The Man Who Won $10,000,000 Accused of Cheating The WSOP
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- Winning $10,000,000 at the World Series of Poker (WSOP) is the dream of many, but for one man, this victory came with accusations of cheating. This documentary delves into the true story of how he claimed the massive prize and the controversy that followed. Follow as we discuss the details of his gameplay, the strategies he employed, and the allegations that rocked the poker world.
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100% cheated. WSOP officials did an awful job encforing the rules. When he "won" and went to the rail, watch his team quickly try to remove an earpiece and hide it. Super sketchy!
If you look at the celebration right when he won the guy on the rail has an AirPod in is right ear. When he hugs the winner HIS earpiece fell off. So he handed it to his friend.
@@Kickflipguy You're right. Good catch.
This guy is big time cheater!!
@@Kickflipguy why do you think he acted so weird when it came out? They were all scrambling to hide it. *AWKWARD*
Hmm in nfl they also review everything on screen. So why is illegal in poker?
I don't understand poker tournament organizers. In the important rounds they should ban all electronic devices including phones and should not be allowed to interact with the rail. Super simple.
Check their nose size, then you will understand. The amount of complete non understanding of who operates the purse strings is mind blowing from a group of people who think they are intelligent. The reason nothing was overturned was because the people who create the event were profiting as well. Soooooooooo complicated though......i guess when you play kids games most of your life professionally, this is what happens.
All rounds are important in a tournament.
So you no longer want this to be a spectator sport or anything like that? That doesn't seem to be a good idea
@MultiSteven2011 you don't need personal devices and external broadcasts are usually 45m delayed precisely to prevent cheating
@@MultiSteven2011 I love the game, but it’s not a sport… spectating and interacting are two different things.
If Tamayo is looking at a solver on the rail then I would call that “using a solver” which is against the rules.
This is the most obvious and clear cut case of cheating i have ever seen in poker
Yet every single pro openly uses solvers online all day everyday. Imo who cares if he used a solver or not they can't change yours or your opponents cards
How about knowingly playing with a mark deck like Ivey got away with.
@@silversharkc4666 when?
I don't understand why electronic devices are allowed anywhere near the table. When we play at the casinos, we are not allowed to use our phones during a hand. When I play at the craps table, I am not allowed to have my phone out. It is a rule to prevent communication devices, or any type of electronic devices that might help a player cheat the game. Poker is supposed to be about a player vs. another player. He should not be allowed to constantly get up from his seat to go to the rail. Poker IS NOT A TEAM SPORT. It is obvious that they were trying to hide something when the camera caught their post-victory, celebration at the rail. Something goes from one hand to another, then the last person putting whatever was passed into his pocket. So obvious.
WHY CAN YOU GO TO THE RAIL? what’s the point… 20 years ago they didn’t do that
Exactly, there should be no coaching, consulting, laptops, phones, etc.. It's you vs the other player not you vs the other player and his team of pros and their laptops. BS
To cheat lol
@@Ieatz_ to check solver results and deny culpability of knowing thats what the rail was up to, thats why they go to the rail
I could literally find instances of people going to the rail 20 years ago in about 30 seconds if I could be bothered but your comment is so completely absurd on the face of it that I'm not going to dignify it by wasting my time. Seriously, go watch 5 minutes of any old footage from WSOP, WPT etc from as far back as you can find and you will see people going over to their rail periodically.
They go to the rail to get information from their friends, things like their opponent's hole cards in earlier hands, to get advice on whether to open up or close down their range etc. Even just to go have a quick chat and a pep talk. There are perfectly valid reasons to go to the rail and it HAS ALWAYS BEEN DONE.
This was different though, for sure. No one has ever been to the rail that often, and been looking directly at a laptop and discussing stuff with a coach. I have no clue how it was allowed to happen and it might be time to ban players going to the rail.
@@bipolarminddroppings It's ridiculous that people were EVER allowed to do that. This is the biggest game in poker. If I'm at the final table I'm playing you not your friends and computers. WSOP created this mess
they straight up set up a data research center in the spectator section with laptops and solvers right in front of Casino Security and knowing Staff and Spectators lmfao. He had an entire team behind him with real time info at the rail after every hand. Is Poker now a team sport ?
