A fantastic discussion! Dr. McGrath does a brilliant job of critiquing modern society by rethinking the movement of the early Christians. Truly inspiring
Thanks for these discussions, I’ve listened to many now. This may be one of Sean’s most sober ones IMO. He mentioned the emergent church-do you know of Peter Rollins and his efforts to foster such contemplativeness thru more secular forms of communion (pyrotheology/ pints and parables/ wake conference)? Rollins too sees the a/theistic core of the Christian message and employs Hegel/Lacan/Zizek alongside biblical interpretation to intervene in culture to help us find dialogue with the other, to reintroduce us to the fruit of negation, to that depth dimension of life which seems to have faded away in this superficial age of new positivism.
I have appreciated your comments on these discussions. Thank you for bringing in some of the view from Hegel/Lacan/Zizek. It's important perspective, at least for this reader. More of Sean's philosophical roots and grappling will become clearer, I suspect, if the podcast series continues. He's great at offering a vital philosophical/theological alternative to Hegel; this is true even if we're not finished with Hegel. Bless.
In acknowledging Mother Nature it is good not to discount Father God. In the past one point of view replaced the other giving a one-dimensional aspect to life. It should be both, they do not cancel each other out. There is the creator and that which is created and they both are equally valid. The trinity: the creator and the created and the child that is their progeny which propels life forwards, if linear to an ultimate end, if circular to where it began, with the difference that the progeny is now also conscious.
A hot earth is not necessarily given-carbon sequestration technologies have a chance of being able to mitigate/reverse some of that. Not that we should gamble on that and do nothing about our current unsustainable patterns of course, but the future is not closed here..
The Holy Supper of the early Christians was a full meal that included fish. "Their uniting bonds are a holy shepherd and holy virgin, common texts and table, bread, wine and fish" (The Cambridge History of Christianity, v.1, p.296). Also pagan ritual centered around the godly meal. They ate the sacrificial animal in togetherness. There is no evidence of a climate crisis. Since the "little ice age" ended in the mid-nineteenth century, temperature has slowly increased, and it continues to do so at the same pace. Considering that it hasn't accelerated, there is no panic. The CO2 emissions only do good for the vegetation. However, the sun slowly grows hotter and hotter, and in a couple of hundred million years the sun will be so hot that the earth becomes uninhabitable. In a billion years, the earth will be more like Venus, and then it cannot sustain any life at all. Because of original sin, humanity can never establish an ecological civilization. As long as one can become rich by destroying the earth, people will do this. I think McGrath is too optimistic.
False. As NASA and IPCC reports state: Yes there have been historical warming and cooling cycles for millennia BUT it is the _rate_ at which warming has occurred since the industrial revolution which is alarming, which has birthed the word “Anthropocene”. According to NASA current warming is occurring at 10x the rate of historical paleoclimate cycles as evidenced in ice cores, tree tings, coral reefs, ocean sediments and sedimentary rock layers. Before 1950, CO2 concentrations never reached above 300ppm-today we are at around 420ppm. All that extra energy we dug up and put back into the atmosphere has amplified the rate of warming and is beginning to create feedback loops-excessive heat melting icecaps and permafrost, etc., disrupting the circulation of our oceans and atmospheric currents. As Christians we ought to tarry with the negative, not seek refuge beneath comforting disinformations. It’s terrifying to really take account of such disasters because it means change is coming like a train. If it will be for the better or worse is up to each of us and our ability to disembed ourselves from cozy fictions of the status quo and participate with others in becoming the solution.
@@nightoftheworld Since the little ice age ended, the temperature increases at a small but stable pace, and we should be thankful for it. It is not a dramatic change. Sea rises by around 2 mm per year, and it continues to rise at this pace. So nothing dramatic occurs. The CO2 emissions have been very good for the vegetation. It continues to make the earth greener and give us better agricultural yield. The effect is dramatic. Recently, it has been warm in the northern hemisphere. On the other hand, it has been cold in the southern hemisphere. Average temperature has not changed much. It belongs to the globalist agenda to induce climate panic and Covid panic. Don't be fooled!
