I love the concept that Ego realized that he was willing to give up both his godhood, his genocide plan, his EVERYTHING for the human concept of LOVE for a single human person. And that terrified him.
And after this (based on her apparent age), he needs Mantis to help him sleep at night. The movie's central theme is about learning that vulnerability is not a weakness, so naturally the villain is someone who refused to be vulnerable. Even the side-villain of Taserface... I mean, he calls himself Taserface (and apparently thinks that's cool). We don't even know his real name, and he's motivated by a frustration with Yondu's vulnerability toward Peter.
@@octaviogonzalez8794 Could be both, but the movie does seem to dwell a lot on how Peter and his mother were special to Ego. We even get the line where Ego says very convincingly that he couldn't bear to go back to Earth knowing she would no longer be there.
Yeah I can relate. At times my mind even goes to the extent to believe that it's fate or destiny for everyone I love to abandon me. But I try my best to think optimstically and treat people well in the hope that they'll stick around.
I especially love the fact that Drax is the one to tell Nebula that the Guardians are a family because you know he meant it literally, whereas some people call their friends family coz they're really close but Drax genuinely feels that he has a family again
@@DaDunge "pedestal" what the fuckary are you try to saying ? You mean i'm idolizing a disorder ? Have you has any kind of direct contact with peoples had autism ? I do, voluntier, and they like Drax, literaly my friend said: "Did he have autisme like me ?" . Don't twiste my word, mate.
My favorite part of any Marvel movie is in Guardians 2 when Mantis touches Drax so she can feel his emotions and she just starts crying. But he’s doing nothing but sitting there like everything is normal. It’s the best representation of depression I’ve ever seen
When you start talking about the abuse side of things, and how it its so complicated, watching this after seeing infinity war and that scene when Gamora was crying after she had thought she had actually killed Thanos...damn, I found that moment was a surprisingly honest representation of a complex abusive parent relationship
Movies with Mikey talks about this point. ruclips.net/video/M7Skq8UtJpY/видео.html His video is worth a watch, ultimately the point is that Infinity War leaves a bad taste in some folks mouths because of how abuse is handled. Lindsey has mentioned Mikey in videos before and Mikey Lindsey. If you enjoy one it may be fair to say you'd enjoy the other, however this is not a usual video for Mikey. Much like Cinema wins, Mikey tries to strictly focus on positive deconstructions of movies he likes. Hate proliferates... which is kind of the problem with Infinity War.
Lol, after watching Infinity War you realize Gamora could potentially place herself as the most messed up child of all of them, but doesn't 'cause she has the maturity to not worry about it too much.
A moment I love in Guardians Vol. 2 is when Rocket tells Peter that Yondu "stole batteries he didn't need". At first it's seen as a throwaway line, Rocket just trying to show Peter the drawn comparison between the two, but then you remember that Ego referred to Peter as a battery before the final fight. Yondu really did steal batteries he didn't need, except the battery (Peter) ended up being something he needed more than anything
Yandu got me bad too. My stepfather was very stereotypical manly man. He never hugged us. He loved cars, camping, motorbikes, pubs, girl posters, sports. All things manly and great outdoors. Out of my sister and I, while she has more stereotypically feminine interests, she was the doted-on one of us two, as she was the more adventurous one. I've always suffered from anxiety and it was *bad* when I was a teenager. I was quiet and didn't like to leave the house much. He would encourage us to try riding his motorbike or get the snakes out of the paddock with him, and I always refused. It was a source of frustration for both of us. He was infertile and just wanted a kid to teach stuff to. His own father was absent, so for him, this was his one chance to go on family camping trips, and teach the kids fishing. She was also younger. I was 11, and she was just 6 when he moved in with the family. I was already someone else's kid, at that age, from his eyes. To give you an idea of his level of stoicness, when my other sister died, he sat down with me and said "It sucks", and that was probably the most emotional thing I'd ever heard from him. I refused a lot, and when I did go, I would often get jumpy or scared. I remember once we were building a shed in one of the old paddocks and I stepped on a stick, which whacked up on my leg. I screamed "Snake!", thinking I'd gotten bitten by a snake, since our farm, being in Australia, was filled with them. He came sprinting from the other side of the paddock, dropping everything and kneeling down to examine it and when I, rather sheepishly explained it was a stick and I'd panicked, his fear turned to rage and he yelled at me, and I yelled back. The frustrations that we both knew we had, but never said before, just poured out. "I don't want to be out here in the heat building a stupid shed anyway!" "Why can't you just be normal?" "Why can't we do the things I want to do sometimes?" "Why can't you just join in with the family?" This argument never got resolved. We eventually got a little closer, finding a happy medium in action movies, and going to garage sales. Something sufficiently "Manly" for him and something that didn't stress me out, but when we argued, as family does, the same insults would come out. "Why are you weird?" "Why do you have to make sure everyone likes you?" and the worst thing I think I've ever said to anyone "You're not even my real dad." I didn't even really mean it and the hurt on his face when I said that, said a lot to me. I later found out that from mum that the reason he never hugged us was because he was always scared of those words. He always felt he wasn't our "real father" and getting close to that extent would have made that awful feeling worse. My real father was an addict and an arsehole. Still, I never called my step father dad, and my step father never hugged me. My mother and he eventually broke up when I was 19. His working hours were taking a toll on their relationship and it ended amicably. They were still close friends and met up often. Then came a couple of years ago. We hadn't talked in ages since I was away at uni, but he took my sister and I out shopping, and then we had lunch. He told me he was proud of me for moving to another city. He told me he was proud of how far I'd come, but other than that, we didn't speak about emotional stuff. We never had. As he dropped us off in his truck at my mum's, my sister got out and I hesitated, looking to him, I wanted to tell him that I did love him, that he was my father. But then the moment passed. A month later, my mum called me to tell me that he'd died. It had been a car accident on a camping trip, the driver had been drinking and flipped the car. I saw this movie 3 days after his funeral. I didn't know this scene was going to happen and I had tears streaming down my face in the cinema. Father and Son had played at my sister's funeral, and played at his too. Peter's relationship with Yondu felt like so much of a mirror to my own feelings about my stepfather, right down to not really realising how good he'd been till the last moment, despite how rough he'd treated me, that I felt like someone involved in the writing HAD to have gone through the same. It was the only time I've ever gotten emotional at a film, and even seeing the clips in this video had me tearing up all over again. The impact and importance of examining family relationships under this lens cannot be understated. Too often a parent's death in a movie is cut and dry "They were perfect, now they're gone", a way to prompt action, or a way to add plot angst to a character's backstory without really working for it. We need to see more complicated emotions and relationships. Films work best as a reflection of ourselves. I just didn't expect a Marvel film to be the one that delivered that emotional depth I didn't know I was craving out of film's handling of strained family relationships.
I want you to know that I feel your story. Do remember though. that just because this story resonated with you, does not mean there are no stories out there that don't that resonate the same way with others. just a quick example I'm a boy that has had gender dysphoria and Mulan resonated with me in a similar way. Don't think Hollywood is hopeless, even the trashiest movie may have had a similar effect on someone else.
My favorite scene of Guardians is in Vol. 2 when Mantis feels Drax's sadness over the death of his wife and daughter. A sense of peace comes over him. He's come to terms with his past. Yet Mantis feels his pain and bursts into tears. It's a sadly beautiful moment that shows Drax's depression. He is an example of a paradox I've seen as common in my life: the happiest person in the room is often one of the saddest. Even when you "leave" the mourning stage, the sadness never leaves or dissipates. Drax is a character who speaks completely literally, however his sadness is never addressed besides this scene because he avoids addressing it. With rumors that Moondragon (Drax's daughter) will appear in Vol. 3, Drax's chance to address his depression may be coming. I hope it does because after typing all of this, Ive realized how much I love Drax as a character.
that is the sad clown stereotype(or sad stand-up comedian nowadays with people like Robin Williams as a damn good example). about moondragon, they took out a lot of comic Drax when they made the transition to the movie. hope they show more of his past on the next movie(they say it will focus on rocket but to me the volume 2 focused enough already they could make his past the main plot point on the 3 volume with his "father" being the villain but focus on Drax and mantis that are the ones with least past exposition).
@@lucasbiermann257 My guess is that Rocket's plot will be the primary plotthread of the movie while Drax and Moondragon will fill the sorta Rocket/Yondu dynamic vol 2 had
I personally interpret that scene differently. I don't think he has come to terms with his past, as we see in infinity war he still hates Thanos and wants revenge. I also don't think a sense of peace has come over him, and instead he's just thinking about them, and how much he misses them without showing it. When Mantis feels his feelings she is very overwelmed by sadness. She know what Drax is going through, much more than any other Guardian. This I feel makes their relation really strong compared to the other ones. A simple scene of one character touching the arm of another character can be Interpreted in so many different ways but different people. Thats what I love about the internet.
"Rocket's entire worldview is based on the idea that the people he love will abandon him." *Me after watching Infinity War:* ...those bloody genius screenwriters...
After end game if you notice he's not even angry at being called a bulid a bear. He doesn't lose it once he finally let people in and then he lost them all he's completely defeated.. the one time he dose lose it it's with Thor getting in the way of bringing them back.
@@joecromarty6682 James Gunn said the universal translator works in context, so expanding on that Rocket knew what he meant. I think the "hamster" comment was what James Gunn answered that about, that Saul meant a similar animal even if hamsters don't exist on Xandar, in the first movie.
cheer up!your name is an antonym for put upon,warriors of a Japanese lord that was dispossessed & his"Ronin"defied the emperor by seeking & attaining revenge, payback for the disrespect of their master,for which all of them were executed, except the lord's son, spared by the emperor to save the bloodline to serve Japan. so,now you're better (or should be...)
The part that broke me when I first watched this was that bittersweet scream kraglin gave at the realisation that yondu’s reputation had been restored and that last salute he does alongside his comrades in honour of his captain
@@adamplentl5588 Yeah, almost like the two siblings and one is favored. He was jealous of how Yondu treated Peter, cause he was pretty sure if he did any of that stuff, Yondu wouldn't have forgiven him like he did Peter.
30:43 I think it's worth pointing out Rocket wasn't even insulted by the sovereign when he stole the batteries. He stated "did you see the way she talked down to us?" But she only insulted Peter. I think that's another moment showing Rocket cares more about Peter than he'd like to let on.
Mg only problem with that is he stole the batteries before they talked to The Sovereign. And clearly Peter was the one who set up the deal, because he had to warn the others how to behave around The Sovereign. He stole the batteries and then tried to use the insult as an excuse.
Well, I feel like it's fair to say those parts are a combination of Rocket's self-sabotage agenda and his incredible sensitivity to condescension or othering. He was already going to steal the batteries because it furthered his goal of fucking up personal connections with the added bonus of potential for pretty serious cash (which will be needed if he leaves!) Then, after they fulfill their bounty and Ayesha is sitting on her shiny throne... Even when the Sovereign's reminders that, "FYI, you're totally inferior" were only addressed to Peter, Rocket still picks up on that and reacts... Well, the way he does. (Subtlety is not in his repertoire.) Speaking as someone with PTSD and strong psychological triggers who chose 'fight' from the Fight/Flight/Freeze portfolio, I get up in people's faces the same way Rocket does surprisingly quickly and for reasons that, in hindsight, seem pretty fucking stupid.
He stole batteries he didn't need, he says it himself at the end of the movie. It was again, one of the ways he has of avoiding to make new friends, because he doesn't want to let them into his life, either because he is afraid to disappoint them or that they will abandon him. He tries to disappoint everyone before they can abandon him or so he doesn't have to let people into his inner emotional circle. He stole the batteries because it has become part of his routine to betray every stranger he meets first,before they get the chance to, it's what he has done for a long time. But if you have a family of your own choosing as the Guardians have in each other, you will be loved, even if you try to chase them away and there will be someone who cares about you at your funeral, that is a heavy realization. Enough to bring tears to my eyes.
@@keithklassen5320 I was told that you can't eat a whole cinnamon stock. I took the challenge and shewed through that thing. It's not a teaspoon of powdered fire, but it was also difficult.
Then, Yandu slaps hell out of Peter, as if attempting to slap cinnamon out of a head filled with it. Oh, Yandu! You foolish, blue-hued, child abuser! If the cinnamon is IN his head, it is not gonna simply come out of his ears when you slap him! You have to lop the top of Peter's head off, turn him upside down and shake the cinnamon out.
The way you explain how someone who’s sick’s, last moments can shape how you remember them opened my eyes. And tears rushed out. My mother has been sick and deteriorating since I was 11. It’s so easy to forget who she was and focus solely on what the sickness has turned her into. Thank you for making me realize something so simple. This video made me subscribe.
My significant other lost both his parents when he was young and even now as a 36 year old, I still can tell how its effected him. Hes getting better slowly, and it didnt help that many co workers he used to work with would accuse him of sexual assault, just because he isn't attractive. Hes finally getting his house finally cleaned and fixed up.
I'd had no awareness before this that Parkinsons of all things could affect your personality so much (at least, as much as, say, a brain tumor doing that would seem obvious to me). I mean, surely having pretty much any variety of significant chronic disease will inevitably have a mental and emotional affect on you, even if it's just frustration and feelings of powerlessness from the daily grind of dealing with the disease. But in the superficial way (& I totally get that) in which she's trying to describe her situation with her family, it sounds like she means it became almost like a Jack/Tyler Durden situation. Not any of the specific traits themselves, just how skewed that ratio would be of who you were/what you were like pre-disease against how you are now.
This video made me subscribe too, I love this movie way more than guardians one and I didn't really know why. But watching this it all makes sense. Realizing your parents aren't perfect, and maybe the parents you didn't actually like were better than you thought.
I can't help it; that "I'm Mary Poppin's, y'all!" makes me laugh. Every. Single. Time. And I do it with a really warm and fuzzy feeling. It's such a corny joke, but Michael Rooker's delivery just sells it so perfectly. My "cry button" is the Ravager funeral. The start is like "Yeah, this is good". Then when Kraglin sees it and can't believe his eyes, it's "Yeah, that's for your leader." But when Sean Gunn utters those broken "YEAH! YEAH!" and salutes proudly, is when my waterworks happen. I honestly don't think Sean Gunn gets enough credit for the GotG movies. His performance as Kraglin may not be pivotal to the movies, but he's actually a pretty big reason why the movies feel as fleshed-out as they do.
There are very few moments that hit me as hard in any medium as Kraglin's reaction at the end. I don't get grabbed by stuff like "He may've been your father ...". I'm really introspective and like to think of myself as empathetic but to really have a deep reaction to anything I need that really obvious feeling played out by someone and (who I now know is Sean Gunn) did so amazingly
It will be cliche at a time doing new stuff is cool (not a bad thing per se cliches stop being cliches if everyone avoids them like the plague) and when everyone follows their leas and does cliches again they will be the first to do the new
I think I finally understand where Guardians draws the line on immaturity. There is nothing wrong with loving pop culture artifacts and being true to your emotions. When Peter makes the giant PacMan during the climax of the film, that only shows that PacMan is something he has a strong emotional connection to, whereas Ego only loves himself, represented by him manifesting a giant version of himself. The problem arises when harmless enjoyment and affection turns into harmful expectations from others, I.e. believing he is to rewarded with the girl because of TV sitcoms. That changes from harmless appreciation to harmful expectation, and therein lies the issue.
I think part of Peter's sharp change in behavior is realizing that he is part god. Peter himself always saw himself as someone aspiring to be Han Solo or Indiana Jones but didn't have the maturity for it. Inside, he thinks he's a loser. So when he suddenly realizes he's part god, it went straight to his head, and he thinks that Gamora is jealous of him because she still rejects him even though he's strong now. In reality, Gamora (mostly) liked him how he is (she stated as much in the forest). His vulnerability and immaturity helps Gamora break down the walls she's put up while at the same time frustrating her. The two are foils of each other, and in some ways two halves a person who need to "rub off" on each other to fix themselves. 4 years later in Infinity War they made a lot of progress, but Peter is still vulnerable to his emotions and Gamora and Nebula vulnerable to vengeance.
In a scene this video doesn't get to, we learn Peter told Gamora the David Hasselhoff story while he was drunk. She actually connected with and related to that story, dreaming of his imaginary badass father, but Peter himself is embarrassed by it and wishes he hadn't told her. He allowed himself to vulnerable and but is still too immature to view this as anything but weakness. Then at the end of the film, his growth is partly shown by relating the David Hasselhoff story to everyone at Yondu's eulogy. He is (slowly) growing, something Gamora herself has been encouraging.
The part that always gets to me is when the others are taking off from Ego as the planet is dying and Peter and Yondu are being left behind. Gamora when she realizes that Peter isn't going to make it back to ship in time grabs a gun and is about to go back out. Then Rocket shoots her with a stun gun to knock her out to keep her on board saying something along the lines of "I can only afford to lose one friend today." Then Drax realizes that they are taking off starts screaming at Rocket "Where's Quill!" Rocket won't respond because if he says that Peter is still out there that Drax might force the pilot to keep the ship on the ground which would kill them all. Because if anyone of the group would do anything not to lose "family" again it would be the one that lost a wife and daughter. Even if it cost him his own life. That also plays into what Lindsay was saying about Rocket's character arc throughout the movie. Rocket the one that kept pushing people away, because he feared that they would ultimately leave him does what he can to keep the ones he has left from leaving/dying.
@@stonecoldku4161 I’ve just realised it sounded like I was hating on the comment. I wasn’t. I was saying it was really sad and I should stop scrolling through comments that say things like this because they’re so sad
I lost my father on my 25th birthday, and now I am 65. Yes, it can take years to heal. But I believe that the time will come for you, as it did for me, eventually, when the memories of his decline will no longer predominate, and you will be free to remember the joys of being his daughter. Then you will be blessed with happy memories again. May this come as soon for you as may be. Thanks for your excellent series of videos. I have enjoyed them and learned from them. Yours sincerely, Tricia Hutchins Concord, NH
lost my grandfather 9 years ago. at first i only remembered him as the sick old man he was in the last year of his life, but now i almost have to force myself to remember that. funny how it goes right?
