There was a kill switch that clone died that he fought and killed. So many times had one invader was still able to move even with the suit turned off Silas I think!! But beating him was different than beating the emperor with your suit turned off
And that's EXACTLY what old Man Palpatine COULDN'T have, a FULL "FORCE" Anakin/Vader always "hanging around, on the scene" and "breathing down his neck."
Imagined him in a Grievous-esque body, but getting rid of even more of his biological parts, and with that midichlorians, would probably reduce his power too much
Honestly i would love to see a sequel of the white vader alternative storyline. Hell if disney would make it a series or movie i would seriously consider getting disney+ just for that!
The clone wouldn’t of had the same force potential as the original body. Plus vader uses the pain and anger at Obi Wan’s inflicted wounds to fuel his dark side power so it wouldn’t be in line with the character. Also only palps knew of the knowledge of cloning and soul transfer and hid it from vader just as Plaguies hid certain knowledge of immortality from palps.
I've heard this before and have always had a question about it. Even in canon novels, they have Vader having extra suits, and sitting, meditating outside of his suit. One comic shows him with his entire suit off. Also, Rogue One shows him in a bacta tank without his suit. So why can't he put the new, upgraded suit on instead of the old one?
It’s the fact that he had basically no chance of survival without his current suit, maybe a 5% chance but still extremely unlikely. He could have used the force; channeled his rage within the process but it’s very risky.
Sometimes there are those like us who can't feel anything except physical pain and misery which is the only thing that reminds us that we're still human.
I mean, Vader could upgrade his suit, but it mostly depends on when he does it. I got a few ideas on what his suit could be like. -Keeping the original suit's life-support system and breathalyzer so that the new suit doesn't accidentally kill him on the spot. -Have the suit's life-support systems covered in protective plating so that it doesn't get damaged in battle. -Armored plating covering his entire arms, torso & lower legs (similar to a Mandalorian). -Said armored plating be composed of a light-weight metal alloy that's resistant to pretty much anything, including lightning. Jedi/Sith clothing being made of very durable fabric. -His iconic helmet & black cape (inside of cape being a dark gun-metal grey). -Dual Crimson Light Sabers (1 is his iconic Sith Lord saber and the other is Anakin's saber that he took from Luke). -His old Jedi Starfighter that he'd have ordered refurbished & modified up to Imperial standards so that he doesn't have to fly a Tie Fighter (Also because he missed flying his old starfighter). *Not important to Vader's new suit, but wanted to add it in just because* I'd add more ideas to it, but I think this is good enough.
When it comes to What if's and Darth Vader, I like the idea of Darth Vader becoming Anakin much earlier and being a good guy. For example the fan fiction series "Double Agent Vader." I really like the idea of Vader became a good guy and was working to take down the empire from within.
Maybe that is why he was never quite able to catch the rebels. He was doing just enough to appease the emperor. But Not enough to stop the downfall of the empire.
It's a 70s movie. He appeared besides clumsy C-3PO, the original movie had another setting, no fancy fighting at all, storm troopers with impractical helmets, who most of the time missed their targets when shooting... The suit imagined today doesn't fit into the original fantasy. The famous scene with him stopping blaster fire with his hand wouldn't work. The franchise has jumped the shark long ago, including questionable theology. For lack of better words, it's a mind f.
The improved, upgraded suit doesn't have to be permanently comfortable, but it could have torture devices installed, which cause him on command pain. Those could help him to focus on the dark side.
I wonder if Palpatine was concerned about a cyborg like Vader being able to actually control the galaxy. Palpatine rules through fear but also admiration. Especially in the beginning.
I do think that Vader upgraded his suit a little over time--it does change cosmetically between Episode IV and Episode VI--but I also think that after Mustafar, Vader was nowhere near as powerful as Anakin Skywalker had been and was no longer "The Chosen One." A very powerful Sith, yes, but now only a pale shadow of what Anakin was. He lost that forever, IMO.
Vader was basically a cripple . A powerful cripple , but still a cripple. Once a fighter has a weak spot it can be used against him. Sidious made sure that his force lightning would be Vader's undoing. What Sidious did not realise is push someone too far and they will take you to the grave with them. Anikan become Vader to save someone he loved. When Sidious was going to kill Luke it was a step to far and Vader made the ultimate sacrifice. Sidious just did not understand what a parent will do to protect their children. This was Sidious's weakness.
