I always think that the fact that Imrahil, Theoden, Eomer, Boromir and Faramir are related is one of the most important little known details of late third age. It’s like the union of Imrazor and Mithrellas had enough ennobled descendants in Gondor (and Rohan) to help these realms weather the dark days till a king returned.
In universe, I imagine half-elves are pretty common and just not talked about unless it involves nobility or royalty in some way. Anywhere working-class populations of elves and men overlapped probably had hordes of half-elves. Any elvish kingdom is going to have a lot of working-class elves to keep it running and it's going to have borders and trade routes where tradeselves meet tradesmen in similar stations.
I'm not sure if there would be actual hordes of them, but generally I agree. It's just a fact of nature - whenever two species that can multiply with each other share a habitat, multiply with each other is what they do 😉 Though as far as I understand it, the children of such a union would be human. Halv-elven or Peredhil is a term strictly reserved for the line of Ëarendil, and only that line get's the right to chose whether to be counted among elves or man.
This. Its like ppl seem to forget that the Númenóreans/Dúnedain also carry Elven blood. Its why they live longer and are more noble then your average man. Dol Amroth was both populated by Elves and the people of Númenórean that already settled there before the Fall of Númenór. So like you said it probably wasn't uncommon for there to be couples between elves and men.
@Revassin only the royal family had Elf blood. There wouldn't be "hordes" of them since they're not the same race, species or even religion/culture. Perspective: You can't even underdestand what they're saying and because of their immortality they get saddened by dying and fast changing things.
Keep in mind that it means several things: a) marriage between elves and men were not so uncommon as they are thought to be, and not in the way Peter Jackson portrays Elrond as the over protective father (Elrond's condition to Aragorn and Arwen's marriage is that he reunites the greater gondor). There were probably many other people who were half elves, justified and inspired by couples such as Beren and Luthien. Elves were like "There once was an Edin that married an Quendi" and the human men who listened to the story were like "Hmm, elven waifu...why not?"
I've been watching your videos for a couple weeks and dude let me tell you the way you narrate these stories with your choice of music combined with it is GREAT, you really turned a simple fact with a little side story to a great video that's worth watching again and again. Idk why your channel isn't popular enough but you deserve to be on top of LotR lore channels
No need to look through Netflix lists to find smth good to watch, your videos turned out to be just what I needed. Thanks for rekindling the desire to be immersed in this legendarium again, I have been putting off reading Tolkien in his original language for years (because the Turkish translation of the Lord of the Rings is phenomenal) but now I will finally order the books, I guess. Groovy be the moods of all :*
This is a really cool detail!! It's nuts that the Legendarium is so packed with knowledge that something as interesting as this can be completely overlooked!!
I recently found your channel and really enjoy your stuff. Especially the series you did about Feanor. This makes me wonder how common elf/man unions are in the Tolkien universe. It makes sense that Tolkien would only focus on the legendary characters, but it would be neat to have small, isolated kingdoms full of people with similar heritage. It would fit in well with my headcanon that there are also tribes of neutral, independent orcs/goblins who peacefully co-exist with their neighbors.
Thank you, I'm really glad you enjoy the channel. I've often wondered the same thing. Surely Mithrellas and Imrazor can't be the only Man/Elf couplings outside of the main three. Especially in places like Central Mirkwood or coastal Gondor, where Elves and Men live relatively together. I'd love to see some more small-scale kingdoms of half-elves descended from Middle Men and lowly Silvan Elves. As for orcs co-existing with men, I guess we see something kind of like that with the orcs of the Misty Mountains and the Men of Dunland fighting together against a common enemy in the Two Towers. I'm not sure how well that alliance would have worked out once the fighting was done though.
