That was a classy move, and I saw what Skip had to say about it. That's a manager. And the crowd was enthusiastic beyond expectations. They were thrilled. A great night. The best.
_'elevate the game'_ ? Are you insane? It was an abomination. The "Marlins" quit before the game was over in an utterly shameful display of unprofessionalism and lack of competitive spirit. You go all out until the bitter end. PERIOD.
BIGGEST RESPECT to Marlins and staff for pitching to Ohtani. They did what 99% of what other teams wouldn't have done vs Ohtani. They just played baseball. 🤝
I don’t think that’s true. Everyone has pitched to him. Bonds on the other hand, took a ton of walks in his pursuit of the HR record. I think that’s because Bonds and Ohtani have/had a decidedly different reputation among their colleagues, though. I have always said one guy can’t make that much difference in a 9 player lineup. I stand corrected. His is from another dimension.
@@AldrickRosas2765 He's not talking about the entire year dumb dumb. He's talking about how teams don't want to be the one a player achieves an accolade against. Nobody wants to be the "He achieved the first 50-50 against team X".
I’m an Aussie and was listening to the MLB highlights in the car. when he hit the 50th HR, I had to pull over and sat there with hands on my head in shock, then finished it off with 9th inning HR. Unbelievable.
Ohtani offered the Dodgers a pretty sweet deal, really he’s only taking two million dollars a year in salary. Almost all of his money is deferred-with zero interest! The deferred money still costs LA against the cap, but only partially. Ohtani’s contract costs the dodgers 43 or 46 million dollars a year for cap purposes, which is a lot, but it’s not crippling. Most of the best NBA players make around 40 or 50 million dollars and the NBA cap is a lot harder than baseball’s cap. The ceiling is also a lot lower. It remains to be seen how many great years we get out of Shohei. He turned 24 during his first season & he he’s 30 now. baseball players who perform at an elite level past age 35 or so are pretty bloody rare. There were a bunch of ‘em during the steroid era. Position players tend to age like milk after age 30, however. There have only been four non-juicers to win an MVP aged 35 and older. One of them, Dennis Eckersley, was a relief pitcher. I loved Eck & still do. He’s one of the all-time great closers and watching him go from hero to zero and back to hero after he conquered his addiction issues was amazing. He really shouldn’t have won the MVP in ‘92, however. But he did & God bless him. He wasn’t a position player. Though. The three position players who won MVPs aged 35 & over who weren’t juiced to the moon were Willie Stargell in 1979, Mike Schmidt in 1986 & Hank Sauer in 1952. Stargell was 38. Schmitty was 36 & Sauer was 35. There have been other position players who’ve remained effective into their 30s but they’be always been the exception to the rule. Pitchers, on the other hand, tend to mature a little later than hitters. It’s not nearly as uncommon for a pitcher maintain his dominance in his 30s as it is for hitters. Shohei, of course, is a pretty talented pitcher. He’s top 5-10 in the league when he’s healthy.
Okay but just looking at this year - just call it $70 for accounting purposes because no matter WHEN it is getting paid it still needs paid and dividing the money by the years it the easiest way to judge. I read the outfield wall has made $6.5m compared to $0.5m last year. Its through Japanese advertisers and That is 100% on Shohei. (maybe some Yoshi but come on) . So that 6M dollars right there. In total, I've read in an article in the LA times the number $46m dollars - it was complex and convoluted so I wont bore you with how it was calculated. But if that is even within 25% of the real figure that's half his salary. Whats MORE is what he is making the league. Every team is selling in field advertising to the Japanese market when Dodgers come to town. Plus Jersey sales are split between all baseball so go knows how many foreign sales he accounts for. I see them in the UK all the time (I've NEVER seen a lot of baseball merch before). Plus what he does for the international MLB app etc.
@@travisp5747 I think they're tied, Green has 1 more HR but Shohei has more RBI and 2 more SBs. Plus Shohei did it on his 50/50, break franchise record passed Green 49 HR with Dodgers, tough choice.
I was hoping he would reach 50 before the end of the season! I saw the espn video title “Best game ever!?” … I thought it was click bait. I was blown away he did what he did!
He's certainly the goat, now I'm ready to see him in the post season. He just "stop hitting him he's already dead"ed the regular season, but I need to see if that translates in October against Philly.
I feel like the - What it means to be MVP" keeps coming up, this year for sure with Clark, and over the years. Probably time to define it in each league. Clark and Shohei have got me into/back into following these sports. Exciting time to be a fan.
Ted Williams 1941 last two games of the year. On that day Williams’ batting average was .3996. Williams’ manager asked him if he wanted to sit out the doubleheader because his average of .3996 would round up to .400. Williams said no he wanted to play both games of the doubleheader. Williams went 6 for 8 that day and raised his average to .406. Last man to hit .400 and what a gutsy way to finish the season off. That’s why Williams is such a legend.
This is what I was thinking as well. I believe it was a last day of the season double header, which how many of those have ever happened. But "technically" that was over 2 games. One day, but 2 games, which might make it more impressive now that I think about it.
Indeed, one of the most remarkable records in baseball history is Shohei Ohtani's dual achievement in 2022 as both a pitcher and a batter, attaining a specific milestone in each capacity.
Ohtani has the most 450'+ homeruns in Dodgers history. In his first season. Also has the record for most consecutive stolen bases without being thrown out. In his first season
It’s more fun, certainly; and I’m really glad that MLB tweaked to rules to make base-stealing more worthwhile, but 50 doubles & 50 homers is demonstrably more valuable than 50 homers and & 50 steals. There’s only one guy who’s pulled that combo off, too, btw, and that was during baseball’s strike-shortened 144 game 1995 season. (Albert Belle had 52 doubles & 50 homers for Cleveland in 1995.)