@@matswinther8991 “evil resides in the very gaze which perceives evil all around itself.” -Hegel, Phenomenology Thankfully we have institutions like NASA/WMO/IPCC who have been tracking and monitoring these environmental conditions over time. Temperature/green house gas concentrations have oscillated across planetary time, no one contests that-it is the _exponential rate_ of that change over the last 150 years which has become crystal clear now. This change is clear because we have compiled physical data from ice cores/coral reefs/petrified tree rings/rock strata that gives us a view of temperature conditions across the last few million years of earth’s history. I’m glad you are a conspiracist actually because it means you are skeptical, but to me your skepticism is pointed in a perverse direction. That makes us an echo of each other anyways I guess, from opposite ends. Except my skepticism is around profit motives surrounding denialism (Exxon mobile, Koch industries, etc.). Infinitely more credence IMO that private companies would be spreading denialism than peer reviewed institutions manufacturing fake news.
@@nightoftheworld The data of the IPCC, collected by scientists, show no cause for alarm. However, the politicians who formulate the IPCC policy ring the alarm bell, anyway. They do this for political reasons, because they are in league with the Antichrist, who strives after world dominion. They belong to the globalists who want to assume control of the world. Watch out! You are being led astray by the Antichrist. Other organizations that follow the globalist agenda are the UN and the WEF.
@@matswinther8991 “Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will give you light.” Eph. 5:14 IPCC Sixth Assessment Report 2022: “Despite scientific certainty of the anthropogenic influence on climate change, misinformation and politicization of climate change science has created polarization in public and policy domains in North America, limiting climate action. Vested interests have generated rhetoric and misinformation that undermines climate science and disregards risk and urgency. Resultant public misperception of climate risks and polarized public support for climate actions is delaying urgent adaptation planning and implementation. […] Successful adaptation requires urgent, more ambitious and accelerated action and, at the same time, rapid and deep cuts in greenhouse gas emissions. The quicker and further emissions fall, the more scope there is for people and nature to adapt.”
A fantastic discussion! Dr. McGrath does a brilliant job of critiquing modern society by rethinking the movement of the early Christians. Truly inspiring
‘Failure will never discourage him’ wow what a powerful way to embody what it means to live in true faith.
Thanks for these discussions, I’ve listened to many now. This may be one of Sean’s most sober ones IMO. He mentioned the emergent church-do you know of Peter Rollins and his efforts to foster such contemplativeness thru more secular forms of communion (pyrotheology/ pints and parables/ wake conference)?
Rollins too sees the a/theistic core of the Christian message and employs Hegel/Lacan/Zizek alongside biblical interpretation to intervene in culture to help us find dialogue with the other, to reintroduce us to the fruit of negation, to that depth dimension of life which seems to have faded away in this superficial age of new positivism.
I have appreciated your comments on these discussions. Thank you for bringing in some of the view from Hegel/Lacan/Zizek. It's important perspective, at least for this reader. More of Sean's philosophical roots and grappling will become clearer, I suspect, if the podcast series continues. He's great at offering a vital philosophical/theological alternative to Hegel; this is true even if we're not finished with Hegel. Bless.
In acknowledging Mother Nature it is good not to discount Father God. In the past one point of view replaced the other giving a one-dimensional aspect to life. It should be both, they do not cancel each other out. There is the creator and that which is created and they both are equally valid. The trinity: the creator and the created and the child that is their progeny which propels life forwards, if linear to an ultimate end, if circular to where it began, with the difference that the progeny is now also conscious.
A hot earth is not necessarily given-carbon sequestration technologies have a chance of being able to mitigate/reverse some of that. Not that we should gamble on that and do nothing about our current unsustainable patterns of course, but the future is not closed here..
The Holy Supper of the early Christians was a full meal that included fish. "Their uniting bonds are a holy shepherd and holy virgin, common texts and table, bread, wine and fish" (The Cambridge History of Christianity, v.1, p.296). Also pagan ritual centered around the godly meal. They ate the sacrificial animal in togetherness.
