essentially medusa versions
Either a long worm body with a human upper body
Sometimes the head protruded like a pimpel on a worm bending his body like a snake would;upwards and forwards
I never saw a depiction that showed him Lager then a human in diameter
He usually had arms and no feet.
And I dont know
I feel like my mental image is stronger then pictures
But i dont think I will be able to ignore a 2+ hour movie showing him in most likely human dimensions
Most likley a normal human head grafted to a small and tiny worm.
I prefer him a monstrosity barely human enough to be recognized as a former human if you want to believe it badly enough.
The golden path visually would be cool yeah, but i would also assume the same goes for that, i imagine you have a strong mental image and I wouldn't know how to fairly visualize a concept such as infinite numbers of possible futures where you cut away infinities every second with everything you do or dont do.
Also im afraid they might just take a graphic with vague pictures of possible futures and show them in a branching tree with golden connections, some of them golden like a research tree in a video game with some research beeing 'recommended' .
It could be amazing to see
Or trivialize the concept entirely
Like for example the mini series did with the weirding ways turning into a blur of 'im so fast you cant touch me' .
@@mandragorius9637 wow thanks for a awesome well thought out reply :) Its such a cool universe to explore. One part about worm Leto that always stuck in my head is him reflecting on how people always look for his genital and pondered putting some on there to give people something to look at LOL
@@johno1544 for me the biggest part that is amazing is how these books are waaaay above 60 years old
A time almost unrecognizable to now
And yet they feel topical
A female army openly accepting lesbiens
A future without computers, came up with in a time where computers had effectively no real future telegraphed.
In addition to that technology that both seems plausible but still unobtainable
And seeing problems in space travel that we still struggle with.
He was sooo far beyond his time
And managed to deliver his message greatly without seeming on the nose about it.
Dont trust charismatic leaders
Power consolidates power
Noone acts without an agenda
A smile looks best with a weapon on standby.
It was my childhood and i reread some of the books almost yearly
I loved Children of Dune so much. I was 17 when I watched it, had my first serious girlfriend, got my license and first car, was playing in a band, and the series was just so epic at a wonderful time in my life.
Yes.sounds like me. 😅
That’s hilarious!
Also in DM & CoD, Chani was being given contraceptives by Irulan, which Paul knows about and allows by inactivity : this is due to him having foreseen Chani's death after birthing Ghanima (Leto II is not in his father's prescient vision)- so Chani goes along without having children for quite a while (yet wanting them badly) because Paul is afraid of losing her. In a bout of tragic irony, she died after the Twin's births because her body had become so weakened from the contraceptives which Irulan had given her and Paul had "allowed" her to ingest; if he had only stopped Irulan, Chani's death could have believably been prevented. Sigh. We can see the future, but not all of the paths that led to that future.
That actually makes more sense. I was wondering why Irulan was "poisoning" Chani.
Some argue that seeing the future is actually what makes you contribute to it come to pass, for, in order to prevent it, your actions might be exactly what makes it happen.
@@leandroatreides, that's pretty much what I'm trying to say. Perhaps I should have said, we can see A future, and it's up to us if we choose that course, no matter the good intentions. But I STILL think Leto II is right. 😘
Yeah, but if Paul chose another path for Chani (by making sure Irulan couldn't put contraceptive in her food earlier on), it'd end with Chani's death too, just not as 'kind' so he chose this path to follow.
A plot adapted by George Lucas for the fate of Padme Amidala. Anakin foresees that his wife dies of childbirth. Seeks to find a way to keep her from dying through the dark side of the Force, and learns much from it but not enough. In his dark side adled rage hurts his wife to the point that he injures her fatally (she probably sustained an injury from that Force Choke, nevermind she dies of losing the will to live). In his method of attempting to save her from death ended with her being doomed to it.
