Everything You Need To Know About Night Vision - Part 2 of 2
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- In this video Scott from Nocturnality talks about the specs of night vision, what they mean, and emphasizes what matters most when getting into night vision - TRAINING.
00:00 Lucas Intro
02:12 Tube Manufacturers
04:46 Gen 3 Considerations
06:19 The Data Sheet
10:21 Tube Selection
14:37 Tube Grades
21:27 How NV Works
24:02 How Our Info Was Gathered
25:27 SNR
28:05 High-Light Environments
28:49 Modular Transfer Function
30:20 Center Resolution
34:08 FOM
36:25 EBI
39:30 Halo
40:58 Less Relevant Specs
45:59 The Cosmetic Quality
53:11 Device Types and Features
59:16 Individual Goggle Features
1:11:33 Add-Ons and Accessories
1:13:43 Conclusion 
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Nvg’s don’t have to be all running and gunning either. I’m old, busted up, retired military and get the most joy out of my personal nvg’s night hiking with my dog and stargazing. Counting meteorites burning in and satellites flying over is very therapeutic :)
Here here. I've doubled the amount of time available to me to hike. Finished work, sun going down, guess I can't get out and up a trail. WRONG.
There's always at least one last 'run and gun' left in all of us. At least that's what I'm telling myself...
@@billydanzz Amen brother! That’s still in my gut as well (and always will be) when / if needed. It’s just not my main focus for enjoying the nods anymore
@@possibly_a_retard concur 💯 🫡
@@billydanzz night stalkers
Lucas: "Because this is an hour and a half video that most of you don't want to sit though......" Me: *cracks fingers and pours coffee"
I love how all of Lucas's videos have a cod mission brief vibe to it.
For those of you that are questioning buying from trex or really just want NVG's now... I pressed the "submit" button for payment at 10pm and got a phone call at 9am the next morning with Justin. He picked out my PVS14 and read me the specs and asked if i was okay with it. Not only was i okay with the specs he told me exactly what was going to happen next and then sent me an email with the spec sheet along with a picture through the tube about an hour later. Along with that, i received a tracking number a few hours after the spec sheet/tube picture with shipping info that was NEXT DAY shipping. Best experience i've had with customer service anywhere. Currently typing this while sitting in my backyard looking at the stars through my PVS14 lol
#1 thing you need to know: do not pay $3800 for a pvs14 unless its some crazy L3 filmless unit
accurate lol
@budget88Read SIEGE
Yup Steele industries have PVS 14 L3 unfilmed white phosphor for 4K and the Elbits tubes are only 3k
3800 is average for an elbit thin film pvs14 like they sell an L3 filmless is like 5 grand what are you talking about
@@grizzly_mint8204check n vision optics 3500 L3 all day.
Regardless of whatever NV you get. There are some ways to buy them.
1. Sell your car.
2.Sell your motorcycle.
3.Sell your organs i.e. kidney, testicle, etc.
4.Sell one of your kids.
Clip-on for the win! Sell a car.
Or sell a few of your 40 identical AR15s with nearly the exact same optics, barrels, and accessories, which all do the exact same job. Realistically people could afford a LOT of very high end gear but they decide they want an arsenal of guns instead of a few mains, each designed for a different task
Prepper rant incoming!
If you’re buying NVGs and you don’t have all your debt paid off and $5000 in savings over and above the money for your kit, then you’re probably going to fail long before it comes time to use your tubes. Barring the most unlikely events, any kind of collapse will take place over months or years. If you have nods and don’t have savings, then you’re going to wind up homeless and dead long before you get to use your nods. Thing only get worse from here boys. Pay off your debt. Save up some money. Then buy gear. If you have no gear right now, spend $2000 on a cheap kit with a rifle, magnified optic, light, and sling, and the ability to carry sustainment items. Water, rifle, ammo, food, survival items. In that order. Make sure you have 30-90 days worth of money in your savings account. Make sure you have enough food and water for 30 days minimum. Make sure you have 1000 rounds of ammo per weapon per caliber. Make sure you have a way to carry that ammunition. Then worry about nods.
