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Imagine your dying game has only one quality about it why people would be at least mildly interested to play your game, which is the skillbased action combat, and you decide to entirely remove any last bit of skill expression out of it to basically turn it into a bad Tab Target game. We all knew AGS is a trash studio for a long time now, but man do they still somehow manage to surprise everybody with how shit they are.
100%. Most people that have played New World really enjoy the combat, and I believe it's the ONLY reason why New World has 3k concurrent players currently. Had it not been for the excellent PVP combat, I don't think anybody would still be playing the game at all. So to see them destroy one of the only things that made the game good just blows me away.
@@KnockOut101inc This "refresh" of NW will die in around 4 months when people run out of the constant dopamine from early level ups, get to endgame and realize how poorly it's designed, implemented and how slow AGS is to do anything...
@@KnockOut101incthis game thrived off pvp and the devs never did anything for pvp they made the major changes to pve and that’s why there’s no one playing it. Now with silly tab targeting it’s put the nail in the coffin for pvp.
Target lock and tab target are two different things my friend, otherwise we should call tab target also the souls and Elden ring and it would be quite ridiculous to do so don't you think? That being said I agree that target lock should be removed in PvP
Target lock is fine for casual players. But target switch or movement or whatever it is, it has to be removed. If not, dodging makes no sense anymore. But we all know AGS 😊 they can make things worse even it means to eliminate the best part of this game: skill based Action combat😢
@@KnockOut101inc why so sure about what I’m going to do? This was literally my all time favorite mmo before they abandoned their playerbase . I don’t see how target lock is the thing that’s saving new world. Cross play, new player experience revamp, population, and stuff like that is. I play with a lot of people who use controller including atlas mentioned in this video and they do just fine. But as Duke said, I’m hoping the player lock is toned down :)
@@KnockOut101inc why are you seem upset assuming I wasn’t coming back and all caps at me? Are you ok? What about me not preferring target lock in PvP has you passionately upset? I’m here if you need anyone to talk to. It’s just an opinion my friend. Oh nevermind. I see that you’re spamming Dukes comments section. I thought I was special. Carry on
Target lock isint a big deal at all when you realize it does not account for balistics. Its always right on target, so if you move even sightly it misses. Oh, and musket isint hitscan since a long time ago. So you need to lead shots with that aswell. In other words, target lock is useless in comparison to manual aiming. But its free content to be salty over.
Another disadvantage to note is more situational but is that sometimes you can lose sight from the enemies, specially with trees and bushes and this is just like a wallhack as well, or if you're hidden to heal, they just insta lock on you... such a dumb feature to have in any game.
@@KnockOut101inc Yei, what a fun way to play, no aim, just insta lock... sure mate, I'm super excited to play with insta lock against insta lock players, what a fun way to play this type of Rpg... go to your auto aim mmos if that's your style, but that's not how most of us want to play NW
Imagine walking around irl with a booger hanging out of your nose and someone tells you about it and you decide fuck it I wanna walk around with a booger hanging out of my nose. Thats AGS in a nutshell.
I hate this whole aim lock as much as the next person, but saying that it wouldn't benefit the health of the game is a bit of an interesting take. After all, the numbers don't lie, and the game isn't really played by that many people anymore. Trying to bridge the gap and get more casuals in seems to be the whole purpose of this Aternum "re-release". So having a full-on aim lock kind of makes sense if you look it from that point of view.
@@xbotLife That's fine The Attitute of alot of PvEers is what is my issue. New World was supposed to be a full PvP game, PvEers came in during playtests complained and it got changed to optin PvP Wich led to alot of Systems that where planned around the open PvP to get scrapped. Now the same Players that complained have the audacity to tell PvPers to play another game if they don't like it. The right thing to do would be even if you yourself don't care to tell ASG hey Aimlock has to go in PvP instead of saying "I don't care kill it"
I'm shocked people are surprised. AGS ruins things at every chance they get. Upper management do everything possible to ruin their own game, not the actual people working on the game. I'm sure they'll get a big bonus too.
At first I was thinking about giving New World Aeternum a chance, afterall the game does have a lot of good things going on. But with that aim lock...that is a hard nope for me
Every pc player before this beta "console players are going to get destroyed" they add lock on that takes the keyboard and mouse advantage away and the pc players cry a storm.
@@bluntsnbrews420 not only that, but they’re acting as if they are NOT getting the aim lock too 😂 pc players and console players have the same exact advantages and they’re just crying over everything
Rapier was BUSTED strong in the beta, I wish I had recorded some clips. I ran Rapier/IG light and I could literally trade with heavy melee and win easily. Full offensive (Flurry/Flourish & Finish/Fleche) was near unbeatable. You have grit abilities that stagger the enemy, and with the dodge/stamina lock (bug?) you could just mow enemies down. Flourish & Finish actually becomes both a finisher ability AND a movement ability, it just warps you around. Needs to be tuned down quite a bit before release. I was able to get 10+ kills multiple times in arena, I could even 3v1 with offensive rapier, it was silly.
One time in Arena I used Leaping Strike locked on a low target, they died and it snapped onto an enemy 2m+ to the left of me AND HIT HIM, no way that would have been possible with inputs.
@@KnockOut101inc it's so funny that someone that's replying with a copy paste to everyone tells you to grow up... If you liked so much elden ring go play Elden Ring, but it's clear that you depend on target lock to hit a shot
@KnockOut101inc elder ring pvp is nothing close to new world combat. New world combat is wayyyy harder and better too. Just go and look at eidorian playing bow and you will see the combat.
