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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2019
- So glad they finally made Jasmine a #girlboss.
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A quote from Warner Brothers:
"The cartoons you are about to see are products of their time. They may depict some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that were commonplace in American society. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. While the following does not represent Warner Bros. view of today's society, these cartoons are being presented as they were originally created, *because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming these prejudices never existed."*
Ironically, this was used for the DVD of a Speedy compilation. Speedy was thought to have been racist towards Mexicans, but they actually loved the mouse. However, the DVD contained the message anyways.
@@kaelisprime9087 i honestly do not see the irony in that
Honestly, this is fantastic.
@@joshmbrown42
How is it racist? Because they wanted to make a Mexican cartoon character that the Hispanics in the USA would like? Honestly, I'll never understand why people thought he was a racist character.
@@Zathren more a stereotype than race thing
The Little Mermaid remake is going to have at least some mentions of the trash in the ocean and you can't change my mind.
It's probably going to be about global warming too let's be real here
This is funny because it can be true,scary
If Aquaman squeezed it in you can bet Disney will too!!
Holy shit, Ariel is getting legs not for a man but to spread the word about "Contamination bad" isn't it?
Honestly on paper I don't have a problem with that since there is a lot of trash dumped into the ocean.. but this story takes place way before the 21st century and they're probably gonna mention it once and never again.
Releasing an animal that was raised entirely in captivity into the wild without proper rehabilitation program is actually a very stupid and cruel move, since that animal has no clue about where to look for food, what to avoid, in case of elephants, a highly social species, it has no idea how to communicate or behave with its entirely wild counterparts etc. A REAL smart move would be to put Dumbo and his mom in a sanctuary (or a zoo as a last resort), like it's done with retired circus animals nowdays.
I don't know if its still around, but there used to be a place like this for apes and the like here in the UK. It was a park that would rescue monkeys etc taken as pets, ones wounded, ones freed from testing facilities/poachers, and bring them into an environment where their ultimate goal was rehabilitation. Get them socialised with other members of the species, get them their medical care, get them back out. Of course, some where never released for a variety of different reasons, but the organisation was genuinely ethical and alleviated a lot of suffering *whilst* still serving as entertainment and education for the public
Wildlife conservationist here that has had experience with captive animals (even if my current job is actually me reading sound data for whales in the Ocean, but that’s another story)...
You are correct.
And it should also be noted that the message that “no Wild animal belongs in captivity” is a bad message too. There are dozens, maybe hundreds, of notable endangered animals that have been saved from extinction due to captive breeding programs.
There are some select few animals I think don’t belong in captivity, namely great apes (due to their social nature and intelligence, but I can let that slide since great apes are doing terribly in the wild) and cetaceans (with exceptions like Bottlenose dolphins), but my point still stands.
@@andrewheaney4874 My level of expertise only comes with watching a bunch of panda videos, but I'm glad that you brought up that statement too. Simply because the animal is wild doesn't mean you shouldn't call for a professional to help, or ask the professional to release it even if the animal is still undergoing problems. There's a whole reason why they're called professionals in animal care or zoology.
I'd also like to add the story of a couple who took a chimpanzee in and raised it like a human. If I could remember, that chimpanzee was eventually dropped to a rehab when she started being too aggressive for the household, and that chimp, once thrown in with a bunch of other horny monkeys, was terrified, distressed and confused by this sudden arrangement and has developed depression and existential crisis, because now she's forced to act like something she never thought she was. Thankfully she eventually coped with it, but literally just after two years, she died. They speculated that it was either poaching or homicide from another chimp, and it's honestly not far to imagine because chimpanzees are very aggressive, even to each other, and even if she's been socialising for two years, she was so inexperienced to save her own life that she really couldn't. And even if it was indeed a poacher, she was most likely shot because she's never encountered this problem.
@@carlbradley3175 Yes, I know what you're talking about. I think the discovery channel has a mini series about that ape sanctuary.
Hayao Miyazaki: “Many of my movies have strong female leads- brave, self-sufficient girls that don't think twice about fighting for what they believe with all their heart. They'll need a friend, or a supporter, but never a savior. Any woman is just as capable of being a hero as any man.”
Based also source ?
@@ujjwalmishra8962 It's a pretty well known quote, in response to Spirited Away, I believe. You can literally look up just part of the quote on Google and it'll pop up.
Miyazaki movies do be hitting different
Miyazaki always b poppin’ off, he’s an icon, and he is the moment
@@benedictdwyer2608 Now come on now
That’s the thing about the new Aladdin, jasmine has to tell you she’s strong and empowered, and in the original she just was strong and empowered
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 She never sold her body to anyone, you twit. She used what she had to get what she wanted... aka she was resourceful. Are you going to try saying being resourceful is a weak trait? By demeaning women's sexuality and however they choose to use it, you demean women. Sexuality isn't the only thing a woman can use but part of being strong and intelligent is knowing what tricks are in your arsenal and when and how to use them to your advantage. The old Jasmine didn't have a guard she could rouse into disobedience to Jafar like the new one did. Unlike the new Jasmine, she tried to use herself to fight the battle instead of calling on a guard (with a speech about loyalty, etc.) to do it for her. So, with this in mind, which one is the superior Jasmine? Which one is more brave? Which one is more proactive? Which one is more resourceful? Which one is stronger? Which is more admirable? The one who says something to try to get others to do something for them or the one who does that something themselves?
Haylla2008 if anything, JAFAR was the one trying to sell his body and then gain power by betrayal. Sure the guy looked like the slimiest of slimes, but that was indeed why he had that snake staff, to get around that.
@@golagiswatchingyou2966 Sure if, by agreeing with you and my feelings being affected in the slightest, you mean the exact opposite. But believe whatever makes you sleep better at night. I've surmised that's what people who don't know how to make a coherent argument usually decide to do in cases such as these.
One line in the original where Jasmine says "I am not a prize to be won" says a lot more than anything they were going for her character in the remake. Yes, even her song too.
Naomi Scott is an OK actress, but I hated what they did with Jasmine's character in the remake.
1) In the original, she wanted to marry out of love and not because of the law. This brought about a side we can sympathize with, while giving the story romance. In the remake, they gave her Jafar's role. She wants to be Sultan because she thinks she can do a better job than the current Sultan.
2) Her song. Jasmine is throwing aside guards, ripping down tapestries, all while saying how she won't be silenced. What does she do the next moment? Basically roll over and beg. This basically crushes the whole "feminine empowerment" flat. How cool would it have been if she had snatched one of the guards' sword and fought her way back to the throne room?
When WB rereleased some older Looney Tunes on DVD, they included a disclaimer that acknowledged that these cartoons were extremely racist, but they left them unaltered because "censoring them would be the same as pretending that bigotry isn't real."
That's some real self-awareness, right there.
I honestly respect that more than Disney going, "look at this classic trope -- isn't it stupid?" in a post-Shrek world.
That reminds me when people form the US tried to "cancel" speedy Gonzales, because it was offensive to Mexicans...ugh! I really hate this outrage culture!
Jonathan Sweet I respect that
Disney has released some of their older stuff on DVD with just that sort of commentary.
They're still funny today. People are too sensitive.
Mulan was empowering, she’s a smart, out of the box thinker who worked hard and saved China. It was the perfect movie that didn’t need a remake.
And the best part is that in original Mulan, she had flaws when training but she was able to overcome them with perceverance. But on the Mulan Remake, she was a robotic impossibly perfect human being that were better than everyone else from the start and easily overcoming any flaws of obstacles that she had. That's not a figure that little girls can mirror themselves in, it just feels like an impossible character that we can't inspire ourselves because they are already perfect. Now take spiderman as an example, probably the most famous superhero, he has flaws, struggles with his low paying job, and has his own problems that he manages to overcome, with hardships but he does it, that's a character that little boys AND girls can mirror themselves in, he becomes stronger learning from his mistakes, he's not an ultra perfect princess that nails everything from the beggining to show how GIRLS (and that's important, because little boys also liked watchin Mulan back then) and only girls are stronger than anyone else. Disney movies before could be watched by anyone and still be enjoyed, but nowadays is like having a lecture from an angry parent.
@@luvmypolly new Mulan is a Mary Sue and therefore an unattainable standard. Old Mulan is a mess and I strongly identify with that.
I loathe the Remake and the people who say that the OG was sexist.
Especially calling the amazing "I will make a men out of you" training sequence sexist and bad and cutting I out the original. :(
@@skylarjohnson7779 I completely agree.
@@Isabelle-hv6ny "Especially calling the amazing "I will make a men out of you" training sequence sexist and bad and cutting I out the original. :("
That scene is amazing PRECISELY because it's meant to be sexist (at least, that's how I see it; bear with me). The song basically says that you need to man up in order to be a soldier. And guess what? Mulan does not, and yet she vanquishes all her obstacles, by using her mind, heart and will, instead of mindless muscle.
It's almost as if, I don't know, the remake writers took that "man up" at face value, instead of delving even an inch into its meaning. Yeah, the remake is garbage.
I’ve come to notice that the problem “woke” people have with old movies is that they teach the “wrong” lesson. Like Cinderella, people don’t like that she doesn’t save herself, but the point of the movie isn’t about how to leave home and hopefully find some sort of job. It’s about staying strong and kind in a bad situation
Not to mention Cinderella is a story about Abuse, it shouldn't be her job to save herself and such.