Yeah, don't know why I'm even watching this, I'll probably get my NVGs when one of these guys shows up for food, water, or medical.
What magnified optics do you like?
Understood
@@mikehoncho4637 depends on your budget. I’ve had hands on time with the Acog in the military. Big fan of that. One of my buddies has the EXPS3-0 and a g33. That’s a really great option. But I’m a broke bitch and I like the primary arms SLX micro prisms. I’ve got the 3X with the 5.56 raptor reticle. Not too many rounds on it, but so far so good and it’s a prism so basically bombproof. Eye relief is the only real downside, but as I said, I had an M16 with a TA31 so I was trained to shoot nose to charging handle anyways.
@@amn1308 good point. Medical. Have medical. Train with medical. The red cross puts on some decent classes and at least in my area secretly local fire departments will teach a free class annually for CPR and basic first aid. If you learn nothing else, learn how to pack a wound and how to apply a tourniquet. Never forget proper TQ etiquette. Windlass strap open when stored. As high as you can, as tight as you can, as fast as you can. This saves lives every single day.
TNVC has a sale right now $4000 for a pvs14 a free helmet free mount free laser free ir strobe and free J arm. And it’s an elbit mil spec tube… that you can hand select
As a bonus TNVC will steal your credit card info and Uber around san fransisco!
multiple people have had their credit cards stolen/skimmed by TNVC. So I've heard. Multiple reddit posts about it.
You can hand pick from Elbit tubes from Custom Night Vision for 3k as well. How he's justifying the cost is serious mental gymanastics
@@N7Narc0sis I mean a helmet, mount, laser, ir strobe, and j arm for 1k is not bad.
Yes but paying less for a better tube is clearly a point of diminishing returns and if you don’t agree it’s because you don’t train and are one of those dummies who’s just been fooled into caring about certain “specs” 🫠
Great work lads. Lots of work ahead of you. Changing expectations in an industry as niche as this is pretty hard to do.
Great come back after part1. This is one of the best NVG series on RUclips. Thank you!
Very informative, appreciate all the night vision content as a new PVS14 owner.
I got a green elbit with crazy stats for 2300 because it has a blem on the bottom left. If you’re not trying to spend 4 grand look at blem units.
Too many obsess over the blems not realizing that your eye will pretty much see right past them. As long as there isn’t anything crazy in zone 1 it’s pretty much good to go
@@nb1916xactly, I’ve used it a bunch for hiking and hunting pigs. Not once have I thought “I should have spent another 2 grand to get a perfect tube”.
You can get a WP Elbit PVS14 and hand pick your tubes for 3k at Custom Night Vision
Excellent video, so much information 👍 All coming videos sounds important too. Thanks!
Scott got me into a set of panos. Dude is the best in the game. Hands down!
CAG approves...
Top tier content, Lucas. Thankful for you and the people at Nocturnality for this video
Lucas let the hater’s hate, you are one of the only A2 companies that really cares about absolutely sharing good information to all, thank you.
I’ve bought stuff from Scott at Noctournality a few times. Very happy with the service and quality.
There aren’t many companies that will bring this level of information to regular citizens. I’m grateful for that and for you listening to your audience.
Scott is a gem in the night vision business! He not only builds/sells night vision but is an avid user and a dang good shooter!
Thanks. I had to review it few times going back time after time due to density of real info packed into this monologue. Unfortunately it's not usual nowadays. Thanks once again.
I definitely prefer the longer, more detailed, thorough videos, whether they are technical or interview in nature.I watch and listen to them while I'm working on something else during the day or evening. If while doing that the video gets into something that requires more intense concentration fora few minutes, I'll switch my concentration to the video. I might even replay that portion 2 or 3 times. Also, I frequently watch or listen to the same video multiple times. Sometimes I download videos for my library. You never know when these videos will be removed from RUclips.
