The History and Background of Night Vision - Part 1 of 2
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- We brought in Scott from Nocturnality to discuss all things Night Vision and distill out what considerations people need to account for when getting into night vision. This is part one of a two part series where Scott goes over the basics. The second video will deep dive into the details of things like spec sheets and other "nerd" stuff.
00:00 Lucas Intro
02:21 Scott from Nocturnality
03:57 New Buyer Challenges
08:12 Info New Buyers Need
10:24 Night Vision History
13:49 Why "Similar" Tubes Are Different
15:24 Factory Vs. Custom Night Vision
19:02 Image Tubes For Dummies
22:31 Entire Budget Into Tube "Quality"?
26:36 Too Much Information
28:57 Missing Experience Opportunity
30:15 Neglecting Fundamentals
32:31 Closing Throughts
33:14 Part 2 Coming Soon
33:48 Get Out And Train 
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This guy could be a politician. Literally talked in circles for over 90% of the video gave almost no real information. That's a talent brother.
Thanks for the heads up. Saved hours of our time all together
The title of the video should have been, The Continuous Preamble To Night Vison In Various Ways
I applaud the goal of this video but after 34 minutes I have no more information to help me buy night vision than I did before I watched the video. The only thing I got out of the video was what I need to research about night vision. What I was hoping for were answers to the the things that were brought up in the video. I hope part two will give more information things like the difference between L3 and Elbit intensifiers or bridged and articulating night vision. Looking to part 2.
Same, I've watched a lot of Brass facts and Hops NVG content, and in the same boat as you. Is L3 $1k better than similar FOM elbit tubes? This video didn't really answer any basic night vision purchasing questions.
As a guy who was issued NVG, I can say if you're looking at a G difference in cost, in NV, the real question is at $14k what's another grand?
L3 makes some of the best NV on earth.
If you're going to spend that coin, then yes, spend the added grand as they put more R&D and QC into their end product, largely due to the fact they end up with the lions share of the DOD contract, and do so for a reason.
I was leaning more into the digital NV just for cost purposes. Its a step into the NV world without killing wallet for years upon end. Im poor btw lol. Let's be real, not all of us can drop 15k -30k for panoramic L3. And if you can, then thats a major plus factor and I applaude you.
@silver4drrx828 digital isn't quite there yet to be used in the same way as analog NVG. Latency and battery life being the biggest issue.
@@ryanashby3640 I totally understand that and was planning on a external battery pack mounted to helmet. I know ypu have to "PAY TO PLAY" so dont get me wrong. Cheapest Ive seen autogated white or green phos single tube being about 4k used. PVS14 about 3k or less if used. Thats absolutely trusting the used category is 90%-80% true to word. But, my trust in people is thin nowadays when they say its good. Im just in between a rock and a hard place when it comes to any NVGs. Its probably best to just het new, but if ol boy is saying QC is fickle even in new gear, then whats the point of new if its 50/50
Before i watched this video, i knew very little about NV. After watching this video, I still know very little.
Agreed. I love the work, but would prefer more concise and relevant info.
Yeah have the same feeling. Basically all I got from this was 'go try before you buy'. The challenge would be if there was a way to distill down the hours of experience and $ needed to just feel out the environment into something more concise and tangible. e.g. I spend 2k on a unit or 3k on a unit how much better is it? Probably a very difficult task as I haven't seen it done yet.
A lot of people don’t realize after spending almost 10k on getting your nod, helmet, mount, laser, rifle setup then you have to find a place to shoot at night. That’s pretty difficult for some
@@cdun6969 lol your not wrong
That was a lot of talking in circles to say nothing of any specific help. This is only part 1 though.
It's amazing how he talked for over half an hour but there was less than five minutes where he actually said anything
I was not wanting to be a dink, but I thought the same thing.
Yeaaaah, and the whole “night vision wasn’t and isn’t developed with civilians in mind that’s why quality isn’t great on the newer” just screams “we can produce shittier products because the government has no one else to go to/it’s a contract”. This guy said a whole lot of nothing.
@@keiganhenderson3591 it’s just them gearing up to sell you non L3 tubes and say they are just as good and say don’t look at specs just trust us.
10 minutes in. And havent learned a thing 😂😂 this dude just rambles and rambles and rambles
Aww did you get offended because he insulted your favorite NV company?