@@asimhussain8716 No, what I'm saying it shouldn't be there JOB to do it on there own, they shouldn't HAVE to do it on there own
Agreed 100%
Even the _Cinderella_ live-action remake wouldn't be made today with a moral like that. Our institutions have literally come to believe that kindness and humility are insufficient and even condescending traits to uphold today. In the wake of George Floyd's murder, the national college-prep school network KIPP actually voted to remove their slogan "Be kind, work hard", for this very reason.
yes exactly she's a victim of abuse but she manages ,stays strong, settles for everything she's given and make the best out of those circumstances. the one thing i didn't like in the remake is her meeting the prince. it made it look like she only went there to meet the prince when in the animation she had no idea who the prince was etc and just wanted to go there for a little glimpse of freedom, a change of air. when people say she was dependant on the prince, it kind of frustrates because in reality her step family was dependant on her and the prince was only an enabler/plot device to make her situation better. also she's not supposed to save herself the point being that she's a victim of abuse.
Seeing as Studio Ghibli is often compared to Disney, I think it's safe to say that Miyazaki actually knows how to make empowered female heroines without constantly reminding us of how empowered she is. They just are, it's part of their characterization, nuff said.
In Princess Mononoke- the movie with the most badass and varied women- none of the women ever had to announce what strong independent women they were. If you are a strong independent women, you should never have to say it.
I wish I could like a comment more than once
Basically, Studio Ghibli heroines "show" what modern-day Disney heroines "tell"
@@SilverFireworks If you claiming you're the king, you're not the king.
And what's better is, Ghibli's female characters were still human. They had fears and emotions and motivation! they don't just walk around like emotionless planks of wood, acting like "this is me a strong woman, look how strong I am".
What have we learned?
Disney remakes are 60% woke, 30% GIRLBOSS, 10% low-key creepy realistic designs, and has 0% of the magic the originals did.
Nice
So Disney movies are a 110%?
Anne-Sofie Idk what math you’re doing but last I checked 60 + 30 + 10 + 0 = 100 So...
@@nombnomb5648 I tried making a dumb joke. Sorry for its dumbness lol.
Anne-Sofie lol I was trying to figure out how I could’ve done my math wrong haha
I'm getting fed up with the notion that every female character needs to be "a good role model for girls" or "empowering to women". It's almost as if sexism is supposed to be solved by having women/girls feel confident and not, y'know, by making radical systemic and cultural changes that enables this sexism in the first place
YEP
Pull Yourself Up By The -Boot- High Heel Straps, GirlBoss!
This is why I watch 30 Rock on repeat forever, and nothing else. I like my characters stupid and selfish.
The former is easy. The latter is hard. People prefer easy solutions too often. And corps especially aren't going to push for major changes; if they push too hard, people might stop spending money!
Its a movie. Save to say, they don't want to "fix feminism". They want to get people in movie theater seats and appeal to other focus groups etc.
People always seem to forget the "Few bad apples" phrase is longer than that.
"A few bad apples *spoils the bunch*"
@@orionkeenan6247 i mean, a few bad apples does spoil the whole bunch
@@imperial2252 yeah, i mean... you can't NOT make rot spread if untreated.
@@imperial2252 But people often say as if "a few bad apples" is insignificant, as in "oh, it's just a few bad apples. Leave them alone." when the entire phrase is indicating that "a few bad apples" is NOT, in fact, insignificant.
Also shouldn’t packing factories sort out the good apples from the bad and throw the bad ones away
I hate the whole “Strong Independent woman” and “Not like other girls” tropes cause it literally is telling girls that being feminine is something bad or is some kind of weakness
That is one of the reasons I loved Alita over Captain Marvel. Alita was strong yes, but also very feminine. Meamwhile captain Marvel basically acts like a toxic male with girl power music playing in the background.
Everything second wave is new again :D
YEEEEEEES
Agreed. And it's always so half-assed too. "Being traditionally feminine is weak and dumb and bad! Be a #girlboss instead! But only if you're skinny and conventionally attractive. Being too unattractive is also dumb and bad." In the end it's all about playing to the center enough that you don't alienate potential customers.
Exactly! It's almost like people have become so afraid of femininity that if a female lead isn't "not like other girls", then suddenly they're a bad role model for women.
The thing I always complain about in these "woke" movies is the fact that continuously TELL us a female character is strong and empowering.
She's a strong character? Fine! Stop TELLING us that she's a strong character and SHOW US! That's the whole point of a movie. SHOW US, don't TELL US.
The fact that they keep TELLING that message reveals that they don't actually believe it. A truly empowering movie would start with the unsaid assumption that strong female characters commonly exist, and never waste a second trying to prove it. This is why we get so many boring female characters, whose only role it to be an "inspiration to all the girls out there". How about some interesting characters of all genders with meaningful human flaws?
Just imagine the case where you keep telling your daughter "you are NOT less capable than any of the boys!" Probably it didn't even cross her mind in the first place, but now you put that idea in her head. It's like when out of the blue someone tells you that you are most definitely NOT in danger. Now you are suddenly afraid. Similarly, the term "girl power" immediately reveals that it is not actual power, otherwise it would be just called "power".
Tbh the thing that also kinda bugs me - these "strong female leads" are always fighting. Always behaving like bad bitches or something. Some are rude for no reason just for sake of being "strong". They're always trying to say that "strong females" are the ones who behave stereotypically manly, when they're not. You can wear nice dresses, sing and dance, being someone's wife or mother and still be a strong character, what's wrong with it? You can even be weak physically and still be a strong character? You can be shy and quiet or overall behave stereotypically feminine and still be a strong character?
Show don't tell seems to be a lost lesson
@@anna84259 It's like being a strong female character requires conflict, anti social behaviour and generally being a cunt.
This link; www.wagerbop.com/whats-different-between-weight-classes-ufc/ shows some stats about UFC and the difference between weight classes. Watching a movie with some 5'2" chick carving through 20 6'2"goons each with a good 30-40 pounds on her? Ok, that's fine coz Jet Li or Donny Yen could do it without anyone rolling their eyes but that's because they aren't in high heels and skin tight leather pants.
Making more believable characters is not really going to meet with the approval of the feminist agenda though I imagine. #vaginapower!
Am I the only one who thinks that acting like being a "strong independent woman" and being "rescued by a prince" are two mutually exclusive things is harmful? I swear that now society is doing to the girls what they used to do to the boys. Nowadays everyone acknowledgdes how harmful and stupid it was to teach boys that showing emotions and any sign of weakness is bad and on the other hand we want to teach little girls that depending on someone they trust and love in hard situations is wrong?
It's really disappointing that they seemingly care a lot about attempting to write strong women into their movies but treat actual women and POC horribly and don't value them as much in the actual work place.
I'm not entirely sure that they actually care deeply about writing in strong female characters; I think it has a lot more to do with capitalizing on current cultural climate for profit, more than anything else. When you look at how little effort or thought seems to go into the writing of these female characters, it seems like they're just doing the bare minimum in order to placate. There's a profound sense of shallowness and laziness their efforts. It's insulting to people's intelligence.
@@donnydogpiss4533 FACTS
That's because they're completely aware that they are discriminatory, and are attempting to be woke in order to hide their true colors as racist, homophobic, anti-Semitic, and sexist scumbags who will never amount to anything.
@@donnydogpiss4533all companies are capitalist conglomerates and will latch on to any current trend to make a buck,I don't know why y'all keep giving only Disney flack for doing what all capitalist conglomerates do?
A corporation isn't a monolith. It has no singular consciousness. The writers probably actually do care, but the people in charge of low-paid Disneyland staff don't, even if they all work for the same umbrella company.
Does Disney not realize that Jasmine was already a badass? and not cause she was some woke feminist or something but because she was the first princess to subvert the Disney Princess tropes? Adding that big fEmAlE eMpOwErMeNt song does nothing because she's never once shown in either movie being in danger of being silenced or spoken for (and it's so fucking funny how she gets captured right after).
You want to know what annoys me most about that song? It's all done her her head...TWICE! It was already a pointless song to add in because as you said Jasmine was already awesome and that was never an issue for her, but to sing a song about not sitting silent in your head? That is just a complete waste of time and negates the entire purpose of even doing it to begin with. Animation Jasmine would never.
I love her but my favorite Disney heroines are Esmeralda and Mulan
Same with Mulan. She was already a bad-ass to begin with. Sadly, Disney ruined her in live-action remake.
Can't wait to see Hollywood and Disney go bankrupt... We need a new decentralized Hollywood.
I liked new jasmine more. She didn’t kiss jafar infront of Aladdin in the new movie
ehh I mean Princess Jasmine was also incredibly sexualized for absolutely no reason. I don’t think that you should be calling a pedophilic and orientalist character empowering.
Disney also seems to pander to the LGBT community as well. They always advertise about having a gay character when really it's only either one small mention of said character's romantic partner or a five second kiss in the background of the scene. Both, may I add, can be easily edited out so Disney can make money in countries that are against gay rights.
It's Just Kyle I’m making a story about some lgbt characters existing and vibing and (hopefully when I’m an adult) not caring about who doesn’t wanna watch it coz gay. That probably made zero sense.
I think that's been nicknamed queerbaiting?
Can we stop calling entire countries homophobic and learn to make a disctinction between the citizens and their government driving the media censorship?
radiobob
It’s obviously not the whole country, the op was probably talking about the government in certain countries.