Mother gives birth to twins & dies during the process; husband loses said wife despite his efforts to avoid her death. Damn did George Lucas really finesse his way into a multibillion dollar franchise by ripping off Dune step by step?
haha that's what i thought
They are nothing alike. Look at the current Dune film. Good guys base on inhospitable planet is destroyed by elite imperial troops after the shield wall fails. Hero with manifesting supernatural powers escapes. Good guys narrowly avoid betrayal by an old associate, escape death by giant worm, a duel, then team up with rag tag rebels, and the film ends with them looking into an uncertain future. You won't find that sort of storytelling in the Star Wars universe.
@@nicbrownable You’re right. I recant my previous question. How could I ever doubt our Lord & savior George Lucas? 😩 I will beg the council for forgiveness
Frank Herbert even said as much
@@famousthaneus9810 I think you missed Nic's sarcasm. He described Dune, but the description is also literally the plot of *The Empire Strikes Back* :)
2000s scifi TV was it's own amazing genre. We got so many great shows Children of Dune,Firefly,Farscape,and Stargate sg-1 it was in a league of its own.
Dont forget MATRIX and Lord of the Rings
Lexxx
Battlestar Galactica
Babylon 5. Scifi channel did a great job with Dune.
More recently, The Expanse, until they cancelled it and the fans got Amazon to take it over.
Abomination was a term used most commonly by the Bene Gesserit to describe individuals who could not control the ego-memories that had surfaced within them. These ego-memories usually surfaced after consumption of the Water of Life, or through direct genetic inheritance in pre-born children.
Despite her horrible actions, I felt sorry for Alia. She was exposed to the Water of Life while in her mother’s (Jessica) womb. Jessica then left Arrakis to nurse her grief, instead of staying to help Alia. She was basically an orphan, without even a sibling, in charge of an empire and with a niece and nephew who were also “Abominations”. Luckily for Leto and Ghanima, they made a pact with their father and mother within, who helped them to control the others within. They also had each other.
@@YvetteArby so is she hallucinating or she just untrained medium? I lalways hear such great things growing up in 90s i think dune video game but I didnt understand the spice and it being like the force in jedi, but even the force is looking funny under the light in my 40s it looks like so much eastern philosophy maladapted bc it looks cool but only at surface. No other relatives besides desert kids have same powers? so they just called leader cuko? but then let nephews also lead but they have same visions
@@itowilltube She’s more like an untrained medium, but she actually becomes possessed by her evil grandfather.
@@itowilltube Spice is mind-expanding substance that mutates humans when consumed in large amounts. Freemen have blue eyes from spice. Warp Navigators turn into fish-like humanoids. On top of that, the Bene-Gesuits (spelling?) have been in the business of human genetic engineering for thousands of years and the end product was supposed to be a female child born from Lady Jessica. Jessica decided to go against the B-G and had a son instead and a whoopsie daughter as the story takes place.
TLDR; Spice is special, Paul's bloodline is special, mix the two and things get crazy!
@@gamelover2222 thanks i appreciate. It i actually remember i read the first book a long time ago sounds like i should either re read series or see movie than re watch what do you think. I read game of thrones after S1E3 and it was not ruined or anything. I enjoy book worlds more so and see movies as like separate but fun way to see characters i love or how they could be.
So question i don't want to over spoil few here and there aren't horrible to me but i like go in without twist spoiled. Are Bene_ G two different groups bound through marriage or is it just a species of humans on that planet. Whenever it said it sounds like simbiote like Star Trek Ja-dex but maybe im over emphasis a - and its just lingua of the Dune world
Thanks for being informative but kind to a newer fan
"Princess Wensicia Corrino, daughter of Emperor Shaddam and 'HIS' sister Irulan."
That's 'excellent' research we have here.
@Drew Taylor Susan Sarandon was woefully miscast here, as Irulan is the eldest of the five Corrino daughters, and Julie Cox (Irulan) is 27 years YOUNGER than Sarandon. Not only that, she seemed to think she was in a comedy, and decided to play Wensicia as campy and hammy, and not at all like the novel version.
misspoke more like it :D
Shaddam V. did not die, he was sent to "Exile" on his own Planet and forced to reduce the military strength of house Corrin (his house) to 1 Legion of Sardaukar as police force and not conduct any form of military operation or training.
