Chevy Bolt EV Restricting Charge to 80% Capacity

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  • Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024

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  • @usaverageguy
    @usaverageguy 5 лет назад +18

    In case you were unaware. The 2019 Bolt has a software change that allows you to set the maximum charge to any percent in 5% increments. Mine is set to 80%.

    • @DangNguyen-my3wd
      @DangNguyen-my3wd 5 лет назад +4

      This sort of update is exactly why OTA updates are huge wins for Tesla. It makes absolutely no sense to go out and fork over thousands of dollars on a new car for such a feature that should have been there in the first place; especially, when the car as a whole is perfectly fine.

    • @aardvarkansaw
      @aardvarkansaw 4 года назад +1

      @@DangNguyen-my3wd Teslas are great buy some of us cannot afford to buy one.

    • @DangNguyen-my3wd
      @DangNguyen-my3wd 4 года назад +1

      @@aardvarkansaw my point was that other manufacturers should follow Tesla's lead and do the same. Audi will be doing OTA updates soon. Comparing the 2019/20 Bolt that starts around $35k for the base model, you're in the ballpark for you base model Model 3, anyway. Top of the line Bolt it's in the low $40k. To me, it makes more financial sense to put my money into something that is constantly getting better rather than something that starts static in features and issues.

    • @zilfondel
      @zilfondel 4 года назад

      @@aardvarkansaw Technically a 2020 Bolt Premier is more expensive than a Tesla Model 3 standard range plus.

    • @errcoche
      @errcoche 3 года назад

      @@zilfondel The Tesla you can't actually buy so "technically" indeed.

  • @9233267
    @9233267 3 месяца назад +1

    Thanks for this. Thinking in terms of "_____ many hours of charge" is a great way to use that feature... for those of us with 2017/2018 models. I was thinking to limit my charge on the smart-charger side of things, but I worry that the battery won't condition itself as though it was plugged in once the charger cuts off the juice. My #1 priority for battery care is letting it condition itself in the heat, my #2 priority is not keeping it super full, and I'd rather limit to 80% than the 88% hilltop.

  • @mosfet500
    @mosfet500 7 лет назад +10

    Thanks for the work around. This is one area that GM could update firmware. There's no reason they couldn't give us a % of C control scheme on the display.
    Right now I use "hill top" for "home only" because on the road I want the most charge I can get. Home is about 95% of my charging, by the way.

  • @michaelbramel5771
    @michaelbramel5771 3 года назад +5

    Revisited this video last night, and find it a timely solution for those of us trying to figure out our risk of battery fire. Limiting my 2017 to 80% feels a bit safer than hilltop reserve.

    • @newscoulomb3705
      @newscoulomb3705  3 года назад +1

      Thanks! Yes, I didn't know if this would ever come in useful again. Hopefully, GM decides to start replacing packs. The 2019s should go first, of course, but just replace the packs at this point.

  • @GarinHiebert
    @GarinHiebert 5 лет назад +10

    (For viewers considering Bolt models 2019 and beyond.) It should be noted that new Bolts (I have a 2019) have settings for target charge level when at home or away. You can set it in 5% increments. I use 80% as the default when plugging in at home, and 90% when away from home. Most of the other screens shown in this video are there, but personally I just use the charge limits and immediate mode, and let my home EVSE control the timing for the start time.

    • @voyagerman22
      @voyagerman22 5 лет назад +3

      This seems like a perfect opportunity for an over the air (OTA) update on my 2017 Bolt. GM doesn’t have to be as advanced as Tesla’s OTA updates, but they should be able to offer a simple upgrade like the 2019 percent charge setting.

    • @DangNguyen-my3wd
      @DangNguyen-my3wd 5 лет назад

      @@voyagerman22 agree! Besides, don't they owe taxpayers for bailing them out of bankruptcy to simply offer an update like this for free?

    • @thewaterboy2013
      @thewaterboy2013 4 года назад

      @@voyagerman22 I wonder if you took the vehicle into the dealership and asked if they can update it there. I know with my 2016 volt, I was able to get an update which allowed me to use android auto.