It takes a huge amount of wasted time to just sort through channels or RUclips in general to pick the next video to watch. For that reason, For topics of serious or technical or instructional nature (for example, equipment reviews) I don't like video Shorts or other shorter videos or videos in which the maker rushes through the presentation or talks fast to make the video as short as possible. For most videos I have to set the playback speed to 75% in order to keep from having to rewind and replay portions.
I do like to watch the comical entertaining video Shorts while chilling.
I just got the 3d files email and I would like to Thank Trex arms and every employee there personally for being one of the coolest companies out there. What your doing is really making a difference in the industry and sholting culture away from fuddery. I appreciate the he'll out of it. Thank you.
Difference between filmless and thinfilmed? Didn’t catch it in the video, apologies if it was there.
Great timing for the video. I was just wondering about getting into night vision
There is no wonder. Only do
Don’t forget that clip on thermal.
Thanks for this video gentleman, very informative
Just got my first PVS14 yesterday and I'm glad I made the right choice based on some of the information here
How is it hiking over uneven terrain?
@@musicman1eanda a little difficult for me personally. I have to take it kinda slow
Looking forward to your other videos on night vision!!
Excellent video!. Thank you T.REX. and thank you Scott.
Thank you for the content
I spent months of research and didn't know many things in the video. Thanks for breaking this down in one place.
The opening of this should have been "we screwed up the previous video" not "here's what you misunderstood".
No shit right, I was like me and a 1000 other viewers would disagree lol.
A true masterclass. Anyone looking to spend $1000s of dollars on NVG would be doing a disservice skipping this video.
The biggest benefit you guys bring to the industry is education. I appreciate information and education based on logic and the experience you guys bring.
Appreciate this, keep it up guys
You guys have put out some pretty solid nightvision content. Do you have any plans on putting out info on thermals in the future?
You just want an SNR over 30 a lp/mm at 72 or under but over 64. And a gain over 60,000. At that point they are all basically the same. a high SNR does help allot in very dark areas (cloud cover+tree cover/indoors) . But will make little difference under starlight.
is a thermal monocular a suitable effective nv alternative on a budget say vs an nvg monocular like a pvs14 ?
What I was hoping for at some point was a simple chart or discussion of the primary tubes that are actually available that tells us at different price ranges what the important specs are of those tubes or brands that use those tubes. A chart showing commercially available goggles with their specs that you've spent so much time explaining to us (and I do appreciate that) would be very useful, and then you might say something like, "Note that these XYZ goggles are better in almost every aspect than other NVG's at that price range, but they do lack a couple of nice features like infinity focus and aren't quite as good in a very high light environment because of ...".
Other companies provide that and give side by side image comparisons to give you an idea on how much a difference a certain spec increase is going to give you so that you can decide if it’s worth it to you to pay more for the increase you’re going to get. The reason they aren’t going to do that here is because they’re trying to convince everyone that it makes sense to let them not let you pick or know your specs before buying and to still pay more than you can get the same hand picked product for from other companies. It’s pathetic.
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@user-mw9yh4cu2i going through your comment history shows how you're a hater. Maybe make your own videos explaining night vision and gun related content, instead of hating on those who help others.
Great info, thank you!
Is EBI responsible for issues with depth perception? Cause I would notice while in service there would be times where my depth perception would just go out the window because I couldn’t tell where certain objects started or end. I understand inherently that will happen but does that make it worse?
Honestly this video destroys 80% of Sam Houston's paywall business
Any plans to make a Crye Nightcap/skullcrusher competitor from nylon and tegris, for an easy to transport head mounted system for your night vision?
Tracer Tactical
This image intensifier business is more like the chip business (as in silicon lottery) then I realized.
Yup, just like silicon lottery, here we've got the micro channel plate lottery :P
That's an apt comparison!
Should of had Isaac on this!
Ok skip part 1!!! It is all here! Great video!!!
