Well they can't do that because that would admit there was something wrong with this woke message. And heaven forbid any movement, progressive as it might be, could find missteps because of inadequacies of the human condition regardless of gender, sexuality or race.
"It feels like commentary, but it's commentary that doesn't _say_ anything." That has to be the most concise summary of the whole live-action remake ordeal.
Girl boss paint is, for the majority of a general audience, palatable and inoffensive. Legitimate critique of systemic sexism, racism, etc. is threatening, disorienting, and possibly alienating. Big corporate entities like Disney have little incentive to tell stories that seek to undermine existing power structures. Interesting commentary is inherently going to be more divisive.
@@TheSongwritingCat Is "girl boss paint" any different from "princess paint"? I agree with what you're saying to an extent. But we know the "princess paint" worked at reinforcing those gender stereotypes and images of patriarchal ideas of "femininity". These are broad strokes not nuanced detail. If we want that has Disney ever been the place to go? So the question is does shifting to "girl boss paint" ultimately help in where we want to go in addressing these systemic issues? I often wonder whether we get dragged into the "girl boss" is bad. Because that's what that Patriarchal mindset wants us to. While ironically calling for some nuanced complex character that communicates feminist ideas. But if Disney is propaganda (historically and now) then this is what you get. Simple, clear and two dimensional characters that appeal to children. "Girl boss" isn't bad. I do fear how Ellis is using the term woke. And while maybe in honest faith it's a voice among many who aren't. Who have a very "unwoke" agenda. That's not to say she shouldn't critique or analyse these films, but it's a good idea to be very careful how you frame/structure it.
A quote from Warner Brothers: "The cartoons you are about to see are products of their time. They may depict some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that were commonplace in American society. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. While the following does not represent Warner Bros. view of today's society, these cartoons are being presented as they were originally created, *because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."*
Ironically, this was used for the DVD of a Speedy compilation. Speedy was thought to have been racist towards Mexicans, but they actually loved the mouse. However, the DVD contained the message anyways.
@@joshmbrown42 How is it racist? Because they wanted to make a Mexican cartoon character that the Hispanics in the USA would like? Honestly, I'll never understand why people thought he was a racist character.
Releasing an animal that was raised entirely in captivity into the wild without proper rehabilitation program is actually a very stupid and cruel move, since that animal has no clue about where to look for food, what to avoid, in case of elephants, a highly social species, it has no idea how to communicate or behave with its entirely wild counterparts etc. A REAL smart move would be to put Dumbo and his mom in a sanctuary (or a zoo as a last resort), like it's done with retired circus animals nowdays.
I don't know if its still around, but there used to be a place like this for apes and the like here in the UK. It was a park that would rescue monkeys etc taken as pets, ones wounded, ones freed from testing facilities/poachers, and bring them into an environment where their ultimate goal was rehabilitation. Get them socialised with other members of the species, get them their medical care, get them back out. Of course, some where never released for a variety of different reasons, but the organisation was genuinely ethical and alleviated a lot of suffering *whilst* still serving as entertainment and education for the public
Wildlife conservationist here that has had experience with captive animals (even if my current job is actually me reading sound data for whales in the Ocean, but that’s another story)... You are correct. And it should also be noted that the message that “no Wild animal belongs in captivity” is a bad message too. There are dozens, maybe hundreds, of notable endangered animals that have been saved from extinction due to captive breeding programs. There are some select few animals I think don’t belong in captivity, namely great apes (due to their social nature and intelligence, but I can let that slide since great apes are doing terribly in the wild) and cetaceans (with exceptions like Bottlenose dolphins), but my point still stands.
@@andrewheaney4874 My level of expertise only comes with watching a bunch of panda videos, but I'm glad that you brought up that statement too. Simply because the animal is wild doesn't mean you shouldn't call for a professional to help, or ask the professional to release it even if the animal is still undergoing problems. There's a whole reason why they're called professionals in animal care or zoology.
I'd also like to add the story of a couple who took a chimpanzee in and raised it like a human. If I could remember, that chimpanzee was eventually dropped to a rehab when she started being too aggressive for the household, and that chimp, once thrown in with a bunch of other horny monkeys, was terrified, distressed and confused by this sudden arrangement and has developed depression and existential crisis, because now she's forced to act like something she never thought she was. Thankfully she eventually coped with it, but literally just after two years, she died. They speculated that it was either poaching or homicide from another chimp, and it's honestly not far to imagine because chimpanzees are very aggressive, even to each other, and even if she's been socialising for two years, she was so inexperienced to save her own life that she really couldn't. And even if it was indeed a poacher, she was most likely shot because she's never encountered this problem.
When WB rereleased some older Looney Tunes on DVD, they included a disclaimer that acknowledged that these cartoons were extremely racist, but they left them unaltered because "censoring them would be the same as pretending that bigotry isn't real." That's some real self-awareness, right there.
That reminds me when people form the US tried to "cancel" speedy Gonzales, because it was offensive to Mexicans...ugh! I really hate this outrage culture!
Seeing as Studio Ghibli is often compared to Disney, I think it's safe to say that Miyazaki actually knows how to make empowered female heroines without constantly reminding us of how empowered she is. They just are, it's part of their characterization, nuff said.
In Princess Mononoke- the movie with the most badass and varied women- none of the women ever had to announce what strong independent women they were. If you are a strong independent women, you should never have to say it.
And what's better is, Ghibli's female characters were still human. They had fears and emotions and motivation! they don't just walk around like emotionless planks of wood, acting like "this is me a strong woman, look how strong I am".
The thing I always complain about in these "woke" movies is the fact that continuously TELL us a female character is strong and empowering. She's a strong character? Fine! Stop TELLING us that she's a strong character and SHOW US! That's the whole point of a movie. SHOW US, don't TELL US.
The fact that they keep TELLING that message reveals that they don't actually believe it. A truly empowering movie would start with the unsaid assumption that strong female characters commonly exist, and never waste a second trying to prove it. This is why we get so many boring female characters, whose only role it to be an "inspiration to all the girls out there". How about some interesting characters of all genders with meaningful human flaws? Just imagine the case where you keep telling your daughter "you are NOT less capable than any of the boys!" Probably it didn't even cross her mind in the first place, but now you put that idea in her head. It's like when out of the blue someone tells you that you are most definitely NOT in danger. Now you are suddenly afraid. Similarly, the term "girl power" immediately reveals that it is not actual power, otherwise it would be just called "power".
Tbh the thing that also kinda bugs me - these "strong female leads" are always fighting. Always behaving like bad bitches or something. Some are rude for no reason just for sake of being "strong". They're always trying to say that "strong females" are the ones who behave stereotypically manly, when they're not. You can wear nice dresses, sing and dance, being someone's wife or mother and still be a strong character, what's wrong with it? You can even be weak physically and still be a strong character? You can be shy and quiet or overall behave stereotypically feminine and still be a strong character?
@@anna84259 It's like being a strong female character requires conflict, anti social behaviour and generally being a cunt. This link; www.wagerbop.com/whats-different-between-weight-classes-ufc/ shows some stats about UFC and the difference between weight classes. Watching a movie with some 5'2" chick carving through 20 6'2"goons each with a good 30-40 pounds on her? Ok, that's fine coz Jet Li or Donny Yen could do it without anyone rolling their eyes but that's because they aren't in high heels and skin tight leather pants. Making more believable characters is not really going to meet with the approval of the feminist agenda though I imagine. #vaginapower!
Am I the only one who thinks that acting like being a "strong independent woman" and being "rescued by a prince" are two mutually exclusive things is harmful? I swear that now society is doing to the girls what they used to do to the boys. Nowadays everyone acknowledgdes how harmful and stupid it was to teach boys that showing emotions and any sign of weakness is bad and on the other hand we want to teach little girls that depending on someone they trust and love in hard situations is wrong?
Hayao Miyazaki: “Many of my movies have strong female leads- brave, self-sufficient girls that don't think twice about fighting for what they believe with all their heart. They'll need a friend, or a supporter, but never a savior. Any woman is just as capable of being a hero as any man.”
@@ujjwalmishra8962 It's a pretty well known quote, in response to Spirited Away, I believe. You can literally look up just part of the quote on Google and it'll pop up.
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 She never sold her body to anyone, you twit. She used what she had to get what she wanted... aka she was resourceful. Are you going to try saying being resourceful is a weak trait? By demeaning women's sexuality and however they choose to use it, you demean women. Sexuality isn't the only thing a woman can use but part of being strong and intelligent is knowing what tricks are in your arsenal and when and how to use them to your advantage. The old Jasmine didn't have a guard she could rouse into disobedience to Jafar like the new one did. Unlike the new Jasmine, she tried to use herself to fight the battle instead of calling on a guard (with a speech about loyalty, etc.) to do it for her. So, with this in mind, which one is the superior Jasmine? Which one is more brave? Which one is more proactive? Which one is more resourceful? Which one is stronger? Which is more admirable? The one who says something to try to get others to do something for them or the one who does that something themselves?
Haylla2008 if anything, JAFAR was the one trying to sell his body and then gain power by betrayal. Sure the guy looked like the slimiest of slimes, but that was indeed why he had that snake staff, to get around that.
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 Sure if, by agreeing with you and my feelings being affected in the slightest, you mean the exact opposite. But believe whatever makes you sleep better at night. I've surmised that's what people who don't know how to make a coherent argument usually decide to do in cases such as these.
One line in the original where Jasmine says "I am not a prize to be won" says a lot more than anything they were going for her character in the remake. Yes, even her song too.
Naomi Scott is an OK actress, but I hated what they did with Jasmine's character in the remake. 1) In the original, she wanted to marry out of love and not because of the law. This brought about a side we can sympathize with, while giving the story romance. In the remake, they gave her Jafar's role. She wants to be Sultan because she thinks she can do a better job than the current Sultan. 2) Her song. Jasmine is throwing aside guards, ripping down tapestries, all while saying how she won't be silenced. What does she do the next moment? Basically roll over and beg. This basically crushes the whole "feminine empowerment" flat. How cool would it have been if she had snatched one of the guards' sword and fought her way back to the throne room?
21:08 All I could think of was that scene from Up where Carl's house falls from the blimp and he says "You know, it's just a house." Like, remember when Disney movies had messages about possessions NOT being the most important things in your life?
Why invest millions of dollars into a brand new property that has no guarantee of succeeding when you can invest that same millions of dollars into a subpar remake/sequel that will at the very least get nostalgia money?
@@GoddoDoggo business-wise, of course it makes perfect sense to do what they're doing! they're a company, and i don't blame them for making money in a safe way. my little optimistic heart would just like to see more original content in the classic disney style.
Disney doesn't need to bother trying to make good movies anymore. "Artemis Fowl" for example had a great book yet Disney ruined the story because they knew they could w/out any reprecussions
@@Andre_APM like i said, business wise it makes sense for them to put minimal effort in. i just wish they'd try to make good movies because of their integrity! that's all!
And the best part is that in original Mulan, she had flaws when training but she was able to overcome them with perceverance. But on the Mulan Remake, she was a robotic impossibly perfect human being that were better than everyone else from the start and easily overcoming any flaws of obstacles that she had. That's not a figure that little girls can mirror themselves in, it just feels like an impossible character that we can't inspire ourselves because they are already perfect. Now take spiderman as an example, probably the most famous superhero, he has flaws, struggles with his low paying job, and has his own problems that he manages to overcome, with hardships but he does it, that's a character that little boys AND girls can mirror themselves in, he becomes stronger learning from his mistakes, he's not an ultra perfect princess that nails everything from the beggining to show how GIRLS (and that's important, because little boys also liked watchin Mulan back then) and only girls are stronger than anyone else. Disney movies before could be watched by anyone and still be enjoyed, but nowadays is like having a lecture from an angry parent.
I loathe the Remake and the people who say that the OG was sexist. Especially calling the amazing "I will make a men out of you" training sequence sexist and bad and cutting I out the original. :(
@@Isabelle-hv6ny "Especially calling the amazing "I will make a men out of you" training sequence sexist and bad and cutting I out the original. :(" That scene is amazing PRECISELY because it's meant to be sexist (at least, that's how I see it; bear with me). The song basically says that you need to man up in order to be a soldier. And guess what? Mulan does not, and yet she vanquishes all her obstacles, by using her mind, heart and will, instead of mindless muscle. It's almost as if, I don't know, the remake writers took that "man up" at face value, instead of delving even an inch into its meaning. Yeah, the remake is garbage.
@@Gyvulys It´s been a while since I´ve seen it, so tell me if I´m misremembering, bit weren´t the crows super helpful and didn´t portray any negative stereotypes?
Honestly on paper I don't have a problem with that since there is a lot of trash dumped into the ocean.. but this story takes place way before the 21st century and they're probably gonna mention it once and never again.
Yeah man. Also even her clothes are like a peacocks. Idk what year this was made in but I have this Aurora and Jasmine CD. Jasmine sings this song called more than a peacock 🦚 princess. Soooooo
@@dajoler that and even if racism was addressed in the movie, i wouldn't think it would exactly affect Jasmine given she's a south asian princess set to take command over a south asian kingdom, her only barrier is her gender and even then it doesn't matter much because she just becomes sultan anyway even though that would literally never happen in India in the time period but whatever I guess. Her only true barrier was her dad not approving, she and every other teenager with a parental figure.
@@CommanderKatelyn That reminds me of the other thing that bugs me. Like it was pretty clear that the original movie was set in some Arab country, but now it's Indian for some unexplained reason? Like was it that hard to cast Arab actors, or I don't know, make it LOOK Arab? Theres this huge race problem with brown people being clumped up into one group that's all the same and nobody ever mentions it.
Never watched the movie because I swore to myself I would not touch the Live Action versions but it gave me a Siyeon cover so I don't mind it that much
I’ve come to notice that the problem “woke” people have with old movies is that they teach the “wrong” lesson. Like Cinderella, people don’t like that she doesn’t save herself, but the point of the movie isn’t about how to leave home and hopefully find some sort of job. It’s about staying strong and kind in a bad situation
Even the _Cinderella_ live-action remake wouldn't be made today with a moral like that. Our institutions have literally come to believe that kindness and humility are insufficient and even condescending traits to uphold today. In the wake of George Floyd's murder, the national college-prep school network KIPP actually voted to remove their slogan "Be kind, work hard", for this very reason.
yes exactly she's a victim of abuse but she manages ,stays strong, settles for everything she's given and make the best out of those circumstances. the one thing i didn't like in the remake is her meeting the prince. it made it look like she only went there to meet the prince when in the animation she had no idea who the prince was etc and just wanted to go there for a little glimpse of freedom, a change of air. when people say she was dependant on the prince, it kind of frustrates because in reality her step family was dependant on her and the prince was only an enabler/plot device to make her situation better. also she's not supposed to save herself the point being that she's a victim of abuse.
if they want to successfully sweep their "problematic past" under the rug they should stop making these remakes in the first place. Just make new stories, better ones, with the messages that they now want to stand for
@@Neonach That's a problem in Hollywood in general. Disney certainly but then you have all the 80s franchise sequels (terminator, rambo, top gun). The Marvel and DC movies. Remakes of movies that aren't even that old (Grudge). The list goes on and on
@@Gyvulys For the time it’s was impossible to not to have problems as they had certain beliefs back then. Now we know those actually hurt certain groups of people and want others to not fix but be more mindful off when telling stories. Just because you can’t see the problems does not mean they aren’t there.