What I don't understand is how the devs just don't see these things themselves ? Or perhaps they're totally satisfied with this mechanic ? That's even more concerning to me
forget it man, we tried the same so they can improve the pvp with some new map, thats was before the servers were dying, AGS dont care, they basically do thing like they want without listen their most loyal players. And now you see the results, game is death
That kinda makes the game all about skill rotations more than targeting, which can be good, if everything was like balanced lol, but some skills are very deadly if they are always going to hit 100% of the time
A more soft lock system would be much better. I will miss the days of doing 360 jumpshots and shooting sns guys out of the air when the bow got its first major buff.
The clip you showed from the 3v3 is wild and shouldn't be happening but from playing the Beta I've def missed a couple shots relying on the aimlock so long as the target is moving
It depends on the weapon. Hit scan weapons like blunderbuss just don't miss. Musket isn't hit scan but the projectile speed is very fast so you still hit most of the time. Bow will hit less often.
Yeah like I said, with Bow and Musket at longer ranges you definitely still miss shots because aimlock doesn't lead. Basically the closer the target is, the worse the impact of aimlock, particularly on melee weapons and BB!
So the most fun about Nw is pvp and now it's getting ruined? I really don't understand the need of target lock even for console, they've been doing fine in lots of 3rd person shooters with just aim assist...
@@KnockOut101inc If you had 3k hours in pvp and know how balancing works, you would'nt have to ask, and did you see the video? the exact reason most of the pvp player based is worried... makes no sense to defend aimbot
You know what I would like to know? Who SPECIFICALLY had the idea to target lock. Like, I know a lot of people probably protested as the idea was first being thrown out, but who thought this would be a good idea? I would love to talk to that person, man. And not even in a "I'd beat them up" kind of way, just to understand what goes on in their mind. This is THE stupidest decision I've ever seen in any game ever. It makes me question everything, I don't understand how someone can make such a decision.
The controller also has a larger hitbox than M&K with range weapons like the bow. If I shoot just past the opponent with the mouse, the shot misses and with the controller it hits in the same position
If they're going down this route definitely they NEED to provide MORE abilities and skills to each class, and gear. More specifically defensive cooldowns. Take WoW for example, it is a tab target game and basically has aim lock as well, but it's the defensive cooldowns that help separate and mitigate these issues.
@@KnockOut101inc 10x the current players... let that sink in. Why do you think that is? Could it be because PC players wanted to see if AGS had done any of the other things they had been promising since October 23? Could it be to see if any of the bugs (that are still in the demo/beta) were fixed? Could it be that they wanted to see if somehow AGS managed to do any of the things they roadmapped 2x in the last year? Pfft screw that we got aim bot and class selection wow what a winner!
@@KnockOut101inc ILL TYPE IN CAPS SO YOU DONT HAVE TO SCREAM ALONE! OVERWHELMING POSITIVE! YOU NEED TO CHECK THE FORUMS LIL BRO. THE GAME IS STILL THE SAME GAME IT WAS 2 YEARS AGO(YEA ITS 3 YEARS OLD I GAVE IT THE FIRST YEAR WHEN AGS TRIED). SAME BUGS, SAME COMBAT GLITCHES, SAME OLD AGS. BUT YOU ENJOY THE CASH GRAB AND THE RUG PULL IN A YEAR OR SO.
Damn that target lock kills the best part of the game. I played the beta on my console and played just fine with out it it's not needed at all. The biggest problem with new world was the lack of end game content now the game plays for you as well.
That was my original point in my last video. But close range and melee effectively benefits from aimlock more than ranged does, since it's near impossible to miss abilities at close range, no matter how hard the enemy jukes.
@@KnockOut101incI really hope you're an employee or someone AGS is paying somehow. To have the dick of a company who gives 0 shits about you, so far down you throat, while not being paid. Would be absolutely CRAZY lmao
@@DblTapSlapMcGap AGS has a history of not taking feedback into consideration when countless bugs/issues have come up in their test realms, weeks before the updates were released on their regular servers. Very few issues that were reported were fixed by the time the updates came out if any were fixed at all. I would assume they will ignore most of the feedback on this and do whatever they were planning to do in the first place. Hopefully, DukeSloth is right that they were just using target locking to make aim assist not look so bad.
As a console player i can say without a doubt that lock on needs to go in pvp. Im new to NW and was rocking hatchet and bow in the beta. I can confidently say that the aim assist is more than sufficient for ranged in pvp. I never used lock once and had no issue hitting my bow shots. If anything the AA could be dialed back just a bit. I have a heavy background in souls games so the PVP felt very natural to me. There is target lock in souls games as well but not to this ridiculous degree. Ranged attacks can easily miss in those games. I had a freaking blast in the beta and would hate to see this muddy a second chance for NW. I want this game to have a large community again bc i fully intend on playing it at launch.
Second hand info but I saw on reddit that apparently AGS are "aware" of the feedback on this but also the stagger issue you mentioned. I'm not even sure that stagger thing is intended? The problem with the beta launch is there were no patch notes published, so who knows? I seriously doubt the game will launch with this lock for PVP. I'm sorry but not even competitive console FPS games have this feature and they, at best, have aim assist and as much as we all love to think NW's combat is super twitchy and skillful, it's nothing like FPS games when it comes to the demands of aiming. The negative reaction is warranted. I seriously doubt AGS will ignore it. There's been almost no positive support for it (except the odd one and I'm 80% sure they're just PC players who love using it anyway). And it is absolutely true that the lock makes melee so unbelievably oppressive now. It already had some auto aim! And there are no actual downsides, when you get used to using it. I tried it a lot and sure... it gimps your movement if you stay locked all the time. But the key that locks on is a toggle. You just get used to toggling it off when you need to, it's trivial muscle memory.