@@grahamstrouse1165 Homeruns and doubles are basically the same thing, just that one is inferior to the other. And sure, if you compare 1HR & 1DB with 1HR & 1SB, it does look like the former is better. But look at it from a defensive side. When it's a no runner situation, they're approximately the same thing. But that's not my main argument. If you're going to talk about long balls and hitting prowess like HR and DB, you'd have to talk about total bases. having 50HR/50DB is a humongous feat, no doubt, and I strongly believe Albert Belle should get more ecognition for that. But looking at it TB wise, Belle of 1995 had 377, Judge 2022 had 391, Barry 2001* had 411*. Shohei this year already has 377. Do you see where I'm getting at? Shohei has the same amount of TB as 95 Belle already with 51 steals. Bell 95 had 5 steals. I was a big Albert Belle fan back then and furious about Mo winning the MVP (I still am), and I appreciate people bringing his name up again, but I don't think his 95 season compares with Ohtani's 2024. But thanks for bringing back my memories of Albert Belle. He was a beast for those 3-4 years!
@@clubeyxander5132you can’t say Shohei already has 377 TB when Bell’s 1995 season was shortened to 144 games. Ohtani has played in more games this season than Bell did. Im really not quite sure why I’ve several people in this thread and Dan P In the clip keep discrediting doubles. The single season record for 2Bs is lower than the the top 7 Home Run seasons. It’s not just this “oh well when you just miss a homer you get a double” you guys keep making it out to be.
@@travisp5747 Belle having only 144 games is a valid point. It's just too bad things turned out that way. It's even worse that he didn't get the MVP. I'm still furious about that. For the doubles argument, I'm not discrediting doubles, I'm evaluating them within the context. Players aim for homers, they don't aim for doubles. Doesn't that explain for why the single season record for 2Bs is lower than the the top 7 Home Run seasons? And for the 50/50 argument, HR & SB require totally opposite skillsets while HR & 2B don't. I'm not saying hitting 2B are easier than SB, it isn't. It just so happens that it's much harder for HR batters to steal bases than to hit doubles. That's my take. And for the total base stuff, I just gave it for the sake of reference to look at when we're looking just at hitting achievements. I just said Ohtani already has 377, which is a fact, nothing more or less. Judge has more, I presume, and Acuna had more last season. I don't think that takes anything away from Shohei's 50/50 because it's a totally different story. But if you're talking about HR & 2B, it does count doesn' it? So, I think we could make an argument comparing Aaron Judge's 2022 season with Belle's 1995 season rather than comparing it to Shohei's 2024. Then we could say Belle would've had more total bases had the season been 162 games and so on. The fact that Ohtani has 377 TB in 153 games would only be relevant to the 50/50 conversation if we considered whether Belle would've stole 44 more bases in his 18 games that was lost to the shortened season. That's how different the two feats are. But, you know, I was a big Albert Belle fan back in the day, and I thank you for bringing his name up. He needs more recognition than he's getting, that's for sure. And as I've already said, I'm still mad about Mo's MVP.
@@clubeyxander5132 not only that, a steal is basically a double if it came from a single, so u could very well chalk up all the 1st to 2nd base steals for Ohtani as 50 doubles
When the bat rests in Ohtani's grip, it transforms into an artist's brush, each stroke a deft sweep across the canvas of the field, painting arcs like the trails of shooting stars that enrapture the spectators in their otherworldly glow.
Greatest Performance in Baseball history. He not only went 6/6 but set the record for 50/50+, the first time in the LONG history of MLB in today's pro environment. Unmatched.
Not really...in fact it should go down in history as one the sport's most shameful outings wherein we find a team quitting well in advance of game's end...stooping to such depths as to lob 60mph batting practice softballs up to the opposition - insulting all those that seek to uphold the true spirit of competition in all their sporting endeavors not to mention in having given up prematurely, threatening the very integrity of the game of professional baseball
Exactly! But like - what do we expect of this guy? Lol. Now they’re talking about the possibility of him pitching in the post season? I don’t think that’s going to happen.
Shawn Green's 6 for 6. 4 HRs, 7RBIs and 19 total bases is still the best "GAME" I've ever seen. SHOTime's game is just coming in a record setting season.
Dan makes the most pertinent point about Belle and doubles: they are just another slugging stat. The reason homeruns and steals are linked is because they showcase different tools in a player's arsenal. To get 50 steals when 50 opportunities are negated by homeruns is mind boggling. For a player to have the speed, awareness, and finesse to steal 50 times is unheard of for a slugger. No one talks about dual slugging milestones, they are essential the same skill.
i saw 48 from the 9th row. i still have this image in my mind of him just absolutely blasting it. it was like a freaking line drive into the upper deck. it looked like he hit a freaking 6 iron.
2 more attainable records for this season. Babe Ruth's 54hrs in his 1st year with a new team & Rickey Henderson's 13Hr & 13 stolen in the same game , which Shohei tied yesterday. 3 MVP's in 7 seasons ? Shohei is a Hall of famer already.
Ohtani already tied Rickey’s record. 🙂 That home run mark is doable, too. Six of LA’s final 9 games aes against the Rockies. Shohei’s also got a decent shot of catching Judge for the MLB lead. Aaron was up by something like 10 or 12 homers before he went into a 16 game homerless drought. Now he’s up by two, I think?
To me, the closest comp is Wayne Gretzky scoring 5 goals to reach 50 in 39 games. Just like with Shohei, it seemed destined that he was going to reach the milestone, but nobody would have called it that day.
Just a footnote here. 138 steals is a record set by Hugh Nicol in 1887, when runners were credited for a stolen base if they took an extra base on a hit by another player (i.e. if they went from 1st to third on a single). Rickey Henderson stole 130 bases in 1982 WITHOUT that rule. If that rule had been in place in 1982, Rickey might have had 200+ steals.
