Just a quick question regarding the dyno numbers. Do you know if that car has any other mods? Panic itbs definitely produce better numbers with bigger exhaust headers. I wonder what power that engine would be with stock manifold. Considering stock manifold is built very well Thanks for the video comparison 👌
I read there is a restriction in the stock exhaust manifold, where the pipes are joined on the inside. Can somebody confirm it? I read it can be corrected and it makes a difference.@@DoctoredGarage
How tall is the whole ITB assembly for the panic made? I bought a blacktop beams for my mr2 and I need to know firewall clearance. like from the flange to the velocity stack opening
From the panic adapter flange to the tip of the velocity stack - just under 6". Measuring straight out from the head to the tip of the stack - the furthest is about 7"
Thanks! I don't think it would. The adapter plate is specific to the blacktop beams intake/head. I'm not sure if there is a similar product for a non beams 3sge.
I bet a lot of the mid range torque loss is due to the longer stacks on the 4age ITBS. If you could figure out a way to lengthen the stacks on the panic throttles, you would bring back some of that torque in the midrange.
Correct but also incorrect , because one always refers to the throttle blade side size when measuring itbs, so the silvertops are 43mm and the blacktops are 45mm 🤙
What I found is that it depends on who you're talking to lol. The main takeaway that I hope everybody gets is that regardless of what/where you're measuring on the 4AGE ITBs - the panic made ones are larger.
@@DoctoredGarage Yeah, I don't know anyone either. I guess some people in Japan must be running them. Anyway thanks for the great content! Hoping to get an itb setup in the future.😁
To confirm, the 4ag throttles you have are silver top. The blacktop have an oblong port shape, the silver top are just round.
This is correct
Been waiting for this comparison video.. beams engines are the best kept "secret" in the JDM scene
sweet man my hatch is almost done got a silvertop in already just doing the wiring
Also the blacktop itbs have a divit in the ports on blacktop throttlee
Awesome comparison video! Panic does it right!
Just a quick question regarding the dyno numbers. Do you know if that car has any other mods?
Panic itbs definitely produce better numbers with bigger exhaust headers.
I wonder what power that engine would be with stock manifold. Considering stock manifold is built very well
Thanks for the video comparison 👌
Good question! This was with the stock exhaust manifold.
I read there is a restriction in the stock exhaust manifold, where the pipes are joined on the inside. Can somebody confirm it? I read it can be corrected and it makes a difference.@@DoctoredGarage
I've heard the same thing, but I haven't been able to confirm it.
How tall is the whole ITB assembly for the panic made? I bought a blacktop beams for my mr2 and I need to know firewall clearance.
like from the flange to the velocity stack opening
From the panic adapter flange to the tip of the velocity stack - just under 6". Measuring straight out from the head to the tip of the stack - the furthest is about 7"
@@DoctoredGarage thanks man! These should fit alright without having to cut a hole in my firewall. What options are there for filtration for these?
No prob! Open stacks ftw! Lol. Last I heard, Panic Made was working on a solution for filtration with them
the size is determined by the size of the actual throttle plate
Well, the Panics are 52mm. No idea what actual size the 4AGE ones are because they neck down ha
Ohhh i need
How would this work on a non beams 3sge in an sw20 1990? Thanks... great videos btw
Thanks! I don't think it would. The adapter plate is specific to the blacktop beams intake/head. I'm not sure if there is a similar product for a non beams 3sge.
hello I have this Panic ITB kit in my sw20, but on a Redtop beams (totally plug and play for this engine) but on a classic 3sge it will not work
Hey good day what part of the world are you I'm in Jamaica I have a question are you selling the ITB from the 4AGE
I'm in the USA, I'm not currently selling the 4AGE ITBs.
I bet a lot of the mid range torque loss is due to the longer stacks on the 4age ITBS. If you could figure out a way to lengthen the stacks on the panic throttles, you would bring back some of that torque in the midrange.
I've thought about that too. I don't know much about tuning velocity stack lengths, but it's something I've wanted to try.
@@DoctoredGarage basically, shorter = higher RPM torque peak
Panic is currently developing upgrade stacks + filter kit I believe!
If I remember correctly, silvertop are indeed 45mm.
Blacktop are 48mm.
Great video and review.
Thanks!
Correct but also incorrect , because one always refers to the throttle blade side size when measuring itbs, so the silvertops are 43mm and the blacktops are 45mm 🤙
What I found is that it depends on who you're talking to lol. The main takeaway that I hope everybody gets is that regardless of what/where you're measuring on the 4AGE ITBs - the panic made ones are larger.
@@ayyoob16v agreed.
What about the toda itbs?
That's a good question. They're so rare/expensive that I don't know if they're worth it. I haven't been able to find a single person that runs them.
@@DoctoredGarage Yeah, I don't know anyone either. I guess some people in Japan must be running them. Anyway thanks for the great content! Hoping to get an itb setup in the future.😁
same intro song as Zeke's channel 😂
Great minds think alike! What's Zeke's channel?
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