Does Guthrie Trapp Have a Point about Youtube Guitarists?
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I think Guthrie himself felt like this video was bashing him, based on his IG story. Over in the UK, a Nasvhille guy is a thing.
Like that's a place we know music gets recorded and played. Nashville guy is not a term we use to bash anything.
The video is more about my experiences in the music industry (which never got as far as Nashville) and how being a RUclips guitarist (as much as I might not like the term) has provided me loads more opportunities than I got from the real music world...
I think Guthrie is a great guitarist, but I think he likely didn’t watch the video. You actually promoted his classes on True fire (“great teacher”), were complimentary and center the video on your experience.
The awkward thing was that his IG compliant ended with a stab a “doing research before making statements”.
Well handled in pinning a clarification, but I don’t think it’d be needed for anybody who watched the video.
Cheers
Guthrie is sort of a sensitive type. He struggles with any negative comments on his videos. It’s been an issue with him, insofar as much as he recently admitted that he needed to ignore negative comments, and sort of made a pledge to his viewers that he wasn’t going to talk about any negative comments on his videos from here on out.
I think Guthrie is a decent guy. He’s certainly an elite top tier player. But he’s touchy, and maybe even has a slight temper.
But then again, aren’t we/don’t we all?
@@thesonnyboy 100% He either can’t have watched the video or he totally got the wrong end of the stick. There’s nothing critical in this video towards GT
Artists have egos. How else would you dare get up on a stage with a few thousand watts behind you and play your music to an audience. It is scary, nerve wracking, hard, fun, exhausting, unappreciated, appreciated, criticized, etc. etc.. You have to be sensitive to do it. Or be a robot on stage.@@zenlandzipline
GT is a phenomenal guitarist but tends to be sensitive and opinionated. He seems to have a bit of a holier-than-thou attitude and that rubs me the wrong way.
My relationship with YT is that I post performances of songs, lessons and a few gear reviews. I have been doing it sporadically since 2008. I notice that the gear reviews seem to be popular and some of the lessons as well. I also notice that my performance videos aren’t seen by as many, but those who see them are pretty devoted fans that buy my recordings and transcriptions. Mainly I use YT to bring awareness to my work. I appreciate it as a venue, income source and a vehicle to funnel those who enjoy what I do to my website so they can support my efforts. At this point I can’t (don’t want to )be a “full time” RUclipsr because I am fortunate to have a busy schedule of live performances, as many private students as I can handle and creating works for TrueFire and GuitarVivo. I suppose as things in the “music industry” unfold, it’s wise to go where the audience is and if I can do that without quite so much traveling, I suppose YT is a viable option to be at least part of the whole picture. I would be uncomfortable being seen as “just a YT guy” but I’m happy to be able to reach the fans and followers that find me there. Cheers John, I enjoy what you’re playing and your channel.
Tim Lerch posting here! One of my favourite guitarists and educators
We are in vastly different musical territory in these times, all previous norms are changed, the big recording companies no longer dominate, there is no 'hit parade' because the radio and television no longer rule the airwaves and the boards of investors behind the old industry no longer determine what we shall see and hear. We know that this is now an entrepreneurial matter, with a massive explosion of options and so-called 'micro genres' : a songwriter now has the ability to write/record/produce/market and tour independently, for vastly less money! RUclips is just one (a significant one albeit) medium for gaining an audience and developing an independent career. All bets are off, there is no guarantee of success,. It has always been very hard to win attention and gain an income from your music, that hasn't changed at all, we have a true "Open Market" and music no longer has the same rank it once occupied in our culture. It is now all down to how well you can adapt, and apply your creativity.
I'm a big fan of Guthrie and I see what he's trying to say, but I do feel like there is something else worth noting whenever this conversation comes up - Guy's like Guthrie, Tom Bukovac, Rhett Shull, Tim Pierce, whoever, all already have killer gear. By no means is nice expensive gear a prerequisite to making music, but when these guys are as good as they are and sound as good as they do, I think it is somewhat natural that fellow players will be curious of what gear they use, in addition to their technique. For a lot of us, we ARE excited to make music, but we are also curious about tone and the various pieces of gear that have carved out their own stories and legacies over times. Similarly, most of us can't afford to just buy an ODR-1 to see what "that sound" is like, so a demo of the 27th ORD-1 variant that's out there, played by a great player, is actually really helpful. That said, I do think it's totally a common pitfall, especially for guitar players, to get too caught up in the gear and forget about the true goal, like Guthrie said, and that's making music. I've definitely been guilty of it before, myself, but I also think these guys can sometimes forget how much knowledge they've amassed and how few people actually get to experience this type or quality of gear. Just like a certain guitar, amp or pedal might inspire a guy like Guthrie, the same is true for us non-youtube players too. None of us need it, but it inspires us to create. To me, it's all about that balance. Healthy curiosity about tone and gear is fine, just never stop creating. Cheers!
Love the straightforward talk, mate. 👍 I'm a beer man myself, but a bit of Old Rosie goes down a treat.
I've just started my YT channel. It's great for me. I giged for many years, and I absolutely hate it. Travelling at night to dodgy clubs where people just ignore you, only to be paid pennies or, more likely, nothing. At least now I can relax in the comfort of my own shed and get ignored. I've got tea and biscuits at the ready and a comfy chair.
It's trickier for the guitarists, because if it's going to be full pieces of music, most of the time it's going to be better in the context of an ensemble. Like Rhett Shull has just started doing. But that takes group coordination, time management, having a performance space, a camera person or multiple cameras, larger lighting rigs, biggers rooms, more mics and recording equipment and basically ... a lot more resources. But, I like the approach you are taking, ambient endeveours too, Mark Johnston, and also don't forget especially The Pedal Zone. It's not a coincidence that most of the people performing more complete pieces are working more in ambient genres. Similar to how the people working in ambient electronic music often have as many videos that are just a entire pieces of music performed, or even whole albums.
Mate you're a guitarists guitarist! To have you on this platform has been game changing for a lot of people!
I've been playing professionally as a gigging musician for years and when you mentioned the travel it really hit home and that's why I'm trying to transition more into RUclips and content creation because it does have it's ups and downs. Glad you outlined this for people who may be unsure on where to take their musical career next!
Danish Pete is my favorite RUclips player. And truth be told I really appreciate that YT exists otherwise I would never have been exposed to players like Pete, or John Cordy, etc.