This was, at the very least, ONE of the best games I've ever witnessed in my lifetime in terms of batting. Up there with Shawn Green's 6-6 night with 4 HRs, 19 total bases, 6 runs & 7 RBIs or Mark Whiten's 4 HR, 12 RBI performance or Josh Hamilton going 5 for 5 with 4 HRs, or Tatis hitting 2 grand slams...IN 1 INNING, and of course Ohtani's double-header with the Angels when he pitched a 1-hit shut-out in the first game and followed that up going 2 for 3 with 2 HRs in the second game.
They are missing the point. Yes, people have stolen more than 50 bases and people have hit more than 50 homers, BUT to do both in the same season is incredible because most home run hitters can’t run and most runners can’t hit homers. No one else has ever done it in 120+ years of baseball. That would be like someone getting 500 assists and 500 blocks in an NBA season.
Dan, I am glad you brought up Don Larsen's "perfect game", as each generation tends to forget the past in selecting what they feel is the best they have ever seen. I'd say this game was one of the best, ever. And the Marlins' manager showed both total class and true baseball love/spirit. Most teams would not have pitched to him. In fact, even the crowd getting into it was just phenomenal. The Dodgers' announcer did Vin Scully proud! Baseball has always had heroes. But baseball is AMERICA'S PASTTIME. So, the more folks involved, the better the event becomes! p.s. my memories slid way, waaaaaaay back to Maury Wills and Lou Brock and Ricky Henderson. Oh ya, and the one who refused to attend the game where his own record was broken-real class. In any case, I love that Ohtani is from Japan. every record he breaks, it's also for all the people in Japan. I imagine they are hanging on to every pitch to their hero! As Patrick said, this is storybook stuff. I actually cry each time I see the highlights from that game. Oh my God, are you bringing up football...home of the "monkey dance"...where idiots look like fools while being paid millions of dollars to entertain-do they even remember that? And comparing Kobe...seriously...maid in hotel? Dream on. Ohtani is currently on top of the world. Nothing lasts forever boys...Stop talking and just enjoy it. If Christ came and went, you people would talk and talk...and then move on when the next story arrived!
And to think he was 6 homeruns and 1 stolen base away from a 60/60 season. Not to mention he was percentages away from winning the triple crown. This was quite possibly the single greatest offensive season in the history of baseball. Oh, and he didn't even do what he's best at - which is pitch. Unreal. We are witnessing unprecedented greatness right now.
The reason why 50/50 is more impressive with stolen bases rather than doubles is because doubles and home runs are both power numbers. Stolen base equates to speed, so speed and power are two different attributes.
Not to mention he’s RECOVERING from Tommy Jones surgery. Let’s put up a stat board comparing him to every player recovering from TJ surgery within 12 months lol
Compare it to Wayne Gretzky scoring 50 goals in 39 games. He was at 35 goals after 34 games, and then went 3-2-1-4-5 in the next five games. FIFTEEN goals in five games to break the 50-in-50 record by 11 games.
The greatest day in baseball history is this or the last year, when Shohei did complete shut out in the 1st game of the double header and then hit two homers in the second game in one day.
I think Marvin is right the closest comparison is Kobe’s 81 point game. Greatest nba regular season game of all time and ohtani with probably the greatest mlb regular season game of all time.
It was the greatest game I’ve seen since Kerry Wood stuck out 20. That was great. But the Dodgers made the playoffs and that was the deciding game. You can’t write it better than than that.
Ohtani is the greatest baseball talent in my life. That’s not saying he’s accomplished the most - he’s only played 7 years and he might not play that long since he broke in late. But right now, there’s never been a player who does all that he does.
no way he will be running as much next year…. yes, weve been putting Ohtani in that context where we say “he shouldnt be doing xxx because there is no precedent” well, he has been continuously exceeding out expectations, I now think that Shohei might do it anyway.
Rich Eisen said players have gotten 6 or more hits in a game, 10 rbis or more in a game, 3 home runs or more in a game, 2 sb or more in a game. But no one in their career has done all of these and Ohtani did it in one game.
This dude is insane, going through the comments got me thinking his prime averages might actually be 30 hr, 30 steals, 100 rbi and runs, .280 avg, 15 wins, 180ks, 3.5 era
I think it was Eisen who pointed out that what Ohtani accomplished in a single game, no other hitter has accomplished in an entire career. It's hard to top that.
Only thing that would have cemented this as the greatest performance of all time, he was a half step away from hitting for the cycle. His second double he got thrown out at third. Imagine if it was 6-for-6, 3 HRs, 10 RBI, 2 SB, 4 R, AND A CYCLE...
This is so different all on its own because the guy hit 50 Home runs by batting those in and at the same time he ran to steal 50 stolen bases to execute that. Two different things altogether to reach that magical 50 number in the same game nonetheless within the same year.
Josh Hamilton was the only guy that comes close to making that sound when the back connects to the ball He was a monster And I feel like if two-way players were a thing around the turn of the century they might have tried it with him cuz he had a cannon for an arm
Ohtani did a perfect game and then some. He reached milestones in stats that no player has ever done in their entire career in 1 day. He created a club that no one will enter for years maybe even decades, certainly wouldn't beat his 54 59 record. And all this to help dodgers secure his first playoff in MLB. You hit a perfect game, made your career, made history, and came in clutch for your team's season. What other dimension could another performance be better?
People keep sayin' he "joined" the 50-50 club. The implication is that there was a 50-50 club waiting for him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that he created that "club." He set up the clubhouse, picked the furniture and put the pictures on the walls.
I vote that Shohei Ohtani's 50/50 record is more impressive than Albert Belle's HR & Doubles because it covers 3 separate tools, which highlights his versatility. Belle's HR & Doubles, while impressive, displays 2 tools. Founding the 50/50 with arguably the greatest individual performance in a single baseball game helps also.
Attendance was only 15,548. In a few years, 100,000 are going to say they were there. Imagine having tickets, but deciding to stay home last night. Unless you were going somewhere else to see about a girl, there has to be some regret.