My Friend, Poker has never been a sport.
I takes certain personalities to play this game .
@@доктор-вонючая-морковьLook up the definition of sport you 🤡
Sport: an activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others for entertainment.
Poker requires physical and mental abilities, skill, thinking, competing etc. It's a sport you fool
@@KeatingComedy I'll play you heads up no rail and beat you with 7-2
@@frissonsteemit2318How tough did you feel when you commented that
Yes it has been fool tournament players often had coaches at their rails even 15 years ago
Poker is supposed to be played between people, not machines..
100% this
Tell that to the 100's if not 1000's of bots on poker sites playing this very game...
Cheating. Might as well allow everyone to use gto solvers on their phone
If they do that they will have to rename it to the world series of poker algorithms.
@@liamartinproductions if you want to change the rules to not allow any assistance from rails that’s fine, but if you think what he did was cheating I think you are insane.
Checking a chart before a hand isn't the same as actively using a silver idiot
@@KeatingComedy it is cheating
“I didn’t tell them to bring a laptop that was on them” as we see clips of him turning the laptop and pointing at it himself 😂
I can't understand why poker tournaments refuse to ban cell phones and other electronic devised in the game area. The World Series of Boardgaming is a board game tournament held in Vegas every year with cash prizes much less than the WSOP ($25k), but their code of conduct explicitly bans all phones or other electronic devices from the game area. You'd think the WSOP would do all they could to protect their reputation under the circumstances.
Buck Tamayo . He should be stripped of that money/trophy
It was on the WSOP to enforce their own rules. The fact that they allowed him to run back and forth to a guy with a laptop without checking is insane. That being said there’s no way the tournament directors and other lower level staff did not know what was happening on that rail. Casinos know everything. So since he was not stopped or warned by staff it is clear he should be allowed to keep the Bracelet and the winnings. Regardless of how people in the poker community feel about it and regardless of how scummy and unfair it was the rules were not set in stone. The announcement itself was vague, “If you’re found using a poker solver there’s a POSSIBILITY of being disqualified from the tournament”. Do I think it was fair? F no but it is what it is and more people should have spoke out during the tournament.
It was so obvious that he and his team were doing something wrong. Also, a good hacker could get the video feeds and see what his opponents cards are. They could listen in to the announcers also.
I was on the 2nd place finishers rail! I was wearing an All in hat and a black shirt that I made that says, I AM THAT I AM. I also played in this WSOP Main Event and placed 785th out of 10,112 and won $25,000. Another thing that I found odd was Tomato was wearing a hoodie with the hood on his head and the room was getting hot? To me he was concealing his earbuds,and yes you can talk and be talked to through them!🤢🤮😡🤬💩Yes 2nd place finisher (Jordan) was cheated!
Sorry to hear that. I was rooting for Griff hard especially after his epic river on day 8. Also congrats on cashing in that is certainly not easy to do.
@@liamwhite8713 Thank you! I'm now 2x for 4x tries Thanks to God! I also min cashed in 2019 (1,212th out 8,569) and even better in 2024. I'm on Twitter,RUclips and 2x Instagram!
wow. did my reply really get deleted?
Ridiculous
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Lol you guys are cowards. 4 replies deleted.
He will never get the respect of poker community who play the game fair & square!
Well, Respect or 10 Million Dollars... For many people that would be quite an easy choice to make.
If he keeps the 10mil he couldn't care less about the respect lmfao
@abde4645 yep - when that chance presents itself you're stupid not to take it and retire a very happy man - YOINK!
$10,000,000=respect.
@@All_SportGG not only Tamayo is scuming cheater, but funny enough he also received less money than Griff, cause this loser is stacked by others, so his part of the prize is not so big. Source: one scammer from the rail was bragging in twitter that he received his part of prize money.
i just played a deepstack tourney here in las vegas, there was a lady with a tablet on the table. She was watching it with headphones on the entire time, they said nothing to her. One of the dealers was getting mad at her, she had to keep taking off her headphones to hear how much the raise was. It is pissing me off, phones and tablets delay the game so much. Tourney directors see this and do nothing, but its also the dealers who should be saying something. The lady was not cheating, but she was delaying action all the time.
