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Psychology & The Cross
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At the intersection of psychology and religion, action and contemplation. Recent publication by Jakob Lusensky, 'C.G Jung: Face to Face with Christianity - Conversations on Dreaming the Myth Onward' published by Chiron Publications.
E24 Confronting Death with Luis Moris
In this episode I speak to a dear friend and colleague, Luis Moris about his most recent book "Confronting Death". The conversation ambulate around Jung's writings on death and dying and the role of "the dead" in the process of individuation.
Luis Moris is a Jungian analyst in private practice in Zurich. He is the founder of Blue Salamandra Films. He has produced and directed several films including interviews with prominent Jungian analysts. His website is: www.luismoris.com
Confronting Death edited by Luis Moris and Murray Stein is now out on Chiron Publications.
The music played in this episode is licensed under creativecommons.org: Ketsa - One has another.
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Luis Moris is a Jungian analyst in private practice in Zurich. He is the founder of Blue Salamandra Films. He has produced and directed several films including interviews with prominent Jungian analysts. His website is: www.luismoris.com
Confronting Death edited by Luis Moris and Murray Stein is now out on Chiron Publications.
The music played in this episode is licensed under creativecommons.org: Ketsa - One has another.
#jungian #podcast...
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Doppelgänger: Rudolf Steiner & C.G Jung with Aaron French
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In this episode, I speak to religious studies scholar Aaron French. Out of Rudolf Steiner’s concept of the Doppelgänger and Jung’s concept of The Shadow, we explore what to learn when putting these two visionaries in the same room. Aaron J. French is a post-doctoral researcher in Religious Studies at the University of Erfurt in Germany. His main research focuses on the History of Esotericism, t...
Reflections ~ Murray Stein
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I invited a few of scholars partaking in the book 'C.G Jung: Face to Face with Christianity' to share a personal reflection after reading the book. Third out is Jungian analyst and scholar Murray Stein. The book is available to purchase on Amazon and from Chiron Publications website.
C.G Jung: Face to Face with Christianity - Book release episode
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This week the book C.G Jung: Face to Face with Christianity - Dreaming the myth onwards is finally released. For this episode I decided to swap seats and have Sean McGrath interview myself. Thank you for listening and feel free to support this podcast by purchasing a copy of the book. #bookrelease #psychology #jungianpsychology
S3E6 Dietrich Bonhoeffer, invisible Christianity and it's church
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In the final episode of this season of searching for the seeds of Secular Christianity, we travel to the 20th century to learn from the German Protestant theologian Dietrich Bonhoeffer. We explore his concept of religionless Christianity which developed as he sat imprisoned in Berlin by the Nazi regime for his resistance, and before his execution. McGrath continues to link back to Augustines id...
S3E5 Secular Christ | Living without a why
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What Meister Eckhart learnt, and we can learn, from The Beguines. #christianmysticism #Benguines #podcast
S3E5 Secular Christ | Meister Eckhart & Beguine Mysticism
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We left off in Alexandria in the second century and in this episode time travel a thousand years forward in tie, to the 14th century Northern Europe. At this point in time, particularly in Belgium and in Western Germany in the Rhineland, a non dual philosophy of Christianity emerges. The center player is Meister Eckhart and we explore his relationship to the woman's movement of The Beguines. Vi...
S3E4 Secular Christ | Clement of Alexandria
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In this episode we travel back in time to the city of Alexandria, the cultural Mecca of the Roman Empire to learn from the Christian theologian and philosopher Clement of Alexandria (150-215 AD), about how to build resilience in our present age. The music played in this episode is licensed under creativecommons.org: XYLO - ZIK - SUBMERSIBLE
S3E3 Secular Christ | Christian humanism
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We need to reclaim the future for Christian consciousness, and to recognize that the first Christians were looking towards the future, looking towards the fruition of something. They were not commemorating something that was past. They were actually witnessing something that is coming to be. - Sean J McGrath and Jakob Lusensky go seeking for the seeds of Secular Christianity. The music played i...
S3E2 Secular Christ | The glory of God is man fully alive
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The Christian teaching is that we are not yet human. We are on the way towards humanity. Humanity is still to come. - Sean J McGrath and Jakob Lusensky go seeking for the seeds of Secular Christianity. The music played in this episode is licensed under creativecommons.org: XYLO - ZIK - RAINBOW
S3E1 Secular Christ 3 | Seeds of Secular Christianity
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In the third season of Secular Christ with Sean J McGrath we go seeking for the seeds of Secular Christianity and what could cure the neurotic Christianity of our time. The music played in this episode is licensed under creativecommons.org: XYLO - ZIK - RAINBOW #christian #jung #podcast
C.G Jung: Face to Face with Christianity now available for pre-order
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I am delighted to announce that the upcoming publication C.G Jung: Face to Face with Christianity - Conversations on Dreaming the Myth Onward published by Chiron Publications is now available for pre-order. t.ly/_yjk9 With the conversations from the podcast as a starting point this book explores C.G. Jung's lifelong wrestling with Christianity and its importance for us today. Can Jungian psycho...
The Secret of the Golden Flower with Jason Smith
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The Secret of the Golden Flower is a Taoist text on inner alchemy that landed in Jung's hands in the late 1920s. It was the sinologist and Christian missionary in China, Richard Wilhelm who sent the text to Jung for a commentary. It's hard to overestimate the importance this text had on Jung and his work. Reading this text made him abandon his work on the Red Book and shift his focus outside to...
E21 Hans Trüb & Psychoanalysis at eye level with Paul Bishop
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Hans Trüb is one of the unsung heroes of the early movement of Analytical Psychology. He was a pioneer of relational psychoanalysis or intersubjective psychotherapy years before any such terms were coined. Trüb (which means 'cloudy' or ‘gloomy’ in German) had a personal friendship and later conflict with Jung and an ongoing correspondence with philosopher Martin Buber. Trüb's psychological theo...
E20 Rudolf Steiner & C.G Jung with Jonah C. Evans
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In this episode, I speak to Jonah C. Evans about the ideas of Austrian social reformer, architect, and Christian esotericist Rudolf Steiner (1861-1925) and how they relate to Jung's psychology. Jonah is a priest and director of the seminary of the Christian Community in North America based in Toronto. The Christian Community is an international Christian movement inspired by Rudolf Steiner and ...
Seeds of Secular Christianity | Secular Christ Season 3 (Trailer)
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Seeds of Secular Christianity | Secular Christ Season 3 (Trailer)
E19 Healing Fire: Orthodox Christianity & Analytical Psychology with Pia Chaudhari
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E19 Healing Fire: Orthodox Christianity & Analytical Psychology with Pia Chaudhari
E17 C.G Jung on Ignatius of Loyola’s spiritual exercises with Martin Liebscher
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E17 C.G Jung on Ignatius of Loyola’s spiritual exercises with Martin Liebscher
A mind free to explore with John A Sanford (edited version)
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A mind free to explore with John A Sanford (edited version)
E16 Etty Hillesum & C.G Jung with Barbara Morrill
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E16 Etty Hillesum & C.G Jung with Barbara Morrill
C.G Jung and the Machine (Interviewed by Kaarle Nordenstreng, Feb 1961)
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C.G Jung and the Machine (Interviewed by Kaarle Nordenstreng, Feb 1961)
Divine folly - C.G Jung's imitation of Christ (Excerpt Red Book, Chapter XIV)
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Divine folly - C.G Jung's imitation of Christ (Excerpt Red Book, Chapter XIV)
Sickness unto death by S. Kierkegaard (Remixed by The Psychiatry)
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Sickness unto death by S. Kierkegaard (Remixed by The Psychiatry)
E15 The depth psychology of Søren Kierkegaard with Dr. C. Stephen Evans
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E15 The depth psychology of Søren Kierkegaard with Dr. C. Stephen Evans
The razor's edge of contemplative Christianity
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The razor's edge of contemplative Christianity
E14 The Great Whale: Answer to Job with Paul Bishop
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E14 The Great Whale: Answer to Job with Paul Bishop
S2E4 A letter to a young contemplative
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S2E4 A letter to a young contemplative
For continual reflection, I made notes of the most salient points made throughout season 1 of this brilliant podcast. If anyone here is interested, let me know! :)
for contemporary man I feel James Hillman is the transcendent function of the two....i need all three to understand each one individually.... Steiner is so cosmic that it's disorienting unless you've read Hillman and Jung...but Hillman tries to give us something similar to Owen Barfield's Final Participation... how to bring it back to daily lived life....the archetypal consciousness and how thought can be embodied when imbibed through the image
Brandenburg is not Poland....it is middle germany
He is my favorite author and I'm so blessed to have found him. ❤
Few sure of the Self Through who pleroma flows the distance 2 the future where the new tree grows 🦍🙏🚪🍀
His book, “The kingdom within,” is phenomenal! This man was a gift!
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Weird, i used to listen to roudolph Steiner until i recognized too many energetic signatures of my exes mother Sandy who went to great lengths and extreme measures to hurt me and make sure i couldn't recover..
Connection is called freemasonry, used to be called the mysteries
I guess that doesn't get a response huh
I agree tho
Christ didn't come to start a new religion he came to destroy religion is about faith Relgion means to bind up . Read mark 3:27
@joshuawilliams9276 To me, Christ meant universal awareness unidentified with form, aka the father or logos. Basically, the I am before it is identified with a form also known by other names.
In one of Steiner’s lectures he talked about how the moral behavior or lack of it played out in this realm affects directly the beings evolving on Jupiter. I could have misunderstood the claim.
Upon reading Barbara's new book today. I did not like her writing at all.
Jung believed spirits resided in "the unconscious," while Steiner posited they existed in a spiritual realm. Today, we understand the unconscious as static content, primarily memories stored in the brain, not the dynamic mind Jung envisioned. Therefore, discussions about angels should refer to the spiritual realm, the Otherworld, the Platonic Hyperuranion, or the Christian kingdom of God-a realm both symbolic and corporeal. Jungians need to move beyond Jung's focus on "phenomenology." But modern theologians have "immanentized" the kingdom of God, interpreting it as a future good society based on Christian norms. Jungians, with their emphasis on symbols, could challenge this trend. Steiner's views are concerning in that also he envisions a future good society. In "The Threefold Social Order," he suggests that adopting his social ideas could transform society into one free from current evils. He believes social engineering can eradicate evil and corruption, a notion Augustine refutes in "City of God."
When Jung used the term spirits, it was used as psychological concepts and not be confused with the spirits in normal parlance. Not that he believed in the latter. The unconscious cannot be reduced to a deep recess in the memory. Jung's idea was that it and the subconscious are deeply (more or less) seated yes, but they affect our daily actions and inactions and have thus an effect on us. That's the dynamic Jung described as 'fate'. And I would not term Jung as a theologian in any shape or form. He used religious symbology and prominently the Christ as a symbol of the self. However, he had no 'missionary' bone.
Thank you as always for your thoughtful commentary Mats.
I want to correct something you said: early on in his research jung believed in autonomous complexes, which are rooted in archetypal forces. He drew parallels to the myths of ghosts and demons found in earlier cultures. he attributed all these forces to the psyche, and the unconscious. As he got older, he later realised because of synchronicity and acausul effects in reality these "spirits" or "daemons" or archetypal forces have their own psychic reality.... so essentially he came to believe that spirits have a reality of their own outaide the psyche.
@@BrundageBungalows Interesting take. Now that I think of it, it is to be expected, in the sense that if the collective unconscious is, on the one level, the external (from without an individual's psyche but not culture) having an 'affect' on the sense of self within, these overarching archetypes must be out there being 'manifested' from within. However, what I have difficulty with is that these 'spirits' have no 'environment' to support their physical existence and must be understood as 'projections' of the mind. In that sense and to borrow the title of a Sting song, there can be no 'Spirits in the material world'. As to Jung's beliefs, after I read his Aeon, I was left reeling not at all clear what to make of his creed (was he pushing that or using example), his knowledge of astrology (does he believe it's science or is it for illustrative purposes)...I think (I am sure I'm wrong) that he is the last polymath. A brilliant mind. My opinion.
No, Jung merely proposed that the archetypes of numbers are fundamental to the unus mundus, the psychophysical foundation of the world. Beyond this, he concentrated on psychic phenomena and showed little interest in ontology.
Jung is the psychology of George Lucas... I think you're right. Hadn't thought of that
This is exactly what I was looking for. I found Peterson, then Rohr, through Centering Prayer and the Enneagram.
Christianity already has a better concept than "the unconscious", namely the Kingdom of God/Heaven. It was utterly central in the teaching of Jesus. Only in Matthew's gospel it occurs 32 times. But its meaning has been reduced to obedience to His rule, which is a platitude. Jung is right, in a sense, because the mythological and mystical side of Christianity has been smothered, presumably because of its paganistic connotations. On the other hand, the psychoanalytic unconscious is incompatible with Christian theology. Ann Conrad Lammers ("In God's shadow", 1994) argues against Murray Stein and others. She says that Jung is too biased from the start in that he rejects many of the central tenets of theology (p. 151).
There's been only two things that have helped me realize this in my journey with Christianity. The first is Eastern Orthodox Christianity, of which I joined 7 years ago. Their doctrine of Theosis and focus on inner transformation leads to inner work, but too much focus on asceticism as the method for inner healing is a big trap in the EO Church. The second one is the book The Kingdom Within by John Sanford, a Christian Jungian analyst. He argues that the Kingdom of God within us that Christ speaks of in the gospels can be seen as inner Wholeness and Individuation; this along with Orthodoxy has been the most holistic experience of Christianity for me
The kingdom of God is perceived through the inner eye; but it is not "within". It's because it transcends space and time. As I discuss in my latest article, it has consistently been subjected to ‘immanentization’. See: "Some remarks on Wolfhart Pannenberg’s theology, the immanentization of the eschaton and the misinterpretation of the kingdom of God".
The article was very helpful. Thank you.
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Id love to hear a conversation/interview with Sean and Brendan Graham Dempsey. It seems like his project of Metamodern Christianity has some synergies with what you are working toward.
Thank you! Exactly what I was searching for and looking forward to reading Amy’s book
So you’re pushing Christianity on Jung...God isn’t contained by any Book!
Jung was haunted & mesmerized by Christianity. His memoirs details his inner conflict with it til he died. His late thoughts particularly are striking and thought further development of it was absolutely crucial. So Jung would have loved this.
Two heros.. both anti-semites Henry Ford knew too
Great talk! Shekhinah is really central in Kabbalah. I think it is a mistake to think that Alchemy is gnostic in the sense that it rejects matter and regards it as evil. It is rather a transformation and perfection of matter and spirit. I think we have to lean towards the good. A really good book that I am reading at the moment is 'Carl Jung and Maximus the Confessor on psychic development'. It is really dense. A lot of mystics and individuals in history are on the left-hand path. They are in a zone of danger outside of the conventions of society. It seems that The Grail Myth is more central and perhaps something that is eternal although Erich Neumann points out in The Origins and History of Consiousness that Ego-consciousness is an emergent process. People where not as individuated in for example the middle ages as they are today. Campbell: "...One writer of the Grail legend starts his long epic with a short poem saying, “Every act has both good and evil results.” Every act in life yields pairs of opposites in its results. The best we can do is lean toward the light, toward the harmonious relationships that come from compassion with suffering, from understanding the other person. This is what the Grail is about. And this is what comes out in the romance."
I have listened to Sean McGrath talk about Jakob Böhme. It is this idea that we precive darkness in God when we are in sin. Micheal Martin is a person who is really interesting and he talks about sophiology. Worth investigating. *** When I studied advertising briefly I got introduced to Martinism under very strange circumstances and I was told by a former member by the order that it was the path towards evil. I have read works by Louis-Claude de Saint-Martin and although he is inspired by Böhme I actually think he has a gnostic interpretation of him. Hegel and C G Jung are also influenced by Böhme.
This is a gem. It is so interesting to see how this relates to Aion and the integration of opposites something that Nietzsche also thinks about but not in terms of Christ and Anti-Christ. It is clear that Faust was the first step in bringing God down from heaven into the human psyche. It would be wonderful if you could have a talk with Bernardo Kastrup about idealism.
Interesting talk. I think it is important to speak of Christ as an archetype from the perspective of the the psychotic experience. I have read stories of people who think that they are Christ during a psychotic break and this is a recurring phenomena. I have experienced psychotic episodes and they where very religious experiences and without help from Jungian analysis and till a certain extent medications I do not know where I would have ended up. I considered suicide at the time.
It was Augustine who invented the concept of the invisible Church. He called it the City of God, inhabited by the people predestined to salvation. The profane people belong to the Earthly City. We cannot know who belongs to which city. I am critical of Bonhoeffer. He espoused Bultmann's concept of demythologization, i.e., to divest of mythological forms by formulating the symbols in intellectual words that modern people can understand. This runs exactly counter to Jung's view. After all, he introduced the idea of the symbolic life. But Bonhoeffer thought that Bultmann didn't go far enough: "My opinion of it today would be that he went not 'too far,' as most people thought, but rather not far enough. It's not only 'mythological' concepts like miracles, ascension, and so on (which in principle can't be separated from concepts of God, faith, etc.!) that are problematic, but 'religious' concepts as such. You can't separate God from the miracles (as Bultmann thinks); instead, you must be able to interpret and proclaim them *both* 'nonreligiously.'" (Letter: May 5, 1944) It led to the "Death of God"-movement in the sixties, which soon petered out.
Jung actually states his distaste for Bultmann one of his published letters. But I doubt he ever read Bultmann. In reality, Bultmann's ideas are much closer to Jung than most people ever realize. If you read the "Entmythologisierungs-Essay" (Zum Problem der Entmythologisierung), you will find that all Bultmann is talking about is nothing more than a hermeneutical/exegetical tool for gaining a proper understanding of Biblical texts: he makes clear that "myths" are concerned with talking about real things (i.e. not just fairy tales, fabulations or run-away metaphors) but not objective reality in the naturalistic, positivistic sense of 19th and 20th century science. Instead, the texts are speaking truths of human existence. Since these are not immediately understandable, they necessitate interpretation. Notice how similar this is to Jung's understanding in which myths as much as dreams express psychological truths that are in need of interpretation. This even enables Jung to speak of "God" purely psychologically, as a psychological constant and symbol of the self. He repeatedly defends himself against the accusation of "theology" by claiming to make no metaphysical claims about any god, only speaking of the image of god within psychological bounds. Bultmanns "Entmythologisierungsprogramm" on the other hand does not in fact do away with myths altogether. The "mythical" Bible is supposed to be read in church and remain as such. The "program" only has a purpose in helping preachers come to an understanding adequate both to the text and their listeners.
Death of God isn't dead yet. See Peter Rollins and Slavoj Zizek
I'm skeptical about Eckhart's teaching. It conflicts with Christian theism in that it has strong pantheistic overtones. Equally controversial is the theologian Paul Tillich. Similar to Eckhart, he views God as the Ground of Being. John P. Dourley ("Paul Tillich, Carl Jung and the Recovery of Religion") says: "Again in remarkable affinity with Eckhart and Jung's appropriation of Eckhart, Tillich suggests that the fourth could be a divinity "above" the Trinity or that the "Father" be revisioned as a common ground from which the distinct persons proceed. [...] But even in terms of his own amplification of quaternity Tillich goes on immediately to identify this "common source of divinity", the fourth, as maternal and the furthest reach of divinity, the ground of being itself, understood here as the first principle of divine life." (pp. 78-79)
To be fair, a lot this season so far has been about pre-Constantinian Christianity, where Christians believed all kinds of wild stuff. Ekhart is quite tame by comparison.
Are you still putting new episodes on Spotify as well?
Yes, they are all to be found here: open.spotify.com/show/4XQ9xJrhTsjnpbqGg9DZ5g
"We have said that without projection there can be no anger, but it is also true that without extension there can be no love. ²These reflect a fundamental law of the mind, and therefore one that always operates. ³It is the law by which you create and were created. ⁴It is the law that unifies the Kingdom, and keeps it in the Mind of God. ⁵To the ego, the law is perceived as a means of getting rid of something it does not want. ⁶To the Holy Spirit, it is the fundamental law of sharing, by which you give what you value in order to keep it in your mind. ⁷To the Holy Spirit it is the law of extension. ⁸To the ego it is the law of deprivation. ⁹It therefore produces abundance or scarcity, depending on how you choose to apply it. ¹⁰This choice is up to you, but it is not up to you to decide whether or not you will utilize the law. ¹¹Every mind must project or extend, because that is how it lives, and every mind is life. 2. The ego’s use of projection must be fully understood before the inevitable association between projection and anger can be finally undone. ²The ego always tries to preserve conflict. ³It is very ingenious in devising ways that seem to diminish conflict, because it does not want you to find conflict so intolerable that you will insist on giving it up. ⁴The ego therefore tries to persuade you that _it_ can free you of conflict, lest you give the ego up and free yourself. ⁵Using its own warped version of the laws of God, the ego utilizes the power of the mind only to defeat the mind’s real purpose. ⁶It projects conflict from your mind to other minds, in an attempt to persuade you that you have gotten rid of the problem. 3. There are two major errors involved in this attempt. ²First, strictly speaking, conflict cannot be projected because it cannot be shared. ³Any attempt to keep part of it and get rid of another part does not really mean anything. ⁴Remember that a conflicted teacher is a poor teacher and a poor learner. ⁵His lessons are confused, and their transfer value is limited by his confusion. ⁶The second error is the idea that you can get rid of something you do not want by giving it away. ⁷Giving it is how you _keep_ it. ⁸The belief that by seeing it outside you have excluded it from within is a complete distortion of the power of extension. ⁹That is why those who project are vigilant for their own safety. ¹⁰They are afraid that their projections will return and hurt them. ¹¹Believing they have blotted their projections from their own minds, they also believe their projections are trying to creep back in. ¹²Since the projections have not left their minds, they are forced to engage in constant activity in order not to recognize this. 4. You cannot perpetuate an illusion about another without perpetuating it about yourself. ²There is no way out of this, because it is impossible to fragment the mind. ³To fragment is to break into pieces, and mind cannot attack or be attacked. ⁴The belief that it can, an error the ego always makes, underlies its whole use of projection. ⁵It does not understand what mind is, and therefore does not understand what _you_ are. ⁶Yet its existence is dependent on your mind, because the ego is your belief. ⁷The ego is a confusion in identification. ⁸Never having had a consistent model, it never developed consistently. ⁹It is the product of the misapplication of the laws of God by distorted minds that are misusing their power. 5. _Do not be afraid of the ego._ ²It depends on your mind, and as you made it by believing in it, so you can dispel it by withdrawing belief from it. ³Do not project the responsibility for your belief in it onto anyone else, or you will preserve the belief. ⁴When you are willing to accept sole responsibility for the ego’s existence you will have laid aside all anger and all attack, because they come from an attempt to project responsibility for your own errors. ⁵But having accepted the errors as yours, do not keep them. ⁶Give them over quickly to the Holy Spirit to be undone completely, so that all their effects will vanish from your mind and from the Sonship as a whole. 6. The Holy Spirit will teach you to perceive beyond your belief, because truth is beyond belief and His perception is true. ²The ego can be completely forgotten at any time, because it is a totally incredible belief, and no one can keep a belief he has judged to be unbelievable. ³The more you learn about the ego, the more you realize that it cannot be believed. ⁴The incredible cannot be understood because it is unbelievable. ⁵The meaninglessness of perception based on the unbelievable is apparent, but it may not be recognized as being beyond belief, because it is made _by_ belief. 7. The whole purpose of this course is to teach you that the ego is unbelievable and will forever be unbelievable. ²You who made the ego by believing the unbelievable cannot make this judgment alone. ³By accepting the Atonement for yourself, you are deciding against the belief that you can be alone, thus dispelling the idea of separation and affirming your true identification with the whole Kingdom as literally part of you. ⁴This identification is as beyond doubt as it is beyond belief. ⁵Your wholeness has no limits because being is infinity." A Course In Miracles (1975) Author: _Jesus Christ_ "Psychology and the Cross...." Thats a very early passage in the Course, focusing in very highly psychological terms -- using the best available ideas on the Earth in order to fulfill his promise, "I have much to say to you all, but you cannot bear it now. But a time is coming when I will speak plainly." John Hope this helps you on your way. It's so strange to me to share this with people, because people don't believe that Someone who walked on water, gave sight to the blind, overcame death and appeared to his disciples after, could possibly give a teaching to us in our modern era.... And so many people sincerely seek the truth of Christ, His teachings; and here it is, His teachings. See how Christ's own teachings differ from the church. Do the daily lessons. Be one. _Adonai_
Eckhart says: "When I saw into myself I saw God in me" ... "Where God is there is the soul, and where the soul is there is God" ... "the Ground of God and the Ground of the soul are one nature" (Harkness, "Mysticism", p. 106). Carl Jung embraces Eckhart, as he "understands God as a psychological value." Eckhart says that "man is truly God, and God is truly man" and "[t]he soul is all things because she is an image of God, and as such she is also the kingdom of God" (CW 6). The Church was appalled with Eckhart's teaching. According to Augustine, humanity is completely fallen and divine nature is extinct from the human soul. Only a broken image of God remains. Luther, too, says that "human nature has completely fallen." But, thanks to the *external* righteousness of Christ, the Christian is also completely righteous. (Interestingly, also the Neoplatonist Iamblichus broke with Plotinus and argued that the human soul is completely fallen. Nevertheless, we may ascend to God through theurgic practices.) Is human nature completely fallen or not? From a scientific perspective, the soul is neural activity. Thus, it lacks divine nature. How is it possible to argue, in the modern time, that human beings share something substantive with God?
I think this was my favorite episode this season. What a beautiful message. I really enjoyed Dr. McGrath's discussion of Eckhart Non-dualist theology, and Eckhart's relation to the Beguines. This episode made me actually open up my Bible to read Gal: 3. The Secular Christ is by far my favorite Podcast.
Great interview!
Just remember that Clement of Alexandria is a controversial figure. He was removed from the Catholic calendar in the 17th century because his doctrines were regarded as suspect. Clement believed that mortals who turn to the Christian faith become gods and will remain immortal gods in the afterlife. By wearing white garments and imitating Christ one is "practicing to be a god." Jung and Luther both repudiated 'imitatio Christi' as a way of self-divinization. Augustine contends that humans can no longer move towards reunion with God because sin blocks the path. Clement was way too optimistic. The mystic Johannes Tauler spells out the truth: "Whenever you ascribe the divine to yourself, you change the divine into the creaturely and obscure the divine" ("Predigten", bd. 1, p. 94).