If there was any lead off hitter that can drive in 10 RBI's that would be OHTANI. By the way he missed the "CYCLE" by inches that would've been even crazier and the first at bat was almost his 4th HR. Unanimous MVP! Cy Young next year? What can't he do lol.
Reminded on how Tiger Woods was sureal in his beginning. Gretzky' 50th goal in 39 games, scoring five in the game and Bobby Orr's glorious years. Showtime is certainly up there.
Complete respect for the achievement and the way he did it. I guess my only thing is stolen bases aren’t really that sexy as far as stats go. Again though very impressed and the game definitely is an all timer
The "greatest game" in baseball history is a highly debated topic, but a few legendary games consistently stand out. One of the most often cited is Game 7 of the 2016 World Series between the Chicago Cubs and the Cleveland Indians. This game had everything: dramatic lead changes, extra innings, a rain delay, and a historic ending. The Cubs won 8-7 in 10 innings, breaking their infamous 108-year championship drought. Other contenders include: Game 6 of the 1975 World Series (Red Sox vs. Reds): Carlton Fisk's iconic walk-off home run in the 12th inning pushed the series to a Game 7. Game 7 of the 1960 World Series (Pirates vs. Yankees): This game ended with Bill Mazeroski’s walk-off home run, the only Game 7 walk-off homer in World Series history. Game 5 of the 1956 World Series (Yankees vs. Dodgers): Don Larsen pitched the only perfect game in World Series history. Each of these games has a claim to being the greatest depending on what criteria you value: history, drama, or individual performances.
34 doubles, 7 triples, twice as many intentional walks as Albert Belle, 1 more HR, and exactly the same number of total bases (377) as of posting. The problem with the doubles statistic is that all triples could also be doubles. That being said, Albert Belle was a beast in '95, he should have had a better legacy.
To put this in perspective, according to Rich Eisen, the stats Shohei put up last night in one game nobody in baseball history has ever done it in an entire career
He might not steal 50 next season but one thing is sure in my mind that he is gonna steal a lot, his efficiency rate on steal is on an another level, a switch flipped in his head after the all star game. He has stolen 30SB is his last 57 games if i am not wrong.
Rather poor understanding of baseball to disparage Ohtani’s achievement because a lot of players have stolen a lot more than 50 bases in a season. 🙄There’s a reason only Ohtani is in 50-50 club, it’s because most base stealers are singles hitters, and the base stolen most often is second base, because at second you’re in scoring position and you avoid the hitter hitting into a double play, but when you get as many extra base hits as Ohtani, there aren’t as many chances to steal second.
There's a difference between the greatest game in baseball history and the greatest individual performance. 20-4 is maybe the greatest rout in history, but probably not.
Skip Schumaker, Marlins fans, players, staff... Thank you for helping elevate the game! Bravo all around!
Skip didn't cheat the game or fans of it.
That was a classy move, and I saw what Skip had to say about it. That's a manager. And the crowd was enthusiastic beyond expectations. They were thrilled. A great night. The best.
Skip is a great coach, hat off
When you're a "fan of the game" manager, you go after him like Skip did! 👏 Bravo!.
_'elevate the game'_ ? Are you insane? It was an abomination. The "Marlins" quit before the game was over in an utterly shameful display of unprofessionalism and lack of competitive spirit. You go all out until the bitter end. PERIOD.
BIGGEST RESPECT to Marlins and staff for pitching to Ohtani. They did what 99% of what other teams wouldn't have done vs Ohtani. They just played baseball. 🤝
I don’t think that’s true. Everyone has pitched to him. Bonds on the other hand, took a ton of walks in his pursuit of the HR record. I think that’s because Bonds and Ohtani have/had a decidedly different reputation among their colleagues, though. I have always said one guy can’t make that much difference in a 9 player lineup. I stand corrected. His is from another dimension.
He has 10 intentional walks in 700 plate appearances this year, yet "99% of other teams" wouldn't pitch to him? The math ain't mathing🤣
@@AldrickRosas2765 He's not talking about the entire year dumb dumb. He's talking about how teams don't want to be the one a player achieves an accolade against. Nobody wants to be the "He achieved the first 50-50 against team X".
The sounds of Shohei's bat hitting those home runs..Just amazing.
Dan, Ohtani didn't "join" the 50/50 club... He CREATED it.
The dude is unreal. This is the greatest feat in baseball history!
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I’m an Aussie and was listening to the MLB highlights in the car. when he hit the 50th HR, I had to pull over and sat there with hands on my head in shock, then finished it off with 9th inning HR. Unbelievable.
I know exactly what you mean
Folks, you are watching absolute greatness here... enjoy living in history!
$700 million turned out to be a deal.
Ohtani generates almost a billion dollars for the team and the city of LA. The Dodgers are getting back his entire salary in just one year.
Ohtani offered the Dodgers a pretty sweet deal, really he’s only taking two million dollars a year in salary. Almost all of his money is deferred-with zero interest! The deferred money still costs LA against the cap, but only partially. Ohtani’s contract costs the dodgers 43 or 46 million dollars a year for cap purposes, which is a lot, but it’s not crippling. Most of the best NBA players make around 40 or 50 million dollars and the NBA cap is a lot harder than baseball’s cap. The ceiling is also a lot lower.
It remains to be seen how many great years we get out of Shohei. He turned 24 during his first season & he he’s 30 now. baseball players who perform at an elite level past age 35 or so are pretty bloody rare. There were a bunch of ‘em during the steroid era. Position players tend to age like milk after age 30, however.
There have only been four non-juicers to win an MVP aged 35 and older. One of them, Dennis Eckersley, was a relief pitcher. I loved Eck & still do. He’s one of the all-time great closers and watching him go from hero to zero and back to hero after he conquered his addiction issues was amazing. He really shouldn’t have won the MVP in ‘92, however. But he did & God bless him.
He wasn’t a position player. Though.