    • @voyagerman22
      @voyagerman22 4 года назад

      @@thewaterboy2013 Thanks, Carl. You might be right, but I was hoping it was something that could be done with OTA update rather than having to leave my car at dealership. I guess my real issue is having Tesla expectations when I'm driving a Chevy. :) Thanks, again.

    • @thewaterboy2013
      @thewaterboy2013 4 года назад

      @@voyagerman22 it is certainly something they need to get on. They have built in cell data for OnStar so they really don't have a great excuse for not having it at this point haha

  • @paulwesterberg
    @paulwesterberg 7 лет назад +25

    This seems overly complicated for what should be a standard feature/setting.

    • @GarrettMoffitt
      @GarrettMoffitt 5 лет назад +1

      IT is vastly over thought. Some UI dev. got hung up on the term 'peak' ,and didn't think about what that means for the user.
      It means "There are times I don't want to charge." The reason the user doesn't want to charge is irrelevant. It should be a week day calendar, and We should just enter the time not to charge for each day.
      I could, literally, design a better UI in less than an hour.

  • @TRYtoHELPyou
    @TRYtoHELPyou 5 лет назад +4

    With the spark i shoot for aiming the departure time 1 hour past my actual departure time. That ensures it does not hit 100... but, i had recently just let it go to 100. Works out.

  • @bcbock
    @bcbock 7 лет назад +7

    I don’t see why this is necessary. Chevy designed the power usage profile set to balance range and longevity. I’d trust their math and testing more than what I’d see online.

    • @holyshit2709
      @holyshit2709 4 года назад

      Brian Bock are you sure about that?

  • @mr2autoxr
    @mr2autoxr 7 лет назад +22

    why not just turn on hill top reserve function?

    • @newscoulomb3705
      @newscoulomb3705  6 лет назад +2

      I agree. This is specifically to charge to 80%. Hilltop Reserve sets it to 90%. To your point, it's not worth the extra effort.

    • @davidbeaulieu4815
      @davidbeaulieu4815 5 лет назад +2

      I live at the bottom of a hill lol.

    • @benb9089
      @benb9089 5 лет назад

      @@newscoulomb3705 Elon musk (Tesla CEO) recently said that it's best for longevity to charge to 90%, not 80%.

    • @Jeff-wb3hh
      @Jeff-wb3hh 5 лет назад +1

      @@benb9089 I could not find anything when searching the internet to back-up your claimed Musk comment about it's better for longevity to charge to 90% not 80%. Could you please provide a link to this comment by Musk?

  • @moatplay
    @moatplay 7 лет назад +2

    I set it to hill top reserve. I'm not doing it to extend the life of the battery necessarily but, regenerative breaking is diminished after a full charge. Hill top reserve leaves enough space in the battery to make regen more viable.

  • @Kimmer
    @Kimmer 5 лет назад +3

    I prefer just using Hill top mode which allows 90%. However, other options that are easier are to charge by departure time and you could set the time an hour or so later than when you plan to leave. Another option I've used with my Juicebox is to simply set the mileage I want using the Juicebox app to shut off charging early. It isn't exact, but close enough. I was doing this at first, but finally decided hilltop mode is the easiest and best way to achieve the intent.

    • @newscoulomb3705
      @newscoulomb3705  5 лет назад

      Yes, that is much easier. This was in response to someone wanting to end the charge at 80% (or lower).

    • @Kimmer
      @Kimmer 5 лет назад

      @@newscoulomb3705 Thanks - I enjoy your channel. Like you've stated, we really don't know exactly how these batteries will hold out long term. My approach is to charge to 90% most all of the time using Hill Top mode, and then on occasion, fully charge to 100% when going longer distance where I assume GM has some buffer at the top. It's interesting to note that Tesla recently changed their recommendation to now fully charge their batteries rather than 80% or 90%. Apparently, some of their batteries were having some problems and fully charging them corrected the issue by "resetting". But then again, I'm sure they have a certain buffer as well.