He died some time during Dune Messiah because Paul refused to allow Irulan to go to Salusa Secundus for his funeral.
@@marlenewaldron4690 yet somehow she was there in the miniseries. Though Wincesia mention's that Paul banned representation from any of the great houses.
The 2000 -2003 series really served the novels right. It may lack on graphics (which isnt their fault) but the storyline is top tier for me.
I have fond memories of the Miniseries. It's definitely one of those pieces of art that are way over their heads and their ambition far surpasses their talent (and budget). But damn it if they don't have their heart in the right place and give their 1000% regardless. "Children of Dune" has a heart, and you can't help but to respect it for it, no matter how flawed it objectively may be.
Plus, the OST freaking slaps.
"and their ambition far surpasses their talent (and budget)" - agree on the budget, but the talent was excellent (most of the acting and directing was very good). They also did well with the first Dune miniseries (with William Hurt as duke Leto)...FAR better than David Lynch's 'convoluted weirdo' take on Dune.
@@DeathToTheDictators The only acting issue I have in the series is Susan Sarandon and the actress that played Alia (she was inconsistent but her death scene was pretty good)
Agreed, the 2 mini-series were excellent effort on a low budget.
Alia and Ghani actresses were painfully gorgeous. I have no idea how they didn't gain fame.
Chani and Irulan weren't bad either.
@@williamhogge5549 Leto 2 freaking rocks.
That was how I discovered James McEvoy, and he was a blast, even 20 years ago. In my opinion, he played his role perfectly: an adult with many lives open to him in the body of a youngster. Witty and frightening but mostly wise, hiding under the water most of the time (like a shark - or a sandworm). If you watch him carefully, you slowly begin to understand the full scale of his capabilities, but to many, including Lady Jessica, he's Paul's son first and a person in his own right second - and he exploits that oversight very well.
first time I ever saw James McAvoy.. signs of his coming greatness are definitely present
I think the real acting challenge for Timothy Chalemet will be to play Maudhib after the time skip. When they make the sequel to Dune 2021.
I don't think it'll be that hard; the last part of Dune is only about 4 years after the beginning, when he first arrived on Arrakis. I do hope they keep the fact that he and Chani have a son together though. Also, I hope they keep the fact that Feyd-Rautha fathered a child to a Bene Gesserit to save that bloodline. Even though Herbert never did write a continuation of that story thread.
@Lenz C what children of dune is considered by most fans to be better the first dune book
@Lenz C I don’t know. I do however think asking an audience to watch a character they start off liking doing awful things for the greater good could be an ask.
Too easy. Adam driver.
@@tyleryandell5664 I think he would actually be too old 5-7 years down the line.
The 2000s mini series and Children of Dune are the best adaptations to date. Really loved the casting, story telling, look and feel of them.
Finally someone else who knows the truth. Mini-series had their flaws but still the best Dune on screen we've yet gotten
Мне очень нравится этот мини сериал. Там Пол и Чани удивительно гармоничная экранная пара🥰🥰🥰. Джеймс Макевой ❤❤❤ ОСТ Брайан Тейлор 🎉🎉🎉 все все 👏👏👏👏 Сериал который наполнил мою юность приятными воспоминаниями 😊
Yeah I think the casting of the miniseries was closer to the books compared to the recent 2020 Dune but I love the 2020 Dune, as well.
Get real 2021 dune was way better
where can you watch it?
This takes me back to my younger days.
I forgot about this series, thanks for the refresher! Never realized how much it was like GOT before GOT was a thing. Damn, I really really hope they make more DUNE movies!
The entire plot of anything dune related: "y'all got anymore of them space drugs?!"
sweet sweet space drugs....