That's insane.
Blud was catching up on game of thrones
Lap top shut as soon as river came , maybe wasn't needed anymore pretty obvious they were all in on it !
Your normal videos: "To understand how it all started we have to go back to (insert date a couple of decades ago)". This time: 4 months!
Great watch, as always :)
Thanks, someone asked for newer stuff so we did it!
I dont understand why none of the other players at that Final Table or the tournament staff didnt question this while it was occurring. Those DOUCHES on Tomato's rail werent exactly hiding what they were doing.
They need to update OPTAH (one player to a hand) to OPTAS (one player to a seat) and ban all electronics from the room.
As a poker pro, I can tell you that solvers didn't make him win the tournament. The amount of luck it takes to even get to the final table let alone win is so massive that skill is honestly secondary to just short-term variance. And he could make all the right plays according to the solver and still lose if he ran bad. I'm all for getting rid of solvers regardless though sine they do provide an unfair skill advantage, but I'm just saying that to claim he just "cheated" the tournament like there's no validity to his win at all is a misunderstanding.
they need to ban ALL electronics from any poker play or at least tournament events.
Really good vid, nicely done
Glad you enjoyed it, thank you very much, it's appreciated.
What I don't get is why did nobody make a fuss at the time this was happening during the Final Table??? If I was playing at the table for $10 million and saw those laptop conferences at the rail....I would have taken a complete shit fit on the tournament staff till it stopped.
Right, it’s like the same thing when all these women from who only decades later spoke up about Harvey Weinstein because they were worried about their career at the time.
I agree for the crowd someone could have said something, but I don't blame Griff TBH. Regardless, it is the tournament directors job to ensure fair play.
Maybe during the earlier levels when there are hundreds or thousands of players you can argue players have to help police things and report it, but when you're down to 2 people the TO and tournament staff should be able to manage it so the players can focus on their game.
I also don't like the idea of telling players they are responsible for this stuff because some people are very aggressive and frankly stupid and will cause massive drama over nothing if they are allowed to, let alone encouraged to, police this stuff themselves.
Everyone - even Tamayo himself - knows it's cheated. The only valid argument right now is if and how the title could be invalidated, and I don't see that argument would come to a conclusion in the near future.
How is this any different than what they were allowing Kristen Foxen to do? She was constantly running to the rail for advice and her friend was looking at her phone. She was running over there nearly every hand.
Blame the people who thought it would be a good idea to bring tech into a game that’s been played without it since 1269
If he is wearing an earpiece, then he should be disqualified. Someone else could be making all the decisions thru the earpiece, it wasn't even him playing on the table.....lol.
I still can't believe wsop hasn't said a word. Do they even care?
they are doing damage limitation. They know they messed up.
Coincidently they sold to GG poker for 500 million
Of course not. They got THEIR money from the portion of the players' entry fees so they have no interest in overturning a rule for someone else. IF this affects their future tournaments and legality of how they're run....THEN they'll are. THe Las Vegas board would have to crack down on them hard to get them to do something for this year.
This guy needs to have his winnings taken and given to #2. Such crap
Nah. That’s the WSOP fault. So many other players did the same thing and lost so it’s on the WSOP for not enforcing. They should just start a clean slate next year.
The guy who pockets the ear-bud is acting totally natural. Absolutely not guilty of any wrongdoing.🤣
According to Tournament Rule announced over the speaker to the entire room, this was indeed violation of the Rule, and the Tamayo must be disqualified. It is that simple and obvious..
Baffles me how someone can beat 10,000 players and then on the final 9 switch up their game and start using real time laptop assistance (and the ear buds- wtf!)
I don't understand why they allowed his group to bring a laptop and put it right on the side lines. It's like they WANTED him to cheat. It's simple. All they had to do was NOT allow the players to walk to the sideline unless it's during breaks.
Give him back his buy in, take that out of #1 prize money, then bump up every other player one spot, so #2 gets #1’s payout, #3 gets number #2s etc. That’s fair. Abysmal management that they all sat around and let him run to the rail every hand.