I *LOVE* your videos. I beleive Faramir is pronounced FAR-ah-meer (not FAIR-ah-meer at time stamp 0:03) according to Appendix E of Lord of the Rings (same applies to Aragorn..more of an AH on the first syllable (like in Arwen) vs an AIR-ah-gorn pronunciation at time stamp 1:03) I am not trying to be rude or petty at all. I know you really care about Tolkien’s writings so I thought I’d speak up. If I’m wrong, please let me know! I’m still learning myself ergo, I’m watching ALL your videos(and maybe you already know what I’m talking about and this was just a slip of the tongue. I know I grew up saying some of these names wrong and will occasionally fall back on my old pronunciations)
I appreciate the attention to details. I pronounced Sauron as “sore-on” (the way it was pronounced in the Bakshi movie) in elementary school until I read the same appendix.
Damn just when I thought I had exhausted any chance of learning anything new about the Lord of the rings. I first read the books in 1977 but always something new pops up. Thank you for this one I always had questions about this statement Legolas made
Just a side note, not every human who has some elven blood in his/her veins is a half-elf. Only those born of a union of elf and man are, or well, elf and half-elf(but not the opposite, as in human and half elf, as it's the elven part that's dominant not the human) like in the case of Elrond. However being a quarter or less elf does not make one a half-elf.
...and he ended up with his sister... He had a child with her. If not for that, both Turin and Nienor would have lived. That prophecy about Finduilas being the only one standing between him and his doom turned out to be true.
Great video! I have not heard of the exact Elven origin of the Princes of Dol Amroth and had assumed it was unknown. I was a bit confused by one moment though (8:13 - "they too possessed the blood of the Eldar"). If Mithrellas was the sole source of the Elven blood to the line of the Princes of Dol Amroth, would that not make their blood part-Nandor rather than Eldar, since Mithrellas' ancestors never went to Valinor in the days of the Trees? Unless of course there's also blood from the line of King Elros, in which case there would be Eldar blood.
That's a very good question, they would be specifically Nandor (or Silvan) heritage, although the Nandor are still considered Eldar. Eldar simply refers to all the elves who began the migration from Cuivienen, not just the ones who made it all the way to Valinor. So the only non-Eldar elves are the Avari, who never left their ancestral place of awakening.
I think it's very likely that in places like Belfalas there may have been a population of Half Elven folk. The Numenoreans would have spoken Sindarian (Faramir still spoke it even at the end of the 3rd age) and been very friendly to Elves. That and the local Elves would surely have been impressed by theses Numenorean men and women who were enriched by the Valar. This tidbit that Tolkien leaves us suggests it may be so, since these two were basically nobodies who fell in love.
I think it's happened a couple of times without record. So many elves and men awol from the story. The royal lines that are in power get the details. I say the ones in power bc you would have some that are around not in power not talked about.
Mithrellas and Imrazôr’s story has a sad ending though, because one day she just fled into the woods with no forewarning and was never seen again. Some speculate Imrazôr must’ve been abusive to her, but I think she was just too afraid to watch her husband and children grow old and die and preferred to remember them as they were, and I imagine some Ents and/or Entwives helped her survive the forest and make her way to the Grey Havens where she could sail to rejoin her people.
I did not know this but I do recall reading that Prince Imrahil had eleven blood in him. It's nice to know who his ancestors were. I do wonder if the children of Imrazor and Mithrellass had the choice to make. Whether to be counted among the Eldar or the Edain.
@@tolkienuntangled As far as I know Boromir and Faramir were half Brothers. Boromir's mother was from the middle men and Faramir's was from Numenorian line. According to Tolkien, Faramir was nobler and wiser by his ancestor's blood, and Boromir was fiercer and more passionate also by his mother's blood.
Interesting. I always thought Imrahil’s Elven blood was because he was of Numenorian stock, so he descended from Elrond’s brother Elros, who chose humanity when Elrond chose elfhood.
It is rather interesting to think that a little more elven blood has been put into the race of men, specifically into the men of Gondor, but I doubt that's going to stay there forever, giving them just a little bit more of a boost as they take full possession of Middle Earth with the elves leaving or holing up in their hidden realms.