@@imperial2252 But people often say as if "a few bad apples" is insignificant, as in "oh, it's just a few bad apples. Leave them alone." when the entire phrase is indicating that "a few bad apples" is NOT, in fact, insignificant.
Making Jasmine like that in the remake destroys the dynamic between her and Aladdin. Originally Aladdin wanted the palace life while Jasmine was trying to get out of it. Now it's just a mess.
Fun fact: The pink elephants sequence in Dumbo only exists because the animators decided to go nuts after Walt Disney had a mental breakdown and took a sabbatical. Literally a case of "the king's away, it's time to play".
I thought it was because Walt Disney was working with Salvidor Dali and the two wanted to created a surrealist work of art? I got that information from my English Teacher in high school though so it might not be accurate. Do you happen to have a source I can look into? I'm actually quite fascinated by this.
@@Swordflash4 No the Dali/Destino collaboration (1946) was 5 years after the release of Dumbo in 1941. "Following their first meeting, Dalí and Disney came up with the idea of collaborating on the “Destino” short. Dalí began working on the film in 1946, creating 22 paintings and more than 135 storyboards, drawings, and sketches. Disney's studio then generated about 20 seconds of original animation based on these ideas." The complete short film was only completed decades later for the release of Fantasia 2000 I think.
It's really disappointing that they seemingly care a lot about attempting to write strong women into their movies but treat actual women and POC horribly and don't value them as much in the actual work place.
I'm not entirely sure that they actually care deeply about writing in strong female characters; I think it has a lot more to do with capitalizing on current cultural climate for profit, more than anything else. When you look at how little effort or thought seems to go into the writing of these female characters, it seems like they're just doing the bare minimum in order to placate. There's a profound sense of shallowness and laziness their efforts. It's insulting to people's intelligence.
That's because they're completely aware that they are discriminatory, and are attempting to be woke in order to hide their true colors as racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, and sexist scumbags who will never amount to anything.
@@donnydogpiss4533all companies are capitalist conglomerates and will latch on to any current trend to make a buck,I don't know why y'all keep giving only Disney flack for doing what all capitalist conglomerates do?
A corporation isn't a monolith. It has no singular consciousness. The writers probably actually do care, but the people in charge of low-paid Disneyland staff don't, even if they all work for the same umbrella company.
Fun Fact: the original Dumbo was going to be a short, but because Pinocchio failed, Disney needed more money, so they had to stretch it out into a whole film. The pink elephants scene is there because the film needed more screen time.
Enchanted was the peak, pitch-perfect bar of quality for meta-commentary that was self-aware but also endearing and sincere without being cynical. Everything else falls short of Amy Adams shouting "you.....you....you....are not a very nice old man!"
at the end of the original Mary Poppins, the kids choose the love of their father and the simple act of flying a kite over the fantastic magic that Poppins can do. That love is better than any magic. End of Returns? "We're flying about, magic is great, isn't magic the best??"
I kinda like the way Warner Bros post this disclaimer about their past cartoons like Looney Tunes that were filled with racial stereotypes: "The cartoons you are about to see are products of their time. They may depict some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that were commonplace in American society. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. While the following does not represent the Warner Bros. view of today’s society, these cartoons are being presented as they were originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming that these prejudices never existed." It shows about them admitting their company's and people's history instead of white washing that Disney is trying to do right now.
I like how the whole "speechless" Jasmin song is literally done by pausing the movie, making absolute sure her "revelation" has as little impact on the plot as possible. It's absurd
I also didn't like how the song "Speechless" was lyrically and musically completely different from the original Aladdin songs. It felt very out of place to me. It was a pop/rock ballad-style song (that wouldn't sound out of place on a typical radio station), while the original Aladdin songs are Broadway-style songs. There even was a "girl power" sort of song in the stage musical adaptation of Aladdin called "These Palace Walls." It's like why couldn't they use that song in the movie instead as their "girl power" song? It's a more well-written song (IMO), and actually stylistically goes with the original Aladdin songs.
In the original version, I feel like she actually gets a little more agency. Yes, it's gross that she pretends to fall in love with Jafar and kisses him, but she chooses that while Genie is trying to explain the rules to Jafar, not because Jafar is directly threatening her. It's not ideal sure, but it's a more active choice than the weird inconsequential song in the new one.
After recently watching all of Hayao Miyazaki's movies, the hollowness of Disney's female "empowerment" rings even more sharply. The nuance between Disney's "always strong and defiant" protagonist and Miyazaki's "strong and also capable of showing vulnerability at times and receiving help without needing to be saved wholly" protagonists seems especially important here. The scene of Emma Watson in Beauty and the Beast immediately trying to escape after being locked up reminded me of a scene in Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind where she is also locked up except she drops down in despair. She's allowed to be vulnerable as well as strong and courageous which makes her feel so much more human. And it goes for all of Miyazaki's protagonists, his movies are basically a series of characters constantly helping one another, showing that they may be vulnerable when left alone but incredibly strong once they come together. I recognize it might be unfair to compare a marketable cash grab approach to factory movie making with one of the greatest masters of animation but the stark contrast was too much for me to ignore
@Sidharth Rao well technically Cersei is a little bit obsessed about telling people that a woman can be in charge. Then in comes Olenna and just shows who's in charge =D
Nausicaa especially is great because she’s rescued by the OTHER WOMEN, and not in a badass jailbreak, but through a cunning trick and with their compassion and empathy.
Does Disney not realize that Jasmine was already a badass? and not cause she was some woke feminist or something but because she was the first princess to subvert the Disney Princess tropes? Adding that big fEmAlE eMpOwErMeNt song does nothing because she's never once shown in either movie being in danger of being silenced or spoken for (and it's so fucking funny how she gets captured right after).
You want to know what annoys me most about that song? It's all done her her head...TWICE! It was already a pointless song to add in because as you said Jasmine was already awesome and that was never an issue for her, but to sing a song about not sitting silent in your head? That is just a complete waste of time and negates the entire purpose of even doing it to begin with. Animation Jasmine would never.
Same with Mulan. She was already a bad-ass to begin with. Sadly, Disney ruined her in live-action remake. Can't wait to see Hollywood and Disney go bankrupt... We need a new decentralized Hollywood.
ehh I mean Princess Jasmine was also incredibly sexualized for absolutely no reason. I don’t think that you should be calling a pedophilic and orientalist character empowering.
If an act of love is when put some else's needs ahead of yours. Then the King In Maleficent put Arora's safety ahead of his mental health. Looking at the movie
Disney also seems to pander to the LGBT community as well. They always advertise about having a gay character when really it's only either one small mention of said character's romantic partner or a five second kiss in the background of the scene. Both, may I add, can be easily edited out so Disney can make money in countries that are against gay rights.
It's Just Kyle I’m making a story about some lgbt characters existing and vibing and (hopefully when I’m an adult) not caring about who doesn’t wanna watch it coz gay. That probably made zero sense.
Can we stop calling entire countries homophobic and learn to make a disctinction between the citizens and their government driving the media censorship?
It's Just Kyle exactly! one of the worst examples to me is in the star wars sequels. there were so many fans that wanted finn and poe to be a canon couple since they had such great chemistry. instead of listening to their fans and making two main characters gay, they decided to put a three second gay kiss between two random characters in episode 9 in order to be “woke”. i hope they have a well-done lgbtq+ character eventually.
Dumbo's original plot: Being different isn't bad, you can always find something that makes you unique. Dumbo's live action plot: Animal cruelty isn't okay.
It's as if the Germans made a movie set during WW2 and completely overlooked the Holocaust. Actually, it's as if the LEAD CHARACTER was a well-respected Jew.
"Was the entirety of Bollywood busy?" Yes Lindsay, the entirety of Bollywood was busy making their own remakes of old Bollywood songs into the worst auto tuned garbage you have ever heard in your life.
“There is no corporate approved way to make Disney’s history with race representation, or lack thereof, profitable. So they don’t.” Man, can I get this quote on a t-shirt?
“There is no corporate approved way to make Disney’s history with race representation[..]" Except for the obvious one, which is that it is all but certain "Song of the South" would move a Shitton of Units, it it ever got released. Though they are rightfuly afraid of that, cause it would be horrible optics, even if they put a Leonard Maltin "War-Cartoon" style disclaimer infront of it. Then again I'm quite sure Bob Chapek is unscrupulous enough at this point, to just place an Confederate-Flag on Splash Mountain. ^^
Something that bothers me the most about the remakes is how pointless they are. Nobody asked for any of them. Nobody asked for any of this. Worse, now with remakes we have competing narratives and themes in the same IP, often carrying the same name, which only serves to pollute the brand. It's like the different generations of Disney are competing with one another more than Disney is competing with Amazon.
The thing that bothers me the most is that they're taking something fully developed for and dependent upon one medium and trying to translate it into another without making any changes (well, that, and the fact that it's a terrible idea to begin with). I actually liked Aladdin, at least moreso than any of the other remakes. Maybe my expectations were so low that it was a nice surprise, except for the part in One Jump Ahead where they incorporate the weird slow / fast motion effects.
What sickens me more is the fact that it works. If you think disney making a business decision to re-release their most popular movies in a diffrent (worse) format is sickening. That's up to your discretion sure. What bothers me MORE is that people are still buying this garbage. These movies make a TON of money and they shouldn't. I feel bad because the general public supports this uninnovative, soulless, cheap nonsense. Disney has become a shadow of it's former self, sure. But they just follow the money like any buisness. People who buy it are what dictate what succeeds
@@matty6878 a re-release of the source material (such as a blue ray release of the original movie) is all it takes to preserve copyright. You dont need to remake the movie. Also. If anyone is stupid enough to challenge Disney's copyright. I wish them luck.
This is the good kind of Disney criticism. Not "Hur hur gotcha, the magic has plot holes" but "Let's look at the actual issues ingrained in the material and what the material actually MEANS."
I think the biggest problem here is that Disney is essentially raising a whole generation telling them that something is bad... without actually explaining why. And if you don’t explain why, you’re basically condemning the next generation to make the same mistakes.
"Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness....and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -G. Santayana Erasing history maintains comfortable profit margins and compliant consumers though, so... all good? /s
The most obvious example of Disney's lack of acknowledgment of race was how they reacted to racism against John Boyega and Kelly Marie from Star Wars. They didn't. They made Finn a side character and wrote Rose out of the movie because of people's reaction towards those characters and never once defended their actors against racist comments.
Nine months after TROS and I'm still mad about that among many other things wrong with that trainwreck of a trilogy. Five years and over $30 I will never get back.
What should Disney have done to respond to the racism? If they came forward with a press release or something they'd just be criticized for "being all talk."
A much more realistic reply would be "we can't afford to get you an education since I'm goddamn circus performer and have to travel for my job also" but can't criticise class in a Disney film, eh?
Speaking of which... what was the last count of how many women and POC are working at Disney as animators and in lead management roles as directors, executives, producers, etc. on these movies?
What annoys me about modern movies as a young filmmaker myself is the way women are written in general. They either are totally weak and cry all the time, or they are written in a way to be badass, don‘t show any emotions and are naturally gifted. Like,…. we women are humans. We make mistakes and we have to grow too. Why can‘t movies portrait girls in a way where they aren‘t perfect but develope overtime? Like a normal human being?
because when they do they’re often put down as ‘annoying’ or ‘stupid’ because somehow main characters have to be perfect all the time whilst also getting top notch character development
@jocaguz18 it's a real issue there is a wage gap...wages in general are a real issue. People are being exploited, wages are being stolen, worker productivity is at an all time high while corporations pocket all profit.
DejaVoodooDoll Actually it’s not a wage gap, it’s an earnings gap and many factors go into like: -Men work more dangerous jobs -Men are more like to ask for raises -Men work more hours and take less vacation/sick days Etc. Just because you work the same job doesn’t automatically mean you’ll make the same as your colleague
DejaVoodooDoll No no and no... Working dangerous jobs do get you better pay because you’re risking your life and men make up 90% of work related injuries and deaths. Also what country are we talking about where women are being held back by the government from succeeding because of the “Evil Patriarchy”. In the West, there are literally programs (STEM and space) that are catered towards just women and girls. Also what consequences do women face for asking for a raise? The boss saying no? And finally, women being encouraged to be mothers instead of work made sense at the time since infant mortality was higher, most work places were dangerous and women were kept away from that and etc etc
No movie "needs to exist". I'm sorry, I know that comes off as a cop-out excuse but hear me out: Toy Story 4 was a movie that everyone was moaning and freaking out about how "it didn't need to exist". Even I wasn't sold on the idea, when first hearing about it, and was still rather skeptical even with the promise that they weren't just doing it for money and that it made Tom Hanks and Tim Allen cry. Maybe it was essentially greenlit for money despite the creators' good intentions, and maybe the movie gets worse the more thought you apply to it. But for me, when it came out, I was in such a state of despair and stress, that I felt like one that I needed to do to help cure me is take a trip to the movie theatre to see something that gave me a fun time. And that's what Toy Story 4 did. It livened me up for the time being. And sometimes, that's all a movie needs to do, even if the rest of the makers try too hard to "justify" the existence of something that is ultimately perceived as a soulless cash grab. I don't say this to try and come off as some sort of "Disney apologist", I'm just trying to say that if you don't think their content is good anymore, you can always go watch something else, like an Indie film. If you don't like capitalism, maybe it's time to go support socialism.
I'm getting fed up with the notion that every female character needs to be "a good role model for girls" or "empowering to women". It's almost as if sexism is supposed to be solved by having women/girls feel confident and not, y'know, by making radical systemic and cultural changes that enables this sexism in the first place
The former is easy. The latter is hard. People prefer easy solutions too often. And corps especially aren't going to push for major changes; if they push too hard, people might stop spending money!
The worst part is, time and time again the characters they change were already badass. Bell was smart enough to help her dad with his inventions at the beginning of the movie and brave enough to take her fathers place in the original, Nala kicks Simba's ass twice in the original, and Princess Jasmine was brave and kind enough to sneak out of the palace to see her people In the original. Don't add things that were already there. I will never understand why, If they insist on doing it, they don't just make new movies out of the old IPs. Like Aladdin but told from Jasmine's pov, or a continuation of a franchise. I'd watch a Lion King movie about Scar, like they did with Maleficent. Shit, they should even tie that in with their Lion Guard IP.
@@DH_Artist I found the remake particularly bad because that whole "speachless" song that's been added to make her what they think is a stronger female character, is her singing a song about how she won't be silenced... to herself... in her head... where no one else can hear it... yeah. She doesn't sing it out loud to the people who are trying to silence her. You can tell it was just shoved in there as an afterthought (or not with much thought.) It wasn't a good remake.
I actually like the live action Aladdin better than the original, but I don't like the PC plugs like Jasmine's "Speechless" or making her the sultan at the end. Yeah, I'm sure a medieval (or modern) Islamic country would tolerate a female sultan.
"Any time someone draws attention to the fact that they're breaking a gender stereotype, it ultimately undermines the concept of gender equality by indicating that this is an exception and not the status quo." -Knuckles the Echidna
@@BM-ft2hg Apparenlty so O.o The Sonic Boom Tv show has a fair few of them. Though that point is somewhat undermined by his next line which is something along the lines of - "What? Just because I'm a meat-head doesn't mean I can't be a feminist!"
'I've been training my whole life to run this country and be Sultan'. The FIRST THING we see her do is steal bread and not understand why someone would take an issue with it since she stole it for a child. She has NO IDEA about the very basics of her country's economy. She would be a terrible Sultan.