It's Just Kyle exactly! one of the worst examples to me is in the star wars sequels. there were so many fans that wanted finn and poe to be a canon couple since they had such great chemistry. instead of listening to their fans and making two main characters gay, they decided to put a three second gay kiss between two random characters in episode 9 in order to be “woke”. i hope they have a well-done lgbtq+ character eventually.
if they want to successfully sweep their "problematic past" under the rug they should stop making these remakes in the first place. Just make new stories, better ones, with the messages that they now want to stand for
That would require taking risks and being creative, neither of which Disney is too keen on.
@@Neonach That's a problem in Hollywood in general. Disney certainly but then you have all the 80s franchise sequels (terminator, rambo, top gun). The Marvel and DC movies. Remakes of movies that aren't even that old (Grudge). The list goes on and on
Well, I don't see problems with their past.
@@Gyvulys For the time it’s was impossible to not to have problems as they had certain beliefs back then. Now we know those actually hurt certain groups of people and want others to not fix but be more mindful off when telling stories. Just because you can’t see the problems does not mean they aren’t there.
What annoys me about modern movies as a young filmmaker myself is the way women are written in general. They either are totally weak and cry all the time, or they are written in a way to be badass, don‘t show any emotions and are naturally gifted. Like,…. we women are humans. We make mistakes and we have to grow too. Why can‘t movies portrait girls in a way where they aren‘t perfect but develope overtime? Like a normal human being?
because when they do they’re often put down as ‘annoying’ or ‘stupid’ because somehow main characters have to be perfect all the time whilst also getting top notch character development
I started "Killing Eve" a week ago and I was amazed how well everybody but especially the two main women were written. They are so human
@@Isabelle-hv6ny Ah, cool! Never heard about that movie, but I will give it a shot ☺️
@@itsciver It's a series from the BBC😉 I binged two seasons (8 Episodes à 40 min per season) in under two weeks.
@@Isabelle-hv6ny Uhh 😍 Sounds promising!
at the end of the original Mary Poppins, the kids choose the love of their father and the simple act of flying a kite over the fantastic magic that Poppins can do. That love is better than any magic. End of Returns? "We're flying about, magic is great, isn't magic the best??"
I actually liked both movies!
Holy crap you just made me realize why Returns didn’t land for me as much
"It feels like commentary, but it's commentary that doesn't _say_ anything."
That has to be the most concise summary of the whole live-action remake ordeal.
Your goddamn right.
That’s not their fault. YOU try inserting commentary into something which was never designed to have commentary. It can be unsurprisingly difficult.
@@Shadowkey392 If "say something" is too hard, they could very well go with the other option lumi7890 offered.
Girl boss paint is, for the majority of a general audience, palatable and inoffensive. Legitimate critique of systemic sexism, racism, etc. is threatening, disorienting, and possibly alienating. Big corporate entities like Disney have little incentive to tell stories that seek to undermine existing power structures. Interesting commentary is inherently going to be more divisive.
@@TheSongwritingCat Is "girl boss paint" any different from "princess paint"? I agree with what you're saying to an extent. But we know the "princess paint" worked at reinforcing those gender stereotypes and images of patriarchal ideas of "femininity". These are broad strokes not nuanced detail. If we want that has Disney ever been the place to go? So the question is does shifting to "girl boss paint" ultimately help in where we want to go in addressing these systemic issues?
I often wonder whether we get dragged into the "girl boss" is bad. Because that's what that Patriarchal mindset wants us to. While ironically calling for some nuanced complex character that communicates feminist ideas. But if Disney is propaganda (historically and now) then this is what you get. Simple, clear and two dimensional characters that appeal to children. "Girl boss" isn't bad.
I do fear how Ellis is using the term woke. And while maybe in honest faith it's a voice among many who aren't. Who have a very "unwoke" agenda. That's not to say she shouldn't critique or analyse these films, but it's a good idea to be very careful how you frame/structure it.
Did they leave out the part where Dumbo and his mother starve to death because they don't know how to live in a jungle?
Well they can't do that because that would admit there was something wrong with this woke message. And heaven forbid any movement, progressive as it might be, could find missteps because of inadequacies of the human condition regardless of gender, sexuality or race.
True story. Read what happened when they actually decided to “free Willy”
@@katesteventon5296 i know😢
@@katesteventon5296 So tragically ironic. But at least, Willy tasted true freedom before he died.
Of course they didn't show, because the movie was over.
This is the good kind of Disney criticism. Not "Hur hur gotcha, the magic has plot holes" but "Let's look at the actual issues ingrained in the material and what the material actually MEANS."
I mean some people enjoy looking at plot holes even when they don't matter because it can kidna be fun tbh
Not to be That Person, but hyenas actually have a female leader in the wild, so animal lovers who know a lot of animal facts got really excited about that change in the movie. It was kind of like "Oh, hey! That's accurate, that's neat" sort of thing
Disney Writers: *looking back and forth nervously* "Oh yeah... we knew that... that is totally what we meant..."
Fair point, but it's not like that was Disney's intention, as far as I know
Nico di Angelo I agree, and I wouldn’t be surprised if there was some intention for that awful remake to cater to (or more likely, pander to) people who know a lot about animals in Africa. Part of that is what you mention, as well as the inclusion of animals that weren’t in the original, like Aardvarks, Thomson’s gazelles, Banded mongooses, Bat-eared foxes, etc. as well as using actual animal noises in the sound design. The latter I’ll actually commend the movie for, specifically for using actual Spotted hyena noises. But the former kinda backfired, especially when they showed exclusively nocturnal animals like Aardvarks in broad daylight.
And to add insult to injury, as someone who has studied abroad in the plains of Kenya and Tanzania and seen most of the animals protrayed in The Lion King (2019), that remake does a terrible job being visually appealing. Africa is beautiful, and that remake is freaking ugly!
Seriously, the only semi-positive things I can say about that terrible remake are the animation (even though it lacks any personality whatsoever) and the sound design. Everything else is terrible.
In all fairness, Shenzi was a leader in the original film. Sure she got in on the laughs with Banzai and Ed but she also pretty much kept them in line.
"Look at you guys! No wonder we're dangling at the bottom of the food chain."
Hyena clits are usually bigger than hyena penises. If that isn't some girlboss shit I don't know what is.
"There is no war in Ba Sing Se"
Disney on racism.
Paul Cory yup
@@melize7035 we have always been at war with eurasia
Who cares about what some perceive as racism? Yeah that movie had some black crows. That's racist somehow?
@@Gyvulys Ooooof
@@Gyvulys It´s been a while since I´ve seen it, so tell me if I´m misremembering, bit weren´t the crows super helpful and didn´t portray any negative stereotypes?
Disney doesn't need to replace its 'bad' movies with 'good' versions of those movies. It just needs to start making good movies.
Why invest millions of dollars into a brand new property that has no guarantee of succeeding when you can invest that same millions of dollars into a subpar remake/sequel that will at the very least get nostalgia money?
@@GoddoDoggo business-wise, of course it makes perfect sense to do what they're doing! they're a company, and i don't blame them for making money in a safe way. my little optimistic heart would just like to see more original content in the classic disney style.
Disney doesn't need to bother trying to make good movies anymore. "Artemis Fowl" for example had a great book yet Disney ruined the story because they knew they could w/out any reprecussions
@@Andre_APM like i said, business wise it makes sense for them to put minimal effort in. i just wish they'd try to make good movies because of their integrity! that's all!
Eleanor Waldock same here , I miss the classics
Jasmine: "I've been preparing for this all my life"
Also Jasmine: does not know how money works.
Jasmin's "I won't be silent" song, followed by her being captured is so unintentional self-parody, that the only way you could possibly intentionally parody it would be to have Jafar break into the middle of the song, slap her in the face, and shout, "Bitch, shut up!"
Jafar bustin' in like The Rock talking to Triple H.
lmao yeah it's literally the worse, unintentional version of Twisted's commentary on the original, which is kinda close to the "bitch shut up" example you provided
There's a moment like that in Book of Lufe, too, and it's the worst...
How hard is to make a likeable "empowered" female character, Shrek did it fine with Fiona.
I think there are those who no matter what will always think the empowered female character is “woke”. I can only imagine what previous female characters from the last 30 years would have been perceived by today’s critique.
Too bad Shrek isn't Disney.
@@victoriaodegaard1 Nobody said it was. And I think that was part of the point OP was making.
@@PittsburghSonido I don't think that's true. It's all about how the characters are delivered. Fans love modern strong heroines like Wonder Woman, Scarlet Witch, Katniss Everdeen, etc. because they're organically written and don't exist simply to push a political message. Most of the heavily critiqued "strong female" characters, like Rey or Captain Marvel, are marketed as such, with the actors and studios bringing their gender up constantly and using it as a defense against critics, e.g. "You just hate strong women." That's what most disgruntled fans are reacting to.
Toph and katara in atla
Dumbo's original plot: Being different isn't bad, you can always find something that makes you unique.
Dumbo's live action plot: Animal cruelty isn't okay.
It's as if the Germans made a movie set during WW2 and completely overlooked the Holocaust. Actually, it's as if the LEAD CHARACTER was a well-respected Jew.
Even though the original already had that point made in addition to the overall lesson.
@@pranavlimaye
Huh?? Wtf. PeopIe seem to like anything these days that has the subtext “Nazis bad.” 🙄
Live action is real world, real world should end that dumbo die for animal abusing.