I don't think most of the PC players are against some form of aim assist. This current form of target lock is essentially an aim bot. There are a significant number of posts on the discord forum requesting the target lock be removed and there are a few rather vocal pro target lock players arguing for keeping the system. I think aim assist is fine, but the current implementation will absolutely destroy pvp.
If this level of target lock ends up staying post launch, Mjolnir might be ridiculous. Never miss a mighty gavel. Combine with maybe sword and shield for small scale pvp for a gap closer and more cc
i just want to ask why do we need aim assist in a action combat mmo? especially in pvp i doubt i can refund the game but i am certain i didnt buy a tab target game. Also the gear score increase is pointless prove me wrong if i mistaken but it prevents older ppl to return and annoys the ppl who already got their gear the only ones AGS are appealing those wierd ppl who want to be on the same level gearwise as the vets.
@@MaleOreo because if they added aim lock to console only that would be hugely unfair to pc players. If they didn’t add aimlock console players would get wrecked. Only real viable solution was to add it for both player bases and give everyone the same advantages.
i swear this makes me think that hackers like koeksalbaba who didnt get banned for over a year werent actually hackers but ags trying out this aimlock (aimbot) feature.
It shouldn't be target lock; it should be aim assist like in Halo or COD. The reticle should have a slight magnetism towards enemies, not a full lock-on like an aimbot. It feels like Amazon is trying to kill New World.
I believe many people aware of that CoD is also controller FPS game. The reason for that is of course aim assist (Not aim lock). And they earn quite a lot money from that. That game has huge amount of controller players. I understand if they also want to make New World a controller game. Aim assist is a "must" for controller players. Otherwise, they will not have fun at all. However, aim lock & target switch is another level. That thing takes away the best feature of this game. The only thing that makes this MMO different than others: SKILL BASED COMBAT. Aim lock & target switch is basically TAB targeting and many MMOs are like that already. But they are not as fun as this game. I believe everyone would agree with that. Considering many people quit the game even when it has the best combat system, what do you think is gonna happen if you take it away? Especially PvP oriented players will not be happy about that. We all wanted more PvP content, less bugs. I believe 80% of the players quit the game because of this. Why do you want to introduce something like this? They could also say that "hey, we have aim assist (in fact it is aim lock), but we are going to do some adjustment in the future. They don't even say that because they want to sell the game to more console players. CoD is an old FPS game. They also did adjustments with aim assist. I only hope they would do the same in the future. I am pretty sure noone would be upset because of aim assist. But everyone would be upset because of target lock & switch.
Does it surprise you? They somehow made this fun action combat years ago by accident, and the current dev team has no idea how to improve upon it or expand it. I am pretty sure that is why they will never make a new OPR map again. It's like the lead PVP vanished and you have these amatuers running everything. Remember how dev Katy said most of their players don't PVP? The entire dev team considers it irrelevant. They want to sell the level 1-20 single experience to console players, get their cash, then dump the game and focus on LOTRO. New World is reborn just to die all over again.
Not even Skyrim has this feature and it’s not even online! What online game REALLY has this as an actual feature? None. NOT having this feature is what made the game great …
i agree, if they could just make it aim assist and not target lock i think that would be fine. a weak aim assist for controller players is expected to stay competitive with mouse an keyboard. as it is though it feels terrible, takes so much of the skill out of the game.
Thinking that AGS will listen to feedback and re tune this is kinda a joke. It's almost 99.99% the build for Oct. AGS lied when they said there wouldn't be aim assist in PVP. Just like they've lied about a ton of other things. It's so crazy to me how this cash grab of a relaunch is going to reward these devs / management team. I really didn't want to see a redemption arc for a group that screwed us over as bad as they did.
yeah i was gunna get this because i liked the ACTION COMBAT back when i played it before, but now its just tab target. if i wanted a tab target game id play some WoW ...
Why did I move from ESO to NW? Because of the tactical combat. And now they will implement aim assist? Why kill exactly what is fun in NW? Why they just don't rename it to AFK-New World. The game plays alone while you're on the work.
Auto-lock has no place in skill-based combat. You know, there's something to be said about that moment during pvp or a duel when you swing... and miss. You know you've got improvements to make. You know there are things you can learn and practice. Auto-aim kills all of this.
The game is finished. I knew they would not be able to hold back once they talked about adding aim assist. New World pvp was special and at least to me interesting, because of the aiming/skillshot requirement.... as soon as they talked about aim assist I lost all interest in ever going back and giving NW another chance. It's dead to me unless they somehow wake up and completely remove aim assist from PVP as they initially had promised (a promise I knew they'd break, but I was hoping they wouldn't...)
In efforts to assist the more casual players they have essentially implemented a built in aimbot. AGS has to be trolling...right?! Literally, they are the worst devs in existence at this point... This will end up killing the game even faster. Discord will be full of threads of angry people asking for a revert, AGS will consider it, watch player counts fall to abysmal levels, then realize, wait, we should probably fix this, by then it will be too late...history repeats itself. Tried to warn you people...
I never thought that my 4000hrs invested in this game, mainly in PVP, will get ruined by AGS just like that.. When this game came out I really thought its one of the best PVP games out, the PVP mechanic was great and was needed just a little tweaks here and there to make it perfect. This is the outcome of not listening to your community. How can you be so stupid to literally implement a hack in a PVP game and expect players to come back. After 3 years of development the game is worse than in first day of release, it's just blows my mind...