How about the people that got eliminated with nothing because of him. How are you going to calculate how that effects the rest of the field?
Not gonna happen
The guy cheated with the help of a team. Stating that he personally didn’t operate a laptop is just semantics. The WSOP has been a bed of cheating and the organizers refuse to do anything about it
The worst part was Jack Effel inviting another cheater, Joseph McKeehen, who was part of the cheating team, to come to the table and celebrate cheating with Tamayo...!!!...It is just very Sick.
Great videos dude.
I’m just surprised he did it so blatantly on live tv on the final table where the world is watching
How are we even questioning if a cheater should keep his winnings
Players should stay seated at all times if they're in the hand and no devices
I don’t think Tamayo cares about the hate from the poker community; if he did he wouldn’t have done it. He just wanted to push an edge for profit.
Can you blame him? $10 million dollars is a lot of money.
@@TILT223 the voiceover at one point suggested it was something he cared about; that’s what I was responding to.
More Juicey content, Awesome :)
Thanks man appreciate your feedback, how did you find this compared to other uploads? Tried to do something a little different.
Vegas casinos have the most high tech CCTV systems around, surely they have allready focused on the laptop when gathering evidence. They are now probably discussing how to deal with their reputation being ruined and the best way to take the hit.
Very fair.
There should be no electronic devices allowed. AT ALL. No talking allowed to anyone in the audience or at the rails. WTF.
If it was within the rules… he didn’t cheat.
People are mad because he found and used a loophole.
Well played to him and his team.
Might be against the law, tho.
@@jtd8719 as I said, if he found a. Loophole and used it, good lad.. if it turns out here they cheated.. take the money and ban em for life
What part of the announcer saying: NO SOLVERS ALLOWED are you not understanding?
@@emmanuelhoule8070 when it is proven (if) then as I said, ban them.
Until then. They used a loophole (player wasn’t the one using the solver)
Maybe the organizers should have made sure to close them BEFORE the event.
What part of this is hard for YOU to understand.
There were ACCUSATIONS.. with basically zero proof.
Do you always take accusations at face value?
They wouldnt blatantly do it if it wasnt allowed. Blame WSOP and not the players involved for not having clear cut written rules.
Cheating or not, this is one of the most shameless and embarrassing things I've seen in 20+ years of watching poker.
How can this guy even call himself a champion, repeatedly consulting solvers in between hands, and against a non-pro, no less?
And the WSOP is equally to blame for allowing this buffoon show to go on.
I remember seeing McKeehan win the main event, and thinking he was an extremely awkward and unusual fellow, so it doesn't surprise me at all that he was involved here.
What a joke.
folding queens pre-flop because the solver said it's the best play and his rail told him is all the evidence I need to know this was a cheating situation.
I still can't get my head around how no one else on the rail alerted the floor to what was going on. I can't fathom how no one at the table asked "what the hell are they looking at over there?". I can't fathom how a professional player thought that what they were doing was okay. So many things went wrong to allow this to happen.
I really hope WSOP crack down hard on this. We can't have a repeat.
Fair questions, you would have thought the organisers were watching too right?
… it’s a scummy move to make … he and his accomplices should get a lifetime ban … they can do that kinda of stuff in poker back rooms … where someone will inevitably beat the crap out of them … ppl should boycott WSOP if they don’t take action now … this will open the flood gates to AI support during poker play …
What action can they take that they didn't take DURING play - WSOP are just idiots for allowing it OR NOT allowing but not enforcing it when it's not allowed. Blame WSOP for their stupidity NOT the guy who exploited the loophole they left to ABSOLUTE perfection. They probably won't make that mistake EVER again but Tomayo couldn't give a toss - he's got his $10 million!
Uhh. Or they DONT do it in the backrooms. Where someone will beat them up. And they do it at WSOP. Where some did not beat them up. ?
Its not posible that the casino don't have camera footage!
Regardless of whether it was technically “illegal” or “explicitly against the rules”, it’s OBVIOUSLY a shitty thing to do regardless, I mean you can hold your hands up and say “I wasn’t technically breaking the rules I was bending them to exploit a loophole” but you know damn well you were trying to get an unfair advantage over other players.