In this miniseries, Paul was responsible for the deaths the Rev. Mother and Navigator, along with the others, not Alia. He knew he was going to 'die'/leave and just before doing that he took measures to eliminate all of his biggest enemies (even if she was involved, this was clearly dad shutting the door on all his big enemies).
Ala Godfather; all debts are paid.
Holy crap I haven't thought of this miniseries in years! Now that I know what the books are about, it'll be interesting to see how it compares.
faq those boring books! cant wait for Dune 2024 part 2
Susan Sarandon. Worst casting in the miniseries. I forgave the aging of the twins, although it did make their abilities less dramatic IMO, because making them closer to adults made it easier to tell the story. But casting Sarandon as the YOUNGER sister to Princess Irulan was just HORRIBLE, just a wrong wrong choice. It's too bad they weren't able to cast Saskia Reeves as Lady Jessica again; I think she was an excellent choice in the Dune miniseries.
1. Jessica was not Leto's wife, she was his concubine, just like Chani is Paul's. A child from a concubine is legally acknowledged and can inherit as long as there is no child born from a legal marriage(and Paul swore he'd never sleep with Irulan so that would never happen). This is one reason why Leto never married, the other was because keeping his options open to marriage made it easier to deal with other Great Houses in the LANDSRAAD.
2. The original Lynch version did have Paul mentioning to his mother that she was the daughter of Baron Harkonnen. It was literally mentioned in passing, although the later extended cuts of the movie gives a little more info. The Dune miniseries focused on that fact a bit more.
there's a bit of an excuse in the setting though, as the use of spice would prolong youth. thus one could invent the excuse that irulan just used a lot more... not that I'm going to claim they based it on this
@@Agarwaen Irulan is the sister of the Bene Gesserit, she can prolong her youth
@@Delulu-To-Trululu while they could, they did not.
ive seen this miniseries 50ish times and ive been a fan since i was 11 😅...i guess its time to watch them one more time🤪
thanks for the video!
alia was cursed from before her birth and her suffering and death is really saddening
I thought that spreading water on the sand was more akin to being shamed in death. The Fremen recycled the water of their dead. If you died in shame in some way, or were a hated enemy, your water was discarded on the sand. Did I read it wrong?
no, this video maker just fails to grasp how fremen thought of water
@@Agarwaen @Madam aurantia is right. Alia's water was considered unclean because she was "abomination". This was why it was given to the sand rather than reclaimed.
Any real fan of The Dune Universe needs to listen to the audiobooks. Frank Herbert left detailed notes on EVERYTHING, and the production of the audiobooks took time and effort to pronounce people and place names the way they were intended.
This may sound trivial but there are a lot of words in the books that dont have a standard English equivalent.
Thats part of the beauty of Herberts creation, the details.
For instance...no one in any of the books refers to "baby sandworms". Its because they have a name. Sandtrout.
And pouring Alia's water on the sand is nothing at all like scattering someones ashes. She was an Abomination.
Under normal circumstances the persons water belonged to the tribe. A person's water dosen't just refer to whats in their canteen, but to the water in their body. At death, a body would be taken to a place where the water is removed and tokens for the amount given to the immediate family or the winner of the fight depending on circumstances.
Because Alia was an Abomination, even her water was tainted spiritually and was poured on the open sand for the sand and little Makers to cleanse. (Another name for Sandtrout).
And another thing... Abomination wasn't a mental breakdown. Mental breakdown was a symptom.
Bene Gesserit Reverend Mothers and some others who had gone through the Spice Trance had "Other Memory" in which real conversations and knowledge could be passed to the person from their Lineage. Paul and Leto II were special because they were the only Men who had ever lived through it.
Alia was an Abomination because she became a Revered Mother in utero, because Lady Jessica was pregnant and didn't know what was about to happen.
Alia was a weird child because she was basically a mature woman inside. Eventually one of her ancestors drove her insane and had "possessed" her.