In the original her motive was to just be free from suiters and her lifestyle and be like anybody else. she was the opposite of aladdin. She wanted to have her own choices and what she wanted, not because she was a woman or wanted to be sultan She wanted to be independent for herself but happend to fall in love with aladdin along the way. Its almost like Disney didn't even watch their own movies.
Team Starkid's "Twisted" pulled that off so much better. Without going into spoiler territory, Jasmine does some self-reflecting and realizes her position in society gives her the power to make things better for _everyone_ and not just for herself.
The Mulan remake really was the culmination of egregious woke-posturing. They tried making it more “authentic to the culture” by... including a witch and magic??? Mulan is one of China’s many great stories just like Wukong. It’s been done and adapted hundreds of times by China. Disney tried to market itself to a market that has done a culturally accurate take way better and proceeded to alienate itself from the people who felt connected to Mulan’s plight and enjoyed the singing along the way in the west. Mulan is my favorite Disney movie, and to see it butchered really sucks.
The thing is, the director of the Mulan remake had already made an awesome empowering unexpected-girlboss movie set in a traditional non-white cultural setting. Check out Whale Rider. So good!
Doesn't help they shot several parts of the film at or near concentration camps and the lead actress mocked the people fighting against the HK police. And then turn around and fire James Gunn for some pedophile jokes that were in no way grounds for firing.
I hate the whole “Strong Independent woman” and “Not like other girls” tropes cause it literally is telling girls that being feminine is something bad or is some kind of weakness
That is one of the reasons I loved Alita over Captain Marvel. Alita was strong yes, but also very feminine. Meamwhile captain Marvel basically acts like a toxic male with girl power music playing in the background.
Agreed. And it's always so half-assed too. "Being traditionally feminine is weak and dumb and bad! Be a #girlboss instead! But only if you're skinny and conventionally attractive. Being too unattractive is also dumb and bad." In the end it's all about playing to the center enough that you don't alienate potential customers.
Exactly! It's almost like people have become so afraid of femininity that if a female lead isn't "not like other girls", then suddenly they're a bad role model for women.
Weren’t women often writing a ton too? I remember Hawthorne writing something about women being “scribblers”, which sounds kinda patronizing but still, it seems probably much more complicated than the flat oppression in that remake.
Jasmin's "I won't be silent" song, followed by her being captured is so unintentional self-parody, that the only way you could possibly intentionally parody it would be to have Jafar break into the middle of the song, slap her in the face, and shout, "Bitch, shut up!"
lmao yeah it's literally the worse, unintentional version of Twisted's commentary on the original, which is kinda close to the "bitch shut up" example you provided
Avatar: TLA did it right. It had female heroines and villains that weren't categorized into either extreme tomboy badass girl or dainty feminine weak girl. Ty Lee is an excellent example. She's very feminine and has a joyful and almost naive personality, but is one of the most powerful fighters in the show because she can immobilize the body which disables a bender from, well, bending and a non-bender from moving.
The thing I like most about Ty Lee is that she isn’t actually naive at all, but she puts on an air to make herself less of a threat to people like Azula. She has a whole other level to her vapid carefree attitude!
I really like Toph because of this. She’s the greatest earth bender in the world, she comes off as a tomboy, etc, but in one episode Katara and her go to the spa and get their makeup, hair; and nails done. Toph never objects and isn’t like “ew! Girly stuff!” She actually ENJOYS being and feeling feminine and doesn’t think of it as something weak! Even though she’s clearly more on the masculine side, she’s proof that girls don’t have to choose one or the other. It’s okay to like sports, wrestle, and do masculine things AND like doing feminine things like going to the spa and getting your makeup done!
@@Trollestiatumblur Exactly! She doesn't go around spouting that is it girly like idiotic woke films. What's wrong with being girly? She is a girl and she loves being pampered (except for that foot scrubbing scene lol)
It is not a problem it is a feature. These products are meant to be discarded and not treasured. Otherwise you get to attached and set your standarts high and they can't make easy money.
@@lucidnonsense942 In 50 years they will be able to watch every single individual. Not just get the data and comments from every individual archive, but have a program actively observing every single one of us.
In the not to distant future: Welcome to Disneyland, please present your passport as you disembark your international flight from New York. Feel free to stop by Bob Iger's presidential office.
Take Mulan as an example... The best part is that in original Mulan, she had flaws when training but she was able to overcome them with perceverance and commitment. But on the Mulan Remake, she was a robotic impossibly perfect human being that were better than everyone else from the start and easily overcoming any flaws of obstacles that she had. That's not a figure that little girls can mirror themselves in, it just feels like an impossible character that we can't inspire ourselves because they are already perfect. Now take spiderman as an example, probably the most famous superhero, he has many flaws, struggles with his low paying job, it's still trying to figure out life and who he is, and has his own problems that he fights to overcome, with many hardships but he eventually does it, that's a character that little boys AND girls can mirror themselves in, he becomes stronger learning from his mistakes, he's not an ultra perfect princess that nails everything from the beggining to show how GIRLS (and that's important, because little boys also liked watching Mulan back then) and only girls are stronger than anyone else. Disney movies before could be watched by anyone and still be enjoyed, but nowadays is like having a lecture from an angry parent.
What makes the new "Mulan" even worse is that the young female character that IS somewhat relatable (since she doesn't have magical superpowers) is her little sister... who ends up becoming the good, traditional wife. So, the movie essentially tells people: "As a woman, you can be anything you want! If you have magic, that is. Otherwise, you better stay at home, get married and be a housewife. Because that's the role of regular women, and they should be happy that they can do that!" I actually don't object to the fact that a female-empowerment-movie also has the message that being a mother and housewife can be fullfilling and something some women might want. So, the bad thing isn't, that Mulan's sister is happy with that role in her life. The problem is, that in combination with how they show Mulan herself, her sister becomes the only other young female character who is looking for her place in that society. And if you show Mulan as being an equal to men ONLY BECAUSE she has these magical superpowers, and show the "regular" girl being happy with her traditional role, the message of the movie gets significantly worse.
This is the result of a false state of utopia common in today's social sphere. The issues of the past have been corrected and now everyone lives in a more progressive future. Racism? Equality. Misogony? Empowerment. Oppressed? Rights. Everything once bad has been corrected, so, there's no need to even think about it! Bad practises, bad traditions, bad people no longer exist! We don't even have to "feel" bad, and if anything makes anyone feel bad, then get rid of it! The world is more perfect than ever before so why would anyone need to struggle anymore, right? Our world is perfect and we are perfect! There's no longer a need for a hero with human faults to show us how to conquer personal hardships or struggles. Get with the perfect times people..
The worst they could possibly get is with Mulan 2020, where they practically used cultural accuracy and wokeism to shield themselves from criticism, while failing to provide any actual cultural respect or representation. And it resulted in a shit movie.
And it was wasn't even culturally accurate. It was worse than the original 😂 The youtuber Xiran Jay Zhao just created a RUclips channel to roast the remake and it's inaccuries(I highly recommend it)
I just had a dumb idea that the Little Mermaid remake is going to attempt some kind of environmental message. Like while she's on land Ariel will realise that her entire collection of human artefacts is actually rubbish thrown into the sea and other waste is polluting the ocean, and Ursula is the one influencing humans to pollute the seas to somehow weaken Triton making him easier to overthrow. So Ariel has to mobilise the sea's wildlife to lead an army against our new Captain Planet villain while Eric attacks from the surface (assuming he's even involved in the climax). Then when Ariel and Eric are married and Eric becomes king they'll make a speech about how pollution is bad and they're going to clean up the oceans and maybe stop overfishing.
My gods, you reminded me of a book about "Girl Power" retelling of fairytales and The Little Mermaid is just like what you described except she also married her female best friend by the end. I got nothing against LGBTQ but that is obviously agenda over storytelling.
I found it at the Book Bin years ago. It's dense, but you learn a heck of a lot about how filmmaking works from the business side-and about the Disney family's relationship to the company, really.
I definitely put Alice in Wonderland and Maleficent on a different level than the other remakes because they actually tried to be different and tell their own story, regardless of how successful they were. The Jungle Book is the only straight-remake that I enjoyed because of its ending, which fixed the "stick with your own kind" message of the original (plus it actually had a cohesive plot that has set up and pay off)
Baron Von Jo both Maleficent and Sleeping Beauty are very different movies but they’re both good in their own ways. I’d very much recommend Sleeping Beauty if you want something that’s simply emotional, beautiful and powerful. It’s very reliant on classic archetypes, but it knows it is and does those archetypes well. With a deliciously unapologetic villain as well.
Yeah, but Disney is not trying to be woke per se. They just realize that specific types of wokeness will increase their profits, that's it. What do taoists say about trying to achieve something for the wrong reasons?
To a company like Disney, "Wokeness", "Bigotry", "Feminism" and "Mysogyny" all have one thing in common: If you can properly tap into all of them, all of them yield money.
Absolutely. I think "Lilo & Stitch" has some of the best "strong female" characters and no one is wielding a weapon and despite prominently featuring non-white characters it doesn't make some cynical plea to appeal to progressivism. In other words, they were fully fleshed out characters and not a coat rack to hang mock liberalism from in order to sell tickets.
@@trucutru3 In Taoism, giving reasons to your actions (good or bad) is like giving names to everything you see. Here's chapter 29 of the Tao Te Ching: Trying to control the world? I see you won't succeed. The world is a spiritual vessel And cannot be controlled. Those who control, fail. Those who grasp, lose. Some go forth, some are led, Some weep, some blow flutes, Some become strong, some superfluous, Some oppress, some are destroyed. Therefore the Sage Casts off extremes, Casts off excess, Casts off Extravagance.
i felt like the whole 'having animals in your circus is bad' was a sudden swerve away from the dangerous theme of 'having big company own all creative properties is bad' just to make sure no one got too many ideas
They made a horrible movie but people still watched it because 1. Disney 2. Will Smith 2. Will Smith 3. Did I mention Will Smith 4. The genie played by Will Smith
Whats worse about lion king is that is so sub par compared to the original. The characters and so emotionless and have no life and color like the original. Stylization is always going to look better than realism most of the time.
@arthur churro: The sad and greedy thing is that Disney already made a super successful remake with the Broadway version that was just as vibrant and creative as the animated film so this remake was doubly needless. Disney you're rich, you've won, stop trying to remake everything!
Okay but Shrek is scathing and cynical, Enchanted is a loving self-parody. The best parody tends to come from a place of affection rather than scorn, cause true fans of the original work understand it better and so make deeper rather than surface level parodies. Shrek: bits of Disney are stupid like isn’t it’s a small world annoying Enchanted: how would the real world intersect with a Disney princess and how would this alter her personality and she alter the other characters
Guy2010 no it isn’t. It mocks some of the tropes of classic Disney films but ends up affirming all of them. True loves kiss is real, happy endings DO come true, the best way to behave is the wonderful positivity of Giselle, even if it needs tempering slightly in the real world. It’s packed to the gills with loving homages to all of Disney; every extra is a reference to a Disney film in some way, the lady with lots of kids Edward meets heading up the stars is played by Pocahontas’ actress, the couple in divorce litigation are named after the Banks family from Mary Poppins, the bus driver has her hair styled as Mickey ears and so on. Disney and its tropes are examined by Enchanted and then affirmed by the narrative. It is the least mean spirited film I have ever seen and that’s why it is my favourite film.
“Disney are you ever going to tackle your incredibly troubling relationships with supporting monarchy, colonialism, racism, and the idea that some people are just born superior to other people?” Disney: ... uh... hey, HEY, Y’ALL SEEN BELLE CLIMB OUT A WINDOW
I think there are those who no matter what will always think the empowered female character is “woke”. I can only imagine what previous female characters from the last 30 years would have been perceived by today’s critique.
@@PittsburghSonido I don't think that's true. It's all about how the characters are delivered. Fans love modern strong heroines like Wonder Woman, Scarlet Witch, Katniss Everdeen, etc. because they're organically written and don't exist simply to push a political message. Most of the heavily critiqued "strong female" characters, like Rey or Captain Marvel, are marketed as such, with the actors and studios bringing their gender up constantly and using it as a defense against critics, e.g. "You just hate strong women." That's what most disgruntled fans are reacting to.
I remember when Disney made timeless masterpieces instead of telling everyone "This movie is corny and lame but whatever. We'll roll our eyes at it too so we can *pretend* we give a shit instead of actually having to give a shit. How do you do, fellow critically-minded humans?"
IMO plenty of the “dark ages” Disney films are perfectly fine... like I get that The Rescuers and Fox and the Hound and Winnie the Poo weren’t all that ambitious compared to what came later, but they’re still cherished quite a bit by some of us.
Hot take : The Emperor's New Groove is Disney's most progressive movie (in terms of gender) because it shows female slapstick is as funny as male slapstick. EDIT: In hindsight I'm glad it was a financial disaster and a major headache for Disney. The chances of it getting a "woke" remake are pretty low as a result.
Good point. Comedy writers aren’t afraid to go ham when putting men in wacky slapstick situations but I guess women are considered too fragile to be subjected to it? It was a weird imbalance that I’ve always noticed but never hear anyone talk about.
It was a financial disaster because its budget included scrapped Kingdom of the Sun footage. But it did well enough on tv to warrant a sequel and series.
The Little Mermaid Woke™️ is gonna be about Ariel throwing her dinglehoppers at Eric’s boat and becoming human in order to initiate a campaign against ocean garbage in the 15th century
“It would double the banks profits” “yes by wringing it out of the customers profits” YEAH BANKS DO THAT LITERALLY ALL THE TIME??? Why did he say that like it’s outrageous?
clearly Mary Poppins Returns is a scathing portrayal of the postwar deregulation of the banks and their transition from staid conservative entities with supposed paternalistic elements to one entirely based on rapid capital accumulation in a neoliberal marketplace. In this essay, I shall-
@Cat J There's a difference between being paid for services provided and "wringing [the money] out of the customers' pockets". The latter implies predatory business practices, which are unethical and harm the business' relationship with its customers. That sort of practice should never be regarded as normal or acceptable, even if it is widespread.
@waylon lewin Splinter comprehends a dry strategy inside the it's palace. Rainbow Dash degenerates into every cultural guidance outside a noticeable virgin. Rainbow Dash crowns Splinter. The advisory hum quits Rainbow Dash within a virgin separator. Splinter hosts the algorithm?
I think that the 90s Jasmine was better because while she was more empowering than the traditional Disney Princess, they weren’t afraid to make her sensitive, instead of the “Power Ballad” girl boss. (Edited because grammar)
Jasmine was a boss before girl bossing was a thing and favourite for a long ass while. She was deeply cynical of the marriage process. Capable particularly physically and saw through Aladdin half way through the film. The final quarter of that film drives me nuts though. They Leia slave outfit her and shove her in a bloody egg timer so Aladdin can look like a hero. Both of them do so much better by pure wit. Her with the kiss fake out. Him with the genie wish. Just wish it had skipped 10 minutes.
All of the Disney princesses ( yes even the " Damsels in distress " ) are for more interesting than any of the " Strong " female leads of today honestly
ECKohns you make a good point. It’s like when someone says, ( I don’t even see colour) you know that’s a lie. So just admit it, we do see each other differently.
The thing is disney really doesn't give a shit about gay representation. Think about it, what other major marginalized demographic had not gotten a disney pic in their reawokening? The reason why is that if they would ever make an LGBT movie it would be banned in China (no ghosts no gays policy). If that's not proof they never cared I don't know what is. Also yes I'm paraphrasing YMS choke me.