The three position players who won MVPs aged 35 & over who weren’t juiced to the moon were Willie Stargell in 1979, Mike Schmidt in 1986 & Hank Sauer in 1952. Stargell was 38. Schmitty was 36 & Sauer was 35.
There have been other position players who’ve remained effective into their 30s but they’be always been the exception to the rule.
Pitchers, on the other hand, tend to mature a little later than hitters. It’s not nearly as uncommon for a pitcher maintain his dominance in his 30s as it is for hitters.
Shohei, of course, is a pretty talented pitcher. He’s top 5-10 in the league when he’s healthy.
Okay but just looking at this year - just call it $70 for accounting purposes because no matter WHEN it is getting paid it still needs paid and dividing the money by the years it the easiest way to judge. I read the outfield wall has made $6.5m compared to $0.5m last year. Its through Japanese advertisers and That is 100% on Shohei. (maybe some Yoshi but come on) . So that 6M dollars right there. In total, I've read in an article in the LA times the number $46m dollars - it was complex and convoluted so I wont bore you with how it was calculated. But if that is even within 25% of the real figure that's half his salary.
Whats MORE is what he is making the league. Every team is selling in field advertising to the Japanese market when Dodgers come to town. Plus Jersey sales are split between all baseball so go knows how many foreign sales he accounts for. I see them in the UK all the time (I've NEVER seen a lot of baseball merch before). Plus what he does for the international MLB app etc.
Real deal
Indeed🤔
Without a doubt this is the best single game performance in baseball history, especially given the circumstances!!!
Without a single doubt huh? Not even a little one? That’s weird cause Shawn Green’s game tops it
@@travisp5747 I think they're tied, Green has 1 more HR but Shohei has more RBI and 2 more SBs.
Plus Shohei did it on his 50/50, break franchise record passed Green 49 HR with Dodgers, tough choice.
Don Larsen pitched a perfect game in the World Series
@@714cjpDoc Ellis pitched a perfect game on acid lol
I was hoping he would reach 50 before the end of the season! I saw the espn video title “Best game ever!?” … I thought it was click bait. I was blown away he did what he did!
Its almost an afterthought he also broke the ALL-TIME DODGER franchise HR season record too yesterday.
Simply the best ever off the one fact HE’S AN ELITE PITCHER
50 HRs and 20 Wins will be the next club he founds.
I wonder what is more likely, 50 hr and 20 wins or 50 hr and 200 ks. Or... all three!
He's certainly the goat, now I'm ready to see him in the post season. He just "stop hitting him he's already dead"ed the regular season, but I need to see if that translates in October against Philly.
He got 34 HR, 15 wins, 219 Ks in 2022. First ever player to qualify for both hitting and pitching stats.
That would be so insane. And what’s more is that he could actually do it lol
Don't hold your breath.
Nolan Ryan 18 two hitters, 12 one hitters, 7 no hitters insane as far as pitcher performances
And yet has never won a CY award. Crazy.
I feel like the - What it means to be MVP" keeps coming up, this year for sure with Clark, and over the years. Probably time to define it in each league. Clark and Shohei have got me into/back into following these sports. Exciting time to be a fan.
clark is nowhere near in the running for mvp lol
Ted Williams 1941 last two games of the year. On that day Williams’ batting average was .3996. Williams’ manager asked him if he wanted to sit out the doubleheader because his average of .3996 would round up to .400. Williams said no he wanted to play both games of the doubleheader. Williams went 6 for 8 that day and raised his average to .406. Last man to hit .400 and what a gutsy way to finish the season off. That’s why Williams is such a legend.
Absolutely Correct
This is what I was thinking as well. I believe it was a last day of the season double header, which how many of those have ever happened. But "technically" that was over 2 games. One day, but 2 games, which might make it more impressive now that I think about it.
Indeed, one of the most remarkable records in baseball history is Shohei Ohtani's dual achievement in 2022 as both a pitcher and a batter, attaining a specific milestone in each capacity.
Remember his 40/40 was a walk off grand slam. He never ceases to amaze and entertain.
Ohtani has the most 450'+ homeruns in Dodgers history. In his first season. Also has the record for most consecutive stolen bases without being thrown out. In his first season
It's the combination of power (home run) and speed (stolen bases) which makes HR+SB better than HR+2B
It’s more fun, certainly; and I’m really glad that MLB tweaked to rules to make base-stealing more worthwhile, but 50 doubles & 50 homers is demonstrably more valuable than 50 homers and & 50 steals. There’s only one guy who’s pulled that combo off, too, btw, and that was during baseball’s strike-shortened 144 game 1995 season. (Albert Belle had 52 doubles & 50 homers for Cleveland in 1995.)
@@grahamstrouse1165 Homeruns and doubles are basically the same thing, just that one is inferior to the other. And sure, if you compare 1HR & 1DB with 1HR & 1SB, it does look like the former is better. But look at it from a defensive side. When it's a no runner situation, they're approximately the same thing. But that's not my main argument.
If you're going to talk about long balls and hitting prowess like HR and DB, you'd have to talk about total bases. having 50HR/50DB is a humongous feat, no doubt, and I strongly believe Albert Belle should get more ecognition for that. But looking at it TB wise, Belle of 1995 had 377, Judge 2022 had 391, Barry 2001* had 411*. Shohei this year already has 377. Do you see where I'm getting at? Shohei has the same amount of TB as 95 Belle already with 51 steals. Bell 95 had 5 steals.
I was a big Albert Belle fan back then and furious about Mo winning the MVP (I still am), and I appreciate people bringing his name up again, but I don't think his 95 season compares with Ohtani's 2024.
But thanks for bringing back my memories of Albert Belle. He was a beast for those 3-4 years!
@@clubeyxander5132you can’t say Shohei already has 377 TB when Bell’s 1995 season was shortened to 144 games. Ohtani has played in more games this season than Bell did.