  • @aevoss
    @aevoss 5 лет назад +1

    I don’t understand the “immediately up to 40%”. What does this mean?

  • @futbol1972
    @futbol1972 10 месяцев назад +1

    I drive about 34 miles every day round trip Monday through friday so about 170 miles the whole week. At the end of the week I end up with 15-30 miles left.... There is a public charging station in my neighborhood and I charge there at the end of the week for FREE to 80% . Is it bad to charge once a week and let my battery drain that low every week 15-30mes?? Should I charge everyday instead or every otherday??? I guess I can plug in at home overnight on the 120v regulatlr outlet but why if I can charge for free at the charging station?? Also I think iam gonna start charging to 90% instead, will that be good, this way I will haveabout 20% battery left at the end of week if I charge only once a week???
    I have the new replacement battery on 2019 bolt ev0

  • @danwat1234
    @danwat1234 7 лет назад +2

    Would just setting the departure time to be later than when you plan on departing have the same effect? Assuming it wants to be finishing up charging shortly before the departure time, then basically set the departure time the number of hours needed to charge from 80% to 100%. So by the time you want to unplug it, it'll have around 20% to go......
    I could be entirely wrong, in that often times it might be fully charge hours before the departure time? No experience with this feature on any plug-in.
    Your method seems safe. Give it 4 hours of time to charge from 40% to higher.
    Seems irresponsible for the Bolt not to have an option to not charge to 95% or whatever SOC window it is.

  • @erikstephens34
    @erikstephens34 7 лет назад +2

    Another note your setup will also vary depending on the L2 charger setup. Some people at home might only have a L2 capable of 3.6 - 3.8KW. Or some are 4.8KW max is also fairly common.

    • @newscoulomb3705
      @newscoulomb3705  7 лет назад

      Erik Stephens Very true. You'll want to set the charge time based on the rate of charge.

  • @jkreth
    @jkreth 5 лет назад +2

    Hilltop reserve sets the maximum SOC to 90%. Is there a significant difference maxing to only 80% vs. 90% from a battery life management perspective?

    • @newscoulomb3705
      @newscoulomb3705  5 лет назад +1

      Not really a significant difference, no. I made this video because someone specifically asked about it. It's definitely due for an update, though.

    • @futbol1972
      @futbol1972 10 месяцев назад

      ​@newscoulomb3705 I drive about 34 miles every day round trip Monday through friday so about 170 miles the whole week. At the end of the week I end up with 15-30 miles left.... There is a public charging station in my neighborhood and I charge there at the end of the week for FREE to 80% . Is it bad to charge once a week and let my battery drain that low every week 15-30mes?? Should I charge everyday instead or every otherday??? I guess I can plug in at home overnight on the 120v regulatlr outlet but why if I can charge for free at the charging station?? Also I think iam gonna start charging to 90% instead, will that be good, this way I will haveabout 20% battery left at the end of week if I charge only once a week???
      I have the new replacement battery on 2019 bolt ev0

  • @miodice3
    @miodice3 2 года назад

    Brilliant awesome video and FANTASTIC work around

  • @mtnbrfl
    @mtnbrfl 7 лет назад +6

    I was part of a GM online questionnaire regarding charging screen preferences last year. The screens had more detail on charging to 80% and 100%, they also had granularity choices of 1%/5%/10%. I wonder if GM will update the charging screens at some point with these changes.

    • @newscoulomb3705
      @newscoulomb3705  7 лет назад +1

      Matthew Nelson Thanks for your contribution! That's great information, and hopefully we don't always have to use this workaround.

    • @flamaest
      @flamaest 7 лет назад +1

      I hope they bring back a screen to limit charging to 80%, it seems like charging the car to hundred percent on a Friday night and leaving it that way until the next Monday would put stress on the battery.
      Hilltop Reserve is another OK option, limiting charge to 90%, so I guess I will use this until any new screen options are made available.