2 questions. Are these 3 half elves the only cases or just the only documented (written about)? Also if I understand you correctly are Arwen and Aragorn related? Essentially 3rd cousins a time or 2 removed? Not hung up on it but just making sure I understand the family tree
1 - Imrazor and Mithrellas are the only man and elf pairing to make children that weren't one of the main three, but it's possible that it happened elsewhere and was never recorded. One of Galadriel's brothers was in love with a mortal woman, but they never married or had children so they don't really count. 2 - Yes, Aragorn and Arwen are actually first cousins although they're 61 times removed. That may sound gross, but I think it's a statistical fact that (pretty much) every single human being on earth shares a closer common ancestor than Aragorn and Arwen. Either it's okay for them, or everyone who's ever had a child is guilty of incest 🤔
Okay this so much blown out of proportion. Why do you think I say this? Because Imrazor also had Elven Blood as he was a Númenórean. Its like ppl seem to forget that the Númenóreans/ Dúnedain are direct descendants of Elros who is the brother of Elrond. Elrond is a half-elf so obviously his direct related brother Elros (who is the first king of Númenór) is also a half-elf (he just choose the gift of men). Its why Númenóreans/Dúnedain also have extended lifespans. You talk about Half-Elves yet you don't clarify that Dol Amroth was both populated by Elves and the people of Númenórean that already settled there before the Fall of Númenór. The Elves eventually left leaving its dominion to men. But as such the Númenórean (and as such Elven blood still runs) strong in Dol Amroth. So even if Mithrelass didnt marry Imrazor he would still have Elven Blood its just their blood line is stronger because of Imrazor & Mithrelass coupling. But beyond that they aren't anything special when it comes to men with elven blood.
Not all Numenoreans had Elven blood. The Numenoreans are descendants of the three houses of High Men who fought alongside the Elves in the First Age. Of the Numenoreans only the Kings of Numenor and the Lords of Andunie had elven blood since they were direct descendants of Elros the brother of Elrond.
As far as I know Boromir and Faramir were half Brothers. Boromir's mother was from the middle men and Faramir's was from Numenorian line. According to Tolkien, Faramir was nobler and wiser by his ancestor's blood, and Boromir was fiercer and more passionate also by his mother's blood.
As this sub-legend begins with the completely implausible notion of a wood elf getting lost in the woods always has me put it down to fairytales, rather than fact.
The legendarium states that all men in this story or in the Tolkien universe descended from the elves in one way or another so this really isn't new information
As I've posted elsewhere; Just to once more prove how fallen from times of grandeur WotC has sunk, in 2023, they decree that "half-race" nomenclature, is now "RACIST". So "Half-Elven and "Halfling" are now racist I guess. Figures, as these Mensa drop-outs have destroyed so much of Gygax and Arneson's work, it is but a sad wraith and a pallid imitation of what it was. I despise WotC, as much if not more so for what they are denying future D&D generations, than what they've done to desecrate such an incredible universe for us all to play in. They have lost their way, entirely.
I always thought that Boromir and Faramir were half brothers. The information I was told was that Boromir's mother was from the middle men and Faramir's was of numenorian descent. And it was ironic that Denethor loved Boromir more sense he was obsessed with the legacy of Numenor and Faramir had the blood of Numenor in his veins while Boromir didn't.
@@meleardilThey were full brothers. Denethor preferred Boromir because he valued the warrior skills much more than the scholarly skills of Faramir. And also possibly because Faramir reminds him more of his deceased wife, and it’s just painful for him.
That's not true. All Numenoreans are descended from the Edain of Beleriand in the First Age. They were elf-friends, but Elros (and his direct descendents) were the only Numenoreans descended from a union between Eldar and Edain. No one else in Numenor had Elven blood.
@@tolkienuntangled that statement you made is based on the idea that Tolkien never discussed it or spoke on it. Other Numenoreans being descendants of Elves fits perfectly with their greater lifespan and their eventually declining one. Remember in the beginning years of Numenor, Elves visited them regularly, that is most likely how they all gained greater lifespans
@@tolkienuntangled I'm sure you're right about the beginning of things. But in Real Life, it's the case that a goodly proportion of say the population of the UK has "some royal blood", simply because of all the minor royal lines that eventually fade into becoming commoners. Imagine for instance the future 10th level descendant of Prince Edward....surely will be a commoner rather than a royal? In the same way, would Elros' Elven blood not have spread across Numenor and from there to the Dunedain of Middle Earth later on? Not that *all* would have Elven blood of course, but it surely would be quite a large proportion of Dunedain thousands of years later.