7:45 "... Rocket's inability to admit that he lashes out at his loved ones because he assumes the worst of everyone; sabotaging everything good in his life" Damn those heart-spears are accurate
The scene when Mantis feels all of Drax’s pain while he shows none of it really got to me. The idea that he feels that horror all the time even if people can’t see it just felt very real to me. The funeral scene was another part that made me cry. And even with all that it still had great humor. I love this movie.
Iris Carter-Schafer hell the fact that Drax is always cracking jokes and more or less acts as an emotional support ‘monolith’ that a lot of them share their problems with, he’s always wearing that grief under the coping mechanism that is his personality.
Golly, I absolutely agree. There's a lot going on in the film, and the scene with Drax and Mantis might have been really damn unsubtle, but it nailed my feels because he's carrying such a load and never puts it on others, instead hanging out in the Gimli seat and trying to help everybody else through. His quivering musculature hides the strength to deadlift grief without a perpetual pity party.
I remember reading a food critic years ago who said something along the lines of "Giving a negative review is easier and less risky than giving a positive one." Superhero movies are VERY easy to criticize. They're almost always shallow and forgettable, and the studios that make them rarely do anything interesting or risky with them. So seeing this positive review of a Guardians of the Galaxy movie... that actually feels justified in its arguments... is far more impressive than your (already impressive) critiques of Game of Thrones or The Hobbit
That quote is from Ratatouille It's paraphrased from Anton Ego's piece on Gusteau's restaurant, where he talks about he simple work of the critic, the challenging work of the chef who puts his heart and soul into every dish, and the true meaning of the tagline "anyone can cook". I think it's one of the most beautiful monologues in any animated movie, and it completely applies here.
@@mccookies3664 I've never watched ratatouille, so either the sentiment was copied from somewhere else or to somewhere else. I couldn't say which, though. It's been too long.
Kraglin is fantastic in his small part in the film. He may be the only character who is always honest about his feelings, but that backfires when he underestimates how threatened Taserface's followers feel. I'm not sure why he wasn't with the team in Infinity War anymore - perhaps he rejoined the Ravagers led by Stakar?
When the flaming arrow flew across the screen at the end of the movie in front of the ravagers, I realized I could hear his whistle. Thinking I heard wrong, I rewind the moment and I cried when I heard his whistle loud and clear. Side note, when Peter started up the Zune, the song that highlight was on was 'Father and Son' by Cat Steven. Meaning the very last song Yondu listen to on the Zune, was 'Father and Son'.
This is a fantastic analysis. My mom had bipolar disorder that went untreated for years because the system failed her. My dad was emotionally distant. They were often neglectful. I am Rocket with Gamora's defense mechanism. Also, only time in a movie I can remember where someone said, "He may have been your father, but he wasn't your daddy." I am a stepparent who never had a child of her "own." When my son came to live with us, I said, "You don't have to call me Mom. You can call me Diane if you want. But if you do decide to call me Mom, you can never take it back." Eventually, he made that choice. Then when he inevitably said, "You're not my real Mom," to me in an argument, I said, "Oh yes I am! I told you that if I was your Mom, you could never take it back, and I meant it, and that's as real as it gets!" There was hugging and crying (on both sides.) He never said it again. Yeah, I cried during this movie too.
I really love your story! Especially how you gave your son a choice whether he will have you as his mom and how you didn't let him take it back. He will know he has a mother who will never stop being his mother no matter what and I think that's beautiful
I, personally, think that the way Drax talks to Mantis becomes less horrible when, after he calls her "horrifying to look at", he follows it up with: "But that's a good thing. When you're ugly and someone loves you, you know they love you for who you are. Beautiful people never know who to trust." To me it sounds like he's basically saying that physical beauty seems pretty meaningless to him and actually rather detrimental, so from his point of view he probably isn't insulting her but simply commenting on something that is not important. Of course most people would probably have phrased it differently, so I can totally see why this scene might rub people the wrong way.
Of course, that's also followed up by the later context that he actually was trying to break it off with Mantis and that he was trying to get rid of her but just couldn't stand being that mean.... I genuinely don't know if that makes it better or worse, but it does make it more interesting because it follows through with the subversion of characters getting together just because they're around eachother. Mantis and Drax don't become lovers, they don't even find eachother attractive, they just become platonic friends. And that's fine, contrasting Starlord where him getting with Gamora seems like much more of an inevitably in their future as their relationship just gets more and more personal over time.
I don't think the isdue is Drax, Mantis, or their interaction per se but that the narrative keeps not yaking Mantis as a character with her own trauma seriously, as if she's an addendum to the other characters and not one herself. And if you liked comic Mantis this is particularly below the belt, on top of all the other choices for her. Even Infinity War and Endgame this still persists. (Also, just wanted to add that Mantis identifying Thanos' emotion in IW and why it bothered me, i.e. her apparent sympathy of his feelings when she's trying to put him under, was made less inscrutable to me after watching this vid.)
....you know, every once in a while in the Reviewerverse, you see a review that makes you desperately want to rewatch a movie because it opened your eyes to just how good it is. This is one of them. Well done Lindsay.
that also happened to me with the bringing back what was stolen video series on Mad Max Fury Road. and i'm realizing that i'm replying to a comment that i already replied to a year ago :D
My father, who was horribly abusive to me yet tender and loving to my step-family died the day before you posted this. I didn't talk to him for 10 years, we were making the first steps toward a possible tenuous reconciliation this year. I....I wasn't ready for this video.
*spoiler alert for IW/Gotg 1* Ugh, the fact that we’ve seen Groot die twice is painful! It’s so personal in both, but the first time, it at least serves a purpose of saving the Guardians in a time when they’re going to die. In IW, he just... dies, and not even intentionally on Thanos’ part. He just randomly gets selected by the finger snap. Even if Groot doesn’t remember his first death, and probably won’t remember the second if he comes back, Rocket remembers both. And that’s why it’s so painful to watch him mourn for Groot twice!
I actually think Ronan is a perfect villain for the first GOTG movie. The heroes are all clowns, so the bad guy has to be the guy who can't take a joke; that's the golden rule of comedy as enshrined by the Marx Brothers and it continues to be the only real way to go about this stuff. So, when your clowns are saving the day not just for themselves but for the entire galaxy, they need to be up against the biggest, most astonishingly tight-assed sourpus in the entire fucking universe. Enter, Ronan "I will unfurl one thousand years of Kree justice upon Xandar" the Accuser. This guy is on such a super-serious mission that he wears a black hood and some black eye-shadow because he's super serious and you've got to take him seriously, you guys. As contrasted against the Guardians he's hilariously one-dimensional and devoid of personality, which I'm like 85% sure was intentional. He's not a threat, he's a foil, there to represent all those grimdark genre trappings the movie pushed so hard against, so they can be steamrolled over by a ragtag crew of wise-cracking assholes just like the Hollywood gods intended.
MagusMirificus that's always been my read of Ronan, but you could make the argument that serving his purpose as a foil doesn't *necessarily* excuse him just not being a very interesting guy. I think there's a way to make Ronan work as a serious, emotionally grounded, imposing foil to the clowns without needing him to be boring. The whole movie sets a particular tone for Ronan's scenes vs the Guardians' scenes until those tones collide at the very end and one wins out, and I do like that approach, but I think people would complain less if Ronan's half of the story was genuinely compelling the way the other half is, in spite of the lack of comedy.
Ronan was fine in the movie. My problem with him was more that they took one of the most complex heroes in Marvel Comics and turned him into Marvel's least complex villain.
7 years late, but THANK YOU! Ronan might not be the most compelling villain when you put him in a vacuum, but given the context of the movie, he was written as a perfect foil to the main characters!
Another thing of note in baby groot’s dancing is that he shows how he takes after all of them as parents. His love of music (quill) his not wanting Drax to see him dance (Drax) his anger at the rat for “looking at him funny” (Rocket) and his fierceness in combat (Gamora)
I never really cared for Peter “getting the girl” because the way I see it he kind of did, but not in the classic way, but in the important way, especially after watching infinity war btw, he started to deal with his mom’s death, he didn’t get a sex buddy or a token girlfriend (as in other classic action movies) he got a person he loves, and who he wants to be with, he got rewarded not with the girl, but with a relationship he loves being in, and one he actually cares about it’s not main guy gets the girl, it’s main guy gets the chance to be complete in a place he wants to be
"My father would recount the story of impregnating my mother every winter solstice." "That's disgusting." "It was beautiful! You earthers have hang-ups." Favorite line in the film. Bautista was so sincere with that line.
I think that he has a good point if you analyse it too. No one could be here without doing "it". Whilst I'm here having to say "it" over what I actually mean so I don't get censored.
Bautista is so sincere with every damn line he says in the movie. I half get the feeling that his real dad used to recount the story of impregnating his mother every winter solstice.
mrtalos ..you mean “sex”? From what I can tell the reason censorship happens is so something can be shown to a wider demographic of people, and hence, make more money. Generally stuff that doesn’t make any money doesn’t need to censor itself-like how fanfiction is chock full of sex and rape and what not, but nobody cares ‘cause it doesn’t make any money (and even when it _does_ it makes money because of the creepy bits)
Dave Bautista in general has been the unsung hero of these movies. He’s been delightful and perfect in the role, unpretentious, and generally a pleasant surprise. I’m more than a little sad that he may go back to wrestling because he’s actually a pretty damn good actor and could be so much more than just another meathead who dies from brain damage. (Blade Runner 204whatever sealed it, he was one of the best parts of the movie.)
The thing that always gets me in this movie is Yondu's one loyal Ravanger that still believes in him. That one guy's arc over the course of the movie just GETS me, especially when he's all "you care about Peter more than you care about us" and the whole ending funeral bit.
KingTwelveSixteen The line that got me was "I didn't mean to start a mutiny....they killed all my friends." That just shows how simplicity and honesty can be the most powerful way to convey something to an audience.
This film has a lot of layers to the topic of family. I mean, who didn't see his complaint about Peters special treatment as essentially a sibling complaint? "I'm right here, please see me, why do you treat us so differently!"
Excellent observation. His betrayal came from his own frustration at being betrayed, at being treated as less important despite being more loyal. His arc is very emotionally real, and his being made whole is one of the stronger threads in the movie, even if not equally prominent.
And now I am crying. My father has Parkinsons. Today is the first day he didn't recognize me. This is so painful I don't even know. He was my hero. I love GotG, but never connected it to my beloved but now gone dad.
Please don't think of him as "now gone". He's not dead. I watched my grandpa rapidly decline, but it wasn't because of the Parkinson's he lived with -- it was the way people treated him as though he wasn't living anymore. Even when someone gets to the point where they are almost always out of it, there are a few moments where they come back. And in those moments, they need someone who knows, even if it's as simple as not talking about them in front of them (as if they're out of the room). I'm not saying you do these things or will do them, but hopefully this makes sense.
I lost my dad about six months before I watched this movie. He fell off a ladder and lingered 10 days in the hospital without ever waking up from surgery. I went into this movie totally blind. About halfway through, I paused it and went to look up Ego, because I didn't feel up to being blindsided by a betrayal. I went into the rest of the movie thinking I'd steeled myself. So I mean, yeah. Wanna start an 'ugly-crying at Guardians 2' club? I'll bring the whiskey if you'll bring the whiskey.
I actually liked the relationship between Mantis and Drax. It gave us one of the best lines of the movie and one of my personal favorites "When you're ugly and someone loves you then you know they love you for who you really are." "In that case, I am very glad to be ugly!"
Yeah, I shipped them for a while, but then I realized that their friendship is more meaningful than a romantic relationship would ever be. (She looks younger than him anyway)
Hi Lindsay, My dad passed this week due to covid and I miss him so much. I wanted to say thank you for making this video as it reminds me that I am not alone in going through this. Anyone who reads this, tell your parents you love them (if you do) because you don't know when it's going to be the last time.
See, the reason I enjoyed the second Guardians movie so much is because doesn't shy away from the flaws of the characters. It embraces them and brings them up. They aren't ignored and we see the characters deal with them in their own way. They're allowed to be emotional and it's refreshing.
Peter and Gamora not being together was an actual widespread genuine complaint?! If so, then all those people missed the thematic heart of guardians 2.
Also Drax is a nice deconstruction of the "MY! DEAD! FAMILY!" trope. He starts out as Kratos in the first movie. But other than Kratos he learns that seeking nothing but revenge will eventually get him and his allies killed. So he moves on from anger to acceptance. His family is gone. He still grieves. But he has learned how to deal with those powerful emotions. And Mantis is then flooded by powerful and complex emotions she probably has never experienced.
"Rocket engages in some serious self sabotage because he expects to be abandoned" hooookay that was a little too close Linds dawg, gonna go have a cry now bye bye
Also regarding Peter's immaturity being a bit unevenly handled might boil down to the fact that there are levels of immaturity that are acceptable and levels that aren't. Spending money on Lego sets can be an acceptable level of immaturity if you get the money for the kit by holding down a steady job and by saving some of your disposable income so you can allow yourself the occasional indulgence, but if you're jobless and wasting all your unemployment benefit on the same Lego set then it's an unacceptable level. Peter doesn't need to completely grow up because if he did he'd lose a big portion of his charm, but he does need to learn what is an acceptable level of immaturity and what isn't.
That's kinda what Marvel's been doing with Tony Stark, too. Tony's becoming progressively better and better at sidelining his immaturity when it's a liability, still able to fast-talk when he wants but not letting the fast-talk overwhelm his good sense.
I never sat and thought about why this movie affected me so much but I think it's because my father never fully accepted me after I came out to him.. and my greatest fear is he dies before him and I have made amends.
Sangie Nativus im sorry to hear that man. My dad and I also don't have a great relationship, although we are not estranged. I feel my dad always wanted a straight masculine son he could play ball with, he dreamed about it and well... let just say that is not what he got with me. I truly hope you can one day make reconcile with your dad. I mean it.
The Bible Reloaded I'm guessing this is Hugo, not Jake. I remember you saying you were a fan of Lindsay's, but it's always weird seeing one channel I regularly watch comment on another one.
+The Bible Reloaded The "Bible Reloaded" visiting channels connected to that guy with the glasses other than that of Brad Jones confirmed. I will now keep my eyes open on all of such channels that I visit.
whatsthejokersname Especially when said channel is occasionally a bit sexist. Though less so than other big RUclipsr Atheist channels. So yeah, bit of a shocker for me too.
As a guy in his late 20s, Peter and Gamoras relationship was really refreshing. As a nerd, I grew up with geek stories telling me that as long as I was a "good enough guy", I deserved a woman. Well, as many fellow geeks can attest, that rarely turns out well. Now as an adult, I know that maturity, stability, and trust are far more important than just being good enough. Saving the world doesn't mean you're entitled to someone else. Thinking that way sure doesn't make you heroic.
i wish youtube had emote likes because id love this post - what i love about this series is that it doesn't relegate women to prizes or currency, i grew up gaming myself, nearly 4 decades worth, i was never much interested in saving the princess or being told i was the princess. gotg goes so much further than anything in its genre to expressing that ALL people are flawed and deserving and are just navigating the human experience rather than filling the needs of others based on tropes
SuperRay64 or to offer another perspective: you just learned that different kinds of relationships have different requirements for reavhing the 'good enough' state. To bring this discussion back to the movie series Lindsey talks about in the video: even with all his flaws Peter could have had any number of one night stands and/or short flings were he inclined to. But since what he wanted is romance, partnership and companionship, he's still yet to become 'good enough'.
+Adrijana Radosevic The main problem with your argument is that pretty much every woman I know has multiple and different requirements for the men they want. There is no singular criterion you can fulfill to be attractive to "women" and no man is attractive to all women. Even if we only consider looks one of my female friends and I rarely agree upon celebrities we find physically attractive. People (including female people) have different tastes and different needs at different stages in life. PS from my own biased sampling of educated women, most actually married men of roughly equal career/job standing as themselves.
Isn't her ugly played for emotion? He calls her ugly, but her ugly filters out false companions for real ones. He says "it's okay to be ugly, cause when someone loves you, you know they love you for you". Also Drax is ugly, look at his skin, he's huge, and only had one love. When he tells her that she was ugly, it seemed as if he was speaking from an ugly perspective, which is himself. I thought it was a powerful scene. Though not as powerful as the part where Mantis feels Drax's feelings.
I totally agree, and I love how the writers paired Drax up w Mantis at all. 2 seemingly opposite characters, both physically and emotionally, realizing they’re the same.
He might be ugly to you, but he only thinks she's ugly because they are literally different species and have different concepts of what attractive means. Besides, whatever motivation the character might have, doesn't change how the movie frames it or the fact that the writers gave the character that motivation in the first place
I rewatched this movie about a week ago, and it was way better than I remembered it being when I saw it in theaters. It felt way more like a genuine movie that was one person's singular vision, and not just another cog in the massive Marvel movie machine. (Patent pending) This film, even moreso than the first one, had characters I genuinely cared about, a villain with an interesting history and motivation, and the sense not to get caught up in mindless spectacle. I think it's one of the best films the MCU has to offer (maybe my second favorite after Winter Soldier), and it managed to be a standout in a year where every other superhero movie (Logan, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man Homecoming) was also a standout.
Schaffrillas Productions I feel I need to rewatch this film to let it wash over me again as the humor that didn't work and the musical queues seemed to outshine the well written dialouge and well acted character moments. And yeeeah! Winter Soldier is my fave stand alone MCU film.
I have to say I was influenced by reviews telling that this move was fine, but not nearly as good as the first one ... and at my first viewing I left the cinema and though "yeah, it was fine" ... but I kept thinking about it and came to see it 2 more times. Now it definitly is my favourite Marvel movie. I like it better than the first one simply because it focusses more on the characters than any other MCU movie ... exept Winter Soldier and Civil War (parts of it). Characters is what make a good movie or even a TV show. Thats why you come back and rewatch movies so often ... thats why you you watch a show even in its 10th season.