  • @hortoristic
    @hortoristic Год назад +1

    Great video...I just purchased Bolt EUV 2023 and I can't seem to figure out how to get out of the ~200 mile mode charging. I feel like it's defaulting to 80%. I've played with immediate and departure mode but just can't find where I occasionally can max out the range - like my wife is doing a trip tomorrow for 225 miles.

    • @newscoulomb3705
      @newscoulomb3705  Год назад

      Thanks! For the newer Bolts, the setting is under Target Charge Limit. It is still on the Energy screen.

    • @hortoristic
      @hortoristic Год назад +1

      @@newscoulomb3705 ok. I must have not seen it. So it will over ride it going forward? Once longer trip done, I'll have to manually bounce it back to 80%?

    • @newscoulomb3705
      @newscoulomb3705  Год назад

      @@hortoristic Yes. Once it is set to 80%, it won't charge to more than 80%.

    • @hortoristic
      @hortoristic Год назад

      @@newscoulomb3705 I'm going the other way. Defaults to 199 miles, I'm hoping there is setting to go max charge for long trip

    • @hortoristic
      @hortoristic Год назад +1

      Me again! So I found the target settings, was on what appeared 80% , slid it to 100. The car is still claiming it's only going to hit 199 miles on charge. I live near Seattle, so not real cold, but it's this range trying to account for weather and past history how much we use the heater?

  • @blomegoog
    @blomegoog 6 лет назад +5

    After watching twice, it still does not help clarify the horrid and confusing Bolt interface. Who designed this thing?

    • @newscoulomb3705
      @newscoulomb3705  6 лет назад +1

      Yes, they could definitely improve the user interface, both in terms of usability and features.

  • @aardvarkansaw
    @aardvarkansaw 4 года назад +1

    It is now, on 2019 Bolts, very easy to set any level of charge that you want to choose--all in 5% increments.. I use 85% unless I need maximum range--then I charge up to 100%

    • @ironqqq
      @ironqqq 4 года назад

      Can't they just push a software update and make it available to set % to all Bolt drivers?

  • @sends2aaron
    @sends2aaron 6 лет назад +2

    My phone is at 87% state of charge as I watch this video. I will now plug it in and charge it to 100% state of charge.

  • @heinorotaugen
    @heinorotaugen 7 лет назад +1

    thanks for the video! I am missing a similar tool how's Tesla make it, about the max. charging level

  • @lashturner
    @lashturner 2 года назад

    I want to charge my 2018 bolt to 100 percent. It currently only charges to 80 percent. I just bought it a month ago and I am not satisfied with the charge distant

  • @SplatZS904
    @SplatZS904 3 года назад

    What’s the charging time limit for a Level 1 charging? I had my Bolt EV plugged in at 120V@12A. It stopped charging at 80% and said Unable to Charge. Started charging it at 20%

    • @HR-rt9nh
      @HR-rt9nh 7 месяцев назад

      that is interesting to me... i just got a 2017 with new battery i have yet to charge it. actually id be happy if it charges only to 80%

  • @EVMANVSGAS
    @EVMANVSGAS 7 лет назад

    Are you sure the battery doesn't have excess capacity like the Volt so it never really charges to 100% full anyway? Also, why not just set your departure time to a couple of hours later than what you will really leave and set it to finish as late as possible? Seems like then the car would know how long since it would base start time on it's current state of charge.

  • @rfenchel
    @rfenchel 7 лет назад +1

    Thank you for posting your new Chevy Bolt videos. Mine is soon to arrive at Capital Chevy in CA next week. My question is a bit off topic...debating on buying or leasing...may I ask which way you went and maybe why? Thank you! Very excited to move from hybrid to full electric...finally.

    • @newscoulomb3705
      @newscoulomb3705  7 лет назад +6

      Ryan Fenchel I purchased, but that is because leasing doesn't work for me. One reason I am doing these videos is that I am fairly certain I will be putting more miles on my Bolt EV (~50,000 a year) than most owners. If 45,000 miles over 3 years works for you, I say leasing is an option. Also, it becomes more of an option if you don't qualify for the full Federal EV tax credit.