But it's true tho, animal cruelty isn't okay
The Mulan remake really was the culmination of egregious woke-posturing. They tried making it more “authentic to the culture” by... including a witch and magic???
Mulan is one of China’s many great stories just like Wukong. It’s been done and adapted hundreds of times by China.
Disney tried to market itself to a market that has done a culturally accurate take way better and proceeded to alienate itself from the people who felt connected to Mulan’s plight and enjoyed the singing along the way in the west.
Mulan is my favorite Disney movie, and to see it butchered really sucks.
As A practitioner of Chinese Folk Magic I found it deeply offensive. It did nothing to represent and simply left everything worse than they found it.
The thing is, the director of the Mulan remake had already made an awesome empowering unexpected-girlboss movie set in a traditional non-white cultural setting. Check out Whale Rider. So good!
Doesn't help they shot several parts of the film at or near concentration camps and the lead actress mocked the people fighting against the HK police. And then turn around and fire James Gunn for some pedophile jokes that were in no way grounds for firing.
I couldn’t even watch the remake, Mulan is also one of my favorite Disney movies💜
@@SmoothCriminal12 what did the HK police do
The worst they could possibly get is with Mulan 2020, where they practically used cultural accuracy and wokeism to shield themselves from criticism, while failing to provide any actual cultural respect or representation. And it resulted in a shit movie.
@@luvmypolly This indeed happened. The actress who played Mulan is also a hard activist for police brutality.
@@TheQuashingoftheTub the actors opinions don't matter to the movie mayun
@@ussinussinongawd516 I'm pretty sure she used her role as Mulan to promote her views, so she _made_ it matter to the movie.
@@ussinussinongawd516 They do.
And it was wasn't even culturally accurate. It was worse than the original 😂
The youtuber Xiran Jay Zhao just created a RUclips channel to roast the remake and it's inaccuries(I highly recommend it)
Making Jasmine like that in the remake destroys the dynamic between her and Aladdin. Originally Aladdin wanted the palace life while Jasmine was trying to get out of it. Now it's just a mess.
Yeah but when she sings she can dust people like Thanos
@@videogamenostalgia idk of its just me but her singing kinda sucks to me. At least for that power ballad
The most obvious example of Disney's lack of acknowledgment of race was how they reacted to racism against John Boyega and Kelly Marie from Star Wars. They didn't. They made Finn a side character and wrote Rose out of the movie because of people's reaction towards those characters and never once defended their actors against racist comments.
Nine months after TROS and I'm still mad about that among many other things wrong with that trainwreck of a trilogy. Five years and over $30 I will never get back.
Or the posters in china where black actors are removed.
What should Disney have done to respond to the racism?
If they came forward with a press release or something they'd just be criticized for "being all talk."
@@jbvader721 I routinely come to RUclips to find people to vent with in the comments. Hi random stranger I hated it too
I was always annoyed at Finn's treatment, but I though everyone hated Rose because she was just a bad character? At least, that's all I've seen.
Take Mulan as an example... The best part is that in original Mulan, she had flaws when training but she was able to overcome them with perceverance and commitment. But on the Mulan Remake, she was a robotic impossibly perfect human being that were better than everyone else from the start and easily overcoming any flaws of obstacles that she had. That's not a figure that little girls can mirror themselves in, it just feels like an impossible character that we can't inspire ourselves because they are already perfect. Now take spiderman as an example, probably the most famous superhero, he has many flaws, struggles with his low paying job, it's still trying to figure out life and who he is, and has his own problems that he fights to overcome, with many hardships but he eventually does it, that's a character that little boys AND girls can mirror themselves in, he becomes stronger learning from his mistakes, he's not an ultra perfect princess that nails everything from the beggining to show how GIRLS (and that's important, because little boys also liked watching Mulan back then) and only girls are stronger than anyone else. Disney movies before could be watched by anyone and still be enjoyed, but nowadays is like having a lecture from an angry parent.
What makes the new "Mulan" even worse is that the young female character that IS somewhat relatable (since she doesn't have magical superpowers) is her little sister... who ends up becoming the good, traditional wife. So, the movie essentially tells people: "As a woman, you can be anything you want! If you have magic, that is. Otherwise, you better stay at home, get married and be a housewife. Because that's the role of regular women, and they should be happy that they can do that!"
I actually don't object to the fact that a female-empowerment-movie also has the message that being a mother and housewife can be fullfilling and something some women might want. So, the bad thing isn't, that Mulan's sister is happy with that role in her life. The problem is, that in combination with how they show Mulan herself, her sister becomes the only other young female character who is looking for her place in that society. And if you show Mulan as being an equal to men ONLY BECAUSE she has these magical superpowers, and show the "regular" girl being happy with her traditional role, the message of the movie gets significantly worse.
This is the result of a false state of utopia common in today's social sphere. The issues of the past have been corrected and now everyone lives in a more progressive future. Racism? Equality. Misogony? Empowerment. Oppressed? Rights. Everything once bad has been corrected, so, there's no need to even think about it! Bad practises, bad traditions, bad people no longer exist! We don't even have to "feel" bad, and if anything makes anyone feel bad, then get rid of it! The world is more perfect than ever before so why would anyone need to struggle anymore, right? Our world is perfect and we are perfect! There's no longer a need for a hero with human faults to show us how to conquer personal hardships or struggles. Get with the perfect times people..
"Was the entirety of Bollywood busy?"
Yes Lindsay, the entirety of Bollywood was busy making their own remakes of old Bollywood songs into the worst auto tuned garbage you have ever heard in your life.
Omg yes i agree. Its ridiculous
The remixes?? Ah yes, what this medium-quality 80s tune needs is teChNoBeaTs
Bruh, Bollywood is no different to Hollywood. Nollywood from Nigeria is better
As a Millenial,I remember when 90s remixes happened and our parents were furious. I know how they feel now. Stop remixing songs..
@@tiruliru1189 this is the first time i've ever seen someone say nollywood is better than bollywood lol
'I've been training my whole life to run this country and be Sultan'. The FIRST THING we see her do is steal bread and not understand why someone would take an issue with it since she stole it for a child. She has NO IDEA about the very basics of her country's economy. She would be a terrible Sultan.
I know right, like you're the princess of this kingdom, can't you just pay for the bread
well you see, it is the petite bourgeoisie that are the real problem (sarcasm)
In the original her motive was to just be free from suiters and her lifestyle and be like anybody else. she was the opposite of aladdin. She wanted to have her own choices and what she wanted, not because she was a woman or wanted to be sultan She wanted to be independent for herself but happend to fall in love with aladdin along the way. Its almost like Disney didn't even watch their own movies.
Team Starkid's "Twisted" pulled that off so much better. Without going into spoiler territory, Jasmine does some self-reflecting and realizes her position in society gives her the power to make things better for _everyone_ and not just for herself.
Belle inventor and Jasmine Sultan are nothing more than decorations that lead nowhere
21:08 All I could think of was that scene from Up where Carl's house falls from the blimp and he says "You know, it's just a house." Like, remember when Disney movies had messages about possessions NOT being the most important things in your life?
Hi
Or like my parents and I
First you and Sarah Z, now you're here? Since when were you BreadTube-adjacent?
Seeing your comment here is a surprise to be sure, but a welcome one at that!
THAT WAS DISNEY'S MISTAKE
The Little Mermaid Woke™️ is gonna be about Ariel throwing her dinglehoppers at Eric’s boat and becoming human in order to initiate a campaign against ocean garbage in the 15th century
LOL she sticks the fork in his thigh and swims off
That Aladdin remake looks like a high school production
you’re right and you should say it
i liked it will smith was good
You’re right dibwuwgsgw
They made a horrible movie but people still watched it because
1. Disney
2. Will Smith
2. Will Smith
3. Did I mention Will Smith
4. The genie played by Will Smith
Disney: "We're meta now!"
Everyone: "Yes, but are you critiquing what you're being meta about?"
Disney: " ~ *M E T A* ~ "
Disney making jazz hands
_metaaaaa_
Disney: We’re self aware guys please like us.
QuesoCookies more like Mehta
I'm meta like me
@brandon roberts Not even the bare minimum, but actively offending anyone who isn't woke.
"Any time someone draws attention to the fact that they're breaking a gender stereotype, it ultimately undermines the concept of gender equality by indicating that this is an exception and not the status quo." -Knuckles the Echidna
The Dimensioneer lol did knuckles really say that?
@@BM-ft2hg Apparenlty so O.o
The Sonic Boom Tv show has a fair few of them. Though that point is somewhat undermined by his next line which is something along the lines of - "What? Just because I'm a meat-head doesn't mean I can't be a feminist!"
Main man
YES.
Omg I’ve never been able to put this into words. Thank you!
I definitely put Alice in Wonderland and Maleficent on a different level than the other remakes because they actually tried to be different and tell their own story, regardless of how successful they were. The Jungle Book is the only straight-remake that I enjoyed because of its ending, which fixed the "stick with your own kind" message of the original (plus it actually had a cohesive plot that has set up and pay off)
I never saw the orginal sleeping beauty. But I did enjoy Maleficent
Baron Von Jo both Maleficent and Sleeping Beauty are very different movies but they’re both good in their own ways. I’d very much recommend Sleeping Beauty if you want something that’s simply emotional, beautiful and powerful. It’s very reliant on classic archetypes, but it knows it is and does those archetypes well. With a deliciously unapologetic villain as well.