For a video on night vision,
I sure felt like I was staring into the sun.
The basic of night vision… don’t be broke
The unfortunate reality we must all face.
Just start at 10:26 or really 19:03 and save yourself some time of just words and gripings
The hero we need
For real, Holy Sh. The first 20mins is night vision dry pamphlet info for R tarts. Nothing in the first 20mins helps you decide what to buy.
This guy's presentation method is terrible!
It's kind of sad that T-Rex had this goober come on here and give everyone a big nothing burger. Hop's night vision information videos are way better. And more entertaining, this guy is dryer than an MRE cracker.
@@almostontimehero5415 for real how can he talk so much and yet not convey any information?! Lol
Something that would be cool to see would be night vision testing days (well, nights i suppose).
Not even a rifle class, just a night vision shop coming to your town, letting you try and explaining everything for say $100, and if you buy something that's your first deposit. An informative try out and sales event. The absolute basics of how to choose, set up and use your night vision rig, how to not run into things and how to not destroy your expensive gear.
Go hunting with these.
Great video series but he didn't actually tell us anything in his video to give direction to our buying decisions.
This was more of a disclaimer video on expectations of night vision investment but not a buyer's guide in any way. He didn't talk about dual tube vs single tube, differences been housings, difference between green and white phosphor, the generations, auto vs manual gate etc etc.
Someone who watches this will have no more ability to make an educated purchase decision than before they watched this besides knowing it can be tricky. Hopefully the next episode will address all these points that make a big impact on your decision
Do I want a car, or NODS? this is a question every man must ask themselves.
Are you me?
Buy a cheap car and good NODS!
@@silvermine2033 I went this route and I'm about to be balls deep in a wheel bearing job this weekend lol
@@PastorDr.MartinSsempa What kind of vehicle? My Toyota has 238,000 miles on it and still going strong. With all the money saved by never buying new cars, that's more money for cooler more expensive guns and accessories!
@@silvermine2033 2006 Subaru Impreza outback sport. I didn't do myself any favors by lifting it and running oversized all terrains so I can drive down trails lol.
The most important thing I got out of the video, is that I need to do way more research into night vision
Summary: you're a confused first time buyer so use my services.
He was very vague about almost everything, from the history of night vision to commercial grade vs mil spec tubes, & even just simply what he recommends a first time buyer should purchase. Almost no actual useful information was presented to the first time buyer of nods. I'm not trying to discourage the guy, he seems like a really cool dude, but he needs to use less word salad and more clear cut talking points, if he can't do it freeform
That being said, he should do a part 2 , I'm not trying to hate on the guy
Still have no more knowledge about night vision then when I started the video. 😂
Going dark.
- Kasumi Goto
Going dark, in my wallet! 😂
Unwatchably bad video. This should have been an interview. Scott repeats himself endlessly.
good morenight
@@gilgamecha then make a better one.
There was like no actual information for that ‘95%’ of people to get or use night vision. He basically said don’t worry about the specs much just get one of my salesmen to tell you what is needed. Also come check out the classes I offer to learn some actual information.
I think they should have skipped this video and just released the second in-depth video.
I was really excited for this video but I’m 23min in and it feels like a whole lot of talking about what you’re gonna talk about. This further confused the topic for me. I still have hopes for the rest of this video and maybe part 2 as well. To be continued…
"This videos for everyday people."
The video: presented like a monthly military training designed to bore people to death without providing any useful information.
I bought my thermal monocular from Scott. He's a knowledgeable, good dude.
Thermal > night vision
@@carsonhunt4642 they each have their advantages. Thermal can't see through windows, and can't see IR lasers or be used for passive aiming through a red dot.
@@chevrofreak agree, it’s just all the effective war footage out of ukr has been from thermals, literally zero night vision.
Night vision great for the hike to the trenches, thermal for engagement tho
@@carsonhunt4642 Thermals are a lot easier to procure than Night Vision. All thermals are digital and while night vision can be analog and digital, hence the "NV is magic" thing Lucas keeps saying, all thermals are is a camera. Easier to repair, maintain and procure. They're also more readily connected to computers and data cards to record what they see so it's no surprise that's pretty much all you find floating around. Aside that, since all thermals are is a camera you don't have "choice" in the same sense as NV. For Thermals it's like how high do you want the fidelity, framerate, field of view and what do you want the cost to be? And that's essentially it.
