Reviewing Dorian Yates BACK Workout. Was it optimal? With Hypertrophy Coach Joe Bennett
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I had the opportunity to train back with Dorian back at Temple.
I paid for a session and asked to train back, he goes "it's my back day, mind if I jump in?"
Amazing experience.
In Blood & Guts I know he uses the single arm hammer row which is very lat, but we followed up bent rows with wide overhand cable row for the upper back.
I believe he actually used that a lot.
6 movements, 1 top set, 45 minutes. Vomit.
Back was trashed for 7 days.
Did his back day on Tuesday not with him obviously and I'm trashed can't imagine the feeling doing it with him
@@Ryan-ys2bq it really was different. Especially because we were going set for set too. It was 2011 so his goals were obviously very different but he trained his arse off still. At one point I said "come on Dorian" during his set...I don't know what I was thinking lol.
One of the best things I've seen on YT in a long time. Love the positive vibes. Would love to see Ronnie and Jordan Peters workout reviews 🙏🏻
Peters is a beast
Thanks man for the part 2
I really appreciate your discussion of how a person's muscle size affects how much elbow/upper arm flare they can use when rowing for lats. In tons of videos, I have noticed big guys flaring their upper arms/elbows when rowing for lats. Now I understand why. they must do that. That said, I seem to feel my lats better with my elbows slightly flared in the contracted position of a row (or pull down). When I keep my upper arms tight to my body on rows, I don't feel the lats as much. In fact, when I focus on starting with flared lats and tyring to keep that flare throughout the movement, I feel my lats much better. It probably all comes down to muscle size and attachments.
It would be amazing if u talk about internal torque and how internal moment arm,length tension relationship and cross-sectional area of a muscle affects it
That hammer rear delt machine was absolutely brutal. I wish more gyms had/have that one
If you read his training journal that he published most of his early back workouts were close grip pulldowns ,reverse barbell rows and low cable rows. It’s crazy he made it years into being a pro with very little exercises training 3x a week and at the time only 2 working sets an exercise.
Hyperresponder genetics, my friend. Probably wouldn't have mattered much how he trained given the genetic gifts and response to drugs.
One thing people don't talk about a lot is his insertions for back were also great. He may have had average chest insertions and below average arms (within the bodybuilding realm), but his lats and traps had ridiculous insertions.
Dorian Yates was just awesome. hardcore and brutal, the first mass monster to enter that stage with fantastic conditioning. he studied nutrition, never used a coach and simply did it all himself. coming from England myself i have to say i'm proud of Dorian, to go to America and compete and win 6 Mr Olympia titles was a huge achievement especially when he was told he would find it hard to go to America and compete against American bodybuilders and beat them, well Dorian proved that person wrong massively. Dorian's blood and guts workout is the best i've seen and i have many bodybuilding video's, Lee Haney, Bertil Fox, Kevin Levrone, Andreas Munzer etc. living like a monk, just training, eating, sleeping and never going out to socialize is simply hardcore in it's self. thank you Joe for your great video's, i thought i recognised you and your name as i've watched many Dallas McCarver (Big Country) videos and still do in 2024. Dallas was such a wonderful guy and huge at such a young age, i believe if he sadly didn't die he would be crowned Mr Olympia by now. he was a monster and can not imagine how bigger he would of been today, he still had plenty of room to fill out and had time on his side to make improvements. his workouts were huge with crazy huge weights, a real hard worker. miss you Dallas.
I loved these two videos. Gave great context with some quality nuggets. And super entertaining to analyze the legend through the modern day eye.
Also why Yates row worked for him is because he had low lat origins and since lats are originating from such a low point on vertebrae therefore he didn’t need to bend over a lot more.
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For people who have higher lat origin bending over near to parallel helps with hitting lats on bent over rows.
I have high lats and found pendlay rows to be better than barbell rows.
Thanks for showing respect to Dorian, if you do more of his workouts, that would be awesome !