  • @taztaz79
    @taztaz79 7 лет назад

    Interesting! A lot of charging settings! That will be awesome! I will add a link to this video from our Swedish electric car forum. I think a lot of persons will be interested in this video! :)

  • @sjh7132
    @sjh7132 3 года назад

    Your method assumes that you know where the current state of charge is when you park. If instead you just set the departure time for a few hours later than what it really will be, it will always bring you up to the same level.

  • @arthurchmielewski8994
    @arthurchmielewski8994 4 года назад +1

    Why would you only charge to 80%? These are lithium batteries, same as in your phone. You don’t charge your phone to 80%. Any physics behind your idea?

    • @newscoulomb3705
      @newscoulomb3705  4 года назад +1

      Yes, there are a number of studies showing that cycling through 100% of a battery's capacity increases wear. The closer to 100% you charge and the closer to 0% you discharge, the faster the battery will "degrade," "fade," or "wear" (i.e., lose capacity).

    • @arthurchmielewski8994
      @arthurchmielewski8994 4 года назад +1

      I work for NASA and I’m pretty sure that we charge our lithiums to 100%. I will check with the power experts. Yes discharging it repeatedly to 0 lowers the long term capacity but I don’t think that charging to 100% is an issue. It takes longer to charge from 80% because of the power curve but it should not affect life or capacity. Do you have a link to a study that shows your claim to be true?

    • @samusaran7317
      @samusaran7317 4 года назад

      @@arthurchmielewski8994 If the extra range isnt needed why waste the time? Charging infrastructure is a bit better than what it used to be.

  • @moggebobo5512
    @moggebobo5512 7 лет назад

    Quite strange a brand new EV not having a unique setting for wanted SoC. My "old" 2011 Mitsubishi iMiev has nothing of this. But as you do, I do. I know that my charger puts out 2 kw at 8A/230VAC, so setting an external timer for 4 nightly hours gives me 8 kw (- 10% losses) that gives me always good enough 80-95 % SoC. It has only 16 kwh battery so I keep close to 90-97% SoC...

    • @newscoulomb3705
      @newscoulomb3705  7 лет назад

      Mogge J My guess is that GM thinks that the charging rates they allow at that state of charge won't damage the battery. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if we don't have access to the full capacity. There might be additional capacity.

  • @franksilver6690
    @franksilver6690 5 лет назад

    OK ... but how do I get to 100% charge, I seem to be capped at 80% ??

    • @nomistap
      @nomistap 5 лет назад

      Make sure hilltop reserve is turned off

  • @SuperSally666
    @SuperSally666 4 года назад

    Is there a video on how to get 238 miles out of a 2019 bolt?

    • @newscoulomb3705
      @newscoulomb3705  4 года назад +1

      Range is very dependent on driving and conditions. If you're driving in cold winter conditions or at freeway speeds of 70 mph or faster, 238 miles will be hard to achieve.

  • @thackythac
    @thackythac 6 лет назад

    Is your Bolt affected by the bad battery issue where if one cell goes the whole battery goes? LG strikes again with junk sadly.

    • @newscoulomb3705
      @newscoulomb3705  6 лет назад +1

      +James Thacker Nope. I haven't had a single issue so far. *knock on hard-touch plastic*

  • @Sc0rPsX
    @Sc0rPsX 7 лет назад +1

    GM and probably the others don't allow max charge to preserve lithium chemistry. 100% is actually 80%.

    • @MrZorbatron
      @MrZorbatron 7 лет назад +2

      There's no evidence that GM is doing this based on the tech data for the LG batteries they are using. Tesla DOES derate their batteries slightly, charging to about .04 volts below what the chemistry's working range is. Tesla cells operate from 3.6 to 4.16 volts (0 and 100% SoC). It is still potentially beneficial to limit charging to 85-90% on those vehicles, though battery durability and longevity has exceeded expectations with a few vehicles having hit 200000 miles while retaining 90% of their original battery capacity.