Im really not quite sure why I’ve several people in this thread and Dan P In the clip keep discrediting doubles. The single season record for 2Bs is lower than the the top 7 Home Run seasons. It’s not just this “oh well when you just miss a homer you get a double” you guys keep making it out to be.
@@travisp5747 Belle having only 144 games is a valid point. It's just too bad things turned out that way. It's even worse that he didn't get the MVP. I'm still furious about that.
For the doubles argument, I'm not discrediting doubles, I'm evaluating them within the context. Players aim for homers, they don't aim for doubles. Doesn't that explain for why the single season record for 2Bs is lower than the the top 7 Home Run seasons?
And for the 50/50 argument, HR & SB require totally opposite skillsets while HR & 2B don't. I'm not saying hitting 2B are easier than SB, it isn't. It just so happens that it's much harder for HR batters to steal bases than to hit doubles. That's my take.
And for the total base stuff, I just gave it for the sake of reference to look at when we're looking just at hitting achievements. I just said Ohtani already has 377, which is a fact, nothing more or less. Judge has more, I presume, and Acuna had more last season. I don't think that takes anything away from Shohei's 50/50 because it's a totally different story. But if you're talking about HR & 2B, it does count doesn' it?
So, I think we could make an argument comparing Aaron Judge's 2022 season with Belle's 1995 season rather than comparing it to Shohei's 2024. Then we could say Belle would've had more total bases had the season been 162 games and so on. The fact that Ohtani has 377 TB in 153 games would only be relevant to the 50/50 conversation if we considered whether Belle would've stole 44 more bases in his 18 games that was lost to the shortened season. That's how different the two feats are.
But, you know, I was a big Albert Belle fan back in the day, and I thank you for bringing his name up. He needs more recognition than he's getting, that's for sure. And as I've already said, I'm still mad about Mo's MVP.
@@clubeyxander5132 not only that, a steal is basically a double if it came from a single, so u could very well chalk up all the 1st to 2nd base steals for Ohtani as 50 doubles
It's a truly remarkable performance. And to think how close he was to hitting for the Cycle on top of it all.
One step away
When the bat rests in Ohtani's grip, it transforms into an artist's brush, each stroke a deft sweep across the canvas of the field, painting arcs like the trails of shooting stars that enrapture the spectators in their otherworldly glow.
Greatest Performance in Baseball history. He not only went 6/6 but set the record for 50/50+, the first time in the LONG history of MLB in today's pro environment. Unmatched.
Not really...in fact it should go down in history as one the sport's most shameful outings wherein we find a team quitting well in advance of game's end...stooping to such depths as to lob 60mph batting practice softballs up to the opposition - insulting all those that seek to uphold the true spirit of competition in all their sporting endeavors not to mention in having given up prematurely, threatening the very integrity of the game of professional baseball
i wonder what his 60/60 game is going to be like next week.
Hahahaha too true
Exactly! But like - what do we expect of this guy? Lol. Now they’re talking about the possibility of him pitching in the post season? I don’t think that’s going to happen.
55-55 very achievable. 60-60 will put a major gap. 😮
do you think 60/60 is achievable? how about 70/70?
How many games do they have left?
Shawn Green's 6 for 6. 4 HRs, 7RBIs and 19 total bases is still the best "GAME" I've ever seen. SHOTime's game is just coming in a record setting season.
I think that it's because he was reaching for 50/50 and then beat it with this greatest game that makes the difference.
Dan makes the most pertinent point about Belle and doubles: they are just another slugging stat. The reason homeruns and steals are linked is because they showcase different tools in a player's arsenal. To get 50 steals when 50 opportunities are negated by homeruns is mind boggling. For a player to have the speed, awareness, and finesse to steal 50 times is unheard of for a slugger. No one talks about dual slugging milestones, they are essential the same skill.
i saw 48 from the 9th row. i still have this image in my mind of him just absolutely blasting it. it was like a freaking line drive into the upper deck. it looked like he hit a freaking 6 iron.
2 more attainable records for this season. Babe Ruth's 54hrs in his 1st year with a new team & Rickey Henderson's 13Hr & 13 stolen in the same game , which Shohei tied yesterday. 3 MVP's in 7 seasons ? Shohei is a Hall of famer already.
Ohtani already tied Rickey’s record. 🙂 That home run mark is doable, too. Six of LA’s final 9 games aes against the Rockies. Shohei’s also got a decent shot of catching Judge for the MLB lead. Aaron was up by something like 10 or 12 homers before he went into a 16 game homerless drought. Now he’s up by two, I think?
It's not 3 mvps in 7 seasons. It's 3 mvps in just 4 seasons. That's even crazier.
@@TheBlackWaltzdo not forget that he is the first one who got MVP in both league.
@@ShoOhtakenah I think you need to forget because you’re flat wrong lmao
FYI, he beat it in todays game. He got another HR and another SB.
To me, the closest comp is Wayne Gretzky scoring 5 goals to reach 50 in 39 games. Just like with Shohei, it seemed destined that he was going to reach the milestone, but nobody would have called it that day.
Scoring 5 in that game
Ohtani already made 700 mil back to the Dodgers. What a GOAT he is.
Yep I still think he is underpaid lol
And the billion has been over the course of ONE season. The 700 million is getting paid in increments.
Just a footnote here. 138 steals is a record set by Hugh Nicol in 1887, when runners were credited for a stolen base if they took an extra base on a hit by another player (i.e. if they went from 1st to third on a single). Rickey Henderson stole 130 bases in 1982 WITHOUT that rule. If that rule had been in place in 1982, Rickey might have had 200+ steals.
This was, at the very least, ONE of the best games I've ever witnessed in my lifetime in terms of batting. Up there with Shawn Green's 6-6 night with 4 HRs, 19 total bases, 6 runs & 7 RBIs or Mark Whiten's 4 HR, 12 RBI performance or Josh Hamilton going 5 for 5 with 4 HRs, or Tatis hitting 2 grand slams...IN 1 INNING, and of course Ohtani's double-header with the Angels when he pitched a 1-hit shut-out in the first game and followed that up going 2 for 3 with 2 HRs in the second game.