@@carsonhunt4642you realize you can't just hit a button on a pvs14 to record like you can on thermals, right? Seems like you don't understand that.
Every other guntuber would have tried to make and present videos / topics like this themselves. Lucas literally knows he doesn't know everything, sets ego aside, and brings in an expert. This is why I support TREX.
Uh, it's an advertisement for the other guy's night vision company who he's business partners with and is going to sell his night vision products... This wasn't just informational haha.
@@maximusjoseppi5904 yeah some people are so naive. as if the information presented was so complex he couldn't have done it himself after learning it from the other guy. people love making up different reasons to justify being effusive for their favorite youtuber.
Stop simping on Trex or other influencers. They both want to make money hence the partnership.
@@maximusjoseppi5904 no it's not....
@maximusjoseppi5904 Obviously, they are partnering together.. I said nothing about the video being just informational. You are missing the point.
I don't regret buying nods at all. However it's extremely frustrating trying to find places to shoot and even harder to find anyone else with nods in my experience. I can't convince any of my coworkers or friends to buy it. Hiking at night can be somewhat sketchy too if you're alone. Getting used to the limited depth perception with a pvs-14 took me a bit and I found myself tripping a lot on roots and uneven terrain on trails. Does anyone have a good way of networking and finding other people or groups for doing night vision stuff? I'd rather not twist an ankle or get bitten by a snake or attacked by a bear in the middle of the woods by myself.
Find a gated community, check your local golf clubs, and wine tasting groups. lol I'm kidding, but only half so. We're in a recession my guy.
Bro, I can't even convince my friends to buy radios, let alone NVGs. Kind of frustrating. Maybe try talking to regulars at local, shooting spots since they might be more serious into this sort of thing.
Not everyone needs nvgs so why y’all frustrated because y’all wanna spend over a $1-2k on nvgs and they don’t? I mean I love shooting guns and shit but this ain’t fucking call of duty in a realistic situation y’all won’t need them unless we go to war with like Russia and China and they invade the us but that won’t ever happen. My god some people in the gun community are just retards by getting mad when others don’t wanna spend a shit ton on the gear they got
Hardcore airsofters - I’m serious. Guys who go to events like Milsim West rock real-deal kit like NODs and thermal. You may or may not get real gun crossover.
@@bentr0n I think there's an airsoft place in a town near me I'll have to give that a shot!
Was really looking forward to this video, but felt I didn’t learn anything. My ADD personality needs a subject broken down with limited but useful points. And that may have happened but due to my limited knowledge on night vision I wouldn’t know the difference.
I don't feel like this video helped very much at all in figuring out if/what I want to buy. I'd much rather more traditional trex video of "here's a bunch of stuff we've tried, here are the issues we run into and what to watch out for, here's the stuff we like the most for different situations". A history lesson on night vision may be interesting for some, but it feels like this video really went off topic from its stated goal at the beginning. I really wanted to see the video that was introduced, but what followed wasn't that video.
10 min in, "The 1st thing I'm gonna talk about..."
i lucked out buying my brand new pvs14 mar 2020 for 2,300 just before the big demand takeoff. I looked online to see what my rhino II costs to "replace" and I'm astounded at how badly inflated everything is now
Yup these inflated prices are pushing some to a Chinese knock off alternative
Last year I got my wp pvs14 for 2800$. Same ones on their website for 3800
Same here, green phos but brand new and clear as day. Really happy I didn't wait
Hopefully some Chinese companies can compete and lower the prices!
@@12monkey57 Holosun already announced an optic; so who knows maybe they'll take the next step and make a true monocular
I recently bought a photonis echo WP pvs-14 from Steele industries. Really excited to get to use it and learn. It was on sale for $2,300 so I snagged it. No payment plans or layaway just with the money I saved and was within my budget.
Any chance of an Isaac Botkin style overview video of NV? That format is really informative and information rich enough. Cheers
Love to see more high quality NV content, been seeing a lot of high quality stuff come out across youtube lately. Seems like Nocturnality and Night-line have really been leading the charge behind the scenes here. Keep up the good work, all of you!