I also think of players like Chris Buck, or Guthrie Govan, or Matteo Mancuso, or Tom Quayle - these guys have pretty legitimate careers of different types and I think RUclips (the jam track central stuff for Guthrie) has been quite a big part of that?
I remember Guthrie doing all the wild transcriptions for guitar techniques back in the day. God, I feel old 😅
I remember Guthrie doing all the wild transcriptions for guitar techniques back in the day. God, I feel old 😅
@@johnnathancordy I get the feeling being a "RUclipsr" has a negative connotation for some people. I think it's been one of the more powerful things to come from the Internet in terms of entertainment. It's really empowered musicians (Mary Spender talks about this) to not have to rely on anyone but themselves to have a career in music. If you have talent and drive and some personality you can make a good living. Tim Pierce talks about why he started his channel - the lure of making something once (a lesson) and generating recurring revenue vs playing a session and getting paid one time. Then guys like Pete Thorn or RJ who were touring musicians but can now stay home and still make a living playing guitar. I wish YT had been around when I bought my first guitar in the 80's - I'd be a much much better player!!
Guthrie is the man. Not just his playing, but his outlook. Also, I enjoyed this take!
My problem is that RUclips guitarists increasingly all sound the same, to me. Not sure if that's actual reality, or an algorithmic artifact.
deep questions. I like that phrase algorithmic artifact
Probably true for all art across all eras. Being a copycat is easier than being a standout. The standouts just get remembered more as time passes.
No shame in being a copycat though. Originally doesn't come easy to most of us. RUclips players sound all the same because they're part of the same community.
@carloswhomusic😋
so true
Original artist making guitar driven music are out here, I am 1 of them. We aren’t posting constantly thus we don’t pop up on your feed unless your following us.
Here are some of my friends Zane Carney, Tyler Bryant, Christone kingfish Ingram, Angela Petrilli, Band of Gringos.
I really don’t mind the existence of RUclips guitarists, but I understand what Guthrie meant. People used to want to be musicians, play in bands and record albums. Nowadays people want to make money being an influencer.
Making music is creating art..making RUclips videos..can be. Maybe.
A painter needs to paint. Are you a painter if you only make some brushes? I don’t know. It’s a thought question.
To get to the point, RUclipsr guitarist are not musicians necessarily and I believe Guthrie is defending the art of creating music instead of collecting gear and stuff.
How many "RUclips" guitarists would trade YT for being a "real" musician? 100% ;) Case closed. It's no one's "first choice". It's their last resort.
I wouldn't trade it now that this is my life. I get to actually play guitar at home. I turn down plenty of "real" musician gigs all the time. I also do a few when it makes sense.
exactly
I don't consider you to just be a RUclips guitarist, you actually play gigs.
You’re an accomplished musician / guitarist. I’ve 59 and have been playing since I was 8. I learn a lot from this channel and love hearing John play.
I love hearing him play as well. He's great and has good informed opinions. I'm a couple years younger but we are from the same era. @@markcarleton6647
Yeah same sentiment. I consider you a gigging musician that does this kind of vlog style side business to show how you get your sounds and what gear you prefer. Of course it’s cool that you have some partnerships with some brands and can demo some cool new gear every now and again. But I end up watching more tutorial style vids from here than anything else.
Ditto!
Exactly, John is a highly talented gigging musician who makes RUclips videos. The fact that videos give benifit and are successful is a bonus for him and us.
About the music industry, Herbie Hancock said remarkable words. Asked the question: Why is jazz not part of the pop scene anymore?
Hancock said: “Because it's not the music that matters anymore. People don't care about the music itself anymore, but about who makes the music."
"The public is more interested in celebrities and how a certain artist is more famous than music. It changed the way the audience relates to music. He no longer has a transcendental connection to music and its quality. Just wants the glamour. Jazz doesn't want to be part of it. Do you know why? It's not about humility, or arrogance, a posture ′′we don't want to be famous, we're underground". None of that. Jazz is about the human soul, not about the appearance. Jazz has values, teaches to live the moment, work together, and especially to respect the next. When musicians gather to play together, you have to respect and understand what the other does. Jazz in particular is an international language that represents freedom, because of its roots in slavery. Jazz makes people feel good about themselves.”
What is the source of this quote?
@@MarcoRaaphorstThey said Herbie Hancock, who was a fantastic jazz/fusion player
@@MarcoRaaphorst Johnny Smith had a Quote once that was Sort of this: Question for him was Why are you not recording much these days 1960's, he had tons of Records in the 50's. His simple answer was: Who is Listening or Buying? So he answered a Question more or less with another Question. He is easy to look up with the internet. Fabulous JAZZ guitarist, I have one 50's Vinyl That is Just Phenomenal, especially the Recording Quality. I have a couple CD's and other vinyl, but that one particular one was just astonishingly good. I also have a bunch of Howard Roberts and the reason I had bought his Vinyl, he was a Guitar Player Columnist for YEARS, 70's and 80's. Wes Montgomery again have Tons of His material. But who is Listening??? Lenny Breau was another Guitar player magazine columnist for years, Does the Harmonics thing before Eric Johnson was doing it, but in a FULL JAZZ context band.
@@jasondorsey7110 Is. Is a fantastic jazz/fusion player.
I think this is a copy pasted quote made up by someone on reddit...
most of the youtube guitar players all sound the same. They all play the same licks, same tones, same kinds of pedals. I think as great as youtube is it has killed originality along with peoples attention spans. Guitar players that I meet seem to be more interested in pedals and "tone" then actual music.
I'm not a fan of Guthrie but he absolutely has a point. RUclips guitarists mostly have little to do with actual music. It's either gear demos or lessons. And you have a point, as well, it is the way it is because the viewers mostly don't really care about other people's music, they care about getting something out of it for themselves. The whole ecosystem has little to do with creating or performing music.
Guthrie is just salty because no one cares about his original music.
Rather than whining that no one likes you....maybe go out and write some songs that people like? Being a "good guitarist" is pretty darn close to absolute uselessness, AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN. What matters now, yesterday, and forever more are SONGS. What's Guthrie's big hit again? I can't quite recall....
As a guitarist that performs every night, on the ship, I would have to say I absolutely admire guitarists that have a RUclips channel. I think it’s an amazing medium and one of the best ways to share your talents. It’s always nice to hear your performance at the beginning as well.