They were literally doing a better job of female representation in the 90s
"The monarchy isn't bad, it just needs a woman CEO!"
Nailed it.
@AAnd The quote is ironic.
lemme see the ceo of monarchy
RUclips
Which is why Big Liz has the longest reign in history.
Or just someone who cares about it's people like Jasmine.
I kinda like the way Warner Bros post this disclaimer about their past cartoons like Looney Tunes that were filled with racial stereotypes:
"The cartoons you are about to see are products of their time. They may depict some of the ethnic and racial prejudices that were commonplace in American society. These depictions were wrong then and are wrong today. While the following does not represent the Warner Bros. view of today’s society, these cartoons are being presented as they were originally created, because to do otherwise would be the same as claiming that these prejudices never existed."
It shows about them admitting their company's and people's history instead of white washing that Disney is trying to do right now.
EXACTLY!!!!!!
Let's not forget that Finn was practically removed from the chinese star wars posters.
@Radio Star Would've made the sequels a lot better that's for sure.
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“Disney are you ever going to tackle your incredibly troubling relationships with supporting monarchy, colonialism, racism, and the idea that some people are just born superior to other people?”
Disney: ... uh... hey, HEY, Y’ALL SEEN BELLE CLIMB OUT A WINDOW
Lindsay Ellis: *thinks about Disney*
Disney: *blinks*
RUclips: *De-monetized*
Hey, it isn't like she made a video with "war" in the title!
Project Veritas!
Lindsay: 8:41
Disney:
"This channel has been removed due to multiple violations of our community guidelines."
It actually started to load an ad for me before skipping straight to the video instead xD
Good thing she get sponsored at least :3
Disney was arguably more woke when it wasn't trying to be. It's like Taoism: do not try, and you shall achieve. Try, and you shall make Dumbo.
Yeah, but Disney is not trying to be woke per se. They just realize that specific types of wokeness will increase their profits, that's it. What do taoists say about trying to achieve something for the wrong reasons?
To a company like Disney, "Wokeness", "Bigotry", "Feminism" and "Mysogyny" all have one thing in common: If you can properly tap into all of them, all of them yield money.
Absolutely. I think "Lilo & Stitch" has some of the best "strong female" characters and no one is wielding a weapon and despite prominently featuring non-white characters it doesn't make some cynical plea to appeal to progressivism. In other words, they were fully fleshed out characters and not a coat rack to hang mock liberalism from in order to sell tickets.
Agreed. 90s Mulan is going to be ten times more woke than the remake will because 90s Mulan wasn't trying so goddamn hard.
@@trucutru3 In Taoism, giving reasons to your actions (good or bad) is like giving names to everything you see.
Here's chapter 29 of the Tao Te Ching:
Trying to control the world? I see you won't succeed.
The world is a spiritual vessel And cannot be controlled. Those who control, fail. Those who grasp, lose.
Some go forth, some are led, Some weep, some blow flutes, Some become strong, some superfluous, Some oppress, some are destroyed.
Therefore the Sage Casts off extremes, Casts off excess, Casts off Extravagance.
I think a lot of people missed the point of the video. This comment sections is so odd...
From what I got from the video is saying that Disney is more than willing to add "strong" female "empowering" characters while mocking the traditional movies for having "stereotypical" or female characters who are "weak." Or something of that sort. But when it comes to racist characters or tropes in past movies they completely cut them out once they remake it. They do not try to acknowledge it. They do not try to improve upon it. They just pretend it doesn't exist and people were never racist.
Disney doesn't actually care about supporting females or fixing their offensive history. They only try to appeal to the masses and bring in more views to sell more products.
I hope that makes sense anyways.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Reminds me of both the Looney Tunes compilations where WB added a disclaimer acknowledging how these portrayals are no longer in line with cultural norms but censoring them out would be just as bad, as well as how Hangar 13 handled racism in Mafia III by portraying it as it is within the context of the game's story and time period. I'm all for progressivism and equality for everyone, but presentism and their "woke" policy isn't going to make Disney as a corporation any better, it just brings up their excesses even more.
The Mulan remake was one of the greatest atrocities of the decade.
@@prakhar__shukla yes but it's not Disney. You mean the Amazon one right?
@@prakhar__shukla The newest Cinderalla was no where NEAR as hideous as Mulan. Not even close.
@@prakhar__shukla aside from the fact that it's not Disney. The new cinderella is just dumb
Mulan 2020 on the other hand, is an in outright insult to everything that made the original mulan what it is. They somehow managed to do everything they could've done wrong
I think the biggest problem here is that Disney is essentially raising a whole generation telling them that something is bad... without actually explaining why.
And if you don’t explain why, you’re basically condemning the next generation to make the same mistakes.
So its that hitler episode from south park
"Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness....and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." -G. Santayana Erasing history maintains comfortable profit margins and compliant consumers though, so... all good? /s
That is a lot of responsibility for an entertainment company. What do you think they should do about it? Because I have no initial ideas on my end
Katie.L Hall If that’s a lot of responsibility for one entertainment company then they shouldn’t have bought all the others
@@artemiswolf4508 I know your response was not an aggressive one.
but damn, you just shitted on 'em lol
There is no racism in ba sing se
But they do have a very oppressive class system ;)
Too bad the rest of us live in na sing se
Oop my notifications are weird so I just saw these now but
💖💖💖💖💖 y'all rock
I understood that reference and it made my day
@@joshuasavage1128 There is no oppressiveness in ba sing se... There is no oppressiveness in ba sing se... There is no oppressiveness in ba sing se
I like how you are like “but now it’s empowering”
Then belle gets hit in the face with a snowball
That was the best timing ever
You know,the funny thing is,realistically speaking Dumbo and his mom wouldn't be released into the wild! It's proven animals coming from circuses cannot return into the wild,they would die cause they don't know how to act in their natural environment. They would've end up in either a zoo or sanctuary (some zoos are both)
Still unrealistic in the 1910's I guess? But that's what would happen lol
Small edit: I do like Speechless as a song. It is a good song that in my opinion it isn't just about "girl power",tons of people get silenced and don't want to be,it is a decent song and I like it. The message is a bit unnecessary in that context cause Jasmine was already a good female character but eh good song
well I think dumbo could survive in the wild because he can fly
@@meowdonkey5811 that doesn't help if you don't know what's edible
Sexism,racism, homophobia didn’t exist, ever.
- Disney 2019
ECKohns you make a good point. It’s like when someone says, ( I don’t even see colour) you know that’s a lie. So just admit it, we do see each other differently.
Or you know they just make fun stuff for kids and not every goddamn thing needs to be "mature" or "chalanging"
"And then he wasn't racist... anymore."
The thing is disney really doesn't give a shit about gay representation. Think about it, what other major marginalized demographic had not gotten a disney pic in their reawokening? The reason why is that if they would ever make an LGBT movie it would be banned in China (no ghosts no gays policy). If that's not proof they never cared I don't know what is.
Also yes I'm paraphrasing YMS choke me.
oh, no, homophobia's still on the table for them lmao
To use feminisim as a selling point to go see a movie comletely misses the point of female empowerment.
Disney: Trying to cater to girls by creating feminists unlikable, bland and cringe characters
Girls: Uninterested due to unlikable, bland and cringe plots and characters
Disney: *Confused screaming*
Also Disney: keeps doing the same thing
I agree they use the girl boss think to sell toys
@@ReIigionlsForIdiots Her point was to show how disney adressed fake critisism of animal cruelty, instead of the actual critisism of racism in dumbo, which people actually had. She wanted to point out that Disney does not want people to think about their movies in a manner they don't like. She herself said that you could say that the racism was a product of its time, she just critisizes the way the racism was not adressed to a point where they even whitewashed the feather.
@@ReIigionlsForIdiots How High are you dude? Were all on the same page here. Plus Lindsay is literally saying what your saying. Old Dumbo had racism in it. New Dumbo was supposed to bring that infamous racist part back, but do it in a woke and self aware way to redeem Disney's racist past. But they didnt do it. The one thing that people wanted to see redone Disney would rather still act like it still never existed even tho they acknowledged it happened. Thats the problem right there. They instead made a message on animal cruelty instead the racist themes. All the sjws loved the movie for its animal cruelty message because they forgot about the racist part. The literal racism that got sjw's mad in the first place gets completley replaced by the next set of jiggly slacktivism keys which is just buttered up animal cruelty rhetoric. These social justice warriors that our leading this epic battle are drooling idiots that just likes to yell at people and not offer any solutions to problems. They just want to scream to hear themselves then they give themselves a pat on the back for doing fucking nothing. The fact these sjws are supporting disney who own sweatshops is beyond me. Walt was a nazi. Disney perpetuated the idea women are useless without a man. They dont pay their workers liveable wages yet making the most money of any company ever right now plus the unchecked monopoly disney has. Jesus I think Im high now
@@ReIigionlsForIdiotsHow are you missing the point? Did you watch the whole video? There's constant examples on Disney focusing on EVERYTHING except racial and such matters. In Dumbo for example, yes it's a movie about a circus and racism doesn't fit, why did they mention Dumbo getting drunk/high? And purposely REMOVED very loved characters, because they had no intention of adressing the racism. She mentions a lot of other similar examples in the video.
You're missing the whole point of the video. She's talking about how Disney is acting like they're "fixing" their past problems and "making the world a better place", yet all they do is ignore a lot of iconic things but at the same time force "woke" things in the movies, just to please people who complain (only on surface level) and gain more money.
You know the really sad part? Bad-faith creeps will aim the “woke Disney” criticism at anything that so much as happens to include a woman.
Will you look at that, it's Critical Drinker's MO
@@kostajovanovic3711 hey, it’s a bad-faith burn.
“Underage” or not, Dumbo had a pretty low tolerance for alcohol considering his body mass.
Elephant have in general a very low tolerance to alcohol.
@@leroyblue4955 that implies someone was dumb enough to feed animals alcohol
Man, all these elephants are weakkkk!!!! They’re fucking BABIES
Those clowns definutely spiked that drink with acid
22 minutes in.
“These movies don’t need to exist.”
Pretty much sums it up there.
That really could be said about any movie or entertainment product in general, especially the entertainment that we don't personally like.
I agree but like that goes with everything ever lmao
No movie "needs to exist". I'm sorry, I know that comes off as a cop-out excuse but hear me out:
Toy Story 4 was a movie that everyone was moaning and freaking out about how "it didn't need to exist". Even I wasn't sold on the idea, when first hearing about it, and was still rather skeptical even with the promise that they weren't just doing it for money and that it made Tom Hanks and Tim Allen cry. Maybe it was essentially greenlit for money despite the creators' good intentions, and maybe the movie gets worse the more thought you apply to it.
But for me, when it came out, I was in such a state of despair and stress, that I felt like one that I needed to do to help cure me is take a trip to the movie theatre to see something that gave me a fun time. And that's what Toy Story 4 did. It livened me up for the time being. And sometimes, that's all a movie needs to do, even if the rest of the makers try too hard to "justify" the existence of something that is ultimately perceived as a soulless cash grab.
I don't say this to try and come off as some sort of "Disney apologist", I'm just trying to say that if you don't think their content is good anymore, you can always go watch something else, like an Indie film. If you don't like capitalism, maybe it's time to go support socialism.
and you think your opinion is matter?
Jk channel “My opinion IS matter?” What does that even mean?!
Fun fact: The pink elephants sequence in Dumbo only exists because the animators decided to go nuts after Walt Disney had a mental breakdown and took a sabbatical. Literally a case of "the king's away, it's time to play".
I thought it was because Walt Disney was working with Salvidor Dali and the two wanted to created a surrealist work of art? I got that information from my English Teacher in high school though so it might not be accurate. Do you happen to have a source I can look into? I'm actually quite fascinated by this.
I didn’t know that! That’s cool!
And look what magic happened ;)
@@Swordflash4 No the Dali/Destino collaboration (1946) was 5 years after the release of Dumbo in 1941.
"Following their first meeting, Dalí and Disney came up with the idea of collaborating on the “Destino” short. Dalí began working on the film in 1946, creating 22 paintings and more than 135 storyboards, drawings, and sketches. Disney's studio then generated about 20 seconds of original animation based on these ideas."
The complete short film was only completed decades later for the release of Fantasia 2000 I think.
why i wanna be an animator:
Just gonna say it.....,Bollywood is Indian, not Arabic😳
The original story of Aladdin takes place in China, whether it's actually China or a metaphor for "far away land that isn't Arabic"
@@KyrieFortune indeed, but if the remake was following the original Disney movie, then culturally that is Middle Eastern, and not south Asian
Yeah when she said that I was like " D: Lindsay no"
@@KyrieFortune no it's Persian
"Aladdin is only one of 1,001 tales.
Aladdin is part of a centuries-old stories-within-a-story called The Thousand and One Nights (also called The Arabian Nights). The heroine, Scherherazade, is married to a murderous king, who kills his new wives one day after wedding them."
@@ComicAcolyte the story of Aladdin in the 1001 Nights begins with it taking place in "China", which may or may not be a metaphoric for "far away land"
The thing about Disney princesses movies is that they didn’t “wash my mind” into thinking I needed men. Even as a child i was aware these are fictional stories that took place in different times where circumstances were different, kids aren’t dumb! Cartoon is supposed to be fictional, that’s what makes it great, don’t ruin everything for gods sake.
Lots of studies show differently. The media we watch affects our perceptions of society.
I mean... yeah kids aren’t dumb, but they _are_ pretty easily influenced. I watched a lot of Disney princess movies as a child and I remember when I was around like 5 or 6 years old I thought getting married was the most important thing in life lol, since that was always the end goal/happily ever after of pretty much every single princess movie. Of course when I got older I realized that wasn’t the case, but really young children like toddlers and kindergarten age kids don’t really know enough to accurately differentiate which parts in fictional stories apply to the real world and which don’t.
Some children are capable of insightful understanding, (like OP), while other children take things at face value and miss the message. There are great elements of character and principle within the original Disney princesses that inspired me as a young girl. I loved their courage, adventurism, and pretty hair lol. Too many see the princesses through a bland and simple frame of "weak and helpless" while missing the message of quiet heroism inherent within all of them. Now, because of the faults of a few, everyone has to suffer. This 21st century "social warrior" mindset stripped away the beauty and art of individualistic characters conquering themselves with valiant effort. Now everything is stark and sterile with less focus on individual characters in favor of fake activism for the general masses. Everything is "safe" and people are "equal", but in reality, everything is heavily censored and people are controlled by the opinions of the masses. The world sucks lol
That's only you and some people,, children act like how they have been told to by media and their parents
@@emperorbailey oh yes. Studies. The always reliable studies. They've never been wrong before. Yep
Disney: hides their past like it never happened
Warner brothers: embraces it by putting warnings on their dvds to tell the audience that it was a different time back then.
Hope HBO Max will Include the full Uncensored Looney Tunes Library of Shorts.
Dude, have you seen broadcast versions of WB’s old stuff? Censored to hell and back.
Okay, but let's still keep in mind that WB is a huge company too and that if it saw any chance in this being unprofitable, it would never have happened.
@@shakirakurosawa1740 Yes, that's how life works, everybody tries to profit, and the people at WB aren't necessarily better than the people at Disney.
@@Gemnist98 Broadcasting has different regulations to DVD releases. If we want to see broadcastings of any old cartoon with problematic elements aimed at young viewers, it will have to be censored. Its just how the broadcasting network works and has little to do with WB potentially "hiding" their past wrong doings, unlike Disney. In fact, WB releasing those DVDs with messages proves otherwise.
If only Disney did the same.
Disney's like: animal cruelty is bad, now come to seaworld and watch our animals with a ridiculously reduced lifespan on small cubicles of water
I don't see your point? Seaworld is owned by SeaWorld Parks & Entertainment, not Diseny.
@@user-zb4jc2kl8i I understand it, but still, the parks are all together selling ticket packs, if they cared SO MUCH, they would try to disvinculate their parks' image from the seaworld image
@@bgjaksys Ohhh, I see what you are saying now . I had no idea Disney & Seaworld has "2 in 1" deals. I 100% agree with you now!
@@user-zb4jc2kl8i I don't know how they sell it in the USA, but I actually went there like 5 years ago (being from Brazil), and they sell Disney, SeaWorld, Busch Gardens all in one, we don't differentiate them
@@bgjaksys They sell it like that here (USA) too. Idk about Busch Gardens, but Disney and Seaworld apparently have legal agreements with each other about park packages.
I want the fairytale part of Disney where the world doesn’t make sense in our world. I don’t want to be reminded to be woke all the time
well said!
Woke people: "We want real institutional change"
Institutions: "..."
Disney: "Here's some modified characters and plots that nobody's gonna like"
Conservatives: "WOKE PEOPLE ARE RUINING EVERYTHING"
Belle: "I'm a girl who can read in a time and culture where that was totally common."
THIS IS MY FIGHT SONG
Weren’t women often writing a ton too? I remember Hawthorne writing something about women being “scribblers”, which sounds kinda patronizing but still, it seems probably much more complicated than the flat oppression in that remake.
Jagd Töpfer Wasn’t the original Beauty and the Beast written by a woman too?
@@noorazraq2245 exactly!
Belle Granger is Disney's portrayal of the quintessential millennial snowflake.
That is the most perfect meme ever!
Shrek: look at how silly Disney is!
Disney: holy shit they made a lot of money better make enchanted
Real?
Ok but enchanted was my childhood, like “that’s how you know”? A b o p
Okay but Shrek is scathing and cynical, Enchanted is a loving self-parody. The best parody tends to come from a place of affection rather than scorn, cause true fans of the original work understand it better and so make deeper rather than surface level parodies.
Shrek: bits of Disney are stupid like isn’t it’s a small world annoying
Enchanted: how would the real world intersect with a Disney princess and how would this alter her personality and she alter the other characters
Richard Bourton this exactly ! enchanted is probably the most wholesome self parody disney has put out and for that reason it feels 100x more genuine.
Guy2010 no it isn’t. It mocks some of the tropes of classic Disney films but ends up affirming all of them. True loves kiss is real, happy endings DO come true, the best way to behave is the wonderful positivity of Giselle, even if it needs tempering slightly in the real world. It’s packed to the gills with loving homages to all of Disney; every extra is a reference to a Disney film in some way, the lady with lots of kids Edward meets heading up the stars is played by Pocahontas’ actress, the couple in divorce litigation are named after the Banks family from Mary Poppins, the bus driver has her hair styled as Mickey ears and so on. Disney and its tropes are examined by Enchanted and then affirmed by the narrative. It is the least mean spirited film I have ever seen and that’s why it is my favourite film.