10:28 you can start here or listen to a lot of repetitiveness
Would love to see some dedicated nv drills on the site. Keep up the great work. God be with you.
This is the kind of content that more guntubers should be making. Straight up, no BS, no politics, easy to digest information. That's how you get more people into 2A
The dislikes on this video are probably from people who have been listening for 10 minutes of the video (1/3) and are basically still getting an introduction lol
This is RUclips how can you even see dislikes??
@@vicdiaz5180 Browser plugins, same way we do things like block cookies and ads.
That’s bad writing and story boarding… if an audience has to wait 10-20 minutes for any form of media to get to anything that actually matters then yes it deserves a downvote.
This video is a great topic with absolutely garbage execution. The cutting room floor was left far too hungry
30 minutes into the video and I'm basically falling asleep.
Scott is a poor speaker and says nothing for ten minutes straight. This needs a brutal edit.
This was the most let me talk about what we’re going to talk about thing I’ve ever seen
This video needs to be retitled “how to learn about night vision.” Got to the end of the video and I still know absolutely nothing about night vision. But hey at least I now know that the internet is full of too much and bad information.
What's the Glock of NODs? That's all I need to know.
A much anticipated video I really needed. I love what you are doing guys but just this time the whole 34mns video could have been summarized in 5mns ... really really too much talks, too much words to learn what ... just a couple of interesting things. And despite those 34mns I am still lacking informations I could have liked to hear even if I'm not a nerd. Hope the part 2 of the video will be more well rounded ;) Continue the good work TRex, I really love what you're doing
I like this channel! This video was not great, however. I learned very little about which NVG to get and how to use it.
This seriously needs to become a 3-part series.
Just got my PVS-14 today, spent a few hours gooning around in the woods (no gun, but I brought my PEQ-15 to see how it would interact with the device), amazing timing haha!
Now should i get an IR laser first and then save for NVGs or the other way around? I can get a pretty steep discount on steiner products thats why im debating.
So what actually is the profit margin for night vision? Are the tubes and equipment that expensive to make or is the pricing based mostly on the gimmick and name? Because 45k for panoramic versus like 8k for binocular is a little insane
Does anyone know if you can take the tube out of a pvs 7 and put it into a different housing converting it to a monocular device?
I'm glad this video came out. Because I was confused in various areas of night vision.
Good timing. I was just thinking about investing in so night vision stuff. I’m assuming most others are too with how much content is being made recently.
I spend so much more time looking at the stars than I thought with my PVS-14s lol
Yeah it feels like you can see different solar systems 😂
The moon looks cool too. Also, in my experience the moon is the best reference for focusing on “infinity”
@@zukislumber I have some great pictures of the last super moon at 5000 ft in Virginia. I agree 👍 the moon is incredible
@@uh60ce1 where were you at? Shenandoah?
@@FlankerAvila yes and the Chesapeake bay.
Night vision is something I need to look into , I will be getting some advice from this video
I just started looking at PVS-14’s this week and then you drop this video. It’s 100% a sign I need to buy 😂
Truly Amazing how he said a lot, but nothing at the same time.
Scott is a man of utmost integrity! Hard to beat Nocturnality!
As a recent purchaser of night vision in someone that is very interested in the topic, please make more night vision oriented content. For those of us that are entering into this area, every ounce of information is valuable
Education...*
Hopefully part two breaks down the components a little bit more in detail.
this video definatly explained alot of unanswered questions but I still feel like I am in the dark on what type of platform or what type of tube to be looking out for. I think I want a white phos pvs14 gen 3 but is that what is realistic for what I will be doing with it?
I feel like most of this video is geared toward someone who has just got their first set, not a buyers guide.
Looking forward to part 2.
As a physicist who worked with photomultiplier tubes 20-35 years ago, and early charge-coupled devices (CCD Chips) that cost hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars for space-based applications, to higher and higher resolution and lower and lower noise and cost on the chips, I am amazed at how capable current generations are. When I was a Marine 40-45 years ago, the best phosphorous night vision scopes were like looking down a narrow tunnel and it toook a lot of experience to figure out what you were seeing. For perspective, the first i-phone camera had a more capable (high resolution, high dynamic range, low noise) than anything we could develop for any cost just a few years before the iphone was released. Gallium-Arsenide chips for IR were used way back then, but just like visible range, they could not compare in any category of quality to what is possible today. Just like a desktop or laptop computer, or large flat panel TV, the mass produced and relatively inexpensive technology today is going to be as good as the best thing you could buy at any price a few years earlier. Obviously, there will be price differences from one manufacturer to another in the quality of the optics and implementation of the available technology, but the underlying technology changes rapidly because the chips they use are used far more widely than for just night vision.