What I couldn’t (didnt) discover for 20 years, i attained within 2 year by watching teachers on RUclips. It has brought an enormous improvement in my playing. Appreciate all you do for us John. 💯💪
I think what Guthrie meant was pure RUclipsrs that play and perform in their bedroom exclusively. These are the people that can't play with others, can't adapt to unexpected conditions, can't play without a click track, et al.
you can't make those generalizations, friend .........sorry😋.
Literally every famous guitarist (or bassist, or keyboardist, or Sax player etc etc....) will tell you stories of learning by LISTENING to players who inspired them. They woodshedded licks, parts, solos etc as part of their own development.
I'm picking up electric guitar VERY late after spending most of my past gigging years on bass and some acoustic. I am tremendously inspired by your drop dead gorgeous playing and guess what, I'm teaching myself just by watching your hands and listening. And I intend to slow your videos down and learn some licks.
So what was Guthrie saying again?
There's a lass called Mimisounds who has been given free gear...by companies and even featured in an Anderson guitar shop video....buying a heavily discounted. PRS...she seems to have done ALL this by simply playing along to backingtracks...dressed in skimpy vests...not even playingin a band doing gigs...writing and singing actual songs...i assume shes well off....as it doesn't seem that she actually has a job...maybe we'll off parents who fund her hobby...and blokes...yeah it's blokes absolutely think she's the best player ever..lol....
The Burj Khalifa can fit 10,000 John Cordys at any given time, but John can only fit one Burj Khalifa, two if he’s done his stretches.
Eh Factbot you've already said this fact
Wha'bout Wiz Khalifa?
@@Dantespeako _if hes lucky_
Lol
YT is a gig for anybody willing to step up and give it a try. Money-wise, it's all marketing or control of the marketplace, I think.
I agree with Guthrie, most youtube players offer good content, but we barely or never see them in live situations (Corey Congilio, Chris Buck, John Nathan and a few others being an exception) but my main gripe has always been that there's almost none working in bands, creating new songs and coming up with cool riffs, but I guess it's part of the same media, which doesn't lend well to that, it's like following an Instagram model to learn about her Ph.D or something, it just isn't meant to be.
I just wish 75% of the so called RUclips guitarist would tune their guitar before hitting the record button. It's an Epidemic
I guess that's a little more forgivable than committing out of tune to record?
agreed
What's your favorite song written by a "RUclips Guitarist"? Exactly, there are none ;) Case closed. If you like it, fine, but you're not a "musician" making "music". You're a presenter making videos about others making music. Those who can't do, teach.
I'm a guitarist playing guitar on RUclips. That's making music. There's no more inherent value in writing/recording a song that no-one would listen to?
@@johnnathancordy Sure, Buddy. Whatever makes you feel better. LOL! Copium: 101
I don't mind being a "RUclips" guitarist at all. I did plenty of live gigs in my earlier years, which certainly had its charms, but now that I no longer have to travel back and forth to clubs, no longer have to set up and take down gear and no longer have to wait until I can soundcheck or wait until I can finally start the show, I have much more time for what is ultimately most important to me: composing songs and playing the guitar. John, I completely agree with you, but you really are a star, keep up the good work with your jams and continue to inspire us all!
It was rehearsals that killed it for me. Endless bloody rehearsals that never made me a better player in a band that never became a better band.
I get it bro, rehearsals can be a drag sometimes, especially if you're not with the right people.@@chrisoconnor1800
I've played live 20 years ago. Since then technology has advanced in a way you don't even need a band. Now is more comfortable to play and record in my bedroom. And the YT algorithm helps the people who don't care about the guitar to never come across my videos. 😂 On the other hand I get to play and record for myself and once in a while a get a comment. 😊 I sometimes miss the company of fellow musicians, but not the gigs and rehearsals. Great respect for guys who play live and earn a living.
Agree completely with Guthrie. BTW..he is a MONSTER player.
Most of these InstaGuitarists can't play well when in a room with real human musicians, and without having rehearsed 30 sec of music 100's of times before posting. Besides, the real sh*t...feel & groove etc... can't be taught on-line
Do we really know what level of rehearsal does or not go into making videos? How much rehearsal and how many takes might it have taken Eric Johnson to get some of his solos on Venus Isle recorded?
That the guitarist is on Instagram or RUclips actually doesn't tell you much about their interactions with real human musicians, or their past history, or what they do outside of their bedroom?
If I could make a career out of consuming RUclips guitarist videos, I’d be worth a mint…
Music industry sucks, I've done it, for decades. Now I have fun just putting whatever idea, inspiration, or insight, on my channel for others to do with as they may. I can now do original compositions, as well as anything else music-related and people seem to like it so..win win. Guitar has ascended beyond just being part of a band, and has now become a multi-faceted tool of inspiration, and that's what I choose to explore and promote.
I'm a big Guthrie Trapp fan I've taken one of his courses and watch his youtube channel. I think something that might be relevant to this topic is that Nashville is a sort of Shangri La for guitar players. There's a rich culture and history of song writing and session work and live venues with great players - and all that music, unlike modern popular music, is centered around guitar. I'm glad for all the guitarists finding a place for their stuff on youtube, and I hope for an evolution in popular music back to guitar driven music.
Would you recommend taking one of his courses?
Man it’s maybe been a couple years since I used to tune into your channel/livestreams everyday (life gets crazy and there’s not much time for watching videos these days unfortunately) but it’s so cool to see how much more recognition you’re getting now. Just realized the 100k subscriber milestone, congrats!
Don’t listen to the haters who are jealous of the cool stuff you’ve been able to accomplish online in the comfort of your own home, not to mention all of the cool “real-world” things you’ve been able to do outside of your home. Like you said, it’s all about what makes your engine run and want to keep going and if that’s creating content to help others in their guitar endeavors, then I think that’s incredibly commendable. You don’t have to be the famous superstar guitarist because for me and many others, you’re the guy who helped me improve my knowledge of the fretboard, know what good tone is, and got me sucked down the rabbit-hole of amp-modeling, haha!
Hey Jack! Hope you're well! Those livestreams were a lot ha!
The problem with RUclips guitarists is that they all play with the wrist. Awful.
If they're all doing it - maybe it's you?
@@johnnathancordy well Hendrix, SRV, Clapton, Page, Van Halen, Malmsteen, Beck, just to name a few, have something in common: They DON'T play with the wrist. So maybe it's not just me.
They use the full arm as support to have the wrist, hand, fingers free.
Tone comes from the way you hit the string, the energy and strength that flows from your arm and the delicacy of the hand and fingers. Hitting it with just the wrist motion and support sounds, thing, ugly and lacks energy.
Guitar lesson level 1. You're welcome.
I don't see the term "RUclips" guitarist as a negative. That could just be a partial description of what you do. Gigging, teaching, recording, product demoing, etc. can be all part of it.. It's hard to make a living playing live music or writing it. I've been a professional musician since I was 14 (now 51). The cost of a Budweiser has gone up 300% over the years but a club owner's desire to still pay musicians the same as they did in 1995 is crazy. I also battle "musicians" that are working professionals by day hobbyists by night and they are willing to play for very little or sometimes free. We made music essentially "free" for people and when something is free you tell people it has no value. Now guitar player's have to teach lessons, sell products, gig, write, bartend, etc. just to eat. If I blame anyone it's the music industry that has forced musicians into this state.
John you do a very good job balancing all aspects and I've never felt you had a hidden agenda. That is most important. Guthrie is an amazing player and has strong opinions that are valid. He also friggin' plays with Billy Gibbons and could pick up the phone and have a gig in Nashville anytime he wanted. If I read between the lines GT is expressing a desire for guitar players to get away form their RUclips watching and get back to what really matters and that is performing in front of an audience and writing music. You may be able to play Cliff's of Dover sitting in your bedroom. But can you show up at gig where the PA system is garbage, the monitors don't work, the bar staff is tired and rude, the club/bar owner isn't even there, but there is a crowd looking for a good time. Can you be a true professional and own the room. I bet 95% of RUclips guitar player's would not know how to handle that because they don't perform. That is where I feel GT is coming from maybe.
Good luck to you and I look forward to future "RUclips Guitar Player" videos.
I don’t think he meant “now go get rich making music!” He just meant get back to bands in clubs touring together and making music, being what things should be geared towards, because making music is supposed to be the goal.
The RUclips creators certainly learned one thing, when you get a following and heart or comment occasionally in the comment section and random people will pay for them to have a life they never thought they’d have.
Eric Haugen is my favourite. I'm on his Patreon. He's such good value and a very chill & bright dude. He speaks my musical language.
Eric is all about getting back to the music, and I have to say I love the playing in your uploads!
I'm surprised you don't do any session work. I'd hire you :)
I really dig his channel too.
He has both a wide range of technical ability, as well as always mentioning the Hendrix hammer-ons and other techniques, even within more technically challenging stuff.
He’s a good teacher.
@@CorbCorbin he certainly is a good teacher.
"Slow down and breathe" is a good mantra.
@@mattgilbert7347
That can be a lot about where one lives.
In Asheville,NC I realized that the people who handle booking for gigs and hiring studio musicians, aren’t often looking for the best for the job.
They all hire people they are friends with, that they believe gets them an in with another person and purposefully ignore folks from out of town.
It’s not everyone, and it’s not always malicious, or even someone who knows that they’re making a decision based on a friendship, over for an artist who paid a studio to record them.
They just don’t realize they aren’t recommending the best people.
There aren’t many studios in town, and it ends up making different artists, sound like they’ve just been copping one another’s sound.
There’s a new studio now, that have been doing things a bit differently, so hopefully things have changed since I was last living there.
I like Haugen too. The bonus is that if the guitar lesson isn't what you need at the time you can always admire the house plant's.
For those who try to become Successful YT Guitarist (Success in terms of high income), I just want to remind you of an old quote I got decades ago.
Success is just like pregnancy. Everybody congrats you, but no one knows how many times you've been f*cked....
Lol!!
John I love your channel and what you do. I think what you do is important because you stick to pretty much the same gear and you show how to get the most out of it. It’s rare that a guitar channel pushes the same pieces of gear to its maximum. Your music and playing is great too and I’d love to see more on Spotify!
I'd love to hear a new album, maybe you should do what Rabea does and just put out a collection of your favorite video intros you did through out the year on your gumroad, as the song says I'd have 5 on it.
I did release some stuff on Spotify in that kind of vein - but yeh I don't have much traction on that or energy to try pushing it!
@@johnnathancordy i use YT music so i just thought you only had 2 releases. regardless love your playing its what i tune in for, and lesson Mondays. keep up the great work my guy
@@johnnathancordy I really enjoy seven good days a year in Spotify. I'll have to get you to burn off a CD for me to put in the car! :)
Hey John, this and your other video today have made me really interested in a behind the scenes video of your workflow of recording your intros. Would that be something you could do? They sound so well produced and it amazes me that you can do that on a daily basis!
I have actually done that - if you search john cordy workflow or john cordy how i make my backing tracks, you should see a few videos!
Ah, great, found it. Actually very enlightening. Thanks. Definitely agree with Dan, what a flippin guitar player! :-)
I think Guthrie is spot on. Playing guitar within songs that have meaning and substance in front of an audience in the flesh is where the craft is. The rest is just licks in a vacuum. Great to share knowledge of course and work on chops, techniques etc but with no context, ie songs, it’s all pretty limited. The exchange between performer and listener within a live setting is everything and has nothing to do with the ‘music business’ you referenced which is just name dropping dribble. Guthrie is at the top of the chain now, can play in any setting and got there by doing an apprenticeship of 4hrs a night, 4 nights a week for 4 years. That is craft and what is sorely lacking these days. Playing in an ensemble and really listening to others, appreciating dynamics, sitting in a pocket.. these are musical skills that can’t be taught without playing live and are required to become a well rounded musician. All the best.
I think it's a nice idea but try releasing original music and see what happens. Just today Guthrie on his story posted something to the effect of "20 likes on original song - 2000 likes on a picture of the amp that recorded it".
In terms of "name-dropping dribble" , I'm not particularly sure what you're talking about. The mainstream music industry is about record labels, sync, performing rights societies, PR companies, managers and so on.
In any case, you've sort of missed the point of the video, which is trying to reconceptualise what "RUclips Guitarist" might even mean - and why it doesn't have to be a pejorative.
When you outlined your brushes with the ‘music industry’ you qualified them by associating them with various bands of supposed note. That is the dribble I’m referring to. It’s no secret that the shelf life of ‘signed’ bands or whatever metric you use to say a band is successfully in the ‘music industry’ today is tenuous at best. Coked out producers, money people, hangers-on.. just side notes.. they’re everywhere in society.
I think Guthrie’s stance is based on the fact it doesn’t really matter whether you’re signed, releasing music commercially, teaching, sharing, whatever; you can’t really be a complete musician without doing the live work. That’s where the magic is, the joy and the celebration. Also the biggest learning curve and development opportunity. It is also what the ‘music industry’ is. He plays live regularly at small bars with other musicians to entertain people and hone his craft for teaching, sessions etc.
Anybody playing guitar is a great thing and I respect your devotion and commitment to the craft. I just feel it’s worth exploring the notion of what a ‘RUclips’ guitarist is and what it might be lacking.
It is a strange and interesting time in the world evidenced by the fact that we can sometimes feel compelled to have conversations with strangers to reinforce our beliefs. I say dig deep, explore all the possibilities. Refine your skills, play along to records (remember that!), and then share your love with some like minded souls and take it out to entertain and create memories with people in the real world. Over and out. 😎
The less gear talk, the more playing and talking about playing, the more I watch. I honestly find all the gear stuff (in general) kind of toxic.
RUclips Guitarist saved many from the crazy Covid lockdowns
TRUE
Found this encouraging! Thanks for posting it. 10 years into posting to YT and I still feel insecure at times - mainly that I’m not doing it like all my RUclipsr heroes - almost all of whom are better at guitar & get more views than me. But this video helps me feel more confident. Thanks again!
It's become like another community I use to follow. Motovloggers. They claimed they got into for the hobby, but just turned it into, "look at me and the freebies I got to...review!" All I see anymore are people reviewing overpriced gear. The manufacturers use them as a mark, as they get a free piece of gear, and we all get the high prices that come from the exposure and review.
You tube is great for people like me. How else would I get to have teachers like Jake Ruch.
So John, A few years ago you made a video and I believe you were playing Jailbreak by Thin Lizzy. How do I find that video?
I like your playing, I'd be glad to hear more. Guthrie is about music, great player. I think he may want to hear more of your playing as well, it seems he gets inspired by many. The music industry sucks, has nothing to do with your creativity or mine. You know how it is, you have a bad or medeocre day, you plug in, you play, your day improves. My wife watches videos about sewing, you'd be amazed how many there are LOL. She loves it AND gets a lot of info out of them. I get alot out of your stuff as well as Guthrie, Beato, as well as many other subjects and people. Play on!Just subscibed :-)
The problem is that it's so hard to make a living with music alone unless you get lucky, or enjoy poverty (not that there's anything wrong with making $30-40k a year). I played close to 30 shows last year, but I made most of my income from teaching and educating. A 3 hour country set would pay about $200 per person. I jump over to RUclips and start teaching to a larger audience, I'm now making more money doing what I love. I hope someone sees my content and invites me to tour with them and it makes sense financially; however, I cannot control that. I live in a town that's oversaturated with hobbyist, so bars are expecting to pay pennies for live spotify. If there's another way than online, please show us. For us "RUclips Guitarist" look at bands like Polyphia, Plini, Intervals, etc. They built a platform online then leveraged it to play live. I believe this is the modern way and really puts power in our hands. The old guard is fighting it tooth and nail, but the changing of the guard is happening. Thank god for the changes because it allows us to have stable income and really do what we love for a living.
True, this is also particularly true if you live in either a competitive area, or somewhere like Devon in the UK where there's not a TON of live music stuff happening? I'd love to believe that in a different area maybe opportunities would have been different, but all things being what they are I'm pretty happy these days with ending up on RUclips doing what I love!
Hope you're doing well chap!
Your music at the top of each video is something I look forward too.
“The goal is the music”, for me, seems to miss the point. Music doesn’t exist in a vacuum. Music itself isn’t a goal. Music is an expression. Music is a recreation. Music is therapy. Etc. And just as there’s a lot that we get from music, there’s a lot that we put into it. And when it comes to goals, not everyone else’s goal needs to be the same as yours. Celebrate it all. Well…except for the disingenuous people out there. Ignore them.
That's a really good point. And if music was the goal - which music? Your own? Playing gigs with folks? Playing alone in a bedroom?
Amazing song in the beginning!
Wow! Beautiful phrasing and technique on that intro. I may be wrong but I would wager that based on the emotion and feeling in your playing, it can typically signal an above average singer. No? Don't know who you are as I came upon your channel by happenstance. Your experiences and spot-on content pulled me in and I couldn't have hit the subscribe button fast enough. Well done, mate! 👍
I was on board with it until "i dont see the difference between a lick lesson and an original song" but you got me back with "in terms of value". I think this is just another case of to vastly different relationships with the same craft in two different people that cause them not to understand each other. Guthrie Trapp has a sound. And he has committed that wholely to making his and other artists compositions & songs shine. Those original songs have value because people sing them. People who dont do what we do. People connect with those expiriences and dont have to play guitar to do it. That has value to everyone. And those of us who do it night after night understand that providing that catharsis two someone who is having a crap day is the point of music. Your value is to players who are trying to do what guthrie does. And it is not less valuable, even though its value has an indirect relationship to the point of music. I love the pieces that you play but i cant put you on when i drive out to Castroville tonight to do my Thursday gig. But i can put him on and rock out if i want. I think he sees the talent of people like you and wonders why it cant be enjoyed at a local pub every Wednesday, and why he cant hear whats going on your head musically when hes on the way to a gig. My wife cant listen to your music (afore mentioned bands excluded)on the way to work. But as someone who has never cared about anything but writing songs and playing them for people who has a daughter as well, i will find a way to make the money doing it live because i have songs and thats the point for me. i have also been the odd man out because im not down for the line of coke and related things, but i go out do the thing because making music in a public place destroys the boundries that inherently exist between different people. It has the power to create relationships that the bigoted say should not exist. Live music is the only thing I have ever seen that destroyed bigotry in inherently prejiduced people. And ive seen that multiple times and am the most proud that, twice, i have been the catalyst for those moments. There is a difference between teaching licks, and original songs, and that is it. And guys like you are part of that because you make the live players better by teaching them. I know the response would be: players similarly armed with knowledge will be able to cross the same boundries. you do that and your power to do that is limited to players only. Music exists for everyone, not just players, and Gutherie's power to make those moments that break down walls does not stop with musicians. I read guthrie's statement and see his point. I watch your video, a video from an amazing player and teacher, who works in the most profitable part of the M.I. industry right now (i understand RUclipsrs dont make truckloads of cash): music education, and i hear a little bit of an ego bruise. He doesn't have a problem saying that because he's proud of what he does. I'm looking at someone who does something amazing for a living, and does it well, who clearly made the right decision for his family, which is something to be proud of. Yet, the sort of conclusions your coming to speak of a professional insecurity. It makes me wonder if you have the same pride for what you have done. I love your channel and the work you do. And it is clear by the quality of your content that you take pride in what you do. But are you proud of the path you have walked? And if so, why did this get to you?
Put simply you're a guitar teacher where your platform is social media rather than a school. You're doing nothing different than my teacher did for me 30 years ago…you just do it online.
Uh, difficult topic. Guthrie is a great musician, a true master. But shouldn't it be about everyone contributing something to the big picture?
Everyone has their place and their right in this big internet: The equipment nerds, the lick-choppers, the posers, the studio rats, the true teachers, the old masters who are only now discovering RUclips...
Perhaps we shouldn't form opinions so often, but simply enjoy what we have. And everyone can take away what they like or what they can benefit from.
This topic is as old as recording itself. “Real” musicians only played live. Those new guys were just “recording” musicians. Then TV- they’re just a TV musician.
Judging the distribution channel just means you think old and are mad you’re not capitalizing on the new. That’s it.
You missed Guthrie’s point by a country mile and instead opted to make your own point. That’s fine but it’s a weird thing to do when you’re addressing someone specifically. That’s why he (appeared) frustrated with your video.
The question is: is it *for* the craft or is it *for* RUclips. I think we both know what that means. It’s fine that you hustle pedals or whatever for revenue - that’s your right - but that’s definitively *for* RUclips. Make your peace with that and it’s all good. No worries.
I think jealousy seeps in eventually watching these people play FREE pedals.there are a few I like alot Shawn tubbs,Brett kingman,Tim pierce and one other guy I can't recall his name.But this dude needs to accept HE IS PART OF ALL.What I hate is taking a new player and stuffing them down our throats till you can't stand them and their new artists.I.E.Grace Bowers.Jesus give us a break already....many many great unknowns out there.GO FIND THEM.
There’s always a gatekeeper! Saying something has to be this way or it’s not real bla bla. You have to be a gigging musician to be a real musician! Says who?
I am a RUclips taught guitarist! What does that make me?
Just do what you love and what works for you.
I have played live a handful of times never been paid 😂 self funded three albums with my wife and friends and no one will ever listen, will definitely think it’s crap BUT it’s ours , we created it and that’s the gift of music no one owns it all controls it or can tell others how to do it
Great videos as usual, I love your guitar playing but equally your musings 😂 that’s the beauty of RUclips and if it wasn’t for RUclips I wouldn’t even know who Guthrie was so he should be a little thankful for it???
John, please remember, you bring a lot of joy to us all. You share your expression, experience and talent with us, in a way we could not otherwise experience in real world gigs. You are a teacher, a minstrel, and a humble, creative spirit. Please continue to create and live this dream that platforms such as RUclips can provide. We are all grateful for your sharing it all with us.
Guthrie has a good point. He’s also one of the very few guitarists who had one of the if not THE most challenging mileage building gigs in the Don Kelley band. After playing out professionally 200 gigs a year for 20 years i think ‘mileage’ is really one of the most important aspects of being a ‘musician’. Playing with other people, traveling, life on the road, listening to great musicians on stage with you, adapting to other personalities etc. things you just can’t get from shredding over backing tracks and doing multiple takes to get the right one and then posting the best one on social media. Its all the embarrassing moments and mistakes in front of crowds that really forge your soul as a musician. Now there’s nothing wrong with going where you have to go to make a living but i think he just wants to remind everyone of the missing aspect in a lot of these ‘youtube guitarists’. And also reiterate the importance of ‘mileage’. Just my 1 1/2 cents ☺️👊🏼
I like how you have articulated the point around "mileage' and I agree to a certain extent. At the same time, do we not have to consider the realities of life - some of us are fortunate to have access to bands, venues, opportunities to gig and tour regularly, others don't. Throw in the chaos caused by the pandemic and the fact that gigs/venues stopped overnight and the correction to live music has only just come back into balance. Add to that the reality of making ends meat, supporting your family etc and its not easy (and often not even a choice) to be able to make that lifestyle work for a large proportion of those who'd like to.
@@timcordenfor sure. All good points. I was only trying to expand on the nuance of Guthrie’s point or how i took the gist of his comment. And it was a generalization he was making. I have also had this perception with SOME ‘youtube guitarists’ no all or even a majority. I do believe however that even if it isn’t reality or possible for some people it is very much to their benefit to also have all the experiences i listed for them to be a well rounded PERSON as well as musician. Both worlds can be great and have many benefits but i do think there is something lacking in some cases if you don’t have the benefit of ‘mileage’. Cheers!
Who is guthrie trapp??
Beautifully put mate.
Totally agree. We’ve probably all had someone accuse us of not being real guitarists, but even if we weren’t, who cares?
As Eddie put it: “if it sounds good, it is good” 🎸🤘😎
As someone who's RUclips is just me playing, improvisation mostly, I get 3 views per video on average. No one cares. Because who the hell am I? That's why RUclips guitarists rely on being vocal & a personality. I mean....that's literally everyone's RUclips. That's the medium of the platform. That's why you watch RUclips.
There's also a bit and maybe this is just me but, guitar RUclips is what guitar magazines used to be. And as I remember magazines the vast majority was tuition, tablature, gear reviews, rig/gear rundowns & advertisements making up 80-90% of each issue. A record/artist retrospective (usually containing gear rundowns and/or tuition/tablature), occasionally a cover story about an already established artists new album, and a handful of 30-50 word blurbs about a new band making up the other 10-20%. Guitar magazines weren't about music either. Why would the modernized version be any different.