Glad to have a comprehensive "break down" vid on specs and how to choose a device but I will say a lot of people are really pissed off on how T Rex arms is marketing their night vision devices, one point being made is how expensive the nods are t rex is selling with no hand picked options or spec sheets. Despite what the vid says, which from a business perspective is coming from someone trying to sell the products on t rex arms site, people do want to see spec sheets and know what they are buying. I know Lucas said a rep calls the customer prior to the order being processed so I am unsure if that's when a spec sheet is gone over but I know I personally did a lot of research before buying my first duals from tnvc and talked with them both via email and phone calls.
This helps me as a new NVG user. Bought a photonis echo WP pvs-14 from Steele industries. Love it so far
as a PC gamer. the tube grades remind me a lot of how CPUs are made. There is a good bit of chemistry that goes into making a tube. It's a lot like baking a brownie. The corner pieces are the best. even though the rest of the brownie is still good. Like a i9 chip after testing gets listed as an i7 because it is not stable or a few of the cores are bad.
never knew that was one of the distinguishing factors. dope info dude
Cool video. All I know about night vision is that my camera uses infared light to see in low light.
Well done!
Im sure this guy's knows a everything about night vision, but his performance is a bit confusing imo. He often talks in circles, repeats things with no real information value, says contradictory things often then sometimes talks about something really specific in great detail but with no context.
I feel like that even if it doesn't create more confusion it doesn't really do a great job helping people understand night vision better.
I'm not trying to be hostile. He's clearly not used to this kind of act of explaining things in this specific manner. It would probably be benefitial to prepare a more thorough script and stick to that.
It would help a lot to make sure the actual information reaches the viewers. It would also do wonders for the pacing and would help to avoid talkint in circles.
Agreed.
Like the first 15mins of this video is pretty much say “spec numbers don’t matter”.
He has a really hard time explaining what he knows to laymans.
Is this revision 6.0? How many times with NV be covered? I’ll hold off until next week’s NV all you need to know video.
Are they still making good gen 3 tubes for pvs7?
So just buy Gen 3 got it
The company or brand of clothing you wear sometimes with the OP logo i know its hiking gear or rei stuff i just can't figure out what the exact brand is if you could tell me i would greatly appreciate it i know they make high quality stuff that looks like good clothes and wanna checkout more of their stuff
Arc panning bridge allows articulated pods and panning in one unit, it also allows switching between bino and panning modes without having to adjust IPD at all.
I have one and its absolutely amazing, anyone interested in duals should look into it
The ultimate Chad NV gear is a comically large mag light used to blind/bludgeon nerds with panos
Tell me you have no clue how NV works without telling me you have no clue how NV works. 🤔
so the data sheet numbers dont matter but the best tubes are the ones with the best numbers?
Dakota Meyers pops a blood vessel every time Lucas posts a video like this. 😅
What does it mean that manufacturers rewire tubes for manual gain?
All manufacturers of tubes that I'm aware of, deliver manual gain variants with the connections ready from factory.
The only one that I'm not sure about is hanamatsu.
Wow exceptional resources and work. And same voice as Rob Skiba, identical
My personal feeling is that the dominance of photomultiplier tube based solutions will eventually get displaced by products based on high-sensitivity visible light camera sensors (which can also pick up enough IR to be useful with IR-based targeting). Lots of progress in that domain. This will also allow more meaningful integration with other accessories - providing data overlays, thermal overlays etc. By the time that the component costs are reshuffled, the system costs should still be somewhat reduced. Though, the simplicity and ruggedness of photomultiplier tube solutions will keep them popular for government customers for a long time.
This is not possible in the near term
@@Andrewsky347 Indeed, with the biggest obstacle being (unavoidable) higher power consumption and therefore the additional weight/complexity of larger batteries. Ergonomics will suffer, which is why current tube based products will remain popular for years to come. That said, I work with a major image sensor manufacturer and I based my judgment on their progress with R&D this year. There is rapid improvement.
Which one works best with those of us with glasses?