I always think that the fact that Imrahil, Theoden, Eomer, Boromir and Faramir are related is one of the most important little known details of late third age. It’s like the union of Imrazor and Mithrellas had enough ennobled descendants in Gondor (and Rohan) to help these realms weather the dark days till a king returned.
Didn't eomer marry imrahils daughter?
@@BeregondFirstCaptain yep he did but they were already distantly related as Eomer’s grandmother was a descendant of an earlier prince of Dol Amroth.
In universe, I imagine half-elves are pretty common and just not talked about unless it involves nobility or royalty in some way.
Anywhere working-class populations of elves and men overlapped probably had hordes of half-elves. Any elvish kingdom is going to have a lot of working-class elves to keep it running and it's going to have borders and trade routes where tradeselves meet tradesmen in similar stations.
I'm not sure if there would be actual hordes of them, but generally I agree. It's just a fact of nature - whenever two species that can multiply with each other share a habitat, multiply with each other is what they do 😉
Though as far as I understand it, the children of such a union would be human. Halv-elven or Peredhil is a term strictly reserved for the line of Ëarendil, and only that line get's the right to chose whether to be counted among elves or man.
This. Its like ppl seem to forget that the Númenóreans/Dúnedain also carry Elven blood. Its why they live longer and are more noble then your average man. Dol Amroth was both populated by Elves and the people of Númenórean that already settled there before the Fall of Númenór. So like you said it probably wasn't uncommon for there to be couples between elves and men.
@Revassin only the royal family had Elf blood. There wouldn't be "hordes" of them since they're not the same race, species or even religion/culture. Perspective: You can't even underdestand what they're saying and because of their immortality they get saddened by dying and fast changing things.
Keep in mind that it means several things: a) marriage between elves and men were not so uncommon as they are thought to be, and not in the way Peter Jackson portrays Elrond as the over protective father (Elrond's condition to Aragorn and Arwen's marriage is that he reunites the greater gondor). There were probably many other people who were half elves, justified and inspired by couples such as Beren and Luthien. Elves were like "There once was an Edin that married an Quendi" and the human men who listened to the story were like "Hmm, elven waifu...why not?"
Your presentational style is imbued with levity yet suitably reverend to the subjects at hand. Top marks.
Perfectly put. I had been searching for just the right phrasing. Now I can stop.
Probably binged 15 of your videos in a row. So good!! Thanks for all the work you're doing on these :)
Thanks so much! I'm really glad you've enjoyed watching them!
i'm doing the same
I've been watching your videos for a couple weeks and dude let me tell you the way you narrate these stories with your choice of music combined with it is GREAT, you really turned a simple fact with a little side story to a great video that's worth watching again and again.
Idk why your channel isn't popular enough but you deserve to be on top of LotR lore channels
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Awesome, I knew of Imrahil's ancestry but never before connected the dots to Faramir, Boromir, and the kingly line of Rohan 🐎
So in the end, both Gondor & Rohan, along with the Principalities od Dol Amroth & lthilien had rulers of elven blood & heritage. Sweet ❤️
No need to look through Netflix lists to find smth good to watch, your videos turned out to be just what I needed. Thanks for rekindling the desire to be immersed in this legendarium again, I have been putting off reading Tolkien in his original language for years (because the Turkish translation of the Lord of the Rings is phenomenal) but now I will finally order the books, I guess. Groovy be the moods of all :*
This is a really cool detail!! It's nuts that the Legendarium is so packed with knowledge that something as interesting as this can be completely overlooked!!
Thanks man. I'm not sure how I have gone so long overlooking this puzzle. I saw it, but just glossed over it.
I recently found your channel and really enjoy your stuff. Especially the series you did about Feanor.