To Disney: stop changing old Disney movies, which were made in accordance to the ideologies of the time, for what you think is “character representation” for woke points, and make your own characters if you want representation. Thanks.
These movies need a reason to exist... And it's most definitely not renewing copyright on an 80 year old property so it never becomes public domain
That's not how copyright works, remakes are their own copyrighted property. Aladdin (2019) doesn't renew the copyright of Aladdin (1990), it's its own copyright. If this is how copyright worked they wouldn't remake The Lion King, they would remake STEAMBOT WILLY, the thing where Mickey Mouse appears for the first time and is at constant risk of falling into public domain.
"their utter lack of chemistry is, i don't know, feminist somehow" LMAOOOO
I have seen better chemistry in ISIS videos.
Right, because males are supposed to worship females and give them whatever they want, but females don't have to return the male's affection at all because that would make them seem weak and not independent!
Christopher Regan oh look we found the incel. Every chat gets one!
@@debodatta7398 Yes, and disney's white directors making Aladdin is better? At least Bollywood would have been a step up. And that is the point, they already had white directors, brown people weren't part of the background creative process.
@@Lord_Of_Night
I agree with you they also might not have white washed Jasmine so much i get that shes a cartoon but they could have found an actress who is darker like Jasmine with more similar facial structure
“There is no corporate approved way to make Disney’s history with race representation, or lack thereof, profitable. So they don’t.” Man, can I get this quote on a t-shirt?
that would be an ugly t-shirt
“There is no corporate approved way to make Disney’s history with race representation[..]" Except for the obvious one, which is that it is all but certain "Song of the South" would move a Shitton of Units, it it ever got released. Though they are rightfuly afraid of that, cause it would be horrible optics, even if they put a Leonard Maltin "War-Cartoon" style disclaimer infront of it. Then again I'm quite sure Bob Chapek is unscrupulous enough at this point, to just place an Confederate-Flag on Splash Mountain. ^^
@T.N. Newton Doesn't the existence of Black Panther refute that very same quote?
PLEASE I WOULD LOVE THAT
neosoontoretro Marvel is owned by Disney but they are not Disney, imo
Wasn't the original beauty and the beast about a woman sacrificing her freedom for her father and then helping a monster become a decent person? Literally breaking curses by being a good and selfless person.
I think Danny DeVito should have ended his “no animal cruelty” speech about a song that he also definitely doesn’t dittle kids.
Something that bothers me the most about the remakes is how pointless they are. Nobody asked for any of them. Nobody asked for any of this. Worse, now with remakes we have competing narratives and themes in the same IP, often carrying the same name, which only serves to pollute the brand. It's like the different generations of Disney are competing with one another more than Disney is competing with Amazon.
The thing that bothers me the most is that they're taking something fully developed for and dependent upon one medium and trying to translate it into another without making any changes (well, that, and the fact that it's a terrible idea to begin with).
I actually liked Aladdin, at least moreso than any of the other remakes. Maybe my expectations were so low that it was a nice surprise, except for the part in One Jump Ahead where they incorporate the weird slow / fast motion effects.
What sickens me more is the fact that it works. If you think disney making a business decision to re-release their most popular movies in a diffrent (worse) format is sickening. That's up to your discretion sure. What bothers me MORE is that people are still buying this garbage. These movies make a TON of money and they shouldn't. I feel bad because the general public supports this uninnovative, soulless, cheap nonsense. Disney has become a shadow of it's former self, sure. But they just follow the money like any buisness. People who buy it are what dictate what succeeds
@@zazzpzazz THIS!! People can complain all the want. But all that Disney sees is the billions of dollars they are making from the remakes
@@matty6878 a re-release of the source material (such as a blue ray release of the original movie) is all it takes to preserve copyright. You dont need to remake the movie. Also. If anyone is stupid enough to challenge Disney's copyright. I wish them luck.
@@matty6878 also buying companies doesn't really mean anything in terms of copyright.
A friend of mine: "Jasmin's new song sounds like a Belarusian song on Eurovision that wins 3 points total in the finals."
Bible Illustrated that’s it! That’s EXACTLY how it sounds!! 😂
Oof ain’t that the truth
I love an oddly specific and cruel insult!
That... really is spot on.
Yep, totally. It doesn't gel at all with the rest of the songs.
Also they ignored how sexualized Jasmine was as the first nonwhite princess. Before her, Ariel was just as revealing in her shell bra and multiple implied nudity but she wasn’t sexualized, she was allowed to be cute and innocent. Jasmine had to kiss Jafar in an orientalist slave harem outfit... Even amongst the live action Disney Princess, Jasmine wears way more low cut tops with purposeful cups in her bustier. They hired a mixed South Asian woman to portray a character with majority Middle Eastern actors around her because Middle Eastern actresses only get to be sexualized or terrorist adjacent. The white costume director made outfits are made with more South Asian elements because they’re afraid of being seen as Muslim.
Well, the original fairy tale was supposedly playing "in China", which could have been some Middle Eastern region under Chinese rule OR mostly Muslim region of China OR just being an geographical error.
But then again, some of the elder texts of 1001 Nights come indeed from South Asia/India.
But then again, Aladdin isn't even from the original collection, just included in the French version.
BUT THEN AGAIN, the Disney movie is settled in Arabia anyway, so all of that is really irrelevant, I presume -.-
Wow, that's actually a pretty perceptive take that I never considered.
I think it's less of a racial issue as an issue of hypersexualization of society and women in general, the unintended consequences of the sexual freedom movement and women being promiscuous and flaunting as much as they, and let's not talk about only fans. Women objectify themselves all the time, race is a non factor in this.
@@simpbeforeusleep I'd argue that it most definitely is an issue of race. Women of color are much more sexualized in media, including Disney movies, what with their depictions of Princess Jasmine, Esmeralda, and Pocahontas. The thing about Princess Jasmine is that since the story takes place in a vaguely Arab setting, the creators pandered to the orientalist fantasies of European travelers and painters from the late 19th century, who spoke of and painted scenes with mostly-naked women in harems, ready for pleasing. This has historically been one of the most popular tropes in representing Arab women in Hollywood; that is a *belly-dancing harem slave*, or an *abused Muslim wife* that's forced to hide behind her hijab at the mercy of her husband. Other tropes relating to the depiction of women of color in media include the *dragon lady* and *lotus blossom* which hyper-sexualize-and infantilize-(mostly) East Asian women, the *jezebel* stereotype which force Black women on their knees for the pleasure of White men, and the *spicy Latina* trope.
I'd also like to point out that we middle eastern people aren't automatically Muslim. There are plenty of us who are Christian it's a stereotype to think all middle eastern people are Muslim
original disney movies will always be 1000x more charming than any of the remakes, no matter how outdated.
"Shenzi is a girl-boss now!"
But . . . was she not in the original? And . . . like, isn't that the default with hyenas? Biologically, female hyenas are larger and more aggressive than males, who on the whole tend to be more passive and docile and get very little respect once they reach adulthood. The original understood that, which was why Shenzi was the leader of the hyenas to begin with.
Yea, but did they have a random moment where she suddenly calls out the only other main female character to fight? Its really weird how somehow they always find the other female pro/antagnoist to fight at the end, almost like they are implying that they can't actually do anything of important to the story and have to be regulated to the B tier villain/hero.
“There ain’t no way I’m going in there! What, you want me to turn out like you? Cactus butt?!”
Aaron that’s been a thing forever. If there is a chick on the good and bad guy sides you know they’re gonna fight 😂
Thank you for posting exactly what I was going to comment on. Hyenas live in a very strong matriarchal society which is why the males are the goons and the females are the strong leaders, which is why the original movie nods to this fact.
I was gonna say. Wasn't she the group leader anyway? And it was Whoopi Goldberg, which is at least five times better.
The true woke thing Disney could do with the new Little Mermaid was to pay homage to the original story and make it about a girl who develops an obsessive crush on a guy and becomes hopelessly devoted to him, only to discover that while he finds her neat, her he does not love her, because he does not know her as a person. So to be with a guy she fell for, have Ariel give up the one thing that would help her get to know him - a way of communicating with him. And so Ariel "loses Eric" to a perfectly nice woman who is emotionally on more equal footing to him.
Have Ariel take that lesson and be hurt by it but not choose to hate either the prince or his wife but choose to walk away from both, with a better understanding of what true love is about. Have her learn the difference between a crush/projection/teenage infatuation and real, honest love that requires depth of feeling and hurt and sacrifice. That's a lesson that girls need to learn.
You can still have evil Ursula and Poor Unfortunate Souls and stabby boats and the whole thing, but have that message underneath and it would be all right!
But of course that message won't produce much merch and we can't have that!
Sounds a lot like the ending of the original H C Andersen tale, except she doesn't die in the end. But I think your suggestion is way better than both the original and Disney!
I think this is a great idea, and I'd love to see it. But it would require depth and sincerity on the part of the film-makers. We'll never again see that from Disney, but it's public domain, so an indie film or maybe Denmark; Denmark knows how to do deep, meaningful, and unflinching drama while still being entertaining.
Watch the movie The Lure if you want that story.
Yeah, sorry but that requires Disney to have skilled story writers. I am not sure if Disney has enough to hire those right now.