You know,the funny thing is,realistically speaking Dumbo and his mom wouldn't be released into the wild! It's proven animals coming from circuses cannot return into the wild,they would die cause they don't know how to act in their natural environment. They would've end up in either a zoo or sanctuary (some zoos are both) Still unrealistic in the 1910's I guess? But that's what would happen lol Small edit: I do like Speechless as a song. It is a good song that in my opinion it isn't just about "girl power",tons of people get silenced and don't want to be,it is a decent song and I like it. The message is a bit unnecessary in that context cause Jasmine was already a good female character but eh good song
Here's an idea, Disney - if something from the past is going to be a problem if you include it in a remake, how about... you DON'T REMAKE IT? How about you MAKE SOMETHING COMPLETELY NEW AND ORIGINAL INSTEAD? Y'know, with creativity and stuff?
Exactly cause we can't ignore that media is a product of its time. Warner even admits to being racist before. For Warner to admit things better than family friendly Disney you know something is bad
Shenzi's girl bossification is somewhat understandable. She is a female hyena, and female hyenas are the ones leading the pack. Not sure if we should have girls coming to idolize Scar's henchanimals, though.
I like the idea of making Shenzi the hyenas’ leader, but they could have done that while still making her a fun, comedic villain like she was in the animated film.
I still love how the speechless song is about her standing up and fighting against oppression, but the entire song is in a dream sequence, and has no actual presence in the reality of the film.
Long story short, yeah they'd be dead within a few months, they would not be accepted into any native herds and have no skills to survive in the wild. Worst of all, thanks to the Human protagonists being so GOOD to Dumbo, he thinks all humans are friends now! And thus even if he did survive to adulthood he'd be easy pickings for the numerous big game hunters around during that time. Plot should've just put them in captivity somewhere nice, but then they couldn't appeal to PETA.
@Goliath Online Galagya's right, also the fact that lion social dynamics would allow an unknown roaming male to facilitate himself into a group likely helped that release effort greatly, if the lionesses accepted him they would aid his survival by hunting for the group and also encouraging his own hunting instincts to click in. Also there's the possibility that the Male lion was born in the wild which would also help, do you have any info on that? Alongside all the difficulties I previously mentioned, Elephant social dynamics are far more complex than those of Lions, Elephant herds will only accept females who they grew up with and/or are related to into their group and many herds rely on knowledge passed down from previous generations in order to survive, as captive-born elephants are cut off from this support structure it make them much more difficult to acclimate to a fully wild environment.
@@jht3fougifh393 True, modern conservation efforts which would discourage human contact, help develop some hunting skills and monitor the Lion once released to ensure he's doing OK likely helped greatly. As opposed to a movie's "Let's just chuck two human-acclimatized Elephants who've grown up in a completely different environment and climate into wild 1910's India and hope for the best."
@@mysteriiis Meh, you know dude, the thing with Disney nowadays, is that they want to keep being "relevant" by "giving the people (cof cof snowflakes cof) what they want". They don't act like a serious company except when they're buying someone else studio or whatever. They lost the real reasons of making movies: ENTERTAINMENT and A GOOD STORY TO BE TOLD. This two come together. If they don't have one, automaticaly, (sorry, I'm mexican, I'm not very good at english) they have no one.
@@lolypop2946 the reason a mainstream company makes movies in a capitalist system is to make money. Giving people -- be they "snowflakes" or otherwise -- what they will pay money for is the only goal. Saying that a company "only wants to give people what they want" is exactly right because that's a company's purpose. It has never been different, it's just that the better quality works from the past are the ones that get remembered.
@@veryboredpug I put "snowflakes" instead of people 'cause, as we can see here and... literally everywhere (at least, that's my case) REAL people want a good story besides how great they make the woman, how inclusive or how transgresive is the context. Believe me , I know that what you are saying is right, I know how capitalism works. But, when you forget what make you great in first place (Disney movies-Quality-good scripts-fantasy and good stories) then, what can you expect? Persons aren't always right about what they want. That's why directors, film-makers and animator study for. To know HOW give the people a new vision and a new thing to tell. In the cinematic industry, you're always on risk, cause people could like your product or not, but I think it's better take the risk with a project made with passion, than just embrace the people statements and work by them. The greatest films didn't listen to people, people listen to the greates films. That's it.
Each time I see the "teaching a girl to read" moment in 2017 Beauty and the Beast, a small piece of me dies inside. I think I could write better dialogue when I was 12.
I think a lot of people missed the point of the video. This comment sections is so odd... From what I got from the video is saying that Disney is more than willing to add "strong" female "empowering" characters while mocking the traditional movies for having "stereotypical" or female characters who are "weak." Or something of that sort. But when it comes to racist characters or tropes in past movies they completely cut them out once they remake it. They do not try to acknowledge it. They do not try to improve upon it. They just pretend it doesn't exist and people were never racist. Disney doesn't actually care about supporting females or fixing their offensive history. They only try to appeal to the masses and bring in more views to sell more products. I hope that makes sense anyways. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Reminds me of both the Looney Tunes compilations where WB added a disclaimer acknowledging how these portrayals are no longer in line with cultural norms but censoring them out would be just as bad, as well as how Hangar 13 handled racism in Mafia III by portraying it as it is within the context of the game's story and time period. I'm all for progressivism and equality for everyone, but presentism and their "woke" policy isn't going to make Disney as a corporation any better, it just brings up their excesses even more.
Did they leave out the part where Dumbo and his mother starve to death because they don't know how to live in a jungle?
Well they can't do that because that would admit there was something wrong with this woke message. And heaven forbid any movement, progressive as it might be, could find missteps because of inadequacies of the human condition regardless of gender, sexuality or race.
True story. Read what happened when they actually decided to “free Willy”
@@katesteventon5296 i know😢
@@katesteventon5296 So tragically ironic. But at least, Willy tasted true freedom before he died.
Of course they didn't show, because the movie was over.
"It feels like commentary, but it's commentary that doesn't _say_ anything."
That has to be the most concise summary of the whole live-action remake ordeal.
Your goddamn right.
That’s not their fault. YOU try inserting commentary into something which was never designed to have commentary. It can be unsurprisingly difficult.
@@Shadowkey392 If "say something" is too hard, they could very well go with the other option lumi7890 offered.
Girl boss paint is, for the majority of a general audience, palatable and inoffensive. Legitimate critique of systemic sexism, racism, etc. is threatening, disorienting, and possibly alienating. Big corporate entities like Disney have little incentive to tell stories that seek to undermine existing power structures. Interesting commentary is inherently going to be more divisive.
@@TheSongwritingCat Is "girl boss paint" any different from "princess paint"? I agree with what you're saying to an extent. But we know the "princess paint" worked at reinforcing those gender stereotypes and images of patriarchal ideas of "femininity". These are broad strokes not nuanced detail. If we want that has Disney ever been the place to go? So the question is does shifting to "girl boss paint" ultimately help in where we want to go in addressing these systemic issues?
I often wonder whether we get dragged into the "girl boss" is bad. Because that's what that Patriarchal mindset wants us to. While ironically calling for some nuanced complex character that communicates feminist ideas. But if Disney is propaganda (historically and now) then this is what you get. Simple, clear and two dimensional characters that appeal to children. "Girl boss" isn't bad.
I do fear how Ellis is using the term woke. And while maybe in honest faith it's a voice among many who aren't. Who have a very "unwoke" agenda. That's not to say she shouldn't critique or analyse these films, but it's a good idea to be very careful how you frame/structure it.
A quote from Warner Brothers:
"The cartoons you are about to see are products of their time. They may depict some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that were commonplace in American society. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. While the following does not represent Warner Bros. view of today's society, these cartoons are being presented as they were originally created, *because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."*
Ironically, this was used for the DVD of a Speedy compilation. Speedy was thought to have been racist towards Mexicans, but they actually loved the mouse. However, the DVD contained the message anyways.
@@kaelisprime9087 i honestly do not see the irony in that
Honestly, this is fantastic.
@@joshmbrown42
How is it racist? Because they wanted to make a Mexican cartoon character that the Hispanics in the USA would like? Honestly, I'll never understand why people thought he was a racist character.
@@Zathren more a stereotype than race thing
Releasing an animal that was raised entirely in captivity into the wild without proper rehabilitation program is actually a very stupid and cruel move, since that animal has no clue about where to look for food, what to avoid, in case of elephants, a highly social species, it has no idea how to communicate or behave with its entirely wild counterparts etc. A REAL smart move would be to put Dumbo and his mom in a sanctuary (or a zoo as a last resort), like it's done with retired circus animals nowdays.
I don't know if its still around, but there used to be a place like this for apes and the like here in the UK. It was a park that would rescue monkeys etc taken as pets, ones wounded, ones freed from testing facilities/poachers, and bring them into an environment where their ultimate goal was rehabilitation. Get them socialised with other members of the species, get them their medical care, get them back out. Of course, some where never released for a variety of different reasons, but the organisation was genuinely ethical and alleviated a lot of suffering *whilst* still serving as entertainment and education for the public
Wildlife conservationist here that has had experience with captive animals (even if my current job is actually me reading sound data for whales in the Ocean, but that’s another story)...
You are correct.
And it should also be noted that the message that “no Wild animal belongs in captivity” is a bad message too. There are dozens, maybe hundreds, of notable endangered animals that have been saved from extinction due to captive breeding programs.
There are some select few animals I think don’t belong in captivity, namely great apes (due to their social nature and intelligence, but I can let that slide since great apes are doing terribly in the wild) and cetaceans (with exceptions like Bottlenose dolphins), but my point still stands.
@@andrewheaney4874 My level of expertise only comes with watching a bunch of panda videos, but I'm glad that you brought up that statement too. Simply because the animal is wild doesn't mean you shouldn't call for a professional to help, or ask the professional to release it even if the animal is still undergoing problems. There's a whole reason why they're called professionals in animal care or zoology.
I'd also like to add the story of a couple who took a chimpanzee in and raised it like a human. If I could remember, that chimpanzee was eventually dropped to a rehab when she started being too aggressive for the household, and that chimp, once thrown in with a bunch of other horny monkeys, was terrified, distressed and confused by this sudden arrangement and has developed depression and existential crisis, because now she's forced to act like something she never thought she was. Thankfully she eventually coped with it, but literally just after two years, she died. They speculated that it was either poaching or homicide from another chimp, and it's honestly not far to imagine because chimpanzees are very aggressive, even to each other, and even if she's been socialising for two years, she was so inexperienced to save her own life that she really couldn't. And even if it was indeed a poacher, she was most likely shot because she's never encountered this problem.
@@carlbradley3175 Yes, I know what you're talking about. I think the discovery channel has a mini series about that ape sanctuary.
When WB rereleased some older Looney Tunes on DVD, they included a disclaimer that acknowledged that these cartoons were extremely racist, but they left them unaltered because "censoring them would be the same as pretending that bigotry isn't real."
That's some real self-awareness, right there.
I honestly respect that more than Disney going, "look at this classic trope -- isn't it stupid?" in a post-Shrek world.
That reminds me when people form the US tried to "cancel" speedy Gonzales, because it was offensive to Mexicans...ugh! I really hate this outrage culture!
Jonathan Sweet I respect that
Disney has released some of their older stuff on DVD with just that sort of commentary.
@@Kyorisu It's not about how funny they are. They have straight-up blackface
Seeing as Studio Ghibli is often compared to Disney, I think it's safe to say that Miyazaki actually knows how to make empowered female heroines without constantly reminding us of how empowered she is. They just are, it's part of their characterization, nuff said.
In Princess Mononoke- the movie with the most badass and varied women- none of the women ever had to announce what strong independent women they were. If you are a strong independent women, you should never have to say it.
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Basically, Studio Ghibli heroines "show" what modern-day Disney heroines "tell"
@@SilverFireworks If you claiming you're the king, you're not the king.
And what's better is, Ghibli's female characters were still human. They had fears and emotions and motivation! they don't just walk around like emotionless planks of wood, acting like "this is me a strong woman, look how strong I am".
The thing I always complain about in these "woke" movies is the fact that continuously TELL us a female character is strong and empowering.
She's a strong character? Fine! Stop TELLING us that she's a strong character and SHOW US! That's the whole point of a movie. SHOW US, don't TELL US.
The fact that they keep TELLING that message reveals that they don't actually believe it. A truly empowering movie would start with the unsaid assumption that strong female characters commonly exist, and never waste a second trying to prove it. This is why we get so many boring female characters, whose only role it to be an "inspiration to all the girls out there". How about some interesting characters of all genders with meaningful human flaws?
Just imagine the case where you keep telling your daughter "you are NOT less capable than any of the boys!" Probably it didn't even cross her mind in the first place, but now you put that idea in her head. It's like when out of the blue someone tells you that you are most definitely NOT in danger. Now you are suddenly afraid. Similarly, the term "girl power" immediately reveals that it is not actual power, otherwise it would be just called "power".
Tbh the thing that also kinda bugs me - these "strong female leads" are always fighting. Always behaving like bad bitches or something. Some are rude for no reason just for sake of being "strong". They're always trying to say that "strong females" are the ones who behave stereotypically manly, when they're not. You can wear nice dresses, sing and dance, being someone's wife or mother and still be a strong character, what's wrong with it? You can even be weak physically and still be a strong character? You can be shy and quiet or overall behave stereotypically feminine and still be a strong character?
Show don't tell seems to be a lost lesson
@@anna84259 It's like being a strong female character requires conflict, anti social behaviour and generally being a cunt.
This link; www.wagerbop.com/whats-different-between-weight-classes-ufc/ shows some stats about UFC and the difference between weight classes. Watching a movie with some 5'2" chick carving through 20 6'2"goons each with a good 30-40 pounds on her? Ok, that's fine coz Jet Li or Donny Yen could do it without anyone rolling their eyes but that's because they aren't in high heels and skin tight leather pants.
Making more believable characters is not really going to meet with the approval of the feminist agenda though I imagine. #vaginapower!
Am I the only one who thinks that acting like being a "strong independent woman" and being "rescued by a prince" are two mutually exclusive things is harmful? I swear that now society is doing to the girls what they used to do to the boys. Nowadays everyone acknowledgdes how harmful and stupid it was to teach boys that showing emotions and any sign of weakness is bad and on the other hand we want to teach little girls that depending on someone they trust and love in hard situations is wrong?
Hayao Miyazaki: “Many of my movies have strong female leads- brave, self-sufficient girls that don't think twice about fighting for what they believe with all their heart. They'll need a friend, or a supporter, but never a savior. Any woman is just as capable of being a hero as any man.”
Based also source ?
@@ujjwalmishra8962 It's a pretty well known quote, in response to Spirited Away, I believe. You can literally look up just part of the quote on Google and it'll pop up.
Miyazaki movies do be hitting different
Miyazaki always b poppin’ off, he’s an icon, and he is the moment
@@benedictdwyer2608 Now come on now
That’s the thing about the new Aladdin, jasmine has to tell you she’s strong and empowered, and in the original she just was strong and empowered
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 She never sold her body to anyone, you twit. She used what she had to get what she wanted... aka she was resourceful. Are you going to try saying being resourceful is a weak trait? By demeaning women's sexuality and however they choose to use it, you demean women. Sexuality isn't the only thing a woman can use but part of being strong and intelligent is knowing what tricks are in your arsenal and when and how to use them to your advantage. The old Jasmine didn't have a guard she could rouse into disobedience to Jafar like the new one did. Unlike the new Jasmine, she tried to use herself to fight the battle instead of calling on a guard (with a speech about loyalty, etc.) to do it for her. So, with this in mind, which one is the superior Jasmine? Which one is more brave? Which one is more proactive? Which one is more resourceful? Which one is stronger? Which is more admirable? The one who says something to try to get others to do something for them or the one who does that something themselves?