Rad video. Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you.
Hey Lucas I would like you to do a review on a canik handgun they became quite popular would like to see you review it and see if it is actually a good carry gun
Scott hooked me up with my pair of L3 white phos DTNVS and they're amazing. Great guy and great company to work with!
How much was that set up?
@@SeanTheMarshall those are around 12-13k
Thanks, it helped me get some direction. Great video!
really appreciate this video, im at the point in my readiness level that night vision is next on the list, but im a nobody with a regular job... spending that kind of money for one device is a bit scary and am VERY glad that this video was produced!
In the same boat brother hoping to go dark in the future though
The only information I need to know is that it’s priced way out of my budget. With that said, do u think the cheaper devices like the SightMark NV scope are worth having? Are they better than nothing or should I go the other route & focus on ways to camouflage one’s self from NV & get a hand held NV device for observation? I’ve seen NV devices for as low as $200 & ofc as high as PSV-14’s
That’s the direction I went. I purchased the Sightmark wraith 2-16 power. Is it as good as a pvs .. no. However , I now can see in the dark for 500$. I can see if others are running ir lights or lasers etc. So far the unit works great. Practical shooting range is 125 yards and under. Im going to purchase a decent thermal monocular next. It’s not as tacticool or intended for cqb but in a scenario of property security etc. I think it will provide better capabilities than the average person.
@@olderman2142 I’ve gotta cpl buddies that have the SightMark as well, they picked them up within the last month or 2 & swear by them. Ofc they said the same thing that these devices aren’t made so much for CQB. However how many ppl/groups/MAGs will really have top of the line NV? Especially if it’s a major SHTF/TEOTWAWKI event. How many of those ppl will make it past the initial event? I also believe a lot of the ones buying this equipment are ppl doing so to “flex on the gram”. I’m thinking ima pick up one of the SM’s, as well a hand held device. I’ve been looking into the thermal handheld device’s as well. Stay safe out there, I think us older guys also have the advantage of age/wisdom on our side. 🤜🤛
FINALLY! an educational video. There have only been 4 of those this year which is not big beak.
I just want to know what camera do you use to shoot these videos…
need to figure out what kind of nvg mount i can use to mount a PVS14 to the 6B47 helmet
I just got a pvs14 white phos, with a Coti earlier this month. I hope I don’t regret it after watching this.
Nah, you're solid.
How're you liking the coti? I also have a pvs14 white phos but debating if I want to bridge with thermal or go with a coti.
@@jaycee509 you should go with the coti
@@jaycee509 It's pretty situationally dependent and dependent on whether or not you're one of the people whose brain allows them to fuse the two images. COTI is nice for heatsource detection but not identification/recognition. If your use-case allows you to use an illuminator to identify unknown heatsources, this is fine. If it doesn't, you want to either pair it with or replace it with a dedicated thermal imager since COTI sensitivity is not very good due to the size and weight constraints. Note that a COTI will also reduce the light transmission to your I2 since the projection arm adding the thermal overlay blocks some light into the tube. I'd say it's around 15-20% light loss.
If you are one of those people whose brains will fuse a thermal image and I2 image when running bridged, that is a superior setup hands down unless weight is a very serious concern.
You know your in trouble when a 34 minute video trying to explain a topic leaves you knowing that you don’t know. A for effort but i don’t think this one accomplished it’s goal.
Your brothers video is still the best.
Looking forward to the 57th video where we begin to learn what we need to know.
At 28:13 that was not a mag change, mag never clears the well.
I think it was a malfunction but he thought it was an empty mag. Once he grabs the mag in the gun, he can feel its not empty and realizes it was just a malfunction, reinserts, gun goes into battery, puts away the mag back into pouch. Just my guess.
How much money should you spend for a top end monocular (PVS14 or custom build) Id rather have one good one than two that are "just okay". Plus, my ammo bill is already stupid.