In my experience, it took a lot of uploading before things got anywhere - I used to upload a lot of jazz stuff that didn't really get watched. And good point on the guitar magazines - an example I was thinking of around this is Guthrie Govan - who sort of took off when RUclips became a thing and was able to transcend the magazines and shift into a full time career as a gigging guitarist!
@@johnnathancordy It's all a bit of a "video killed the radio Star" thing. Phil X, Greg Koch, Rob Chapman, Ola, Rabea, Chris Buck etc. all killer musicians, all able to make their music because of RUclips. Exactly as you said it takes a lot before it catches on. But eventually, as long as the guitarist's driven to make original music, people will listen to the music.
John I think you have a good understand of what makes it tick. You be you - I love your arrangements, playing and your smart and have a good sense a humor …. Enjoy your content and hope you stay on course
My favourite part is when you start juggling. 5:15
*Question* - Let’s say John Doe, RUclipsr, sucks at guitar.
He can’t play live and has to stitch together 5 takes of ‘Mary Had a Little Lamb’… the lullaby. BUT he’s extremely good at connecting with beginners who love him! 🐑🎸🤩
Should he-
A. Tell his viewers he sucks and make videos on ‘beginner shortcuts’?
B. Fake it and focus on his God given teaching abilities to help beginners learn things beyond his own skill level?
Bonus- Is John Doe a guitarist or an influencer?
Do whatever you want . That’s the point.
But. I’m old enough to had played since the late 80s and the 90.. I played almost every night. And got payed more than now. That’s why I’m teaching. In my time, The WHOLE POINT was exclusively to play music. Yes we talked about gear and we borrowed from each other’s. It was more solidarity and empathy. Tho it was hard of course.
But now I only see music as gear, and that saddens me deeply.
You play your ass off. But most of so called guitar RUclipsrs can’t even f..n play.
I may be a caveman. But is not making music the WHOLE POINT??
In western world we have this insane concept of Success. Money , a pimp of a manager….(which mostly all are😂)
Being able to do your thing, the music you want to play, no matter others opinion about it is at least my concept of Success. It’s not as economically profitable but much more fulfilling than play in a band where you have to play the same music every night.
I can understand the younger generations and making the decision of making a RUclips channel because sadly there are not many more places to play anymore . And the money is terribly offensive. But this is also our or their own fault , for conforming and not protesting when it was time to do so when clubs, festivals etc… started to pay peanuts. Even famous guitarist have to teach or endorse to make a living.
Or doing long tours at 70 years old when they should being able to afford to live more comfortably if they wanted it.
In summary, write music. As much as you can.
It’s ok to share licks and stuff, but at the end of the day the whole point of music is making Music. And try to change the ethereal ideal of Success.
Peace ✌🏼
I hit the subscribe button on most everyone that has something i'm interested in learning could a one time thing or I could become a regular viewer. I joined your Patreon cause I liked the pentatonic stuff you have and the exercises. I aspire to being able to play as well as you one day. Thanks
He has a point about that, the ultimate goal, should be making music.
But, let me explain, because I agree with 100% of your points you listed.
It was and it's still really hard to make a living out of music. Not just being a guitarist, but all instruments. I don't think I have to explain all the things about Spotify etc. All music lovers know that I hope.
The Internet has made possible to make a decent living in 2020, not following the ' good old days of the 70 80 '. I discovered lots of excellent musicians thanks to RUclips.
Pete Thorn, Ola Englund, Josh Lee Turner, Eric Haugen, Rabea Massad, Chris Buck, Ross Campbell. Ross was really inspiring during the lockdown, because at that time I totally lost interest about the Electric Guitar. I was only playing the Acoustic Guitar.
All of them they're still making original music, but at the same time, everyone has to pay the rent, so that's why there are lots of videos about gear or other stuff.
I don't personally enjoy videos about gear anymore, but that's just me. And I think that's almost the same as listening to different records. I don't listen to prog music as much as I used to. Videos can be a form of art too.
What I would like to ask is: If you have to pick between playing in a obscure venue for rubbish money when you can actually make the same amount without having to travel miles, just staying home, spending less time and stress, which one would you pick?
If you were in your 18-30, probably the first. But when you're adult, you have a family to look after, I don't think that the answer would be the same. Times times they are a changin.
There's less money in live music unless you're a really established artist. I also remember a post from Mateus Asato sharing a conversation with a guitarist about the pay after playing in a arena.
' RUclipsrs ' are as good as ' real musicians ', period. We need to change the view of ' you're a musician just because you play live and you make records '. You can do both. And everyone has to pay the rent. You want me to play live? Good, start buying the record and not streaming it. Start directly support the artist. Start with asking a fair payment also for the artist. The artist is offering you a service. Don't take it for granted!
Whoa, whoa, whoa! "Probably if you're interested in guitars [...] there's going to be a bunch of pop music out there which has nothing to do with what you're interested in." I don't listen to a lot of pop music, admittedly (it depends what kind of phase I'm going through; although Taylor Swift and Shakira did place quite highly in my Spotify Wrapped thingo, so make of that what you will) but I don't listen to music on the basis of whether it prominently features guitars. Guitars are a means to an end, and quite a few of my favourite bands either don't use guitars at all or use them very sparingly. The only reasons why I'd choose to pick up a guitar over some other instrument is (a) I just feel like playing it or (b) I feel that what I'm composing could benefit from is additional guitar.
(And Rick Beato's 'reaction videos' to popular culture are easily the worst part of his channel's output.)
The music business only sees the industry in terms of revenue...whereas the musician sees it from the creative side.... I think there are UTube channels that focus strictly on teaching and not on products..and there are channels that focus on demos of products and then there are channels that focus on a little bit of everything such as yours John. I have to say I agree with Tim Lerch below. I only watch a few channels, yours is one John...but outside of a few, UTube is absolutely flooded with videos .
