*UPDATE:* Evan has named Manson and multiple other women have come out with stories about him. There have been a LOT of developments that I am actively working to compile for the follow up video. It is quite overwhelming, but I will try to have it for this weekend. *Please share this video! It is only reaching a small number of people outside of my subscriber base and I believe it to be one of my most important videos.* Exploring the incredible amount of correlations between real life and theatrics with the man behind the dope show. After a month in the making, I present to you a very heavy and tough watch regarding the abuse allegations (or rumors) surrounding Marilyn Manson. Please beware that some of the content in this video discusses sensitive. Thumbs up the video and share it on social media to support it. I feel we may be on the brink of more to come. *RUclips marked this video as limited to no ads which tends to limit recommendation among new viewers so I really appreciate everyone who has been sharing it!
I've learnt well in my life how duplicitous people can be. REW made a claim without making a claim. Safe from a defamation lawsuit. I choose to believe that people are innocent until proven guilty. There is no way to win in this situation. Proof or it didn't happen. As a DV myself I find non specific "allegations" troubling and feel they do more harm than good to victims in the long run. Do not "believe all women (or men" believe evidence!
Sucks to admit but my mum was right disliking him. Who has a suggestion on what I can do with the CDs I have and the Shirt ? I don't want to be involved in art of a person that is heavily accused of unspeakable things and who seams more the guilty to me.
Evan Rachel Wood saying that she “would not change anything about their relationship” or that she “appreciates everything he taught her” could be interpreted multiple ways & many of them are not necessarily positive.
Additionally, it's common for victims of abuse to defend or even speak highly of their abusers. I did it for a long time myself, and didn't realize what was actually going on or what happened to me
@@jenniesweet_bean7579 I second this one, but in an employer sense. Btw DO NOT work for Kamans Art Shoppes, a company in most theme parks. I have a theory that the higher ups are white supremacists, as I've never seen/met a non-white manager, in my 7 years. Horrible to employees and emotionally manipulative to local artists to work for them.
True indeed! While I know that there is a shitton of bs claims made with the Me Too movement attached to it, it's not entirely just that. And if anything it really should just be directed towards the people who abuse the other party. Maybe someone didn't quite think that statement through before making it...
Manson is a narcissist. He suffers from both crippling low self esteem and also deep delusions of grandeur! A beta selling us the vision of an alpha. In that interview he basically turned down, he did so because he was caught off guard or had no good way to spin the narrative in his favor. He couldn’t control the journalist, so he repeated himself till the time ran out. He even made sure to mention that he had only given 2 interviews in the UK as a means to weaponize himself. His hope was that no one dare bring anything like that up again, least they lose any further opportunity. I’m sure he hoped the the journalist in question would be fired for “dropping the ball” on such a important figure in music. Manson assumes that we are all stupid. He thinks he smarter than everyone else. It’s right there in his music. IMO, Manson could have just as easily been a David Koresh or Jim Jones. He even idolizes the very figure with his name.... MANSON. When someone tells you who they are, believe them!!! The man is as about as deep as a puddle, and just as dirty. I hope he never gets another good nights sleep for every vile thing he has done to anyone. You wanted Hell sir, it has finally come for you.... you’re just not in charge. Great work Edwin. I can’t wait to see where you take us next!!! 💜
@@reneebingham7872 massively overestimating his own value there too. Maybe you'd get it in the neck back in the 90s if Manson refused an interview but his music is no longer innovative and he hasn't stayed relevant enough to pull power plays like that.
''I can't believe he could do this'' yeah is not like we have compilations of him being violent towards band members when they were in a unprovoked situation, is not like he was arrested for sexually assaulting a bodyguard. As Bailey Sarian famous quote: get better idols
His name is Brian , let’s take away his pseudonym and remove the veil he used to avoid responsibility, in the name of art. I can’t believe it’s taken twenty years for this to come to mainstream . He talks about it in his own book from the 90’s.
@@user-lb8sv1nc1d not especially partners per se. He talks about liaisons he had with females and degrading things he did. Some with Trent (which Trent denied)He talks about a contraption he would put males and females in , essentially naked and would have them confess to things they had done in the past. He talks about violence etc. I guess at the time the book was released it could have been called a work of fiction. He could also state that it was consensual, but even if it was it’s pretty horrific and as a human being to another could certainly cause lifelong psychological issues, if indeed true. It’s dangerous people saying he is innocent of these crimes. How can we know what he did or didn’t do, unless we know him personally and nobody truly knows what people are like at home.
I had his book when I was a teenager, before Evan even entered the picture. He details many, many abusive instances himself. In his own words. So in my mind, it is very likely it is him. And he is drawing it out as long as possible so there is no consequence. Waiting for people to forget.
Honestly HUGE props to the Heavy Metal Magazine for touching on MeToo and cancel culture. It's interesting how easily you can make certain people squirm with certain questions. It's very uncomfortable. At the very least, it's clear Manson doesn't care about women's rights or the abuse that his ex has experienced. If Manson is threatening to cut contact between himself and the magazine just because of those types of questions, that's a blessing in disguise, not a threat. Why would any magazine want to be associated with a star like that? The past lawsuits and his public statements denying allegations, or childishly avoiding the topics as you can see he's uncomfortable like he's been caught in a corner, shows SO much about him. He's become the exact thing he used to claim he was fighting against in the 90s. He looks like an old washed up fool now
And that's why they asked him those questions, because they believe he did it. I'm very glad they did, they wanna see him pay for it. Many many of us believe he did it, and it doesn't help that he apparently threatened that editor's life and his family's.
You said this so well. In the 90’s when he got famous I remember seeing interviews where he was saying something about standing up to oppressive culture. And while I can’t stand his music, I thought good for you to challenge the system. And now he is doing the exact opposite by alluding to the me too movement as a destroyer of lives/careers. It’s always sad when the oppressed becomes the oppressor, but all too common.
The most idiotic thing I have ever heard is that people coming out about their abuse in the industry could "ruin entertainment". The ones ruining it isn't the victims, it's the abusers. There would be nothing to complain about if these creepy directors weren't using their "power" over vulnerable people who need jobs. Women, men; it doesn't matter. Nobody should have to suffer in fear that they'll be blacklisted because they didn't do something they didn't want to do.
Is so true. Is dissapointing because I really like the art they produce. But fuch them pos, they need to pay for what they've done. I fully support Evan Rachel Wood.
@user name Well he's not squeaky clean, we know that much. But what ERW describes is truly horrific; a special kind of evil. I never imagined him as a monster. Maybe it was him. Maybe it wasn't.
There's so much s%&t we get away with doing to you guys it would make you feel sick. You never have a clue. Only if you're jerks though. Being a gentleman, kind, trustworthy to everyone around you & loving animals seems to help with every woman that I've ever talked to. Oh & please don't hate us right when you meet us just because we're women. We can tell. I don't hate anyone unless they're cruel.
@@SH-je4qg only idiots don't see it. The rest of us just try to overlook it or turn it around to work to our advantage unless the woman is so manipulative that it's not worth it.
@@thejohn6614 only idiots don't see what? What manipulative women get away with? BTW, I'm happily married. Wasn't talking about myself. But I don't think manipulators would let you try to ignore them. My sister is one. I've never seen a man ignore her. I've seen them try.
I at first fell in love of him because of how intelligent he sounded despite so many people criticizing him, mostly for how he looked. He always ended up sounding like the more mature and smart one in arguments. He definitely has the ability to manipulate. This is just so disappointing and hypocritical of him. I do believe it is important to get this information out as it has been around for a while.
Yeah it’s the old « word salad tactic » of manipulation, if done well , and he does it very well , it’s almost like the people are getting hypnotized !
You guys bring up an interesting point. There are so many people who have horrible vocabulary and diction. People struggle with public speaking for a multitude of reasons, but socially we look down on people who don't speak well as "uneducated". I have heard people say that not being able to speak well doesn't mean someone isn't intelligent, but it's always been a trigger for me. Hearing this point now really speaks to me. There is no reason at all to put someone on a pedestal just because they know how to speak. It doesn't make them more intelligent, more interesting or more worth while. Im so glad that has finally clicked for me.
I had a huge crush on him in my teens and was jealous of Dita when they married. Later I found out that Dita filed for divorce, and after reading all the info from both sides I sided with her. She wanted to settle down (and have kids, I vaguely remember), but he kept drinking, partying, taking drugs, AND cheating on her. His response was to bitch and criticize her. He's too deep in the rock lifestyle and he'll never grow up.
That’s just Los Angeles, sadly. That being said though, ppl should keep in mind that half the population of LA are transplants. So creepy people come from everywhere
Wow ageism, you do know that's shallow AF right? That's legal and not actually a sign of immediately power imbalance. What's actually a red flag? Writing a memoir in which you make yourself sound like an absolute monstrous psychopath.
Bro Marilyn Manson straight up admitted to almost killing two people in the mid nineties-a woman he dated, who he ultimately chose not to kill because at the time at the attempted murder, there was a witness, and his second bassist (Gidget Gein), who was overdosing on heroin. Manson claimed he seriously considered positioning Gein so that he would choke on his own vomit, but chose not to after another person there pointed out that there was a chance that he would get caught doing so.
The Gidget Gein stuff is really sad :( Have you seen the "Demystifying the Devil" documentary? Brian probably wanted to get rid of Gidget because he was getting all the girls.
@@Taylor-fw4ue not the point dude. Having a mental illness is not a get out of jail free card for abusive behaviour. That's a shitty line of thought anyway as you're supposing all mentally ill people lack the basic decency and compassion to do better.
Disclaimer: I don't want to defend abuse or rape and I never will. Those acts are disgusting and should never happen. Marilyn Manson has always said stuff to provoke and/or shock people. And he never cared what that reactions was. If you were in love - good. If you were disgusted - good. It was always open to interpretation, because it was always meant to be that way for him. Unless there is a video of him defending himself in a police interrogation or in court in front of a judge, you will never get a straight answer from him and he would rather let you believe all those bad things about him than correct you about it. Of course in a serious situation like now, this behaviour backfires. It already did when FBI searched his home, because they wanted to bust him as responsible for the Columbine Shooting. If he did what is alleged, he should be convicted. I will condemn him then. Right now it doesn't look good, but it is more or less hearsay. We haven't heard all sides to the situation at hand. We thought the same when Johnny Depp was being accused by Amber Heard of abuse. We were all so quick to condemn him and denounce him and burn him at the stake. Now we are not so sure anymore if we did the right thing. And I won't do the same mistake twice - I will wait what a police investigation will bring. I hope they bring everything to the authorities so it can be handled professionaly. So in the end there is a conviction and clarity in a court of law, not in a court of public opinion.
MM's own former personal assistant, Dan Cleary, has accused him on Twitter, detailing how he worked directly with Manson on tour when Evan was with him (he didn't specify what job he had on the tour) and when he became a personal assistant to Manson in 2014-2015 where he describes Manson's abusive behaviour towards his girlfriend (now wife) Lindsay Usich. I don't believe there's any benefit to him lying. I don't know what he can get out of that aside from a lawsuit if he's not selling a story.
Evan Rachel Wood named her abuser today on Instagram; Brian Warner/Marilyn Manson. Four other women posted their abuse stories at the hands of him in response.
Metal Hammer didn't mess up this Manson interview... they actually did something groundbreaking here. I love it. As always Edwin great job and thank you for laying all this out and creating a very interesting story, I hope this continues and develops. It's very important stuff!
@Lady Fervor And yeah definitely found the Manson cheerleader. So a journalist is not supposed to address something? They gave Manson a chance to clear the air and his name, he chose to act in ways that proved the point. Honest people don't hide from questions.
I've been a huge lover of Marilyn Manson's music since the 90's. There is no doubt that it is him. He has said and done things that indicate so much. He told about him cutting himself after a breakup and wanting to hurt Evan after they broke up, in interviews. I remember when he was dating Evan, and she started dying her hair black and wearing makeup like his x-wife, and at that time, I stupidly thought SHE was trying to copy her. But no, he had been forcing her to. Evan's testimony are so hard to watch, I feel for her. He needs to be held accountable. I hate it so much. Just ignoring it because you love his music is WRONG.
I think he's got talent as an artist, but I too remember when she first started dating him when she was younger. I just thought that she was changing herself for another person. No one should have to do that.
@@ekaterinavladimirovna88 yes follow the facts, but also don't let your fandom blind you if the facts don't line up with your expectations. We never truly know what goes on behind closed doors of people, even the ones we know from a day to day basis, so I wait for more facets of this to come to light.
Exactly true, agreed 💯 It's the exact same issue with Robert Kelly! He was abused as a child as well as his younger brother (who didn't choose to repeat the abuse) inappropriately and uses that as an excuse 😒🙄 ahhh he is a different story but still, some people have horrible upbringings and chose to better themselves and rise above it 😔 it's really sad aye
Mind. Blowing. I NEVER heard ANY of that before. You did a phenomenal job. I liked how you had everyone reading the different parts. Wow, I’m gonna have to let this all sink in. You’ve put together a very strong circumstantial case against him. It’s making me ill to think about what those poor women went through. Disgusting. PS anytime you hear “I won’t dignify that with an answer.” you KNOW they did whatever it is.
Yeah this is kind of rough for me because I’ve never heard any of this either and I was a HUGE Marilyn Manson fan growing up but stopped listening after the Eat Me, Drink Me album because he just totally fell off for me. An old coworker of mine went to see him in Portland and he stopped in a middle of a song to snort cocaine I guess, like good lord my dude. Some of the things he put out was getting a little too disturbing for me as well and I was a little worried one day we’d all hear about him being an abuser and unfortunately I was right. Everything I heard in this sickens me to the absolute core. I really hate that his earlier music is such a huge part of me life. Yuck🤢🤮
I have almost ALL of manson's cds...+ his book. Sure they are at my parents house. I loved him during my teens... Even saw him live. I don't what to do but to throw them in the bin.
@@f1zzg1g_47 I must confess that I wasn’t a huge fan. I really liked a bunch of his songs in the mid to late 90s. I only saw him because he was opening for NIN back then. It was a great show and you knew he’d be headlining his own soon. It’s interesting you said that about the Coc use considering the clip in this video where he insinuated he was snorting a line. That combined with his own demons is an ah ha moment, but not an excuse. I’ve only heard of Evan Rachel Wood, but have never seen anything she’s been in. I knew about Rose and Dita. I’m with you, it’s vomit inducing. You can’t fault yourself for his music resonating with you. None of this was known at the time. If it spoke to you, it spoke to you. You’re not clairvoyant, nor could you see into the future. Go easy on yourself, life is hard enough as is. Just make sure to help bring awareness, share Edwin’s video, and let people know. Knowledge is power!
@@Somebody9666 I wouldn’t. I’d see whether you could sell them to a used record store or something. None sense in putting them in a landfill where they’ll pollute the earth too. See what you can get for them or trade them in for a used CD of another artist you like.
@@narcoasa3968 , now there's a good person to talk about...Trent Reznor a d company. I hope if you dislike Manson you equally dislike them too now(?)...dont be shy. Pretty much everyone in this thread should be throwing away every cd or song or book by a musician or artist they've ever had because chances are they're just like the latter. .. ....oh wait, we have to see what Edwin says 1st. My bad. How silly. Youre right. No one is bad until EDWIN SAYS SO! GAVEL DOWN!!!! Lol lol.
I'm kinda old so I remember when they started dating and how it was thought to be REALLY weird that Evan Rachel Wood, then an up and coming blonde teen actress, was suddenly always dressed like a Victorian/dark pinup model. At the time people thought she was just really young and imitating Manson's ex wife Dita von Teese, who has always had that type of style. Now look back at ALL of his exes and you can clearly see each one dressing similarly while with him- and besides Dita von Teese, none of them dress that way before or after the relationship.
I think he was desperately trying to prove he could still “get it” after ruining his relationship w Dita so he started seeing Evan and probably took out all his personal issues on the poor girl knowing he could take advantage of her naïveté if that makes sense.. he’s been on a massive decline after he peaked in the 90s and it’s obvious the man is on drugs 24/7
She showed up with rose colored glasses I remember. I am older too an I could never stand Manson. I grew up spoiled with good music, I'm sure it's the same for you. Rose McGowan was a bit goth, wore that see through beaded dress long before Dita. Whom are both too much of classy ladies to stay with someone like him.