There is no evidence of a climate crisis. Since the "little ice age" ended in the mid-nineteenth century, temperature has slowly increased, and it continues to do so at the same pace. Considering that it hasn't accelerated, there is no panic. The CO2 emissions only do good for the vegetation.
However, the sun slowly grows hotter and hotter, and in a couple of hundred million years the sun will be so hot that the earth becomes uninhabitable. In a billion years, the earth will be more like Venus, and then it cannot sustain any life at all.
Because of original sin, humanity can never establish an ecological civilization. As long as one can become rich by destroying the earth, people will do this. I think McGrath is too optimistic.
False. As NASA and IPCC reports state: Yes there have been historical warming and cooling cycles for millennia BUT it is the _rate_ at which warming has occurred since the industrial revolution which is alarming, which has birthed the word “Anthropocene”.
According to NASA current warming is occurring at 10x the rate of historical paleoclimate cycles as evidenced in ice cores, tree tings, coral reefs, ocean sediments and sedimentary rock layers. Before 1950, CO2 concentrations never reached above 300ppm-today we are at around 420ppm. All that extra energy we dug up and put back into the atmosphere has amplified the rate of warming and is beginning to create feedback loops-excessive heat melting icecaps and permafrost, etc., disrupting the circulation of our oceans and atmospheric currents.
As Christians we ought to tarry with the negative, not seek refuge beneath comforting disinformations. It’s terrifying to really take account of such disasters because it means change is coming like a train. If it will be for the better or worse is up to each of us and our ability to disembed ourselves from cozy fictions of the status quo and participate with others in becoming the solution.
@@nightoftheworld Since the little ice age ended, the temperature increases at a small but stable pace, and we should be thankful for it. It is not a dramatic change. Sea rises by around 2 mm per year, and it continues to rise at this pace. So nothing dramatic occurs. The CO2 emissions have been very good for the vegetation. It continues to make the earth greener and give us better agricultural yield. The effect is dramatic.
Recently, it has been warm in the northern hemisphere. On the other hand, it has been cold in the southern hemisphere. Average temperature has not changed much. It belongs to the globalist agenda to induce climate panic and Covid panic. Don't be fooled!
@@matswinther8991 “evil resides in the very gaze which perceives evil all around itself.” -Hegel, Phenomenology
Thankfully we have institutions like NASA/WMO/IPCC who have been tracking and monitoring these environmental conditions over time.
Temperature/green house gas concentrations have oscillated across planetary time, no one contests that-it is the _exponential rate_ of that change over the last 150 years which has become crystal clear now. This change is clear because we have compiled physical data from ice cores/coral reefs/petrified tree rings/rock strata that gives us a view of temperature conditions across the last few million years of earth’s history.
I’m glad you are a conspiracist actually because it means you are skeptical, but to me your skepticism is pointed in a perverse direction.
That makes us an echo of each other anyways I guess, from opposite ends. Except my skepticism is around profit motives surrounding denialism (Exxon mobile, Koch industries, etc.). Infinitely more credence IMO that private companies would be spreading denialism than peer reviewed institutions manufacturing fake news.
@@nightoftheworld The data of the IPCC, collected by scientists, show no cause for alarm. However, the politicians who formulate the IPCC policy ring the alarm bell, anyway. They do this for political reasons, because they are in league with the Antichrist, who strives after world dominion. They belong to the globalists who want to assume control of the world. Watch out! You are being led astray by the Antichrist. Other organizations that follow the globalist agenda are the UN and the WEF.
@@matswinther8991 “Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will give you light.” Eph. 5:14
IPCC Sixth Assessment Report 2022:
“Despite scientific certainty of the anthropogenic influence on climate change, misinformation and politicization of climate change science has created polarization in public and policy domains in North America, limiting climate action. Vested interests have generated rhetoric and misinformation that undermines climate science and disregards risk and urgency. Resultant public misperception of climate risks and polarized public support for climate actions is delaying urgent adaptation planning and implementation. […] Successful adaptation requires urgent, more ambitious and accelerated action and, at the same time, rapid and deep cuts in greenhouse gas emissions. The quicker and further emissions fall, the more scope there is for people and nature to adapt.”