So he was afraid of dying for the upgrade.....Vader was making adjustments to the suit while being detached from his cybernetics in a bacta tank. As for the pain part, he never screamed pain in the suit until he was hit by someone. He screamed agony from the table after his fight with Obiwan on Mustafar while being transferred to the suit. In the "Into the Fire" comic series, he could adapt cybernetic parts from droids, this was after Palpatine dismembered him with the force and casted him to the shore on Mustafar. When he came back to Palpatine to get his suit repaired, he could have chosen to be put to sleep but chose to be awake to feel the pain of the operation.
I think a what if story should have Vader somehow be incapacitated and upgraded by someone else. Also they could grow him new organs and not only restore but enhance his senses but give him advanced cyborg legs, and arms. The motivation would be Palatine made an emeny of someone and they felt the only person who could possibiliy kill Palatine was an enhanaced Vader.The Night Sisters who be a good candidate for that role. Revenge for stealing Darth Maul from them. Their understanding of the dark side would be an asset. I feel that is the only way it could happen because ultimately to me Vader didn't upgrade his suit beause his guilt told hm he deserved the pain the suit gave him. So Vader's dark twisted self hate mindset that fueld his power would be intact and he has an awesome new suit.
Did that for many years with tabletop role playing games from WEG to WotC, like during the 1990's ... as teenagers. Then throughout my twenties at public gaming shops. a.) Leia and Vader stranded on an ocean coastline. Roll difficulty DC16 on 1d20 or 4d6, or 2d10 for Vader to resist the impulse to drown someone. b.) Vader wakes up in a café without his armor feeling numb, with two posters of him, .. i.) Proud clint of Hair Club for Men. ii.) Shave head skin care wax. iii. small groups of women complementing his blue eyes. Pain is gone from nerve clipping/chipping, and on some really good juice so its not a turn to the lightside..
Seeing that in the "reality", as seen in "Rogue One" and "Obi-wan", Vader has no problems with being repeatedly removed from his suit and its life support system, the real answer to this question is "this is actually the best suit Vader could possibly get".
Self-torture by choice there's a reason beneath the mask it wasn't a solution for Anakin and possibly totally his own choice but there's a sacrifice of his own making. The Emperor did choose what would come next because he knew the way things were to come as a Sith and could see the future events of some. Though it was just possibly a lurker into the dark side of the Forse set before the events ever happened by someone other than the Emperor. The question of who was more powerful than the Emperor remains unanswered. Was there more than one Sith order?
If he would have had that suit done to peak ability Luke would have never stood a chance. So maybe in his mind he was actually giving his son a chance. Who knows
Palpatine would have killed Vader the moment his usefulness terminated. Palpatine wanted to rule and would destroy Vader if he tried to make any favorable changes
This is a mute question, the suit is so iconic that it wouldn't be Vader anymore. It's that simple, he is an iconic bad guy from the original trilogy, so changing anything significant to his character just wouldn't work.
Are there other ways to do it??? Gaming...extremely difficult training...if you train on an extremely difficult firing range...it extends to your kill potential...even outside firearms...because that was the wish...
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he feared palps so badly that he could never be fully certain that there wasn't a kill-switch somewhere in that suit. severe stockholm.
There was a kill switch that clone died that he fought and killed. So many times had one invader was still able to move even with the suit turned off Silas I think!! But beating him was different than beating the emperor with your suit turned off
It’s the epitome of Awesome but Impractical. It looks cool but it’s the only thing keeping Anakin ALIVE!
Vader wouldve been unstoppable with a upgraded suit
And that's EXACTLY what old Man Palpatine COULDN'T have, a FULL "FORCE" Anakin/Vader always "hanging around, on the scene" and "breathing down his neck."
Strong enough to punch through blast doors WITHOUT Force augmentation, and as nimble as an acrobat. I can't even imagine.
Imagined him in a Grievous-esque body, but getting rid of even more of his biological parts, and with that midichlorians, would probably reduce his power too much
Vader still is extremely powerful fully adapting to his current suit but yea would be scary as if he did upgrade.
Darth Vader video is perfect for Valentine's Day
That thumbnail is freaking dope. Definitely gives Ironman vibes
Because it's an AI rip.
The way i see it is Palpatine would have seen an upgraded suit as an act of opposition and would of stopped vader from making major modifications
Honestly i would love to see a sequel of the white vader alternative storyline. Hell if disney would make it a series or movie i would seriously consider getting disney+ just for that!
Vader cloning himself a new body (with improvements) & transferring his consciousness into it would have been a better alternative to a new suit.
Oh goodness, i wonder if that was the basis for cloning Starkiller in TFU2
The clone wouldn’t of had the same force potential as the original body. Plus vader uses the pain and anger at Obi Wan’s inflicted wounds to fuel his dark side power so it wouldn’t be in line with the character. Also only palps knew of the knowledge of cloning and soul transfer and hid it from vader just as Plaguies hid certain knowledge of immortality from palps.