This makes me wonder how common elf/man unions are in the Tolkien universe. It makes sense that Tolkien would only focus on the legendary characters, but it would be neat to have small, isolated kingdoms full of people with similar heritage. It would fit in well with my headcanon that there are also tribes of neutral, independent orcs/goblins who peacefully co-exist with their neighbors.
Thank you, I'm really glad you enjoy the channel.
I've often wondered the same thing. Surely Mithrellas and Imrazor can't be the only Man/Elf couplings outside of the main three. Especially in places like Central Mirkwood or coastal Gondor, where Elves and Men live relatively together. I'd love to see some more small-scale kingdoms of half-elves descended from Middle Men and lowly Silvan Elves. As for orcs co-existing with men, I guess we see something kind of like that with the orcs of the Misty Mountains and the Men of Dunland fighting together against a common enemy in the Two Towers. I'm not sure how well that alliance would have worked out once the fighting was done though.
The art you use is fantastic! I especially love the art for imrahil's knights.
I *LOVE* your videos. I beleive Faramir is pronounced FAR-ah-meer (not FAIR-ah-meer at time stamp 0:03) according to Appendix E of Lord of the Rings (same applies to Aragorn..more of an AH on the first syllable (like in Arwen) vs an AIR-ah-gorn pronunciation at time stamp 1:03) I am not trying to be rude or petty at all. I know you really care about Tolkien’s writings so I thought I’d speak up. If I’m wrong, please let me know! I’m still learning myself ergo, I’m watching ALL your videos(and maybe you already know what I’m talking about and this was just a slip of the tongue. I know I grew up saying some of these names wrong and will occasionally fall back on my old pronunciations)
I appreciate the attention to details. I pronounced Sauron as “sore-on” (the way it was pronounced in the Bakshi movie) in elementary school until I read the same appendix.
Damn just when I thought I had exhausted any chance of learning anything new about the Lord of the rings. I first read the books in 1977 but always something new pops up. Thank you for this one I always had questions about this statement Legolas made
Just a side note, not every human who has some elven blood in his/her veins is a half-elf. Only those born of a union of elf and man are, or well, elf and half-elf(but not the opposite, as in human and half elf, as it's the elven part that's dominant not the human) like in the case of Elrond. However being a quarter or less elf does not make one a half-elf.
You need more subs bro, your LOTR content is the best on youtube by far
i wholeheartedly agree!
Meanwhile, by boy Turin had at least two elf maidens loving and wishing him.
...and he ended up with his sister... He had a child with her. If not for that, both Turin and Nienor would have lived.
That prophecy about Finduilas being the only one standing between him and his doom turned out to be true.
Awesome video - as always! Love learning new things about ME and your presentation is top shelf awesomeness!
Thank you for all your hard work.
Great video! I have not heard of the exact Elven origin of the Princes of Dol Amroth and had assumed it was unknown.
I was a bit confused by one moment though (8:13 - "they too possessed the blood of the Eldar"). If Mithrellas was the sole source of the Elven blood to the line of the Princes of Dol Amroth, would that not make their blood part-Nandor rather than Eldar, since Mithrellas' ancestors never went to Valinor in the days of the Trees? Unless of course there's also blood from the line of King Elros, in which case there would be Eldar blood.
That's a very good question, they would be specifically Nandor (or Silvan) heritage, although the Nandor are still considered Eldar. Eldar simply refers to all the elves who began the migration from Cuivienen, not just the ones who made it all the way to Valinor. So the only non-Eldar elves are the Avari, who never left their ancestral place of awakening.
@@tolkienuntangled Thanks, that's a helpful clarification!
Wow! That was really cool fact! Seriously loved it!
Awesome video and style of narration/presentation. Subscribed! :)
I cried while listening while I begin to feel so light
Prince imrahil and his swan knights are my favorite characters that weren't in the movies
I loved Prince Imrahil in the book!!
Nice work dude
I think it's very likely that in places like Belfalas there may have been a population of Half Elven folk. The Numenoreans would have spoken Sindarian (Faramir still spoke it even at the end of the 3rd age) and been very friendly to Elves. That and the local Elves would surely have been impressed by theses Numenorean men and women who were enriched by the Valar. This tidbit that Tolkien leaves us suggests it may be so, since these two were basically nobodies who fell in love.