Yeah, in contrast to anyone else, I consider this one equal to the first one. The first one does what it does better but this one is more flawed (the pacing is way off and is it a little bit overstuffed) but thematically more satisfying. And this last scene... The movies are a little bit like their respective soundtracks. The first one has a lot of songs which makes you want to dance, but don't have much of a meaning. The second one is full of songs which aren't quite as dance-friendly but have way more meaning, giving the movie an additional layer. My favourite MCU movie is still The Winter Soldier, though. I haven't watched movie, but Wonder Woman and Spider-man Homecoming both frustrated me. They were good movies, but not as emotionally satisfying as they could have been, and I feel that they could have been better with just a few tweaks. GotG Vol 2 has some flaws, too, but I honestly have a hard time to come up with a way to make it better (aside from shortening some of the jokes).
'Winter Soldier' fell SO flat for me (the first half is fantastic, the second half is painfully disappointing), but 'Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2' and 'Civil War' hit me in every single feel. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE CHARACTERS AND THEMES, YA'LL.
Feel the same way. GOG2 and WS (especially the climax, always gives me chills) are my favourite ones, and I actually didn't much like the first at all.
32:43 "Rocket's entire world view is built on the expectation that the people he loves will abandon him..." *watches Infinity War* Me: "Oh...my...God!" 😭 😭 😭
that part was so cute hahaha. Poor peter tho, that's just the saddest thing I've ever heard. Gamorah was kind of a Jerk to him after that, like, the dude is just catching up with his father, give him a break and do not break that so hard maybe?
well, she was kinda scared for him after hanging around Mantis who was giving off some weird vibes. Like yes she could have handled the argument better as Peter was getting gas lighted by his douchebag father their entire time on Ego but behind the yelling she really did care about Peter and wanted to help, its just that she was a bit too "rough" in how she went into it.
I pretty often said of my father "If he could feel even a fraction of the pain he's put me through" as a teenager, so Nebula's very similar line is always a punch in the gut. My father might not have been a monster who ripped me apart, but God, I never knew if I wanted him to be dead more or me.
It sounds like making this took a lot outta you. Literally. Like, you're voice was shaking harder than Shakira's hips during the eulogy section. You one tough hombre lady. I lost a parent a long time ago and it took damn near a decade before I came anywhere close to being able to come to terms with it enough to speak about it.
I know Quill's arc is what most people remember from this sequel but I'm happy to see a review actually give focus on Rocket's arc Its rare for me to see archetypes like Rocket, who are often kept static to preserve their status as the series edgy mascot, having their abrasive and psychotic behaviour get called out and deconstructed
This was nice to come back to. Because Rocket’s trauma and gradual acceptance over that fear of rejection feels deeply layered throughout all three movies. Of him ultimately becoming a better person. From him losing his one best friend in Groot 1 in the first movie, whose act of selflessness and love seems to have really stuck with Rocket. Or Yondu’s Ravager buddies ultimately forgiving him for an act of selfishness and emotional vulnerability, in Yondu’s adoption of Peter. You feel those walls of insecurity and fear break down, and in 3, you see behind those walls.
I feel like time will be very kind to these movies for just how much they've got going on under the hood, particularly their themes about broken homes, relationships, and non-traditional families in mainstream cinema.
I watched my mother die when I was six years old. It gets a little tiring that every hero in every franchise seems to have had a similar back story, yet it's something the authors clearly know nothing about. They see "dead mom" as the perfect torment, yet they never actually contend with what it's like.
Are you saying that others haven't lost parents? Because a bloody lot of people have. In fact, a dead parental figure is so popular in writing because it's something a lot of writers can relate to as they write it. Just because it doesn't tickle your pickle, doesn't mean it's not relevant or relatable to someone else.
@@drd444pretty sure the main point of the comment isn’t that not many people have lost their moms, it’s that people write in a way that suggests that they don’t understand the pain of losing their mom, even if they have actually. They want more quality in the writing of this popular trope. I’m not sure why you were so triggered by that..
My father kicked me out of home. It has been nearly a year. The things that he has said and done to me makes me hate him with every ounce of my being. And it HURTS. It hurts because he has once been my hero. It hurts because he was the one who always told me how family is the most precious thing we have, and then abandon me over some stupid prejudice. The characters in this movie have resonated so much with me, specially Rocket. I could not stop crying at the Yondu and Rocket scene, I am crying right now just by remembering it. This movie really hit home for me. Also, excellent video. I didn't know this channel before, but I think I'll be sticking around.
I am sorry for that. I happen to be straight, but I know and even have family that went through the same thing. Two of my cousins were kicked out. One of them was accepted back when the family was broken and he offered tô save them. The other one was accepted back when her father went to the hospital and she was his only child to go take care of him -.- Anyway. I hope you all the best. None of these is your fault and you deserve more.
Are you taking about the scene when Yondu and Rocket arrive at Ego but Yondu finally calls out Rocket for him putting on "tough skin" even though he's probably the most scared of all just like Yondu? Yeah, I teared up too.
I can't imagine what you're going through... only that I hope your pops comes around. Either way, I also hope you one day find it in you to forgive him... life's too short to spend hating. It's like taking poison and expecting the other person to die ^^
@@jakespacepiratee3740 Issue is he probably will have expectations which may sabotage that. To put it in perspective imagine your significant other was in an accident. They recover eventually but they have amnesia going back to a year or two before they met you. They have no idea, or close enough, of who you are and your attempt at affection are likely to come off as weird at best to unwelcomed and obsessive at worse. They are likely to be confused and unwilling to trust you completely because of how unfamiliar things seem. It's not a perfect parallel of course but there are some significant similarities.
@@Darth_Insidious A normal movie would have Peter woo Gamora until she regained the level of relationship with him she had in the past. Marvel isn't as much into breaking expectations as other producers, but it is difficult to tell which way they want to go with it.
@@josephperez2004 Maybe (and this is wishful thinking) having to deal with this loss in the face of the even bigger loss he could have to have dealt with if Gamora was completely lost to him will make him mature.......? Fingers crossed!
God, as an child abuse survivor this move genuinely hits hard. The scene where Ego sings "Brandy" gives me genuine chills due to how accurate to an abuser about to snap it is
To further your point on Nebula and Gamora. I found Infinity War to be so rewarding for their character arc, something a lot of people actually overlook. Gamora actually stopped Thanos from torturing Nebula, which was presumably the first time she'd ever done so, therefore solidifying their growth and development as characters. It was a well needed step forward in solidifying how Gamora understands that she let her sister down, even if she was young at the time, and now that she's older she's willing to do anything to protect her from anymore of Thanos' harm. The abusive parent theme was ever-present in Infinity War with Thanos. I'd love to hear your take on how they handled his "love" for Gamora. Personally, I can't understand how people are able to sympathise with Thanos just because he shed a tear after throwing his daughter off a cliff. Do you think it was intentional to want people to sympathise with Thanos during that scene? I just don't think I'll ever be able to.
Me too! I don't think I've ever had a moment in the theater where I've been so hurt. It ripped me apart! I'd love to see that too - so she can give him one last piece of her mind.
I think Thanos' position is only understandable when you look at what truly drives him. He is, above all else, a paragon- he cannot avoid doing something he feels is right. The reason he is a villain is that what he feels is incontrovertibly right is essentially genocide. But he honestly, truly believes this is the only way to save the galaxy, the only way to avoid a greater number of deaths. What makes Thanos... understandable (I don't sympathise personally) is that with nearly any other set of beliefs, he would be a true hero, a force for good. Instead, he is a paragon of utilitarianism, where he is willing to sacrifice the desires of any individual, including himself, to achieve what he believes is the greater good. That is both compelling, and terrifying, because it subverts what we commonly understand about paragons and those who stand up for doing the "right" thing.
Way back when I watched it I couldn't help but feel that Thanos walked straight into the same trap that the Soul stone's guardian mentioned: He thought he knew the price, but failed. He got the Stone...but didn't pay the right price, and it'll come back and bite him in the end. In the comics, Thanos often failed in his schemes due to his own inability to admit his own flaws or mistakes. See, the price was what Thanos loved the most. Thanos took that to mean Gamora, because he thinks he loves her. But he doesn't. He loves the *idea* of being the wise father, but he's an abusive monster. His idea of showing "love" was to give a child a murder weapon while he was killing her parents. No, the thing Thanos loves most is his mad scheme to kill half the universe. And he didn't give that up. He paid the *easy* price, the one he pretends to love because he can't fathom that he's the bad guy. It's as if D-Fens in "Falling Down" had continued his rampage at the end when faced with the reality of his actions due to not admitting he was wrong.
@@SirGrimLockSmithVIII care to explain? i thought despite nebula's amount of screen time, i thought they really didn't do much with her (or at least, the other version of her.) i kinda wasn't satisfied with what they did with her.
Really well done. My wife and I had many of the same feelings. She lost her father to suicide in 2015 (while I lost my mother in 2003). It was very emotional for us. We were crying throughout (and laughing). Definitely could see the abuse thread more clearly in this film. The themes of abuse, of family, of loss, of mental health, and of moral support are so crucial in this movie. Ironically, a movie about a talking raccoon, a walking baby tree, a living planet person, and a guy named Tazerface has been the most "real" superhero movie, at least emotionally, in my lifetime. Thank you, Lindsay.
As the child of a verbally abusive mother, here is my take on Yondu's redemption arc. While what he did over the course his adoptive son's life wasn't right, I am able to forgive him the same way Peter does because he actually acknowledges that what he did was wrong and he shows genuine love and compassion by putting his adoptive son's life before his own. For me, there is nothing more painful than living through abuse and not even hearing someone admit that what they did was wrong. Additionally, admitting and apologizing for their mistakes or putting their child before themselves is something that other abusive fathers like Ego and Thanos would never do and, for me, that's what makes them cross the line into irredeemably bad.
Agreed. For me, it was also really understanding the environment my mother grew up in - surviving a totalitarian regime, starvation, having her family be ostracized because her father was deemed an enemy of the people, and then immigrating to a foreign country because she wouldn’t be stifled any more than she already had been. My mom has always been motivated by the right thing even if she chose hurtful and destructive ways to parent. She never took any sort of joy in being this way and the way she would repeat “it was for your own good/it was to protect you” became a mantra less to convince me and more to convince herself, the same way Yondu was with Peter. Even then, she has deep regrets about not having more patience to deal with 2 kids. We were living hand to mouth and she’s only human. Getting Yondu’s backstory was very much like really internalizing what my mom’s life was like - there were some very rough circumstances in which they were trying to nurture children. Eventually, those children grow up into adults and if you’re truly a good person and did your job right as a parent, they eventually see you as fallible and can forgive you.
America is also arguably on the cusp of a crisis about masculinity and it's changing definitions, where the old and the new sides of it have not yet been harmoniously integrated or honoured. So it sets some people off to feel that one side is being possibly denigrated.
Can I just say Lindsay is one of the best reviewers / analysers of media who delivers top notch content? I love that her videos always look at things at a different pov and notices a depth in things that I watch or like that I didnt notice. I liked Guardians 2 but for the life of me (aside from character development) wasnt sure why I really liked it. Props for Lindsay being overall awesome 👍🏼
What you said about the present his mom gave him is reflected in this movie. when peter yells "you shouldn't have killed my mom and squished my Walkman. the thing that got squished was the last piece of his mother he had." he can be seen listening too it earlier when he's first going to ego's planet and is nervous about the whole prospect. and the symbolism of the last thing yandu gives too him also being a music player cements him as the father figure that the movie is trying to paint him as.
The discussion of Peter in this vid is reminding me why Infinity War and Endgame’s treatment of Peter and Gamora bugged me. We essentially only see them at the end of their story. As this assumption that they will get together, despite Peter being depicted more like his GotG 1 immature self. Which is why GotG 3’s conclusion is pretty interesting. That they’ve both found places where they’re more complete people, but haven’t had to find that in each other.
I would like to say that I really appreciate how in your videos (not just this one) you slow down for a minute when using triggery terms like "toxic masculinity" to explain how it is being used. A lot of people use these terms and seem to assume we all know exactly what they mean. more often than not though many of us only know the surface value of the term (raises hand) and I personally find that using these terms tend to put me on the defensive (and ultimately turns me against the speaker) even when I would otherwise completely support whatever viewpoint was being expressed. thank you for taking the time to make sure dummies like me understand how you are using these terms.
What an excellent comment. I feel exactly the same way. Easy to feel like your back's up against the wall due to a fundamental misunderstanding or misuse of terminology.
@@Spearced and the big thing is people do it all the time! How many enemies could people turn into allies if they just took the time to make sure the audience understands their choice of words? :)
I agree, but I also do think it's partially the job of a person engaging in a conversation on the Internet (where Google is literally right there), to figure out what it actually does mean.
My father was a monster and although the Yondu stuff broke me (weeping in the theater) due to my relationship with my grandfather who passed away from cancer, the Gamora/Nebula stuff struck me even harder. I was Nebula, holding unfair resentment and anger against my sister for something that she didn't even have control over. It took me a long time to accept some of that stuff. The "You will always be my sister" line broke me.
This video was phenomenal, Lindsay. Without a doubt one of the best I've seen in months. Your insight is articulate and well-explained, your knowledge of storytelling is informative, and you really manage to maintain the heart of the matter while still being funny and keeping the proper amount of entertainment and levity. Terrific stuff. The only thing I disagree with in this video is your complaint that Peter Quill is mischaracterized/mixed-up in Vol 2 - that the movie is confused between his immaturity being a good thing and a bad thing. Personally, I think the most interesting characters in film/stories are ones that live in a tension between a positive and negative manifestation of the same trait. Peter's immaturity is neither good nor bad - it's, as he might say, "a bit of both." One one end of the spectrum, it means he's a kid at heart and a guy with a strong sense of fun and joy. He's also more creative and out-of-the-box than some heroes would be. On the other, as you noted, it means he's sometimes not able to take responsibility for his actions and lets ego get in the way of his family. But instead of saying that this means the character is "confused" or "mischaracterized" - I'd prefer to say that he lives in a tension between the two sides. His immaturity is a character trait that makes him - well, HIM - but when taken too far, it can have negative effects on other people. I hope I'm making sense. Again, I adored the video. Perfect example of what I love about video essays and new perspectives on YT. Can't wait to see what's next!
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I think when it comes to Peter's immaturatiy and love of pop culture and media that shaped him it's all about finding that balance. It was positive in that in the first film it's what saved the day against Ronan and brought the Guardians of the Galaxy together. in the second film it results in arrogance and getting his friends and loved ones in harms way. Do I agree it can be bad? To a point yeah but too much of anything is harmful. You can love pop culture and you can be your immature self to a point, but his arc I think is learning how to balance that out and know when it's okay to be immature and when to buck up. Also like, it would mean Peter in his growth would have to get when pop culture shouldn't be taken too far. As Lindsay points out in his thought process in his relationship with Gamora. He's confused and annoyed that she doesn't want to be with him officially and compares it to media he's seen and how these things usually play out. Granted he's not REALLY bad like lots of guys and men out there but he has a similar view point of "I don't get it, why isn't this girl with me when that's how it always goes?". For that, the structure of media he likes doesn't apply. Because it's life.. Life isn't the shows and media you like at the end of the day. I think I rambled a bit in my response to you. Sorry I just really like these movies and Peter and Gamora's interactions really stood out to me, especially with how different it wants to be and is compared to most other movies.
I was abused as a child by my parents, as were siblings. The theme of abuse wasn't lost on me. The film doesn't have it perfectly, but it opens a dialog about complex relationships. The bit with Gamora and Nebula resonated big time. Great vid, as always. Worth the delay. 😀
guardians 2 is better than 95% of superhero films..cause its about flawed people coming together embracing their flaws celebrating them and accepting them at its core.......its beautiful as a concept...crazy how no hero film used that as its basis really prior to that....its the biggest surprise film for me ever..i heard it was really bad..its shockingly good....its just subtle and unique...if you are a well off perfect person with no personal issues then this film will not touch you..as a weirdo at heart this film made me feel over and over....its meant for us flawed outcasts..its not mainstream...kids probably did not even get the themes thus it will not be their fave as they grow up and list these films...i suggest it over 1...its way more interesting concept wise...1 is pure entertainment and good for 1 viewing every 7 years and leaves you will a better first impression...2 sits with you longer and overtakes it once you actually think about them...kinda like how you watch mission impossible 2 and matrix reloaded and at first you enjoy them over the first films but the more you think about them they are less interesting and just entertained you more as a burst of stuff happening that kept your interest but barley stimulated your brain or feels..yeah for me i like guardians 1 but 2 is way more rewatchable
Same here! I was expecting some feels, but I wasn't expecting to literally cry. This truly is a beautiful video, that highlights the strengths of these movies and how they can register on so many levels.
You both (and everyone else, all of you) knew what was coming, it's in the title! Sometimes it feels good to cry though, even if it's at a cheesy mary poppin's joke; the foreshadowing was so strong we knew he wasn't long for these galaxies 😭.
One could use this with the movies themselves. “Ooh! New Marvel movie! And the trailers looked great. This is gonna be fun!” *a la SpongeBob* Five minutes later... *sobbing*
*Before video:* "Oh boy, I love the funny Raccoon movies!" *After video:* Realizes Rocket suffers from the same mental crap I inflict onto myself. "Oh..."
honestly, I feel like more like star lord in an emotional sense ( no my father never threatened to eat me or made me do crime, though he was an asshole like a lot cause he has his own issues)
I'm not saying that the scene with Drax and Mantis on the steps is necessarily *good* , but it gets better when you keep in mind that, A, Drax does feel endearment towards Mantis, B, Mantis knows that, and, C, Drax knows Mantis is an empath
It's interesting how you mention that it really is personal what struck you about the movie. I cried during GOTG2 over Yondu as well, but GOTG1 struck me more personally. As a white, American male with a mother who's suffered from cancer twice now and whose name happens to be shared with the main character, the entire sub-plot about Quill's mother *killed* me. At the end, when the camera shows his mother's letter and it's addressed "To Peter", I couldn't help the tears. EDIT: Now I'm crying about Rocket not feeling he deserves to be loved and creating scenarios for his friends to reject him, but them choosing to forgive him anyway. A great video about a great movie.