Great episode! thank you
I love this series but why are there no more videos posted on Berlin psychoanalytic?
Unfortunately none of us have had the capacity to maintain that channel. Occasionally something will be published there still. Thanks for listening!
@@centerofthecross Good to hear
What seems to bolster McGrath's thesis is that, as long as people were religious, the secular state worked reasonably well. But now, as Americans are losing their religion, democracy erodes rapidly. It is a paradox. The secular democratic state is eroding because people have acquired a secular mindset and become "enlightened" or "woke". I suppose something similar is happening in India. Phil Miles, in two articles in journal Kategoria (Nos. 22, 23, 2001) has an explanation for this. Our society believes in a harmful myth, according to which pluralism together with a relativistic view of truth produces tolerance, while a belief in absolute truths leads to tyranny. In fact, it is the other way round. Tyranny develops out of relativism, while tolerance is associated with absolute values.
It is worth remembering that it wasn't Christianity who invented the notion of restraining the bodily passions. Both Eastern and Western philosophical and religious thought reverberate the theme of restraining bodily passions through self-discipline and self-denial. The practices of self-mortification expected of Aztec priests were horrendous. The ostensibly this-worldly ideal of Christianity mustn't be understood politically, because the future ideal is the recovery of earthly Paradise. It is really a transcendental concept, well-known in the history of religion. For example, Australian aboriginals have a longing to recover the primordial epoch that began immediately after the creation, which was a paradisiacal age without suffering and death. Death came into being because the communications with heaven had been violently interrupted (cf. Eliade, "The Quest", ch. 5). The immanent ideal of Christianity belongs to mythic, sacred history. It transcends the socialist ideal of material welfare.
It seems that this episode begins with a repetition of the previous episode.
It’s just a short recap of last episode before it gets started.
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I love this interview. It brings to light in my perception that the Christ mind is able to see the whole of the psycho-spiritual connection. Not to leave out Nietche, I think it can be seen how Nietche encountered the shadow on the Luciferic end of the spectrum, and Jung encountered the shadow more from the Ahrimanic end. Each could taste the powerful will of those two feet of the entire shadow, or Abraxas. Christ had ascended to the head of it all as Steiner was able to perceive. Anything lower than the Christ impulse is from the realm of the shadow, but all is part of the whole cosmic being. Steiner, in builder’s terms, was master at leveling the bubble.
Stop lying to yourself. The evidence does not support the veracity of the gospels, much less your high christology.
I Love That. Thank you for all your love and support. Dr. Murray…. Words cannot express the love I feel for you. See you soon . Carl G. Jung💯
Actually, today many believe that the Gospels were written in the second century and that Marcion (c.85-c.160) compiled the first New Testament. If it weren't for him Paul's letters might have been left out. It was Marcion who discovered Galatians. In the Acts of the Apostles, written in the mid-second century, they made room for Paul's letters by toning down his radical message . Until this day, his theology of the cross remains a bone in the throat. Bertrand Russell ("A History of Western Philosophy") calls Marcus Aurelius a pathetic character whose reign was a failure. Russell's critique of Stoicism is rather damaging, I think.
My two cents: 1. Marcion's popularity has indeed grown, especially among scholars who show up on RUclips. But they are still the minority. Bart Ehrman doesn't buy it, for instance. 2. Even if Marcion compiled the collection of a Gospel (a proto Luke) and 10 letters from Paul, that doesn't mean he wrote them (which is what some think).
Absolutely facinating first episode, such a rich conversation filled with an enormous depth of ideas and concepts. Dr. McGrath never disappoints! I am really looking forward to this third season!