The Dune Universe is full and rich with detail and character. LOTR with all its beauty and depth, is a bedtime story in comparison.
the children of dune miniseries is actually the sequel to the dune miniseries syfy released in 2000. it was probably the best adaptation of the book until the new one. the 1984 version is something else altogether. they had to make so many sacrifices from the source material to get that one out. great movie in its own right just not really dune.
It's strange to see some of the extended Lynch version scenes redone almost word to word into the 2021 Dune version...
One correction I have is that you said that the mini series does not talk about Alia being married to Duncan, the mini series actually explicitly say they are married at various points of episode 2 and 3.
This was the miniseries that introduced me to dune
The mini series is good for explaining to newbies exactly what's going on politically. I must correct you on the dynamic between Duke Leto and Jessica. Jessica was Leto's concubine for the same reason Chani is not Paul's wife officially.
And Farad'n is not Ghanima's wife ... "politics".
A 2 part Children of Dune following Messiah of Dune would be interesting... I don't know how they top "Inama Nushif", though - that song is a freaking masterpiece tear-jerker...
8:47 it was a priest of Paul's own religion, not just an assassin. Important detail.
This was a good series and does a lot to help people understand whats going on. Its a very complicated series.
Thank you for this insightful breakdown of the ending of Children of Dune! 🌌 Your analysis really helped clarify some of the intricate plot points and themes explored in this captivating miniseries.
I think that Leto's transformation from human to god is the best plot line in scifi ever.
It very effectively scratches a deep, instinctive cultural itch held by many people.
No one talks about the Syfy miniseries. Thanks for bringing it up.
9:05 hearing James McAvoy's high voice right here is so jarring after just having watched his movie called Filth yesterday lmao
My favorite part of the TV miniseries version of Dune shown throughout this video was the scene where Paul becomes Mua Dibe through a kaleidoscopic special effects sequence that was supposed to represent his spirit journey culminating in perfect spiritual enlightenment.
It was made even better a few years later when the exact same special effects sequence was used in the movie Southland Tales when the character played by the guy who played Stiffler in American Pie also achieved perfect spiritual enlightenment and became one with the universe. He then turned to his buddy sitting with him in a tricked out pickup truck after they used the truck and a chain to rip an ATM out of a bank wall. He said, after ascending to a higher state of consciousness and achieving spiritual enlightenment, "We're taking the ATM with us to Mexico."
excuse me Thinkstory can I tell you about our Lord and savior Worm God Leto II
YES
Oh mighty Shai-hulud. Keeper of balance. Bless the Maker and His water. Bless the coming and going of Him May His passage cleanse the world.
GOD EMPEROR, your pronunciations are _spot_ on... sometimes I wonder if you've even watched the series or if you're tonally deaf.
Loved the first video and looking forward to these series of videos. Great job.
Great video
In my opinion the next three books by Herbert, God Emperor, Heretics and Chapterhouse, should never be brought into a video format. They should remain in their book form and no movies could to them justice.
agreed.. I think that no matter how someone envisions them, it'll never be able to compare to the grand scope of Herbert's writing.
Disagree. God Emperor would be fucking epic and completely doable with the technology in 5 years. I would do it in two films
@@simonb4689 ok, yeah God Emperor would be epic AF. Heretics and Chapterhouse though wouldn't be as interesting to non fans, I think, especially considering it's set so far after Leto II's death with no recognizable characters except for Duncan Idaho. But who knows?
@@simonb4689 Might be, but God Emperor heavily relies on a disjointed and philosophy-laden talking sandworm who narrates almost everything. Don't see how that could be transferred to the screen well.
perhaps much more suited to mini-series format on HBO
Growing up in the mid 80's and an early 90's child, my older Gen X cousins exposed me to wonderful lore and books of Dune! I always wondered how they all tied together along with the SciFi's adaptation! This was something I never knew I needed!