Haylla2008 if anything, JAFAR was the one trying to sell his body and then gain power by betrayal. Sure the guy looked like the slimiest of slimes, but that was indeed why he had that snake staff, to get around that.
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 Sure if, by agreeing with you and my feelings being affected in the slightest, you mean the exact opposite. But believe whatever makes you sleep better at night. I've surmised that's what people who don't know how to make a coherent argument usually decide to do in cases such as these.
One line in the original where Jasmine says "I am not a prize to be won" says a lot more than anything they were going for her character in the remake. Yes, even her song too.
Naomi Scott is an OK actress, but I hated what they did with Jasmine's character in the remake.
1) In the original, she wanted to marry out of love and not because of the law. This brought about a side we can sympathize with, while giving the story romance. In the remake, they gave her Jafar's role. She wants to be Sultan because she thinks she can do a better job than the current Sultan.
2) Her song. Jasmine is throwing aside guards, ripping down tapestries, all while saying how she won't be silenced. What does she do the next moment? Basically roll over and beg. This basically crushes the whole "feminine empowerment" flat. How cool would it have been if she had snatched one of the guards' sword and fought her way back to the throne room?
21:08 All I could think of was that scene from Up where Carl's house falls from the blimp and he says "You know, it's just a house." Like, remember when Disney movies had messages about possessions NOT being the most important things in your life?
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Or like my parents and I
First you and Sarah Z, now you're here? Since when were you BreadTube-adjacent?
Seeing your comment here is a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one at that!
THAT WAS DISNEY'S MISTAKE
Disney doesn't need to replace its 'bad' movies with 'good' versions of those movies. It just needs to start making good movies.
Why invest millions of dollars into a brand new property that has no guarantee of succeeding when you can invest that same millions of dollars into a subpar remake/sequel that will at the very least get nostalgia money?
@@GoddoDoggo business-wise, of course it makes perfect sense to do what they're doing! they're a company, and i don't blame them for making money in a safe way. my little optimistic heart would just like to see more original content in the classic disney style.
Disney doesn't need to bother trying to make good movies anymore. "Artemis Fowl" for example had a great book yet Disney ruined the story because they knew they could w/out any reprecussions
@@Andre_APM like i said, business wise it makes sense for them to put minimal effort in. i just wish they'd try to make good movies because of their integrity! that's all!
Eleanor Waldock same here , I miss the classics
Mulan was empowering, she’s a smart, out of the box thinker who worked hard and saved China. It was the perfect movie that didn’t need a remake.
And the best part is that in original Mulan, she had flaws when training but she was able to overcome them with perceverance. But on the Mulan Remake, she was a robotic impossibly perfect human being that were better than everyone else from the start and easily overcoming any flaws of obstacles that she had. That's not a figure that little girls can mirror themselves in, it just feels like an impossible character that we can't inspire ourselves because they are already perfect. Now take spiderman as an example, probably the most famous superhero, he has flaws, struggles with his low paying job, and has his own problems that he manages to overcome, with hardships but he does it, that's a character that little boys AND girls can mirror themselves in, he becomes stronger learning from his mistakes, he's not an ultra perfect princess that nails everything from the beggining to show how GIRLS (and that's important, because little boys also liked watchin Mulan back then) and only girls are stronger than anyone else. Disney movies before could be watched by anyone and still be enjoyed, but nowadays is like having a lecture from an angry parent.
@@luvmypolly new Mulan is a Mary Sue and therefore an unattainable standard. Old Mulan is a mess and I strongly identify with that.
I loathe the Remake and the people who say that the OG was sexist.
Especially calling the amazing "I will make a men out of you" training sequence sexist and bad and cutting I out the original. :(
@@skylarjohnson7779 I completely agree.
@@Isabelle-hv6ny "Especially calling the amazing "I will make a men out of you" training sequence sexist and bad and cutting I out the original. :("
That scene is amazing PRECISELY because it's meant to be sexist (at least, that's how I see it; bear with me). The song basically says that you need to man up in order to be a soldier. And guess what? Mulan does not, and yet she vanquishes all her obstacles, by using her mind, heart and will, instead of mindless muscle.
It's almost as if, I don't know, the remake writers took that "man up" at face value, instead of delving even an inch into its meaning. Yeah, the remake is garbage.
"There is no war in Ba Sing Se"
Disney on racism.
Paul Cory yup
@@melize7035 we have always been at war with eurasia
Who cares about what some perceive as racism? Yeah that movie had some black crows. That's racist somehow?
@@Gyvulys Ooooof
@@Gyvulys It´s been a while since I´ve seen it, so tell me if I´m misremembering, bit weren´t the crows super helpful and didn´t portray any negative stereotypes?
The Little Mermaid remake is going to have at least some mentions of the trash in the ocean and you can't change my mind.
It's probably going to be about global warming too let's be real here
This is funny because it can be true,scary
If Aquaman squeezed it in you can bet Disney will too!!
Holy shit, Ariel is getting legs not for a man but to spread the word about "Contamination bad" isn't it?
Honestly on paper I don't have a problem with that since there is a lot of trash dumped into the ocean.. but this story takes place way before the 21st century and they're probably gonna mention it once and never again.
Don't forget that Jasmine's power ballad about being "speechless" is LITERALLY SUNG IN HER IMAGINATION
Yeah man. Also even her clothes are like a peacocks. Idk what year this was made in but I have this Aurora and Jasmine CD. Jasmine sings this song called more than a peacock 🦚 princess. Soooooo
Damn :(
@@dajoler that and even if racism was addressed in the movie, i wouldn't think it would exactly affect Jasmine given she's a south asian princess set to take command over a south asian kingdom, her only barrier is her gender and even then it doesn't matter much because she just becomes sultan anyway even though that would literally never happen in India in the time period but whatever I guess. Her only true barrier was her dad not approving, she and every other teenager with a parental figure.
@@CommanderKatelyn That reminds me of the other thing that bugs me. Like it was pretty clear that the original movie was set in some Arab country, but now it's Indian for some unexplained reason? Like was it that hard to cast Arab actors, or I don't know, make it LOOK Arab? Theres this huge race problem with brown people being clumped up into one group that's all the same and nobody ever mentions it.
Never watched the movie because I swore to myself I would not touch the Live Action versions but it gave me a Siyeon cover so I don't mind it that much
I’ve come to notice that the problem “woke” people have with old movies is that they teach the “wrong” lesson. Like Cinderella, people don’t like that she doesn’t save herself, but the point of the movie isn’t about how to leave home and hopefully find some sort of job. It’s about staying strong and kind in a bad situation
Not to mention Cinderella is a story about Abuse, it shouldn't be her job to save herself and such.
@@asimhussain8716 No, what I'm saying it shouldn't be there JOB to do it on there own, they shouldn't HAVE to do it on there own
Agreed 100%
Even the _Cinderella_ live-action remake wouldn't be made today with a moral like that. Our institutions have literally come to believe that kindness and humility are insufficient and even condescending traits to uphold today. In the wake of George Floyd's murder, the national college-prep school network KIPP actually voted to remove their slogan "Be kind, work hard", for this very reason.
yes exactly she's a victim of abuse but she manages ,stays strong, settles for everything she's given and make the best out of those circumstances. the one thing i didn't like in the remake is her meeting the prince. it made it look like she only went there to meet the prince when in the animation she had no idea who the prince was etc and just wanted to go there for a little glimpse of freedom, a change of air. when people say she was dependant on the prince, it kind of frustrates because in reality her step family was dependant on her and the prince was only an enabler/plot device to make her situation better. also she's not supposed to save herself the point being that she's a victim of abuse.
A friend of mine: "Jasmin's new song sounds like a Belarusian song on Eurovision that wins 3 points total in the finals."
Bible Illustrated that’s it! That’s EXACTLY how it sounds!! 😂
Oof ain’t that the truth
I love an oddly specific and cruel insult!
That... really is spot on.
Yep, totally. It doesn't gel at all with the rest of the songs.
There is no racism in ba sing se
But they do have a very oppressive class system ;)
Too bad the rest of us live in na sing se
Oop my notifications are weird so I just saw these now but
💖💖💖💖💖 y'all rock
I understood that reference and it made my day
@@joshuasavage1128 There is no oppressiveness in ba sing se... There is no oppressiveness in ba sing se... There is no oppressiveness in ba sing se
if they want to successfully sweep their "problematic past" under the rug they should stop making these remakes in the first place. Just make new stories, better ones, with the messages that they now want to stand for
That would require taking risks and being creative, neither of which Disney is too keen on.
@@Neonach That's a problem in Hollywood in general. Disney certainly but then you have all the 80s franchise sequels (terminator, rambo, top gun). The Marvel and DC movies. Remakes of movies that aren't even that old (Grudge). The list goes on and on
Well, I don't see problems with their past.
@@Gyvulys For the time it’s was impossible to not to have problems as they had certain beliefs back then. Now we know those actually hurt certain groups of people and want others to not fix but be more mindful off when telling stories. Just because you can’t see the problems does not mean they aren’t there.
@@Neonach😂😂😂
People always seem to forget the "Few bad apples" phrase is longer than that.
"A few bad apples *spoils the bunch*"
@@orionkeenan6247 i mean, a few bad apples does spoil the whole bunch
@@imperial2252 yeah, i mean... you can't NOT make rot spread if untreated.
@@imperial2252 But people often say as if "a few bad apples" is insignificant, as in "oh, it's just a few bad apples. Leave them alone." when the entire phrase is indicating that "a few bad apples" is NOT, in fact, insignificant.
Also shouldn’t packing factories sort out the good apples from the bad and throw the bad ones away
Making Jasmine like that in the remake destroys the dynamic between her and Aladdin. Originally Aladdin wanted the palace life while Jasmine was trying to get out of it. Now it's just a mess.
Yeah but when she sings she can dust people like Thanos
@@videogamenostalgia idk of its just me but her singing kinda sucks to me. At least for that power ballad
What have we learned?
Disney remakes are 60% woke, 30% GIRLBOSS, 10% low-key creepy realistic designs, and has 0% of the magic the originals did.
Nice
So Disney movies are a 110%?
Anne-Sofie Idk what math you’re doing but last I checked 60 + 30 + 10 + 0 = 100 So...
@@nombnomb5648 I tried making a dumb joke. Sorry for its dumbness lol.
Anne-Sofie lol I was trying to figure out how I could’ve done my math wrong haha
Fun fact: The pink elephants sequence in Dumbo only exists because the animators decided to go nuts after Walt Disney had a mental breakdown and took a sabbatical. Literally a case of "the king's away, it's time to play".
I thought it was because Walt Disney was working with Salvidor Dali and the two wanted to created a surrealist work of art? I got that information from my English Teacher in high school though so it might not be accurate. Do you happen to have a source I can look into? I'm actually quite fascinated by this.
I didn’t know that! That’s cool!
And look what magic happened ;)
@@Swordflash4 No the Dali/Destino collaboration (1946) was 5 years after the release of Dumbo in 1941.
"Following their first meeting, Dalí and Disney came up with the idea of collaborating on the “Destino” short. Dalí began working on the film in 1946, creating 22 paintings and more than 135 storyboards, drawings, and sketches. Disney's studio then generated about 20 seconds of original animation based on these ideas."
The complete short film was only completed decades later for the release of Fantasia 2000 I think.
why i wanna be an animator:
It's really disappointing that they seemingly care a lot about attempting to write strong women into their movies but treat actual women and POC horribly and don't value them as much in the actual work place.
I'm not entirely sure that they actually care deeply about writing in strong female characters; I think it has a lot more to do with capitalizing on current cultural climate for profit, more than anything else. When you look at how little effort or thought seems to go into the writing of these female characters, it seems like they're just doing the bare minimum in order to placate. There's a profound sense of shallowness and laziness their efforts. It's insulting to people's intelligence.
@@donnydogpiss4533 FACTS
That's because they're completely aware that they are discriminatory, and are attempting to be woke in order to hide their true colors as racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, and sexist scumbags who will never amount to anything.
@@donnydogpiss4533all companies are capitalist conglomerates and will latch on to any current trend to make a buck,I don't know why y'all keep giving only Disney flack for doing what all capitalist conglomerates do?
A corporation isn't a monolith. It has no singular consciousness. The writers probably actually do care, but the people in charge of low-paid Disneyland staff don't, even if they all work for the same umbrella company.
Fun Fact: the original Dumbo was going to be a short, but because Pinocchio failed, Disney needed more money, so they had to stretch it out into a whole film. The pink elephants scene is there because the film needed more screen time.
Thank you Pinocchio for lit Dumbo
But I really liked Pinocchio
Enchanted was the peak, pitch-perfect bar of quality for meta-commentary that was self-aware but also endearing and sincere without being cynical. Everything else falls short of Amy Adams shouting "you.....you....you....are not a very nice old man!"
**Dramatic thunderclap**
Easily one of her best performances.
Her performance in Enchanted was so endearing to me.
It's a really cute movie
I hope the sequel doesn't ruin it with wokeness and product placement
For Ariel they’re probably gonna do a whole “trash is in the ocean” plot
Or a slavery plot
Or a black lives matter plot since Ariel is going to black in the remake.
@@stefy7234 that would be pure cringe
Or true love against arranged marriages.
Stefano Basso That’s too woke for Disney
at the end of the original Mary Poppins, the kids choose the love of their father and the simple act of flying a kite over the fantastic magic that Poppins can do. That love is better than any magic. End of Returns? "We're flying about, magic is great, isn't magic the best??"
I actually liked both movies!
Holy crap you just made me realize why Returns didn’t land for me as much
I kinda like the way Warner Bros post this disclaimer about their past cartoons like Looney Tunes that were filled with racial stereotypes:
"The cartoons you are about to see are products of their time. They may depict some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that were commonplace in American society. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. While the following does not represent the Warner Bros. view of today’s society, these cartoons are being presented as they were originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming that these prejudices never existed."
It shows about them admitting their company's and people's history instead of white washing that Disney is trying to do right now.
EXACTLY!!!!!!
I like how the whole "speechless" Jasmin song is literally done by pausing the movie, making absolute sure her "revelation" has as little impact on the plot as possible. It's absurd
Then 2 seconds later after the song, she's like " I'LL DO ANYTHING YOU SAY JAFAR ! Lmao.
I swear. Like, that had zero impact since she gets captured literally a minute after the song.
I also didn't like how the song "Speechless" was lyrically and musically completely different from the original Aladdin songs. It felt very out of place to me. It was a pop/rock ballad-style song (that wouldn't sound out of place on a typical radio station), while the original Aladdin songs are Broadway-style songs. There even was a "girl power" sort of song in the stage musical adaptation of Aladdin called "These Palace Walls." It's like why couldn't they use that song in the movie instead as their "girl power" song? It's a more well-written song (IMO), and actually stylistically goes with the original Aladdin songs.
In the original version, I feel like she actually gets a little more agency. Yes, it's gross that she pretends to fall in love with Jafar and kisses him, but she chooses that while Genie is trying to explain the rules to Jafar, not because Jafar is directly threatening her. It's not ideal sure, but it's a more active choice than the weird inconsequential song in the new one.
Her "I'm not a prize to be won" line from the original was more empowering than the entirety of "Speechless".