  • @KTPurdy
    @KTPurdy 4 года назад

    I do the same thing when leaving my Volt at the airport while on a trip.

  • @keepinitreal3836
    @keepinitreal3836 3 года назад

    Thanks

  • @juliaset751
    @juliaset751 7 лет назад +1

    Things are getting way more complicated than they need to be. Just show a charge screen and allow me to enter charge level, time, amps. Duh.

  • @joelrondinella721
    @joelrondinella721 7 лет назад +1

    So when shopping an electric car, figure your mileage is always 80% of what they advertise?! Good to know.

    • @errcoche
      @errcoche 3 года назад

      No. You only charge to full when you need that range. Not the same thing at all.

  • @mirage711
    @mirage711 4 года назад

    I think I might of read the title wrong but you never showed Chevy Bolt EV Restricting Charge to 80% Capacity.....Help....

  • @driversteve9345
    @driversteve9345 6 лет назад

    How can I get the EVgo chargers to charge my Bolt EV to 100% instead of the 80%? I do Rideshare in my car and I need to drive as many miles as possible with minimal downtime.

    • @newscoulomb3705
      @newscoulomb3705  6 лет назад +2

      You can already charge to 100%, you just can't do it quickly. When relying on DCFC, you should really consider the Bolt EV's range to be 150-200 miles. Anything past that simply isn't worth the time to charge. You might as well use Level 2 AC.

    • @driversteve9345
      @driversteve9345 6 лет назад

      Well, my experience has been that the EVgo charger cuts off at 80%, even after restarting it! I don't have a charger at home as I live in an apartment complex. That's why I asked!

  • @moorpmoorp
    @moorpmoorp 2 года назад

    start at 0:46 seconds. Everything before it is babble

  • @georgesutton9045
    @georgesutton9045 6 лет назад

    The Bolt has a 60 kwh battery, of which 50 kwh is available for use. This equals 83% of the capacity available for use. See: ruclips.net/video/sLFOxgBDuB8/видео.html

    • @newscoulomb3705
      @newscoulomb3705  6 лет назад

      Actually, it has 60 kWh of usable capacity. The gross capacity is somewhere between 65-66 kWh.

  • @jenkinssthomson8879
    @jenkinssthomson8879 3 года назад +1

    This is not a good way! GMC do better!

    • @newscoulomb3705
      @newscoulomb3705  3 года назад

      They already did. Later model Bolt EVs have "Target Charge Limit," which lets you set your max battery level in 5% increments.

  • @hkmp5kpdw
    @hkmp5kpdw 7 лет назад

    Capacity is already governed (just like the Volt)...

    • @newscoulomb3705
      @newscoulomb3705  7 лет назад +1

      hkmp5kpdw Do you have a source for that? It makes sense, especially given GM's history, but it would be nice to have confirmation.

    • @MrZorbatron
      @MrZorbatron 7 лет назад

      What's the usable capacity? I know that the aggregated cell nameplate capacity is between 59 and 60 kWh, but that's the true maximum. Any derated ("goverened") capacity would be below that. There will also be a couple kWh artificial floor to prevent battery bricking. This means that if you have a useful capacity of 54 kWh, this means have an artificial upper limit of 56, indicating a 4 kWh derate.

  • @stuartmenzies3928
    @stuartmenzies3928 Год назад +1

    This is bullshit! E WANT TO KNOW WHY NO PERCENTAGE INDICATOR!????????

  • @nichecalhoun5513
    @nichecalhoun5513 2 месяца назад

    I dont understand this video

    • @newscoulomb3705
      @newscoulomb3705  2 месяца назад

      This is a workaround for Bolt EV owners who don't have Target Charge Level but who want to limit their charging to 80%. By setting the charge activation time, you can limit the amount of time the car spends charging so that the battery is only at ~80% when you're ready to unplug and leave.

  • @davidbeaulieu4815
    @davidbeaulieu4815 5 лет назад

    This is so easy to find and so not worth the effort.