I watched the SciFi mini series of Children of Dune so many times and this is the first time I completely understand it! Thank you. Didn't think Leto II returned to the capital. That wasn't shown in the series. In fact his sister married the Corrino boy but declared he would never be husband to her! And you say she had his children? Completely contradicted in the mini series
If anyone is interested, "Ghanima" (long "a") translates from Arabic as "Triumphant", the correct name.
Not to be mistaken with "Ghaneema" (short "a" long "ee") which means "Trophy".
Dang! This video made me want to watch all of my 4 Dvds again (Dune 2000 (1) and Children of Dune (3) 2003. Too bad the quality on a 50" tv is not what it used to be, lol. But I will watch them will all the same.
9:42 pouring someone's water over the sand is as far from a respectable gesture as possible. Her water was seen as cursed and evil, it wasnt a favor.
Whew. This might be a good book series, but it could stand to be reimagined for the screen.
not to mention leto and ghanima are actually only 9 years old in COD, not in their late teens/early 20s in the sci-fi version
I don't know how Denis Villeneuve plans this to fit in his series. It is foreshadowed in the first movie, and they cut a vision where Paul is blind, but either the series ends with Dune Messiah - which would be bizarre - or they continue on to finish Children. It may be that those two books get another life on the small screen to continue the story.
The movie coming out November 2023 will be the second half of the first book, then I imagine (hope) they’ll do the next two books, probably with one movie each
Dune Part Two is coming out this Friday and if I'm not mistaken, Denis has stated he does plan to do a 3rd movie with Dune Messiah but will stop there. Could change idk or another director may take on the challenge of Children of Dune or even more ambitious, God Emperor of Dune after.
Never thought it needed an explanation. That was pretty self-explanatory.
Golahs aren't supposed to carry their original memories, duncan was the first exception to that
The problem is the sand trout are like actual fish you can put on your hand on like a glove they become flippers on his feet in the books right after the sandtrout attach to them.
To clarify Alia would attack them because Stilgar killed Duncan not because Duncan killed the "boy toy"/
thank you! I read both those damn books 2 times... and I still wasn't quite sure what the hell happened...
Shaddam did, NOT die in the first Dune book.
Exiled and stripped of his fighting force, wasn't there a suggestion that Leto may be a bastard of the Emperor.
Its got 2 be done as a series like on hbo or something just so much content
I loved the miniseries, especially James McCavoy.
Will you do Emperor: Battle For Dune the PC game which came out in 2001?
This should have been a Game Of Thrones type series on a premium Network instead of a few long movies
Leto II Atreides is my favorite character in the books. ghanima is really cool too.
The Preacher character arc reminds me of Medivh in Warcraft 3
I just watched the miniseries and they do refer to Duncan Idaho as Alia's husband.
Love your videos and this video, but why do you ignore the Dune Miniseries from 2000 that was what Children of Dune was a sequel to and only refer to the 1984 version that isn't connected?
Children of Dune is ok for a 2000s series, but the first one is better. Compared to most shows now both are better. Children of Dune is a bit confusing and a bit too odd and hard to decipher compared to Lynch's 1984 film or the first Dune miniseries. I think Lynch could have made Children of Dune more entertaining.
this entire series is the best version so far, as telling the story of Dune and its first sequels. The new movies are spectacular to watch for special effects , camera angles, lighting, music, actors, etc. But it goes so far from the novel that it cant be considered better than a SCI-FI channel mini-series.
The effects are better than expected, but Dune series drags on a bit, and the second series is fairly vague at times and drags on a lot more. Some weird stuff they could have explained better or left out. Dune 84 did it the best.
The soundtrack is AWESOME
Good summary of the movie. Though the books are different in many small ways. For example Susan sarandon's character had nothing to do with the creation of Duncan Idaho she is not even in the book Dune Messiah.
Is there any other way to watch the miniseries other than the ones uploaded to youtube with dubious quality and huge censor bars? I sadly no longer have the VHS recordings I made as a kid, let alone a VHS player to watch them lol.
In the UK both Dune and Children of Dune mini series are available on Blu Ray. Not sure if that helps you.