@@KnockOut101inc did you even watch the video lil bro? Trick was killing people BLIND FOLDED thats how easy it is....and please "optional" as if ppl are going to choose to MISS hits...and I was extremely hyped for them to update the game after 9 months...but yet again its a MASSIVE L
I was planning to come back after 2 years but not anymore. 1vX pvp will be basically impossible. All skill is removed and if 2 or more people lock onto you with a ranged weapon then I dont see how you could possibly win
Yup I’m happy they did this just proves my point they don’t play the game they don’t care about the community the people that stuck around always said nw combat was the only reason they stick around. Now I haven one less game to worry about to many good games out. I’m not gonna touch another Amazon title again lost ark failed new world failing don’t trust them enough to try out throne should’ve listened to my old gw 2 guild mates they said don’t touch anything with Amazon in it when nw first came out now look where we at.
So they making sure ppl with no skill have a change to kill someone with skill and enjoy the game as much? The pvp is in this game does have a big skill gap and the devs want NEW players to join and stay I think this is a way for them to keep them in the game.
Valorant on console has aim slowdown not aim assist. It works. They don’t have to go nuclear on this game to balance it out. They are ruining the combat COMPLETELY
I really think these changes are good and we are missing the point hyper focusing in "how my skills will matter less". The point here is changing the game for console/controlers... It will be better just accept that as a fact...
@@DblTapSlapMcGap I didnt say it is, I said it is better to accept that as if it is... and move on... but everyone can keep complaining... ofc they will change everything they planned to do with the console launch because of it.... sure.
Cross play has ruined pc gaming. I thought it was good at first, but they always over tune the handicap needed. AIM assist breaks games. I have rooted for this game since day 1 but decisions made for this game have killed it. Seams it will continue to be that way.
SnS was almost already doing this in the live game bc tracking was so strong. The game has been absolutely destroyed since s5 combat code release. Instead of realizing their mistakes they’re doubling down on just making it worse.
Aim assist is good until long range and then you need to cancel it and lead shots. Or if there is mass lag even at medium range and have had happen point blank target lock makes you miss every attack. During the beta I’ve had target lock point blank but flame thrower didn’t connect on single time with a dude doing a circle around me due to lag.
@@KnockOut101inc facts like yes target lock can be great, especially for new and casual players but to say it’s broke because a literal new player with a bow didn’t even attempt to kite and honestly has probably never done pvp in his life based on what he was doing bs a streamer and lost is crazy to me. It can be good when there is zero lag and close to medium range. But new world pvp with mass people has and always will have lag with medium range to long range and a strafing target. Good luck lol!
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Imagine your dying game has only one quality about it why people would be at least mildly interested to play your game, which is the skillbased action combat, and you decide to entirely remove any last bit of skill expression out of it to basically turn it into a bad Tab Target game. We all knew AGS is a trash studio for a long time now, but man do they still somehow manage to surprise everybody with how shit they are.
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idk what kinda delulu pit your in but the main draw for new world is NOT skill based action combat ._.
@@SaltyPikachuYOU’RE*^ farmed
100%. Most people that have played New World really enjoy the combat, and I believe it's the ONLY reason why New World has 3k concurrent players currently. Had it not been for the excellent PVP combat, I don't think anybody would still be playing the game at all. So to see them destroy one of the only things that made the game good just blows me away.
@@KnockOut101inc This "refresh" of NW will die in around 4 months when people run out of the constant dopamine from early level ups, get to endgame and realize how poorly it's designed, implemented and how slow AGS is to do anything...
Any time I get remotely excited about this update I think about target lock and the excitement goes away
Same... If this stays in, I will not be playing.
@@KnockOut101incI agree with you
@@MattyPrime187 you should have posted twice. Now I'm unsure which comment you agreed with
It literally makes pvp unplayable
@@KnockOut101incthis game thrived off pvp and the devs never did anything for pvp they made the major changes to pve and that’s why there’s no one playing it. Now with silly tab targeting it’s put the nail in the coffin for pvp.
Funny the best functionnality of nw was the action combat, and they change it to tab target. It's so funny how out of touch they are im laughing
Target lock and tab target are two different things my friend, otherwise we should call tab target also the souls and Elden ring and it would be quite ridiculous to do so don't you think? That being said I agree that target lock should be removed in PvP
How much were you laughing and was your typing wpm affected?
@@conancimmerian5066 I laughed before and I'll continue laughing afterwards.
@@prasinoz3 I'm pleased to know your wpm was unphased. What mmorpg are you currently playing with action combat eso or bdo?
Target lock is fine for casual players. But target switch or movement or whatever it is, it has to be removed. If not, dodging makes no sense anymore. But we all know AGS 😊 they can make things worse even it means to eliminate the best part of this game: skill based Action combat😢
1:50 I was considering returning until I saw this target locking in PvP occurred 😢
@@KnockOut101inc why so sure about what I’m going to do? This was literally my all time favorite mmo before they abandoned their playerbase . I don’t see how target lock is the thing that’s saving new world. Cross play, new player experience revamp, population, and stuff like that is. I play with a lot of people who use controller including atlas mentioned in this video and they do just fine. But as Duke said, I’m hoping the player lock is toned down :)
@@KnockOut101inc why are you seem upset assuming I wasn’t coming back and all caps at me? Are you ok? What about me not preferring target lock in PvP has you passionately upset? I’m here if you need anyone to talk to. It’s just an opinion my friend.
Oh nevermind. I see that you’re spamming Dukes comments section. I thought I was special. Carry on
Same :(
Target lock isint a big deal at all when you realize it does not account for balistics. Its always right on target, so if you move even sightly it misses.