Not even going to watch this video just going to let you guys know why RUclips guitarists suck, it's the same reason that the 80s and 90s virtuosos sucked and still do.... are you ready for it?...... are you sure you really want this information that will ruin guitar for you forever?....... RUclips guitarist and virtuoso guitarists and 95% of anything that has palm muting in it is garbage because they cannot write a song, and when I say song I mean knowing when something is good knowing when something is catchy knowing when something is emotionally provocative. Once that Epiphany hits you and you act like the universe is Conduit through your guitar, you work on that one thing all night maybe two nights until it's perfected, that thing that is quality that you feel like represents you, is now good enough to be in an arrangement of a song, not a 20-minute jazz fusion jamfest, not an 8-minute to all song that is just garbage until it leads up to this 10-second part , it's not the concept of your next album that nobody's going to listen to . It's one little measure in a song, maybe it's a bar, maybe it's good enough to be the verse, maybe it's kind of quirky and should just be an intro . I call that art sacrifice. I just taught you how to make timeless music. If you read this this far and it makes sense to you I'm sorry I didn't write more. If you read this far then you should probably go get a midi beat pad or find other ways that you can express yourself
RUclips = Dull redundant playing = no songs= everything is forgotten instantly, somebody can make RUclips vids for 10 yrs and not even their subscribers can remember a single note of anything they played. That's not music.
As an ol' grumpy guitar player of 50 years, I can attest to one thing, many of the young guitar players I know (not for long) are more interested in promoting their ego, than anything remotely creative. I remember trying to meet up with guitar players in a new town by advertising an ad for jamming partners. I'll never forget meeting up this 30 year old Hendrix wannabe whomtold me he'd been playing for a few months and wanted to form a band to go on the road and play his songs ;)!! Honestly, it was comical. Finished my pint and left within 15 minutes of sheer boredom listening to this ego maniac. I'm sure there are some humble young dudes out there who one day will record heart moving songs, but so far, no luck. I'll just continue to play my gigs for my fan base that consists of one. My sweetie and my gig is in my kitchen most nights ;)
I’m making a Saturday afternoon PB&J and just hear, “A manager who it turns out…really liked cocaine.” 😂
Who wouldn’t love dealing with a perpetually coked up manager?
This whole topic can be summed up in a video... where Tim Henson of Polyphia got on stage with Steve Vai to jam and couldn't even get through 12 bar blues without sounding like someone with no fingertips tried to play the Blues scale with their knee caps with full distortion on... lol
And I love what he's done and his style of playing, but YT guitar players are fooling the world into thinking they are actually players when they are niche at best. Someone like Guthrie Govan is a unicorn and should be studied for how well rounded and seasoned he is so YT guitar players can aim to also be that diverse.
“ I get asked to play at NAMM the answer is no I have a daughter.” 😂 Respect. Don’t know if you’ve done this yet but definitely talk about being a guitarist and a Parent. Appreciate your perspective.
We need to embrace the truth that most of the RUclips Guitarists are doing this as a job for living. Not everyone has a steady income to buy 5K USD guitar with the salary. Therefore, it‘s so natural that they are open to collaborate with guitar industry to own guitars/ amps and pedals for their main way of life. As JC said, we should support the ones that we like as much as we can so they can keep going.
I appreciate your thoughts, nicely explained!
Well no offense or to bust your bubble.. but you are on RUclips you know this right? You use it as a platform to show off whatever you are playing no matter your bedroom or studio. Just like I once did when RUclips was new and then closed it after a few thousand subscribers as I really did it out of a dare to post a video. I even though quit this platform can still be considered a RUclipsr because I am still on here. And you are an influencer as people watch your videos and you may or may not inspire them but either way YOU do influence. Let’s all agree with the language we decided on and the meaning of words we use. YOU are a RUclipsR & INFLUENCER otherwise you wouldn’t be getting subscribers and people sharing your videos.
I found your youtube channel while I was looking for legato ideas. I'm subscribed now! Great legato idea, really like ALL. I hope you like mine 🤟👍 thank you. Ps. I use my channel for post my track 🎧🎸💥🎹🎵 bye 🍻
Regarding a few comments about jazz: Jazz can be seen as difficult, elitist & self indulgent and soms of it is one or all of these. Like classical music there are popular pieces but most, non-musicians, can find some of it hard to understand. Some of it falls into the "the kings new clothes" realms and all that follows from that. Just create do your stuff, not contrived, and put it out there.
Ok, this is ridiculous, you are THE guitar RUclipsr of all RUclipsrs! No other channel exploits the algorithm to the degree that you have. It is what it is, not a bad thing or a good thing, just a fact.
Yeah, well was learning guitar decades before RUclips. Now THAT was a real problem. With all the choice now there really isn’t a problem.
I hear you John, but I have a thought. Which is, something must drive you. A dream usually. I think there is an album inside of you. I'd say do what you're doing but have that secret side where you devote a sliver of time to your dream. That might be the spur that pushes you ahead and takes you places.
You can place every YT guitarist in bucket A/B/C, unless they do it as one off, they are all doing it to sell something. Could be they are selling their music, gear, merch, or lessons because at the end of the day there are ads. There are ads everywhere, so call yourself an influencer or not everyone is selling something. It is just the nature of this beast.
One of the realizations that really changed my mindset and overall philosophy towards music is that popularity will never mean quality. If that’s the case then Justin Bieber and bad Bunny are two of the greatest artist to ever live in the history of human beings
3:39 to finally get to the point of the video! Need video marker that reads, "point of vid starts here". Clicked 'cause I thought it might be interesting. Lost interest and bailed.
Tbh what i dislike about most youtube guitarists is they feel the need to shove a solo in before they get to the actual video. I don't know if this just plays well with the algorithm, or its simply some self stroke show off, but it leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Its the worst when im trying to just watch a back track video to practice and they do it.
Im sick of a the gear reviews with sloppy "riffing" with over driven "tones". Alot of the amps and processors have a ton of other settings that are never touched upon. And guitars have other stings other than the low b and low e.
It's wild. We all practice to get good at our craft, but then we don't listen to our teachers' music. Nobody really cares about anyone's originals 😅
this is all wrong... people ,Guthrie is a real musician that got nothing to do with youtube world. like this video
I dislike when RUclips guitarists noodle for 14 minutes and spend the rest on a script that’s half a paragraph long
They can’t play in a band situation , stand up ? Add excitement , hold the guitar up and run around playing your licks on a stage instead of setting comfortably .
He’s got a point. The platform itself incentivizes constant content. If it’s constant it can only be so good. It’s not about labels it’s about artistic output and quality.
I think I'm probably using it to get a job I want to be in a band and I want to be in the music industry I'd really like to work for somebody that builds pedals
You've actually done some real work and create a product that people can hear outside of your bedroom and that's the difference between you and a few of the other guitar players on RUclips
I love Guthrie Trapp but he was probably drunk when he wrote that. Part of the reason i like him.