Great job Scott, you're right, the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
Hey guys night vision is incredibly worth it! I went all out and got $9k l3 dual tubes off the bat.. recently got 2 more pvs14s for $1600 each and they work incredibly well in comparison. Only difference is seriously low light performance and obviously single vs dual. But it’s super usable, and can always take the tubes from both pvs 14 and get dual housing for $1000. Sell the pvs14 housings and you have duals for under $4000. If anyone needs help please get in touch, many more units around for good prices😁
How did u get pvs 14’s for $1600? Lowest I’ve found is around $3000
Same question ∆
@@hunterwht4947you can build one, carson milspec pvs14 kit ($700) surplus omni tube gen3 gp($1k)
Thank you! Keep on doing this kind of videos.
So the tube I was looking at was a pvs 14 type white phos, and thin filmed (if unfilmed was possible In my budget then I would) and I'm not picky most of my issued gen 2 14s with the green phos has a few blemishes which never really affected me especially after I got used to them. So minor blems is no issue. And of course that's essentially what trex arms is selling and cheaper than tnvc. I'm thankful you guys give me the ability to practice financial discipline.
Custom Night Vision has the exact same unit for $800 less and lets you pick the exact tube you want. Also even "Filmless" tube have a film.
@@N7Narc0sis I genuinely don't see how you can get a complete modern pvs 14 module for that price sounds like its a scam.
and unfilmed tubes are absolutely a real they have been around for a while just never could figure out the kinks now they have and allegedly the view is much more crisp and clear
Bought a RNVG from Scott, he was incredible to work with.
What about mounting systems? How do you attach the tube to your head?
Run the mono on the dominate eye or non dominate eye?
As far as circuit board and electronic manufacturing goes, there is a classification or spec quality of soldering that is required for military, class 3 production. In the lower class 2 you are getting pretty well made product that is going to have longer lasting performance and soldering quality. In the commercial products which is class 1, you just gotta have a connection of pin to pad that holds and makes contact and your good. when you see price differences in what looks like the same product, it is often due to the extra work and quality that goes into the government product.
@T.REXARMS Wow, I am so Excited! I love scam stuff that can not even get the area code correct. I will most definitely fall for this scam and text now.
fist tube came from nocturnality. Glad to see they got to put themselves out there more though trex.
I'd like to know things like the pros and cons to different housing (RNVG vs RPNVG for example, the pano seems better but does it limit other things, like seeing down sights since its angled)
I’m continuing to save for duals & will buy once, cry once. Appreciate this knowledge/info 🤙
I would love a video on the pro's and con's of the different thermal options there are. Clip on (those you can mount directly on your nvg's), hand held or weapon mounted. What is the difference in performance (like how far out can you detect a human with each of those options in similar conditions)? What is better for what?
Back at it again with another bbbbbbbBANGER
Are these units on the website gen 3 tubes
I still have no idea what Scott is talking about, but I’m here to try and learn as much as possible. I want night toobs.
Honestly I hope the part 2 has more content.
Anyone know what magpouch is on his plate carrier?
Thanks 👍🏻
What do you guys think about LLUL-21?
I have more questions than when he started. Seems like a legit dude. I think we need like 4 or 5 parts deep dive
Bravo six, going into debt
lucas, please test canik tp9, im from brasil , its a good pistol to buy, have low cost in BR, other guys says ''best trigger'', you is my reference, good pistol?
A lot of this went over my head as well. I'm personally just a plug the thing in and get to work kinda guy.
Thank you Lucas.
“This applies to 95% of nightvision buyers”
95% of the comments for the video- “That was a waste of time”
Y’all gonna have to start selling ballistic helmets and bump helmets now if you’re gonna sell nods! Which is AWESOME btw
very informative
Quit the pro delivery by Scott! Well done video once again! 👏😌
I have PVS 14 that’s over 3k FOM but it has a MEAN zone 3 blem. The thing is once I get busy I don’t even notice it 🤷🏽
Very wordy
"Instead of buying a house" lol
The biggest point this video makes is that you should seek experience with tubes. If you have a friend that has a tube or two(unlikely) or you can rent NV for a period of time, do it before you get into the game. It's one thing to know the specs, and another entirely to feel/experience the tube, mount, weight and whatnot.