I think it's happened a couple of times without record. So many elves and men awol from the story. The royal lines that are in power get the details. I say the ones in power bc you would have some that are around not in power not talked about.
Mithrellas and Imrazôr’s story has a sad ending though, because one day she just fled into the woods with no forewarning and was never seen again. Some speculate Imrazôr must’ve been abusive to her, but I think she was just too afraid to watch her husband and children grow old and die and preferred to remember them as they were, and I imagine some Ents and/or Entwives helped her survive the forest and make her way to the Grey Havens where she could sail to rejoin her people.
Dol Armroth is my favorite faction from the
Lord of the Rings.
A video abou the feudal structure of Arnor, Rohan and Gondor would be great.
great video!
Amazing video
Cool stuff!
Not just Elvin Blood, Elvin and Numinorian blood!
I did not know this but I do recall reading that Prince Imrahil had eleven blood in him. It's nice to know who his ancestors were. I do wonder if the children of Imrazor and Mithrellass had the choice to make. Whether to be counted among the Eldar or the Edain.
they can’t, only the descendents of Earendil can choose, a privilege given for their deeds of saving the middle earth
If Legolas noticed Imrahil's elven blood, did he comment on Boromir having that small amount of elven blood too?
Interestingly, no he didn't.
Maybe since they are one generation later than Imrahil it was diluted just enough to be beneath Legolas's notice.
@@tolkienuntangled As far as I know Boromir and Faramir were half Brothers. Boromir's mother was from the middle men and Faramir's was from Numenorian line. According to Tolkien, Faramir was nobler and wiser by his ancestor's blood, and Boromir was fiercer and more passionate also by his mother's blood.
@@meleardil nope,they had the same mother, Finduilas of Dol amroth, Imrahils sister.
@@kim-andrekalleklev325 Yeah... I read it again... I was wrong.
In Anglo Saxon history we start to get names of men with "Aelf" (elf) in it ;)
Interesting. I always thought Imrahil’s Elven blood was because he was of Numenorian stock, so he descended from Elrond’s brother Elros, who chose humanity when Elrond chose elfhood.
my headcanon is that halfelves were more common that it seems
It is rather interesting to think that a little more elven blood has been put into the race of men, specifically into the men of Gondor, but I doubt that's going to stay there forever, giving them just a little bit more of a boost as they take full possession of Middle Earth with the elves leaving or holing up in their hidden realms.
Just wow!
2 questions. Are these 3 half elves the only cases or just the only documented (written about)? Also if I understand you correctly are Arwen and Aragorn related? Essentially 3rd cousins a time or 2 removed? Not hung up on it but just making sure I understand the family tree
1 - Imrazor and Mithrellas are the only man and elf pairing to make children that weren't one of the main three, but it's possible that it happened elsewhere and was never recorded. One of Galadriel's brothers was in love with a mortal woman, but they never married or had children so they don't really count.
2 - Yes, Aragorn and Arwen are actually first cousins although they're 61 times removed. That may sound gross, but I think it's a statistical fact that (pretty much) every single human being on earth shares a closer common ancestor than Aragorn and Arwen. Either it's okay for them, or everyone who's ever had a child is guilty of incest 🤔
@@tolkienuntangled thank you.
"Enriched" lmfao...
great
Hmmm, seems no elf dude wanted anything to do with human females....
Okay this so much blown out of proportion. Why do you think I say this? Because Imrazor also had Elven Blood as he was a Númenórean. Its like ppl seem to forget that the Númenóreans/ Dúnedain are direct descendants of Elros who is the brother of Elrond. Elrond is a half-elf so obviously his direct related brother Elros (who is the first king of Númenór) is also a half-elf (he just choose the gift of men). Its why Númenóreans/Dúnedain also have extended lifespans. You talk about Half-Elves yet you don't clarify that Dol Amroth was both populated by Elves and the people of Númenórean that already settled there before the Fall of Númenór. The Elves eventually left leaving its dominion to men. But as such the Númenórean (and as such Elven blood still runs) strong in Dol Amroth. So even if Mithrelass didnt marry Imrazor he would still have Elven Blood its just their blood line is stronger because of Imrazor & Mithrelass coupling. But beyond that they aren't anything special when it comes to men with elven blood.