@Eddie T. she was just 18 years old and he was 33! He's literally old enough to be her fuckin father! There's a lot of room for exploitation and manipulation with that HUGE age gap, not to mention he's a fucking rockstar, rich and famous. Severe gaslighting and brainwashing! She was at his mercy, he could've killed her if he wanted to and said so with his own mouth.
The very first interview he interpreted of him, I was away from my phone for a min! And I had to hurry to get to my phone expecting to see the in person interview. Lol! Then obviously realized it was Edwin and John Swan! 😂😂👌🏼👌🏼
@BabyChainGang estrogen doesn't do that. Vocal chords can't become shorter or thinner, so only ftm can get deeper voices with hormones, not vice versa.
As the woman who came forward as the first victim of Weinstein, I was interested to hear thoughts about this. I remember her giving interviews about how diffrent Manson was in "real life". I'm glad she didn't use her personal experience to doubt another's and stood up for Woods.
You can clearly put two and two together. It really does sadden me bc I'm actually a huge Manson fan. Hearing these allegations more and more and his lack of a real response make him look worse and worse. 😒😒😒
Huge influence for me as far as opening my eyes to different genres,and art. However you can be influenced without liking the actual person in real life,or agree with their actions.
You might be about to put two and two together but that doesn't make it correct. Remember that ! And why are people suddenly shocked, he has been this kind of man since day one.
Same here, I grew up with his music, it used to be the only thing I enjoyed through my teenage years. It’s quite eye opening knowing that someone you idolise so much can be capable of such horrible things.
As someone who read Manson’s autobiography I immediately thought of him when Evan came out with her allegations against an ex. He’s capable of extreme cruelty and sadism, especially if it’s for “fun” or he’s being egged on. There’s a passage in the book about this awful things him and his bandmates did to groupies, in particular this deaf woman who they put lunch meat on then peed on as they screamed insults at her about her being deaf. He even admits him and this guy he toured with came up with sick games to torment groupies with and pit themselves against each other. Unfortunately I do like his music still but if you paid attention to his persona he’s always been a “bad guy” who often feels sorry for himself.
@Lady Fervor So blame victims and people who are lied to by their idol? Congrats on being exactly what abusers want.. A cheerleader willing to sing their songs.
@@azarinevil Although I get your point, she’s not entirely wrong. Fans who support or ignore such behaviors might do that in their own personal circles as well and that may give leeway to other abusers. In my opinion it’s less about fan/groupie culture and more about society itself. At the end of the day, both celebrities and spectators are humans, both could assault and abuse. And denial can be a form of abuse too
@@i.f.5566 I think one major difference between an abusive celebrity and an abusive non celebrity (not saying one is worse than the other AT ALL) is that with the celebrity, there's already an already built-in power dynamic, in which the celebrity holds all or most of the power when interacting with a "normal person." When a fan meets a celebrity, they're already trying to impress them, they're vulnerable in the situation and are less likely to say no or fight back because of it. So when someone who's already an abusive shit or prone to violence (like Manson seems to be - I was a huge fan growing up and I have also read his memoir multiple times) become celebrities, their predatory breeding ground is widened substantially and getting the opportunity to abuse is far easier. TLDR: an abuser is going to abuse, but being a celebrity abuser makes it far easier.
@@doperagu8471 Yes that’s very true! Plus they tend to have this extra « charm » or « charisma » because of their status. It happened with Davie Vanity as well. But what’s also interesting to note is that his fans (victims of his brainwashing) would violently harass the victims who dared to speak out. So although the artist remain at the core of the problem, I just think it’s good to acknowledge that aspect of some of the fans. More so as a way of trying to understand how this influence trickles down to younger audiences who might in turn become victims or abusers. I hope my comment doesn’t come of as me saying the celebrity isn’t the main problem! I definitely believe he is in that case.
@@i.f.5566 Well maybe look at these comments as to the blind defenders vs fans who read the memoir. A lot of us read that and realized all those horror stories that we were hearing, were true. That book makes it very clear Manson's abusive AF and likes to be able to openly get away with it. He got into celebrity culture to indulge that side of himself. Most of the last line of Manson fans are people who didn't get that information, they didn't read how he took pleasure in torturing groupies and band mates, in ways that are actually considered torture by the Geneva convention FFS.
@@ekaterinavladimirovna88 I've been researching these claims for three years now. The timeline matches perfectly. I used to be a hardcore fan but after I realized who Manson really is I woke up. I still respect his art but I can't support him any more. I suggest you do the same, but I know most fans aren't willing to believe the truth and instead keep their heads in the sand.
Also, when Manson let go of Twiggy in late 2017 because of a rape allegation against him, Manson probably did that to remove himself as far away as possible from these kind of scenarios. He must have felt some heat there.
I was so disappointed to hear about Twiggy. Jeordie seemed like such a cool guy when he was in his pre-Manson days as bass player of the South Florida band Amboog-A-Lard, or however it was spelled.
There’s a 90’s psychology / psychiatry study done in Germany, where it was established that the vast majority of people never mature beyond the age of 14, sure they hold down a job; maybe, and ‘adult’ on Bills / Rent etc. But their emotional maturity will always remain stunted, making bad decisions one after the other...
@@DARTHMOBIUS I completely believe this. Im almost 30 and man, if people don't put in the work, they stay kids The amount of single dudes I've seen whos houses look like a teen boy lives there is....staggering. and just the amount of poorly adjusted people I've had to deal with in customer service jobs. It's sad. We prioritize MONEY AND CAREER and basically dig ourselves deeper into emotional distress with everything else, forever. Thank god therapy is becoming normalized.
Even if he hasn't done these evil things (it really doesn't look good though), the way he talks in these interviews, and the things he says are very suspect and don't help paint him in a positive light.
He's the type to blame society and hide behind the fact that "he's just being targeted because he's a high profile star and dresses alternatively and has an alternative edgy perspective" but in reality he's just SUSPICIOUS AS HELL at this point!
Yea its disturbing like, you actually know dangerous people? And are proud of that? And he kept repeating this like its a thinly veiled threat and the fact that he blatantly says he has committed heinous things and doesn't get caught for them. Yea.....like what? Rape? Pedophilia? Murder? Its just unsettling all around
@Jacques De Molay He didn't fool me into thinking anything bc I've never cared enough about him to dig this deeply. I never understood what Trent Reznor saw in him, tbh
I'm a huge MM fan and the first time I heard about this, I was distraught. I have followed him closely for a long time and I believe this is what happened to him: He always wanted to be this dark and mysterious character, and after doing hard drugs and drinking a bottle of absinthe every day for twenty years, he started slowly turning into the character he'd made up in his head. He's been violent to himself and to others to further worship his own image as this disturbingly dark character of Marilyn Manson. MM and his best friend Johnny Depp are doing drugs together, making their minds up about the world and their own social standing, and sinking deeper and deeper into the madness that follows that lifestyle of nihilism and hedonism. This is something that happens to most people who have been "stars" for a long time. It's truly dehumanizing. I will always adore the MM I got to know through his autobiography in the 90s. He used to be intelligent and witty. Now he's a glorified junkie who thinks he can do whatever the hell he wants, and it seems like he can actually get away with it all.
@@ekaterinavladimirovna88 Can you just STOP with your cut and pasting the same damn thing, please. Apart from the ardent fan tone, it's just getting boring to keep reading it.
@@ekaterinavladimirovna88 First...it is NOT slander if I am accurate...which I am. And a flying monkey is someone who assists people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder to attack those they deem a threat to them. You have attacked me...so, you must be one of his flying monkeys...since he is a Narcissist. Read up on it...you might learn something. Then, listen to what Evan Rachel Woods described.. And don't bother me. You are speaking to an adult and I can tell that you are what...Russian...by your name...and I cannot be bothered with a little girl.
"Sometimes if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck!-- unless that duck is named Marilyn Manson." Oh my god so true. Everything lines up. Yes it's all allegations at this point, none of us who are level-headed are saying this is proof, but the possibility that he abused these women needs to be seriously considered.
There was so much research that had to be done here, and the amount of time that it took to gather it all shows how thorough and meticulous you are, wow. And then organizing it all, especially the timeline of all of it, and supplementing it with the specific clips and articles at such key points. This is seriously so so so well done. Amazing, Edwin!!
She finally has said it was him. Thank you for being the person who helped her do it. Women are so often blown off about abuse and by supporting her you are preventing him hurting more people. I hope there is justice now for what he did to her. I'm also really impressed by her that she was able to keep up her career after going through that. I'm so proud of her. Thank You Edwin! You're a real hero in a world where I had lost faith in men.
Why is it always women and girls defending him? I have a feeling some of you gals wish it could have been you he was carving up and starving. Y'all need help, ladies.
He absolutely did it. He was abusive to Dita too and the gumption to act like the divorce was Evan's fault. He lost Dita when he was an abusive cheater and Evan was by comparison a kid. Dita has in more recent interviews been more honest about his mental games doing a number on her among other things.
Harley, he lives FAR away and has schizophrenia, so if he decides to snap, I would like to know. We do not talk. I said I follow him. Calling me stupid is so callous. I work with Domestic Violence victims regularly and I would NEVER say that to a survivor. What was the purpose? To make me feel bad? Like, why even comment if that wasn't the case? Unfortunately for you, I don't care about baseless reductions on the internet or sway to narcissism anymore.
Omg Dita's words!! Such an important point there because she is a stripper and he wanted her to quit her work so "he could support her." She probably wasn't as vulnerable or easy to manipulate so he didn't get to target her. But even with her, he was violent and rageful and smashed windows? Insane.
Dita has talked about a lot dark things in their marriage. How he wanted her to do something sexual that she didn’t want to. He just found some young woman that he could get to do it and she walked in.
OMG imagine thinking "well they got engaged 6 months later so that basically proves there was no abuse" are they INSANE? the world isn't buying this shit anymore it's almost 2021!
Exactly! It's called manipulation. And if people did any research on domestic abuse, they would know that victims stay attached to their abusers for a long time until they can finally break out of it. They also seemed to miss the part when she said he would threaten suicide. She most likely went back to him and got engaged because she was scared of him committing suicide.
@@KerriKittehx it takes leaving the abuser seven times before you actually break free. These are the statistics. The truth is an abuser is way more likely to kill his victim.
@@Azubjourni i dont think thats fair, ive known people my whole life that look worse than him and are the sweetest people. do i even have to use ted bundy as an example?
@@midnightcryptworx But you where wrong about this one, so no its not your whole life. Many peoole are like this dude, but you guys will just give these stars all a pass, even when they are abusing minors. But yeah he was very sweet to his Ex, thats why she had to call him out without saying his name on different occasions.
@@Azubjourni I don't give anyone a pass if there's proof. My point is that just bc they look a certain way doesn't mean anything. And when i said my whole life i didnt mean MM.
Honestly, in his prime, there was something absolutely fascinating about him. It didn't hurt that he was, in a way, Trent Reznor's protege. At this point in his life, it is sad. It is very try-hard.
I think this is your most groundbreaking video. this needs to be spread and he needs to be EXPOSED. I love(d) his music. But I've read his memoir and it was very disturbing. Marilyn Manson is not a character; it's a way to live out his psychotic desires.
@@sg5067 I have not read it but I’d heard that he has said stuff like “you’re not gay if you suck a dick but if your dick gets hard when you suck, then you’re gay”, “you want to have sex with girls so you can get them pregnant with girls and let them grow up as lesbians”, etc. I find that a bit disturbing...
@@rufiredup90 ew that's fucking gross honestly don't see why there's so many ppl arguing like "YOURE NOT A REAL FAN IF UR WILLING TO UNSTAN BC OF ALLEGATIONS" but even without the allegations the dude has said some really dodgy shit...
I had friends who were fans of MM back in the day, and they talked about how the public image was just for art, and that he was actually just a nice dude with rowdy creativity. I... I should not be surprised learning the information in this video, because I should’ve been taking MM at his own word, rather than the word of his teenage fans.
There's smoke on the whole World. When are you gonna realize that much? Lolol. I find it funny but so sad. Everyone is always trying to be the villagers with torches, no matter WHO the "monster" is. One person says something then another follows and on until everyone is following the group of hang-noosers.
That quote MM's team used to suggest Dita wasn't abused by Manson sounds more like she was talking about not being abused while she'd been working or in instances during her career, not during relationships.
I'm a huge Manson fan and I hear of these allegations the first time. If they are real... it hurts to say this but he'd have to pay for it and go to prison. A lot of fans (including me) would stand up for the victims and unstan him.
It's so real, there's been rumors and talk for decades but he's fucking hugely famous and rich and can afford to keep it on the low, also fanatics will stand by him because they feel a certain way about the subject. He's a pig.
@@CameliaSong I've been through some unspeakable abuse in my life but manson also saved my life when I was young, he was the only one I felt was there for me. So for me to turn my back on him now feels wrong. But keep judging people for not agreeing with you. I don't care.
It’s funny to me how the people with power and money can misuse and abuse but don’t deserve to have there lives ruined? It’s called consequences Ik when you get to a certain status they forget that’s consequences exist but they do and karma is very real. Everything in the dark comes to light so maybe be a better fucking person.
If you’re willing to drop an artist over false allegations, your support of them means less than nothing to begin with. I’m sure your loss of support will keep the man up at night. Lmao. This interview happened a month ago, it’s old news. It was false allegations on a timeline that didn’t add up then, and it’s the same now.
another amazing and eye opening video, but idk how anyone could be surprised. the amount of effort and work you put into these deep dives shines so brightly and i’m endlessly inspired by it. basically great job ily bye.
I guess this video needs a second part as multiple women came out and told their stories of abuse (different types of abuse ) or VERY disturbing behaviour from this individual. And yes Rose stood by Evan Rachel Wood. Thank you for talking about this before he was actually named.
I love his past work but I think he’s pretty guilty. His team is working on overdrive. And just because he may not have been abusive to one person doesn’t mean he wasn’t abusive to others.
Evan is amazing. I've always thought she was extremely beautiful and a very talented actress, but she's also really brave. She doesn't have to speak out about these things, she's doing it to try to protect other women. (And other survivors of DV.) I really admire her.
I've never seen a grown man so proud of behaviour that swings from juvenile to psychopathic!!! How did it take so long for the world to penalise him for I?!?! Ive seen him acting totally lewd to women on talk shows, totally repugnant.
I always thought his public persona was for art. To put it mildly, I’m extremely disappointed in him. Abusers are losers. He was never my jam, but a lot of my friends back in the day really loved him. They talked about how he was actually such a sweet, neat dude, and that all of the rumors weren’t true. I saw him live at Ozzfest in 2001 lol
I also wasn't a big fan, but I liked the thought that this is all his public persona and he is a good person in real life, but apparently he is just an abusive hypocrite.
@@ekaterinavladimirovna88 Okay, stop your fan thoughts for a few secounds and listen. When two of his ex girlfriends start talking about being sexually assulted it sounds already suspicious. Then both experiences seem pretty similar which makes the whole situation even more questionable. On top of that one of the exes said that she was assulted at around the same time she was together with him. I'm sure that both of them saw the rumours that it was Marilyn who assulted them. If they both know it wasn't him, why didn't they say that the internet should leave this innocent man alone? If you like it or not, I reached a point where I would be surprised if he wasn't their abuser. This whole story aren't just rumous with no proof, there are serious points that exist. Please try to think about it again.
asking marilyn if he had asked evan to clear his name is a good question. an innocent party would have no problem reaching out and saying 'people think you're talking about me, can you please tweet a clarification so that people know it is not me you are talking about'. a guilty party would not dare to make such communication.
I dont know why you would compare the god of shock rock to anyone else... he is known to not speak openly about his relationships, like.... EVER. So he wouldn't give an answer... It is known that if someone is really guilty, they will act like they aren't guilty to an exaggerated extent. He is doing the complete opposite, and him not talking about her is indicating that there is a lot of the story being left out. I would not for one second not believe that she wasn't abusive to him, and he reacted.
Actually he DID say it: "I'm friends with guys in the Hell's Angels and MS-13, and I wouldn't make fun of them to their faces." You can find the quote on @MMansonAbuse on twitter. Additionally, Evan Rachel Wood talked about how her abuser was so determined to turn her into someone else...she was forced to model herself after this other person and everyone noticed the change. Anybody remember how ALL the tabloids called Evan Rachel Wood out for trying to become Dita Von Teese (Manson's Ex-wife) ?