WSOP dropped the ball there. Fire the floor man. I'd of seen the guy go the rail/laptop once and would of been like... No talking solvers with the finalist or you're out of here no questions asked, period.
It might not technically be against the WSOP tournament rules, but it sure as hell looks slimy. This could be trouble for WSOP vis-a-vis the state gaming rules (and maybe even the casino, depending on the contract language with WSOP) as they ran the tournament. Potentially a class-action lawsuit on behalf of every player in the Main Event? Crazier things have happened. At any rate I'd refuse to play with any of Tomayo's 'team'.
It's crazy with all the money on the line there is no security pat down or check if he's wearing any hearing devices.
It's not so much the laptop and solver that gets me, it's his earpiece. They obviously know it was wrong and they were all in on it to quickly get the evidence away. Not only should they all be banned, they should all be in jail
The best thing they can do is make it clear from here on going forward. They can't stuff the shhh back into the horse, but the very least they can do is ban electronics and no interacting with the rail at the final table. People are risking $10k to win millions. It's bad enough everyone can cheat at any time during a tournament with headphones/earbuds remotely if they really want to do that.
There are concerts and clubs where you can't get in with phones. Ban all tech in the tournament area. Important phone call? "Not our problem"; Wanna go through your e-mail? "Not our problem"; Wanna kill time? "Not our problem".
i blame the organisation for not enforcing streicter laws in a 10mil dollar game.
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The way you said it made me laugh so hard
I will not be watching the WSOP next year.
I’d love you to do a video on the bellagio robber who was a poker player
It makes no sense to me that an algorithm would fold pocket queens. Did he get info on his opponents hand via the earpiece?
The earpiece is a non-starter. It clearly fell out of the ear of the guy on the rail, not the player.
Was his "team" using solvers? Almost certainly. Is that against the rules? Stupidly, no. At least not the rules as written. The announcement over the loudspeaker is different then the rules as written and an announcement over a loudspeaker does not make it official. They weren't hiding it, the officials overwatching the game saw him go over to the rail multiple times. They didn't step in because rules as written, he wasn't doing anything wrong.
Do I personally think technology like this should be allowed? No, not on the floor. It's something to use during training, not during events. The problem squarely falls on the WSOP for not banning these devices in the rules. And if you somehow believe a loudspeaker announcement is an official rule, the blame is still squarely placed on the WSOP for not enforcing those rules. Again, there was no attempt to hide what was taking place. So it was either legal or illegal and unenforced. That's really the only two options here.
I don't agree on the earpiece. You can see from the coverage Tamayo is wearing that earbud at various points at the table under his hoodie.
It's not at all hard to imagine those earbuds being paired to the laptop and them using a TTS (text-to-speech) software to read off ranges and the associated percentage of how to proceed with them. All of which he could receive live during the hand at the table.
The other guy having the earbud in that moment could just be as simple as a tech issue they were experiencing and he was getting them repaired for more use.
It could also be totally innocent, but you can't dismiss it either imo.
@@sqrlmonger how would the rail know his whole cards in live play?
@@TimmyRipkey-zj7sg Why do you imagine they need to?
Most of the useful solver info can be condensed quite easily. For example you don't need the solver to tell you to fold or raise a large number of hands pre-flop.
What you need is the solver to give you info on the hands where you want to fold/call/raise in some mixture some percentage of the time. And as the hand progresses the number of "interesting" hands tends to reduce not increase, and it does so rather quickly.
Where "interesting" is just defined as the solver could tell you something you wouldn't already know because it is very obvious to anyone who knows how to play, for example, that the solver thinks you should fold 72o to a 3-bet.
And again, this is just one way earbuds paired to the laptop could be used. I'm confidant there are other ways to gain unfair advantage with them.
Just to be totally clear - I'm not saying this definitely happened. I am saying that it shouldn't be dismissed.
I think all the participants who play w him should sue him and the WSOP!
as a poker player the edge isn't as big as you think; however, it is there
I think the best way to mitigate all this poker solver nonsense while not completely disallowing spectating via the rails is to turn up the temperature in the casino to at least 120°F.