Brilliant!! consistent character development with a subtle life lesson that doesn't become garish and destroy the natural progression of the story and shows true empowerment by emphasizing the importance of individuality self respect....Disney's sure as Hell never gonna write something like that, but damn if I wouldn't go see that opening weekend
Disney has gotten so big, that they've forgotten how to Disney.
That's because Mr. Disney is long dead.
Love how it's "empowering" to say "I don't wanna be married to a useless prince".
I honestly hate that female empowerment seems to revolve around bringing down other females who don't fit the empowered image/bringing down men.
For Ariel they’re probably gonna do a whole “trash is in the ocean” plot
Or a slavery plot
Or a black lives matter plot since Ariel is going to black in the remake.
@@stefy7234 that would be pure cringe
Or true love against arranged marriages.
Stefano Basso That’s too woke for Disney
Nobody:
Disney:
"Welp we did it boys, discrimination is no more!"
I've done it Ms's Obama, I've stopped sexism!
Speaking of which... what was the last count of how many women and POC are working at Disney as animators and in lead management roles as directors, executives, producers, etc. on these movies?
Useless nobody
You know who else erased their history and rewrote it? The Egyptians.
'Hello is this the CEO of racism?'
I still love how the speechless song is about her standing up and fighting against oppression, but the entire song is in a dream sequence, and has no actual presence in the reality of the film.
As a young boyish girl, I didn't feel empowered until Kung Fu Panda. Po is one of my spirit animals.
Same
i really only felt empowered by Ghibli leads, if i had to feel anything from an animated female character
those women/girls get shit DONE
Enchanted was the peak, pitch-perfect bar of quality for meta-commentary that was self-aware but also endearing and sincere without being cynical. Everything else falls short of Amy Adams shouting "you.....you....you....are not a very nice old man!"
**Dramatic thunderclap**
Easily one of her best performances.
Her performance in Enchanted was so endearing to me.
It's a really cute movie
I hope the sequel doesn't ruin it with wokeness and product placement
"Dad I want to study science"
"You silly girl, there's no future in science. You will be a circus performer just like your father."
A much more realistic reply would be "we can't afford to get you an education since I'm goddamn circus performer and have to travel for my job also" but can't criticise class in a Disney film, eh?
Marie Curie? More like Marie Antoinette...
Princess Fondu oof
lol
@@deer4927 yass
Reminds me of that Netflix-remake of Winx Club, with Bloom calling out "mansplaining" in the first 5 minutes.
Or how they exed a POC character from the original to replace her with a one-and-a-half-sized white girl (and yeah, I know the original got critizised for the bonyness of the characters, and more diverse body sizes is a welcomed addition, but they still could have both).
OMG, yes - I was so confused by that mansplaining line. I was like "uh, was that mansplaining? Offering someone who obviously looks lost to help them find where they're going???" I ended up feeling like it was supposed to be a moment making fun of the main character.
So I’m rewatching this after Lindsay posted her mask off video and whether intentional or not her “I get it girl” in regards to the maleficent clip made me pause after learning abt her past trauma
Oof yeah that's true
Same. I can understand why that would click with her like that.
.... hey guys? like, just, all guys? Could we all just agree to not sexually assault anyone? It's REALLY easy. Seriously, all you have to do is *not* do that. So like if you're considering DOING that, just... don't.
Don't forget that Jasmine's power ballad about being "speechless" is LITERALLY SUNG IN HER IMAGINATION
Yeah man. Also even her clothes are like a peacocks. Idk what year this was made in but I have this Aurora and Jasmine CD. Jasmine sings this song called more than a peacock 🦚 princess. Soooooo
Damn :(
@@dajoler that and even if racism was addressed in the movie, i wouldn't think it would exactly affect Jasmine given she's a south asian princess set to take command over a south asian kingdom, her only barrier is her gender and even then it doesn't matter much because she just becomes sultan anyway even though that would literally never happen in India in the time period but whatever I guess. Her only true barrier was her dad not approving, she and every other teenager with a parental figure.
@@CommanderKatelyn That reminds me of the other thing that bugs me. Like it was pretty clear that the original movie was set in some Arab country, but now it's Indian for some unexplained reason? Like was it that hard to cast Arab actors, or I don't know, make it LOOK Arab? Theres this huge race problem with brown people being clumped up into one group that's all the same and nobody ever mentions it.
Never watched the movie because I swore to myself I would not touch the Live Action versions but it gave me a Siyeon cover so I don't mind it that much
Here's an idea, Disney - if something from the past is going to be a problem if you include it in a remake, how about... you DON'T REMAKE IT? How about you MAKE SOMETHING COMPLETELY NEW AND ORIGINAL INSTEAD? Y'know, with creativity and stuff?
Exactly cause we can't ignore that media is a product of its time. Warner even admits to being racist before. For Warner to admit things better than family friendly Disney you know something is bad
@@Zelnyair Can you imagine what they'd do to the Fox and the hound?
Agreed, Frozen was pretty good (please don't butcher me if Frozen was written in the 30s or some shit)
@@pranavlimaye You mean The Snow Queen? Yeah The Snow Queen is a better story but Frozen is okay too. I'm not going to butcher you. Lol
@@pranavlimaye Is good but nothing else.
I remember watching Dumbo as a kid and I had no clue the Crows were supposed to be a stereotype of black people. I wonder how many kids knew? Was it a racist joke more aimed for the parents?
Neither did I but, then again, perhaps I would have noticed if I were American, which I am not. I watched it in Spanish when I was a kid, so whatever black accent they were pretending to emulate in the original is also lost in translation.
I mean cartoons always had some stuff for the parents in there, but that was mostly sexual. You know stuff a kid would not notice. I also never noticed racially insensitive stuff when I was a kid but I am european so I was not involved in this culture.
I though it was a stereotype about corrupt people, who know why I thought that at age of 8. perhaps because I live in a corrupt country, you just learn how to cheat like you learn how to talk, I saw that as cheaters and corrupts equals bad people.
Or perhaps because I was raised in brazil and they used an accent from a poor corrupt state and I lived in the commercial/industrial power-house of the country, oh the internalized classicism at such age, also to this day that state is riddled with corruption (not that the rest of the country wasn't or isn't, but that state in particular was the representation of the brazilian culture at that time, at least to the international lenses and media, one of the reasons I hated it somehow).
The pink elephants scene was so iconic, kinda scarey as well for a kid.
That Jasmin song in the Alladdin remake sounds like an Eurovision song.
A bad, unfun, Eurovision song with a hamfisted message that you use as a toilet break.
Idk disney could have adressed the horrible orientalist and racist depiction of middle eastern people but they instead made Jasmin a girlboss who isn't like other girls and wants to be Sultan! What a role model.
I think they were trying to make another Let It Go with Speechless but, with Let It Go, you actually see Elsa enjoying her powers and exploring her potential. With Jasmine, she sings a song about not being silenced in her own head and ends up being silenced a few minutes after the song. Though, honestly, I love both songs but it's clear that one was executed better over the other.
Pls even EuroVision songs are better than that crap 😭
Honestly the 90’s Aladdin felt empowering enough to me as a young girl
Henry Kahn Yes!! My favorite is Mulan
I think that the 90s Jasmine was better because while she was more empowering than the traditional Disney Princess, they weren’t afraid to make her sensitive, instead of the “Power Ballad” girl boss. (Edited because grammar)
Jasmine was a boss before girl bossing was a thing and favourite for a long ass while. She was deeply cynical of the marriage process. Capable particularly physically and saw through Aladdin half way through the film. The final quarter of that film drives me nuts though. They Leia slave outfit her and shove her in a bloody egg timer so Aladdin can look like a hero. Both of them do so much better by pure wit. Her with the kiss fake out. Him with the genie wish. Just wish it had skipped 10 minutes.
The 90s and 00s had the best princesses. I included the 00s just so I could include rapunzel.
All of the Disney princesses ( yes even the " Damsels in distress " ) are for more interesting than any of the " Strong " female leads of today honestly
After recently watching all of Hayao Miyazaki's movies, the hollowness of Disney's female "empowerment" rings even more sharply. The nuance between Disney's "always strong and defiant" protagonist and Miyazaki's "strong and also capable of showing vulnerability at times and receiving help without needing to be saved wholly" protagonists seems especially important here. The scene of Emma Watson in Beauty and the Beast immediately trying to escape after being locked up reminded me of a scene in Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind where she is also locked up except she drops down in despair. She's allowed to be vulnerable as well as strong and courageous which makes her feel so much more human. And it goes for all of Miyazaki's protagonists, his movies are basically a series of characters constantly helping one another, showing that they may be vulnerable when left alone but incredibly strong once they come together. I recognize it might be unfair to compare a marketable cash grab approach to factory movie making with one of the greatest masters of animation but the stark contrast was too much for me to ignore
This needs to be boosted up.
@Sidharth Rao well technically Cersei is a little bit obsessed about telling people that a woman can be in charge. Then in comes Olenna and just shows who's in charge =D
Nausicaa especially is great because she’s rescued by the OTHER WOMEN, and not in a badass jailbreak, but through a cunning trick and with their compassion and empathy.
So true. Miyazaki is an amazing creator and I wish others would take note.
@@islandplace7235 Maybe Disney is outdated nowadays compared to animated films from Europe or Japan.
A stereotypically depicted crow named Jim Crow, I swear disney was wildin' out back in the day.