With the whole Drax and Mantis thing I really want you to see my perspective on why I think it still plays a role in going through early abuse. As someone who deals with a lot of self worth problems, it wasn't until I was able to make jokes of my appearance that I started feeling better about myself. Years of being told I was ugly, annoying, fat, gay, etc. really messed me up and left me not valuing myself or even going the route of Rocket and expecting the people closet to me to abandon me. Being able to joke around about it, especially with someone I care about, and speak to someone who is honest with me is so damm refreshing. It's not until you love yourself, even the stuff you perceive to be bad, that you learn what it means to have meaning in yourself. We're not perfect, and that's okay. You learn to love your "flaws" and work to improve yourself for you and those closest to you. I love Drax and Mantis relationship throughout the movie because although Drax can be crude, he's honest. Ego seems to be a giant liar through the movie and as someone who grew up on lies and secrets, to have someone be honest with you to the point of recognizing AND EVEN POINTING OUT your flaws or insecurities yet still caring about you is almost magical. It helps you realize that it's not about appearances or perceived flaws, but how we move past it and love ourselves regardless. And I mean come on, you can't tell me those scenes of Mantis and Drax laughing together aren't adorable. It's like seeing that couple who openly mocks each other but laughs at every single comeback.
Well Drax does explicitly state that he's picking on Mantis as a way of "subtly" letting her know he's not interested. (He picks a pretty terrible time to state this too.) Which feels a bit like an elementary school / Helga Pataki way of saying he might totally be interested? I agree that I love their relationship, especially the scene where Mantis "empathizes" with Drax and begins to cry. It's a beautiful scene, which I think solidifies that neither character is reducible to the mere comic relief most people seem to think they are. Curious to see how they're treated in Vol 3, since we didn't really get any developments on their friendship/possibly more in Infinity War beyond them often being shown together. (In the "Invisible Drax" scene, Mantis enters and only says hi to Drax, kinda ignoring Peter and Gamora - of course it's more convenient for the joke that way, but also makes sense if she's still much closer to Drax than the rest. In Endgame (not a spoiler), Rocket also calls her "the chick with the antennas," further suggesting that only Drax is still particularly close with Mantis.)
beanie man Yes, you are completely right!! DISCRIMINATION AGAINST BUG-ALIEN LADIES MUST STOP, AND IT MUST STOP NOW!!! Truly one of the greatest societal issues of our times.
"His lovable immaturity is both framed as relatable, but also as a character flaw." _insert fairly relevant bojack horseman quote_ I don't think that it's inherently a problem for both to be there, because immaturity and maturity like everything else is a spectrum. It's about balance.
Yes, and some of what she takes as his immaturity are... pop culture references? It never once occurred to me that Peter's pop culture references were supposed to be a sign of his immaturity or a character flaw he needs to grow out of. He can grow as a person who dials down his ego and has healthier relationships and still enjoy the same pop culture references, and that's probably exactly where his character is headed.
Late, but it's a matter of framing. No, you can't present someone's immaturity as both charming and a flaw that must be addressed and corrected. Why must it be corrected if it's charming and positive? It's poignant that you bring up Bojack here, because a lot of his "quirks" in season 1 lead directly to destroyed lives and character deaths in later seasons. It becomes a detriment and a drag following him, for me personally and a lot of women anyway.
The way mantis is treated is very reflective of our attitude today. We like to "feel" for people who are damaged but they need to be dealing with the said damage in certain ways. The way mantis treats the abuse is very different than all the other characters from the movie, she's not aggressive, or obviously upset, or particularly immature or in any ways resentful. She's dealing with the abuse by working around the abuser. And even after being free from the abuser she shows little signs of dealing with it in the way others do, she seems submissive and an enabler but that's not particularly the way she may see herself. To her it may not be so, she has powers and knows how to use them but doesn't seems to try to run away from her abuser, she maintains healthy sense of empathy and autonomy but still happens to be not be angry. She deals with her abuse in a way we would not approve of today, she's weak. That's why they all make fun of her, she is affected by it but she's not defined by it, she will be only a bit different after being free, she's already quite fine. Her arc is not going to be a journey of self healing to the extent it is for our main characters. She doesn't need help as such. Therefore shes can't be sympathised with.
Devyani Singh This is a really interesting way to look at this character. Unlike the others she has decided to accept the abuse as a form of self preservation. This is something the other characters talk about having to deal with at some previous point in their lives.
@@madlenlang no, she has NOT accepted the abuse as a form of self preservation. That is the argument that the ones who dislike Mantis have. She accepts the abuse because she accepts the abuse. She WORKS AROUND the abuser as a form of self preservation. SHE HAS NOT ACCEPTED THE ABUSE TO PROTECT HERSELF, she just works around it. There is a difference. BUT unfortunately we as a society are only sympathetic with the ones who don't accept the abuse, who fight against it, who are hurt and therefore have significant emotional trauma and damage done to them. An ideal perfect hero would (technically) be one who does accept the abuse but after a significant amount of time building up powers and strategy would take down the abuser- something which either has not existed yet or could only be possible if the person was saintly, a god or being guided by some heavenly figures in secret, either ways, we would still not sympathise with such character unless they were showing some sort of emotional trauma or hurt or some damage the abuse has caused them. Guardians of the Galaxy is like.... an alternate version of Cinderella. If the story of Cinderella had shown mortal danger to her and the story of abuse of her step sisters. But when was the last time you caught yourself feeling sad for Cinderella? As a kid maybe? When you were like 5? That's what we need to get back to to sympathise with Mantis, a little kid who sees another person in pain. THATS IT. Not seeing how they dealt with it, not what they did about it, just felt bad that something bad was happening to someone.
Devyani Singh I’m pretty sure we’re arguing the same point and your objection is just over an issue of phrasing. I don’t think Mantis is weak or “less than” for accepting the abuse. In fact, protecting oneself from certain doom at the abuser by accepting it is completely normal and happens in real life. It is itself a form of strength which is why I enjoyed the portrayal of this character and the interpretation presented in this video. We tend to tell stories of the hero who actively fights against the abuser (as is the case with Peter and Gamora). In this story we see a character actively trying to navigate through ongoing abuse. Even those “heroes” went through a time where they accepted or tolerated the abuse because they weren’t in a position to fight or escape (again Peter and Gamora). What is also interesting here is that sometimes you can’t escape on your own. Mantis needed help, she needed to form bonds with people other than her abuser to take action against the abuse and she overcame this obstacle with the help of others. She does not meet the “hero” archetype describes above but that does not make her weak or less of a sympathetic character.
I like this read of Mantis. There were aspects of her character that I liked (I actually was rather fond of her interactions with Drax), but overall, I was uncomfortable with how she was treated as a kind of throw-away joke in certain other scenes, especially in retrospect. She reminded me a LOT of women that I knew growing up in a very small, very fundamentalist religious environment where abuse and male narcissism were rife. The actress seems to really "get" the psychology and does a very good job in portraying it with her body language. You're absolutely correct that it's a "working around" the abuser to survive. Instead of putting up walls to survive, they do the opposite. They learn to intimately understand people, so that they can predict their behavior. With this comes a certain amount of empathy for the abuser's perspective.... But of course, since the other characters have all chosen to do the opposite, she reads as weak or silly to them. I think you probably hit the nail on the head that society has a hard time sympathizing with women like this. It's hard to get into the mindset of someone who has the power to leave an abuser, but doesn't. I'm not sure I agree that she wouldn't have any healing to do. Her internalization of the victim identity is probably something she would have to work through, eventually. But she is not likely to deal with it in unhealthy, self-destructive ways as the other characters do, and that makes for a less interesting story, from a fiction perspective. :)
Misty Mikes If I may comment about what you said at the end about Mantis not participating in harmful/unhealthy self-destructing behaviour in the future or at all. I unfortunately have some personal experience with that would disagree with that statement. Sure people who use the same method she is portrayed using to cope with her abuser are less prone to violent outbursts and such but self-destruction isn't always violent. Some great examples of would be eating disorders, hoarding, non substance addiction like shopping, gaming or exercise. Where people will spend beyond their means acquiring huge amounts of debt, loose sleep or all connection to reality because they can't escape a/several/must100% a game, or they workout to literal exhaustion every day compulsively. Sure there are less casualties or passers by hurt in their destructive behaviour but that's due to their empathetic nature. They know how painful everything is so they work extra hard to do everything in their power to keep from hurting anyone else and often spiral into tunnel vision on their "secret" destruction. It's usually only when these types of people fall into substance addiction and are either "party or angry" drunks that people notice and say something. Unless someone close to them actually notices and says something. Or they themselves become aware while in therapy. Anyway yea it's sad that media only takes the angry and mad abused individual seriously while the gentle "I need to tiptoe around this minefield to survive" abused gets laughed at and not taken as seriously.
My little brother died in his sleep, and I have a soft spot for sibling angst in movies. I even cried during It part 1 when Bill and Georgie met at the end. I’m sorry you lost your dad.
The themes of Infinity War and GotG Vol. 2 seem to go hand-in-hand which is not totally surprising considering James Gunn had a lot to do with Infinity War considering that both take a heavy and realistic view at abuse. The scene of Gamora crying after she thought she killed Thanos is so sobering because we realize that despite all he's done, Gamora still at the most basic level loves Thanos, her life-long abusive father
My grandfather died 4 years ago and I wasn't able to make the funeral, as I live on the opposite end of the country and couldn't afford the flight at the time. To this day, I have not watched the recording of it that my mom gave to me. I, and many others, can relate to Peter.
For what it's worth- You didn't do anything wrong by not being able to get there. The fact that you think about him, that you *miss* him, shows how deeply you loved and how you're trying to honor him now. Nobody could ask for more. You're doing right by him. It's okay to not be ready to watch the recording, yet. *internet hugs*
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I love the concept that Ego realized that he was willing to give up both his godhood, his genocide plan, his EVERYTHING for the human concept of LOVE for a single human person. And that terrified him.
And after this (based on her apparent age), he needs Mantis to help him sleep at night.
The movie's central theme is about learning that vulnerability is not a weakness, so naturally the villain is someone who refused to be vulnerable. Even the side-villain of Taserface... I mean, he calls himself Taserface (and apparently thinks that's cool). We don't even know his real name, and he's motivated by a frustration with Yondu's vulnerability toward Peter.
@@davidbjacobs3598 awesome catch.
I feel like that is narcissism in a nutshell.
@@davidbjacobs3598 I always thought he needed help sleeping due to the unknown amount of his own children he's been killing
@@octaviogonzalez8794 Could be both, but the movie does seem to dwell a lot on how Peter and his mother were special to Ego. We even get the line where Ego says very convincingly that he couldn't bear to go back to Earth knowing she would no longer be there.
"He engages in some serious self sabotage, because deep down he expects to be abandoned by the people he loves" Damn, that hit me deep.
this definitely isn't me or anything
nope.
definitely not that.
ikr
Yeah I can relate. At times my mind even goes to the extent to believe that it's fate or destiny for everyone I love to abandon me. But I try my best to think optimstically and treat people well in the hope that they'll stick around.
Damn, I relate to that on such a deep level..
I especially love the fact that Drax is the one to tell Nebula that the Guardians are a family because you know he meant it literally, whereas some people call their friends family coz they're really close but Drax genuinely feels that he has a family again
I love Drax so much 😭
Drax like autisme peoples, similar, they get everything literaly.
Some kind of pure heart.
Also he's the only one of them who had a real family to compare it to.
@@topbadgun Don't put autism on a pedestal. We're people, as flawed as anyone else.
@@DaDunge "pedestal" what the fuckary are you try to saying ? You mean i'm idolizing a disorder ? Have you has any kind of direct contact with peoples had autism ?
I do, voluntier, and they like Drax, literaly my friend said: "Did he have autisme like me ?"
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Don't twiste my word, mate.
My favorite part of any Marvel movie is in Guardians 2 when Mantis touches Drax so she can feel his emotions and she just starts crying. But he’s doing nothing but sitting there like everything is normal. It’s the best representation of depression I’ve ever seen
It's like chronic pain, you get used to it and might look fine, but it still hurts. Drax has chronic grief.
@@BadHattie Plus hysical and emotional pain can start feeding off each other, turning it into an uroboros.
When you start talking about the abuse side of things, and how it its so complicated, watching this after seeing infinity war and that scene when Gamora was crying after she had thought she had actually killed Thanos...damn, I found that moment was a surprisingly honest representation of a complex abusive parent relationship
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Or the fact that Thanos literally ripped Gamora's sisters arms off and replaced them with robotic arms..
Movies with Mikey talks about this point.
ruclips.net/video/M7Skq8UtJpY/видео.html
His video is worth a watch, ultimately the point is that Infinity War leaves a bad taste in some folks mouths because of how abuse is handled.
Lindsey has mentioned Mikey in videos before and Mikey Lindsey. If you enjoy one it may be fair to say you'd enjoy the other, however this is not a usual video for Mikey. Much like Cinema wins, Mikey tries to strictly focus on positive deconstructions of movies he likes. Hate proliferates... which is kind of the problem with Infinity War.
Lol, after watching Infinity War you realize Gamora could potentially place herself as the most messed up child of all of them, but doesn't 'cause she has the maturity to not worry about it too much.
A moment I love in Guardians Vol. 2 is when Rocket tells Peter that Yondu "stole batteries he didn't need". At first it's seen as a throwaway line, Rocket just trying to show Peter the drawn comparison between the two, but then you remember that Ego referred to Peter as a battery before the final fight. Yondu really did steal batteries he didn't need, except the battery (Peter) ended up being something he needed more than anything
Noah Barnes oh wow I didn't catch the double meaning
That's an excellent point!
HOLY SHIT I HADN'T REALIZED THAT AND NOW I'M CRYING ACTUAL TEARS
huh
Think you're reaching there
Yandu got me bad too.
My stepfather was very stereotypical manly man. He never hugged us. He loved cars, camping, motorbikes, pubs, girl posters, sports. All things manly and great outdoors. Out of my sister and I, while she has more stereotypically feminine interests, she was the doted-on one of us two, as she was the more adventurous one. I've always suffered from anxiety and it was *bad* when I was a teenager. I was quiet and didn't like to leave the house much. He would encourage us to try riding his motorbike or get the snakes out of the paddock with him, and I always refused. It was a source of frustration for both of us. He was infertile and just wanted a kid to teach stuff to. His own father was absent, so for him, this was his one chance to go on family camping trips, and teach the kids fishing. She was also younger. I was 11, and she was just 6 when he moved in with the family. I was already someone else's kid, at that age, from his eyes. To give you an idea of his level of stoicness, when my other sister died, he sat down with me and said "It sucks", and that was probably the most emotional thing I'd ever heard from him.
I refused a lot, and when I did go, I would often get jumpy or scared. I remember once we were building a shed in one of the old paddocks and I stepped on a stick, which whacked up on my leg. I screamed "Snake!", thinking I'd gotten bitten by a snake, since our farm, being in Australia, was filled with them. He came sprinting from the other side of the paddock, dropping everything and kneeling down to examine it and when I, rather sheepishly explained it was a stick and I'd panicked, his fear turned to rage and he yelled at me, and I yelled back. The frustrations that we both knew we had, but never said before, just poured out. "I don't want to be out here in the heat building a stupid shed anyway!" "Why can't you just be normal?" "Why can't we do the things I want to do sometimes?" "Why can't you just join in with the family?"
This argument never got resolved. We eventually got a little closer, finding a happy medium in action movies, and going to garage sales. Something sufficiently "Manly" for him and something that didn't stress me out, but when we argued, as family does, the same insults would come out. "Why are you weird?" "Why do you have to make sure everyone likes you?" and the worst thing I think I've ever said to anyone "You're not even my real dad." I didn't even really mean it and the hurt on his face when I said that, said a lot to me.
I later found out that from mum that the reason he never hugged us was because he was always scared of those words. He always felt he wasn't our "real father" and getting close to that extent would have made that awful feeling worse. My real father was an addict and an arsehole. Still, I never called my step father dad, and my step father never hugged me.
My mother and he eventually broke up when I was 19. His working hours were taking a toll on their relationship and it ended amicably. They were still close friends and met up often.
Then came a couple of years ago. We hadn't talked in ages since I was away at uni, but he took my sister and I out shopping, and then we had lunch. He told me he was proud of me for moving to another city. He told me he was proud of how far I'd come, but other than that, we didn't speak about emotional stuff. We never had. As he dropped us off in his truck at my mum's, my sister got out and I hesitated, looking to him, I wanted to tell him that I did love him, that he was my father. But then the moment passed.
A month later, my mum called me to tell me that he'd died. It had been a car accident on a camping trip, the driver had been drinking and flipped the car.
I saw this movie 3 days after his funeral. I didn't know this scene was going to happen and I had tears streaming down my face in the cinema. Father and Son had played at my sister's funeral, and played at his too. Peter's relationship with Yondu felt like so much of a mirror to my own feelings about my stepfather, right down to not really realising how good he'd been till the last moment, despite how rough he'd treated me, that I felt like someone involved in the writing HAD to have gone through the same. It was the only time I've ever gotten emotional at a film, and even seeing the clips in this video had me tearing up all over again. The impact and importance of examining family relationships under this lens cannot be understated. Too often a parent's death in a movie is cut and dry "They were perfect, now they're gone", a way to prompt action, or a way to add plot angst to a character's backstory without really working for it.