Yep, makes sense now. I thought it was her trying to be like her for him (I mean of her own desires) but now I believe he manipulated or made her do that. Sick
@@im_so_bored3896 i dont think so, she said when she left him she had to leave on Christmas eve and moved out that night. Very abruptly. I think she just hides her pain better, and probably wasn’t abused as bad but it still sound like it was bad.
And? Isn't she best friends with amber heard and accused Kobe of being a rapist on the day he passed away? This chick career is dead and she accuses people for a living. How on earth can you groom an 19 year adult? You can only groom children and minors. She said "he brainwashed me into liking him" if she considers that as abuse, then its disturbing how shes making a mockery out of actual abuse and making it meaningless.
@@eliza1826 You are really nitpicking at one person amongst many others who have eluded to the fact that they have been abused by him? He literally has created a persona based on an image of edginess, coldness, unaffectedness, and violence. What a sad argument on your part.... grooming may under a “technicality” be defined as an act deliberated onto a child but the method of building trust in an effort to take advantage of them and exploit them is not exclusive to those under 18. Your lack of sensitivity is alarming.
Shook. I'm absolutely shook. I grew up adoring Marilyn Manson for his personality, way of thinking and artistry... Until this video... Crazy how blinded you get when all the evidence is right there under your nose.
Is it really that shocking though? Manson's just a musician not a god. He had a messed-up childhood and has done numerous things that should have put him in prison.
@@truthseeker7754 yes it is shocking cause a messed up childhood doesn't automatically lead to these things. Especially when you idolize a person the way I and so many others do/did
@@truthseeker7754 lmao not at all. It's kind of sad when people automatically assume that their idol(s) are decent human beings when they're not entertaining the masses. Most of them are f**ked up and twisted- that's what makes them artists and people drawn to them.
He also walked in on his grandfather in his basement watching... 'taboo' 35mm pornos... so he had a really rough influence from within his own home despite the sexual abuse from the older boy in the neighborhood.
The entire music industry + its venues and musicians are being called out heavily in LA+OC for its problematic R culture (I myself being a survivor of it). Lots of people trying to retaliate against victims and it’s sad to see almost no men standing in solidarity with victims/survivors so thank you for making this and using your platform for this!
I was a HUGE fan of MM in highschool. I know his music and his "lore" and I can totally see this being how he is. I know that ERW just named him in the media and I have extreame respect that she got out of it and heald. Now that I am an adult everything he said in the interviews made me angry. Good video.
It’s totally understandable and I find it unfortunate as well, since he purposefully made everything as edgy as possible only for the sake of proving a point, and the point was, people should freely express their thoughts and feelings regardless, which is why he purposefully angered and provoked religious groups around the country. He contradicts that by saying he doesn’t want any information said about him, and no I am not by any means legitimizing any of his behaviors or philosophies here, but if we break this down from a psychological perspective, and again this might be hard to do but empathizing with those we see as lowly, is the only way we could prevent this from ever happening again. Just like making young people feel listen to before they commit crimes in order to prevent them from doing so, as psychoanalyzing him might not be a bad idea According to one biography I heard of him in the form of a video, he always has had insecurity issues and felt lesser than everyone else, and very easily felt judged and would internally shatter upon being judged negatively. A small part of me resonates with us greatly, but I’ve purposefully taken on a different attitude about it all, and it’s unfortunate that he stayed on the path he was on. I very much respect emo culture and what it does for young people, I myself have been emo for a while, but some thing I’ve noticed, and some thing I’ve tried to do, is pull myself away from it, and get to the next step of healing. Truly I’m not EMO much anymore, but I am deeply supportive of the movement, but every time I’ve noticed there was a person who stayed a strong piece of emo culture the same way they were in their teens and young adulthood, they seem to just dwell in the same space, instead of it being used as a healing steppingstone. It’s only good when it’s a steppingstone rather than a permanent place of being. There are three major steps in an emotional trauma healing, and the first one is acknowledging your emotions and feelings and darkness within, your trauma, and how it affects you. The second step is embracing it, and being emo is embracing both of these steps. Nonetheless, they are just stepping stones, a means to an end, and so it’s not really healthy to stay this way until further adulthood. It’s one thing to keep a teeny short with oneself, but I noticed another celebrity fell victim to staying in the dark space of emo culture. It’s basically like only staying in one part of the major treatment plan for a severe illness. It’s only good for you and helpful when it’s needed, but once it’s fulfilled what it’s needed to fulfill, or it’s not done anything yet, it might be time to seek other options. The next thing that needs to be done, is not just embracing the emotions, but addressing them properly and letting them go, which is the third step in healing. Yes, this often times make people not look as emo, but they tend to be very supportive of whatever it takes for someone to be comfortable with themselves and release their pain. This can be found in a lot of people who were previously part of emo culture, but as adults, just mine really dabble in it and support the movement greatly. They keep a lot of their philosophies from before, but being emo was simply a steppingstone for further healing. I know at least for me, and many other people who have indulged in being emo, prior to doing so, felt immense pressure to never ever feel their feelings nor expressed them or even believe they are real, because they are deemed as bad, or even spawns of Satan that needs to be drowned out . While I did not have a Christian upbringing, I did feel like the only acceptable emotion was happiness and contentedness, even though I never felt content and happy was only a fleeting emotion for me, as well as many other people that embraced emo culture. I believe strongly that Marilyn Manson felt this way as well, but he never learned to reach farther than Doving into email culture. This is very unfortunate and sad, and when you lose all sense of reserves for self love and comfort, being IMO goes into a vicious cycle rather than healing you, and then can lead to further damaging behavior. Perhaps somethings that would show that he was going to progress, was if earlier in his career, he decided to seek out mental health help, and get a good therapist, but also again, I could kind of empathize why someone wouldn’t necessarily get a therapist, because there’s an unfortunate amount of therapists that don’t do their job properly. Regardless, that does not excuse any behavior or lack of self-help of someone who stays IMO for longer than 15 years. This is also what happened to Bennington, the lead singer of Lincoln Park, where he stayed emo for too long, he stayed in a cynical place for too long, and committed suicide. In the short term, IMO might prevent suicide, but in the long term, either one dies a hero or live long enough to become the villain, like Marilyn Manson. It seems as if he became everything he himself hated when he was young, and while his parents seemed supportive on the outside, there may have been so much more that we don’t know, and at least I personally know that, how fundamentalist of any religion but especially Christianity is, it can really screw up one’s head, especially if there was strict parenting surrounding. It’s kind of odd to me that he tried to get negative attention, it seemed as if he didn’t conscientiously realize how much it hurt him. Why is knowing this all important for preventing anything like this ever happening again? Well, if we can address all this for anyone else who has email, whether it be ourselves or anyone else, it’s important to insist lovingly for self-help, or do whatever one individual can do, for example, helping that person or yourself works through insecurities, and I’ve heard it be mentioned many times how much he had a ton of self heat and I could really resonate with feeling deeply backstabbed when even there’s a little bit of hate for oneself. This is usually rooted upon childhood experiences where your fundamental value was seen as lower for something that didn’t matter enough for that to be appropriate, which normally it shouldn’t anyways, it’s not a good way of disciplining, and this is the reason why. The thing is, while I’ve still so many flaws and so so much to work through myself, and I would like to see this in him as well, which it seems it’s too late, is to work through that, and try to become less sensitive, via embracing that emotion and that sensitivity. It seems like he embraced the general aspect that he did not feel happy, but every little sensitivity that is noticed, well, first step, should be noticed and acknowledged, second step, should be embraced, basically, reassuring the emotion that it’s OK that it exists and it’s not shameful, and basically try to live with the emotion, which in fact prevents incidences of being overly reactionary, because first off, you are conscientious that it exists, and secondly, you no longer are angry at yourself and or are working on not being angry at yourself and hating yourself for having this emotion and telling the emotion that it has a right to exist, which actually prevents it from boiling up too much. This can take a process of months, years, etc., but it still is a continuum, until the third step and most important one, letting it go . I’ve seen many other people do this, and it would be great to see more of this. I feel this should be a fundamental thing that is taught in therapy, I don’t think it’s discussed enough. I think this would help a lot of people, if we did not judge our flaws, because that’s usually what keeps them there, is that we don’t forgive ourselves and allow the emotions to exist. Once all of that processing is finished, again can take years even decades at times, usually no more than 15 years though maximum, then I could finally be let go, because what actually ties it in, is that believing it’s an integral part of us, and something we hate about ourselves. Sorry about how long this was, I just felt this was an important thing to discuss as well, because if we don’t address the reasons why Marilyn Manson and many others are like this in the alternative communities, then we might just see a vicious cycle of people pushing boundaries in a permissible manner that is not permissible by the rest of society, to make a point about how uncompassionate society is, only to become what they hate. This is fundamental one the right things aren’t focused on within, and by society itself. The more people that focus on these aspects themselves and for others, the less likely we’re going to see celebrities that at some point help someone’s emotions be worked out to then becoming the thing that they complain about in their very own songs. I just hope for a better world to live in, and I hope to do that by expressing how we can denounce someone’s horrible behavior at the same time realizing what kind of inconceivable or at least inconceivable pain for a lot of people, it took for someone to behave in a villainous manner. The more we hate on people who do bad things, the more people who do bad things will exist, it’s an unfortunate truth but it’s actually been found that in societies where people don’t feel judged for their actions, there’s much lower cases of crime and re-offense
lets not forget that manson also called the cops because fans threatened him and he was scared. typical tough guy to people he thinks are weaker than him
Not really suprised if this is all true and the fact that probably many people will not be suprised says a lot about him , and the impression people getting of him through the years . I have been a fan of some of his songs , but he has always given me a bad vibe .
I specifically remember reading an article with Dita Von Teese about Manson's sexual demands of her, and thought he sounded abusive then. I'm really not that surprised sadly
She said he did not abuse her so I don't know how you could of read that - oh right we are trying him on you-tube like we do now. Good thing he lost his job and all of his music contracts BEFORE a fair trial!
@@A.i.Riverz no, I'm not. I read the interview the same day Evan named him. It was Dita. She couldn't stand the biting any longer as well as him fucking other ladies. I know the difference between the two ladies. Dita mentioned she didn't have issues in her business life, but her personal life WAS abusive, and she couldn't stand the biting any longer and sent his sorry ass to the couch.
@@dootdoot94xo44 100%!! They throw it right in our faces too with all of the symbolism but people either don’t know about it or chose to ignore it. It’s certainly not a coincidence that so many of them take photos with one covered, flash the “ok” (666) symbol or have straight up satanic stuff in their image. They tell us who they are. You’re not crazy at all, it’s definitely real. Several musicians have even said on video that they sold their soul to the devil for fame. We are headed down a very dark and scary road.
@@ItsMeValerieB sorry yall hate critical thinking but that sounds like a You problem and a video about a serious abuse case is not the time or place for it. get well soon x
God, this video was so hard to watch as a MM fan, but it would be foolish to deny all those allegations and say they're just rumors when there's so much evidence against him.
What you said about MM being “shocking” and not really knowing when he is saying the truth is definitely my experience of being a fan of his. I also never really paid attention to his relationship with ERW, not me being influenced by MM in regards to this, I cared more about Dita von Teese and Rose McGowan because they were more famous at that time than ERW. Teenage me just thought “ oh he happened to date that girl from his Heart Shaped Glasses music video... what was her name again? Evan Rachel Wood, cool”. Even as she advanced in her career it was “oh yeah she dated MM, she’s the lead in a show now good for her”. It’s interesting now revisiting things I previously ignored because “it was just Marilyn being Marilyn”..... and no, I did not buy the new album in any format, do not support him (or any artist) on Spotify, and any cd and mercy I had (except for a jumper because it was a Christmas gift) I have given to charity. Edit: i also had no idea about Esme either. Edit 2: got to the part about Dita’s allegations, also had no idea about these. MM’s team have done a wonderful job at hiding certain things about his life.
Im the same as you. Not got to Dita's allegations in the video yet - those supporting MM are saying she always spoke fondly of him (which Is not a defence for an abuser), intrigued for that part of the video x
@@Coppergasm reading this comment just now.... I guess you’re right. I think he’s also doing it (based on this video and everything else I’ve seen recently) to cover up his bad actions more easily.
@@MelAmethyst I actually do remember Dita saying something about the split like I think 13 or so years ago that he was a really bad alcoholic and got violent etc.. but everything else is just.... wow.... it makes me upset because all of his earlier albums are a HUGE part of my life up until Ear Me, Drink Me.
Weird because when I spent time with him backstage several times he was always fun, even when he was extremely fucked up. However being in an abusive relationship myself I know how charming and innocent people can be to people other than their lover.
The thing is that every human being treats people differently depending on situation. I can be a kind and charming person to some but there are few who really get the worst out of me. Do people think celebrities are an exclusion to that reality?
All abusers are charming at times, or if they are in public, even serial killers. Look at Bill Cosby, everyone loved him for decades. I never bought Mansons nice guy routine in interviews. I always though he was fake, and probably a real asshole if you got on the wrong side of him.
Yes she is so innocent she dont like him but got into dating him gets engaged to him becomes his fiance the shopping sprees the traveling lavish lifestyle removed furthest away from poverty that is. So horrible ? If these women dont like him they take everything from him share their lives with him for the sole purpose of using him ? And you want me to pity them sorry but no aint. happening their popularity goes and they cash grab to try to keep the wealthy lifestyle flowing Leave Manson be whos the real villan? what kind of people use people ask yourself that
I don't even know why people try to interview Manson. He's always talked in circles, gone on tangents, and just seems out of it. Now I don't know if that's an act or if the dude is just heavily under the influence all the time. It's hard to tell with him sometimes, but regardless, most interviews go nowhere with him anyways. You'd get reactions like this with any question really. That's not me saying this is untrue btw. Not at all. I'm just saying it's really hard to get straight answers from him, that you know beyond a shadow of doubt are the truth, for the smallest of things, it's going to be even more difficult, if not impossible, to get forthcoming answers when it comes to these situations.... hopefully I'm making sense lol.
That's what narcopaths do. My little sister acts like that when you question her too. I'll tell you right now, at least for me, it confirms all the circumstantial stuff. My sister tried to kill my mom last year during my mom's end stage cancer. When I asked why she tried to convince my mom to take watch batteries as "Tylenol", she made up the weirdest answers about "right to die" and "showing mercy". My mom had zero pain (cancer was in the pain centre of her brain and had turned it all off, even the docs were shocked she got that lucky) and was slated for admission to hospice the next week. My sister wanted an excuse to bail on the compassionate release and house arrest she was under, knowing she could break parole, go party hard on drugs and get off easy because "her mom died". Even today she tries to deny or excuse the action, just like every other evil act she ever committed.
I can't believe he posted a video of him hitting her in the face, moaning, bleeding and naked as an introduction to his website. The footage seems very upsetting and malicious and is downright dumb. That's blatant evidence of his abuse to her. I hope he gets to see jail time because of this.
Sadly he won’t. She worked to change the statute of limitations and they did, but only by a few years. We are a long ways off from getting survivors real justice.
Tho, honestly I feel bad for her from all I've heard from her in interviews via this issue, IDK why, but I get vile vibes from her & have 4a while. But IDK why... 😑😐
@Eddie T. watch her on court tho, that convo "why she didn't alleged his behavior before" it's dumb, he knows how to slowly manipulate and threat a victim and by the way she was 18 and use to be a fan, so he just take advantage of the situation.
He’s so incredibly full of himself. I never realized how inflated his self importance is 🙄 he thinks he can do no wrong and it’s all part of his art 🙄🙄🙄
@@gutterdandy9173 true. I also think people come to feel more comfortable sharing disapproval when negative stories come out because they feel vindicated in some way. If he's done these things to ERW then I don't feel sorry for him at all. Also, considering how young she was when he dated her, could have really messed her up psychologically.
It’s also interesting to note that Manson’s exes seemed to have progressively worse things to say about him. Rose and him dated in the 90’s, she didn’t have much bad to say about him. Dita was next starting 2001, who claimed there were problems and hints at abuse, but it gets so much worse with his next long term relationships. To use Rose and Dita as defense for Manson is nonsensical considering his relationships with them were before Evan, and it seemed he gradually got worse after each break up. You know?