I really want to see this. I wish they'd re-release it
Its on Blu Ray along with the original series. Dvd too.
People who haven't read the whole series often struggle to understand the golden path and Precognition in the dune universe.
The reason Paul decides to give up the golden path is because he lacks the mental strength to see through 3000 years of manipulations and sacrifices to achieve it.
Precognition in dune is like the scene from avengers endgame when dr strange looks at the futures to see how to win!
Except Paul and Leto II can see basically their entire lives(and further), what they cant see the benne gesserit training and mental conditioning and their genius level intellects allow them to fill in with educated guesses.
So the golden path is already mapped out before them from very early on in there precognitive lives.
So no surprises nothing new for the entirety of the lives from the point they gain there full vision(not perfect vision).
SPOILERS:
Also they are trapped by the golden path for it to be successful they have to follow only pathways in which it succeeds. Chani must die, paul must lose his vision, alia must fall to abomination. One of Paul or Leto must take up the golden path and become Sandworm!
Paul as shown struggles letting his loved ones die and become lost(abomination) he struggles standing by letting what must happen happen and never being able to confide in anyone.
But his vision does show him a way out for himself, he can have a son a son who is stronger, tougher and who will never back down from all the Golden path demands, though it will also end in Paul's death.
What is the Golden path: it is the only way humans can survive the great enemy, its a specific pathway through time that achieves one goal, The ability by humans to never be able to ruled by any BEING with precognitive abilities.
It will remove humans from precognitive sight(of any kind-this is important).
The great enemy................... turn away if not wanting to know this!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is the 2 great machine A.I.'s which survived the machine wars which destroyed earth and created the dune universe as we know it.
Think terminator skynet but instead of a defense program it was created to serve as a do everything butler for the grossly hedonistic humans of basically just ahead of our times, maybe 200-300 years in our future.
They took over and enslaved humanity for thousands of years.
Why the golden path vs the machine A.I.'s because the machines primary way of tactical control and superiority is through predictive algorithms. In a way they have vision as good of the future as Paul and Leto.
Ours through genetics there's through superior computing power(world sized computer).
hope this helps people!!
Pretty accurate, although I personally don't like the machine Brian Herbert ending.
At last - someone who has read more than the first few books!
I'm struggling to understand the golden path, that's why I came here. But apparently, I'm gonna have to read 4000 pages of Dune to find out what happens after watching 9 hours of miniseries and not getting an ending.
@@Josef_R It is to breed people to be invisible to prescience and also teach people through experience not to put tyrants in power.
@@bobjoneswof I just realized I didn't see all of the OP message after the first paragraph. Thanks.
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After watching Dune Part 2 and then watching this video, I think Denis Villeneuve's Dune Messiah should be very interesting! Also, it's so apparent now that Star Wars copied a lot from Dune.
Wait in the scene when she is informed of Duncans death one of the priest says "I'm Sorry Duncan was" and she interrupts and says out loud "MY HUSBAND". And I have seen the series recently they very much reference in moments that they are indeed married in the mini series.
Aside from his guest appearance on Foyle's War, this is James McAvoy's best work.
And then Leto the 2nd turns into a worm
Just has been restarting the miniseries of Dune [2000] and Children of Dune [2003].
So Jason Mamoa could be back if the make more movies
I feel like George Martin took some major inspiration from these books.
when was this filmed?
i watched dune in germany in theater weeks ago? I thought it was out everywhere..
Children of Dune was done years ago (2003) by SyFy channel, a miniseries combining Dune Messiah and Children of Dune. The Villeneuve Dune doesn't come out here in the US until Thursday.
Bruh. Am in America and already watched it
@@marlenewaldron4690 i meant his video, cause i thought maybe the movie had been out by now; i'm so used to movies being out in the us before germany ;)
The new Dune movie is out in US on October 22nd
@@ruma7945 sorry, I misunderstood your question. My apologies. I think part of the reason that the US is behind in releasing is because the studio is waiting to see how the movie does globally before greenlighting the second half (not sure if it's already been greenlit) before committing to it. I can't believe they didn't give Villeneuve the OK to just film both halves at the same time. It's such an amazing movie.
is that james mcavoy on the thumbnail?