We need to see more complicated emotions and relationships. Films work best as a reflection of ourselves. I just didn't expect a Marvel film to be the one that delivered that emotional depth I didn't know I was craving out of film's handling of strained family relationships.
Oh my god I almost cried reading this
I did cry reading this.
Thank you for sharing your story ❤️
I want you to know that I feel your story. Do remember though. that just because this story resonated with you, does not mean there are no stories out there that don't that resonate the same way with others. just a quick example I'm a boy that has had gender dysphoria and Mulan resonated with me in a similar way. Don't think Hollywood is hopeless, even the trashiest movie may have had a similar effect on someone else.
I also cried
My favorite scene of Guardians is in Vol. 2 when Mantis feels Drax's sadness over the death of his wife and daughter. A sense of peace comes over him. He's come to terms with his past. Yet Mantis feels his pain and bursts into tears.
It's a sadly beautiful moment that shows Drax's depression. He is an example of a paradox I've seen as common in my life: the happiest person in the room is often one of the saddest. Even when you "leave" the mourning stage, the sadness never leaves or dissipates. Drax is a character who speaks completely literally, however his sadness is never addressed besides this scene because he avoids addressing it.
With rumors that Moondragon (Drax's daughter) will appear in Vol. 3, Drax's chance to address his depression may be coming. I hope it does because after typing all of this, Ive realized how much I love Drax as a character.
that is the sad clown stereotype(or sad stand-up comedian nowadays with people like Robin Williams as a damn good example).
about moondragon, they took out a lot of comic Drax when they made the transition to the movie. hope they show more of his past on the next movie(they say it will focus on rocket but to me the volume 2 focused enough already they could make his past the main plot point on the 3 volume with his "father" being the villain but focus on Drax and mantis that are the ones with least past exposition).
Damn, had no idea how much I wanted this perspective til I got it.
@@lucasbiermann257 My guess is that Rocket's plot will be the primary plotthread of the movie while Drax and Moondragon will fill the sorta Rocket/Yondu dynamic vol 2 had
I personally interpret that scene differently. I don't think he has come to terms with his past, as we see in infinity war he still hates Thanos and wants revenge. I also don't think a sense of peace has come over him, and instead he's just thinking about them, and how much he misses them without showing it. When Mantis feels his feelings she is very overwelmed by sadness. She know what Drax is going through, much more than any other Guardian. This I feel makes their relation really strong compared to the other ones.
A simple scene of one character touching the arm of another character can be Interpreted in so many different ways but different people. Thats what I love about the internet.
It's a great metaphor for the power of empathy and sharing the emotional load with someone in pain.
Wow Rocket losing everyone at the end of infinity war suddenly feels way more brutal now.
Draskinn it feels like this was all planned, especially the fact that the last few frames of vol 2 are rocket, and only rocket.
Jesus I didnt think of that.
Dude, at least put a spoiler warning... A little consideration for others won't kill you, you know?
Kiera TheGayGal
In that case, Kevin Feige is a damn mad genius.
Thanks, haven't seen it yet but what's the point now.
"Rocket's entire worldview is based on the idea that the people he love will abandon him."
*Me after watching Infinity War:* ...those bloody genius screenwriters...
Holy shit.
After end game if you notice he's not even angry at being called a bulid a bear. He doesn't lose it once he finally let people in and then he lost them all he's completely defeated.. the one time he dose lose it it's with Thor getting in the way of bringing them back.
Justin Vance either that or, being from space, he has no idea what a build a bear is.
@@joecromarty6682 James Gunn said the universal translator works in context, so expanding on that Rocket knew what he meant. I think the "hamster" comment was what James Gunn answered that about, that Saul meant a similar animal even if hamsters don't exist on Xandar, in the first movie.
@@justinvance3177 I'd argue he didn't lose it with Thor. He gave Thor an inspiring pep talk. "You can do this. You can *do* this!"
"I dare you to find a more common, mundane name than Ronan" - this hurts a little. 😂😭
*pat pat*
There, there...
john
cheer up!your name is an antonym for put upon,warriors of a Japanese lord that was dispossessed &
his"Ronin"defied the emperor by seeking & attaining revenge,
payback for the disrespect of their master,for which all of them were executed,
except the lord's son,
spared by the emperor to save the bloodline
to serve Japan.
so,now you're better
(or should be...)
The part that broke me when I first watched this was that bittersweet scream kraglin gave at the realisation that yondu’s reputation had been restored and that last salute he does alongside his comrades in honour of his captain
Not just his captain. Kraglin viewed Yondu as a father figure too. That's why he hated Quill.
Same man, same. That sincere joy was what did it to me
Underrated performance in this movie for sure. I mean I think we all see it, but I've never heard anyone mention it.
@@andmicbro1 "They killed all my friends..." Yondu and Quill were really the only family he had left. Then the Ravagers showed up.
@@adamplentl5588 Yeah, almost like the two siblings and one is favored. He was jealous of how Yondu treated Peter, cause he was pretty sure if he did any of that stuff, Yondu wouldn't have forgiven him like he did Peter.
30:43 I think it's worth pointing out Rocket wasn't even insulted by the sovereign when he stole the batteries. He stated "did you see the way she talked down to us?" But she only insulted Peter. I think that's another moment showing Rocket cares more about Peter than he'd like to let on.
combine that with his appreciation of peters music
Mg only problem with that is he stole the batteries before they talked to The Sovereign. And clearly Peter was the one who set up the deal, because he had to warn the others how to behave around The Sovereign.
He stole the batteries and then tried to use the insult as an excuse.
Well, I feel like it's fair to say those parts are a combination of Rocket's self-sabotage agenda and his incredible sensitivity to condescension or othering.
He was already going to steal the batteries because it furthered his goal of fucking up personal connections with the added bonus of potential for pretty serious cash (which will be needed if he leaves!)
Then, after they fulfill their bounty and Ayesha is sitting on her shiny throne... Even when the Sovereign's reminders that, "FYI, you're totally inferior" were only addressed to Peter, Rocket still picks up on that and reacts... Well, the way he does. (Subtlety is not in his repertoire.) Speaking as someone with PTSD and strong psychological triggers who chose 'fight' from the Fight/Flight/Freeze portfolio, I get up in people's faces the same way Rocket does surprisingly quickly and for reasons that, in hindsight, seem pretty fucking stupid.
He stole batteries he didn't need, he says it himself at the end of the movie. It was again, one of the ways he has of avoiding to make new friends, because he doesn't want to let them into his life, either because he is afraid to disappoint them or that they will abandon him. He tries to disappoint everyone before they can abandon him or so he doesn't have to let people into his inner emotional circle. He stole the batteries because it has become part of his routine to betray every stranger he meets first,before they get the chance to, it's what he has done for a long time. But if you have a family of your own choosing as the Guardians have in each other, you will be loved, even if you try to chase them away and there will be someone who cares about you at your funeral, that is a heavy realization. Enough to bring tears to my eyes.
"is that what she been filling your head with boy... CINNAMON"
Actually you can't eat even a teaspoon of cinnamon.
That is hell ari us
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@@keithklassen5320 I was told that you can't eat a whole cinnamon stock. I took the challenge and shewed through that thing. It's not a teaspoon of powdered fire, but it was also difficult.
Then, Yandu slaps hell out of Peter, as if attempting to slap cinnamon out of a head filled with it. Oh, Yandu! You foolish, blue-hued, child abuser! If the cinnamon is IN his head, it is not gonna simply come out of his ears when you slap him! You have to lop the top of Peter's head off, turn him upside down and shake the cinnamon out.
The way you explain how someone who’s sick’s, last moments can shape how you remember them opened my eyes. And tears rushed out. My mother has been sick and deteriorating since I was 11. It’s so easy to forget who she was and focus solely on what the sickness has turned her into. Thank you for making me realize something so simple. This video made me subscribe.
How the fuck did I run into you way out in this part of youtube
Ok
My significant other lost both his parents when he was young and even now as a 36 year old, I still can tell how its effected him.
Hes getting better slowly, and it didnt help that many co workers he used to work with would accuse him of sexual assault, just because he isn't attractive. Hes finally getting his house finally cleaned and fixed up.
I'd had no awareness before this that Parkinsons of all things could affect your personality so much (at least, as much as, say, a brain tumor doing that would seem obvious to me). I mean, surely having pretty much any variety of significant chronic disease will inevitably have a mental and emotional affect on you, even if it's just frustration and feelings of powerlessness from the daily grind of dealing with the disease. But in the superficial way (& I totally get that) in which she's trying to describe her situation with her family, it sounds like she means it became almost like a Jack/Tyler Durden situation. Not any of the specific traits themselves, just how skewed that ratio would be of who you were/what you were like pre-disease against how you are now.
This video made me subscribe too, I love this movie way more than guardians one and I didn't really know why. But watching this it all makes sense. Realizing your parents aren't perfect, and maybe the parents you didn't actually like were better than you thought.
I can't help it; that "I'm Mary Poppin's, y'all!" makes me laugh. Every. Single. Time. And I do it with a really warm and fuzzy feeling.
It's such a corny joke, but Michael Rooker's delivery just sells it so perfectly.
My "cry button" is the Ravager funeral. The start is like "Yeah, this is good". Then when Kraglin sees it and can't believe his eyes, it's "Yeah, that's for your leader." But when Sean Gunn utters those broken "YEAH! YEAH!" and salutes proudly, is when my waterworks happen.
I honestly don't think Sean Gunn gets enough credit for the GotG movies. His performance as Kraglin may not be pivotal to the movies, but he's actually a pretty big reason why the movies feel as fleshed-out as they do.
There are very few moments that hit me as hard in any medium as Kraglin's reaction at the end. I don't get grabbed by stuff like "He may've been your father ...". I'm really introspective and like to think of myself as empathetic but to really have a deep reaction to anything I need that really obvious feeling played out by someone and (who I now know is Sean Gunn) did so amazingly
Same here. And same with Peter's "NO!!!" reaction when he realizes Yondu is going to die. Both scenes just kick me square in the nuts.
Kraglin's apology to Yandu for causing a mutiny gets me every time. They killed all his friends.
As someone from the south it feels like something an uncle would say
Guardians was funny at a time dark movies were cool
Guardians was dark at a time funny movies were cool
3 years a part
You just blew my mind
It will be cliche at a time doing new stuff is cool (not a bad thing per se cliches stop being cliches if everyone avoids them like the plague) and when everyone follows their leas and does cliches again they will be the first to do the new
Guardians pretty much exists to break the mould tbh
@@TroubleCauser22 And then Infinity War made it shit...
I think I finally understand where Guardians draws the line on immaturity. There is nothing wrong with loving pop culture artifacts and being true to your emotions. When Peter makes the giant PacMan during the climax of the film, that only shows that PacMan is something he has a strong emotional connection to, whereas Ego only loves himself, represented by him manifesting a giant version of himself. The problem arises when harmless enjoyment and affection turns into harmful expectations from others, I.e. believing he is to rewarded with the girl because of TV sitcoms. That changes from harmless appreciation to harmful expectation, and therein lies the issue.
I think part of Peter's sharp change in behavior is realizing that he is part god. Peter himself always saw himself as someone aspiring to be Han Solo or Indiana Jones but didn't have the maturity for it. Inside, he thinks he's a loser.
So when he suddenly realizes he's part god, it went straight to his head, and he thinks that Gamora is jealous of him because she still rejects him even though he's strong now. In reality, Gamora (mostly) liked him how he is (she stated as much in the forest). His vulnerability and immaturity helps Gamora break down the walls she's put up while at the same time frustrating her. The two are foils of each other, and in some ways two halves a person who need to "rub off" on each other to fix themselves.
4 years later in Infinity War they made a lot of progress, but Peter is still vulnerable to his emotions and Gamora and Nebula vulnerable to vengeance.
see now i wanna like this comment. but there are exactly 666 likes right now, and i am *not* going to upset *the beast* by making it 667.
Shanez1215 You took this idea from another video I think. I saw it just the other day
In a scene this video doesn't get to, we learn Peter told Gamora the David Hasselhoff story while he was drunk. She actually connected with and related to that story, dreaming of his imaginary badass father, but Peter himself is embarrassed by it and wishes he hadn't told her. He allowed himself to vulnerable and but is still too immature to view this as anything but weakness.
Then at the end of the film, his growth is partly shown by relating the David Hasselhoff story to everyone at Yondu's eulogy. He is (slowly) growing, something Gamora herself has been encouraging.
@@existenceisrelative right . . .incels are just a myth too I'm sure.
The part that always gets to me is when the others are taking off from Ego as the planet is dying and Peter and Yondu are being left behind. Gamora when she realizes that Peter isn't going to make it back to ship in time grabs a gun and is about to go back out. Then Rocket shoots her with a stun gun to knock her out to keep her on board saying something along the lines of "I can only afford to lose one friend today." Then Drax realizes that they are taking off starts screaming at Rocket "Where's Quill!" Rocket won't respond because if he says that Peter is still out there that Drax might force the pilot to keep the ship on the ground which would kill them all. Because if anyone of the group would do anything not to lose "family" again it would be the one that lost a wife and daughter. Even if it cost him his own life. That also plays into what Lindsay was saying about Rocket's character arc throughout the movie. Rocket the one that kept pushing people away, because he feared that they would ultimately leave him does what he can to keep the ones he has left from leaving/dying.
stonecoldku i'm not crying you're crying
Love your comment
*WHY DO I KEEP SCROLLING THROUGH COMMENTS??! WHY?!! I KNOW I’M ONLY GOING TO CAUSE MYSELF PAIN. WHY DO I KEEP DOING THIS??!!!*
@@ihopeicanchangethisnamelat7108 Well I appreciate you reading the comment anyway. Sorry.
@@stonecoldku4161 I’ve just realised it sounded like I was hating on the comment. I wasn’t. I was saying it was really sad and I should stop scrolling through comments that say things like this because they’re so sad
@@ihopeicanchangethisnamelat7108 It's okay. I know you weren't hating on the comment. Just sorry it made you sad or sadder. Thanks for reading though.
Ha, you were wrong Lindsay. The furture post-apocalyptic currency isn't Groot funko pop figurines, it's toilet paper.
*were
movie sucks
Baby yoda funko pops
And now it's dumbbells and kettle balls.
@@hexkobold9814 bells not balls... wtf
I lost my father on my 25th birthday, and now I am 65. Yes, it can take years to heal. But I believe that the time will come for you, as it did for me, eventually, when the memories of his decline will no longer predominate, and you will be free to remember the joys of being his daughter. Then you will be blessed with happy memories again. May this come as soon for you as may be.
Thanks for your excellent series of videos. I have enjoyed them and learned from them. Yours sincerely,
Tricia Hutchins
Concord, NH
Thank u constance
lost my grandfather 9 years ago. at first i only remembered him as the sick old man he was in the last year of his life, but now i almost have to force myself to remember that. funny how it goes right?
You are a kind individual. Thank you.
I lost my mom at 30 and I'm still in the thick of it at 38. I still feel 12 regardless.
Thank you for this, Tricia. Thanks, Lindsay.
Have a nice day old man ❤️
7:45 "... Rocket's inability to admit that he lashes out at his loved ones because he assumes the worst of everyone; sabotaging everything good in his life" Damn those heart-spears are accurate
The scene when Mantis feels all of Drax’s pain while he shows none of it really got to me. The idea that he feels that horror all the time even if people can’t see it just felt very real to me. The funeral scene was another part that made me cry. And even with all that it still had great humor. I love this movie.
Iris Carter-Schafer hell the fact that Drax is always cracking jokes and more or less acts as an emotional support ‘monolith’ that a lot of them share their problems with, he’s always wearing that grief under the coping mechanism that is his personality.
Golly, I absolutely agree. There's a lot going on in the film, and the scene with Drax and Mantis might have been really damn unsubtle, but it nailed my feels because he's carrying such a load and never puts it on others, instead hanging out in the Gimli seat and trying to help everybody else through. His quivering musculature hides the strength to deadlift grief without a perpetual pity party.
Its great. Funny and amazing
I remember reading a food critic years ago who said something along the lines of "Giving a negative review is easier and less risky than giving a positive one."
Superhero movies are VERY easy to criticize. They're almost always shallow and forgettable, and the studios that make them rarely do anything interesting or risky with them.
So seeing this positive review of a Guardians of the Galaxy movie... that actually feels justified in its arguments... is far more impressive than your (already impressive) critiques of Game of Thrones or The Hobbit
P.S. Subscribed.
did u just quote ratatouille
That quote is from Ratatouille
It's paraphrased from Anton Ego's piece on Gusteau's restaurant, where he talks about he simple work of the critic, the challenging work of the chef who puts his heart and soul into every dish, and the true meaning of the tagline "anyone can cook".
I think it's one of the most beautiful monologues in any animated movie, and it completely applies here.
@@mccookies3664 I've never watched ratatouille, so either the sentiment was copied from somewhere else or to somewhere else. I couldn't say which, though. It's been too long.
@@Falcrist meh, opinions aren't fingerprints; someone is bound to come to a similar thoughts/conclusions/thesis somewhere. Don't sweat it.👍
I think Kraglyn (Youdu's second in command) has the best line in the movie.
"I'm sorry I did a mutiny...they killed all my friends."
"I didn't mean to do a mutiny..."
Kraglin is fantastic in his small part in the film. He may be the only character who is always honest about his feelings, but that backfires when he underestimates how threatened Taserface's followers feel. I'm not sure why he wasn't with the team in Infinity War anymore - perhaps he rejoined the Ravagers led by Stakar?
@@davidbjacobs3598 You see endgame yet?
@David B Jacobs I honestly hope he becomes a main Guardian. It would also be a great way to keep Yondu's arrow in the fights.