After recently watching all of Hayao Miyazaki's movies, the hollowness of Disney's female "empowerment" rings even more sharply. The nuance between Disney's "always strong and defiant" protagonist and Miyazaki's "strong and also capable of showing vulnerability at times and receiving help without needing to be saved wholly" protagonists seems especially important here. The scene of Emma Watson in Beauty and the Beast immediately trying to escape after being locked up reminded me of a scene in Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind where she is also locked up except she drops down in despair. She's allowed to be vulnerable as well as strong and courageous which makes her feel so much more human. And it goes for all of Miyazaki's protagonists, his movies are basically a series of characters constantly helping one another, showing that they may be vulnerable when left alone but incredibly strong once they come together. I recognize it might be unfair to compare a marketable cash grab approach to factory movie making with one of the greatest masters of animation but the stark contrast was too much for me to ignore
This needs to be boosted up.
@Sidharth Rao well technically Cersei is a little bit obsessed about telling people that a woman can be in charge. Then in comes Olenna and just shows who's in charge =D
Nausicaa especially is great because she’s rescued by the OTHER WOMEN, and not in a badass jailbreak, but through a cunning trick and with their compassion and empathy.
So true. Miyazaki is an amazing creator and I wish others would take note.
@@islandplace7235 Maybe Disney is outdated nowadays compared to animated films from Europe or Japan.
Does Disney not realize that Jasmine was already a badass? and not cause she was some woke feminist or something but because she was the first princess to subvert the Disney Princess tropes? Adding that big fEmAlE eMpOwErMeNt song does nothing because she's never once shown in either movie being in danger of being silenced or spoken for (and it's so fucking funny how she gets captured right after).
You want to know what annoys me most about that song? It's all done her her head...TWICE! It was already a pointless song to add in because as you said Jasmine was already awesome and that was never an issue for her, but to sing a song about not sitting silent in your head? That is just a complete waste of time and negates the entire purpose of even doing it to begin with. Animation Jasmine would never.
I love her but my favorite Disney heroines are Esmeralda and Mulan
Same with Mulan. She was already a bad-ass to begin with. Sadly, Disney ruined her in live-action remake.
Can't wait to see Hollywood and Disney go bankrupt... We need a new decentralized Hollywood.
I liked new jasmine more. She didn’t kiss jafar infront of Aladdin in the new movie
ehh I mean Princess Jasmine was also incredibly sexualized for absolutely no reason. I don’t think that you should be calling a pedophilic and orientalist character empowering.
"It feels like commentary, but it's commentary that doesn't say anything" wow that sums it up completely.
If an act of love is when put some else's needs ahead of yours. Then the King In Maleficent put Arora's safety ahead of his mental health. Looking at the movie
Disney also seems to pander to the LGBT community as well. They always advertise about having a gay character when really it's only either one small mention of said character's romantic partner or a five second kiss in the background of the scene. Both, may I add, can be easily edited out so Disney can make money in countries that are against gay rights.
It's Just Kyle I’m making a story about some lgbt characters existing and vibing and (hopefully when I’m an adult) not caring about who doesn’t wanna watch it coz gay. That probably made zero sense.
I think that's been nicknamed queerbaiting?
Can we stop calling entire countries homophobic and learn to make a disctinction between the citizens and their government driving the media censorship?
radiobob
It’s obviously not the whole country, the op was probably talking about the government in certain countries.
It's Just Kyle exactly! one of the worst examples to me is in the star wars sequels. there were so many fans that wanted finn and poe to be a canon couple since they had such great chemistry. instead of listening to their fans and making two main characters gay, they decided to put a three second gay kiss between two random characters in episode 9 in order to be “woke”. i hope they have a well-done lgbtq+ character eventually.
Dumbo's original plot: Being different isn't bad, you can always find something that makes you unique.
Dumbo's live action plot: Animal cruelty isn't okay.
It's as if the Germans made a movie set during WW2 and completely overlooked the Holocaust. Actually, it's as if the LEAD CHARACTER was a well-respected Jew.
Even though the original already had that point made in addition to the overall lesson.
@@pranavlimaye
Huh?? Wtf. PeopIe seem to like anything these days that has the subtext “Nazis bad.” 🙄
Live action is real world, real world should end that dumbo die for animal abusing.
But it's true tho, animal cruelty isn't okay
"Was the entirety of Bollywood busy?"
Yes Lindsay, the entirety of Bollywood was busy making their own remakes of old Bollywood songs into the worst auto tuned garbage you have ever heard in your life.
The remixes?? Ah yes, what this medium-quality 80s tune needs is teChNoBeaTs
Bruh, Bollywood is no different to Hollywood. Nollywood from Nigeria is better
As a Millenial,I remember when 90s remixes happened and our parents were furious. I know how they feel now. Stop remixing songs..
@@tiruliru1189 this is the first time i've ever seen someone say nollywood is better than bollywood lol
Come to think of it I don't think Indian people making a movie about a Syrian story set in China be much better.
“There is no corporate approved way to make Disney’s history with race representation, or lack thereof, profitable. So they don’t.” Man, can I get this quote on a t-shirt?
that would be an ugly t-shirt
“There is no corporate approved way to make Disney’s history with race representation[..]" Except for the obvious one, which is that it is all but certain "Song of the South" would move a Shitton of Units, it it ever got released. Though they are rightfuly afraid of that, cause it would be horrible optics, even if they put a Leonard Maltin "War-Cartoon" style disclaimer infront of it. Then again I'm quite sure Bob Chapek is unscrupulous enough at this point, to just place an Confederate-Flag on Splash Mountain. ^^
@T.N. Newton Doesn't the existence of Black Panther refute that very same quote?
PLEASE I WOULD LOVE THAT
neosoontoretro Marvel is owned by Disney but they are not Disney, imo
Something that bothers me the most about the remakes is how pointless they are. Nobody asked for any of them. Nobody asked for any of this. Worse, now with remakes we have competing narratives and themes in the same IP, often carrying the same name, which only serves to pollute the brand. It's like the different generations of Disney are competing with one another more than Disney is competing with Amazon.
The thing that bothers me the most is that they're taking something fully developed for and dependent upon one medium and trying to translate it into another without making any changes (well, that, and the fact that it's a terrible idea to begin with).
I actually liked Aladdin, at least moreso than any of the other remakes. Maybe my expectations were so low that it was a nice surprise, except for the part in One Jump Ahead where they incorporate the weird slow / fast motion effects.
What sickens me more is the fact that it works. If you think disney making a business decision to re-release their most popular movies in a diffrent (worse) format is sickening. That's up to your discretion sure. What bothers me MORE is that people are still buying this garbage. These movies make a TON of money and they shouldn't. I feel bad because the general public supports this uninnovative, soulless, cheap nonsense. Disney has become a shadow of it's former self, sure. But they just follow the money like any buisness. People who buy it are what dictate what succeeds
@@zazzpzazz THIS!! People can complain all the want. But all that Disney sees is the billions of dollars they are making from the remakes
@@matty6878 a re-release of the source material (such as a blue ray release of the original movie) is all it takes to preserve copyright. You dont need to remake the movie. Also. If anyone is stupid enough to challenge Disney's copyright. I wish them luck.
@@matty6878 also buying companies doesn't really mean anything in terms of copyright.
"The original movie wasn't empowering... but now it is"
*snowball thrown in face*
This is why your videos are great.
The sound effect is so bad i'm rolling on the floor remembering it
The sound of the back of her head smacking into the walkway really seals it.
That snowball should have at least bruised her judging by that smack.
It's also so poorly edited that the joke falls flat
*Like Belle*
😂😂😂that sound effect killed me.
This is the good kind of Disney criticism. Not "Hur hur gotcha, the magic has plot holes" but "Let's look at the actual issues ingrained in the material and what the material actually MEANS."
I mean some people enjoy looking at plot holes even when they don't matter because it can kidna be fun tbh
Lindsay Ellis: *thinks about Disney*
Disney: *blinks*
RUclips: *De-monetized*
Hey, it isn't like she made a video with "war" in the title!
Project Veritas!
Lindsay: 8:41
Disney:
"This channel has been removed due to multiple violations of our community guidelines."
It actually started to load an ad for me before skipping straight to the video instead xD
Good thing she get sponsored at least :3
I think the biggest problem here is that Disney is essentially raising a whole generation telling them that something is bad... without actually explaining why.
And if you don’t explain why, you’re basically condemning the next generation to make the same mistakes.
So its that hitler episode from south park
"Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness....and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -G. Santayana Erasing history maintains comfortable profit margins and compliant consumers though, so... all good? /s
That is a lot of responsibility for an entertainment company. What do you think they should do about it? Because I have no initial ideas on my end
Katie.L Hall If that’s a lot of responsibility for one entertainment company then they shouldn’t have bought all the others
@@artemiswolf4508 I know your response was not an aggressive one.
but damn, you just shitted on 'em lol
The most obvious example of Disney's lack of acknowledgment of race was how they reacted to racism against John Boyega and Kelly Marie from Star Wars. They didn't. They made Finn a side character and wrote Rose out of the movie because of people's reaction towards those characters and never once defended their actors against racist comments.
Nine months after TROS and I'm still mad about that among many other things wrong with that trainwreck of a trilogy. Five years and over $30 I will never get back.
Or the posters in china where black actors are removed.
What should Disney have done to respond to the racism?
If they came forward with a press release or something they'd just be criticized for "being all talk."
@@jbvader721 I routinely come to RUclips to find people to vent with in the comments. Hi random stranger I hated it too
I was always annoyed at Finn's treatment, but I though everyone hated Rose because she was just a bad character? At least, that's all I've seen.
Jasmine: "I've been preparing for this all my life"
Also Jasmine: does not know how money works.
"Dad I want to study science"
"You silly girl, there's no future in science. You will be a circus performer just like your father."
A much more realistic reply would be "we can't afford to get you an education since I'm goddamn circus performer and have to travel for my job also" but can't criticise class in a Disney film, eh?
Marie Curie? More like Marie Antoinette...
Princess Fondu oof
lol
@@deer4927 yass
Disney: "We're meta now!"
Everyone: "Yes, but are you critiquing what you're being meta about?"
Disney: " ~ *M E T A* ~ "
Disney making jazz hands
_metaaaaa_
Disney: We’re self aware guys please like us.
QuesoCookies more like Mehta
I'm meta like me
@brandon roberts Not even the bare minimum, but actively offending anyone who isn't woke.
Nobody:
Disney:
"Welp we did it boys, discrimination is no more!"
I've done it Ms's Obama, I've stopped sexism!
Speaking of which... what was the last count of how many women and POC are working at Disney as animators and in lead management roles as directors, executives, producers, etc. on these movies?
Useless nobody
You know who else erased their history and rewrote it? The Egyptians.
'Hello is this the CEO of racism?'
What annoys me about modern movies as a young filmmaker myself is the way women are written in general. They either are totally weak and cry all the time, or they are written in a way to be badass, don‘t show any emotions and are naturally gifted. Like,…. we women are humans. We make mistakes and we have to grow too. Why can‘t movies portrait girls in a way where they aren‘t perfect but develope overtime? Like a normal human being?
because when they do they’re often put down as ‘annoying’ or ‘stupid’ because somehow main characters have to be perfect all the time whilst also getting top notch character development
I started "Killing Eve" a week ago and I was amazed how well everybody but especially the two main women were written. They are so human
@@Isabelle-hv6ny Ah, cool! Never heard about that movie, but I will give it a shot ☺️
@@itsciver It's a series from the BBC😉 I binged two seasons (8 Episodes à 40 min per season) in under two weeks.
@@Isabelle-hv6ny Uhh 😍 Sounds promising!
I'm so ready for the live action little mermaid to have a scene where ariel's sisters sing about the wage gap
But remember girls, the wage gap exists *under the sea*
What about on la-
*Under the sea!*
@jocaguz18 it's a real issue there is a wage gap...wages in general are a real issue. People are being exploited, wages are being stolen, worker productivity is at an all time high while corporations pocket all profit.
DejaVoodooDoll Actually it’s not a wage gap, it’s an earnings gap and many factors go into like:
-Men work more dangerous jobs
-Men are more like to ask for raises
-Men work more hours and take less vacation/sick days
Etc.
Just because you work the same job doesn’t automatically mean you’ll make the same as your colleague
DejaVoodooDoll No no and no...
Working dangerous jobs do get you better pay because you’re risking your life and men make up 90% of work related injuries and deaths.
Also what country are we talking about where women are being held back by the government from succeeding because of the “Evil Patriarchy”. In the West, there are literally programs (STEM and space) that are catered towards just women and girls.
Also what consequences do women face for asking for a raise? The boss saying no?
And finally, women being encouraged to be mothers instead of work made sense at the time since infant mortality was higher, most work places were dangerous and women were kept away from that and etc etc
Just realized I’m gonna get notifications on this for the rest of my life because I forgot there are Wage Gap Isn’t Real stans
Danny DiVito making a speech about how the circus is now cruelty free sounds like a scam to promote fight milk
22 minutes in.
“These movies don’t need to exist.”
Pretty much sums it up there.
That really could be said about any movie or entertainment product in general, especially the entertainment that we don't personally like.
I agree but like that goes with everything ever lmao
No movie "needs to exist". I'm sorry, I know that comes off as a cop-out excuse but hear me out:
Toy Story 4 was a movie that everyone was moaning and freaking out about how "it didn't need to exist". Even I wasn't sold on the idea, when first hearing about it, and was still rather skeptical even with the promise that they weren't just doing it for money and that it made Tom Hanks and Tim Allen cry. Maybe it was essentially greenlit for money despite the creators' good intentions, and maybe the movie gets worse the more thought you apply to it.
But for me, when it came out, I was in such a state of despair and stress, that I felt like one that I needed to do to help cure me is take a trip to the movie theatre to see something that gave me a fun time. And that's what Toy Story 4 did. It livened me up for the time being. And sometimes, that's all a movie needs to do, even if the rest of the makers try too hard to "justify" the existence of something that is ultimately perceived as a soulless cash grab.
I don't say this to try and come off as some sort of "Disney apologist", I'm just trying to say that if you don't think their content is good anymore, you can always go watch something else, like an Indie film. If you don't like capitalism, maybe it's time to go support socialism.
and you think your opinion is matter?
Jk channel “My opinion IS matter?” What does that even mean?!
I'm getting fed up with the notion that every female character needs to be "a good role model for girls" or "empowering to women". It's almost as if sexism is supposed to be solved by having women/girls feel confident and not, y'know, by making radical systemic and cultural changes that enables this sexism in the first place
YEP
Pull Yourself Up By The -Boot- High Heel Straps, GirlBoss!
This is why I watch 30 Rock on repeat forever, and nothing else. I like my characters stupid and selfish.
The former is easy. The latter is hard. People prefer easy solutions too often. And corps especially aren't going to push for major changes; if they push too hard, people might stop spending money!
Its a movie. Save to say, they don't want to "fix feminism". They want to get people in movie theater seats and appeal to other focus groups etc.
The worst part is, time and time again the characters they change were already badass. Bell was smart enough to help her dad with his inventions at the beginning of the movie and brave enough to take her fathers place in the original, Nala kicks Simba's ass twice in the original, and Princess Jasmine was brave and kind enough to sneak out of the palace to see her people In the original. Don't add things that were already there.
I will never understand why, If they insist on doing it, they don't just make new movies out of the old IPs. Like Aladdin but told from Jasmine's pov, or a continuation of a franchise. I'd watch a Lion King movie about Scar, like they did with Maleficent. Shit, they should even tie that in with their Lion Guard IP.