Strip him of the 10 mil, ban him and ban all those poker players on his team
They care more about the show and the ratings than they do about the game.
The tournament director should be fired ...
This is the corprate world in all industries it seems, sad really as it undermines the game.
What I'd like to know is WHY was the wording on solvers changed for THIS year prior to the tournament? It made it more vague and thus people were able to legally go around the rule (i.e, team on the rail used the solver, not the player). Sounds fishy that they would do this and then this type of thing happens at the end. Not a good look for them.
I would imagine it was a genuine oversight, that they now regret deeply.
Ear piece? That should be jail time by itself.
he has no legacy. he cheated. but he doesn’t care as he’s 10million richer. but no one will play with him again.
Wait I’m old school… since were laptops or any type of tech allowed at the table? Doesn’t that defeat the purpose of players outsmarting each other through wits and knowledge rather than algorithms?
While he might have acted potentially unethically, if it does not break the rules then it's fair game until the rules change. It's the same in every sport.
he cheated...and ear bud was passed and he checked with a computer between hands ...pretty bloody obvious he cheated
@@patbeulah6208 If you watch the whole clip, you can see that the guy he is hugging had an earpiece in his right ear before the hug. After the hug that was gone. So it is pretty obvious that the piece being passed fell out of that person's ear, not ther player's.
@patbeulah6208 Jonathan Tomato did not cheat youre just jealous 🍅
Ending someone’s life at the table to win a pot also “isn’t against the rules” anywhere.
I guess it’s allowed
#YourLogic
The loser removing the earpiece and giving it to the other guy should also be banned from competing, he helped him cheat and sure as HELL knew that that is illegal.
Just get rid of the rail next year
Its annoying and obnoxious anyway
Personally, I think, no more rail support.
Even if tomayo isn't getting "real time" help. His rail is still watching previous hands, and are able to tell him what his opponent played, when he buffed, when he raised, etc. This is all information he should not have access to. And information that gives him an unfair advantage.
Could Griff had done the same? Yes. But is that the way poker should be moving forward?
Guys made their careers on being able to read ppl at the table. Now, you just have to wait 30min to see exactly how a hand played out, giving you perfect info on how your opponent plays.
If I were a pro player, I'd refuse to play tomayo or any of his rail moving forward.
Them not being able to get into the big cash games or tournaments sounds like a fair punishment.
Sounds like it depends on how much weight that announcement had. The written rules didn't prohibit it, but other previous tournament rules had. Sometimes things are omitted accidentally during rule changes because it's just assumed. It's against the typical code, but might not actually be cheating. If the announcement at the tournament is deemed official enough, then it's cheating. If they let it go as written, it's technically not.
*heads up should be replayed since the casino did nothing while it was happening*
It was stated over the intercom, No solver in or around the tournament area. the rail is pretty much a Tournament Area, it’s literally couple feet away. And he was going up to the rail looking at and pointing at things in the Laptop, that clearly is him getting information from it. F Jack Eiffel and the team for letting this slide. Poor supervision for the amount of money these people are getting paid to do their Job.
well, if he was wearing a earpiece it was hidden by his hoodie, his rail was on the poker software relaying him instructions, he cheated with the aid of his rail
I heard the operator conveniently sold the WSOP franchise to get out of this mess. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
Got a refereence for that?
This video is wrong saying it's like having a Chess solver. In chess having an engine will 100% guaranty the win.
Exactly. You can also be a losing player by only using poker solvers. Solvers will tell you what an optimal play is, assuming the other player is strictly using "game optimal theory". You can exploit players who play very straight forward play, like they would if they were only playing based on what a solver recommends.
Cheating and conspiracy in poker.... Shame on all those involved
Not only should he be banned from the WSOP, so should his rail, especially Joe who knows better. I bet next year they will be more vigilant.
The problem is that he wasn’t the only one who did it so why punish only him. They should start enforcing the rules next tournament and call it a mistake on their behalf and keep it moving.