Any unit with adjustable diopters (pvs-14 style) will be great for corrected vision. Edit: corrective vision :)
I'm not new to NVG, but video was very helpful. I'm not a pro but I have years of experience in as a Leo
Very good information but somewhat disappointed that shelf-life and tube age was not addressed.
What video is this from?
Can you do a review on the “fightlight mcr”?
More vids=happier me
While on the subject of night vision. How about a white light movement tutorial? How does one run on rough ground at night and shoot carboard (that could shoot back) using visible lights?
You gotta tilt your head up and look under the the nvg
😊For Vets/Fire/EMS, anyway, Optics Planet has deep discounts. I got an Armasight MNVD-51, (wanted wider detection, and don't mind fisheye) Gen 3 Ghost White, Pinnacle tube, 2376 FOM, with goodies for $3170 out the door, which was the best tube I could buy for that money with a war on in Europe. No Gen 3 tubes cheap anymore.😢
If the average viewer of this channel can't sit and watch and learn for an hour...there is something wrong
We'll just have to train them... by making longer videos.
or maybe Scott rambling for an hour about topics he could have covered in 20 minutes
your prices are outrageous
Oh no Lucas there was no confusion about part 1, it contained 0 content.
I love my mystery meat photonis Echo WP pvs14 I aquired on Tac swap for $1200 + glock 19X trade. no spec sheet but holy crap is it crispy, literally no detectable blems. I got it from a country bumpkin out in rural Texas who had no clue about the nuances of night vision. It works as well as I would ever need as far as lighting conditions go, and I now use it with a sidekick 640 in a dual band setup. I dont think I will ever go for a "super nice" 24UM L3 tube because if I ever encounter extremely adverse lighting conditions (dark AF, pitch black) I will be relying on either my IR illuminator or the thermal image which could care less about lighting conditions.
I feel like NV’s are great for movement at night but the new meta is definitely thermal just ask the Russian v Ukraine conflict.
Yeah thermal is the way to go
Although for walking around thermals have to much latency and would get nauseating fast
@@dakotareid1566 agreed also with thermals i would argue are more user friendly. Also you dont have too worry about giving yourself away with whatever IR illumination you need to use a night vision device.
My dream setup is the mh25 bridged with a pvs14.
hi lucas what is your fav rifle?
Definitely a lever 30-30 of some sort
Video is 12 minutes old but I’m looking for the comment that explains the full hour and a half video lol
It was posted six minutes ago.
First 15 mins in summary: all the numbers don’t matter.
There I saved you 15mins of you time.
You guys should sell helmets on your site, I think it would be a nice addition beings that you have night vision which is a helmet mod.
Psa dagger video?
8 grand for Elbit Rnvgs? Cmon Lucas.
Is that not a standard price for dual tubes? From what I've seen it is, but I'm relatively new to nods
@Jim-ed3ej you can get WP XLSH elbit tubes for 2k with the same or similar specs. You can easily build out a brand new device like that with new Carson lenses for 6.5 or even less if you know where to look or get everything used. People barely use their nods anyway, so everything that's used will be almost brand new anyway.
So 1k for lenses, 1.5k for the housing, 4k for tubes. Total of 6.5k. Look for all used components and youre looking at probably 10-15% less than that.
The NVG market went well for you lol 😂
Queer Eye for the NODS guy 😉
I'm not sure why the Elbit XLSH tubes are so looked down upon? 1 very small blem is not an issue to me. Spend that extra money on other gear to mount it.
As an owner of one - I believe it's usually what doesn't show up in the technical data sheets that gets them DQ'd from being binned higher. Things like a whiny power unit, distortion, fixed pattern noise, or an uneven thin film perhaps? My unit's got a bit of visual distortion(fisheye) and I didn't know that before buying it. I didn't have a picture of a grid, nor did it show up in the specs.
I have 2 of them and they work great! Got really good deals on them. Now I have looked through some L3 filmless and yea they are a little nicer as far as clarity but there are other things that I prefer over the L3 mainly cost. I do use my NVGs alot so I just have accepted what I have and go use it.