Oh, and musket isint hitscan since a long time ago. So you need to lead shots with that aswell.
In other words, target lock is useless in comparison to manual aiming. But its free content to be salty over.
Its working On pc or not?
Target lock has broken the last good part of NW, the PvP combat. RIP NW.
Another disadvantage to note is more situational but is that sometimes you can lose sight from the enemies, specially with trees and bushes and this is just like a wallhack as well, or if you're hidden to heal, they just insta lock on you... such a dumb feature to have in any game.
@@KnockOut101inc Yei, what a fun way to play, no aim, just insta lock... sure mate, I'm super excited to play with insta lock against insta lock players, what a fun way to play this type of Rpg... go to your auto aim mmos if that's your style, but that's not how most of us want to play NW
It means the bots could fight you now.
This is terrifying yet hilarious. Bots farming mobs just became so easy, too
Imagine walking around irl with a booger hanging out of your nose and someone tells you about it and you decide fuck it I wanna walk around with a booger hanging out of my nose. Thats AGS in a nutshell.
@@KnockOut101inc Not sure what u mean I still play the game to this day, But, I'll always call out the Devs for poor decisions.
I hate this whole aim lock as much as the next person, but saying that it wouldn't benefit the health of the game is a bit of an interesting take. After all, the numbers don't lie, and the game isn't really played by that many people anymore. Trying to bridge the gap and get more casuals in seems to be the whole purpose of this Aternum "re-release". So having a full-on aim lock kind of makes sense if you look it from that point of view.
if they not gonna remove the aimlock on pvp they killing the pvp
I could care less about PVP in this game so kill it
@@xbotLife No one asked
@@xbotLife PvP is the only reason to play the game
@@Mischowski not for me. The pvp sucks ass.
@@xbotLife
That's fine
The Attitute of alot of PvEers is what is my issue.
New World was supposed to be a full PvP game,
PvEers came in during playtests complained and it got changed to optin PvP
Wich led to alot of Systems that where planned around the open PvP to get scrapped.
Now the same Players that complained have the audacity to tell PvPers to play another game if they don't like it.
The right thing to do would be even if you yourself don't care to tell ASG hey Aimlock has to go in PvP
instead of saying "I don't care kill it"
I'm shocked people are surprised. AGS ruins things at every chance they get. Upper management do everything possible to ruin their own game, not the actual people working on the game. I'm sure they'll get a big bonus too.
I personally don’t think it’s a big deal if everyone has access to it isn’t that the definition of fair ?
I can’t believe this is happening… this fucking blows
@@KnockOut101inc cope more
At first I was thinking about giving New World Aeternum a chance, afterall the game does have a lot of good things going on. But with that aim lock...that is a hard nope for me
Amazon didn’t convince me to come back yet. The only good thing about new world was the combat and now not even that. I’ll stick to other games
Every pc player before this beta "console players are going to get destroyed" they add lock on that takes the keyboard and mouse advantage away and the pc players cry a storm.
@@bluntsnbrews420 not only that, but they’re acting as if they are NOT getting the aim lock too 😂 pc players and console players have the same exact advantages and they’re just crying over everything
@@brandonlopez4491 They also act like they HAVE to use aim lock.
Nah, it's an issue with skill. This isn't about platform wars, pull your head out of your ass.
I would have no issue with target locking if they only kept it for PVE and it didn't work in PVP
Rapier was BUSTED strong in the beta, I wish I had recorded some clips. I ran Rapier/IG light and I could literally trade with heavy melee and win easily. Full offensive (Flurry/Flourish & Finish/Fleche) was near unbeatable. You have grit abilities that stagger the enemy, and with the dodge/stamina lock (bug?) you could just mow enemies down. Flourish & Finish actually becomes both a finisher ability AND a movement ability, it just warps you around. Needs to be tuned down quite a bit before release. I was able to get 10+ kills multiple times in arena, I could even 3v1 with offensive rapier, it was silly.
One time in Arena I used Leaping Strike locked on a low target, they died and it snapped onto an enemy 2m+ to the left of me AND HIT HIM, no way that would have been possible with inputs.
I don’t know many ARPG’s that have tab-target mechanics, except solo-play games.
AGS still doesn’t know what it wants to be when it grows up.
throne & liberty maybe has that...i saw something like that
@@KnockOut101inc it's so funny that someone that's replying with a copy paste to everyone tells you to grow up...
If you liked so much elden ring go play Elden Ring, but it's clear that you depend on target lock to hit a shot
@@KnockOut101inc nope, never played Elden ring. Have other examples of arpgs that are multiplayer-based online games with target lock?
This is not target lock this is tab target. RIP PvP if they not change weapon abilities. Melee need more gap closer.
PLEASE AGS REMOVE TARGET LOCK IN PVP THANKS
@KnockOut101inc elder ring pvp is nothing close to new world combat. New world combat is wayyyy harder and better too. Just go and look at eidorian playing bow and you will see the combat.
It should be Aim assist like in Halo.
Git gud
What I don't understand is how the devs just don't see these things themselves ? Or perhaps they're totally satisfied with this mechanic ? That's even more concerning to me
We consoles players wer not bonobos we dont need that kind of help ...
So it's not an action combat game anymore?
Guys we all need to go to their social media and massively complain about it. The only way to have a chance to change this.
Amazon is done with the pc players. They are focusing on their new audience, which are the console players.
forget it man, we tried the same so they can improve the pvp with some new map, thats was before the servers were dying, AGS dont care, they basically do thing like they want without listen their most loyal players. And now you see the results, game is death
That kinda makes the game all about skill rotations more than targeting, which can be good, if everything was like balanced lol, but some skills are very deadly if they are always going to hit 100% of the time
A more soft lock system would be much better. I will miss the days of doing 360 jumpshots and shooting sns guys out of the air when the bow got its first major buff.