Very disappointing for a guy who has played for awhile should know better, and that fact that he thought he wasnt cheating just makes the matter worst, even his buddy who wonnthe yesr before should be ashamed of themselves,
It’s not like they were doing it surreptitiously. It was out in the open for all to see and nobody said anything about it so I don’t consider it to be cheating. I consider it to be lousy management. They need a concrete set of rules and to enforce them. If I were in charge, that would mean no laptops in the entire tournament area and no listening devices at the table of any kind. I would also go so far as to say no phones out at the table. Keep your phone on vibrate in your pocket and get up and walk away from the table if you are so important that you simply must be connected while you are in a major poker tournament. It’s a pretty simple, fix really.
This is such a poor quality report. The QQ fold was not at the final table as is being suggested. You’re also insinuating that Tamayo was cheating throughout the whole thing and using solvers during hands somehow much earlier in the event. I haven’t heard that being suggested in any of the legit poker forums. It’s clear that “the team” was there for the final table. It’s not unusual to have coaches on the rail. It’s also pretty clear that the coaches were using solvers and that they were communicating *between* hands. It’s not clear that anything happened during hands. The rules were vague this year, and I haven’t seen any evidence that Tamayo himself was actually interacting with a solver, so it probably wouldn’t have been against the tournament rules. They were doing all of this in plain sight, so I expect that they don’t think they were doing anything wrong.
The tournament directors should have stepped in and kicked the coaches out - even if not explicitly against the rules, they have discretion. But retroactively penalizing the guy for behavior that is not explicitly against the rules is totally wrong. Moreover, he’s likely a much better player than griff, so one would expect him to win more often than not even unaided. Even solvers during the hand would not give Tamayo a victory 100% of the time. Realistically, it probably gave him a small additional edge, but how much is unknowable. Likely just a few percentage points, but let’s even consider as high as 25%. So realistically he “cheated” griff out of at most 1/4 of the $4M difference between 1st and 2nd, or at most $1M (but probably way less realistically).
I hate this going-to-the-rail-between-hands thing at all. Okay, maybe when you win or lose a *big* hand, they can give you a moment to have your buddies calm you down or whatever. But between every hand is ridiculous. You shouldn’t be able to consult with coaches during the levels even if they’re not using computers-that kind of stuff should be limited to the breaks. Or more concretely, they should deal the next hand immediately, and if you’re not at your seat, the dealer mucks your hand (as is the usual tournament rule). So sure, you could just go get some coaching, but you’d be folding a few hands in the meantime.
WSOP should add more explicit rules. We know AI programs will continue evolve and help with real time decisions poker hands based on what is community cards are shown, habits of each player at table, etc.. Thus, ban of all communication at table with rail until end of session. (no comm during breaks).. sure, rail will try to use hand gestures.. maybe no crowds (less excitement) this is like Mad Magazine Spy vs Spy
I like your channel. Your stories just aren’t factual and are disingenuous.
I’ve watched all of your videos. 2 of your videos I knew the stories very well prior to you putting them on your channel.
It’s pretty interesting to see how you embellish and add your own narrative to make the stories more compelling.
Simple rule: 1 guy, no team. Passing through a scanner like on an airport before each game. And a drug test.
Nah no drug tests.
@@ThisisFerrariKhan Drug test for sure! Who tests negative gets banned. So, one h a s to be intoxicated to be allowed to play. „No crack, no deck“
Tomayo didn't ummm cheat, he just played poker by committee. Now the wsop officials? Let's just say, that checking out their bank accounts could be very interesting.
So wsop is not going to do anything about it?
Look the way I see it, this tournament will die if occasional players/ poker lovers bail. This is just a shame, I hope with all of this coming out some set in stone rules will be applied.
Good video bro, well done.. unfortunately this will destroy wsop fields. Why would recs come to play and feel like they have zero chance? He had an advantage, not huge but it helped him win without a doubt and he obviously cheated the system and doesnt care. Worst day since black monday on fulltilt
All true, lots have spoken about how it may undermine the game.
Poker is 70% luck. Algorithms will not help much.
Who cares if you use a laptop or any software, you still don't know the other player's cards
Why make a rules if they don’t enforce it. It was definitely gave him slight advantage. Without a doubt