They are missing the point. Yes, people have stolen more than 50 bases and people have hit more than 50 homers, BUT to do both in the same season is incredible because most home run hitters can’t run and most runners can’t hit homers. No one else has ever done it in 120+ years of baseball. That would be like someone getting 500 assists and 500 blocks in an NBA season.
Props to Skip Schumaker for that honest answer.
Judge and Otahni have that sound, which comes from being gigantic studs with incredible bat skills.
I love hearing Dan talk about "the sound". Buck O'Neil used to talk about "the sound" of babe Ruth and josh Gibson's bat. Now there's a 3rd guy.
Dan, I am glad you brought up Don Larsen's "perfect game", as each generation tends to forget the past in selecting what they feel is the best they have ever seen. I'd say this game was one of the best, ever. And the Marlins' manager showed both total class and true baseball love/spirit. Most teams would not have pitched to him. In fact, even the crowd getting into it was just phenomenal. The Dodgers' announcer did Vin Scully proud! Baseball has always had heroes. But baseball is AMERICA'S PASTTIME. So, the more folks involved, the better the event becomes! p.s. my memories slid way, waaaaaaay back to Maury Wills and Lou Brock and Ricky Henderson. Oh ya, and the one who refused to attend the game where his own record was broken-real class. In any case, I love that Ohtani is from Japan. every record he breaks, it's also for all the people in Japan. I imagine they are hanging on to every pitch to their hero! As Patrick said, this is storybook stuff. I actually cry each time I see the highlights from that game. Oh my God, are you bringing up football...home of the "monkey dance"...where idiots look like fools while being paid millions of dollars to entertain-do they even remember that? And comparing Kobe...seriously...maid in hotel? Dream on. Ohtani is currently on top of the world. Nothing lasts forever boys...Stop talking and just enjoy it. If Christ came and went, you people would talk and talk...and then move on when the next story arrived!
And to think he was 6 homeruns and 1 stolen base away from a 60/60 season. Not to mention he was percentages away from winning the triple crown. This was quite possibly the single greatest offensive season in the history of baseball. Oh, and he didn't even do what he's best at - which is pitch. Unreal. We are witnessing unprecedented greatness right now.
I seem to remember Rick Wise pitching a no hitter and hitting 2 home runs, never done before or since
The reason why 50/50 is more impressive with stolen bases rather than doubles is because doubles and home runs are both power numbers. Stolen base equates to speed, so speed and power are two different attributes.
Shohei is the GOAT. It's not a debate.
You could argue other performances were more important, but this was the greatest statistical game for an individual player ever.
What does he do for an encore? Maybe pitching in the World Series and winning. That would make this season the greatest season of all time.
Legendary moments that will forever be remembered! Shohei the GOAT of goats!!!!
Not to mention he’s RECOVERING from Tommy Jones surgery. Let’s put up a stat board comparing him to every player recovering from TJ surgery within 12 months lol
Let's just hope he doesn't need John Jones surgery next, or worse...Roy Jones, Jr. surgery. Career = over at that point.
Compare it to Wayne Gretzky scoring 50 goals in 39 games. He was at 35 goals after 34 games, and then went 3-2-1-4-5 in the next five games. FIFTEEN goals in five games to break the 50-in-50 record by 11 games.
The greatest day in baseball history is this or the last year, when Shohei did complete shut out in the 1st game of the double header and then hit two homers in the second game in one day.
I think Marvin is right the closest comparison is Kobe’s 81 point game. Greatest nba regular season game of all time and ohtani with probably the greatest mlb regular season game of all time.
One of the greatest DHs ever was Edgar Martinez. With a career year in 95 he finished 3rd in the MVP race which was a
crime in my opinion.
It was the greatest game I’ve seen since Kerry Wood stuck out 20. That was great. But the Dodgers made the playoffs and that was the deciding game. You can’t write it better than than that.
Ohtani is the greatest baseball talent in my life. That’s not saying he’s accomplished the most - he’s only played 7 years and he might not play that long since he broke in late. But right now, there’s never been a player who does all that he does.
no way he will be running as much next year…. yes, weve been putting Ohtani in that context where we say “he shouldnt be doing xxx because there is no precedent” well, he has been continuously exceeding out expectations, I now think that Shohei might do it anyway.
Exactly one year after elbow surgery
Rich Eisen said players have gotten 6 or more hits in a game, 10 rbis or more in a game, 3 home runs or more in a game, 2 sb or more in a game. But no one in their career has done all of these and Ohtani did it in one game.
He almost hit for the cycle too!!! Was very close. 🔥🔥🔥
This dude is insane, going through the comments got me thinking his prime averages might actually be 30 hr, 30 steals, 100 rbi and runs, .280 avg, 15 wins, 180ks, 3.5 era
I think it was Eisen who pointed out that what Ohtani accomplished in a single game, no other hitter has accomplished in an entire career. It's hard to top that.
Only thing that would have cemented this as the greatest performance of all time, he was a half step away from hitting for the cycle. His second double he got thrown out at third. Imagine if it was 6-for-6, 3 HRs, 10 RBI, 2 SB, 4 R, AND A CYCLE...
This is so different all on its own because the guy hit 50 Home runs by batting those in and at the same time he ran to steal 50 stolen bases to execute that. Two different things altogether to reach that magical 50 number in the same game nonetheless within the same year.
The crack of the bat sound is reminiscent of the natural.
Shogun Goatani 🙇🏻♂️
Josh Hamilton was the only guy that comes close to making that sound when the back connects to the ball
He was a monster
And I feel like if two-way players were a thing around the turn of the century they might have tried it with him cuz he had a cannon for an arm
Ohtani did a perfect game and then some. He reached milestones in stats that no player has ever done in their entire career in 1 day. He created a club that no one will enter for years maybe even decades, certainly wouldn't beat his 54 59 record. And all this to help dodgers secure his first playoff in MLB. You hit a perfect game, made your career, made history, and came in clutch for your team's season. What other dimension could another performance be better?