YESSSS!!! Excellent video with superb details! I finally got around to watching The children of Dune and I'm glad that I did as I am listening to all of the Dune books via audiobooks. It's an amazing saga/trilogy and I do encourage anyone who fancies sci-fi to give it a read and or listen. 🎤😁🤘
I enjoyed this series, it was the golden age of the syfy channel. Afterward nothing came close to it.
2:19 what the hell? Surely you meant Wencisia is "the daughter of Shaddam, sister of Irulan". Not "daughter of Shaddam and his sister Irulan"!
Imagine live action God Emperor of Dune
this series is done extremely well(except special effect or CGI). Future professor X and Borg Queen both here LOL.
only thing is that the ending of this series leave me curious about next story. but I think no one would make it to TV series or movie because it is way too complex.
God Emperor of Dune is unfilmable not because it's complex, but because it's boring.
Alice Kruge appeared in Children of Dune AFTER she had played the Borg Queen - First Contact came out in 1996.
Great summary of this mini series that generally didn't do a particularly good job
Sci-Fi Channel's Children of Dune is actually a sequel to their 2000 version of Dune with William Hurt. It was low budget and was made in Czech Republic but the script and the acting was far superior to the 1984 David Lynch/Dino Delaurentis version. The 2000 Sci-Fi version also explained the political dynamics of the Landsraad.
Lynch's film will always be the superior one, its way easier to follow, better action, better cast and story and it doesn't drag on as much as the others. The first Dune series is better than the second, it gets a bit weird and vague in the second. Lynch likely would have made an amusing sequel.
The 2003 Miniseries is a sequel to the 2000 Miniseries not the 1984 version you don't seem top specifiy that at any point so I assume you haven't seen it.
I’ve got this version of Dune! What can I say, I’m Dune crazy!
Chani wasnt being poisoned, it was just the contraceptive given her by Irulan.
There were side effects though.
the television series portrays them as married as well, in the scene at 07:23 she specifically says "he was my husband"
Paul is my favorite character
I love dune
Being an abomination doesn’t mean that someone has become “Psychologically unsound”, it means a Pre-Born has lost control of their ancestral memories.
Right but they become psychologically unbalanced DUE to this by being overwhelmed by it. Understandably so but still..there is a distinction but it is a subtle one that many may not see. Either way, it's causality that still means they are not fit to lead.
The deposed emperor still lives on Salusus with just 1 legion of Sardukar during the events of Dune Messiah
Billy and Mandy adventures have an excellent parody of god of dune
I loved the series with McAvoy
I wonder if Denis will make Dune Messiah and children of Dune? That's probably another 3 movies there already.
I know he hopes to make a third movie, based on Dune Messiah. (Herbert originally envisioned Dune Messiah as part of the first novel. Some of Messiah was written before Dune was complete. But putting all of Paul's story in one volume was too long long/unwieldy.) If he has expressed interest in doing Children of Dune, I am unaware of it.
Now I know why no one is rushing to adapt these
Water is spread on the sand because the tribe rejects an abominations water.
I owned the first three books in the Dune series but never read them until after the David Lynch DUNE movie in 1984. I loved that movie, then read the books and loved them even more, and became irritated that movie was so poorly done. But after careful reflection, I realized that the Lynch did not have the budget or the backing to create a movie that could possibly encompass the scope of Dune. I absolutely adored the two Sci-Fi Channel Dune mini-series. Not perfect, but very well done and much closer to the source material than Lynch's movie. I wish they would have made God-Emperor of Dune into a movie. The new movie (2022) version has started well. I won't say it's better than the miniseries, but it was a joy to watch, and I look forward to the 2nd movie. I sincerely hope this director is able to make all six books into movies.