The clip you showed from the 3v3 is wild and shouldn't be happening but from playing the Beta I've def missed a couple shots relying on the aimlock so long as the target is moving
It depends on the weapon. Hit scan weapons like blunderbuss just don't miss. Musket isn't hit scan but the projectile speed is very fast so you still hit most of the time. Bow will hit less often.
Yeah like I said, with Bow and Musket at longer ranges you definitely still miss shots because aimlock doesn't lead. Basically the closer the target is, the worse the impact of aimlock, particularly on melee weapons and BB!
So the most fun about Nw is pvp and now it's getting ruined?
I really don't understand the need of target lock even for console, they've been doing fine in lots of 3rd person shooters with just aim assist...
The development team of this game are just a group of idiots
@@KnockOut101inc If you had 3k hours in pvp and know how balancing works, you would'nt have to ask, and did you see the video? the exact reason most of the pvp player based is worried... makes no sense to defend aimbot
@@KnockOut101incYou don't have to win in PVP you can just lose out of principle.... Since pvp isn't competitive.
You know what I would like to know? Who SPECIFICALLY had the idea to target lock. Like, I know a lot of people probably protested as the idea was first being thrown out, but who thought this would be a good idea? I would love to talk to that person, man. And not even in a "I'd beat them up" kind of way, just to understand what goes on in their mind. This is THE stupidest decision I've ever seen in any game ever. It makes me question everything, I don't understand how someone can make such a decision.
The same person who is behind many other bad decisions. Whoever it is, should not be allowed to make any project decisions at all.
the hatchet tracking with target lock is insane
The controller also has a larger hitbox than M&K with range weapons like the bow. If I shoot just past the opponent with the mouse, the shot misses and with the controller it hits in the same position
The one thing you can count on with AGS is that they can always manage to make things worse.
If they're going down this route definitely they NEED to provide MORE abilities and skills to each class, and gear. More specifically defensive cooldowns. Take WoW for example, it is a tab target game and basically has aim lock as well, but it's the defensive cooldowns that help separate and mitigate these issues.
was looking forward to playing again with the new update but now yeah no desire to come back
be careful! those that played a 3 day Demo will swarm telling you how much you don't know since they played the demo and it was great!
@@KnockOut101inc 10x the current players... let that sink in. Why do you think that is? Could it be because PC players wanted to see if AGS had done any of the other things they had been promising since October 23? Could it be to see if any of the bugs (that are still in the demo/beta) were fixed? Could it be that they wanted to see if somehow AGS managed to do any of the things they roadmapped 2x in the last year? Pfft screw that we got aim bot and class selection wow what a winner!
@@KnockOut101inc You're wrong and should feel wrong.
@@KnockOut101inc ILL TYPE IN CAPS SO YOU DONT HAVE TO SCREAM ALONE! OVERWHELMING POSITIVE! YOU NEED TO CHECK THE FORUMS LIL BRO. THE GAME IS STILL THE SAME GAME IT WAS 2 YEARS AGO(YEA ITS 3 YEARS OLD I GAVE IT THE FIRST YEAR WHEN AGS TRIED). SAME BUGS, SAME COMBAT GLITCHES, SAME OLD AGS. BUT YOU ENJOY THE CASH GRAB AND THE RUG PULL IN A YEAR OR SO.
Damn that target lock kills the best part of the game. I played the beta on my console and played just fine with out it it's not needed at all. The biggest problem with new world was the lack of end game content now the game plays for you as well.
They don't care about the PC players. This is meant to now be a casual, action RPG where PVP is an afterthought. It's over guys; time to move on.
Melee has improved stagger effects countering ranged auto lock. The emphasis is staggers and dodge, avoid not doing damage.
That was my original point in my last video. But close range and melee effectively benefits from aimlock more than ranged does, since it's near impossible to miss abilities at close range, no matter how hard the enemy jukes.
They wont adjust this and its how its going to be btw
Where does it say that?
@@KnockOut101incI really hope you're an employee or someone AGS is paying somehow. To have the dick of a company who gives 0 shits about you, so far down you throat, while not being paid. Would be absolutely CRAZY lmao
@@DblTapSlapMcGap nowhere i just know it
@@DblTapSlapMcGap AGS has a history of not taking feedback into consideration when countless bugs/issues have come up in their test realms, weeks before the updates were released on their regular servers. Very few issues that were reported were fixed by the time the updates came out if any were fixed at all. I would assume they will ignore most of the feedback on this and do whatever they were planning to do in the first place. Hopefully, DukeSloth is right that they were just using target locking to make aim assist not look so bad.
Yeah I'm not sure how I feel about them turning this into, essentially, a tab targeting mmo.
As a console player i can say without a doubt that lock on needs to go in pvp. Im new to NW and was rocking hatchet and bow in the beta. I can confidently say that the aim assist is more than sufficient for ranged in pvp. I never used lock once and had no issue hitting my bow shots. If anything the AA could be dialed back just a bit. I have a heavy background in souls games so the PVP felt very natural to me. There is target lock in souls games as well but not to this ridiculous degree. Ranged attacks can easily miss in those games. I had a freaking blast in the beta and would hate to see this muddy a second chance for NW. I want this game to have a large community again bc i fully intend on playing it at launch.
Second hand info but I saw on reddit that apparently AGS are "aware" of the feedback on this but also the stagger issue you mentioned. I'm not even sure that stagger thing is intended?