Outstanding 🎉❤
Great review on a super interesting subject , i always enjoy to hear your perspective on training
In terms of the row for lats with that more upright body position I feel it in my lats also (and doms for days after) it's more on that bottom stretch of the movement to the point if I wanted I could use a partial range of motion of only a few inches and feel an incredible burn on my lats.
Think of it as performing a lat spread with really good mind to muscle connection and lats flared, THEN picking up that weight and rowing, (in simple turns) it kinda locks the lats in place to the point it feels you're using only your lats to lift the weight
This content is great. Thanks Joe!
This series was a great idea. I hope you do more from blood and Guts.
Thank you so much for the video! I think a great idea for a video series would be chronicling how a pro bodybuilder's training changed over time. Maybe a series on how someone like Dexter Jackson's training evolved and adapted as he got older.
Would you also make a video on the minimalist workout he did and preached.
great video as always
terrific breakdown 👍
I love it, do all 4 of Dorian’s workouts.
FOR THE MASS!!!
Coach!
You finally got a tan!
Lots of time at my boys baseball games/practice 😅
To be fair, however, in the last video on the HS pull-down machine, which gets easier during the contraction, the spotter also helped towards the end. The same is also the case with this machine: it also becomes lighter in the contraction and yet he needs help there.
The HS’s resistance profile is exactly the opposite-it is the hardest/heaviest in the short/contraction, exactly opposite of what we want in most cases.
@medaillemaverick Not true. We have the HS pulldown also in our gym. The weight is horizontal with the axis of rotation exactly in the middle of the execution (heaviest part) and then it goes higher: becoming easier. In the video of Blood and Guts you can see that the weight in the contraction is above the axle and has therefore become lighter.
@@dertrendtrader Jordan Peters and others have directly refuted this (why many no longer recommend HS equipment) but if it feels that way for you then maybe you’re getting the most out of it. Maybe the strength curve can be manipulated by body positioning 🤷🏻♂️
@@medaillemaverick Bro, that's simple physics. When a weight is horizontal on the axis of rotation, it is the heaviest and the higher it goes, the lighter it becomes. That has nothing to do with HS. You should listen less to Peterson, who has no idea about bodybuilding (as he proved several times in interview with CBum) and look at the basics of physics.
The sad lats 😂😂 Some people may get the feels out of that one!!
A review of Phil Heaths workout would be great!
5:55 the dream
Right after I finished the first one
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Dorian would probably have been really muscular and successful if he trained optimally.
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Poor guy just could get big. Never in shape either.
He can do push ups and still get big
@TrucNguyen-yz6ml I know. I was joking.
Guys like Dorian I generally find to be the worst at giving advice because of the fact that their bodies respond to pretty much anything. Yates has said so about his calves noting that they were huge before he ever directly did anything for them.
Are flared rows just less lats or somehow actually even more upper back?
Not "for the mass". He's saying "una mas"....ie...one more...
Joe wins
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You flared your elbow too much demonstrating the BB row. He kept his tight against his lat, which is why he considered it more of a lat movement
But with the way he stood more straight up, it would be considered more for upper back tho
Great video tho
Dorian Yates said yates rows were for lower lats 🤔🤔🤔
If his hands were reversed yes
He had torn his bicep already when he shot this video so he went over hand
Dorian must be about 70 now surely?
Late 60’s I think
62
Wouldnt it be practical to do deadlift last in the sense you wont need as much weight making it safer. Dorian had hip problems from squatting earlier in his career. Might be why he did deadlift last, use less weight than he would need earlier
Yup! I discuss that in the video
@@HypertrophyCoach yeah iknow.. totally paused the video to comment like an idiot instead of watching the video through before commenting😂 love the video🔥
Review his volume now
Who? Who said unilateral exercises isn’t hardcore??? Bunch of nobodies that who lol
12:08 how are you reviewing this and not know the working sets, it's not likes it's the most talked about aspect of his training