I've heard this before and have always had a question about it. Even in canon novels, they have Vader having extra suits, and sitting, meditating outside of his suit. One comic shows him with his entire suit off. Also, Rogue One shows him in a bacta tank without his suit. So why can't he put the new, upgraded suit on instead of the old one?
Exactly. All this speculation and theories on why this or that for Vader not upgrading or switching suits are just mental masturbation.
Looks Like Iron Man Darth Vader 😂
Darth Iron
Beskar armor would have been awesome...
It’s the fact that he had basically no chance of survival without his current suit, maybe a 5% chance but still extremely unlikely. He could have used the force; channeled his rage within the process but it’s very risky.
homie lived in a literal iron maiden
His suit controls are so dependent on the software that upgrading and possibly bricking the controls was a chance he couldn't take.
Sometimes there are those like us who can't feel anything except physical pain and misery which is the only thing that reminds us that we're still human.
That suit concept looks amazing
I mean, Vader could upgrade his suit, but it mostly depends on when he does it. I got a few ideas on what his suit could be like.
-Keeping the original suit's life-support system and breathalyzer so that the new suit doesn't accidentally kill him on the spot.
-Have the suit's life-support systems covered in protective plating so that it doesn't get damaged in battle.
-Armored plating covering his entire arms, torso & lower legs (similar to a Mandalorian).
-Said armored plating be composed of a light-weight metal alloy that's resistant to pretty much anything, including lightning.
Jedi/Sith clothing being made of very durable fabric.
-His iconic helmet & black cape (inside of cape being a dark gun-metal grey).
-Dual Crimson Light Sabers (1 is his iconic Sith Lord saber and the other is Anakin's saber that he took from Luke).
-His old Jedi Starfighter that he'd have ordered refurbished & modified up to Imperial standards so that he doesn't have to fly a Tie Fighter (Also because he missed flying his old starfighter). *Not important to Vader's new suit, but wanted to add it in just because*
I'd add more ideas to it, but I think this is good enough.
When it comes to What if's and Darth Vader, I like the idea of Darth Vader becoming Anakin much earlier and being a good guy. For example the fan fiction series "Double Agent Vader." I really like the idea of Vader became a good guy and was working to take down the empire from within.
Maybe that is why he was never quite able to catch the rebels.
He was doing just enough to appease the emperor.
But
Not enough to stop the downfall of the empire.
They only thing Vader ever feared was losing padme.
It's not for the suit, that he loses to Luke! He never willingly fought with Luke with full power! He hold himself back on purpose!
It's a 70s movie. He appeared besides clumsy C-3PO, the original movie had another setting, no fancy fighting at all, storm troopers with impractical helmets, who most of the time missed their targets when shooting... The suit imagined today doesn't fit into the original fantasy. The famous scene with him stopping blaster fire with his hand wouldn't work. The franchise has jumped the shark long ago, including questionable theology. For lack of better words, it's a mind f.
I would be really interested in exploring this in said "What if" series. It probably would have changed Vader's/Anakin's outcome completely.
Whoa! I love the thumbnail! 🥶🥶
The improved, upgraded suit doesn't have to be permanently comfortable, but it could have torture devices installed, which cause him on command pain. Those could help him to focus on the dark side.
3:55 which version of the Imperial March is this?
I think this beats iron man’s upgrade in endgame if vader had that suit in the thumbnail
Really makes you wonder what an anakin with general grievous like parts would have been like. Weaker or stronger.
I wonder if Palpatine was concerned about a cyborg like Vader being able to actually control the galaxy. Palpatine rules through fear but also admiration. Especially in the beginning.
1:57 looks like if iron man upgraded his suit 😆
I do think that Vader upgraded his suit a little over time--it does change cosmetically between Episode IV and Episode VI--but I also think that after Mustafar, Vader was nowhere near as powerful as Anakin Skywalker had been and was no longer "The Chosen One." A very powerful Sith, yes, but now only a pale shadow of what Anakin was. He lost that forever, IMO.
Just goes to show you the power of friendship....
Vader was basically a cripple .
A powerful cripple , but still a cripple.
Once a fighter has a weak spot it can be used against him.
Sidious made sure that his force lightning would be Vader's undoing.
What Sidious did not realise is push someone too far and they will take you to the grave with them.
Anikan become Vader to save someone he loved.
When Sidious was going to kill Luke it was a step to far and Vader made the ultimate sacrifice.
Sidious just did not understand what a parent will do to protect their children.
This was Sidious's weakness.
So he was afraid of dying for the upgrade.....Vader was making adjustments to the suit while being detached from his cybernetics in a bacta tank. As for the pain part, he never screamed pain in the suit until he was hit by someone. He screamed agony from the table after his fight with Obiwan on Mustafar while being transferred to the suit. In the "Into the Fire" comic series, he could adapt cybernetic parts from droids, this was after Palpatine dismembered him with the force and casted him to the shore on Mustafar. When he came back to Palpatine to get his suit repaired, he could have chosen to be put to sleep but chose to be awake to feel the pain of the operation.
He should have upgraded it to the extent of including Gadgets.
I think a what if story should have Vader somehow be incapacitated and upgraded by someone else. Also they could grow him new organs and not only restore but enhance his senses but give him advanced cyborg legs, and arms. The motivation would be Palatine made an emeny of someone and they felt the only person who could possibiliy kill Palatine was an enhanaced Vader.The Night Sisters who be a good candidate for that role. Revenge for stealing Darth Maul from them. Their understanding of the dark side would be an asset. I feel that is the only way it could happen because ultimately to me Vader didn't upgrade his suit beause his guilt told hm he deserved the pain the suit gave him. So Vader's dark twisted self hate mindset that fueld his power would be intact and he has an awesome new suit.
Did that for many years with tabletop role playing games from WEG to WotC, like during the 1990's ... as teenagers.
Then throughout my twenties at public gaming shops.
a.) Leia and Vader stranded on an ocean coastline. Roll difficulty DC16 on 1d20 or 4d6, or 2d10 for Vader to resist the impulse to drown someone.
b.) Vader wakes up in a café without his armor feeling numb, with two posters of him, ..
i.) Proud clint of Hair Club for Men.
ii.) Shave head skin care wax.
iii. small groups of women complementing his blue eyes. Pain is gone from nerve clipping/chipping, and on some really good juice so its not a turn to the lightside..
He was not scared. He probably, as always, believed he was the strongest in the Galaxy.
Seeing that in the "reality", as seen in "Rogue One" and "Obi-wan", Vader has no problems with being repeatedly removed from his suit and its life support system, the real answer to this question is "this is actually the best suit Vader could possibly get".
craft a second suit as a second layer around the first suit upgrading it
goodbye palpatine
Vade probably never considered it an option Palpatine has been brainwashing him from the very start.
The whole empire would of scared off it's enemies if all the storm troopers had Darth Vader's suite. What if Darth Vader wore a storm trooper suite?
Yet, no Clones empire side before stormtrooper in nowadays
Because Palps would kill him💀
Self-torture by choice there's a reason beneath the mask it wasn't a solution for Anakin and possibly totally his own choice but there's a sacrifice of his own making. The Emperor did choose what would come next because he knew the way things were to come as a Sith and could see the future events of some. Though it was just possibly a lurker into the dark side of the Forse set before the events ever happened by someone other than the Emperor. The question of who was more powerful than the Emperor remains unanswered. Was there more than one Sith order?
You could just change the limbs to become quicker and improve range of motion without having to mess with the respirator.
If he would have had that suit done to peak ability Luke would have never stood a chance. So maybe in his mind he was actually giving his son a chance. Who knows
I mean like... Vader played with Luke during Death Star final fight.
So Vader Can Just Hop Out Of A Bacta And Into Hes Suit But Not Into A New One
I want new vader comics
Palpatine would have killed Vader the moment his usefulness terminated. Palpatine wanted to rule and would destroy Vader if he tried to make any favorable changes
He could upgrade the outside of the suit and edit it
why not clone his body and use transfer essence?
This is a mute question, the suit is so iconic that it wouldn't be Vader anymore.
It's that simple, he is an iconic bad guy from the original trilogy, so changing anything significant to his character just wouldn't work.
Anyone know what the suit at 2:56 is from?
How come Darth Vader was removed from his suit daily to be put in a Bacta tank and they couldn't work on his suit while he was out of it.
its his internal system as well.
what i really want to know... why did vader cut off luke's hand....
in other words: a masochist
Nonsense. Vader frequently left his suit to bathe in the bacta tank. He couldn't have been fearful of changing suits for that reason.
Would Vader's upgrade have been as intimidating than the original one?
He is outta the suit many time it's stupid to suggest he couldn't swap suits when he goes in a bacta tank etc in the movies and books
Iron man Vader.
george lucas just didnt think of in time, the end.
👍
Lol because he aint Disney-woke and is okay with his own Lucas-made body
First let's goooo
Are there other ways to do it???
Gaming...extremely difficult training...if you train on an extremely difficult firing range...it extends to your kill potential...even outside firearms...because that was the wish...