Its just for money, that's it. Remakes drag in old fans = more money, they could give a fuck about these movies being even mildly adequate.
@Johnny 600 what?
@@thechaostornado6600 AVGN , Ghostbusters all female remake (which did terrible)
@@DH_Artist I found the remake particularly bad because that whole "speachless" song that's been added to make her what they think is a stronger female character, is her singing a song about how she won't be silenced... to herself... in her head... where no one else can hear it... yeah. She doesn't sing it out loud to the people who are trying to silence her. You can tell it was just shoved in there as an afterthought (or not with much thought.) It wasn't a good remake.
I actually like the live action Aladdin better than the original, but I don't like the PC plugs like Jasmine's "Speechless" or making her the sultan at the end. Yeah, I'm sure a medieval (or modern) Islamic country would tolerate a female sultan.
"Any time someone draws attention to the fact that they're breaking a gender stereotype, it ultimately undermines the concept of gender equality by indicating that this is an exception and not the status quo." -Knuckles the Echidna
The Dimensioneer lol did knuckles really say that?
@@BM-ft2hg Apparenlty so O.o
The Sonic Boom Tv show has a fair few of them. Though that point is somewhat undermined by his next line which is something along the lines of - "What? Just because I'm a meat-head doesn't mean I can't be a feminist!"
Main man
YES.
Omg I’ve never been able to put this into words. Thank you!
'I've been training my whole life to run this country and be Sultan'. The FIRST THING we see her do is steal bread and not understand why someone would take an issue with it since she stole it for a child. She has NO IDEA about the very basics of her country's economy. She would be a terrible Sultan.
I know right, like you're the princess of this kingdom, can't you just pay for the bread
well you see, it is the petite bourgeoisie that are the real problem (sarcasm)
In the original her motive was to just be free from suiters and her lifestyle and be like anybody else. she was the opposite of aladdin. She wanted to have her own choices and what she wanted, not because she was a woman or wanted to be sultan She wanted to be independent for herself but happend to fall in love with aladdin along the way. Its almost like Disney didn't even watch their own movies.
Team Starkid's "Twisted" pulled that off so much better. Without going into spoiler territory, Jasmine does some self-reflecting and realizes her position in society gives her the power to make things better for _everyone_ and not just for herself.
Belle inventor and Jasmine Sultan are nothing more than decorations that lead nowhere
The Mulan remake really was the culmination of egregious woke-posturing. They tried making it more “authentic to the culture” by... including a witch and magic???
Mulan is one of China’s many great stories just like Wukong. It’s been done and adapted hundreds of times by China.
Disney tried to market itself to a market that has done a culturally accurate take way better and proceeded to alienate itself from the people who felt connected to Mulan’s plight and enjoyed the singing along the way in the west.
Mulan is my favorite Disney movie, and to see it butchered really sucks.
As A practitioner of Chinese Folk Magic I found it deeply offensive. It did nothing to represent and simply left everything worse than they found it.
The thing is, the director of the Mulan remake had already made an awesome empowering unexpected-girlboss movie set in a traditional non-white cultural setting. Check out Whale Rider. So good!
Doesn't help they shot several parts of the film at or near concentration camps and the lead actress mocked the people fighting against the HK police. And then turn around and fire James Gunn for some pedophile jokes that were in no way grounds for firing.
I couldn’t even watch the remake, Mulan is also one of my favorite Disney movies💜
@@SmoothCriminal12 what did the HK police do
As Red Letter media put it best Disney is 'Passive Progressive."
I hate the whole “Strong Independent woman” and “Not like other girls” tropes cause it literally is telling girls that being feminine is something bad or is some kind of weakness
That is one of the reasons I loved Alita over Captain Marvel. Alita was strong yes, but also very feminine. Meamwhile captain Marvel basically acts like a toxic male with girl power music playing in the background.
Everything second wave is new again :D
YEEEEEEES
Agreed. And it's always so half-assed too. "Being traditionally feminine is weak and dumb and bad! Be a #girlboss instead! But only if you're skinny and conventionally attractive. Being too unattractive is also dumb and bad." In the end it's all about playing to the center enough that you don't alienate potential customers.
Exactly! It's almost like people have become so afraid of femininity that if a female lead isn't "not like other girls", then suddenly they're a bad role model for women.
Belle: "I'm a girl who can read in a time and culture where that was totally common."
THIS IS MY FIGHT SONG
Weren’t women often writing a ton too? I remember Hawthorne writing something about women being “scribblers”, which sounds kinda patronizing but still, it seems probably much more complicated than the flat oppression in that remake.
Jagd Töpfer Wasn’t the original Beauty and the Beast written by a woman too?
@@noorazraq2245 exactly!
Belle Granger is Disney's portrayal of the quintessential millennial snowflake.
That is the most perfect meme ever!
Jasmin's "I won't be silent" song, followed by her being captured is so unintentional self-parody, that the only way you could possibly intentionally parody it would be to have Jafar break into the middle of the song, slap her in the face, and shout, "Bitch, shut up!"
Jafar bustin' in like The Rock talking to Triple H.
lmao yeah it's literally the worse, unintentional version of Twisted's commentary on the original, which is kinda close to the "bitch shut up" example you provided
There's a moment like that in Book of Lufe, too, and it's the worst...
Avatar: TLA did it right. It had female heroines and villains that weren't categorized into either extreme tomboy badass girl or dainty feminine weak girl. Ty Lee is an excellent example. She's very feminine and has a joyful and almost naive personality, but is one of the most powerful fighters in the show because she can immobilize the body which disables a bender from, well, bending and a non-bender from moving.
The thing I like most about Ty Lee is that she isn’t actually naive at all, but she puts on an air to make herself less of a threat to people like Azula. She has a whole other level to her vapid carefree attitude!
I really like Toph because of this. She’s the greatest earth bender in the world, she comes off as a tomboy, etc, but in one episode Katara and her go to the spa and get their makeup, hair; and nails done. Toph never objects and isn’t like “ew! Girly stuff!” She actually ENJOYS being and feeling feminine and doesn’t think of it as something weak! Even though she’s clearly more on the masculine side, she’s proof that girls don’t have to choose one or the other. It’s okay to like sports, wrestle, and do masculine things AND like doing feminine things like going to the spa and getting your makeup done!
@@Trollestiatumblur Exactly! She doesn't go around spouting that is it girly like idiotic woke films. What's wrong with being girly? She is a girl and she loves being pampered (except for that foot scrubbing scene lol)
@@aimeelou2 I think strong female characters is just an excuse for the writers to be Lazy with their story's.
@@orangeslash1667 if it's done right, why would it be lazy?
I feel another big problem is that meta commentary REALLY dates films
It's as dated as those "parody" films directed by Seltzer and Friedberg
It is a feature, they way they can remake them again.
Omar go back further, and you have The Muppet movies with their full-blown post modern ending
It is not a problem it is a feature. These products are meant to be discarded and not treasured. Otherwise you get to attached and set your standarts high and they can't make easy money.
Good. The sooner these remakes fall down the memory hole the happier I will be.
"Disney is well on their way to owning... everything."
HAHAHAHAhahahahahaaaa I am legitimately terrified
Wonder if we should get hackers to start attacking Disney, bringing Disney to crisis unto crisis
@@RocketHarry865 You have better chance of starting a revolt in your own country than take Disney down at this point.
The Mouse Is Watching You!
@@lucidnonsense942 In 50 years they will be able to watch every single individual. Not just get the data and comments from every individual archive, but have a program actively observing every single one of us.
In the not to distant future: Welcome to Disneyland, please present your passport as you disembark your international flight from New York. Feel free to stop by Bob Iger's presidential office.
Take Mulan as an example... The best part is that in original Mulan, she had flaws when training but she was able to overcome them with perceverance and commitment. But on the Mulan Remake, she was a robotic impossibly perfect human being that were better than everyone else from the start and easily overcoming any flaws of obstacles that she had. That's not a figure that little girls can mirror themselves in, it just feels like an impossible character that we can't inspire ourselves because they are already perfect. Now take spiderman as an example, probably the most famous superhero, he has many flaws, struggles with his low paying job, it's still trying to figure out life and who he is, and has his own problems that he fights to overcome, with many hardships but he eventually does it, that's a character that little boys AND girls can mirror themselves in, he becomes stronger learning from his mistakes, he's not an ultra perfect princess that nails everything from the beggining to show how GIRLS (and that's important, because little boys also liked watching Mulan back then) and only girls are stronger than anyone else. Disney movies before could be watched by anyone and still be enjoyed, but nowadays is like having a lecture from an angry parent.
What makes the new "Mulan" even worse is that the young female character that IS somewhat relatable (since she doesn't have magical superpowers) is her little sister... who ends up becoming the good, traditional wife. So, the movie essentially tells people: "As a woman, you can be anything you want! If you have magic, that is. Otherwise, you better stay at home, get married and be a housewife. Because that's the role of regular women, and they should be happy that they can do that!"
I actually don't object to the fact that a female-empowerment-movie also has the message that being a mother and housewife can be fullfilling and something some women might want. So, the bad thing isn't, that Mulan's sister is happy with that role in her life. The problem is, that in combination with how they show Mulan herself, her sister becomes the only other young female character who is looking for her place in that society. And if you show Mulan as being an equal to men ONLY BECAUSE she has these magical superpowers, and show the "regular" girl being happy with her traditional role, the message of the movie gets significantly worse.
This is the result of a false state of utopia common in today's social sphere. The issues of the past have been corrected and now everyone lives in a more progressive future. Racism? Equality. Misogony? Empowerment. Oppressed? Rights. Everything once bad has been corrected, so, there's no need to even think about it! Bad practises, bad traditions, bad people no longer exist! We don't even have to "feel" bad, and if anything makes anyone feel bad, then get rid of it! The world is more perfect than ever before so why would anyone need to struggle anymore, right? Our world is perfect and we are perfect! There's no longer a need for a hero with human faults to show us how to conquer personal hardships or struggles. Get with the perfect times people..
I’m sensing the possibility of the “wow this is a disaster” clip becoming the next “See how I glitter”
I'm losing to a bird!
Candela-BRA, please!
A bit too on the nose if you ask me
Why does it hurt so much?!
I cant watch a Lindsay video without "see how I glitter" going through my head at least a couple times.
Disney: "You remember this thing you liked as a child? It had problems."
Me: "Yeah, I remember my childhood self."
T
Me: Yes, I remember. I just don't care. Leave my childhood alone, Mickey Mouse.
OK, let's do this:
"Thanks, girlboss, I hate it when they see how I glitter when I'm losing to a bird!"
Nice, you ate the whole society.
missing "Fairy lives don't matter today"
@@googleeatsdicks *because it was real*
Bumblebee, stop lubricating the man.
“Bobby B-
TURN DOWN FOR WHAT!!!”
“I’m a bitch, I’m a lover, I’m a-“
“Is it too late now to say soooorryyyyyy...”
“It’s just one of those-“
The worst they could possibly get is with Mulan 2020, where they practically used cultural accuracy and wokeism to shield themselves from criticism, while failing to provide any actual cultural respect or representation. And it resulted in a shit movie.
@@luvmypolly This indeed happened. The actress who played Mulan is also a hard activist for police brutality.
@@NachoCheeseDorito-Kun the actors opinions don't matter to the movie mayun
@@ussinussinongawd516 I'm pretty sure she used her role as Mulan to promote her views, so she _made_ it matter to the movie.
@@ussinussinongawd516 They do.
And it was wasn't even culturally accurate. It was worse than the original 😂
The youtuber Xiran Jay Zhao just created a RUclips channel to roast the remake and it's inaccuries(I highly recommend it)
*after the Dumbo remake is released*
Disney: _well boys, we did it, animal cruelty is no more_
NOT IF I HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT IT
Baldr Eats Fries *TIGGAAA*
GET THE IVORY HANDLED SILVERWARE OUT! WE'VE DONE GOOD!
*_Disney: wait that’s illegal_*
Disney: We ended animal cruelty! Yay us!
Disney: Try our Mickey-shaped chicken nuggets!
I just had a dumb idea that the Little Mermaid remake is going to attempt some kind of environmental message. Like while she's on land Ariel will realise that her entire collection of human artefacts is actually rubbish thrown into the sea and other waste is polluting the ocean, and Ursula is the one influencing humans to pollute the seas to somehow weaken Triton making him easier to overthrow. So Ariel has to mobilise the sea's wildlife to lead an army against our new Captain Planet villain while Eric attacks from the surface (assuming he's even involved in the climax). Then when Ariel and Eric are married and Eric becomes king they'll make a speech about how pollution is bad and they're going to clean up the oceans and maybe stop overfishing.
Stop. Dont give them ideas
tbh this plot will probably be a lot better than what the movie will be
Dont forget the part when they get rid of all plastic straws and toast to metal straws
My gods, you reminded me of a book about "Girl Power" retelling of fairytales and The Little Mermaid is just like what you described except she also married her female best friend by the end.
I got nothing against LGBTQ but that is obviously agenda over storytelling.
This is probably super accurate, but I am looking forward to having an Ariel that can actually sing after what happened with Belle
One of these days I'm going to snap and actually read DisneyWar just from sheer bullying from Lindsay.
Advertising actually works! :O
I found it at the Book Bin years ago. It's dense, but you learn a heck of a lot about how filmmaking works from the business side-and about the Disney family's relationship to the company, really.
I have the audio book of it and it's one my favorite things ever.
Wait how dis you comment two days before the video got published.
@@Feast4Majora Patrion people can see it earlier.
I definitely put Alice in Wonderland and Maleficent on a different level than the other remakes because they actually tried to be different and tell their own story, regardless of how successful they were. The Jungle Book is the only straight-remake that I enjoyed because of its ending, which fixed the "stick with your own kind" message of the original (plus it actually had a cohesive plot that has set up and pay off)
I never saw the orginal sleeping beauty. But I did enjoy Maleficent
Baron Von Jo both Maleficent and Sleeping Beauty are very different movies but they’re both good in their own ways. I’d very much recommend Sleeping Beauty if you want something that’s simply emotional, beautiful and powerful. It’s very reliant on classic archetypes, but it knows it is and does those archetypes well. With a deliciously unapologetic villain as well.
Disney was arguably more woke when it wasn't trying to be. It's like Taoism: do not try, and you shall achieve. Try, and you shall make Dumbo.
Yeah, but Disney is not trying to be woke per se. They just realize that specific types of wokeness will increase their profits, that's it. What do taoists say about trying to achieve something for the wrong reasons?
To a company like Disney, "Wokeness", "Bigotry", "Feminism" and "Mysogyny" all have one thing in common: If you can properly tap into all of them, all of them yield money.
Absolutely. I think "Lilo & Stitch" has some of the best "strong female" characters and no one is wielding a weapon and despite prominently featuring non-white characters it doesn't make some cynical plea to appeal to progressivism. In other words, they were fully fleshed out characters and not a coat rack to hang mock liberalism from in order to sell tickets.
Agreed. 90s Mulan is going to be ten times more woke than the remake will because 90s Mulan wasn't trying so goddamn hard.
@@trucutru3 In Taoism, giving reasons to your actions (good or bad) is like giving names to everything you see.
Here's chapter 29 of the Tao Te Ching:
Trying to control the world? I see you won't succeed.
The world is a spiritual vessel And cannot be controlled. Those who control, fail. Those who grasp, lose.
Some go forth, some are led, Some weep, some blow flutes, Some become strong, some superfluous, Some oppress, some are destroyed.