Not all Numenoreans had Elven blood. The Numenoreans are descendants of the three houses of High Men who fought alongside the Elves in the First Age. Of the Numenoreans only the Kings of Numenor and the Lords of Andunie had elven blood since they were direct descendants of Elros the brother of Elrond.
Romantic Goat Eugenics
So, do only noldorin and sindarin half elves have a choice between mortality and immortality?
I love it when I find a nerd who loves to geek out about the minor stuff just like me.
I wonder why Legolas didn’t recognise it in Boromir?
As far as I know Boromir and Faramir were half Brothers. Boromir's mother was from the middle men and Faramir's was from Numenorian line. According to Tolkien, Faramir was nobler and wiser by his ancestor's blood, and Boromir was fiercer and more passionate also by his mother's blood.
@@meleardil they were full brothers.
And I thought human women were picky!!!
As this sub-legend begins with the completely implausible notion of a wood elf getting lost in the woods always has me put it down to fairytales, rather than fact.
The legendarium states that all men in this story or in the Tolkien universe descended from the elves in one way or another so this really isn't new information
Of course. The channel is about discussing less well known or understood parts of the canon. No one is claiming to have made brand new discoveries.
lol, too much lore to handle in the legendarium driving me mad....making my mind compute in circles ........ kidding... more lore....
As I've posted elsewhere;
Just to once more prove how fallen from times of grandeur WotC has sunk, in 2023, they decree that "half-race" nomenclature, is now "RACIST".
So "Half-Elven and "Halfling" are now racist I guess. Figures, as these Mensa drop-outs have destroyed so much of Gygax and Arneson's work, it is but a sad wraith and a pallid imitation of what it was.
I despise WotC, as much if not more so for what they are denying future D&D generations, than what they've done to desecrate such an incredible universe for us all to play in.
They have lost their way, entirely.
I always thought that Boromir and Faramir were half brothers. The information I was told was that Boromir's mother was from the middle men and Faramir's was of numenorian descent. And it was ironic that Denethor loved Boromir more sense he was obsessed with the legacy of Numenor and Faramir had the blood of Numenor in his veins while Boromir didn't.
He loved Boromir better because of his love for the first wife he lost. They were half brothers according to my knowledge as well...
@@meleardilThey were full brothers. Denethor preferred Boromir because he valued the warrior skills much more than the scholarly skills of Faramir. And also possibly because Faramir reminds him more of his deceased wife, and it’s just painful for him.
All Numenoreans are descended from the union between the Eldar and the Edain
That's not true. All Numenoreans are descended from the Edain of Beleriand in the First Age. They were elf-friends, but Elros (and his direct descendents) were the only Numenoreans descended from a union between Eldar and Edain. No one else in Numenor had Elven blood.
@@tolkienuntangled that statement you made is based on the idea that Tolkien never discussed it or spoke on it. Other Numenoreans being descendants of Elves fits perfectly with their greater lifespan and their eventually declining one. Remember in the beginning years of Numenor, Elves visited them regularly, that is most likely how they all gained greater lifespans
@@ObsidianAngiris Their greater lifespan is tranks to Eru and the Valar, a reward for being against Morgoth.
@@AnonymousAnonposter conflicts have been made on this, some say Eru, some say the Valar and some say Eonwe granted longer life
@@tolkienuntangled I'm sure you're right about the beginning of things. But in Real Life, it's the case that a goodly proportion of say the population of the UK has "some royal blood", simply because of all the minor royal lines that eventually fade into becoming commoners. Imagine for instance the future 10th level descendant of Prince Edward....surely will be a commoner rather than a royal?
In the same way, would Elros' Elven blood not have spread across Numenor and from there to the Dunedain of Middle Earth later on? Not that *all* would have Elven blood of course, but it surely would be quite a large proportion of Dunedain thousands of years later.