The problem with the beta launch is there were no patch notes published, so who knows?
I seriously doubt the game will launch with this lock for PVP. I'm sorry but not even competitive console FPS games have this feature and they, at best, have aim assist and as much as we all love to think NW's combat is super twitchy and skillful, it's nothing like FPS games when it comes to the demands of aiming. The negative reaction is warranted. I seriously doubt AGS will ignore it. There's been almost no positive support for it (except the odd one and I'm 80% sure they're just PC players who love using it anyway).
And it is absolutely true that the lock makes melee so unbelievably oppressive now. It already had some auto aim!
And there are no actual downsides, when you get used to using it. I tried it a lot and sure... it gimps your movement if you stay locked all the time. But the key that locks on is a toggle. You just get used to toggling it off when you need to, it's trivial muscle memory.
I don't think most of the PC players are against some form of aim assist. This current form of target lock is essentially an aim bot. There are a significant number of posts on the discord forum requesting the target lock be removed and there are a few rather vocal pro target lock players arguing for keeping the system. I think aim assist is fine, but the current implementation will absolutely destroy pvp.
If this level of target lock ends up staying post launch, Mjolnir might be ridiculous. Never miss a mighty gavel. Combine with maybe sword and shield for small scale pvp for a gap closer and more cc
I saw it too in the beta, it looked like target lock is really broken, making weapons like blunderbuss far more lethal. Thumbs up.
I refuse to use aim lock... just going to unbind it all together!
i just want to ask why do we need aim assist in a action combat mmo? especially in pvp i doubt i can refund the game but i am certain i didnt buy a tab target game. Also the gear score increase is pointless prove me wrong if i mistaken but it prevents older ppl to return and annoys the ppl who already got their gear the only ones AGS are appealing those wierd ppl who want to be on the same level gearwise as the vets.
Controller needs aim assist not aimlock also why tf is it an option on kbm.
@@MaleOreo because if they added aim lock to console only that would be hugely unfair to pc players. If they didn’t add aimlock console players would get wrecked. Only real viable solution was to add it for both player bases and give everyone the same advantages.
I feel like I'm the only one completely unbothered by this.
i swear this makes me think that hackers like koeksalbaba who didnt get banned for over a year werent actually hackers but ags trying out this aimlock (aimbot) feature.
AGS stabbed themselves on launch and are now pulling the knife out
It shouldn't be target lock; it should be aim assist like in Halo or COD. The reticle should have a slight magnetism towards enemies, not a full lock-on like an aimbot. It feels like Amazon is trying to kill New World.
I believe many people aware of that CoD is also controller FPS game. The reason for that is of course aim assist (Not aim lock). And they earn quite a lot money from that. That game has huge amount of controller players. I understand if they also want to make New World a controller game. Aim assist is a "must" for controller players. Otherwise, they will not have fun at all. However, aim lock & target switch is another level. That thing takes away the best feature of this game. The only thing that makes this MMO different than others: SKILL BASED COMBAT. Aim lock & target switch is basically TAB targeting and many MMOs are like that already. But they are not as fun as this game. I believe everyone would agree with that. Considering many people quit the game even when it has the best combat system, what do you think is gonna happen if you take it away? Especially PvP oriented players will not be happy about that.
We all wanted more PvP content, less bugs. I believe 80% of the players quit the game because of this. Why do you want to introduce something like this? They could also say that "hey, we have aim assist (in fact it is aim lock), but we are going to do some adjustment in the future. They don't even say that because they want to sell the game to more console players. CoD is an old FPS game. They also did adjustments with aim assist. I only hope they would do the same in the future. I am pretty sure noone would be upset because of aim assist. But everyone would be upset because of target lock & switch.
They could just copy + paste the way that target lock and ability tracking in elden ring works and itd be fine
Does it surprise you? They somehow made this fun action combat years ago by accident, and the current dev team has no idea how to improve upon it or expand it. I am pretty sure that is why they will never make a new OPR map again. It's like the lead PVP vanished and you have these amatuers running everything. Remember how dev Katy said most of their players don't PVP? The entire dev team considers it irrelevant. They want to sell the level 1-20 single experience to console players, get their cash, then dump the game and focus on LOTRO. New World is reborn just to die all over again.
Not even Skyrim has this feature and it’s not even online! What online game REALLY has this as an actual feature? None. NOT having this feature is what made the game great …
i agree, if they could just make it aim assist and not target lock i think that would be fine. a weak aim assist for controller players is expected to stay competitive with mouse an keyboard. as it is though it feels terrible, takes so much of the skill out of the game.
Thinking that AGS will listen to feedback and re tune this is kinda a joke. It's almost 99.99% the build for Oct. AGS lied when they said there wouldn't be aim assist in PVP. Just like they've lied about a ton of other things.
It's so crazy to me how this cash grab of a relaunch is going to reward these devs / management team. I really didn't want to see a redemption arc for a group that screwed us over as bad as they did.
yeah i was gunna get this because i liked the ACTION COMBAT back when i played it before, but now its just tab target. if i wanted a tab target game id play some WoW ...
Why did I move from ESO to NW? Because of the tactical combat. And now they will implement aim assist? Why kill exactly what is fun in NW? Why they just don't rename it to AFK-New World. The game plays alone while you're on the work.
@@MarcosPic1982 then don’t use it?
Auto-lock has no place in skill-based combat. You know, there's something to be said about that moment during pvp or a duel when you swing... and miss. You know you've got improvements to make. You know there are things you can learn and practice. Auto-aim kills all of this.
The game is finished. I knew they would not be able to hold back once they talked about adding aim assist.