"I was thinking like a pretty necklace, something to make other girls go: oooooh that's nice". Is actually the best line from the movie
When the flaming arrow flew across the screen at the end of the movie in front of the ravagers, I realized I could hear his whistle. Thinking I heard wrong, I rewind the moment and I cried when I heard his whistle loud and clear.
Side note, when Peter started up the Zune, the song that highlight was on was 'Father and Son' by Cat Steven. Meaning the very last song Yondu listen to on the Zune, was 'Father and Son'.
Thats song bit hit me hard. Think i'm going to go rewatch GotG and cry now
"What is a Zune ?"
@@topbadgun It was like Microsoft's version of the iPod
@@themax734 "Exactly!!!!" - Sheldon Cooper (when he need to choose between PS4 and XBox One)
@@topbadgun It's one word, you don't need to quote it.
This is a fantastic analysis. My mom had bipolar disorder that went untreated for years because the system failed her. My dad was emotionally distant. They were often neglectful. I am Rocket with Gamora's defense mechanism.
Also, only time in a movie I can remember where someone said, "He may have been your father, but he wasn't your daddy." I am a stepparent who never had a child of her "own." When my son came to live with us, I said, "You don't have to call me Mom. You can call me Diane if you want. But if you do decide to call me Mom, you can never take it back." Eventually, he made that choice. Then when he inevitably said, "You're not my real Mom," to me in an argument, I said, "Oh yes I am! I told you that if I was your Mom, you could never take it back, and I meant it, and that's as real as it gets!" There was hugging and crying (on both sides.) He never said it again.
Yeah, I cried during this movie too.
I really love your story! Especially how you gave your son a choice whether he will have you as his mom and how you didn't let him take it back. He will know he has a mother who will never stop being his mother no matter what and I think that's beautiful
Got teary eyed reading your story. That's good parenting. Good RESPECTFUL parenting
PLEASE tell me you and your stepson are in a good relationship.
You handled that beautifully. Kids will test you just to get your response/rise out of you. Being a parent/family is deeper than biology/genetics.
Man oh man, what I wouldn't give to hear Lindsay's take on the third movie...
I, personally, think that the way Drax talks to Mantis becomes less horrible when, after he calls her "horrifying to look at", he follows it up with:
"But that's a good thing. When you're ugly and someone loves you, you know they love you for who you are. Beautiful people never know who to trust."
To me it sounds like he's basically saying that physical beauty seems pretty meaningless to him and actually rather detrimental, so from his point of view he probably isn't insulting her but simply commenting on something that is not important. Of course most people would probably have phrased it differently, so I can totally see why this scene might rub people the wrong way.
Of course, that's also followed up by the later context that he actually was trying to break it off with Mantis and that he was trying to get rid of her but just couldn't stand being that mean....
I genuinely don't know if that makes it better or worse, but it does make it more interesting because it follows through with the subversion of characters getting together just because they're around eachother. Mantis and Drax don't become lovers, they don't even find eachother attractive, they just become platonic friends. And that's fine, contrasting Starlord where him getting with Gamora seems like much more of an inevitably in their future as their relationship just gets more and more personal over time.
Both are oddballs that seem drawn to each other.
I don't think the isdue is Drax, Mantis, or their interaction per se but that the narrative keeps not yaking Mantis as a character with her own trauma seriously, as if she's an addendum to the other characters and not one herself.
And if you liked comic Mantis this is particularly below the belt, on top of all the other choices for her. Even Infinity War and Endgame this still persists.
(Also, just wanted to add that Mantis identifying Thanos' emotion in IW and why it bothered me, i.e. her apparent sympathy of his feelings when she's trying to put him under, was made less inscrutable to me after watching this vid.)
its stupid
"he mae' hav been your father boy, but he what'ent your daddy"
easily one the the best lines ever
most of the best lines of this movie were from him.
@@lucasbiermann257 That and "I'm Mary Poppins, y'all!" (putting aside the fact that Yondu didn't know if Mary was a woman, but ok whatever).
....you know, every once in a while in the Reviewerverse, you see a review that makes you desperately want to rewatch a movie because it opened your eyes to just how good it is.
This is one of them. Well done Lindsay.
ikr, i watched that movie a few months ago and thought it was great, but apparently i missed 80% of the point of the movie.
that also happened to me with the bringing back what was stolen video series on Mad Max Fury Road.
and i'm realizing that i'm replying to a comment that i already replied to a year ago :D
What I would pay for a follow up to this video now that Vol. 3 is out. I hope you liked it as much as I did, Lindsay!
Same
10/10 I cried, first time, sober
Maybe she will on Nebula (streaming platform, not blue cyborg lady). One can dream.
Same.
Same
My father, who was horribly abusive to me yet tender and loving to my step-family died the day before you posted this.
I didn't talk to him for 10 years, we were making the first steps toward a possible tenuous reconciliation this year.
I....I wasn't ready for this video.
Robert Ruhland god bless ❤️
"... Rocket fears the people he loves most will abandon him... "
Oh god, this makes IW hurt even more :(
I can't wait to see how Rocket is handled in Avengers 4
Yup
@@ninjadarthjuju117 too much yelling and stealing.
*spoiler alert for IW/Gotg 1*
Ugh, the fact that we’ve seen Groot die twice is painful! It’s so personal in both, but the first time, it at least serves a purpose of saving the Guardians in a time when they’re going to die.
In IW, he just... dies, and not even intentionally on Thanos’ part. He just randomly gets selected by the finger snap.
Even if Groot doesn’t remember his first death, and probably won’t remember the second if he comes back, Rocket remembers both. And that’s why it’s so painful to watch him mourn for Groot twice!
@@withalittlehelpfrom3 Reason why I locked myself up in my room and cried all day
I actually think Ronan is a perfect villain for the first GOTG movie. The heroes are all clowns, so the bad guy has to be the guy who can't take a joke; that's the golden rule of comedy as enshrined by the Marx Brothers and it continues to be the only real way to go about this stuff. So, when your clowns are saving the day not just for themselves but for the entire galaxy, they need to be up against the biggest, most astonishingly tight-assed sourpus in the entire fucking universe.
Enter, Ronan "I will unfurl one thousand years of Kree justice upon Xandar" the Accuser. This guy is on such a super-serious mission that he wears a black hood and some black eye-shadow because he's super serious and you've got to take him seriously, you guys. As contrasted against the Guardians he's hilariously one-dimensional and devoid of personality, which I'm like 85% sure was intentional. He's not a threat, he's a foil, there to represent all those grimdark genre trappings the movie pushed so hard against, so they can be steamrolled over by a ragtag crew of wise-cracking assholes just like the Hollywood gods intended.
MagusMirificus that's always been my read of Ronan, but you could make the argument that serving his purpose as a foil doesn't *necessarily* excuse him just not being a very interesting guy. I think there's a way to make Ronan work as a serious, emotionally grounded, imposing foil to the clowns without needing him to be boring. The whole movie sets a particular tone for Ronan's scenes vs the Guardians' scenes until those tones collide at the very end and one wins out, and I do like that approach, but I think people would complain less if Ronan's half of the story was genuinely compelling the way the other half is, in spite of the lack of comedy.
Ronan was fine in the movie. My problem with him was more that they took one of the most complex heroes in Marvel Comics and turned him into Marvel's least complex villain.
@@Kekkersboy isn't he an occasional antihero ?
7 years late, but THANK YOU! Ronan might not be the most compelling villain when you put him in a vacuum, but given the context of the movie, he was written as a perfect foil to the main characters!
Another thing of note in baby groot’s dancing is that he shows how he takes after all of them as parents. His love of music (quill) his not wanting Drax to see him dance (Drax) his anger at the rat for “looking at him funny” (Rocket) and his fierceness in combat (Gamora)
Interesting.
I never really cared for Peter “getting the girl” because the way I see it he kind of did, but not in the classic way, but in the important way, especially after watching infinity war btw, he started to deal with his mom’s death, he didn’t get a sex buddy or a token girlfriend (as in other classic action movies) he got a person he loves, and who he wants to be with, he got rewarded not with the girl, but with a relationship he loves being in, and one he actually cares about it’s not main guy gets the girl, it’s main guy gets the chance to be complete in a place he wants to be
"My father would recount the story of impregnating my mother every winter solstice."
"That's disgusting."
"It was beautiful! You earthers have hang-ups."
Favorite line in the film. Bautista was so sincere with that line.
The way his voice choked was great! Like he was talking to somebody who thought sunsets were ugly or that music was annoying
I think that he has a good point if you analyse it too. No one could be here without doing "it". Whilst I'm here having to say "it" over what I actually mean so I don't get censored.
Bautista is so sincere with every damn line he says in the movie. I half get the feeling that his real dad used to recount the story of impregnating his mother every winter solstice.
mrtalos ..you mean “sex”?
From what I can tell the reason censorship happens is so something can be shown to a wider demographic of people, and hence, make more money. Generally stuff that doesn’t make any money doesn’t need to censor itself-like how fanfiction is chock full of sex and rape and what not, but nobody cares ‘cause it doesn’t make any money (and even when it _does_ it makes money because of the creepy bits)
Dave Bautista in general has been the unsung hero of these movies. He’s been delightful and perfect in the role, unpretentious, and generally a pleasant surprise. I’m more than a little sad that he may go back to wrestling because he’s actually a pretty damn good actor and could be so much more than just another meathead who dies from brain damage. (Blade Runner 204whatever sealed it, he was one of the best parts of the movie.)
The thing that always gets me in this movie is Yondu's one loyal Ravanger that still believes in him. That one guy's arc over the course of the movie just GETS me, especially when he's all "you care about Peter more than you care about us" and the whole ending funeral bit.
KingTwelveSixteen The line that got me was "I didn't mean to start a mutiny....they killed all my friends." That just shows how simplicity and honesty can be the most powerful way to convey something to an audience.
This film has a lot of layers to the topic of family. I mean, who didn't see his complaint about Peters special treatment as essentially a sibling complaint? "I'm right here, please see me, why do you treat us so differently!"
Excellent observation. His betrayal came from his own frustration at being betrayed, at being treated as less important despite being more loyal. His arc is very emotionally real, and his being made whole is one of the stronger threads in the movie, even if not equally prominent.
KingTwelveSixteen This shit right here is one of the many examples that makes this movie great despite what the haters say.
Risto Ravela And then Yondu brutally murders all of them in a musical number lol
And now I am crying. My father has Parkinsons. Today is the first day he didn't recognize me. This is so painful I don't even know. He was my hero. I love GotG, but never connected it to my beloved but now gone dad.
parkinson's causes memory issues similar to alzheimer's?
Can’t imagine how that must have felt, sorry you had to go through that.
im so sorry
I hope you're okay
Please don't think of him as "now gone". He's not dead.
I watched my grandpa rapidly decline, but it wasn't because of the Parkinson's he lived with -- it was the way people treated him as though he wasn't living anymore. Even when someone gets to the point where they are almost always out of it, there are a few moments where they come back. And in those moments, they need someone who knows, even if it's as simple as not talking about them in front of them (as if they're out of the room).
I'm not saying you do these things or will do them, but hopefully this makes sense.
I lost my dad about six months before I watched this movie. He fell off a ladder and lingered 10 days in the hospital without ever waking up from surgery.
I went into this movie totally blind. About halfway through, I paused it and went to look up Ego, because I didn't feel up to being blindsided by a betrayal. I went into the rest of the movie thinking I'd steeled myself.
So I mean, yeah. Wanna start an 'ugly-crying at Guardians 2' club? I'll bring the whiskey if you'll bring the whiskey.
I'm very sorry for your loss, Lindsay.
I actually liked the relationship between Mantis and Drax. It gave us one of the best lines of the movie and one of my personal favorites "When you're ugly and someone loves you then you know they love you for who you really are."
"In that case, I am very glad to be ugly!"
Yeah, I shipped them for a while, but then I realized that their friendship is more meaningful than a romantic relationship would ever be. (She looks younger than him anyway)
DragonRyd3r And I don’t think Drax really wants any sort of romance nowadays. He wouldn’t want to forget the wife that he lost by taking another.
and *”innocent”*
@Black Ninja That's the joke
Yeah. The jokes are that Drax is just silly as fuck.
"I thought yondu was your father"
He's blue!!!
"You both look totally alike"
Hi Lindsay,
My dad passed this week due to covid and I miss him so much. I wanted to say thank you for making this video as it reminds me that I am not alone in going through this.
Anyone who reads this, tell your parents you love them (if you do) because you don't know when it's going to be the last time.
So Sorry for your Loss!!!!! :( D:
See, the reason I enjoyed the second Guardians movie so much is because doesn't shy away from the flaws of the characters. It embraces them and brings them up. They aren't ignored and we see the characters deal with them in their own way. They're allowed to be emotional and it's refreshing.
Peter and Gamora not being together was an actual widespread genuine complaint?! If so, then all those people missed the thematic heart of guardians 2.
Honestly, I think most people don't really care. Peter and Gamora work as friends just as well if not better than as love interests for each other.
It's like in cheers!
I never saw this complaint, anywhere if I'm being honest
well this is going to be interesting after IW
It fucked me up when Mantis touchs Drax and she feels all the sadness hidden under his stoicism and starts crying.
Also Drax is a nice deconstruction of the "MY! DEAD! FAMILY!" trope. He starts out as Kratos in the first movie. But other than Kratos he learns that seeking nothing but revenge will eventually get him and his allies killed. So he moves on from anger to acceptance. His family is gone. He still grieves. But he has learned how to deal with those powerful emotions. And Mantis is then flooded by powerful and complex emotions she probably has never experienced.
"Rocket engages in some serious self sabotage because he expects to be abandoned" hooookay that was a little too close Linds dawg, gonna go have a cry now bye bye
Yup. I felt that in the film. This whole movie had me looking like a chick who just watched The Notebook for the first time.
Also regarding Peter's immaturity being a bit unevenly handled might boil down to the fact that there are levels of immaturity that are acceptable and levels that aren't.
Spending money on Lego sets can be an acceptable level of immaturity if you get the money for the kit by holding down a steady job and by saving some of your disposable income so you can allow yourself the occasional indulgence, but if you're jobless and wasting all your unemployment benefit on the same Lego set then it's an unacceptable level.
Peter doesn't need to completely grow up because if he did he'd lose a big portion of his charm, but he does need to learn what is an acceptable level of immaturity and what isn't.
You're just defending your own obsession with Lego sets, aren't you?
Ashish Randive ,😂😂😆
Ashish Randive Lego obsessions require no defending.
PassiveSmoking Got the Lego Milano yet?
That's kinda what Marvel's been doing with Tony Stark, too. Tony's becoming progressively better and better at sidelining his immaturity when it's a liability, still able to fast-talk when he wants but not letting the fast-talk overwhelm his good sense.
My dad and I don't have a particularly great relationship, this movie had me crying stone cold sober.
I never sat and thought about why this movie affected me so much but I think it's because my father never fully accepted me after I came out to him.. and my greatest fear is he dies before him and I have made amends.
Sangie Nativus im sorry to hear that man. My dad and I also don't have a great relationship, although we are not estranged. I feel my dad always wanted a straight masculine son he could play ball with, he dreamed about it and well... let just say that is not what he got with me. I truly hope you can one day make reconcile with your dad. I mean it.
The Bible Reloaded I'm guessing this is Hugo, not Jake. I remember you saying you were a fan of Lindsay's, but it's always weird seeing one channel I regularly watch comment on another one.
+The Bible Reloaded
The "Bible Reloaded" visiting channels connected to that guy with the glasses other than that of Brad Jones confirmed. I will now keep my eyes open on all of such channels that I visit.
whatsthejokersname Especially when said channel is occasionally a bit sexist. Though less so than other big RUclipsr Atheist channels. So yeah, bit of a shocker for me too.
As a guy in his late 20s, Peter and Gamoras relationship was really refreshing. As a nerd, I grew up with geek stories telling me that as long as I was a "good enough guy", I deserved a woman. Well, as many fellow geeks can attest, that rarely turns out well.
Now as an adult, I know that maturity, stability, and trust are far more important than just being good enough. Saving the world doesn't mean you're entitled to someone else. Thinking that way sure doesn't make you heroic.
i wish youtube had emote likes because id love this post - what i love about this series is that it doesn't relegate women to prizes or currency, i grew up gaming myself, nearly 4 decades worth, i was never much interested in saving the princess or being told i was the princess. gotg goes so much further than anything in its genre to expressing that ALL people are flawed and deserving and are just navigating the human experience rather than filling the needs of others based on tropes
SuperRay64 or to offer another perspective: you just learned that different kinds of relationships have different requirements for reavhing the 'good enough' state.
To bring this discussion back to the movie series Lindsey talks about in the video: even with all his flaws Peter could have had any number of one night stands and/or short flings were he inclined to. But since what he wanted is romance, partnership and companionship, he's still yet to become 'good enough'.
Edit: I just realized I put an unrelated commented here. Please disregard. I don't know how to RUclips properly, apparently >_
+Adrijana Radosevic The main problem with your argument is that pretty much every woman I know has multiple and different requirements for the men they want. There is no singular criterion you can fulfill to be attractive to "women" and no man is attractive to all women. Even if we only consider looks one of my female friends and I rarely agree upon celebrities we find physically attractive. People (including female people) have different tastes and different needs at different stages in life.
PS from my own biased sampling of educated women, most actually married men of roughly equal career/job standing as themselves.
Shouts out for starting great RUclips discussions
Isn't her ugly played for emotion? He calls her ugly, but her ugly filters out false companions for real ones. He says "it's okay to be ugly, cause when someone loves you, you know they love you for you".
Also Drax is ugly, look at his skin, he's huge, and only had one love. When he tells her that she was ugly, it seemed as if he was speaking from an ugly perspective, which is himself. I thought it was a powerful scene. Though not as powerful as the part where Mantis feels Drax's feelings.
I totally agree, and I love how the writers paired Drax up w Mantis at all. 2 seemingly opposite characters, both physically and emotionally, realizing they’re the same.