I wonder where Missi Romero is rn. She was his girlfriend in the early 90s. She actually got pregnant by him and had an abortion right before they broke up. She was in a doc about him shortly after and if I remember correctly she wasn't exactly favorable in speaking about him.
The alcohol abuse, drug abuse definitely got worse, too. There’s a documentary I saw with his latest girl in it and they’re both fucking messes. MM is fat, drunk, and it’s like 6AM. He needs all the rehab. He isn’t an Ozzy. He will die.
I think his mental health deteriorated over the years, probably worsened or even caused by all the excessive drugs and alcohol. I think he’s always been genuinely messed up in the head but his persona has always allowed him to lean into it instead of seeing it as a bad thing.
well, rose and dita are still friends with him... so it just doesn't make complete sense. I do believe MM is very toxic and probably been abusive, he hasn't really hid this. people are saying he abused them as well but to me making friends with your abuser after getting away doesn't make sense. he probably was toxic in those relationships as well, however, I mean he is a drug and sex addict with mental problems, it's a recipe for that, but it doesn't make sense to me that he is actually a wife-beater and all that. I'm also not going to just take greens' words about everything she claims. they were both doing drugs when they were together, and she knew what kinda person he was before she got involved... he doesn't hide the fact that he is crazy... so I just feel like her accusations are a bit unfair. she says she can't say his name because she is afraid he'll kill her but she's given the whole timeline and basically confirmed it's him so she might as well say his name. not saying it just make so he can't really get an opportunity to say his side. also if she was afraid of her life as he has said he'll kill her if she tells people then she would probably tell her story in a little less revealing way... green said several times she cherished the time with MM and she also apparently knew how MM was like and wanted to be apart of the rock and roll shit... also, it is a little strange that everything she says matches with things he has said in media, like how she included a lot of the things he has said and could be used against him in that one testimony. he really does say a lot of bullshit so he is an easy target, you could easily make crazy accusations about him and have lots of evidence against him because of everything he says. so, if he was an abuser, considering he is a very intelligent guy, I don't think he would dear to say stuff that he does if he really does that stuff. because he knows how easily people could use it against him... I'd don't know man, this situation is hard, I'm just afraid of another JD situation, we need to value innocent until proven guilty. also, esmes timeline doesn't really add up. they only dated for a year, and her timeline goes on for longer, she was in her late 30s when she with him, he was on tour during this year and their relationship wasn't actually serious as far as we know... their testimonies are very emotional though and I don't feel as they're lying but I still don't feel like I can go along with blaming MM for this. actual evidence needs to be brought forward.
@@Catalina-Winemixer he seems much better now so props to him for that. looks like he sobered up. he got married early this year as well, they look happy together. hope it is as healthy as it looks and no abuse is taking place.
another thing that edwin forgot to mention is manson’s music vid: “running to the edge of the world,” where a young woman who looks very similar to evan is tied up to a chair and being beaten and then locked in a room. the track has a lyric line: “together as one and against all others.” which references the heart shaped glasses vid that evan stars in. so basically that track is 100% about evan. but notice just how awful he portrays her. clearly he was possessive of her and his “love” for her was incredibly toxic & abusive.
lol just found out that the official vid of running to the edge of the world was removed from manson’s official yt. makes sense if he is trying to save face right now. but for those that are interested, you can find it re-uploaded by other users.
Speaking of The Heart Shape Glasses video, where she's pretty much having sex on camera 🙄 Is she a victim or not!? She has said it was not MM that she was talking about. Why would he want to talk about rumors and gossip in a magazine that's supposed to be about music. .Save that shit for The Enquireror!
@@raggityanne9916 she never said that lol. she never mentioned it was Manson but she also didn’t say that it wasn’t. But the timelines match perfectly. And also she didn’t out him bc of blackmail & threatened her life so it’s super understandable that she didn’t. The heart shaped glasses video she was acting. It’s not unusual for an actress to be in a sex scene, it’s literally part of the job. Using that as some valid reason of her not being a victim makes zero sense though
Don't see anyone apologising. It's easy for sheeple to conflate someone's stage persona with who he really is. That's how you cancel people. Just looks at Amber Turd.
I'm surprised so many people have not heard these rumors/accusations about MM. He has a very good PR team to keep this stuff swept under the rug or dismissed as fake. Also, his poor fans probably don't want to believe it ALso, thank you for the video Edwin, thank you for organizing all this info for yet another difficult subject
I've never heard about rumors but connected the dots myself when I heard Evan's testimony. There's no doubt in my mind that she was talking about Marilyn.
Many people simply don't care about celebrities and only watch, read or listen to their content. I couldn't tell you shit about my favourite musicians and actors because I neither read any gossip sites or follow them online, so I imagine many people handle it that way. Separating art from artist is a lot healthier IMO.
I’ve been sending this story to youtubers for MONTHS because as a fan, I’m very very ashamed on how I defended that man for 10+ years. Especially when he bragged about abusing fans, partners, and colleagues for years. I’m so upset that ERW provided the courts with evidence and they had throw the case out because of the statute of limitations as well.
A lot of fans actually noticed his violent behaviour, we just ignored it cause of his music :( I had my suspicion years ago, but most of the fans simply didn't want to ruin their image of him
@@ekaterinavladimirovna88 i would like to believe that, but I ignored a lot of fucked up shit he did for years, now I just can't when there's so much evidence. I still love his music, but I can't support him as a person anymore
Wow I had no idea how these woman stories were related and that is insane. When the MeToo movement was happening it seemed like all the focus was on Harvey Weinstein, but of course there must be so many others...
Manson has told us over the years who he is, what he does, what his views are and we put this down to shock value or hyperbole. Typical of hiding in plain sight.
Manson seemed exactly how I pictured him: controlling, over-compensating, and f-cking annoying. Hearing a privileged wealthy corporate celeb bragging about knowing people in gangs ("in low places") was tasteless. So was the line 'I don't whine about what happened to me in my early life- well except for in my book, go buy it'. The MeToo comments just sounded like his PR team had NO idea who to market their music to anymore... and was a "show your hand" moment for me. Even if he didn't abuse these women (and I believe most signs point to the opposite), he's leaving the door open- using them as shields AND trying to appeal to the small crowd that would be unfazed by that. (Shades of taking a political endorsement from a publicly scummy organization.) He doesn't mind the rumors- if he minded them he would've cleared them up- unless of course they are more than rumors. His ex's want to extend the SOL on this crime- he engages in "crimes" on his birthday and says "I won't talk about it until the SOL expires"- he must be aware of playing into these rumors-right? Tasteless person with a huge ego and overblown sense of self-importance.
Maybe he hasn’t realized that the world has changed the group of us that grew up listening to his music have grown up! and see the truth of abuse manipulation and don’t like it. It may have been cool when we’re kids maybe didn’t think much beyond that. But not anymore time for him to grow up now too. And realize his time in the spotlight is over.
Ok, so this is a separate thing, but I've only just come to realise that Lindsay follows an insane amount of fan pages for Manson on Instagram. Like, maybe I'm thinking too much of it... but I mean... she's married to the man. Does she really need to follow over 60 pages about him? Am I thinking too much of that, or is that unnecessarily obsessive for someone who's married to him?
It feels weird to me. If I were married to a famous person, I'd follow them online, maybe a couple of decent fan pages that do cool art or photo edits or something, but 60 pages is a lot. Definitely feels like she's trying to keep tabs on the fan pages.
Makes me sick to my stomach...I can only imagine what these women went through. He said himself he wants to smash her skull with a sledgehammer. He’s vile.
*UPDATE:* Evan has named Manson and multiple other women have come out with stories about him. There have been a LOT of developments that I am actively working to compile for the follow up video. It is quite overwhelming, but I will try to have it for this weekend. *Please share this video! It is only reaching a small number of people outside of my subscriber base and I believe it to be one of my most important videos.* Exploring the incredible amount of correlations between real life and theatrics with the man behind the dope show. After a month in the making, I present to you a very heavy and tough watch regarding the abuse allegations (or rumors) surrounding Marilyn Manson. Please beware that some of the content in this video discusses sensitive. Thumbs up the video and share it on social media to support it. I feel we may be on the brink of more to come. *RUclips marked this video as limited to no ads which tends to limit recommendation among new viewers so I really appreciate everyone who has been sharing it!
Very well done! 👏 ❤
I've learnt well in my life how duplicitous people can be.
REW made a claim without making a claim. Safe from a defamation lawsuit. I choose to believe that people are innocent until proven guilty.
There is no way to win in this situation. Proof or it didn't happen. As a DV myself I find non specific "allegations" troubling and feel they do more harm than good to victims in the long run. Do not "believe all women (or men" believe evidence!
Sucks to admit but my mum was right disliking him.
Who has a suggestion on what I can do with the CDs I have and the Shirt ?
I don't want to be involved in art of a person that is heavily accused of unspeakable things and who seams more the guilty to me.
@@junevalkyriafreyasdaughtir , burn them. He'd definitely not want you repping him, trust. Lolol.
@@actuallyNo... thx for the suggestion. So kind of you
Evan Rachel Wood saying that she “would not change anything about their relationship” or that she “appreciates everything he taught her” could be interpreted multiple ways & many of them are not necessarily positive.
Additionally, it's common for victims of abuse to defend or even speak highly of their abusers. I did it for a long time myself, and didn't realize what was actually going on or what happened to me
@@jenniesweet_bean7579 I just think they were both on drugs. Which you can’t have an healthy relationship in that state. Also he is mentally unstable.
Gaslighting makes you believe something that isn’t real. Could’ve been a part of the abuse and manipulation she endured.
@@paperplains7285 You can tell he’s a narcissist.
@@jenniesweet_bean7579 I second this one, but in an employer sense. Btw DO NOT work for Kamans Art Shoppes, a company in most theme parks. I have a theory that the higher ups are white supremacists, as I've never seen/met a non-white manager, in my 7 years. Horrible to employees and emotionally manipulative to local artists to work for them.
He's afraid the me-too movement is going to ruin the industry? Shouldn't he direct that at the perpetrators, not the victims?
YES
True indeed!
While I know that there is a shitton of bs claims made with the Me Too movement attached to it, it's not entirely just that. And if anything it really should just be directed towards the people who abuse the other party.
Maybe someone didn't quite think that statement through before making it...
Manson is a narcissist. He suffers from both crippling low self esteem and also deep delusions of grandeur! A beta selling us the vision of an alpha. In that interview he basically turned down, he did so because he was caught off guard or had no good way to spin the narrative in his favor. He couldn’t control the journalist, so he repeated himself till the time ran out. He even made sure to mention that he had only given 2 interviews in the UK as a means to weaponize himself. His hope was that no one dare bring anything like that up again, least they lose any further opportunity. I’m sure he hoped the the journalist in question would be fired for “dropping the ball” on such a important figure in music. Manson assumes that we are all stupid. He thinks he smarter than everyone else. It’s right there in his music. IMO, Manson could have just as easily been a David Koresh or Jim Jones. He even idolizes the very figure with his name.... MANSON. When someone tells you who they are, believe them!!! The man is as about as deep as a puddle, and just as dirty. I hope he never gets another good nights sleep for every vile thing he has done to anyone. You wanted Hell sir, it has finally come for you.... you’re just not in charge. Great work Edwin. I can’t wait to see where you take us next!!! 💜
@@reneebingham7872 massively overestimating his own value there too. Maybe you'd get it in the neck back in the 90s if Manson refused an interview but his music is no longer innovative and he hasn't stayed relevant enough to pull power plays like that.
Manson is not a good person by any means lol. He is a Satanist and doesn't care for anyone but himself and maybe his goons. He is a beta male.
''I can't believe he could do this'' yeah is not like we have compilations of him being violent towards band members when they were in a unprovoked situation, is not like he was arrested for sexually assaulting a bodyguard. As Bailey Sarian famous quote: get better idols
Whoa 😳 I hope Edwin does turn this into a series
I love Bailey!!!!!!!💖💖💖
I have thought that exact same bailey quote about getting better idols...Yeah and I don’t know why anybody is surprised about this.
Well those two are obvious things he has done and they were both for show. But this...
ugh no more bailey shit
His name is Brian , let’s take away his pseudonym and remove the veil he used to avoid responsibility, in the name of art. I can’t believe it’s taken twenty years for this to come to mainstream . He talks about it in his own book from the 90’s.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!
He admits this stuff and most think its part of his act! It isn't !!!!
Wait what does he said in the book? He admitted of abusing her partners? Wow this is even crazier, disgusting
@@user-lb8sv1nc1d not especially partners per se. He talks about liaisons he had with females and degrading things he did. Some with Trent (which Trent denied)He talks about a contraption he would put males and females in , essentially naked and would have them confess to things they had done in the past. He talks about violence etc. I guess at the time the book was released it could have been called a work of fiction. He could also state that it was consensual, but even if it was it’s pretty horrific and as a human being to another could certainly cause lifelong psychological issues, if indeed true.
It’s dangerous people saying he is innocent of these crimes. How can we know what he did or didn’t do, unless we know him personally and nobody truly knows what people are like at home.
I don’t think that’s really what’s important herr
I had his book when I was a teenager, before Evan even entered the picture. He details many, many abusive instances himself. In his own words. So in my mind, it is very likely it is him. And he is drawing it out as long as possible so there is no consequence. Waiting for people to forget.
This would also be why he does not support the me too movement. He would be crucified by it.
I remember a portion of the book being about Evan? At the end when he was writing in blood on the wall? Or was that about Rose
@@cocodollydear9 He was with Rose when the book came out, you can look up images from his release party, hes sat with her
@@RiddleOfAGirl what is the book called
The book was called the long hard road out of hell
Honestly HUGE props to the Heavy Metal Magazine for touching on MeToo and cancel culture. It's interesting how easily you can make certain people squirm with certain questions. It's very uncomfortable. At the very least, it's clear Manson doesn't care about women's rights or the abuse that his ex has experienced. If Manson is threatening to cut contact between himself and the magazine just because of those types of questions, that's a blessing in disguise, not a threat. Why would any magazine want to be associated with a star like that? The past lawsuits and his public statements denying allegations, or childishly avoiding the topics as you can see he's uncomfortable like he's been caught in a corner, shows SO much about him. He's become the exact thing he used to claim he was fighting against in the 90s. He looks like an old washed up fool now
And that's why they asked him those questions, because they believe he did it. I'm very glad they did, they wanna see him pay for it. Many many of us believe he did it, and it doesn't help that he apparently threatened that editor's life and his family's.
You said this so well. In the 90’s when he got famous I remember seeing interviews where he was saying something about standing up to oppressive culture. And while I can’t stand his music, I thought good for you to challenge the system. And now he is doing the exact opposite by alluding to the me too movement as a destroyer of lives/careers. It’s always sad when the oppressed becomes the oppressor, but all too common.
Jelly, brilliant write up. Pls fwd this to all your social media ♥️
Marilyn Manson wont get canceled. The man is worth $25mil.
@@AmandaDixson Ca$h is a poor man's money..
The most idiotic thing I have ever heard is that people coming out about their abuse in the industry could "ruin entertainment". The ones ruining it isn't the victims, it's the abusers. There would be nothing to complain about if these creepy directors weren't using their "power" over vulnerable people who need jobs. Women, men; it doesn't matter. Nobody should have to suffer in fear that they'll be blacklisted because they didn't do something they didn't want to do.
Well said! The statement (against me too) is actually proof that the person is an abuser. And afraid.
Well it does ruin the abusers work, that’s really all he could be fearing lol.
The fact that you say this, means you clearly do not understand the context.
Is it fair to say the accused shouldn't be blacklisted either before proven guilty?
1000%!
Well with Evan making the official call on Manson, this analysis aged PERFECTLY.
It was a month ago what do you mean it aged
@@juvenilemachine a month ago is earlier than 2 days ago no?
@@juvenilemachine a month ago we didn't know for sure it was MM
it's so well researched, omg
Aged? It just came out.
Jeffree Star is just Bubblegum Marilyn Manson
Is so true. Is dissapointing because I really like the art they produce. But fuch them pos, they need to pay for what they've done.
I fully support Evan Rachel Wood.
100% that was going through my mind the entire time I was watching this.
T Chu Marilyn follows Jeffree on IG lol 😂
Oh my god I am screaming I see it 😭
@@volcompunk58 lmao whatt?? 🤣
idolizing a person an then discovering that the're everything you hate is horrible
16 year old me is v sad right now
I feel you!