I got my tubes for 330 each off a guy on facebook, theyre barely blemmed too 😅
US night vision pulled a tube for me with the specs I wanted. Very kind of them. I think it is a big part of the fun to look for the specs you like. Just saying they all don't matter very much is sort of misleading from a guy selling you gear.
For a person who has never purchased or used night vision this makes no sense. How can they know what specs they like?
Research. Learning what each one means, then considering what is important to you against the budget your willing to allocate to the project.
Good morning "Luke"💞💞💞
All I needed to know is night vision is expensive so I'll never have it.
I guess any other electrical components attached to the tube will affect its rating.
Get you a cheap used 14 gp for your first unit.
Im just a poor boy....LOL. I have a 2nd generation ATN IR scope and an entry level ATN thermal. Love them though. I am not at the level of any of the gear on your bench.
I wish I would have known before my uncle spent my money on some random website to get me a pair of nvg. He spent over 3 k on superior tactical and I ended up with a gen 2 wp with hella burns of some sort in the center of the tube with only one small black blem I asked them about it and they said it passed inspection so I sent it to any mother company and they told me I was screwed over and given a really old and bad tube And it should have never passed and they will not get ahold of me or anything and said sorry our warranty will not cover it. I didn’t notice it for the first two weeks until my dad pointed it out when I showed him them he looked at a wall and pointed it out with the ir light on. So now I’m out and have a junk pair of nvgs and I’m super upset. So STAY AWAY FROM SUPERIOR TACTICAL.
How many times can you say diminishing returns?
Anyone else getting nothing but Harry Potter results when you google search this guy 😂
Blue Jean operator did a great review on the SomoGear PEQ-15 and how it held up pretty well under fire
That video and this video may go hand-in-hand for some people
BTW, TNVC and ATN make some really nice tubes
I don't recommend the somogear. It's not a solid unit. If your broke I think your stuck with a stiner OTAL-C for quality. Somo just doesn't have good adjustment nobs and the laser will drift if bumped.
@@ethanbarnes3973I dunno, I’ve seen quite a few reviews of the somogear unit here on RUclips. I’ve seen them put through the ringer and still come out holding zero just fine.
ATN you say? I've learned to avoid ATN for TWS. Their reputation in that space is terrible.
TNVC just let a bunch of card info become compromised. Hundreds posting about obscene charges on their TNVC - specific virtual cards. Wouldn't recommend
I have a somogear potted PEQ15 on a mk18. Haven't got a ton of rounds through it, but the ~150 I have put through it, it's held zero.
Somebody make a housing with Auto focus like on a professional camera
1:15 min video on night vision with no discussion of mounts? I never get that hour back....
Im just training more on my rifles and gett that down before i even jump into night shooting. Totally different world and nowhere near the same. Id get good on your kit and guns first. But hey Instagram and digital dopamine are more important. Who can get the clout ... That's pretty much everything in todays world
Save money and build a PVS-69!
You're taking advantage of people who trust your brand, who know next to nothing of night vision, making them overpay for unverifiably spec'd tubes. I support your company, i use your products, but you need to take a look at what others in the industry have as the standard, bc you do not meet it.
Please explain. You sound like you have some insight yet state nothing but conjecture
@@ryanburbridge Trex Arms is selling tubes with no listed grades or specs at greatly inflated prices. It is industry standard practice to either list the individual tube specs and spot reports or the grade.
@@destroyerofgearHaven't you heard? Anyone who doesn't sell night vision the way T. Rex Arms does is gay.
@@ColeMD17 to be fair Lucas had a point, the NV industry is full of questionable business tactics, lots of bloated margins, and rampant snake oil salesmanship. He seems to be continuing some of those business practices though which completely undermines the otherwise valid points.
We're going to see increasing prices due to the export ban on Germanium and Gallium from China, because alternate sources will then be sourced and demand through those bottlenecks will increase the price.