Dan you are 💯 absolutely correct
Shohei Ohtani king of baseball ⚾️
People keep sayin' he "joined" the 50-50 club. The implication is that there was a 50-50 club waiting for him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that he created that "club." He set up the clubhouse, picked the furniture and put the pictures on the walls.
I vote that Shohei Ohtani's 50/50 record is more impressive than Albert Belle's HR & Doubles because it covers 3 separate tools, which highlights his versatility. Belle's HR & Doubles, while impressive, displays 2 tools. Founding the 50/50 with arguably the greatest individual performance in a single baseball game helps also.
And he missed hitting for the cycle by a hair. He almost made it to 3rd after the 2nd double. Got picked off 1/4 inch off the base.
reggie jackson 1977 game 6 world series...........3 pitchers............3 pitchs...............3 homeruns
I'm glad someone mentioned this one.
The only thing I could think of was TIger in the US Open. But, this beats that.
Attendance was only 15,548. In a few years, 100,000 are going to say they were there. Imagine having tickets, but deciding to stay home last night. Unless you were going somewhere else to see about a girl, there has to be some regret.
Maybe the greatest game in SPORTS history. Up there with Wilt, and more statistically meaningful and complete.
blessed to be there 🥹
Shohei Ohtani is the GOAT...🔥🔥🔥🔥
If there was any lead off hitter that can drive in 10 RBI's that would be OHTANI. By the way he missed the "CYCLE" by inches that would've been even crazier and the first at bat was almost his 4th HR. Unanimous MVP! Cy Young next year? What can't he do lol.
Shawn Green had a phenomenal game I think four home runs, 19 total bases record, still does not compare to what Otani did😍
Reminded on how Tiger Woods was sureal in his beginning. Gretzky' 50th goal in 39 games, scoring five in the game and Bobby Orr's glorious years. Showtime is certainly up there.
Complete respect for the achievement and the way he did it. I guess my only thing is stolen bases aren’t really that sexy as far as stats go. Again though very impressed and the game definitely is an all timer
Not to mention he just guaranteed higher ratings in the playoffs.
Time for Ohtani to start going after records like 57 in a row. Might as well!
60/60 is possible.
@@Kingofthehill84 he gotta stay super hot. i would say he has a 5-10% chance to do it. 9 games left.
It was 2 games, but he did have a day last year with 2 homers in a game, and a complete game shutout in the doubleheader
The "greatest game" in baseball history is a highly debated topic, but a few legendary games consistently stand out. One of the most often cited is Game 7 of the 2016 World Series between the Chicago Cubs and the Cleveland Indians. This game had everything: dramatic lead changes, extra innings, a rain delay, and a historic ending. The Cubs won 8-7 in 10 innings, breaking their infamous 108-year championship drought.
Other contenders include:
Game 6 of the 1975 World Series (Red Sox vs. Reds): Carlton Fisk's iconic walk-off home run in the 12th inning pushed the series to a Game 7.
Game 7 of the 1960 World Series (Pirates vs. Yankees): This game ended with Bill Mazeroski’s walk-off home run, the only Game 7 walk-off homer in World Series history.
Game 5 of the 1956 World Series (Yankees vs. Dodgers): Don Larsen pitched the only perfect game in World Series history.
Each of these games has a claim to being the greatest depending on what criteria you value: history, drama, or individual performances.
Great talk today Dan !
I don’t know if it’s the greatest game but it’s gotta be the greatest stat line ever.
Congrats Goatani!!!!!! ⚾
Unbelievable season. When he does pitch again, I'd rather see him as a closer moving forward 50/50/50.
for the record shohei also has 34 doubles
34 doubles, 7 triples, twice as many intentional walks as Albert Belle, 1 more HR, and exactly the same number of total bases (377) as of posting. The problem with the doubles statistic is that all triples could also be doubles. That being said, Albert Belle was a beast in '95, he should have had a better legacy.
🐐🐐 Goat Talk
“That’s a day…… that’s a week for some people!” I laughed so hard at this 😄
To put this in perspective, according to Rich Eisen, the stats Shohei put up last night in one game nobody in baseball history has ever done it in an entire career
He might not steal 50 next season but one thing is sure in my mind that he is gonna steal a lot, his efficiency rate on steal is on an another level, a switch flipped in his head after the all star game. He has stolen 30SB is his last 57 games if i am not wrong.
He’s the best baseball player I’ve seen with my own eyes. Top 5 athlete I’ve seen
Break records on the best game ever played at that is quite unique. Poetry
Rather poor understanding of baseball to disparage Ohtani’s achievement because a lot of players have stolen a lot more than 50 bases in a season. 🙄There’s a reason only Ohtani is in 50-50 club, it’s because most base stealers are singles hitters, and the base stolen most often is second base, because at second you’re in scoring position and you avoid the hitter hitting into a double play, but when you get as many extra base hits as Ohtani, there aren’t as many chances to steal second.
$700 million turned out to be a GREAT deal for the LAD!
There's a difference between the greatest game in baseball history and the greatest individual performance. 20-4 is maybe the greatest rout in history, but probably not.
Randy Johnson's 20k performance is on the list. But great perforce for a hitter is Ohtani performance yesterday
Kerry Wood Striking out 20 on 122 pitches is insane to
@@nate9798 Wood's 20 k game is the most dominant start in baseball history. He was utterly untouchable and he was facing a completely stacked lineup
This was baseball's equivalent of Kobe's 81 point game.
Goat.
With Shohei, it’s not exit, it’s muzzle velocity. I’ve posted a few videos to prove that..
MVP !!!! Well deserved !!!!