Therefore the Sage Casts off extremes, Casts off excess, Casts off Extravagance.
i felt like the whole 'having animals in your circus is bad' was a sudden swerve away from the dangerous theme of 'having big company own all creative properties is bad' just to make sure no one got too many ideas
That Aladdin remake looks like a high school production
you’re right and you should say it
i liked it will smith was good
You’re right dibwuwgsgw
They made a horrible movie but people still watched it because
1. Disney
2. Will Smith
2. Will Smith
3. Did I mention Will Smith
4. The genie played by Will Smith
"Twice. They do it Twice!"
That's the story of the Disney live action remakes.
Whats worse about lion king is that is so sub par compared to the original. The characters and so emotionless and have no life and color like the original. Stylization is always going to look better than realism most of the time.
I have no idea whether to be hopeful for the Mulan remake (because it's made in China) or worried (because People's Republic of China).
@@juanmanuelpenaloza9264 worried.
There exists neither hype nor hope for these rehashes.
@arthur churro: The sad and greedy thing is that Disney already made a super successful remake with the Broadway version that was just as vibrant and creative as the animated film so this remake was doubly needless.
Disney you're rich, you've won, stop trying to remake everything!
They have to do it twice. Like it's radio.
"The monarchy isn't bad, it just needs a woman CEO!"
Nailed it.
@AAnd The quote is ironic.
lemme see the ceo of monarchy
RUclips
Which is why Big Liz has the longest reign in history.
Or just someone who cares about it's people like Jasmine.
Shrek: look at how silly Disney is!
Disney: holy shit they made a lot of money better make enchanted
Real?
Ok but enchanted was my childhood, like “that’s how you know”? A b o p
Okay but Shrek is scathing and cynical, Enchanted is a loving self-parody. The best parody tends to come from a place of affection rather than scorn, cause true fans of the original work understand it better and so make deeper rather than surface level parodies.
Shrek: bits of Disney are stupid like isn’t it’s a small world annoying
Enchanted: how would the real world intersect with a Disney princess and how would this alter her personality and she alter the other characters
Richard Bourton this exactly ! enchanted is probably the most wholesome self parody disney has put out and for that reason it feels 100x more genuine.
Guy2010 no it isn’t. It mocks some of the tropes of classic Disney films but ends up affirming all of them. True loves kiss is real, happy endings DO come true, the best way to behave is the wonderful positivity of Giselle, even if it needs tempering slightly in the real world. It’s packed to the gills with loving homages to all of Disney; every extra is a reference to a Disney film in some way, the lady with lots of kids Edward meets heading up the stars is played by Pocahontas’ actress, the couple in divorce litigation are named after the Banks family from Mary Poppins, the bus driver has her hair styled as Mickey ears and so on. Disney and its tropes are examined by Enchanted and then affirmed by the narrative. It is the least mean spirited film I have ever seen and that’s why it is my favourite film.
“Disney are you ever going to tackle your incredibly troubling relationships with supporting monarchy, colonialism, racism, and the idea that some people are just born superior to other people?”
Disney: ... uh... hey, HEY, Y’ALL SEEN BELLE CLIMB OUT A WINDOW
How hard is to make a likeable "empowered" female character, Shrek did it fine with Fiona.
I think there are those who no matter what will always think the empowered female character is “woke”. I can only imagine what previous female characters from the last 30 years would have been perceived by today’s critique.
Too bad Shrek isn't Disney.
@@victoriaodegaard1 Nobody said it was. And I think that was part of the point OP was making.
@@PittsburghSonido I don't think that's true. It's all about how the characters are delivered. Fans love modern strong heroines like Wonder Woman, Scarlet Witch, Katniss Everdeen, etc. because they're organically written and don't exist simply to push a political message. Most of the heavily critiqued "strong female" characters, like Rey or Captain Marvel, are marketed as such, with the actors and studios bringing their gender up constantly and using it as a defense against critics, e.g. "You just hate strong women." That's what most disgruntled fans are reacting to.
Toph and katara in atla
I remember when Disney made timeless masterpieces instead of telling everyone "This movie is corny and lame but whatever. We'll roll our eyes at it too so we can *pretend* we give a shit instead of actually having to give a shit. How do you do, fellow critically-minded humans?"
IMO plenty of the “dark ages” Disney films are perfectly fine... like I get that The Rescuers and Fox and the Hound and Winnie the Poo weren’t all that ambitious compared to what came later, but they’re still cherished quite a bit by some of us.
Yeah, like, if you're so aware of the princess tropes, maybe... make something different?
Hot take : The Emperor's New Groove is Disney's most progressive movie (in terms of gender) because it shows female slapstick is as funny as male slapstick.
EDIT: In hindsight I'm glad it was a financial disaster and a major headache for Disney. The chances of it getting a "woke" remake are pretty low as a result.
Would be saved if they still cast David Spade
It got an Sequel about Kronk and it's own TV Series, guess it wasn't such an huge failure.
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Good point. Comedy writers aren’t afraid to go ham when putting men in wacky slapstick situations but I guess women are considered too fragile to be subjected to it? It was a weird imbalance that I’ve always noticed but never hear anyone talk about.
It was a financial disaster because its budget included scrapped Kingdom of the Sun footage. But it did well enough on tv to warrant a sequel and series.
The Little Mermaid Woke™️ is gonna be about Ariel throwing her dinglehoppers at Eric’s boat and becoming human in order to initiate a campaign against ocean garbage in the 15th century
LOL she sticks the fork in his thigh and swims off
“It would double the banks profits” “yes by wringing it out of the customers profits” YEAH BANKS DO THAT LITERALLY ALL THE TIME??? Why did he say that like it’s outrageous?
Because it is. The problem is that the guy saying it was a fucking banker.
clearly Mary Poppins Returns is a scathing portrayal of the postwar deregulation of the banks and their transition from staid conservative entities with supposed paternalistic elements to one entirely based on rapid capital accumulation in a neoliberal marketplace. In this essay, I shall-
Right? Literally every business makes money by taking it from customers. What a stupid line.
*customers' pockets not profits
@Cat J
There's a difference between being paid for services provided and "wringing [the money] out of the customers' pockets".
The latter implies predatory business practices, which are unethical and harm the business' relationship with its customers.
That sort of practice should never be regarded as normal or acceptable, even if it is widespread.
The whole "GIRL BOSS" angle makes me think Disney is trying to sell me Herbalife.
@@kieranstark7213 mate did you reply to the wrong comment
Female empowerment is cool and all but Disney already had that before their terrible remakes.
"Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it."
Michael Jackson-1573 AD
But they're trying to change the past, and you cant do that
Thats when the fun begins
@waylon lewin Splinter comprehends a dry strategy inside the it's palace. Rainbow Dash degenerates into every cultural guidance outside a noticeable virgin. Rainbow Dash crowns Splinter. The advisory hum quits Rainbow Dash within a virgin separator. Splinter hosts the algorithm?
"The still living shall envy the dead"
I like how you are like “but now it’s empowering”
Then belle gets hit in the face with a snowball
That was the best timing ever
Honestly the 90’s Aladdin felt empowering enough to me as a young girl
Henry Kahn Yes!! My favorite is Mulan
I think that the 90s Jasmine was better because while she was more empowering than the traditional Disney Princess, they weren’t afraid to make her sensitive, instead of the “Power Ballad” girl boss. (Edited because grammar)
Jasmine was a boss before girl bossing was a thing and favourite for a long ass while. She was deeply cynical of the marriage process. Capable particularly physically and saw through Aladdin half way through the film. The final quarter of that film drives me nuts though. They Leia slave outfit her and shove her in a bloody egg timer so Aladdin can look like a hero. Both of them do so much better by pure wit. Her with the kiss fake out. Him with the genie wish. Just wish it had skipped 10 minutes.
The 90s and 00s had the best princesses. I included the 00s just so I could include rapunzel.
All of the Disney princesses ( yes even the " Damsels in distress " ) are for more interesting than any of the " Strong " female leads of today honestly
Sexism,racism, homophobia didn’t exist, ever.
- Disney 2019
ECKohns you make a good point. It’s like when someone says, ( I don’t even see colour) you know that’s a lie. So just admit it, we do see each other differently.
Or you know they just make fun stuff for kids and not every goddamn thing needs to be "mature" or "chalanging"
"And then he wasn't racist... anymore."
The thing is disney really doesn't give a shit about gay representation. Think about it, what other major marginalized demographic had not gotten a disney pic in their reawokening? The reason why is that if they would ever make an LGBT movie it would be banned in China (no ghosts no gays policy). If that's not proof they never cared I don't know what is.
Also yes I'm paraphrasing YMS choke me.
oh, no, homophobia's still on the table for them lmao
Can’t wait for the Pinocchio remake where instead of going to pleasure island , Geppetto gives a ted talk about the nature vs nurture debate
They would probably excise the smoking, even though the movie was anti-smoking rather than pro-smoking.
Now they go to Epstein island...
@@SeasideDetective2 well that aged like wine...
Root beer!
That sounds amazing, I would watch the shit out of that.
You know,the funny thing is,realistically speaking Dumbo and his mom wouldn't be released into the wild! It's proven animals coming from circuses cannot return into the wild,they would die cause they don't know how to act in their natural environment. They would've end up in either a zoo or sanctuary (some zoos are both)
Still unrealistic in the 1910's I guess? But that's what would happen lol
Small edit: I do like Speechless as a song. It is a good song that in my opinion it isn't just about "girl power",tons of people get silenced and don't want to be,it is a decent song and I like it. The message is a bit unnecessary in that context cause Jasmine was already a good female character but eh good song
well I think dumbo could survive in the wild because he can fly
@@meowdonkey5811 that doesn't help if you don't know what's edible
“...featuring a lead crow named by the animation department, Jim Crowe.”
*jim faces at camera*
Here's an idea, Disney - if something from the past is going to be a problem if you include it in a remake, how about... you DON'T REMAKE IT? How about you MAKE SOMETHING COMPLETELY NEW AND ORIGINAL INSTEAD? Y'know, with creativity and stuff?
Exactly cause we can't ignore that media is a product of its time. Warner even admits to being racist before. For Warner to admit things better than family friendly Disney you know something is bad
@@Zelnyair Can you imagine what they'd do to the Fox and the hound?
Agreed, Frozen was pretty good (please don't butcher me if Frozen was written in the 30s or some shit)
@@pranavlimaye You mean The Snow Queen? Yeah The Snow Queen is a better story but Frozen is okay too. I'm not going to butcher you. Lol
@@pranavlimaye Is good but nothing else.
Shenzi's girl bossification is somewhat understandable. She is a female hyena, and female hyenas are the ones leading the pack. Not sure if we should have girls coming to idolize Scar's henchanimals, though.
This is true. Hyenas are extreamly matriarcal.
Same with lions, the females are the ones that run the pride whilst males are just bodyguards when they aren't fighting the other males.
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I like the idea of making Shenzi the hyenas’ leader, but they could have done that while still making her a fun, comedic villain like she was in the animated film.
I still love how the speechless song is about her standing up and fighting against oppression, but the entire song is in a dream sequence, and has no actual presence in the reality of the film.
Wouldn't animals born in a circus have a really difficult time living in the wild?
Long story short, yeah they'd be dead within a few months, they would not be accepted into any native herds and have no skills to survive in the wild.
Worst of all, thanks to the Human protagonists being so GOOD to Dumbo, he thinks all humans are friends now! And thus even if he did survive to adulthood he'd be easy pickings for the numerous big game hunters around during that time.
Plot should've just put them in captivity somewhere nice, but then they couldn't appeal to PETA.
@Goliath Online Yeah, but was that lion raised in ways that facilitated an easy transition? I suspect that may be a huge difference.
@Goliath Online Galagya's right, also the fact that lion social dynamics would allow an unknown roaming male to facilitate himself into a group likely helped that release effort greatly, if the lionesses accepted him they would aid his survival by hunting for the group and also encouraging his own hunting instincts to click in. Also there's the possibility that the Male lion was born in the wild which would also help, do you have any info on that?
Alongside all the difficulties I previously mentioned, Elephant social dynamics are far more complex than those of Lions, Elephant herds will only accept females who they grew up with and/or are related to into their group and many herds rely on knowledge passed down from previous generations in order to survive, as captive-born elephants are cut off from this support structure it make them much more difficult to acclimate to a fully wild environment.
@@jht3fougifh393 True, modern conservation efforts which would discourage human contact, help develop some hunting skills and monitor the Lion once released to ensure he's doing OK likely helped greatly.
As opposed to a movie's "Let's just chuck two human-acclimatized Elephants who've grown up in a completely different environment and climate into wild 1910's India and hope for the best."
Don’t ask questions; just buy product and then get excited for next product
"monarchy is good if it's ruled by a girlboss" -Disney
Meanwhile, in UK...
This complaint makes no sense though. If we don't want a modernized morality ending for Dumbo; why do we want one for Aladdin?
@@mysteriiis Meh, you know dude, the thing with Disney nowadays, is that they want to keep being "relevant" by "giving the people (cof cof snowflakes cof) what they want". They don't act like a serious company except when they're buying someone else studio or whatever. They lost the real reasons of making movies: ENTERTAINMENT and A GOOD STORY TO BE TOLD. This two come together. If they don't have one, automaticaly, (sorry, I'm mexican, I'm not very good at english) they have no one.
@@lolypop2946 the reason a mainstream company makes movies in a capitalist system is to make money. Giving people -- be they "snowflakes" or otherwise -- what they will pay money for is the only goal. Saying that a company "only wants to give people what they want" is exactly right because that's a company's purpose. It has never been different, it's just that the better quality works from the past are the ones that get remembered.
@@veryboredpug I put "snowflakes" instead of people 'cause, as we can see here and... literally everywhere (at least, that's my case) REAL people want a good story besides how great they make the woman, how inclusive or how transgresive is the context. Believe me , I know that what you are saying is right, I know how capitalism works. But, when you forget what make you great in first place (Disney movies-Quality-good scripts-fantasy and good stories) then, what can you expect? Persons aren't always right about what they want. That's why directors, film-makers and animator study for. To know HOW give the people a new vision and a new thing to tell. In the cinematic industry, you're always on risk, cause people could like your product or not, but I think it's better take the risk with a project made with passion, than just embrace the people statements and work by them. The greatest films didn't listen to people, people listen to the greates films. That's it.
Each time I see the "teaching a girl to read" moment in 2017 Beauty and the Beast, a small piece of me dies inside.
I think I could write better dialogue when I was 12.
I think a lot of people missed the point of the video. This comment sections is so odd...
From what I got from the video is saying that Disney is more than willing to add "strong" female "empowering" characters while mocking the traditional movies for having "stereotypical" or female characters who are "weak." Or something of that sort. But when it comes to racist characters or tropes in past movies they completely cut them out once they remake it. They do not try to acknowledge it. They do not try to improve upon it. They just pretend it doesn't exist and people were never racist.
Disney doesn't actually care about supporting females or fixing their offensive history. They only try to appeal to the masses and bring in more views to sell more products.
I hope that makes sense anyways.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Reminds me of both the Looney Tunes compilations where WB added a disclaimer acknowledging how these portrayals are no longer in line with cultural norms but censoring them out would be just as bad, as well as how Hangar 13 handled racism in Mafia III by portraying it as it is within the context of the game's story and time period. I'm all for progressivism and equality for everyone, but presentism and their "woke" policy isn't going to make Disney as a corporation any better, it just brings up their excesses even more.