New World pvp was special and at least to me interesting, because of the aiming/skillshot requirement.... as soon as they talked about aim assist I lost all interest in ever going back and giving NW another chance. It's dead to me unless they somehow wake up and completely remove aim assist from PVP as they initially had promised (a promise I knew they'd break, but I was hoping they wouldn't...)
i wanted to come back but than i heard about the target lock and saw it and now i am contemplating to not come back.
killing skill based action combat is so crazy
the one thing the game has better than other games and they're dropping it
lols
do we know yet if aim lock was intended for pvp or is it a bug? its in the live game already for pve only i was thinking this was a bug being in pvp
In efforts to assist the more casual players they have essentially implemented a built in aimbot. AGS has to be trolling...right?!
Literally, they are the worst devs in existence at this point...
This will end up killing the game even faster. Discord will be full of threads of angry people asking for a revert, AGS will consider it, watch player counts fall to abysmal levels, then realize, wait, we should probably fix this, by then it will be too late...history repeats itself.
Tried to warn you people...
I didn't realize that had tab target during beta. It played fine without it...leave it out.
can you target lock with hatchet aim throw?
it is meta now
New world players: Bot everywhere
New World dev: Lets turn human player into bot as well...
PVP will finally die in this game 🙏🏻
reminds me autobattle mobile game now. sad
The devs are not smart and they aren't thinking ahead
I never thought that my 4000hrs invested in this game, mainly in PVP, will get ruined by AGS just like that.. When this game came out I really thought its one of the best PVP games out, the PVP mechanic was great and was needed just a little tweaks here and there to make it perfect. This is the outcome of not listening to your community. How can you be so stupid to literally implement a hack in a PVP game and expect players to come back. After 3 years of development the game is worse than in first day of release, it's just blows my mind...
been a while since ive been around these parts
man Im glad I quit over 1 year ago now..and ive been telling yall to do the same
@@KnockOut101inc did you even watch the video lil bro? Trick was killing people BLIND FOLDED thats how easy it is....and please "optional" as if ppl are going to choose to MISS hits...and I was extremely hyped for them to update the game after 9 months...but yet again its a MASSIVE L
I was planning to come back after 2 years but not anymore. 1vX pvp will be basically impossible. All skill is removed and if 2 or more people lock onto you with a ranged weapon then I dont see how you could possibly win
Yup I’m happy they did this just proves my point they don’t play the game they don’t care about the community the people that stuck around always said nw combat was the only reason they stick around. Now I haven one less game to worry about to many good games out. I’m not gonna touch another Amazon title again lost ark failed new world failing don’t trust them enough to try out throne should’ve listened to my old gw 2 guild mates they said don’t touch anything with Amazon in it when nw first came out now look where we at.
So they making sure ppl with no skill have a change to kill someone with skill and enjoy the game as much? The pvp is in this game does have a big skill gap and the devs want NEW players to join and stay I think this is a way for them to keep them in the game.
Valorant on console has aim slowdown not aim assist. It works. They don’t have to go nuclear on this game to balance it out. They are ruining the combat COMPLETELY
Im so glad for this update gonna be fun
Agreed that the target lock is a bad change but i also think the stagger one is bad, in large scale pvp that will be insufferable honestly
I really think these changes are good and we are missing the point hyper focusing in "how my skills will matter less".
The point here is changing the game for console/controlers... It will be better just accept that as a fact...
That is actually not a fact. It's by definition an opinion. Just to clarify
@@DblTapSlapMcGap I didnt say it is, I said it is better to accept that as if it is... and move on... but everyone can keep complaining... ofc they will change everything they planned to do with the console launch because of it.... sure.
Cross play has ruined pc gaming. I thought it was good at first, but they always over tune the handicap needed. AIM assist breaks games. I have rooted for this game since day 1 but decisions made for this game have killed it. Seams it will continue to be that way.
SnS was almost already doing this in the live game bc tracking was so strong. The game has been absolutely destroyed since s5 combat code release. Instead of realizing their mistakes they’re doubling down on just making it worse.
target lock is not even necessary .... just remove it and add an aim ASSIST for range weapons ONLY on controller
Amazon has already forgettten about PC players long ago. They are already all about console players
I find this to be a pvp gripe for which I could care less. I play this game as an RPG and could care less about any of the PVP aspects.
Cool story bro.
@@DblTapSlapMcGap true story bro
People really like to cry about everything man. What ever, is just a game, a pretty good one
im not coming back ngl
It could be ok if all attacks and abilities would be slowed down and the number of dodges would increase like 3 times
AGS showing that theres only shit in their heads once again.
my opinion is just impossible to see target lock in pvp in october
Aim assist is good until long range and then you need to cancel it and lead shots. Or if there is mass lag even at medium range and have had happen point blank target lock makes you miss every attack. During the beta I’ve had target lock point blank but flame thrower didn’t connect on single time with a dude doing a circle around me due to lag.
@@KnockOut101inc facts like yes target lock can be great, especially for new and casual players but to say it’s broke because a literal new player with a bow didn’t even attempt to kite and honestly has probably never done pvp in his life based on what he was doing bs a streamer and lost is crazy to me. It can be good when there is zero lag and close to medium range. But new world pvp with mass people has and always will have lag with medium range to long range and a strafing target. Good luck lol!
Target lock is the best thing that's happened to NW!
I’m exited for target lock. I probly will hardly use it, maybe only for my ranged attacks because I like the combat already
Tap-target RPG game, with the option to be action combat. GG NW
Did anyone playing on PS5 during the beta have constant combat lag and frame issues?