He also later tells her she's pretty "on the inside"
A little of Column A, a bit of Column B.
He might be ugly to you, but he only thinks she's ugly because they are literally different species and have different concepts of what attractive means. Besides, whatever motivation the character might have, doesn't change how the movie frames it or the fact that the writers gave the character that motivation in the first place
I rewatched this movie about a week ago, and it was way better than I remembered it being when I saw it in theaters. It felt way more like a genuine movie that was one person's singular vision, and not just another cog in the massive Marvel movie machine. (Patent pending) This film, even moreso than the first one, had characters I genuinely cared about, a villain with an interesting history and motivation, and the sense not to get caught up in mindless spectacle. I think it's one of the best films the MCU has to offer (maybe my second favorite after Winter Soldier), and it managed to be a standout in a year where every other superhero movie (Logan, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man Homecoming) was also a standout.
Schaffrillas Productions I feel I need to rewatch this film to let it wash over me again as the humor that didn't work and the musical queues seemed to outshine the well written dialouge and well acted character moments. And yeeeah! Winter Soldier is my fave stand alone MCU film.
I have to say I was influenced by reviews telling that this move was fine, but not nearly as good as the first one ... and at my first viewing I left the cinema and though "yeah, it was fine" ... but I kept thinking about it and came to see it 2 more times. Now it definitly is my favourite Marvel movie. I like it better than the first one simply because it focusses more on the characters than any other MCU movie ... exept Winter Soldier and Civil War (parts of it). Characters is what make a good movie or even a TV show. Thats why you come back and rewatch movies so often ... thats why you you watch a show even in its 10th season.
Yeah, in contrast to anyone else, I consider this one equal to the first one. The first one does what it does better but this one is more flawed (the pacing is way off and is it a little bit overstuffed) but thematically more satisfying. And this last scene...
The movies are a little bit like their respective soundtracks. The first one has a lot of songs which makes you want to dance, but don't have much of a meaning. The second one is full of songs which aren't quite as dance-friendly but have way more meaning, giving the movie an additional layer.
My favourite MCU movie is still The Winter Soldier, though.
I haven't watched movie, but Wonder Woman and Spider-man Homecoming both frustrated me. They were good movies, but not as emotionally satisfying as they could have been, and I feel that they could have been better with just a few tweaks. GotG Vol 2 has some flaws, too, but I honestly have a hard time to come up with a way to make it better (aside from shortening some of the jokes).
'Winter Soldier' fell SO flat for me (the first half is fantastic, the second half is painfully disappointing), but 'Guardians of the Galaxy vol 2' and 'Civil War' hit me in every single feel. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE CHARACTERS AND THEMES, YA'LL.
Feel the same way. GOG2 and WS (especially the climax, always gives me chills) are my favourite ones, and I actually didn't much like the first at all.
32:43 "Rocket's entire world view is built on the expectation that the people he loves will abandon him..."
*watches Infinity War*
Me: "Oh...my...God!" 😭 😭 😭
😢
Don't forget, Gunn confirmed that Groot's last words were a confused "...D-daddy?" as he faded away in front of Rocket.
@@Luinta *sobbing like in the video*
@Lilith Henry. I really didn't need to hear that.
To me, the greatest proof of Gamorah's love for Peter is how she loved his David Hasselhof story. I mean Zardu Hasselfrau.
that part was so cute hahaha. Poor peter tho, that's just the saddest thing I've ever heard. Gamorah was kind of a Jerk to him after that, like, the dude is just catching up with his father, give him a break and do not break that so hard maybe?
To be fair, Gamora's parent is Thanos. She didn't have a good impression on dads in particular.
well, she was kinda scared for him after hanging around Mantis who was giving off some weird vibes. Like yes she could have handled the argument better as Peter was getting gas lighted by his douchebag father their entire time on Ego but behind the yelling she really did care about Peter and wanted to help, its just that she was a bit too "rough" in how she went into it.
"He may be your father, but he ain't your daddy."
*Me, ugly sobbing the whole scene.*
Sees the fireworks at the end of the movie.
*Still sobbing*
allow me to be the 100th person to like this one. *hits dat thumbs up*
200th. I relate, I was also sobbing through basically the entire end of the movie.
I pretty often said of my father "If he could feel even a fraction of the pain he's put me through" as a teenager, so Nebula's very similar line is always a punch in the gut. My father might not have been a monster who ripped me apart, but God, I never knew if I wanted him to be dead more or me.
Same to the T tbh. *sigh*
Same to the T tbh. *sigh*
It sounds like making this took a lot outta you. Literally. Like, you're voice was shaking harder than Shakira's hips during the eulogy section. You one tough hombre lady. I lost a parent a long time ago and it took damn near a decade before I came anywhere close to being able to come to terms with it enough to speak about it.
Wonderful video, Lindsay!
HI SAGE
*faints*
I second that
Sage ma'boy how's it going?
Hey, man. I'm a big fan of your videos too.
I know Quill's arc is what most people remember from this sequel but I'm happy to see a review actually give focus on Rocket's arc
Its rare for me to see archetypes like Rocket, who are often kept static to preserve their status as the series edgy mascot, having their abrasive and psychotic behaviour get called out and deconstructed
This was nice to come back to. Because Rocket’s trauma and gradual acceptance over that fear of rejection feels deeply layered throughout all three movies. Of him ultimately becoming a better person. From him losing his one best friend in Groot 1 in the first movie, whose act of selflessness and love seems to have really stuck with Rocket. Or Yondu’s Ravager buddies ultimately forgiving him for an act of selfishness and emotional vulnerability, in Yondu’s adoption of Peter.
You feel those walls of insecurity and fear break down, and in 3, you see behind those walls.
I feel like time will be very kind to these movies for just how much they've got going on under the hood, particularly their themes about broken homes, relationships, and non-traditional families in mainstream cinema.
I feel like this movie is really underrated in the MCU as a whole. I'm so happy Gunn will get the opportunity to tie up his trilogy.
I don't think it's underrated, at least not that much. People I know that aren't big into the MCU usually call this one the favourite of them all.
You ever see a movie analysis so good it makes you want to call your dad?
I watched my mother die when I was six years old. It gets a little tiring that every hero in every franchise seems to have had a similar back story, yet it's something the authors clearly know nothing about. They see "dead mom" as the perfect torment, yet they never actually contend with what it's like.
So Sorry for your Loss!!!!! :( D:
Are you saying that others haven't lost parents? Because a bloody lot of people have. In fact, a dead parental figure is so popular in writing because it's something a lot of writers can relate to as they write it.
Just because it doesn't tickle your pickle, doesn't mean it's not relevant or relatable to someone else.
@@drd444pretty sure the main point of the comment isn’t that not many people have lost their moms, it’s that people write in a way that suggests that they don’t understand the pain of losing their mom, even if they have actually. They want more quality in the writing of this popular trope. I’m not sure why you were so triggered by that..
My father kicked me out of home. It has been nearly a year. The things that he has said and done to me makes me hate him with every ounce of my being.
And it HURTS. It hurts because he has once been my hero. It hurts because he was the one who always told me how family is the most precious thing we have, and then abandon me over some stupid prejudice. The characters in this movie have resonated so much with me, specially Rocket. I could not stop crying at the Yondu and Rocket scene, I am crying right now just by remembering it.
This movie really hit home for me. Also, excellent video. I didn't know this channel before, but I think I'll be sticking around.
Enthios I came out.
The stupid thing I did was to trust him.
I am sorry for that. I happen to be straight, but I know and even have family that went through the same thing. Two of my cousins were kicked out. One of them was accepted back when the family was broken and he offered tô save them. The other one was accepted back when her father went to the hospital and she was his only child to go take care of him -.-
Anyway. I hope you all the best. None of these is your fault and you deserve more.
Are you taking about the scene when Yondu and Rocket arrive at Ego but Yondu finally calls out Rocket for him putting on "tough skin" even though he's probably the most scared of all just like Yondu? Yeah, I teared up too.
I can't imagine what you're going through... only that I hope your pops comes around. Either way, I also hope you one day find it in you to forgive him... life's too short to spend hating.
It's like taking poison and expecting the other person to die ^^
The incomplete evolution of Starlord and Gamora's relationship turns pretty tragic given the events of Infinity War/Endgame
And now Peter is stuck in love with a woman who barely even knows him. I'm guessing GoG3 will be in part about him learning to move on.
@@Darth_Insidious Nah, if he can make it with her once, he can do it again, right?
@@jakespacepiratee3740 Issue is he probably will have expectations which may sabotage that.
To put it in perspective imagine your significant other was in an accident. They recover eventually but they have amnesia going back to a year or two before they met you. They have no idea, or close enough, of who you are and your attempt at affection are likely to come off as weird at best to unwelcomed and obsessive at worse. They are likely to be confused and unwilling to trust you completely because of how unfamiliar things seem. It's not a perfect parallel of course but there are some significant similarities.
@@Darth_Insidious A normal movie would have Peter woo Gamora until she regained the level of relationship with him she had in the past. Marvel isn't as much into breaking expectations as other producers, but it is difficult to tell which way they want to go with it.
@@josephperez2004 Maybe (and this is wishful thinking) having to deal with this loss in the face of the even bigger loss he could have to have dealt with if Gamora was completely lost to him will make him mature.......? Fingers crossed!
God, as an child abuse survivor this move genuinely hits hard. The scene where Ego sings "Brandy" gives me genuine chills due to how accurate to an abuser about to snap it is
Well Gunn certainly has an experience with abuse. He got that performance out of Kurt because it was something he experienced himself
*hug* I'm so glad that you ARE a survivor. You deserve better than what was done to you, and I hope that you're getting it now.
Say it louder for people in the back
"Men like flowers!" 11:22
*-IM-* *-UGLY-* *-AND-* *-IM-* *-PRROUUD-*
*MEN* *LIKE* *FLOWERS*
I'm particularly partial to echinacea and monarda
I like dusty-pink roses. And ballet.
I love hydrangeas and petunias. Source: I am a dude.
To further your point on Nebula and Gamora. I found Infinity War to be so rewarding for their character arc, something a lot of people actually overlook. Gamora actually stopped Thanos from torturing Nebula, which was presumably the first time she'd ever done so, therefore solidifying their growth and development as characters. It was a well needed step forward in solidifying how Gamora understands that she let her sister down, even if she was young at the time, and now that she's older she's willing to do anything to protect her from anymore of Thanos' harm.
The abusive parent theme was ever-present in Infinity War with Thanos. I'd love to hear your take on how they handled his "love" for Gamora. Personally, I can't understand how people are able to sympathise with Thanos just because he shed a tear after throwing his daughter off a cliff. Do you think it was intentional to want people to sympathise with Thanos during that scene? I just don't think I'll ever be able to.
Me too! I don't think I've ever had a moment in the theater where I've been so hurt. It ripped me apart! I'd love to see that too - so she can give him one last piece of her mind.
I think Thanos' position is only understandable when you look at what truly drives him. He is, above all else, a paragon- he cannot avoid doing something he feels is right.
The reason he is a villain is that what he feels is incontrovertibly right is essentially genocide. But he honestly, truly believes this is the only way to save the galaxy, the only way to avoid a greater number of deaths.
What makes Thanos... understandable (I don't sympathise personally) is that with nearly any other set of beliefs, he would be a true hero, a force for good. Instead, he is a paragon of utilitarianism, where he is willing to sacrifice the desires of any individual, including himself, to achieve what he believes is the greater good.
That is both compelling, and terrifying, because it subverts what we commonly understand about paragons and those who stand up for doing the "right" thing.
Vormir scenes were the best in Infinity War solely for how trippy they look. I want the entire cosmic side of MCU to look like that in the future
Way back when I watched it I couldn't help but feel that Thanos walked straight into the same trap that the Soul stone's guardian mentioned: He thought he knew the price, but failed. He got the Stone...but didn't pay the right price, and it'll come back and bite him in the end. In the comics, Thanos often failed in his schemes due to his own inability to admit his own flaws or mistakes.
See, the price was what Thanos loved the most. Thanos took that to mean Gamora, because he thinks he loves her. But he doesn't. He loves the *idea* of being the wise father, but he's an abusive monster. His idea of showing "love" was to give a child a murder weapon while he was killing her parents. No, the thing Thanos loves most is his mad scheme to kill half the universe. And he didn't give that up. He paid the *easy* price, the one he pretends to love because he can't fathom that he's the bad guy. It's as if D-Fens in "Falling Down" had continued his rampage at the end when faced with the reality of his actions due to not admitting he was wrong.
@@SirGrimLockSmithVIII care to explain? i thought despite nebula's amount of screen time, i thought they really didn't do much with her (or at least, the other version of her.) i kinda wasn't satisfied with what they did with her.
Nothing will ever be as funny to me as "I DON'T KNOW WHAT CHEERS IS!"
Kai Bishop,
No, it has been topped by A:IW...
DRAX: I'll do •you• one better; WHY is Gamorra?!
Dementia is the only thing that can strip Cheers from my memory.
😅😅
Really well done. My wife and I had many of the same feelings. She lost her father to suicide in 2015 (while I lost my mother in 2003). It was very emotional for us. We were crying throughout (and laughing). Definitely could see the abuse thread more clearly in this film. The themes of abuse, of family, of loss, of mental health, and of moral support are so crucial in this movie. Ironically, a movie about a talking raccoon, a walking baby tree, a living planet person, and a guy named Tazerface has been the most "real" superhero movie, at least emotionally, in my lifetime. Thank you, Lindsay.
This is the only MCU movie to make me shed a tear, which is why it's my favorite, and arguably in my opinion the best movie in the MCU.
As the child of a verbally abusive mother, here is my take on Yondu's redemption arc. While what he did over the course his adoptive son's life wasn't right, I am able to forgive him the same way Peter does because he actually acknowledges that what he did was wrong and he shows genuine love and compassion by putting his adoptive son's life before his own. For me, there is nothing more painful than living through abuse and not even hearing someone admit that what they did was wrong. Additionally, admitting and apologizing for their mistakes or putting their child before themselves is something that other abusive fathers like Ego and Thanos would never do and, for me, that's what makes them cross the line into irredeemably bad.
Adrijana Radosevic thanks, that’s a really interesting perspective I’ve never heard before. Definitely something to think about
Agreed. For me, it was also really understanding the environment my mother grew up in - surviving a totalitarian regime, starvation, having her family be ostracized because her father was deemed an enemy of the people, and then immigrating to a foreign country because she wouldn’t be stifled any more than she already had been.
My mom has always been motivated by the right thing even if she chose hurtful and destructive ways to parent. She never took any sort of joy in being this way and the way she would repeat “it was for your own good/it was to protect you” became a mantra less to convince me and more to convince herself, the same way Yondu was with Peter.
Even then, she has deep regrets about not having more patience to deal with 2 kids. We were living hand to mouth and she’s only human. Getting Yondu’s backstory was very much like really internalizing what my mom’s life was like - there were some very rough circumstances in which they were trying to nurture children. Eventually, those children grow up into adults and if you’re truly a good person and did your job right as a parent, they eventually see you as fallible and can forgive you.
that was beautiful
This. Thank you.
America is also arguably on the cusp of a crisis about masculinity and it's changing definitions, where the old and the new sides of it have not yet been harmoniously integrated or honoured. So it sets some people off to feel that one side is being possibly denigrated.
Can I just say Lindsay is one of the best reviewers / analysers of media who delivers top notch content? I love that her videos always look at things at a different pov and notices a depth in things that I watch or like that I didnt notice. I liked Guardians 2 but for the life of me (aside from character development) wasnt sure why I really liked it. Props for Lindsay being overall awesome 👍🏼
It's just so nice to watch a media analysis that's actually based in literary theory rather than "WHY _____ ACTUALLY SUUUCKS".
As a point of clarity to counteract what might be read into another set of comments, I totally agree.
No. Keep your opinions to yourself, dweeb-noodle: this is the internet. The rest of us are trying to relax here until the next Transformers movie.
No you may not say that. I have spoken. :P
Linsday went to film school so we don't have to.
What you said about the present his mom gave him is reflected in this movie. when peter yells "you shouldn't have killed my mom and squished my Walkman. the thing that got squished was the last piece of his mother he had." he can be seen listening too it earlier when he's first going to ego's planet and is nervous about the whole prospect.
and the symbolism of the last thing yandu gives too him also being a music player cements him as the father figure that the movie is trying to paint him as.
The discussion of Peter in this vid is reminding me why Infinity War and Endgame’s treatment of Peter and Gamora bugged me. We essentially only see them at the end of their story. As this assumption that they will get together, despite Peter being depicted more like his GotG 1 immature self.
Which is why GotG 3’s conclusion is pretty interesting. That they’ve both found places where they’re more complete people, but haven’t had to find that in each other.
I would like to say that I really appreciate how in your videos (not just this one) you slow down for a minute when using triggery terms like "toxic masculinity" to explain how it is being used. A lot of people use these terms and seem to assume we all know exactly what they mean. more often than not though many of us only know the surface value of the term (raises hand) and I personally find that using these terms tend to put me on the defensive (and ultimately turns me against the speaker) even when I would otherwise completely support whatever viewpoint was being expressed. thank you for taking the time to make sure dummies like me understand how you are using these terms.
What an excellent comment. I feel exactly the same way. Easy to feel like your back's up against the wall due to a fundamental misunderstanding or misuse of terminology.
@@Spearced and the big thing is people do it all the time! How many enemies could people turn into allies if they just took the time to make sure the audience understands their choice of words? :)
Nobody's a dummy, bro
@@balaenopteramusculus fair enough :) doesn't mean I can't feel like one from time to time though ;)
I agree, but I also do think it's partially the job of a person engaging in a conversation on the Internet (where Google is literally right there), to figure out what it actually does mean.
Came for the interesting insight into the marvel MCU, stayed and subbed for the sobbing cries
Same!
Alan Pho You and me both, buddy. This even happens to be literally the 1st video from this channel that I saw.