So true, I sure can relate, especially in this instance.
It's not necessarily him. ERW hasn't named her abuser. We don't know who it was.
@user name Well he's not squeaky clean, we know that much.
But what ERW describes is truly horrific; a special kind of evil. I never imagined him as a monster.
Maybe it was him. Maybe it wasn't.
“I like to commit crimes that are unnoticeable by the law.” a slap in the face to women everywhere across the world.
Yep! Like grooming young, naive women into Being in “relationships” with you, to make rape and abuse look consensual.
There's so much s%&t we get away with doing to you guys it would make you feel sick. You never have a clue. Only if you're jerks though. Being a gentleman, kind, trustworthy to everyone around you & loving animals seems to help with every woman that I've ever talked to. Oh & please don't hate us right when you meet us just because we're women. We can tell. I don't hate anyone unless they're cruel.
Lol ok
@@SH-je4qg only idiots don't see it. The rest of us just try to overlook it or turn it around to work to our advantage unless the woman is so manipulative that it's not worth it.
@@thejohn6614 only idiots don't see what? What manipulative women get away with? BTW, I'm happily married. Wasn't talking about myself. But I don't think manipulators would let you try to ignore them. My sister is one. I've never seen a man ignore her. I've seen them try.
I at first fell in love of him because of how intelligent he sounded despite so many people criticizing him, mostly for how he looked. He always ended up sounding like the more mature and smart one in arguments. He definitely has the ability to manipulate. This is just so disappointing and hypocritical of him. I do believe it is important to get this information out as it has been around for a while.
Yeah it’s the old « word salad tactic » of manipulation, if done well , and he does it very well , it’s almost like the people are getting hypnotized !
You guys bring up an interesting point. There are so many people who have horrible vocabulary and diction. People struggle with public speaking for a multitude of reasons, but socially we look down on people who don't speak well as "uneducated". I have heard people say that not being able to speak well doesn't mean someone isn't intelligent, but it's always been a trigger for me. Hearing this point now really speaks to me. There is no reason at all to put someone on a pedestal just because they know how to speak. It doesn't make them more intelligent, more interesting or more worth while. Im so glad that has finally clicked for me.
@@kokolatte825 So true.
@M J I admired him and his personality... I didn't mean I fell in love with him in a literal sense, it's just a saying...
I had a huge crush on him in my teens and was jealous of Dita when they married. Later I found out that Dita filed for divorce, and after reading all the info from both sides I sided with her. She wanted to settle down (and have kids, I vaguely remember), but he kept drinking, partying, taking drugs, AND cheating on her. His response was to bitch and criticize her. He's too deep in the rock lifestyle and he'll never grow up.
you’re like really good at mimicking his voice wtf
ikr !! its insane
I thought it was him reading for a minute tbh
i agree!! alot of times i legit thought it was manson talking!
Vocal creaking. It's like the frog voice
He's good at singing Manson songs, too!
36 dating 18? THATS A RED FLAG ALREADY.
That’s just Los Angeles, sadly. That being said though, ppl should keep in mind that half the population of LA are transplants. So creepy people come from everywhere
@@harlequinheart3 idc it's creepy and wrong everywhere
YUP
Wow ageism, you do know that's shallow AF right? That's legal and not actually a sign of immediately power imbalance. What's actually a red flag? Writing a memoir in which you make yourself sound like an absolute monstrous psychopath.
@@azarinevil “ageism”
Edwin's "Manson voice" is creepily on point.
Uh no. Mansons voice is much deeper.
@Rosemarie Plant Well, that's me told. Seriously though, my hearing is notoriously bad so maybe take my opinions on audio with a grain of salt. XD
I mean Edwin doesn’t sound like Marilyn but it’s a pretty good imitation
At first I thought it was
Bro Marilyn Manson straight up admitted to almost killing two people in the mid nineties-a woman he dated, who he ultimately chose not to kill because at the time at the attempted murder, there was a witness, and his second bassist (Gidget Gein), who was overdosing on heroin. Manson claimed he seriously considered positioning Gein so that he would choke on his own vomit, but chose not to after another person there pointed out that there was a chance that he would get caught doing so.
The Gidget Gein stuff is really sad :( Have you seen the "Demystifying the Devil" documentary? Brian probably wanted to get rid of Gidget because he was getting all the girls.
I believe it was Daisy Berkowitz that he wanted to kill, Gidget joined later
@@AW-jl1tj Scott (daisy) was such a good guy he died recently
No, I double checked, it was Gidget. Forgot that Scott was a bassist in the band at one point tho.
My ex “friend” worshipped Manson and ultimately wanted me dead and stalked me I WISH I realized to avoid all that this is wild
The fact that he admitted to cutting himself when Evan didn't answer phone calls is admitting to abuse. He specifically said he did it for her to see
Yep, I remember that. Drug and alcohol abuse isn’t pretty. I often wonder if he might be BPD, but who knows?
He cut himself for each missed call! It was fucking insane.
@@Catalina-Winemixer Way to make fun of people with mental illness lol...
@@JBRich1 it could be. There are folks that have it, but they never go to this extent. Maybe it could also be something else, who knows.
@@Taylor-fw4ue not the point dude. Having a mental illness is not a get out of jail free card for abusive behaviour. That's a shitty line of thought anyway as you're supposing all mentally ill people lack the basic decency and compassion to do better.
All I get from Manson is: "OMG! Rape and domestic violance victims' complaining is ruining al the fun!"
Well your lack of ability to look at nuance, context is disappointing.
@@herebutthere5989 pray tell what context makes that attitude ok
@@herebutthere5989 please explain
Disclaimer: I don't want to defend abuse or rape and I never will. Those acts are disgusting and should never happen.
Marilyn Manson has always said stuff to provoke and/or shock people. And he never cared what that reactions was. If you were in love - good. If you were disgusted - good. It was always open to interpretation, because it was always meant to be that way for him.
Unless there is a video of him defending himself in a police interrogation or in court in front of a judge, you will never get a straight answer from him and he would rather let you believe all those bad things about him than correct you about it.
Of course in a serious situation like now, this behaviour backfires. It already did when FBI searched his home, because they wanted to bust him as responsible for the Columbine Shooting.
If he did what is alleged, he should be convicted. I will condemn him then. Right now it doesn't look good, but it is more or less hearsay. We haven't heard all sides to the situation at hand. We thought the same when Johnny Depp was being accused by Amber Heard of abuse. We were all so quick to condemn him and denounce him and burn him at the stake.
Now we are not so sure anymore if we did the right thing.
And I won't do the same mistake twice - I will wait what a police investigation will bring. I hope they bring everything to the authorities so it can be handled professionaly. So in the end there is a conviction and clarity in a court of law, not in a court of public opinion.
@@DasSinaTier I love how u broke that down!
MM's own former personal assistant, Dan Cleary, has accused him on Twitter, detailing how he worked directly with Manson on tour when Evan was with him (he didn't specify what job he had on the tour) and when he became a personal assistant to Manson in 2014-2015 where he describes Manson's abusive behaviour towards his girlfriend (now wife) Lindsay Usich. I don't believe there's any benefit to him lying. I don't know what he can get out of that aside from a lawsuit if he's not selling a story.
Evan Rachel Wood named her abuser today on Instagram; Brian Warner/Marilyn Manson. Four other women posted their abuse stories at the hands of him in response.
There's this amazing motivation called money
@@archfiend221 who is asking for money?
@@bunnieseatingspam obviously the exes
@@archfiend221 "the exes" are already doing just fine financially
Metal Hammer didn't mess up this Manson interview... they actually did something groundbreaking here. I love it. As always Edwin great job and thank you for laying all this out and creating a very interesting story, I hope this continues and develops. It's very important stuff!
@Lady Fervor And yeah definitely found the Manson cheerleader. So a journalist is not supposed to address something? They gave Manson a chance to clear the air and his name, he chose to act in ways that proved the point. Honest people don't hide from questions.
They gave him a chance to explain himself and thought it was strange he didnt want to.
"ive done a lot of illegal stuff" "ive been arrested" that's your best attempt at being edgy??? like are you 12?
The way he talked about “doing illegal stuff that can’t be caught” made me imagine him jay-walking and acting like he’s a badass for it lmao
@@goblincatgirl big ole same
I’m a fucking suburban housewife weenie and BRUH SAME
@@goblincatgirl I imagined him illegally downloading his own album
He screams Narcissistic Personality Disorder. He’s sick.
I've been a huge lover of Marilyn Manson's music since the 90's. There is no doubt that it is him. He has said and done things that indicate so much. He told about him cutting himself after a breakup and wanting to hurt Evan after they broke up, in interviews. I remember when he was dating Evan, and she started dying her hair black and wearing makeup like his x-wife, and at that time, I stupidly thought SHE was trying to copy her. But no, he had been forcing her to.
Evan's testimony are so hard to watch, I feel for her. He needs to be held accountable. I hate it so much. Just ignoring it because you love his music is WRONG.
YES. all those fangirls in the comments are literally supporting the wrong side of history.
I had the exact same thoughts back in the day about Evan wanting to "be like" Dita. Makes so much sense the other way around.
@@missbraindamage Yes, I feel so sorry for thinking that. Meantime she was in Hell. We need to be kinder to each other
I think he's got talent as an artist, but I too remember when she first started dating him when she was younger. I just thought that she was changing herself for another person. No one should have to do that.
@@ekaterinavladimirovna88 yes follow the facts, but also don't let your fandom blind you if the facts don't line up with your expectations. We never truly know what goes on behind closed doors of people, even the ones we know from a day to day basis, so I wait for more facets of this to come to light.
24:48 Yes, Brian Warner, you were abused when you were a child but you didn't have to turn into an abuser yourself. That was YOUR CHOICE.
Yeh, Brian. 💩
Hate when people use this as an excuse! Abusers get away with this defence way too often.
Explanation sure not really an excuse
Exactly true, agreed 💯
It's the exact same issue with Robert Kelly! He was abused as a child as well as his younger brother (who didn't choose to repeat the abuse) inappropriately and uses that as an excuse 😒🙄 ahhh he is a different story but still, some people have horrible upbringings and chose to better themselves and rise above it 😔 it's really sad aye
yeah AND you knew exactly the kinda person he was as he thoroughly explained it in autobiography & you dated him anyway Evan. That was YOUR CHOICE.
Mind. Blowing. I NEVER heard ANY of that before. You did a phenomenal job. I liked how you had everyone reading the different parts. Wow, I’m gonna have to let this all sink in. You’ve put together a very strong circumstantial case against him. It’s making me ill to think about what those poor women went through. Disgusting. PS anytime you hear “I won’t dignify that with an answer.” you KNOW they did whatever it is.
Yeah this is kind of rough for me because I’ve never heard any of this either and I was a HUGE Marilyn Manson fan growing up but stopped listening after the Eat Me, Drink Me album because he just totally fell off for me. An old coworker of mine went to see him in Portland and he stopped in a middle of a song to snort cocaine I guess, like good lord my dude. Some of the things he put out was getting a little too disturbing for me as well and I was a little worried one day we’d all hear about him being an abuser and unfortunately I was right. Everything I heard in this sickens me to the absolute core. I really hate that his earlier music is such a huge part of me life. Yuck🤢🤮
I have almost ALL of manson's cds...+ his book. Sure they are at my parents house. I loved him during my teens... Even saw him live. I don't what to do but to throw them in the bin.
@@f1zzg1g_47 I must confess that I wasn’t a huge fan. I really liked a bunch of his songs in the mid to late 90s. I only saw him because he was opening for NIN back then. It was a great show and you knew he’d be headlining his own soon. It’s interesting you said that about the Coc use considering the clip in this video where he insinuated he was snorting a line. That combined with his own demons is an ah ha moment, but not an excuse. I’ve only heard of Evan Rachel Wood, but have never seen anything she’s been in. I knew about Rose and Dita. I’m with you, it’s vomit inducing. You can’t fault yourself for his music resonating with you. None of this was known at the time. If it spoke to you, it spoke to you. You’re not clairvoyant, nor could you see into the future. Go easy on yourself, life is hard enough as is. Just make sure to help bring awareness, share Edwin’s video, and let people know. Knowledge is power!
@@Somebody9666 I wouldn’t. I’d see whether you could sell them to a used record store or something. None sense in putting them in a landfill where they’ll pollute the earth too. See what you can get for them or trade them in for a used CD of another artist you like.
@@narcoasa3968 , now there's a good person to talk about...Trent Reznor a d company. I hope if you dislike Manson you equally dislike them too now(?)...dont be shy. Pretty much everyone in this thread should be throwing away every cd or song or book by a musician or artist they've ever had because chances are they're just like the latter. ..
....oh wait, we have to see what Edwin says 1st. My bad. How silly. Youre right.
No one is bad until EDWIN SAYS SO! GAVEL DOWN!!!! Lol lol.
I'm kinda old so I remember when they started dating and how it was thought to be REALLY weird that Evan Rachel Wood, then an up and coming blonde teen actress, was suddenly always dressed like a Victorian/dark pinup model. At the time people thought she was just really young and imitating Manson's ex wife Dita von Teese, who has always had that type of style.
Now look back at ALL of his exes and you can clearly see each one dressing similarly while with him- and besides Dita von Teese, none of them dress that way before or after the relationship.
I think he was desperately trying to prove he could still “get it” after ruining his relationship w Dita so he started seeing Evan and probably took out all his personal issues on the poor girl knowing he could take advantage of her naïveté if that makes sense.. he’s been on a massive decline after he peaked in the 90s and it’s obvious the man is on drugs 24/7
She showed up with rose colored glasses I remember. I am older too an I could never stand Manson. I grew up spoiled with good music, I'm sure it's the same for you. Rose McGowan was a bit goth, wore that see through beaded dress long before Dita. Whom are both too much of classy ladies to stay with someone like him.
Agreed 👍
@@odynobodie Agreed 👍
@Eddie T. she was just 18 years old and he was 33!
He's literally old enough to be her fuckin father!
There's a lot of room for exploitation and manipulation with that HUGE age gap, not to mention he's a fucking rockstar, rich and famous.
Severe gaslighting and brainwashing!
She was at his mercy, he could've killed her if he wanted to and said so with his own mouth.
Dude. Is that you doing his voice!? Spot on!
right? his impression is so good i almost couldn't tell the difference
The very first interview he interpreted of him, I was away from my phone for a min! And I had to hurry to get to my phone expecting to see the in person interview. Lol! Then obviously realized it was Edwin and John Swan! 😂😂👌🏼👌🏼
@BabyChainGang I tried looking that up but I can't find anywhere that says Manson takes estrogen
@BabyChainGang estrogen doesn't do that. Vocal chords can't become shorter or thinner, so only ftm can get deeper voices with hormones, not vice versa.
@BabyChainGang estrogen doesn’t do that
I have my issues with Rose, but she stuck to her word. She is completely supporting Evan right now. You have to respect that.
same. it's pretty badass. there are other vocal supporters of metoo who instantly fold the second one of their friends is accused.
Funny how dita and rose were abused. In fact, dita said she never felt the way evan did.
No. No I do not hafta respect that. You do not automatically believe the accused.
As the woman who came forward as the first victim of Weinstein, I was interested to hear thoughts about this. I remember her giving interviews about how diffrent Manson was in "real life".
I'm glad she didn't use her personal experience to doubt another's and stood up for Woods.
You can clearly put two and two together.
It really does sadden me bc I'm actually a huge Manson fan. Hearing these allegations more and more and his lack of a real response make him look worse and worse. 😒😒😒
Huge influence for me as far as opening my eyes to different genres,and art. However you can be influenced without liking the actual person in real life,or agree with their actions.
@@lotusfilms6082 that's for sure true. Time to separate the art from the artist 🤷🏻♀️
You might be about to put two and two together but that doesn't make it correct. Remember that ! And why are people suddenly shocked, he has been this kind of man since day one.
@@herebutthere5989 True
Same here, I grew up with his music, it used to be the only thing I enjoyed through my teenage years. It’s quite eye opening knowing that someone you idolise so much can be capable of such horrible things.
As someone who read Manson’s autobiography I immediately thought of him when Evan came out with her allegations against an ex. He’s capable of extreme cruelty and sadism, especially if it’s for “fun” or he’s being egged on. There’s a passage in the book about this awful things him and his bandmates did to groupies, in particular this deaf woman who they put lunch meat on then peed on as they screamed insults at her about her being deaf. He even admits him and this guy he toured with came up with sick games to torment groupies with and pit themselves against each other. Unfortunately I do like his music still but if you paid attention to his persona he’s always been a “bad guy” who often feels sorry for himself.
@Lady Fervor So blame victims and people who are lied to by their idol? Congrats on being exactly what abusers want.. A cheerleader willing to sing their songs.
@@azarinevil Although I get your point, she’s not entirely wrong. Fans who support or ignore such behaviors might do that in their own personal circles as well and that may give leeway to other abusers. In my opinion it’s less about fan/groupie culture and more about society itself. At the end of the day, both celebrities and spectators are humans, both could assault and abuse. And denial can be a form of abuse too
@@i.f.5566 I think one major difference between an abusive celebrity and an abusive non celebrity (not saying one is worse than the other AT ALL) is that with the celebrity, there's already an already built-in power dynamic, in which the celebrity holds all or most of the power when interacting with a "normal person." When a fan meets a celebrity, they're already trying to impress them, they're vulnerable in the situation and are less likely to say no or fight back because of it. So when someone who's already an abusive shit or prone to violence (like Manson seems to be - I was a huge fan growing up and I have also read his memoir multiple times) become celebrities, their predatory breeding ground is widened substantially and getting the opportunity to abuse is far easier.
TLDR: an abuser is going to abuse, but being a celebrity abuser makes it far easier.
@@doperagu8471 Yes that’s very true! Plus they tend to have this extra « charm » or « charisma » because of their status. It happened with Davie Vanity as well. But what’s also interesting to note is that his fans (victims of his brainwashing) would violently harass the victims who dared to speak out. So although the artist remain at the core of the problem, I just think it’s good to acknowledge that aspect of some of the fans. More so as a way of trying to understand how this influence trickles down to younger audiences who might in turn become victims or abusers.
I hope my comment doesn’t come of as me saying the celebrity isn’t the main problem! I definitely believe he is in that case.
@@i.f.5566 Well maybe look at these comments as to the blind defenders vs fans who read the memoir. A lot of us read that and realized all those horror stories that we were hearing, were true. That book makes it very clear Manson's abusive AF and likes to be able to openly get away with it. He got into celebrity culture to indulge that side of himself. Most of the last line of Manson fans are people who didn't get that information, they didn't read how he took pleasure in torturing groupies and band mates, in ways that are actually considered torture by the Geneva convention FFS.
PLEASE MAKE THIS A SERIES! This was beyond eye-opening!
@@ekaterinavladimirovna88 I've been researching these claims for three years now. The timeline matches perfectly. I used to be a hardcore fan but after I realized who Manson really is I woke up. I still respect his art but I can't support him any more. I suggest you do the same, but I know most fans aren't willing to believe the truth and instead keep their heads in the sand.
Also, when Manson let go of Twiggy in late 2017 because of a rape allegation against him, Manson probably did that to remove himself as far away as possible from these kind of scenarios. He must have felt some heat there.
I bet he fired Twiggy to save his ass.
From what I’ve heard he fired twiggy because twiggy admitted to it ....
I was so disappointed to hear about Twiggy. Jeordie seemed like such a cool guy when he was in his pre-Manson days as bass player of the South Florida band Amboog-A-Lard, or however it was spelled.
Manson's day of reckoning is upon him
That's what I thought! And he was doing the same shit. So twisted. Look up "marilyn manson is abusive" documentary
Today I learned that Marilyn Manson is literally a 14 year old edgelord. How disappointing that people like him exist, freely.
There’s a 90’s psychology / psychiatry study done in Germany, where it was established that the vast majority of people never mature beyond the age of 14, sure they hold down a job; maybe, and ‘adult’ on Bills / Rent etc. But their emotional maturity will always remain stunted, making bad decisions one after the other...
@@DARTHMOBIUS I completely believe this. Im almost 30 and man, if people don't put in the work, they stay kids The amount of single dudes I've seen whos houses look like a teen boy lives there is....staggering. and just the amount of poorly adjusted people I've had to deal with in customer service jobs. It's sad. We prioritize MONEY AND CAREER and basically dig ourselves deeper into emotional distress with everything else, forever. Thank god therapy is becoming normalized.
@Zach n' Lindsey G. *emphasised point...
@@DARTHMOBIUS do you know what the name of the article is?
@@DARTHMOBIUS as a licensed therapist, I actually believe this.
Even if he hasn't done these evil things (it really doesn't look good though), the way he talks in these interviews, and the things he says are very suspect and don't help paint him in a positive light.
He's the type to blame society and hide behind the fact that "he's just being targeted because he's a high profile star and dresses alternatively and has an alternative edgy perspective" but in reality he's just SUSPICIOUS AS HELL at this point!
Yea its disturbing like, you actually know dangerous people? And are proud of that? And he kept repeating this like its a thinly veiled threat and the fact that he blatantly says he has committed heinous things and doesn't get caught for them. Yea.....like what? Rape? Pedophilia? Murder? Its just unsettling all around
Exactly! I hadn't seen this side of Manson before, and it was extremely disturbing.
@Jacques De Molay He didn't fool me into thinking anything bc I've never cared enough about him to dig this deeply. I never understood what Trent Reznor saw in him, tbh
I'm a huge MM fan and the first time I heard about this, I was distraught. I have followed him closely for a long time and I believe this is what happened to him: He always wanted to be this dark and mysterious character, and after doing hard drugs and drinking a bottle of absinthe every day for twenty years, he started slowly turning into the character he'd made up in his head. He's been violent to himself and to others to further worship his own image as this disturbingly dark character of Marilyn Manson. MM and his best friend Johnny Depp are doing drugs together, making their minds up about the world and their own social standing, and sinking deeper and deeper into the madness that follows that lifestyle of nihilism and hedonism. This is something that happens to most people who have been "stars" for a long time. It's truly dehumanizing. I will always adore the MM I got to know through his autobiography in the 90s. He used to be intelligent and witty. Now he's a glorified junkie who thinks he can do whatever the hell he wants, and it seems like he can actually get away with it all.
MM’s team trying to justify his actions is like that scene on South Park where Kanye tries to explain that Kim isn’t a hobbit.
Now I have to Google that lmao
Kanye " Wait...Hold Up!" (calls Kim to verify she isn't a hobbit)
😂
I hate it when talented people end up being trash.
Being talented and virtuous is not mutually exclusive.
@@ekaterinavladimirovna88 He is an artist, but a trashy human being: Read up on Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
@@seriouslyjoking2 You have no facts, so it is harassment of artist in internet.
@@ekaterinavladimirovna88 Can you just STOP with your cut and pasting the same damn thing, please. Apart from the ardent fan tone, it's just getting boring to keep reading it.
@@ekaterinavladimirovna88 First...it is NOT slander if I am accurate...which I am. And a flying monkey is someone who assists people with Narcissistic Personality Disorder to attack those they deem a threat to them. You have attacked me...so, you must be one of his flying monkeys...since he is a Narcissist. Read up on it...you might learn something. Then, listen to what Evan Rachel Woods described.. And don't bother me. You are speaking to an adult and I can tell that you are what...Russian...by your name...and I cannot be bothered with a little girl.
"Sometimes if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck!-- unless that duck is named Marilyn Manson." Oh my god so true. Everything lines up. Yes it's all allegations at this point, none of us who are level-headed are saying this is proof, but the possibility that he abused these women needs to be seriously considered.
Dude chill out a bit how many comments are you gonna post??
Exactly, at this point the guy is a living legend and still putting out content till this day.
There was so much research that had to be done here, and the amount of time that it took to gather it all shows how thorough and meticulous you are, wow. And then organizing it all, especially the timeline of all of it, and supplementing it with the specific clips and articles at such key points. This is seriously so so so well done. Amazing, Edwin!!
She finally has said it was him. Thank you for being the person who helped her do it. Women are so often blown off about abuse and by supporting her you are preventing him hurting more people. I hope there is justice now for what he did to her. I'm also really impressed by her that she was able to keep up her career after going through that. I'm so proud of her. Thank You Edwin! You're a real hero in a world where I had lost faith in men.
By helping her fabricate a lie?
@@AmandaDixson exactly.
@@TheNraveles So ladies, this is what you call a red flag.
Eat me drink me.
Why is it always women and girls defending him? I have a feeling some of you gals wish it could have been you he was carving up and starving. Y'all need help, ladies.
He absolutely did it. He was abusive to Dita too and the gumption to act like the divorce was Evan's fault. He lost Dita when he was an abusive cheater and Evan was by comparison a kid. Dita has in more recent interviews been more honest about his mental games doing a number on her among other things.
I still follow my abusive ex too, because I am scared not to be nice and I want to know where he is.
Harley, he lives FAR away and has schizophrenia, so if he decides to snap, I would like to know.
We do not talk. I said I follow him. Calling me stupid is so callous. I work with Domestic Violence victims regularly and I would NEVER say that to a survivor.
What was the purpose? To make me feel bad? Like, why even comment if that wasn't the case?
Unfortunately for you, I don't care about baseless reductions on the internet or sway to narcissism anymore.
@Harley Q oh man poor kids
Let me be clear. You do not work in a similar field bc we would never condescend down to survivors or use phrases like triggered, but a narc would.
@@MadamCrass Where can i find these recent videos of Dita?
Omg Dita's words!! Such an important point there because she is a stripper and he wanted her to quit her work so "he could support her." She probably wasn't as vulnerable or easy to manipulate so he didn't get to target her. But even with her, he was violent and rageful and smashed windows? Insane.
Dita has talked about a lot dark things in their marriage. How he wanted her to do something sexual that she didn’t want to. He just found some young woman that he could get to do it and she walked in.
Not a stripper
@@arcanaobscura3519 She does exactly what strippers do she's a stripper. That's not shade that's respect for ALL who do what she does.
Also, Esme Bianco is a former burlesque dancer, and her most famous role on Game of Thrones was as a prostitute who was in many sex scenes.
yeah i have a suspicion that dita was more decisive and not easily manipulatable as the young evan. i mean she did seem to be very determined.
OMG imagine thinking "well they got engaged 6 months later so that basically proves there was no abuse" are they INSANE? the world isn't buying this shit anymore it's almost 2021!
Exactly! It's called manipulation. And if people did any research on domestic abuse, they would know that victims stay attached to their abusers for a long time until they can finally break out of it.
They also seemed to miss the part when she said he would threaten suicide. She most likely went back to him and got engaged because she was scared of him committing suicide.
They know it's a flimsy defense, but they've got nothing else. Just weakass gaslighting.
Preach!
Exactly!
@@KerriKittehx it takes leaving the abuser seven times before you actually break free. These are the statistics. The truth is an abuser is way more likely to kill his victim.
Evan officially named him as her abuser on her instagram today
Evan and about 6 other women!
Bro look at this dude and tell me you didn't see that coming. Are you willingly walking into a chainsaw?
@@Azubjourni i dont think thats fair, ive known people my whole life that look worse than him and are the sweetest people. do i even have to use ted bundy as an example?
@@midnightcryptworx But you where wrong about this one, so no its not your whole life. Many peoole are like this dude, but you guys will just give these stars all a pass, even when they are abusing minors. But yeah he was very sweet to his Ex, thats why she had to call him out without saying his name on different occasions.
@@Azubjourni I don't give anyone a pass if there's proof. My point is that just bc they look a certain way doesn't mean anything. And when i said my whole life i didnt mean MM.
The way he won’t even say her name and just refers to her as “ ex fiancé” a lot of abusers do that.
Yup...classic distancing. Psychological defense mechanism.
Not really. Sometimes it just means that you don’t like that person or you had a bad time with them.
Umm.. most people do this with their ex... "My asshole ex, my ex my ex" no one says " dave". They say my ex.
@@samantharondeau4580 hahaha fr
Kinda like you can see Chris Watts always calling his children "those kids" in his interrogation tapes
Am I the only one that gets extreme secondhand embarrassment from watching Marilyn Manson? Like he tries way too hard and it’s sad
He’s disgusting. Can’t believe anyone would even want to date him in the first place. (I’m talking before his abusive persona showed.)
Yes. It looks especially pathetic because he is old now. 🤣
Honestly, in his prime, there was something absolutely fascinating about him. It didn't hurt that he was, in a way, Trent Reznor's protege. At this point in his life, it is sad. It is very try-hard.
I feel you. He has always been ridiculous through my eyes, could never understand what people liked on him. Too much, he's never felt organic.
@@lavinanine6359 That is WHY he grooms them.
I think this is your most groundbreaking video. this needs to be spread and he needs to be EXPOSED. I love(d) his music. But I've read his memoir and it was very disturbing. Marilyn Manson is not a character; it's a way to live out his psychotic desires.
I haven't read the book so could u tell me the stories that make him sound psycho
@@sg5067 they are actually much too graphic for me to feel comfortable typing them up in a comment, but you can find info on the internet
@@sg5067 I have not read it but I’d heard that he has said stuff like “you’re not gay if you suck a dick but if your dick gets hard when you suck, then you’re gay”, “you want to have sex with girls so you can get them pregnant with girls and let them grow up as lesbians”, etc. I find that a bit disturbing...
@@cosmicmoonpie1857 that's ok thank u
@@rufiredup90 ew that's fucking gross honestly don't see why there's so many ppl arguing like "YOURE NOT A REAL FAN IF UR WILLING TO UNSTAN BC OF ALLEGATIONS" but even without the allegations the dude has said some really dodgy shit...
Rose McGowan stuck to her word and is standing with Evan! 🖤
Rose is garbage but I'm glad she's doing one thing right
I don't know how much smoke there needs to be until people realize there's fire
I agree
I had friends who were fans of MM back in the day, and they talked about how the public image was just for art, and that he was actually just a nice dude with rowdy creativity. I... I should not be surprised learning the information in this video, because I should’ve been taking MM at his own word, rather than the word of his teenage fans.
There's smoke on the whole World. When are you gonna realize that much? Lolol.
I find it funny but so sad. Everyone is always trying to be the villagers with torches, no matter WHO the "monster" is. One person says something then another follows and on until everyone is following the group of hang-noosers.
Simps... Edwin even says this is rumor and they all grab their torch and pitch forks!
@@emd1494 what i meant, but said better.
That quote MM's team used to suggest Dita wasn't abused by Manson sounds more like she was talking about not being abused while she'd been working or in instances during her career, not during relationships.
I'm a huge Manson fan and I hear of these allegations the first time. If they are real... it hurts to say this but he'd have to pay for it and go to prison. A lot of fans (including me) would stand up for the victims and unstan him.
It's so real, there's been rumors and talk for decades but he's fucking hugely famous and rich and can afford to keep it on the low, also fanatics will stand by him because they feel a certain way about the subject. He's a pig.
I will always love and support him. But I'd be sad to find out it's true. I won't abandon him over it though as much as I support Evan.
@@earthwerm y i k e s, hope you never go through abuse and have people turn their back on you. Gross
@@CameliaSong I have been through abuse.
@@CameliaSong I've been through some unspeakable abuse in my life but manson also saved my life when I was young, he was the only one I felt was there for me. So for me to turn my back on him now feels wrong. But keep judging people for not agreeing with you. I don't care.
It’s funny to me how the people with power and money can misuse and abuse but don’t deserve to have there lives ruined? It’s called consequences Ik when you get to a certain status they forget that’s consequences exist but they do and karma is very real. Everything in the dark comes to light so maybe be a better fucking person.
H is the most important thing to do like a little bit ago because it was a good idea of a place for me and just
If Manson really did these things he's gonna lose a lot of fans, including me.
Dont believe without proof.
@@SkyExplosion I know, that's why I said "if".
Evan Rachel Wood is proof
Videos over. Is that enough proof for you?
If you’re willing to drop an artist over false allegations, your support of them means less than nothing to begin with. I’m sure your loss of support will keep the man up at night. Lmao. This interview happened a month ago, it’s old news. It was false allegations on a timeline that didn’t add up then, and it’s the same now.
another amazing and eye opening video, but idk how anyone could be surprised. the amount of effort and work you put into these deep dives shines so brightly and i’m endlessly inspired by it.
basically great job ily bye.
Korn you better not disappoint Edwin.
Someone else caught that nice... 👌
The effff did that ending mean!?!
Notice who he covered up from the poster 🤔
I love Korn
Omg, pls
I guess this video needs a second part as multiple women came out and told their stories of abuse (different types of abuse ) or VERY disturbing behaviour from this individual. And yes Rose stood by Evan Rachel Wood. Thank you for talking about this before he was actually named.
Just got to say, Edwin, your Manson impression was spot on! Absolutely devastated about the topics in this video. You done a great job though!
I love his past work but I think he’s pretty guilty. His team is working on overdrive. And just because he may not have been abusive to one person doesn’t mean he wasn’t abusive to others.
No but he was with Rose and Ditta for 12 years and did not abuse either.
He hardly has a team anymore. He has managed to push his people who have his best interests at heart away.
Evan is amazing. I've always thought she was extremely beautiful and a very talented actress, but she's also really brave. She doesn't have to speak out about these things, she's doing it to try to protect other women. (And other survivors of DV.) I really admire her.
Ekaterina: STOP. THE. CUT. AND. PASTE.
This poster doesn't deserve your tired and lazy defence of this man on their comment.
You are just sad.
I’ve been arguing with ppl about this and they seem more offended hes being accused of being abusive verses the evidence that HE IS abusive.
Its because they dont want to believe...Idolatry is messed up!!
It's very disappointing when there is enough evidence from his own mouth that he is at least emotionally abusive.
There is evidence he is a sadist, and some staged things he did- but evidence as far as abusing his exes? None.
It’s always confusing when you find out that people who have had a positive impact on your life have had such a negative one on others.
Oooo I’ve been wondering ever since Zheani rapped “tell about Manson” from Vanilla Ice 2020 which is about Ninja, so I know it refers to Marilyn.
Yeah, it could also be Charles Manson. What song is it from?
Same!!
Omg wait what song?!
@@neverloseyourvoice vanilla ice 2020, which is about Ninja, so I know it’s about Marilyn Manson
@@wizardoftrees8424 vanilla ice 2020, which is about Ninja
I love Edwin's Marilyn Manson impersonation 🤣
It’s hilariously deadpan and soulless-just like Manson 😂👍🏻😈
It's not hard. Just do Zombie grunts
@@meganlivingston1558 exactly lol it was so spot on 😆
Its spot on lol
Its actually really spot on 🤣
I've never seen a grown man so proud of behaviour that swings from juvenile to psychopathic!!! How did it take so long for the world to penalise him for I?!?! Ive seen him acting totally lewd to women on talk shows, totally repugnant.
I always thought his public persona was for art. To put it mildly, I’m extremely disappointed in him. Abusers are losers.
He was never my jam, but a lot of my friends back in the day really loved him. They talked about how he was actually such a sweet, neat dude, and that all of the rumors weren’t true. I saw him live at Ozzfest in 2001 lol
I also wasn't a big fan, but I liked the thought that this is all his public persona and he is a good person in real life, but apparently he is just an abusive hypocrite.
Celine S42 it’s very disappointing and disheartening to learn that he’s (allegedly) a horrible person
@@ekaterinavladimirovna88 Okay, stop your fan thoughts for a few secounds and listen. When two of his ex girlfriends start talking about being sexually assulted it sounds already suspicious. Then both experiences seem pretty similar which makes the whole situation even more questionable. On top of that one of the exes said that she was assulted at around the same time she was together with him. I'm sure that both of them saw the rumours that it was Marilyn who assulted them. If they both know it wasn't him, why didn't they say that the internet should leave this innocent man alone? If you like it or not, I reached a point where I would be surprised if he wasn't their abuser. This whole story aren't just rumous with no proof, there are serious points that exist. Please try to think about it again.
@Gigi Florence Maybe for some, but I don't think that's necessarily the case.
@Gigi Florence I don’t think you’re dumb for that :-)
asking marilyn if he had asked evan to clear his name is a good question. an innocent party would have no problem reaching out and saying 'people think you're talking about me, can you please tweet a clarification so that people know it is not me you are talking about'. a guilty party would not dare to make such communication.
I dont know why you would compare the god of shock rock to anyone else... he is known to not speak openly about his relationships, like.... EVER. So he wouldn't give an answer...
It is known that if someone is really guilty, they will act like they aren't guilty to an exaggerated extent. He is doing the complete opposite, and him not talking about her is indicating that there is a lot of the story being left out. I would not for one second not believe that she wasn't abusive to him, and he reacted.
Actually he DID say it: "I'm friends with guys in the Hell's Angels and MS-13, and I wouldn't make fun of them to their faces." You can find the quote on @MMansonAbuse on twitter.
Additionally, Evan Rachel Wood talked about how her abuser was so determined to turn her into someone else...she was forced to model herself after this other person and everyone noticed the change. Anybody remember how ALL the tabloids called Evan Rachel Wood out for trying to become Dita Von Teese (Manson's Ex-wife) ?
Yep, makes sense now. I thought it was her trying to be like her for him (I mean of her own desires) but now I believe he manipulated or made her do that. Sick
Dita von teese needs to come out and say what he did. “Breaking all the windows in the house” is admitting she was abused.
@@Chamomile369 i think he didn't go as far in his abuse of her as he did with evan. she seems more head strong and steady.
@@im_so_bored3896 i dont think so, she said when she left him she had to leave on Christmas eve and moved out that night. Very abruptly. I think she just hides her pain better, and probably wasn’t abused as bad but it still sound like it was bad.
@@Chamomile369 hmmmmm that's also possible
Well now his secret is out because she named him officially.
She did?
@@jennyishere7176 she did
And? Isn't she best friends with amber heard and accused Kobe of being a rapist on the day he passed away? This chick career is dead and she accuses people for a living.
How on earth can you groom an 19 year adult? You can only groom children and minors. She said "he brainwashed me into liking him" if she considers that as abuse, then its disturbing how shes making a mockery out of actual abuse and making it meaningless.
@@eliza1826 You are really nitpicking at one person amongst many others who have eluded to the fact that they have been abused by him? He literally has created a persona based on an image of edginess, coldness, unaffectedness, and violence. What a sad argument on your part.... grooming may under a “technicality” be defined as an act deliberated onto a child but the method of building trust in an effort to take advantage of them and exploit them is not exclusive to those under 18. Your lack of sensitivity is alarming.
@@eliza1826 sorry but I believe her Manson actions and how he talks about her makes him look guilty asf
Shook. I'm absolutely shook. I grew up adoring Marilyn Manson for his personality, way of thinking and artistry... Until this video... Crazy how blinded you get when all the evidence is right there under your nose.
Is it really that shocking though? Manson's just a musician not a god. He had a messed-up childhood and has done numerous things that should have put him in prison.
“ All the evidence” where homegirl 😭😭
@@truthseeker7754 yes it is shocking cause a messed up childhood doesn't automatically lead to these things. Especially when you idolize a person the way I and so many others do/did
@@ahno7573 read his autobiography. The evidence is certainly there.
@@truthseeker7754 lmao not at all. It's kind of sad when people automatically assume that their idol(s) are decent human beings when they're not entertaining the masses. Most of them are f**ked up and twisted- that's what makes them artists and people drawn to them.
He was sexually abused for a long time by his neighbor as a kid. He became the abuser
He also walked in on his grandfather in his basement watching... 'taboo' 35mm pornos... so he had a really rough influence from within his own home despite the sexual abuse from the older boy in the neighborhood.
The entire music industry + its venues and musicians are being called out heavily in LA+OC for its problematic R culture (I myself being a survivor of it). Lots of people trying to retaliate against victims and it’s sad to see almost no men standing in solidarity with victims/survivors so thank you for making this and using your platform for this!
Thank you
I was a HUGE fan of MM in highschool. I know his music and his "lore" and I can totally see this being how he is. I know that ERW just named him in the media and I have extreame respect that she got out of it and heald. Now that I am an adult everything he said in the interviews made me angry. Good video.
I wouldn't assume she's healed.
It’s totally understandable and I find it unfortunate as well, since he purposefully made everything as edgy as possible only for the sake of proving a point, and the point was, people should freely express their thoughts and feelings regardless, which is why he purposefully angered and provoked religious groups around the country. He contradicts that by saying he doesn’t want any information said about him, and no I am not by any means legitimizing any of his behaviors or philosophies here, but if we break this down from a psychological perspective, and again this might be hard to do but empathizing with those we see as lowly, is the only way we could prevent this from ever happening again.
Just like making young people feel listen to before they commit crimes in order to prevent them from doing so, as psychoanalyzing him might not be a bad idea
According to one biography I heard of him in the form of a video, he always has had insecurity issues and felt lesser than everyone else, and very easily felt judged and would internally shatter upon being judged negatively. A small part of me resonates with us greatly, but I’ve purposefully taken on a different attitude about it all, and it’s unfortunate that he stayed on the path he was on. I very much respect emo culture and what it does for young people, I myself have been emo for a while, but some thing I’ve noticed, and some thing I’ve tried to do, is pull myself away from it, and get to the next step of healing. Truly I’m not EMO much anymore, but I am deeply supportive of the movement, but every time I’ve noticed there was a person who stayed a strong piece of emo culture the same way they were in their teens and young adulthood, they seem to just dwell in the same space, instead of it being used as a healing steppingstone. It’s only good when it’s a steppingstone rather than a permanent place of being. There are three major steps in an emotional trauma healing, and the first one is acknowledging your emotions and feelings and darkness within, your trauma, and how it affects you. The second step is embracing it, and being emo is embracing both of these steps. Nonetheless, they are just stepping stones, a means to an end, and so it’s not really healthy to stay this way until further adulthood. It’s one thing to keep a teeny short with oneself, but I noticed another celebrity fell victim to staying in the dark space of emo culture. It’s basically like only staying in one part of the major treatment plan for a severe illness. It’s only good for you and helpful when it’s needed, but once it’s fulfilled what it’s needed to fulfill, or it’s not done anything yet, it might be time to seek other options. The next thing that needs to be done, is not just embracing the emotions, but addressing them properly and letting them go, which is the third step in healing. Yes, this often times make people not look as emo, but they tend to be very supportive of whatever it takes for someone to be comfortable with themselves and release their pain. This can be found in a lot of people who were previously part of emo culture, but as adults, just mine really dabble in it and support the movement greatly. They keep a lot of their philosophies from before, but being emo was simply a steppingstone for further healing. I know at least for me, and many other people who have indulged in being emo, prior to doing so, felt immense pressure to never ever feel their feelings nor expressed them or even believe they are real, because they are deemed as bad, or even spawns of Satan that needs to be drowned out . While I did not have a Christian upbringing, I did feel like the only acceptable emotion was happiness and contentedness, even though I never felt content and happy was only a fleeting emotion for me, as well as many other people that embraced emo culture.
I believe strongly that Marilyn Manson felt this way as well, but he never learned to reach farther than Doving into email culture. This is very unfortunate and sad, and when you lose all sense of reserves for self love and comfort, being IMO goes into a vicious cycle rather than healing you, and then can lead to further damaging behavior. Perhaps somethings that would show that he was going to progress, was if earlier in his career, he decided to seek out mental health help, and get a good therapist, but also again, I could kind of empathize why someone wouldn’t necessarily get a therapist, because there’s an unfortunate amount of therapists that don’t do their job properly. Regardless, that does not excuse any behavior or lack of self-help of someone who stays IMO for longer than 15 years. This is also what happened to Bennington, the lead singer of Lincoln Park, where he stayed emo for too long, he stayed in a cynical place for too long, and committed suicide. In the short term, IMO might prevent suicide, but in the long term, either one dies a hero or live long enough to become the villain, like Marilyn Manson. It seems as if he became everything he himself hated when he was young, and while his parents seemed supportive on the outside, there may have been so much more that we don’t know, and at least I personally know that, how fundamentalist of any religion but especially Christianity is, it can really screw up one’s head, especially if there was strict parenting surrounding. It’s kind of odd to me that he tried to get negative attention, it seemed as if he didn’t conscientiously realize how much it hurt him. Why is knowing this all important for preventing anything like this ever happening again? Well, if we can address all this for anyone else who has email, whether it be ourselves or anyone else, it’s important to insist lovingly for self-help, or do whatever one individual can do, for example, helping that person or yourself works through insecurities, and I’ve heard it be mentioned many times how much he had a ton of self heat and I could really resonate with feeling deeply backstabbed when even there’s a little bit of hate for oneself. This is usually rooted upon childhood experiences where your fundamental value was seen as lower for something that didn’t matter enough for that to be appropriate, which normally it shouldn’t anyways, it’s not a good way of disciplining, and this is the reason why. The thing is, while I’ve still so many flaws and so so much to work through myself, and I would like to see this in him as well, which it seems it’s too late, is to work through that, and try to become less sensitive, via embracing that emotion and that sensitivity. It seems like he embraced the general aspect that he did not feel happy, but every little sensitivity that is noticed, well, first step, should be noticed and acknowledged, second step, should be embraced, basically, reassuring the emotion that it’s OK that it exists and it’s not shameful, and basically try to live with the emotion, which in fact prevents incidences of being overly reactionary, because first off, you are conscientious that it exists, and secondly, you no longer are angry at yourself and or are working on not being angry at yourself and hating yourself for having this emotion and telling the emotion that it has a right to exist, which actually prevents it from boiling up too much. This can take a process of months, years, etc., but it still is a continuum, until the third step and most important one, letting it go . I’ve seen many other people do this, and it would be great to see more of this. I feel this should be a fundamental thing that is taught in therapy, I don’t think it’s discussed enough. I think this would help a lot of people, if we did not judge our flaws, because that’s usually what keeps them there, is that we don’t forgive ourselves and allow the emotions to exist. Once all of that processing is finished, again can take years even decades at times, usually no more than 15 years though maximum, then I could finally be let go, because what actually ties it in, is that believing it’s an integral part of us, and something we hate about ourselves.
Sorry about how long this was, I just felt this was an important thing to discuss as well, because if we don’t address the reasons why Marilyn Manson and many others are like this in the alternative communities, then we might just see a vicious cycle of people pushing boundaries in a permissible manner that is not permissible by the rest of society, to make a point about how uncompassionate society is, only to become what they hate. This is fundamental one the right things aren’t focused on within, and by society itself. The more people that focus on these aspects themselves and for others, the less likely we’re going to see celebrities that at some point help someone’s emotions be worked out to then becoming the thing that they complain about in their very own songs. I just hope for a better world to live in, and I hope to do that by expressing how we can denounce someone’s horrible behavior at the same time realizing what kind of inconceivable or at least inconceivable pain for a lot of people, it took for someone to behave in a villainous manner. The more we hate on people who do bad things, the more people who do bad things will exist, it’s an unfortunate truth but it’s actually been found that in societies where people don’t feel judged for their actions, there’s much lower cases of crime and re-offense
@@qantaloupemelon2791 wtf
lets not forget that manson also called the cops because fans threatened him and he was scared. typical tough guy to people he thinks are weaker than him
Yeah, that never happened. But he does have round the clock security due to coke induced paranoia.
@@deadartist8827 lol
Not really suprised if this is all true and the fact that probably many people will not be suprised says a lot about him , and the impression people getting of him through the years . I have been a fan of some of his songs , but he has always given me a bad vibe .
I specifically remember reading an article with Dita Von Teese about Manson's sexual demands of her, and thought he sounded abusive then. I'm really not that surprised sadly
She said he did not abuse her so I don't know how you could of read that - oh right we are trying him on you-tube like we do now. Good thing he lost his job and all of his music contracts BEFORE a fair trial!
@@tammykoble236 sorry Tammy, Dita spoke up about him biting her, and she couldn't take that any longer. There were other issues she spoke about.
@@tammykoble236 she said manson would come home intoxicated screaming and destroying their home
@@carmenowens3375 you're thinking of jenna jameson
@@A.i.Riverz no, I'm not. I read the interview the same day Evan named him. It was Dita. She couldn't stand the biting any longer as well as him fucking other ladies. I know the difference between the two ladies. Dita mentioned she didn't have issues in her business life, but her personal life WAS abusive, and she couldn't stand the biting any longer and sent his sorry ass to the couch.
I feel like a lot of celebrities have a dark secret that we just don't know. This is why I'm not a big fan of celebrities.
Same. The industry itself is full of darkness.
@@dootdoot94xo44 100%!! They throw it right in our faces too with all of the symbolism but people either don’t know about it or chose to ignore it. It’s certainly not a coincidence that so many of them take photos with one covered, flash the “ok” (666) symbol or have straight up satanic stuff in their image. They tell us who they are. You’re not crazy at all, it’s definitely real. Several musicians have even said on video that they sold their soul to the devil for fame. We are headed down a very dark and scary road.
can yall go back to your conspiracy videos this is about an actual abuse case
@@eyeballjay I’m sorry that Manson has been flat out showing everyone that he’s a literal satanist and you don’t want to see it 🤷🏻♀️
@@ItsMeValerieB sorry yall hate critical thinking but that sounds like a You problem and a video about a serious abuse case is not the time or place for it. get well soon x
I've heard rumors about this very issue before. I would love a series on the topic.
I used to love MM as a young teen. I can't stand him now. He's gross and evil.
same
God, this video was so hard to watch as a MM fan, but it would be foolish to deny all those allegations and say they're just rumors when there's so much evidence against him.
true omg 😰😞😔😔 I just started getting into his music and seeing this oml help me
So we need an update, you know that he was found not guilty by lack of evidence and several other cases that were completely made up
Mad props to you for doing more investigative work then the court system. Shiiieeet.
What you said about MM being “shocking” and not really knowing when he is saying the truth is definitely my experience of being a fan of his. I also never really paid attention to his relationship with ERW, not me being influenced by MM in regards to this, I cared more about Dita von Teese and Rose McGowan because they were more famous at that time than ERW. Teenage me just thought “ oh he happened to date that girl from his Heart Shaped Glasses music video... what was her name again? Evan Rachel Wood, cool”. Even as she advanced in her career it was “oh yeah she dated MM, she’s the lead in a show now good for her”. It’s interesting now revisiting things I previously ignored because “it was just Marilyn being Marilyn”..... and no, I did not buy the new album in any format, do not support him (or any artist) on Spotify, and any cd and mercy I had (except for a jumper because it was a Christmas gift) I have given to charity.
Edit: i also had no idea about Esme either.
Edit 2: got to the part about Dita’s allegations, also had no idea about these. MM’s team have done a wonderful job at hiding certain things about his life.
I always thought it was just an act for show and that he was a good guy. Before this all came out.
If not knowing as a fan if he's being truthful or not, isn't he kind of constantly gaslighting his fans?
Im the same as you. Not got to Dita's allegations in the video yet - those supporting MM are saying she always spoke fondly of him (which Is not a defence for an abuser), intrigued for that part of the video x
@@Coppergasm reading this comment just now.... I guess you’re right. I think he’s also doing it (based on this video and everything else I’ve seen recently) to cover up his bad actions more easily.
@@MelAmethyst I actually do remember Dita saying something about the split like I think 13 or so years ago that he was a really bad alcoholic and got violent etc.. but everything else is just.... wow.... it makes me upset because all of his earlier albums are a HUGE part of my life up until Ear Me, Drink Me.
Weird because when I spent time with him backstage several times he was always fun, even when he was extremely fucked up. However being in an abusive relationship myself I know how charming and innocent people can be to people other than their lover.
100%. My biological father was fun n charmin to everyone but my mom
Not even my grandma believed her. :/
The thing is that every human being treats people differently depending on situation. I can be a kind and charming person to some but there are few who really get the worst out of me. Do people think celebrities are an exclusion to that reality?
@Average Commenter I don't do idols & simply don't mind being a simple fan rather than very dedicated. 😜
All abusers are charming at times, or if they are in public, even serial killers. Look at Bill Cosby, everyone loved him for decades.
I never bought Mansons nice guy routine in interviews. I always though he was fake, and probably a real asshole if you got on the wrong side of him.
@@tubester4567 The abusers are usually abused. It's like a plague. I believe he was abused, several reasons why I say that.
It seems to me, broken down simply, is that he's an insecure control freak whos had his delusions fed by those around him.
Smart analysis 👏
Yes she is so innocent she dont like him but got into dating him gets engaged to him becomes his fiance the shopping sprees the traveling lavish lifestyle removed furthest away from poverty that is. So horrible ? If these women dont like him they take everything from him share their lives with him for the sole purpose of using him ? And you want me to pity them sorry but no aint. happening their popularity goes and they cash grab to try to keep the wealthy lifestyle flowing Leave Manson be whos the real villan? what kind of people use people ask yourself that
Precisely.
I don't even know why people try to interview Manson. He's always talked in circles, gone on tangents, and just seems out of it. Now I don't know if that's an act or if the dude is just heavily under the influence all the time. It's hard to tell with him sometimes, but regardless, most interviews go nowhere with him anyways. You'd get reactions like this with any question really. That's not me saying this is untrue btw. Not at all. I'm just saying it's really hard to get straight answers from him, that you know beyond a shadow of doubt are the truth, for the smallest of things, it's going to be even more difficult, if not impossible, to get forthcoming answers when it comes to these situations.... hopefully I'm making sense lol.
That's what narcopaths do. My little sister acts like that when you question her too. I'll tell you right now, at least for me, it confirms all the circumstantial stuff. My sister tried to kill my mom last year during my mom's end stage cancer. When I asked why she tried to convince my mom to take watch batteries as "Tylenol", she made up the weirdest answers about "right to die" and "showing mercy". My mom had zero pain (cancer was in the pain centre of her brain and had turned it all off, even the docs were shocked she got that lucky) and was slated for admission to hospice the next week. My sister wanted an excuse to bail on the compassionate release and house arrest she was under, knowing she could break parole, go party hard on drugs and get off easy because "her mom died". Even today she tries to deny or excuse the action, just like every other evil act she ever committed.
His interviews were way better in the 90s. Since his vocal cord accident in 2007, his career went downhill and so did his health and personality.
I can't believe he posted a video of him hitting her in the face, moaning, bleeding and naked as an introduction to his website. The footage seems very upsetting and malicious and is downright dumb. That's blatant evidence of his abuse to her. I hope he gets to see jail time because of this.
Sadly he won’t. She worked to change the statute of limitations and they did, but only by a few years. We are a long ways off from getting survivors real justice.
That's not her it's an actress
just want to say that Evan Rachel Wood is a goddamn survivor and i love her
Tho, honestly I feel bad for her from all I've heard from her in interviews via this issue, IDK why, but I get vile vibes from her & have 4a while. But IDK why... 😑😐
@Eddie T. watch her on court tho, that convo "why she didn't alleged his behavior before" it's dumb, he knows how to slowly manipulate and threat a victim and by the way she was 18 and use to be a fan, so he just take advantage of the situation.
@Michelle M 😳😳😳
@@shaymary5247 thats exactly how what i get from her too
@@dynamo4543 😳😳😳😳😳
He’s so incredibly full of himself. I never realized how inflated his self importance is 🙄 he thinks he can do no wrong and it’s all part of his art 🙄🙄🙄
Funny how people have these epiphanies when a guy is down and they can kick him and get applause and affirmation from the rest of the cybermob.
He's a front man of a rock band of course he's full of himself lol
@@gutterdandy9173 true. I also think people come to feel more comfortable sharing disapproval when negative stories come out because they feel vindicated in some way.
If he's done these things to ERW then I don't feel sorry for him at all. Also, considering how young she was when he dated her, could have really messed her up psychologically.
Abuse is not art and art is not abuse.
@@starquant I was aping your nonsensical comment, numpty.
I used to LOVE marilyn until I grew up and realized he's been an abuser for a long time
Omg I'm fucking dead choked
It’s also interesting to note that Manson’s exes seemed to have progressively worse things to say about him. Rose and him dated in the 90’s, she didn’t have much bad to say about him. Dita was next starting 2001, who claimed there were problems and hints at abuse, but it gets so much worse with his next long term relationships. To use Rose and Dita as defense for Manson is nonsensical considering his relationships with them were before Evan, and it seemed he gradually got worse after each break up. You know?
I wonder where Missi Romero is rn. She was his girlfriend in the early 90s. She actually got pregnant by him and had an abortion right before they broke up.
She was in a doc about him shortly after and if I remember correctly she wasn't exactly favorable in speaking about him.
The alcohol abuse, drug abuse definitely got worse, too. There’s a documentary I saw with his latest girl in it and they’re both fucking messes. MM is fat, drunk, and it’s like 6AM. He needs all the rehab. He isn’t an Ozzy. He will die.
I think his mental health deteriorated over the years, probably worsened or even caused by all the excessive drugs and alcohol. I think he’s always been genuinely messed up in the head but his persona has always allowed him to lean into it instead of seeing it as a bad thing.
well, rose and dita are still friends with him... so it just doesn't make complete sense. I do believe MM is very toxic and probably been abusive, he hasn't really hid this. people are saying he abused them as well but to me making friends with your abuser after getting away doesn't make sense. he probably was toxic in those relationships as well, however, I mean he is a drug and sex addict with mental problems, it's a recipe for that, but it doesn't make sense to me that he is actually a wife-beater and all that. I'm also not going to just take greens' words about everything she claims. they were both doing drugs when they were together, and she knew what kinda person he was before she got involved... he doesn't hide the fact that he is crazy... so I just feel like her accusations are a bit unfair. she says she can't say his name because she is afraid he'll kill her but she's given the whole timeline and basically confirmed it's him so she might as well say his name. not saying it just make so he can't really get an opportunity to say his side. also if she was afraid of her life as he has said he'll kill her if she tells people then she would probably tell her story in a little less revealing way... green said several times she cherished the time with MM and she also apparently knew how MM was like and wanted to be apart of the rock and roll shit... also, it is a little strange that everything she says matches with things he has said in media, like how she included a lot of the things he has said and could be used against him in that one testimony. he really does say a lot of bullshit so he is an easy target, you could easily make crazy accusations about him and have lots of evidence against him because of everything he says. so, if he was an abuser, considering he is a very intelligent guy, I don't think he would dear to say stuff that he does if he really does that stuff. because he knows how easily people could use it against him... I'd don't know man, this situation is hard, I'm just afraid of another JD situation, we need to value innocent until proven guilty. also, esmes timeline doesn't really add up. they only dated for a year, and her timeline goes on for longer, she was in her late 30s when she with him, he was on tour during this year and their relationship wasn't actually serious as far as we know... their testimonies are very emotional though and I don't feel as they're lying but I still don't feel like I can go along with blaming MM for this. actual evidence needs to be brought forward.
@@Catalina-Winemixer he seems much better now so props to him for that. looks like he sobered up. he got married early this year as well, they look happy together. hope it is as healthy as it looks and no abuse is taking place.
another thing that edwin forgot to mention is manson’s music vid: “running to the edge of the world,” where a young woman who looks very similar to evan is tied up to a chair and being beaten and then locked in a room. the track has a lyric line: “together as one and against all others.” which references the heart shaped glasses vid that evan stars in. so basically that track is 100% about evan. but notice just how awful he portrays her. clearly he was possessive of her and his “love” for her was incredibly toxic & abusive.
lol just found out that the official vid of running to the edge of the world was removed from manson’s official yt. makes sense if he is trying to save face right now. but for those that are interested, you can find it re-uploaded by other users.
Speaking of The Heart Shape Glasses video, where she's pretty much having sex on camera 🙄 Is she a victim or not!? She has said it was not MM that she was talking about. Why would he want to talk about rumors and gossip in a magazine that's supposed to be about music. .Save that shit for The Enquireror!
@@raggityanne9916 She was literally 18?
@@raggityanne9916 where did she said that?
@@raggityanne9916 she never said that lol. she never mentioned it was Manson but she also didn’t say that it wasn’t. But the timelines match perfectly. And also she didn’t out him bc of blackmail & threatened her life so it’s super understandable that she didn’t. The heart shaped glasses video she was acting. It’s not unusual for an actress to be in a sex scene, it’s literally part of the job. Using that as some valid reason of her not being a victim makes zero sense though
Don't see anyone apologising. It's easy for sheeple to conflate someone's stage persona with who he really is. That's how you cancel people.
Just looks at Amber Turd.
It is sus that he never denied it. Great video.
I'm surprised so many people have not heard these rumors/accusations about MM. He has a very good PR team to keep this stuff swept under the rug or dismissed as fake. Also, his poor fans probably don't want to believe it
ALso, thank you for the video Edwin, thank you for organizing all this info for yet another difficult subject
I've never heard about rumors but connected the dots myself when I heard Evan's testimony. There's no doubt in my mind that she was talking about Marilyn.
Honestly I don't doubt when he says that he could get his fans to kill people for him.
He's been known for abusing sex workers for DECADES. Literally since the height of his career in the 90s, he's an absolute sociopath.
@@evangeline77x wow... he really is a pos.
Many people simply don't care about celebrities and only watch, read or listen to their content. I couldn't tell you shit about my favourite musicians and actors because I neither read any gossip sites or follow them online, so I imagine many people handle it that way.
Separating art from artist is a lot healthier IMO.
I’ve been sending this story to youtubers for MONTHS because as a fan, I’m very very ashamed on how I defended that man for 10+ years. Especially when he bragged about abusing fans, partners, and colleagues for years. I’m so upset that ERW provided the courts with evidence and they had throw the case out because of the statute of limitations as well.
A lot of fans actually noticed his violent behaviour, we just ignored it cause of his music :(
I had my suspicion years ago, but most of the fans simply didn't want to ruin their image of him
You should try Justin Bieber or something that will be more tolerant of your little feelings honey.
@@ekaterinavladimirovna88 i would like to believe that, but I ignored a lot of fucked up shit he did for years, now I just can't when there's so much evidence. I still love his music, but I can't support him as a person anymore
I love the way you read Manson's comments in his voice 😂😂😂 sorry, this is serious and all but it was hilarious
Love 555r I love the pictures 📷😍💕
Wow I had no idea how these woman stories were related and that is insane. When the MeToo movement was happening it seemed like all the focus was on Harvey Weinstein, but of course there must be so many others...
Of course! They always just pick one or two fall guys. Probably the fall pissed someone further on top.
@@ekaterinavladimirovna88 lol yut...
@@ekaterinavladimirovna88 been a fan of Edwin's research and work for a few years now, you'll have to try harder than that 😆
Manson has told us over the years who he is, what he does, what his views are and we put this down to shock value or hyperbole. Typical of hiding in plain sight.
Exactly. I never understood why people liked him. He has always been fake, an actor playing a rock star. He was even a hero of the left.
Manson seemed exactly how I pictured him: controlling, over-compensating, and f-cking annoying. Hearing a privileged wealthy corporate celeb bragging about knowing people in gangs ("in low places") was tasteless. So was the line 'I don't whine about what happened to me in my early life- well except for in my book, go buy it'. The MeToo comments just sounded like his PR team had NO idea who to market their music to anymore... and was a "show your hand" moment for me. Even if he didn't abuse these women (and I believe most signs point to the opposite), he's leaving the door open- using them as shields AND trying to appeal to the small crowd that would be unfazed by that. (Shades of taking a political endorsement from a publicly scummy organization.) He doesn't mind the rumors- if he minded them he would've cleared them up- unless of course they are more than rumors. His ex's want to extend the SOL on this crime- he engages in "crimes" on his birthday and says "I won't talk about it until the SOL expires"- he must be aware of playing into these rumors-right? Tasteless person with a huge ego and overblown sense of self-importance.
Maybe he hasn’t realized that the world has changed the group of us that grew up listening to his music have grown up! and see the truth of abuse manipulation and don’t like it. It may have been cool when we’re kids maybe didn’t think much beyond that. But not anymore time for him to grow up now too. And realize his time in the spotlight is over.
Ok, so this is a separate thing, but I've only just come to realise that Lindsay follows an insane amount of fan pages for Manson on Instagram.
Like, maybe I'm thinking too much of it... but I mean... she's married to the man. Does she really need to follow over 60 pages about him?
Am I thinking too much of that, or is that unnecessarily obsessive for someone who's married to him?
You know... you're on to something.... Hmm
It feels weird to me. If I were married to a famous person, I'd follow them online, maybe a couple of decent fan pages that do cool art or photo edits or something, but 60 pages is a lot. Definitely feels like she's trying to keep tabs on the fan pages.
NOOO you ain't thinking too much
Makes me sick to my stomach...I can only imagine what these women went through. He said himself he wants to smash her skull with a sledgehammer. He’s vile.
@@ekaterinavladimirovna88 - The word for today is ‘denial’.