My father was a monster and although the Yondu stuff broke me (weeping in the theater) due to my relationship with my grandfather who passed away from cancer, the Gamora/Nebula stuff struck me even harder. I was Nebula, holding unfair resentment and anger against my sister for something that she didn't even have control over. It took me a long time to accept some of that stuff. The "You will always be my sister" line broke me.
The guys who resonate with Peter and think he deserves the girl because he’s a hero are basically just Hal from Megamind
damn no need to call us out like that man 0_0
@@jxomxo the shinji pfp 😭😭
thanks for making me cry about this movie again
I'm glad I'm not the only one who cried watching this video
Well, you're not alone, mate.
James Paynton I didn't even finish this movie and I'm crying too
And......
I have a pretty cool dad too
This video was phenomenal, Lindsay. Without a doubt one of the best I've seen in months. Your insight is articulate and well-explained, your knowledge of storytelling is informative, and you really manage to maintain the heart of the matter while still being funny and keeping the proper amount of entertainment and levity. Terrific stuff.
The only thing I disagree with in this video is your complaint that Peter Quill is mischaracterized/mixed-up in Vol 2 - that the movie is confused between his immaturity being a good thing and a bad thing. Personally, I think the most interesting characters in film/stories are ones that live in a tension between a positive and negative manifestation of the same trait. Peter's immaturity is neither good nor bad - it's, as he might say, "a bit of both." One one end of the spectrum, it means he's a kid at heart and a guy with a strong sense of fun and joy. He's also more creative and out-of-the-box than some heroes would be. On the other, as you noted, it means he's sometimes not able to take responsibility for his actions and lets ego get in the way of his family. But instead of saying that this means the character is "confused" or "mischaracterized" - I'd prefer to say that he lives in a tension between the two sides. His immaturity is a character trait that makes him - well, HIM - but when taken too far, it can have negative effects on other people.
I hope I'm making sense. Again, I adored the video. Perfect example of what I love about video essays and new perspectives on YT. Can't wait to see what's next!
HoustonProductions1 +
HoustonProductions1 please colaborate 😍😍😍 or get married and have critical cinema babies. I follow both you guys and you are both are a great source of knowlege regarding film.
I think when it comes to Peter's immaturatiy and love of pop culture and media that shaped him it's all about finding that balance. It was positive in that in the first film it's what saved the day against Ronan and brought the Guardians of the Galaxy together. in the second film it results in arrogance and getting his friends and loved ones in harms way. Do I agree it can be bad? To a point yeah but too much of anything is harmful. You can love pop culture and you can be your immature self to a point, but his arc I think is learning how to balance that out and know when it's okay to be immature and when to buck up.
Also like, it would mean Peter in his growth would have to get when pop culture shouldn't be taken too far. As Lindsay points out in his thought process in his relationship with Gamora. He's confused and annoyed that she doesn't want to be with him officially and compares it to media he's seen and how these things usually play out. Granted he's not REALLY bad like lots of guys and men out there but he has a similar view point of "I don't get it, why isn't this girl with me when that's how it always goes?". For that, the structure of media he likes doesn't apply. Because it's life.. Life isn't the shows and media you like at the end of the day.
I think I rambled a bit in my response to you. Sorry I just really like these movies and Peter and Gamora's interactions really stood out to me, especially with how different it wants to be and is compared to most other movies.
this reads like an English teacher's notes at the end of one of his pupil's essays
Peter's immaturity is also why the Snappening happened.
Jus' sayin'.
I was abused as a child by my parents, as were siblings. The theme of abuse wasn't lost on me. The film doesn't have it perfectly, but it opens a dialog about complex relationships.
The bit with Gamora and Nebula resonated big time.
Great vid, as always. Worth the delay. 😀
very touching video, I love how you made the message more clearer!
Lol is that a grammar joke about something or are you being serious with me rn
@@carmengogeidnas9670 be nice or leave
@@carmengogeidnas9670 you know that non native speakers exist, right?
@@ASanReig cheeky 😷
guardians 2 is better than 95% of superhero films..cause its about flawed people coming together embracing their flaws celebrating them and accepting them at its core.......its beautiful as a concept...crazy how no hero film used that as its basis really prior to that....its the biggest surprise film for me ever..i heard it was really bad..its shockingly good....its just subtle and unique...if you are a well off perfect person with no personal issues then this film will not touch you..as a weirdo at heart this film made me feel over and over....its meant for us flawed outcasts..its not mainstream...kids probably did not even get the themes thus it will not be their fave as they grow up and list these films...i suggest it over 1...its way more interesting concept wise...1 is pure entertainment and good for 1 viewing every 7 years and leaves you will a better first impression...2 sits with you longer and overtakes it once you actually think about them...kinda like how you watch mission impossible 2 and matrix reloaded and at first you enjoy them over the first films but the more you think about them they are less interesting and just entertained you more as a burst of stuff happening that kept your interest but barley stimulated your brain or feels..yeah for me i like guardians 1 but 2 is way more rewatchable
*Me 34 minutes ago:* Oh look a GOTG video essay! This should be fun!
*Me now:* WHAAAAAHAAHA 😩😩😭😭
Hi! I had to cut poverty in the school gymnasium same
Same here! I was expecting some feels, but I wasn't expecting to literally cry. This truly is a beautiful video, that highlights the strengths of these movies and how they can register on so many levels.
You both (and everyone else, all of you) knew what was coming, it's in the title! Sometimes it feels good to cry though, even if it's at a cheesy mary poppin's joke; the foreshadowing was so strong we knew he wasn't long for these galaxies 😭.
One could use this with the movies themselves.
“Ooh! New Marvel movie! And the trailers looked great. This is gonna be fun!”
*a la SpongeBob* Five minutes later...
*sobbing*
😔😥😢😭
*Before video:*
"Oh boy, I love the funny Raccoon movies!"
*After video:*
Realizes Rocket suffers from the same mental crap I inflict onto myself.
"Oh..."
honestly, I feel like more like star lord in an emotional sense ( no my father never threatened to eat me or made me do crime, though he was an asshole like a lot cause he has his own issues)
Me at that scene where jandu shouts at rocket: sobs
Mr. Bump 2.0 your profile pic looks like Eddie from Silent Hill 2 on acid.
Chowder, you’re an idiot.
Jk I just wanted to say that I love your picture
I'm not saying that the scene with Drax and Mantis on the steps is necessarily *good* , but it gets better when you keep in mind that, A, Drax does feel endearment towards Mantis, B, Mantis knows that, and, C, Drax knows Mantis is an empath
It's interesting how you mention that it really is personal what struck you about the movie. I cried during GOTG2 over Yondu as well, but GOTG1 struck me more personally. As a white, American male with a mother who's suffered from cancer twice now and whose name happens to be shared with the main character, the entire sub-plot about Quill's mother *killed* me. At the end, when the camera shows his mother's letter and it's addressed "To Peter", I couldn't help the tears.
EDIT: Now I'm crying about Rocket not feeling he deserves to be loved and creating scenarios for his friends to reject him, but them choosing to forgive him anyway. A great video about a great movie.
Guardians 2 was way more emotional than I expected. HUGE improvement over the first in character development.
With the whole Drax and Mantis thing I really want you to see my perspective on why I think it still plays a role in going through early abuse.
As someone who deals with a lot of self worth problems, it wasn't until I was able to make jokes of my appearance that I started feeling better about myself. Years of being told I was ugly, annoying, fat, gay, etc. really messed me up and left me not valuing myself or even going the route of Rocket and expecting the people closet to me to abandon me. Being able to joke around about it, especially with someone I care about, and speak to someone who is honest with me is so damm refreshing. It's not until you love yourself, even the stuff you perceive to be bad, that you learn what it means to have meaning in yourself. We're not perfect, and that's okay. You learn to love your "flaws" and work to improve yourself for you and those closest to you.
I love Drax and Mantis relationship throughout the movie because although Drax can be crude, he's honest. Ego seems to be a giant liar through the movie and as someone who grew up on lies and secrets, to have someone be honest with you to the point of recognizing AND EVEN POINTING OUT your flaws or insecurities yet still caring about you is almost magical. It helps you realize that it's not about appearances or perceived flaws, but how we move past it and love ourselves regardless.
And I mean come on, you can't tell me those scenes of Mantis and Drax laughing together aren't adorable. It's like seeing that couple who openly mocks each other but laughs at every single comeback.
+1 for the name
..bit racist though
Well Drax does explicitly state that he's picking on Mantis as a way of "subtly" letting her know he's not interested. (He picks a pretty terrible time to state this too.) Which feels a bit like an elementary school / Helga Pataki way of saying he might totally be interested?
I agree that I love their relationship, especially the scene where Mantis "empathizes" with Drax and begins to cry. It's a beautiful scene, which I think solidifies that neither character is reducible to the mere comic relief most people seem to think they are.
Curious to see how they're treated in Vol 3, since we didn't really get any developments on their friendship/possibly more in Infinity War beyond them often being shown together. (In the "Invisible Drax" scene, Mantis enters and only says hi to Drax, kinda ignoring Peter and Gamora - of course it's more convenient for the joke that way, but also makes sense if she's still much closer to Drax than the rest. In Endgame (not a spoiler), Rocket also calls her "the chick with the antennas," further suggesting that only Drax is still particularly close with Mantis.)
beanie man Yes, you are completely right!! DISCRIMINATION AGAINST BUG-ALIEN LADIES MUST STOP, AND IT MUST STOP NOW!!!
Truly one of the greatest societal issues of our times.
James Gunn literally commented. I love this video in every sense of anything ever
wait, really? nice!
"His lovable immaturity is both framed as relatable, but also as a character flaw."
_insert fairly relevant bojack horseman quote_ I don't think that it's inherently a problem for both to be there, because immaturity and maturity like everything else is a spectrum. It's about balance.
Yes, and some of what she takes as his immaturity are... pop culture references? It never once occurred to me that Peter's pop culture references were supposed to be a sign of his immaturity or a character flaw he needs to grow out of. He can grow as a person who dials down his ego and has healthier relationships and still enjoy the same pop culture references, and that's probably exactly where his character is headed.
Late, but it's a matter of framing. No, you can't present someone's immaturity as both charming and a flaw that must be addressed and corrected. Why must it be corrected if it's charming and positive? It's poignant that you bring up Bojack here, because a lot of his "quirks" in season 1 lead directly to destroyed lives and character deaths in later seasons. It becomes a detriment and a drag following him, for me personally and a lot of women anyway.
@@victoriapulcifer6218 Well yeah, exactly. Nobody is telling Cheech he needs to stop doing drugs, or Paul Stanley to keep it in his pants.
I love the "MANTIS, LOOK OUT!" scene personally. Just always gets a chuckle.
YesFunnyTimingButBlockingOutHerMomentToFaceHerAbuseBackstory
KillPenguins AKA xtzyshuadog it’s just a movie, they can’t get everything right
@@0akes That isn't really a valid response to criticism.
@Christopher M Hansen are you critizizing a movie from a time of racism for being slightly racist.
The way mantis is treated is very reflective of our attitude today. We like to "feel" for people who are damaged but they need to be dealing with the said damage in certain ways. The way mantis treats the abuse is very different than all the other characters from the movie, she's not aggressive, or obviously upset, or particularly immature or in any ways resentful. She's dealing with the abuse by working around the abuser. And even after being free from the abuser she shows little signs of dealing with it in the way others do, she seems submissive and an enabler but that's not particularly the way she may see herself. To her it may not be so, she has powers and knows how to use them but doesn't seems to try to run away from her abuser, she maintains healthy sense of empathy and autonomy but still happens to be not be angry. She deals with her abuse in a way we would not approve of today, she's weak. That's why they all make fun of her, she is affected by it but she's not defined by it, she will be only a bit different after being free, she's already quite fine. Her arc is not going to be a journey of self healing to the extent it is for our main characters. She doesn't need help as such. Therefore shes can't be sympathised with.
Devyani Singh This is a really interesting way to look at this character. Unlike the others she has decided to accept the abuse as a form of self preservation. This is something the other characters talk about having to deal with at some previous point in their lives.
@@madlenlang no, she has NOT accepted the abuse as a form of self preservation. That is the argument that the ones who dislike Mantis have. She accepts the abuse because she accepts the abuse. She WORKS AROUND the abuser as a form of self preservation. SHE HAS NOT ACCEPTED THE ABUSE TO PROTECT HERSELF, she just works around it. There is a difference. BUT unfortunately we as a society are only sympathetic with the ones who don't accept the abuse, who fight against it, who are hurt and therefore have significant emotional trauma and damage done to them. An ideal perfect hero would (technically) be one who does accept the abuse but after a significant amount of time building up powers and strategy would take down the abuser- something which either has not existed yet or could only be possible if the person was saintly, a god or being guided by some heavenly figures in secret, either ways, we would still not sympathise with such character unless they were showing some sort of emotional trauma or hurt or some damage the abuse has caused them.
Guardians of the Galaxy is like.... an alternate version of Cinderella. If the story of Cinderella had shown mortal danger to her and the story of abuse of her step sisters. But when was the last time you caught yourself feeling sad for Cinderella? As a kid maybe? When you were like 5? That's what we need to get back to to sympathise with Mantis, a little kid who sees another person in pain. THATS IT. Not seeing how they dealt with it, not what they did about it, just felt bad that something bad was happening to someone.
Devyani Singh I’m pretty sure we’re arguing the same point and your objection is just over an issue of phrasing. I don’t think Mantis is weak or “less than” for accepting the abuse. In fact, protecting oneself from certain doom at the abuser by accepting it is completely normal and happens in real life. It is itself a form of strength which is why I enjoyed the portrayal of this character and the interpretation presented in this video. We tend to tell stories of the hero who actively fights against the abuser (as is the case with Peter and Gamora). In this story we see a character actively trying to navigate through ongoing abuse. Even those “heroes” went through a time where they accepted or tolerated the abuse because they weren’t in a position to fight or escape (again Peter and Gamora). What is also interesting here is that sometimes you can’t escape on your own. Mantis needed help, she needed to form bonds with people other than her abuser to take action against the abuse and she overcame this obstacle with the help of others. She does not meet the “hero” archetype describes above but that does not make her weak or less of a sympathetic character.
I like this read of Mantis. There were aspects of her character that I liked (I actually was rather fond of her interactions with Drax), but overall, I was uncomfortable with how she was treated as a kind of throw-away joke in certain other scenes, especially in retrospect.
She reminded me a LOT of women that I knew growing up in a very small, very fundamentalist religious environment where abuse and male narcissism were rife. The actress seems to really "get" the psychology and does a very good job in portraying it with her body language. You're absolutely correct that it's a "working around" the abuser to survive. Instead of putting up walls to survive, they do the opposite. They learn to intimately understand people, so that they can predict their behavior. With this comes a certain amount of empathy for the abuser's perspective.... But of course, since the other characters have all chosen to do the opposite, she reads as weak or silly to them.
I think you probably hit the nail on the head that society has a hard time sympathizing with women like this. It's hard to get into the mindset of someone who has the power to leave an abuser, but doesn't. I'm not sure I agree that she wouldn't have any healing to do. Her internalization of the victim identity is probably something she would have to work through, eventually. But she is not likely to deal with it in unhealthy, self-destructive ways as the other characters do, and that makes for a less interesting story, from a fiction perspective. :)
Misty Mikes If I may comment about what you said at the end about Mantis not participating in harmful/unhealthy self-destructing behaviour in the future or at all. I unfortunately have some personal experience with that would disagree with that statement. Sure people who use the same method she is portrayed using to cope with her abuser are less prone to violent outbursts and such but self-destruction isn't always violent. Some great examples of would be eating disorders, hoarding, non substance addiction like shopping, gaming or exercise. Where people will spend beyond their means acquiring huge amounts of debt, loose sleep or all connection to reality because they can't escape a/several/must100% a game, or they workout to literal exhaustion every day compulsively. Sure there are less casualties or passers by hurt in their destructive behaviour but that's due to their empathetic nature. They know how painful everything is so they work extra hard to do everything in their power to keep from hurting anyone else and often spiral into tunnel vision on their "secret" destruction. It's usually only when these types of people fall into substance addiction and are either "party or angry" drunks that people notice and say something. Unless someone close to them actually notices and says something. Or they themselves become aware while in therapy.
Anyway yea it's sad that media only takes the angry and mad abused individual seriously while the gentle "I need to tiptoe around this minefield to survive" abused gets laughed at and not taken as seriously.
Poor Rabbit. He's had such a tough story arc.
My little brother died in his sleep, and I have a soft spot for sibling angst in movies. I even cried during It part 1 when Bill and Georgie met at the end. I’m sorry you lost your dad.
So Sorry for your Loss!!!!! :( D:
In light of Infinity War's exploration of Thanos, this examination of GotG 2 really hits home.
frogoat Or the ground
The themes of Infinity War and GotG Vol. 2 seem to go hand-in-hand which is not totally surprising considering James Gunn had a lot to do with Infinity War considering that both take a heavy and realistic view at abuse. The scene of Gamora crying after she thought she killed Thanos is so sobering because we realize that despite all he's done, Gamora still at the most basic level loves Thanos, her life-long abusive father
Wow. This is one of the best breakdowns of a movie I've seen in ages. Well done.
I lost my father when I was 12, and we did not have a good relationship. It's nice for someone to put the complex feelings into words
My grandfather died 4 years ago and I wasn't able to make the funeral, as I live on the opposite end of the country and couldn't afford the flight at the time. To this day, I have not watched the recording of it that my mom gave to me. I, and many others, can relate to Peter.
For what it's worth-
You didn't do anything wrong by not being able to get there. The fact that you think about him, that you *miss* him, shows how deeply you loved and how you're trying to honor him now.
Nobody could ask for more. You're doing right by him. It's okay to not be ready to watch the recording, yet.
*internet hugs*
So Sorry for your Loss!!!!! :( D: