TheRezro if he were to say that only once or were to use exaggerated voices to say that, that would be one thing. But he didn't do that. He clearly makes a very obvious implication that Okami is a Zelda Occarina of Time clone and ripoff quite clearly. The first 30 seconds of the episode are on how clones have little identity of their own, and then goes right into Okami wondering how this rip-off holds up. If he was joking, he did a terrible job if making that apparent because he CONTINUES to do that through the whole episode
Yes, exactly! In fact, if you look at them any similarity is of a very minor and superficial sort. Okami is full of spiritual themes, natue, and the fall of man when he lives his life in violation to the natural order.
The whole video going on and on about Okami being a Clone and a Rip Off was a little.... annoying. Inspired sure, the producer said so himself, but semantics are important.
I love this game and it kills me to see him call it a copycat, it’s a beautiful made game with inspiration from another game, but Okami is in a league of its own
Its weird that Okami is called a clone, sure some of the mechanics are similar maybe, but Okami is a completely different game with different graphics, mechanics, and challenges.
As a massive, massive Zelda fan, especially 3D Zeldas, I do see the similarities, and appreciate them. But the game makes so many changes to the formula, especially in the combat department. And I completely agree, it’s silly to say a game is a “clone” just because it’s similar or takes inspiration from a certain series. As a bit of a side note I don’t really find “too many collectibles” a bad thing. But I’m the type of lunatic who collects every Korok seed in Botw and feels satisfied. I think it’s more of a mental problem then an opinion.
The funniest thing is that Okami beat out Twilight Princess for GOTY from some publication in their release year, goes to show how the "ripoff" stood up to the real thing despite poor sales
I COMPLETELY disagree about Orochi being defeated less than halfway through the game being a bad thing. Back in the PS2 days, I had played plenty of games that were about the length of the Orochi arch, so back then I legitimately thought I was nearing the end of the game at the time, and was completely blown away when I discovered that I was nowhere near the end of the game. Instead of the Avengers analogy, I'd say it'd be more like buying a VHS of Star Wars (now A New Hope) back when it released, and after finishing it discovering that both Empire Strikes Back AND Return of the Jedi were a thing and immediately followed on that VHS.
Awkward Silence I completely agree, the trailers and such made it seem like orochi was the final boss, but discovering that there were 2 entirely new places to explore made me extremely happy. I was eager to get my hands on a longer adventure game for a while now.
Same !!! I played this game back when I came out on the wii and i defeated orochi and realized i wasn’t done with the game I was like wtf ok? Blown away and the final parts of the game were in my opinion the best ones .
Well, to each his own. It is just after the starting tutorials he is nowhere as bad. And he actually goes through character development. (And he was pretty funny).
Issun is better than navi in that he actually acts as your voice most of the time instead of just telling you obvious things. The only annoying thing is the pervyness, which is uncomfortable at times
Can we not call games in the same genre clones? Calling something a clone should be done very very sparingly. Okami is a beautiful game that really doesn't have much in common except, ya know, being in the same genre. I was already annoyed by you calling digimon a clone, when neither started the mon genre, and have totally different inspirations. (hell Pokemon has taken a lot more from digimon now than vice versa) But to actually finish my point, it does a huge HUGE disservice to any game to call it a clone, there's a REASON why fps games aren't just called doom clones.
snidramon I agree completely. It's a bit irksome that he consistently called it a clone, even after mentioning how the developers proudly said that they took inspiration from Zelda. Just saying that it's an action/adventure RPG along the same lines as Zelda would've been fine.
TheRezro The problem with calling something a clone is that you are implying that the game you are playing has absolutely no identity of its own. If you opened up with "this is a Zelda Clone" even if you mean that in the best way possible to say "hey this is like Zelda, and Zelda is good" it REALLY devalues the merits of the original game itself because now the game has been reduced to having no identity of its own, and is just a "clone of Zelda," which it isn't. It just strips away all of the game's achievements.
Yeah, plus you don't even need to feed "every single animal" for the trophy. Just one of each type to fill in the log entry is enough. No need to have 100% for each unless you're super obsessed (or you're hosting a RUclips series about completing games). :P
The feeding minigame gives you exp also you can skip it really quick or stay and appreciate the scene, you choose (I'm talking with my experience with the wii version), and overall the game rewards you for taking care of nature which for me it's a really rewarding thing to do, so feeding every animal you see it's almost instinctive :D
When I played this as a 10 year old I had to watch Chuggaconroy's play through (just to help me find some mystery beads and a full watchthrough because I found him entertaining) just to figure this out. >_
redgiaeraser yeah, and that's inspiration, and that's fine. But the people who say that it's a copy and the only difference is that there's a wolf instead of a boy annoy me.
Nessie Senpai Overall yes I love Zelda more :) I would recommend both to friends. I do replay Zelda games more. But I'll always go back to Okami even just to listen to the music and flip through the artwork
Jirard...... Inspiration DOES NOT EQUAL ripping off! When you are in the same genre, there will of course be similarities. No idea is original, someone will have always done something first. It does not mean it is being ripped off or cloned, it means someone is expanding on the core idea and making something new. Whilst I enjoyed this video, I honestly expected you to not use such a loaded (and vastly incorrect) statement
I feel like a huge portion of this game is lost on western audiences. Every story beat, every character, legend, arc, they're all based on Japanese legend. Even the weapons come from a cultural background, the 3 Japanese royal regalia.
I'm not sure if i can agree with that. I feel more towards the other end: I feel like if anything, this would interest people more for Japanese legends. I don't really see how this would really be any different than a game like God of War which is pretty much all about myths that are not known to everyone either. I don't think you always have to know 100% of all the background knowledge of what you're playing to enjoy it, sometimes you learn to appreciate something because a game like Ookami catches your interest. So really, saying it's lost on someone just because they don't know the ins and outs of the knowledge behind it already is kind of shortsighted.
EskChan19 You are right, I just badly worded my sentiments, though I think it's more that if you didn't know about Japanese myths before, playing ōkami doesn't really help since there is nothing in game really explaining that it's culturally significant. Without background knowledge, the story is just a game story as opposed to a cultural masterpiece.
That might be, but i feel like at least the three great Kamis that are directly mentioned in the game would be enough of a common ground that everyone would notice. Kind of like even if you have no idea about Greek mythology anytime someone is called Zeus you will notice, even if you don't really understand the rest. But at the end of the day, even IF you didn't understand that at all, Okami still has a pretty good story in itself so even if you didn't see the cultural references, it would probably still be an enjoyable experience.
That's like saying the entire FPS genre is a copy of Wolfenstein 3D dude, come on... That's not how genre's work. Being inspired by another game is not the same as copying. This was a decent review but the constant repetition back to Zelda really, really hurt your overall point and made it seem like you'd rather be playing that series instead. Which is at odds with your generally favorable review towards the end. Okami isn't for everyone, but none of us came here to hear about how Zelda does 'x' better or Okami copied 'x' from it and it leaves the review rather lackluster as a result.
A lot of people point out that you can skip the feeding animations, but I also wanted to point out that you can't wait until you get the string of beads to do the demon gate trials, as you get beads from doing the demon gate trials. Also agree with pretty much everyone else here, that calling Okami a clone is basically like saying all platformers are Mario clones. Inspiration, sure, but hardly a clone. And the complaint of too many collectibles? There's not even that much, and you get most of them just playing the game normally. It has far fewer than many games that have come out even recently. This feels like a really unfair review, and surprising considering how much I usually agree with you.
Agreed that beads are fine, and yeah you get 80%+ through casual exploration and they're pretty neatly ordered by area/progress. Animal feeding takes a while to hunt down everyone, more than the animation. Fishing isn't great, but it's inoffensive at worst. So really not all that much crazy stuff- bestiary has the one missable demon, but demon fangs and bestiary completion are otherwise nothing too crazy.
@@gin9410He did say that the beads he didn't mind. 🤷♀️ I think it's more the fact that if you're not paying attention and miss something, especially the one demon from the Emperor section, the dog from Kamiki Village 100 years ago, etc. which are late game, you have to play the entire game again for those collectibles/trophies. I missed the demon and I'm close to the end and already feel done playing. I REALLY don't want to do a second playthrough because of how long the game is; I got other stuff to play and my work schedule doesn't allow a whole lot of free time. It's just really frustrating.
Okami is one of the most beautiful games I have played. Also, Okami takes inspiration from the LoZ series but is in no way a copy or clone. You...did actually play the game right?
Maybe he just used the wiki to know the exact numbers and used opinions from friends beacuse he said so many incoherent stuff (its a joke he probably beat the game but it didn't stop him from saying those dumb arguments and nitpicks which are even wrong sometimes)
Yeah, not feeling this review. There's too many nitpicks and comparisons to LOZ on Jirard's part, and I feel this review suffered for it. Here's hoping Jirard notices these criticisms and improves on them for the future.
Huh, I actually love the voices. It gives every character a personality. I also loved the story, as the adventure just kept going, and there were several times where I thought the game was over.
Rip off meaning it has no personality or identity that differs from the game that's "ripped off from"? beacuse if you mean that you are utterly and immensly wrong :D
i played okami blind and every time i thought the game was over something else happend, first orochi, then i thought the lord of darkness was Ninetails, but nope, lil fish was the big baddie
I cannot understand how a game which goes as deep into the Japanese lore as Okami does, creates a unique world, unique characters, unique atmosphere, unique music, unique art style, unique main mechanic like Okami does, can be degraded to be called a "clone"". It's insulting. I love Zelda, it's one of my favorite video game franchises of all time, but Okami has it beat in lore, world building and atmosphere (I may consider MM more atmospheric at times) imo. I call Zelda as a series epic and amazing, I call Okami a stand alone masterpiece of a game. But thats beside the point; thats just my opinion. Yes, Okami is clearly Zelda and mainly OoT INSPIRED, but there's a difference between being inspired by something and cloning something. They aren't even remotely close in anything but game structure. It sure was a struggle to finish this video because of the constant comparisons. If you play Zelda for the first time after Okami, I doubt you'd even think it's that similar in anything but, well, the gameplay structure. "Where's the Japanese flair? Where's the crazy over the top inappropriate jokes? Where's the option to talk to NCPs over and over and they keep telling you new things? Why am I a human? Where's the celestian brush? Why can't I jump? Why aren't there any beautiful nature awakening scenes? Cut off battle fields? Different main weapon choices? But oh hey there are dungeons and the items are kinda like the brush techniques, I feel like I'm playing the same game". Said no one ever. You shouldve been done with it after your first infuriating statement in the first minute so we could've at least enjoyed the rest of the review, but like this...
Makes sense, as a lot of its core mechanics ARE taken from zelda. The 13 brush techniques are okami's version of zelda items, you collect three stone fragments to increase your overall health, and there's a wealth of other smaller things it shares with Zelda. Plus Hideki Kamiya (the creator of the game) admitted he took a LOT of inspiration from Zelda when making the game. And when the creator admits it, you know its true.
This review over emphasizes Zelda. I don't feel like that's fair to Okami. It would be wrong to not mention the similarities at all, but it comes up in every other paragraph. You don't do this for other "clone" type games really. Did you feel like you had to push that out there to hedge some past criticisms? On my part, Zelda's world and aesthetics and protagonist never really interested me, but Okami's did, and I wouldn't call it a clone so much as put them in the same genre. The only thing that really got on my nerves was fighting the same bosses several times.
I think you brought up a lot of good points here, especially concerning the amount of collectables, however I feel you focused way to much in the idea of this game as a "zelda clone" I wish you would have looked into the story a bit more. A big part of the reason its story is structured the way it is, is because it's very heavily inspired by the shinto religion. To the point where the main character is named amaterasu. This may just be me but I think it's important to recognize when a game was inspired by something or follows a certain structure but still has it's own identity. To say this game is a clone, is to say all platformers are Mario brother's clones because they're platformers.
Man I usually love Jirard's videos but so many of his complaints were avoidable all together. It's not a magical brush that just comes out of thin air btw, it's Ammy tail. So many references missed because of the lack of knowledge of Japanese Mythology. This game is probably one of the major reasons I fell in love with other cultures and mythology.
I dont wanna be that person from the fan base. But I don't think you can call this game a rip off of OoT, or any zelda game for that matter. Inspired sure, but clearly its own free thinking, not money grab game. Comparing everything about this game to zelda is unfortunate. I hope he was able to enjoy the game and not just look down on it for not just being 'The Legend of Zelda:Okami' . This would be like saying every game over the years have all be rip offs of one another, and not free thinking. Similar games come out around the same time because thats what people want to see. Thats why we have so many games like pubG, or we had all those zombie, or every FPS is a rip of off one another.
Okami is my favorite game of all time. I love the visuals, story, music, characters, absolutely everything about it, and completing it multiple times never felt boring. I played Okami many times on the Wii to completion, so when Okami HD came out on PS4 with no sign of a Switch release at the time, I was more than ready to pick it up. I didn't go into it aiming for the Platinum trophy, but I ended up getting it accidentally on my first playthrough of Okami HD. I didn't realize I got it until I looked at the achievement list one day, out of curiosity. I breezed through the game fairly quickly, too. I completely disagree with you about the collectibles. Getting all of the Stray Beads, treasures, etc. feels as natural to me as breathing, and they never took away from the experience. The String of Beads makes it all more than worth it, too. Besides, you can sell the treasures you collect and the fish you catch for yen. So it's not like they serve no purpose when you collect them. It's also worth mentioning that you can skip the feeding animations, so you never did need to sit through the full cutscenes. Also, you needed to complete the Devil Gate Trials to get the stray beads. There's no possible way to clear them for the first time with the String of Beads during an initial playthrough. I will say, though, that you missed out on mentioning a few more missables aside from the Fire Doom Mirror. The fish you need to catch in Agata Forest _are_ missable. Once Kokari leaves the forest, you won't be able to catch them until you start a new playthrough. Another missable is a dog you need to feed, which is only found beyond the Spirit Gate. Once you beat Orochi after going through the Spirit Gate, you can't go through it again. There are a number of missable clovers, too. But those aren't as important as the Fire Doom Mirror, Agata Forest exclusive fish, and a dog.
There are also a missable treasures there as well and many of the battles there give a lot of money too. Some of the clovers are covered by steal rocks which need stage 2 of the slash cutting power. Agata forest fish can also be found at Sayan city aristocratic quarters. Benkei the traveling monk fishes there after you help him fish out the living sword found to be a large Cutlass fish and defeat blight. I love this game so much I would make alternate accounts to get the platinum trophy again. I did that for 5 times before getting the ps4 and pc version. I completed the pc version but sadly the ps4 plat crossed over to ps4 so I had to create an alt account to do it again.
Years late on this, but the fish in Agata aren't actually missable, as you can catch any (non-story required) fish you'd catch in Agata again in Sei'An City
What the hell is happening? I feel like I've never disagreed with Jirard more than on this video. Like, I feel like he nitpicks this game more than some games he actually disliked. And on top of that, most of these nitpicks are either wrong entirely, or preventable. And, he keeps saying that this game was a clone of Zelda when it looks NOTHING LIKE ZELDA GAMES. From formula, to method, to combat style...NONE OF IT. What the fuck is happening here?
Yeah I dunno. He was acting like a real douchebag in this video. Overly critical and just full of really stupid nitpicking. Makes no sense at all. Maybe his true self is coming out and it's a huge jerk, we just never knew.
It's weird, just because it's a Japanese culture focused game he harps on waaay too much of little things (preventable and incorrect in cases) and just kinda come off like a jerk.
I agree saying Okami is a Zelda rip-off is going too far, but 'nothing like Zelda games'? C'mon. I love Okami, and part of that is how much it reminds me of traditional Zelda games.
The celestial brush techniques are just like the songs in OoT even though theres only you know, not specific inputs that you need to press and it isnt required to do things like warp But yeah Its a clone Because it has dungeons, with puzzles!
Like I've said before: You cant copy a genre. You and many others act as if the game using Zelda as an INSPIRATION means it is a CLONE. Thats not what being inspired by something is. Just because something like Rivals of Aether is similar to Smash Brothers Melee does not mean its a clone, it means it is i n s p i r e d. It means its still a platform fighter, with similar mechanics but different ones to set it out and make it its own game
15:13 he didn’t even notice the “skip cutscene button”. (Stupid, pointless nitpicks about a great game that deserves more respect along with plenty of other hidden gems, that’s like hating breath of the wild for lack of fast travel points)
I didn't even know those animal cutscenes DID have an end, after it made a full 360 around the animal the first time I saw one I figured it was infinite and skipped them all immediately from then on.
(read caps on sentences with demonic voice) Don't you know? if its the same genre or its slightly inspired its instantly A FILTHY COPYCAT RIPOFF THAT HAS NO IDENTITY WHAT SO EVER that's why Zelda is just a kinda good FILTHY RIPOFF CLONE of Hydlide... a shitty NES game :D look it up hydlide's first realease and the original legend of zelda's first realease :D
iron knit Yeah like fifty different times in the same "review" honestly it's pretty ham fisted and just disrespectful to someone as influential to the games industry as Hideki Kamiya seeing as if it wasn't for him refining the DMC series I doubt games like God of War would've ever came into existence and we wouldn't have such amazing games as Bayonetta, MG:RR, and NieR Automata.
I find Okami to be more like say... A... I dunno, but not a clone. It's more like comparing The Flintstones to the Simpsons. They're similar in a couple ways, but massively different in others.
oh no, doubling down, made by capcom, your attacks are quick, strong and air attack. you fight masses of enemies, solve puzzles and complete a linear game killing more and more mythologically powerful foe, the camera distance is far. you degrade your enemies to gain points and buy time. rip them in half, have a tooth, pee on them for even more, okami is dog of war!!!
Its not a ripoff or a clone at all. is and check this out beacuse this is going to BLOW your mind... (the same genre) WHAAAT yeah if that werent the case zelda would just be a "pff a kinda good clone of HYDLIDE"
I know that animal feeding is tedious, but did you just completely forget about the fact that you can skip the cut-scene; the button to skip it is even shown on screen in this video.
Link 918 I never got sick of watching those cute animations of different animals eating, but yeah, if it becomes repetitive or annoys you, you can just skip it
"Then you have to watch them eat it." Dude. The instruction to skip is literally RIGHT THERE on the screen as you're saying this 😆😆🤣 I watched this animation a grand total of two times and skipped it every time after that. Also, getting the String of Beads first and THEN completing the Devil's trials is not possible, since the trials give you stray beads. But the trials are really no problem at all if you stack up on items beforehand.
Really appreciating this finally getting your coverage, now it got its remasters. Not gonna lie, though, I know it's not an uncommon complaint, the speech noises from the NPCs, but.. I kinda like it. Always figured it gave them character
yes, I agree. also, if you listen closely you'll notice that they are Japanese dialogues that have been distorted. I find them oddly relaxing at times, or funny. and they give a light-hearted tone to it, as much as the aeshetic does. it's like a legend being told, it's a bit overworldly and surreal, so regular voices wouldn't have given them the right feel.
Correction. As far as I'm aware Digimon was not about collecting the monsters in either the games or the anime. AND it was inspired MOSTLY from Tomogachi and was not technically copying Pokemon. Maybe the toys, but you could say that about ANY kids franchise. If you're going to feature a graphic, make sure that you get that part right.
+Xell Except it was, they just went about it in a different way. And only the FIRST game used the Tamagochi mechanics that Digimon was based of, every other game didn't. Hell, Digimon World 2007(Or Digimon World 3) was a mix between Final Fantasy, Digimon and Pokemon, including aspects from all three of these franchises i mentioned. Unlike Pokemon, Digimon likes to experiment with genres, one game actually being a dungeon crawler. But at their heart they are all about collecting and training more Digimon
Ashuraman "As far as I'm aware". Just wanted to point that out before I continued. That being said, from what I can find from looking into it, that seems to be the ONLY one that focuses on that. If I'm not mistaken, shouldn't it be the whole series that does it? Also, that's not really "a different way". "A different way" would be if you gained partners or gave NPC partners the monster you caught or if you befriended them and they just helped you occasionally. If you can capture, change out, and raise/train monsters that's pretty much the exact same thing as Pokemon. Also, I'm not the only one who agrees. I have friends who were far more into Digimon than I ever was saying right now to me that they focused on ONE Digimon partner and not as much training, trading, and switching out that partner for new ones you could raise just as much as that one Digimon. That being said, you clearly haven't looked too much into the Pokemon franchise to realize there are games that there are games that experiment with genres. Not all of them are good, or even all that "experimental" (and some are spin offs that really lose what the whole concept of the game was about and what genre it is), but they do have the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon series which is a hybrid of Pokemon and a rogue like, and that was started before the rogue like craze really took off. (and honestly, has better gameplay than the main series imo, aside from one game in that series). And the other game that really experiments is the Pokemon X Nobunaga's Ambition crossover Pokemon Conquest (which despite its weird concept, was really solid but repetitive) which was a strategy game crossed with Pokemon. They don't do it with the main series, but they do allow experimentation for spin-offs.
+Xell Nope, only the very first game, the one on ps1, does it. Why? Because Digimon has evolved FAR beyond it's origin. It's not longer a simple tamagochi look alike/clone, it's much more than that now. Hence why only the first game focused on that with only having one monster, having to raise it, take it to the bathroom, feed it, etc etc. there was a remake of that first game and even a sequel to the remake that also focus on that mechanic but that's it See i say in a different way because you don't exactly CAPTURE them per se. Every game does this differently. For example the aforementioned Digimon World 3 lets you have only 3 Digimon in your party BUT each mon has several different Digivolutions, depending on how you train their stats. You CAN gain other mons besides the 3 you start with and that involves quests with NPCs and even then you don't capture them so much as...clone them from their DNA. Weird i know. The latest games on the other hand, have you collect data from Digimon you fight and when you have enough data you can create a sort of copy of that mon, since they are just data in the first place. As far as i remember, the only game where you actually "capture"(or befriend really) monsters is Digimon World 2, the aforementioned dungeon crawler. Here's the thing about Pokemon though: Those games that DO experiment with the format? All spin offs/side series. The main series has remained the same for years safe for a few additions/changes. The core concept remains the same. Digimon on the other hand has no spin offs. every game can be counted as a main series game(maybe except one or two like the fighting ones that spawned sequels of their own) and they are all different. Sure they are all RPGs at heart BUT they all play very differently from one another. As for your friends saying that the focus is on one partner, again, that's just the FIRST game. All of the others? You have an entire party of them, with more than one in the field at a time(Not Digimon World 3 though, that one you only have one out at a time but even in that if you focus on just ONE partner you're screwed)
Ashuraman But the series is more than just the games. The anime also fits in there. And from what Ive seen of the old anime and an episode I spied from my younger cousin catching an episode of a newer series, that’s pretty much remained the same. (Although, I can’t complain there). As for the capturing, bringing back the PMD games and another clone I remember seeing, they too did something similar where you combined the monsters to get better ones, and the PMD games do befriending. Either way, it’s still the same base mechanics. You fight monsters to get better ones, you obtain new ones in some way, you train those ones through fighting. I don’t disagree on Pokémon’s main series being pretty playing it safe and similar in gameplay. But that wasn’t what I was arguing. What you said was “the games don’t experiment with genres.” Not “they don’t adapt from the success of experimentation or change things up to keep them fresh.” If you had said that I would have 100% agreed and never brought up the point.
+ Ashuraman So the game you say is a remake of the first Digimon World, where you have the one partner and raise it like the Digimon Virtual Pet, isn't a remake. It's an entirely new game that is similarly structured, but with a different set of characters and different story. So right there it kinda defeats your argument that there's only been one game like that, though it is still a very small amount of them.
Honestly, this deserves a better legacy. This is NOT a Zelda clone. Same genre, yes, but nothing is really the same about them. Okami is an inspired game, yes, but everything in it makes it stand out. This isn't a copy and shouldn't be classified as one. This game has unique graphics, gameplay, and overall feel.
Lets list a few things. Combat: not like Zelda Art style: not like Zelda Characters: not like Zelda Story: not like Zelda World: not like Zelda Dialogue: not like Zelda Side quests: somewhat like Zelda? Minigames: not like Zelda Collectibles: not like Zelda Powers: the only powers that are like Zelda are too generic to attribute to Zelda. Usage is not like Zelda Can someone explain to me how this game is in any way a Zelda clone? Because I don't see it. Just because it is inspired by Zelda does not make it a Zelda clone.
Rendom Stranger I would say it's inspired by. Zelda as the designer has admitted but in no way a Zelda clone. Also I hate to admit it, but I think the music is better than any Zelda game too and many Zelda games have great music! Okami's music is at another level
Hepwo91222 Was there even any doubt that the music is better than the music in any Zelda game? Because to me, there isn't. The thank you version of reset for example has been my favourite song for years at this point. No other song has even come close.
Rendom Stranger just the progression formula. Traverse overworld, find way into dungeon, get new power, finish dungeon, move on. But I feel that's pretty indicative of the whole genre. Maybe since both games have a silent protagonist accompanied by a pixie?
Rendom Stranger Zelda games have some of my favorite music in videogames ever and they have a back catalog of like 20 games. Okami and Okamiden is it and both games have insanely good music. My fave are Thank You (Reset), The Sun Rises, The Orca Theme. Okami is one of only two games that I imported the soundtrack from Japan (other is Xenoblade Chronicles 1)
The problem with calling something a Legend of Zelda clone is that, at best, 3 games in that series (namely, the first one, The Adventure of Link and Majora's Mask) are original enough that you can clone them and it's not just taking inspiration from all the other games in that genre. Okami was certainly inspired by Zelda, but most Zelda games copied at least as much as Okami, which has a distinct combat system, the Celestial Brush and the heavy influences from Japanese mythology and sumi-e. In short, I consider it far more original than almost all Zelda games. Fite me.
" The way the characters talk is annoying! It should be more like Zelda!" > BUT LOVES BANJO KAZOOIE / HAS NO PROBLEMS WITH HOW THEY TALK Boi. . . pick. . . yo. . battles. >: |
Honestly, Calling this game a Zelda copycat is pretty much the same as saying that X platformer is a Mario copycat. It's the same genre, so there will be similarities. Many of them. *Many.* But that's just me nitpicking the video. Amazing work as always.
Nieru No, he said he was INSPIRED by the Zelda series. Taking ideas that it did and putting it's own unique spin on it. There is a small but very important difference between inspired and copied.
I must disagree with Jirard's insistence on calling Okami a Zelda clone. Yes, it takes inspiration from Zelda, but it does more than enough differently to be it's own thing, from the brush techniques, combat mechanics, and general controls to the emphasis on Japanese mythology, religion, and art. It's like calling Borderlands a Golden Eye 007 clone because you go places and shoot things. I think the way he described the game and continuously referred back to Zelda in the review does a disservice to Okami, making it come off as a copycat that happened to be good, rather than the actual good game that it is. Also, the stray beads are definitely not like the Mario super stars. You collect them in different ways and they have very different purposes. I usually enjoy The Completionist videos, but this one just rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like Jirard was comparing everything in Okami to old Nintendo games, and it felt unwarranted. Like, a "rip off"? Really? That's just not the case.
You do realize that gathering brush techniques serves the same purpose as getting new items in zelda, right? Or that there are three sunstone pieces to collect to expand your health, or that there are dungeon maps to attain or the fact that you repeat bosses at some point just to show how strong you've become? It's more than surface level stuff.
tcrpgfan There are lots of other games that do that. Collecting new items/techniques to accomplish tasks/fight enemies you couldn’t before isn’t a copyright Zelda mechanic, and any good game would show you how to use the new ability/item after you get it in whatever way the game developers deem fit. Dungeon maps aren’t strictly for Zelda either, and most other games that have you collect and use them don’t get hit so hard for having them. In Okami there’s certain locations you can only reach when you have a dungeon map, which I can’t recall seeing in a Zelda game, and the Overworld map is already completed in Okami which is rare in a Zelda game (you usually have to fill those in by exploring). I see the inspiration absolutely, but I think there’s way more to Okami, and being a Zelda *clone* isn’t something I see.
Miguelwastaken It is the same genre. They will all have specific similarities. And the game is inspired by Zelda sure, but it is far away from being a clone. The combat system is completely different. Even in the similar elements like solving puzzles or getting through a dungeon, the verticality in Okami makes the approach pretty different.
Ok, people. From when being clone is something bad? Being rip off is, and you need specific level of insolence if not breaking the law for that. Okami just use same mechanic (chance a clone), but offer own style and merit so it is definitely a good clone. That is all about it.
Clone doesn't mean bad, it means a copy. Not necessairly bad. But being inspired from and being a clone is totally different. The game doesn't just have a different style, the game is just different in everything. It is like calling every RPG a clone of Dragon Quest, or Dragon Quest a clone of the PC rpgs it was inspired by. It just looks down on the game and makes it sound like a clone incomparable to the original, which is untrue. You wouldn't even make a relation to Zelda just playing the game normally, there are plenty of games like that. It isn't a clone trying to stand out by the art style, it is a game inspired by Zelda that stands on its own as a good game. And again, the gameplay mechanics are totally different.
TheRezro the problem with calling something a clone is within the implications. When you call something a clone you are essentially stripping away every single one of its merits that makes it a great game that definitely stands out on its own. Okami has an incredibly strong sense of it being its own thing, so when you say it's a Zelda clone, even if you INTEND for that to be a good thing (which he did say Okami was a Zelda ripoff but that's another story) it just isn't. If you said "similar to" or "inspired by" that's a different story because it means that's where it draws some parallels and inspiration to. Calling it clone means it is JUST legend of Zelda and nothing more. Inspired to would mean it has some Zelda Similarities but it still has its own identity. You see the difference yet?
How the hell is Okami a copycat/clone/rip off of Zelda? Because they're both Action Adventure RPGs? Seriously, what is the argument here? Because it took inspiration/ideas from Zelda? That's utter shiet.
Zelda isn't an RPG, just an action adventure game. The only two games in the Zelda series that are RPG's or have RPG elements are Zelda 2 and Breath of the Wild, and those aren't indicative of the entire franchise.
There are plenty of action adventure RPGs that isn't similar to Zelda. But basically, its' a Zelda-like, the same way you have a metroidvania subcategory (of which many are also action adventure RPGs which aren't derivative of Zelda)
@GunsouAfro "The only two games in the Zelda series that are RPG's or have RPG elements are Zelda 2 and Breath of the Wild" Not really.. even so called jRPG's are tactic-adventure games (called "Japanese RPG's" ironically due to use of similar style of gameplay). To be a RPG (what I remind is a simulation of party game) you need have character choices what define the genre. Only jRPG has something like that was Chrosno Trigger and even that only on surface level. If you want example of real aRPG check Witcher, and for best in classic original Fallout. But yeh.. console kids call everything RPG nowadays 0_0 edit: Yup, they aren't. First Zelda game honorary is called sometimes "aRPG", but only first as generally it created action-adventure genre.
Thank you for proving my point. Zelda isn't an RPG franchise, and the two titles I mentioned are the only two in the franchise that even have tiny elements of an RPG. Zelda 2 having a level up system, and breath of the wild having inventory management, and leveling up equipment. At the end of the day, they are not fully RPG's, and as such aren't RPG's.
i guess then god of war is also a filthy clone of zelda i mean it has combat.... and puzzle solving.... and dungeons.... and some exploring.... and sometimes Athena or Gaia talk to you telling you your goal so thats basically Navi or Fi and you save the princess beat the bad guy and get the triforce so thats basically saving your family in a halucination in the first game beating Ares and getting the throne of the god of war it has no identity what so ever right? just a simple zelda clone
I was so excited for him to review this game, but when I saw it, it disappointed me to see him really attach himself to the idea that Okami is a "Zelda rip-off". This game is a lot more than that.
Okami is a beautiful game when it came out originally for the PS4 it was wonderful I just bought it again the other day and beat it I love the game it's amazing and I would definitely recommend it
"it came out originally for the PS4" for the ps4 ? u wot mate ? Okami was first released in 2006 on the PS2 and 2008 on the Wii. The PS4 version is an HD remake Though...fuck yeah, Okami is G R E A T game, words can't actually describe how wonderful of a game it is.
I have never heard your version of the backstory for this game's development until you stated these things yourself. From what I have heard the original goal was to make a realistic looking game that was bright and colorful and not just dark and gritty. And the change to the visual style was in part due to his original vision being held back by the PS2's hardware limitations.
Honestly Jirard, I couldn't finish watching this video. I had watched it with my boyfriend because I wanted to show him how much of an awesome content creator you are. But in the end, we both got frustrated when you kept calling this masterpiece of a game a Zelda rip-off. I know that you're better than this, so why did you think this was in good enough shape to post? I just don't understand how you got rip-off out of inspired. Okami is a beautiful game with an intricate story and characters and magnificent settings. The combat is unique and kept things interesting and you didn't have to wait out your battles like you some times do in Zelda games. And don't think I'm letting that jab about Digimon being a clone of Pokemon slide either. I grew up with both shows and games for both series and they are vaguely similar but almost entirely different. If you and every other person who called it a clone actually sat down and played the games or even watched the shoes, you'd see that there is a big difference. I know that you're better than this Jirard and Okami deserves better than to be called a rip-off and clone. So next time, actually check to see if what your script writer typed up is true of not.
Mysterious Jojo I'm actually playing through that game right now and enjoying every second. Won't watch his video until I finish it even if he makes it though. Great recommendation!
...Except Okami's based off of Japanese Shinto Mythology and has 0 similarities to Zelda except it being in the same genre, so it's not a rip-off, but is confirmed to be inspired by it.
Michael Morgan ... I still question how Okami is a clone considering how original the game itself is art,characters,mechanics and story are all original
It's not a clone but it would be complete bullshit to imply it wasn't HEAVILY inspired by Zelda. Though it must've been awkward when mid-way through development they found out Twilight Princess would have wolf Link.
did anyone else get mad when he kept saying that its a copy of zelda, sure ideas came from things that existed at that time but it borderline imbecilic to say that it is a remake of zelda
I still get both super pumped and a little teary-eyed whenever I hear "The Sun Rises". It's just such a gorgeous song. I don't have words for how much I love this game. Even for an 'inspired-by Zelda' sort-of-not-really clone, it's got so much individuality and personality that it still feels very much like its own animal (heh heh). I love the art, the music (duh), the Celestial Brush techniques, the great balance of epic mythology and irreverent humor...and yes, everything about Amaterasu is adorable.
The graphics weren't inspired by wind waker. Someome from they team made a few concepts in that distinct japanese style and that's when they decided to use that style not only for the visuals, but for the gameplay too
Man i love you and your videos but, a game as beautiful as okami ISN'T a ripoff of something else, may be inspired but this game has a soul and a heart, this is a great game and also beautiful, never a ripoff
Thank you so much for completing this game. This has been my absolute favorite game since I first played it on the PS2. I don't think this game has ever gotten the respect it was due from the general public. Hopefully this will help expose many new gamers to this amazing game.
Not gonna lie your review on Okami totally missed the mark for me. First time I've actually pretty much disagreed with all your gripes right out of the gate.
I’m not sure why everyone dislikes Issun. I played this game before I ever played a Zelda game so I might be a little biased but he is a character in the game so I treat him as such. I’m experiencing his story just as much as I’m experiencing Ammys. His dialogue is humorous enough that for me it’s charming and cute and nothing compared to Navi, whereas that character is genuinely annoying at times because you don’t care about Navi as much, but you care about Issun because he has morales and emotions that you either agree or disagree with. NPCs directly notice Issun and talk with him because the game revolves around the two of them not just Ammy. He is an artist that struggles with fulfilling his destiny as someone who paints the gods and he finds that lame and stupid as some people would, by end game he realizes the importance of it and accepts it, God’s are important and all mortals including him should respect and care about that because it is important for the land and its vitality. I don’t know. Just my personal opinion, I know some people prefer Zelda over this but to me, I’ve never been a huge fan of Zelda and this has always been a game that is much more interesting in characters, story, and gameplay. Not to mention how fucking beautiful it is. Edit: and to be fair, when I played this game for the first time. Nothing. And I mean HONESTLY nothing in this game felt all together like a Zelda game. Sure you can make comparisons to it for being a 3rd person adventure game that is heavy in story and item pickups. But there has to be a line you draw where something is inspired by, and where something is blatantly copying from another material. This is not copying AT ALL. It’s like saying call of duty made the military shooter and battlefield copied from that. Zelda is not the end all be all of fucking 3rd person adventure games, just saying.
I'm sorry Jirard, but I heavily disagree to your view of the game. What you said is completely taken out of context. There's a clear distinction between being a Zelda clone/ripoff and being inspired by Zelda while doing it's own thing. The constant comparisons is giving a complete disservice to what this game sets out to be. Amateratsu and the rest are clearly based on Japanese Shinto mythology, and this game is a love letter to said mythology. Also Fyi, Digimon is not even a ripoff of Pokemon, that's a myth.
Animal feeding cutscene can be skipped by pressing sta-..... URGH RIGHT SIDE OF THE TOUCHPAD also... the demon gates give you a stray bead at the end... so no... you HAVE to do them before gaining the string of beads,... you can basically load up on holy bones and inkfinity stones if it proves too much though there's.... no real punishment for using them
Usually I tend to agree with your takes on games and enjoy watching you analyze aspects of games you enjoy or dislike to explain your stance but damn dude, this is the first time I can remember where I HEAVILY disagree with you. Calling Okami "just a rip-off of OOT" is massively disrespectful, and that's coming from someone who ranks the Zelda franchise among their favorites.
There’s a bunch of talk about him calling it a rip off of Zelda but the thing that most annoyed me was that he didn’t realize he could just skip the Animal Tome animations.
One thing I want to add is that this game is able to invoke emotions in ways that few other games have. If anyone is still on the fence about playing Okami after watching this, I say give it a try. The story may have a few points where it stumbles and there may be a part or two that haven't aged well, but at least play until you beat the first boss and watch/read through the cutscene following it. The main thread of the story may be "beat demons, save the world" but you'll hit so many other smaller threads as you go that you'll get an idea for what Okami has left in store by that point. And for anyone looking to do a less extreme version of completing Okami, I'd say that you can probably skip getting every last fish and treasure (except the Stray Beads). Aside from filling out their tomes, their only use is to be sold for extra spending money. Likewise, you don't have to feed every last animal either; all that does is get you more "experience points" which can be helpful early game but you'll get plenty from battles and side-quests anyway.
Okami is one of my favorite games ever and I personally didn't feel like beating Orochi in the middle of the game was a cheat or something. I was just delighted to see how much game there was still left. Glad to see you finally tackle this one, though! Thank you!
I knew if I scrolled through the chat, I'd find someone else who knew, or googled, this. (for the record, I googled it, because I was pretty sure it was Chinese because I thought it was a thousand Li journey). So, have my upvote for knowing the right thing.
Thank you for the upvote. I learned it years ago from an old cartoon called Histeria that I watched almost every day, so it's stuck in my head forever.
Many games take inspiration from other games, that's part of the game industry and evolution of video games. A rip-off is something that is almost exactly like the other game. If someone tells me that Okami is almost exactly as Zelda Wind Waker or Twilight princess, please, Nintendo doesn't own the idea of having a wolf as a playable character or even the art style Wind Waker uses. Allowing other studios to take inspiration of what makes one game good and use it in their own is what allows us to enjoy what we like in different art form.
I'd say there's more inspiration from A Link to the Past then OOT, but maybe that's just me. :P Either way, Okami stands as its own solidly, and I loved playing it on the PS2 and Wii. About to start playing it again on the PS4! :D
I love this game. And I loved how Orochi was the midpoint, it blew my mind back then. Suddenly I was kinda aimlessly exploring the land I saved, but something sinister was moving behind the shadows. The final battle was simply amazing to me. I think Yami is like Ultimecia from FFVIII, you never see it directly until the very end, but its presence is there during all the adventure.
Jirard, you really gotta stop referencing this to Oot and LoZ. Doing it a couple of times are fine, but honestly, you brought it up so many times, calling Okami a copy or a knock off, that it makes this whole review almost redundant. But, just about everyone else told you this. So hopefully in the future, you focus more on the game, instead of continuing to refer it to existing games.
Hey dude, I want your honest opinion on something. What do you think of this video now looking back on it? What are your thoughts on the points everyone in the comments brought up? I'm pretty curious on how/if your opinion has developed
My brother got this game and I could immediately tell it was based off of some Japanese mythology from the art style alone, hell a quick google search of the main character’s name brings up Japanese mythology. It’s like you saw it was made in Japan and was a Adventure Platformer so it has to be a Zelda clone, wtf? Was the only research you do on the game typing in ‘Okami LOZ clone’?
Hey Jirard, I meant to say this however many videos ago you started it, but I have to say I LOVE the new segment you have in the show where you create an actual checklist of what you'll need to do in order to complete the game. It's a really nice extra bit that adds a lot to your show, and I really enjoy it.
jirard, not to be mean but digimon didn't copy pokemon man, there's easy research that you can do to prove that, infact when the franchise begun they were really worried that the concept of digimon was different to other franchises, (for example in the art book of the 20th anniversary it shows early desings of digimon that were similar to how pokemon makes theirs, and they changed the format immediately) even so, the early name for the franchise was otokodoshi (because it was just a tamagoshi for kids), then they though about capsule zaurus, but knew that was similiar to the early name of another franchise so they desided on digitalmonsters, digimon. as it is known the concept of digimon isn't about capturing a lot of monsters (like pokemon) it's about the friendship you make taking care of your monster, fighting against others, and having an adventure. togheter as one, (like having a mascot, but here's is a wild creature). digimon have personalities, characteristics, emotions, etc. that was the concept they wanted since the beggining, and although some people think "oh digimon is just pokemon because they both finish in mon" or "digimon came after pokemon so it is a copy" (dumb comments seriously, at least think of something else than that xD), a lot of fans know what digimon is. digimon and pokemon are from the same genre "monsters" created by games like dragon quest and shin megami tensei, so pokemon wasn't the first doing it, in fact digimon was more worried about other franchises, there's this japanese game for example called "pocket saurus" that came 2 years before pokemon, does that mean pokemon or digimon copied pocket saurus?, of course not, but digimon at least took that game into consideration when making digimon. also anyone can see that digimon doesn't have limits like pokemon about what it can do, while pokemon are like the animal of the earth, anything can be a digimon, or something digital (because in the digital world there's more than just digimon, there's digi-enteties), same aplies from a story stand point, while you get different stories in anime, games, manga in digimon, in pokemon they're kinda bound to the present generation, where the anime just take place in the story from the game. you can easily so for example digimon cibersleuth and the new game that's comming out "digimon survive", cibersleuth was heavy in story and taking a lot of lore from the franchise, and the mechanics are from the digimon story games wich people really like, but now with digimon survive bandai decided to make something "new", with a story more complex, kinda like VN and with mechanics like final fintasy tactics or so, that kinda ressembles the old digimon games like digimon adventure anode/catode tamer from the wonderswan. anyways, sorry for all the talking, just letting you know this information and to anyone else who wants a serious comment on the debate digimon vs pokemon, the thing is, enjoy the things by how they're, don't always compare, specially if you don't know stuff to back up your comment. digimon and pokemon are great franchises by their own. great video anyways so yeah, sorry, this wasn't even a digimon related video, but i felt like telling this information because a lof of people think about digimon like this and it's not right. you could do a video on digimon story cibersleuth, that game will teach you a lot ;).
What is your favorite remake/remaster currently?
The Completionist Duke Nukem 3d because it is actually 3d
Persona 4 Golden nuff said
Crash nsane trilogy
The cell saga in 5 minutes sweeded ft. the completionist. what a great remake
Final Fantasy IX! :D
I feel like it's incredibly disingenuous to call Okami a rip-off....
Inspired, maybe, but rip-off? Really?
I think he say that as a joke, but what ever.
TheRezro if he were to say that only once or were to use exaggerated voices to say that, that would be one thing. But he didn't do that. He clearly makes a very obvious implication that Okami is a Zelda Occarina of Time clone and ripoff quite clearly. The first 30 seconds of the episode are on how clones have little identity of their own, and then goes right into Okami wondering how this rip-off holds up. If he was joking, he did a terrible job if making that apparent because he CONTINUES to do that through the whole episode
Yes, exactly! In fact, if you look at them any similarity is of a very minor and superficial sort.
Okami is full of spiritual themes, natue, and the fall of man when he lives his life in violation to the natural order.
I agree.
It's inspired not ripped off. A rip off would be like bubsy
Okami is the best Zelda game ever.
The whole video going on and on about Okami being a Clone and a Rip Off was a little.... annoying. Inspired sure, the producer said so himself, but semantics are important.
Good point.
I love this game and it kills me to see him call it a copycat, it’s a beautiful made game with inspiration from another game, but Okami is in a league of its own
Its weird that Okami is called a clone, sure some of the mechanics are similar maybe, but Okami is a completely different game with different graphics, mechanics, and challenges.
As a massive, massive Zelda fan, especially 3D Zeldas, I do see the similarities, and appreciate them. But the game makes so many changes to the formula, especially in the combat department. And I completely agree, it’s silly to say a game is a “clone” just because it’s similar or takes inspiration from a certain series.
As a bit of a side note I don’t really find “too many collectibles” a bad thing. But I’m the type of lunatic who collects every Korok seed in Botw and feels satisfied. I think it’s more of a mental problem then an opinion.
The funniest thing is that Okami beat out Twilight Princess for GOTY from some publication in their release year, goes to show how the "ripoff" stood up to the real thing despite poor sales
I COMPLETELY disagree about Orochi being defeated less than halfway through the game being a bad thing. Back in the PS2 days, I had played plenty of games that were about the length of the Orochi arch, so back then I legitimately thought I was nearing the end of the game at the time, and was completely blown away when I discovered that I was nowhere near the end of the game.
Instead of the Avengers analogy, I'd say it'd be more like buying a VHS of Star Wars (now A New Hope) back when it released, and after finishing it discovering that both Empire Strikes Back AND Return of the Jedi were a thing and immediately followed on that VHS.
Awkward Silence I completely agree, the trailers and such made it seem like orochi was the final boss, but discovering that there were 2 entirely new places to explore made me extremely happy. I was eager to get my hands on a longer adventure game for a while now.
Same !!! I played this game back when I came out on the wii and i defeated orochi and realized i wasn’t done with the game I was like wtf ok? Blown away and the final parts of the game were in my opinion the best ones .
Still, Okami just too damn long. It's a common criticism of the game. Even the intro is like a 40 minute long cutscene.
I agree 100 percent.
It gave so much more depth to the story.
@@whodatninja439 It's a more modern criticism as it was a highlight when I first played the game about a decade ago.
y-you know you can skip the animal feeding animations right?
I honestly didnt figure it out until near the end of the game....
Well that's a collective 30 minutes I'm not getting back.
Also, some scenes (or most) are skippable too... same way to skip the animal feeding animations...
When he first started complaining about that, the skip prompt was literally on-screen in the footage.
I always new that ever since I first played the game,I defeated Orochi and brought peace to Sei-an city
It is crazy that someone can say that Issun is more annoying than Navi.... Seriously... Issun was the heart of the game.
theweasly
“May her and her two bouncing friends rest in piece”
Tbh I think he's kinda annoying too
i know right
Well, to each his own. It is just after the starting tutorials he is nowhere as bad. And he actually goes through character development. (And he was pretty funny).
Issun is better than navi in that he actually acts as your voice most of the time instead of just telling you obvious things. The only annoying thing is the pervyness, which is uncomfortable at times
Can we not call games in the same genre clones? Calling something a clone should be done very very sparingly. Okami is a beautiful game that really doesn't have much in common except, ya know, being in the same genre. I was already annoyed by you calling digimon a clone, when neither started the mon genre, and have totally different inspirations. (hell Pokemon has taken a lot more from digimon now than vice versa) But to actually finish my point, it does a huge HUGE disservice to any game to call it a clone, there's a REASON why fps games aren't just called doom clones.
snidramon I agree completely. It's a bit irksome that he consistently called it a clone, even after mentioning how the developers proudly said that they took inspiration from Zelda. Just saying that it's an action/adventure RPG along the same lines as Zelda would've been fine.
Clone isn't offensive word people.. so pull sticks from asses. Though to avoid similar situations, yes, it should be used carefully.
TheRezro The problem with calling something a clone is that you are implying that the game you are playing has absolutely no identity of its own. If you opened up with "this is a Zelda Clone" even if you mean that in the best way possible to say "hey this is like Zelda, and Zelda is good" it REALLY devalues the merits of the original game itself because now the game has been reduced to having no identity of its own, and is just a "clone of Zelda," which it isn't. It just strips away all of the game's achievements.
But stardew valley IS a clone of Harvest moon. xD
@@TheRezro4 years late... but it has negative connotations
Jirard, I Love you...but you know you could've skipped the feeding animations right?
15:46 It even says it on the top right.
Sonicstriforce even the ps2 version let you skip it, when the ps2 version didn't let you skip the cutscenes like all other versions did.
Yeah, plus you don't even need to feed "every single animal" for the trophy. Just one of each type to fill in the log entry is enough. No need to have 100% for each unless you're super obsessed (or you're hosting a RUclips series about completing games). :P
Yeah, but then we wouldn’t have had that funny bit.
The feeding minigame gives you exp also you can skip it really quick or stay and appreciate the scene, you choose (I'm talking with my experience with the wii version), and overall the game rewards you for taking care of nature which for me it's a really rewarding thing to do, so feeding every animal you see it's almost instinctive :D
Well you see, the scene is pretty sure, but I kind of want to get back to beating up demons and drawing circles on trees, soo....
You do know that you can skip the animal eating animation right?
Considering it has a "skip" prompt... one can only hope.
You can it was wven there when he was talking about them
You just press the + button on the Switch, and then it pops up- press + again, and you can skip
KelpyART or the touch pad on the PS4.
When I played this as a 10 year old I had to watch Chuggaconroy's play through (just to help me find some mystery beads and a full watchthrough because I found him entertaining) just to figure this out. >_
The whole "Okami is a clone of OOT" gets on my nerves so badly -_-" there's a huge ass difference between ripping off and inspiration.
Nessie Senpai Well I agree but the creator DID say he took inspiration from Zelda
redgiaeraser yeah, and that's inspiration, and that's fine. But the people who say that it's a copy and the only difference is that there's a wolf instead of a boy annoy me.
Nessie Senpai 100% agree. They probably haven't played it. Plus Ammy has way more personality than OOT Link! AND CAN JUMP whenever she wants
redgiaeraser Yesss!! I love the Legend of Zelda, but I'd choose this over LOZ tbh. I love everything about Okami.
Nessie Senpai Overall yes I love Zelda more :) I would recommend both to friends. I do replay Zelda games more. But I'll always go back to Okami even just to listen to the music and flip through the artwork
Jirard......
Inspiration DOES NOT EQUAL ripping off!
When you are in the same genre, there will of course be similarities. No idea is original, someone will have always done something first. It does not mean it is being ripped off or cloned, it means someone is expanding on the core idea and making something new.
Whilst I enjoyed this video, I honestly expected you to not use such a loaded (and vastly incorrect) statement
I feel like a huge portion of this game is lost on western audiences. Every story beat, every character, legend, arc, they're all based on Japanese legend.
Even the weapons come from a cultural background, the 3 Japanese royal regalia.
I'm not sure if i can agree with that. I feel more towards the other end: I feel like if anything, this would interest people more for Japanese legends. I don't really see how this would really be any different than a game like God of War which is pretty much all about myths that are not known to everyone either. I don't think you always have to know 100% of all the background knowledge of what you're playing to enjoy it, sometimes you learn to appreciate something because a game like Ookami catches your interest.
So really, saying it's lost on someone just because they don't know the ins and outs of the knowledge behind it already is kind of shortsighted.
EskChan19 You are right, I just badly worded my sentiments, though I think it's more that if you didn't know about Japanese myths before, playing ōkami doesn't really help since there is nothing in game really explaining that it's culturally significant. Without background knowledge, the story is just a game story as opposed to a cultural masterpiece.
That might be, but i feel like at least the three great Kamis that are directly mentioned in the game would be enough of a common ground that everyone would notice. Kind of like even if you have no idea about Greek mythology anytime someone is called Zeus you will notice, even if you don't really understand the rest. But at the end of the day, even IF you didn't understand that at all, Okami still has a pretty good story in itself so even if you didn't see the cultural references, it would probably still be an enjoyable experience.
Maybe…But I do like learning about different mythologies. Seeing how very Japanese the game is, has me yearning to learn more.
I looked up some videos explaining the folk lore of different characters and I found it fascinating
That's like saying the entire FPS genre is a copy of Wolfenstein 3D dude, come on... That's not how genre's work. Being inspired by another game is not the same as copying. This was a decent review but the constant repetition back to Zelda really, really hurt your overall point and made it seem like you'd rather be playing that series instead. Which is at odds with your generally favorable review towards the end. Okami isn't for everyone, but none of us came here to hear about how Zelda does 'x' better or Okami copied 'x' from it and it leaves the review rather lackluster as a result.
You said it best.
thank you. I didn’t come to the video wanting to hear how great Zelda is
Clayton Shannon Cause Zelda is shit whereas this game is good and actually has a story.
Same thing for platform fighters. People call every platform fighter a smash clone.
Daniel Lim ...
Did he seriously have to start this out as if Okami was just a clone. Oh no it has dungeons, big whoop. That is not how anyone should define Okami.
A lot of people point out that you can skip the feeding animations, but I also wanted to point out that you can't wait until you get the string of beads to do the demon gate trials, as you get beads from doing the demon gate trials. Also agree with pretty much everyone else here, that calling Okami a clone is basically like saying all platformers are Mario clones. Inspiration, sure, but hardly a clone. And the complaint of too many collectibles? There's not even that much, and you get most of them just playing the game normally. It has far fewer than many games that have come out even recently. This feels like a really unfair review, and surprising considering how much I usually agree with you.
I mean, I got all beads and they were not annoying to get, they were quite easy to get unlike other collectables in other games
Agreed that beads are fine, and yeah you get 80%+ through casual exploration and they're pretty neatly ordered by area/progress. Animal feeding takes a while to hunt down everyone, more than the animation. Fishing isn't great, but it's inoffensive at worst. So really not all that much crazy stuff- bestiary has the one missable demon, but demon fangs and bestiary completion are otherwise nothing too crazy.
@@gin9410He did say that the beads he didn't mind. 🤷♀️ I think it's more the fact that if you're not paying attention and miss something, especially the one demon from the Emperor section, the dog from Kamiki Village 100 years ago, etc. which are late game, you have to play the entire game again for those collectibles/trophies. I missed the demon and I'm close to the end and already feel done playing. I REALLY don't want to do a second playthrough because of how long the game is; I got other stuff to play and my work schedule doesn't allow a whole lot of free time. It's just really frustrating.
Okami is one of the most beautiful games I have played. Also, Okami takes inspiration from the LoZ series but is in no way a copy or clone. You...did actually play the game right?
Maybe he just used the wiki to know the exact numbers and used opinions from friends beacuse he said so many incoherent stuff (its a joke he probably beat the game but it didn't stop him from saying those dumb arguments and nitpicks which are even wrong sometimes)
And it earns a badass seal approval and yes I got it from angry joe by saying it
Yeah, not feeling this review. There's too many nitpicks and comparisons to LOZ on Jirard's part, and I feel this review suffered for it. Here's hoping Jirard notices these criticisms and improves on them for the future.
Huh, I actually love the voices. It gives every character a personality. I also loved the story, as the adventure just kept going, and there were several times where I thought the game was over.
At least he didn't say it makes Okami a Sims ripoff.
Of course, clearly it's a Banjo-kazooie ripoff ;3
Rip off meaning it has no personality or identity that differs from the game that's "ripped off from"? beacuse if you mean that you are utterly and immensly wrong :D
i played okami blind and every time i thought the game was over something else happend, first orochi, then i thought the lord of darkness was Ninetails, but nope, lil fish was the big baddie
I cannot understand how a game which goes as deep into the Japanese lore as Okami does, creates a unique world, unique characters, unique atmosphere, unique music, unique art style, unique main mechanic like Okami does, can be degraded to be called a "clone"". It's insulting. I love Zelda, it's one of my favorite video game franchises of all time, but Okami has it beat in lore, world building and atmosphere (I may consider MM more atmospheric at times) imo. I call Zelda as a series epic and amazing, I call Okami a stand alone masterpiece of a game. But thats beside the point; thats just my opinion. Yes, Okami is clearly Zelda and mainly OoT INSPIRED, but there's a difference between being inspired by something and cloning something. They aren't even remotely close in anything but game structure. It sure was a struggle to finish this video because of the constant comparisons. If you play Zelda for the first time after Okami, I doubt you'd even think it's that similar in anything but, well, the gameplay structure. "Where's the Japanese flair? Where's the crazy over the top inappropriate jokes? Where's the option to talk to NCPs over and over and they keep telling you new things? Why am I a human? Where's the celestian brush? Why can't I jump? Why aren't there any beautiful nature awakening scenes? Cut off battle fields? Different main weapon choices? But oh hey there are dungeons and the items are kinda like the brush techniques, I feel like I'm playing the same game". Said no one ever. You shouldve been done with it after your first infuriating statement in the first minute so we could've at least enjoyed the rest of the review, but like this...
I completely agree!! Ugh, I HATED how he kept calling it a "clone"
Makes sense, as a lot of its core mechanics ARE taken from zelda. The 13 brush techniques are okami's version of zelda items, you collect three stone fragments to increase your overall health, and there's a wealth of other smaller things it shares with Zelda. Plus Hideki Kamiya (the creator of the game) admitted he took a LOT of inspiration from Zelda when making the game. And when the creator admits it, you know its true.
This review over emphasizes Zelda. I don't feel like that's fair to Okami. It would be wrong to not mention the similarities at all, but it comes up in every other paragraph. You don't do this for other "clone" type games really. Did you feel like you had to push that out there to hedge some past criticisms?
On my part, Zelda's world and aesthetics and protagonist never really interested me, but Okami's did, and I wouldn't call it a clone so much as put them in the same genre. The only thing that really got on my nerves was fighting the same bosses several times.
Okami is EASILY one of my favorite games of all time. It's a shame it didn't get the love/sales it deserved back in the day when it first came out
All this talk about ripping off made this video lose all meaning.
No, it's hearing "Amateratsu". You had one job, Jirard (or Geerard rather)!
@Roxas I agree with you; Ōkami is not a Zelda rip-off. A rip-off plagiarizes a game. An admirer remodels a formula.
I think you brought up a lot of good points here, especially concerning the amount of collectables, however I feel you focused way to much in the idea of this game as a "zelda clone" I wish you would have looked into the story a bit more. A big part of the reason its story is structured the way it is, is because it's very heavily inspired by the shinto religion. To the point where the main character is named amaterasu.
This may just be me but I think it's important to recognize when a game was inspired by something or follows a certain structure but still has it's own identity.
To say this game is a clone, is to say all platformers are Mario brother's clones because they're platformers.
Man I usually love Jirard's videos but so many of his complaints were avoidable all together. It's not a magical brush that just comes out of thin air btw, it's Ammy tail. So many references missed because of the lack of knowledge of Japanese Mythology. This game is probably one of the major reasons I fell in love with other cultures and mythology.
I dont wanna be that person from the fan base. But I don't think you can call this game a rip off of OoT, or any zelda game for that matter. Inspired sure, but clearly its own free thinking, not money grab game. Comparing everything about this game to zelda is unfortunate. I hope he was able to enjoy the game and not just look down on it for not just being 'The Legend of Zelda:Okami' . This would be like saying every game over the years have all be rip offs of one another, and not free thinking. Similar games come out around the same time because thats what people want to see. Thats why we have so many games like pubG, or we had all those zombie, or every FPS is a rip of off one another.
Okami is my favorite game of all time. I love the visuals, story, music, characters, absolutely everything about it, and completing it multiple times never felt boring. I played Okami many times on the Wii to completion, so when Okami HD came out on PS4 with no sign of a Switch release at the time, I was more than ready to pick it up. I didn't go into it aiming for the Platinum trophy, but I ended up getting it accidentally on my first playthrough of Okami HD. I didn't realize I got it until I looked at the achievement list one day, out of curiosity. I breezed through the game fairly quickly, too.
I completely disagree with you about the collectibles. Getting all of the Stray Beads, treasures, etc. feels as natural to me as breathing, and they never took away from the experience. The String of Beads makes it all more than worth it, too. Besides, you can sell the treasures you collect and the fish you catch for yen. So it's not like they serve no purpose when you collect them. It's also worth mentioning that you can skip the feeding animations, so you never did need to sit through the full cutscenes. Also, you needed to complete the Devil Gate Trials to get the stray beads. There's no possible way to clear them for the first time with the String of Beads during an initial playthrough.
I will say, though, that you missed out on mentioning a few more missables aside from the Fire Doom Mirror. The fish you need to catch in Agata Forest _are_ missable. Once Kokari leaves the forest, you won't be able to catch them until you start a new playthrough. Another missable is a dog you need to feed, which is only found beyond the Spirit Gate. Once you beat Orochi after going through the Spirit Gate, you can't go through it again. There are a number of missable clovers, too. But those aren't as important as the Fire Doom Mirror, Agata Forest exclusive fish, and a dog.
There are also a missable treasures there as well and many of the battles there give a lot of money too. Some of the clovers are covered by steal rocks which need stage 2 of the slash cutting power. Agata forest fish can also be found at Sayan city aristocratic quarters.
Benkei the traveling monk fishes there after you help him fish out the living sword found to be a large Cutlass fish and defeat blight.
I love this game so much I would make alternate accounts to get the platinum trophy again. I did that for 5 times before getting the ps4 and pc version.
I completed the pc version but sadly the ps4 plat crossed over to ps4 so I had to create an alt account to do it again.
Years late on this, but the fish in Agata aren't actually missable, as you can catch any (non-story required) fish you'd catch in Agata again in Sei'An City
What the hell is happening? I feel like I've never disagreed with Jirard more than on this video.
Like, I feel like he nitpicks this game more than some games he actually disliked. And on top of that, most of these nitpicks are either wrong entirely, or preventable. And, he keeps saying that this game was a clone of Zelda when it looks NOTHING LIKE ZELDA GAMES. From formula, to method, to combat style...NONE OF IT. What the fuck is happening here?
Yeah I dunno. He was acting like a real douchebag in this video. Overly critical and just full of really stupid nitpicking. Makes no sense at all. Maybe his true self is coming out and it's a huge jerk, we just never knew.
It's weird, just because it's a Japanese culture focused game he harps on waaay too much of little things (preventable and incorrect in cases) and just kinda come off like a jerk.
@@trod146 I wouldn't call him a jerk, it's his experience and his mistakes.
I agree saying Okami is a Zelda rip-off is going too far, but 'nothing like Zelda games'? C'mon. I love Okami, and part of that is how much it reminds me of traditional Zelda games.
Tons of it is like Zelda
Calling Okami a "clone" is an insult...
Yes. Calling Okami a clone is an insult...
To The Legend of Zelda.
The celestial brush techniques are just like the songs in OoT even though theres only you know, not specific inputs that you need to press and it isnt required to do things like warp
But yeah
Its a clone
Because it has dungeons, with puzzles!
yeah, its got hard rpg elements, also there have been many other dungeon rpg with an action focus before zelda....
Like I've said before: You cant copy a genre. You and many others act as if the game using Zelda as an INSPIRATION means it is a CLONE. Thats not what being inspired by something is.
Just because something like Rivals of Aether is similar to Smash Brothers Melee does not mean its a clone, it means it is i n s p i r e d. It means its still a platform fighter, with similar mechanics but different ones to set it out and make it its own game
Its not a insult
“You have to watch them eat it,” he says, as there’s literally an icon in the upper right corner indicating you can skip the cutscene that plays
15:13 he didn’t even notice the “skip cutscene button”. (Stupid, pointless nitpicks about a great game that deserves more respect along with plenty of other hidden gems, that’s like hating breath of the wild for lack of fast travel points)
Poor dude went through all the pain of watching these cutscenes for nothing...
Phantomshadow224 +
Kplus8 I didn’t find it annoying, I was fine with it here, I liked it in Celeste, and I tolerate it banjo kazooie.
I didn't even know those animal cutscenes DID have an end, after it made a full 360 around the animal the first time I saw one I figured it was infinite and skipped them all immediately from then on.
Honestly, this is just a bad video man. Lots of issues. Okami deserved a lot better
Okamis not a clone
It got inspiration from Zelda and put a unique twist on it
(read caps on sentences with demonic voice)
Don't you know? if its the same genre or its slightly inspired its instantly A FILTHY COPYCAT RIPOFF THAT HAS NO IDENTITY WHAT SO EVER
that's why Zelda is just a kinda good FILTHY RIPOFF CLONE of Hydlide... a shitty NES game :D look it up hydlide's first realease and the original legend of zelda's first realease :D
Did he say okami is a copy of ocarina of time?
iron knit Yeah like fifty different times in the same "review" honestly it's pretty ham fisted and just disrespectful to someone as influential to the games industry as Hideki Kamiya seeing as if it wasn't for him refining the DMC series I doubt games like God of War would've ever came into existence and we wouldn't have such amazing games as Bayonetta, MG:RR, and NieR Automata.
I find Okami to be more like say... A... I dunno, but not a clone. It's more like comparing The Flintstones to the Simpsons. They're similar in a couple ways, but massively different in others.
i mean it would be a bit more accurate to call it a god of war clone, cause beat um up gameplay and mythology!
Tadhg McGrath
Oh, it's not beat em up at all dude.
But yeah, funny.
oh no, doubling down, made by capcom, your attacks are quick, strong and air attack. you fight masses of enemies, solve puzzles and complete a linear game killing more and more mythologically powerful foe, the camera distance is far. you degrade your enemies to gain points and buy time. rip them in half, have a tooth, pee on them for even more, okami is dog of war!!!
An echo?
Crud, now I want Ammy in Smash.
Its not a ripoff or a clone at all. is and check this out beacuse this is going to BLOW your mind... (the same genre) WHAAAT yeah if that werent the case zelda would just be a "pff a kinda good clone of HYDLIDE"
Oh my god stop talking about the legend of Zelda this is so infuriating.
Lol
I know that animal feeding is tedious, but did you just completely forget about the fact that you can skip the cut-scene; the button to skip it is even shown on screen in this video.
Link 918 I never got sick of watching those cute animations of different animals eating, but yeah, if it becomes repetitive or annoys you, you can just skip it
He's not that bright.
And its not like you HAVE to watch the cutscenes to 100% it its just not necesary
"Then you have to watch them eat it."
Dude. The instruction to skip is literally RIGHT THERE on the screen as you're saying this 😆😆🤣 I watched this animation a grand total of two times and skipped it every time after that.
Also, getting the String of Beads first and THEN completing the Devil's trials is not possible, since the trials give you stray beads. But the trials are really no problem at all if you stack up on items beforehand.
Really appreciating this finally getting your coverage, now it got its remasters.
Not gonna lie, though, I know it's not an uncommon complaint, the speech noises from the NPCs, but.. I kinda like it. Always figured it gave them character
AnthroTsuneon reminds me of in Charlie Brown and the Peanuts cartoons how adults speak. Maybe that's what a wolf would hear when people speak? Lol
I think he was so annoyed with getting 100% that he got back at the game by being needlessly nitpicky.
yes, I agree. also, if you listen closely you'll notice that they are Japanese dialogues that have been distorted. I find them oddly relaxing at times, or funny. and they give a light-hearted tone to it, as much as the aeshetic does. it's like a legend being told, it's a bit overworldly and surreal, so regular voices wouldn't have given them the right feel.
wow 20 seconds in and Jirard is over his usual mistakes quota
Correction. As far as I'm aware Digimon was not about collecting the monsters in either the games or the anime. AND it was inspired MOSTLY from Tomogachi and was not technically copying Pokemon. Maybe the toys, but you could say that about ANY kids franchise. If you're going to feature a graphic, make sure that you get that part right.
+Xell Except it was, they just went about it in a different way. And only the FIRST game used the Tamagochi mechanics that Digimon was based of, every other game didn't. Hell, Digimon World 2007(Or Digimon World 3) was a mix between Final Fantasy, Digimon and Pokemon, including aspects from all three of these franchises i mentioned. Unlike Pokemon, Digimon likes to experiment with genres, one game actually being a dungeon crawler. But at their heart they are all about collecting and training more Digimon
Ashuraman "As far as I'm aware". Just wanted to point that out before I continued. That being said, from what I can find from looking into it, that seems to be the ONLY one that focuses on that. If I'm not mistaken, shouldn't it be the whole series that does it? Also, that's not really "a different way". "A different way" would be if you gained partners or gave NPC partners the monster you caught or if you befriended them and they just helped you occasionally. If you can capture, change out, and raise/train monsters that's pretty much the exact same thing as Pokemon.
Also, I'm not the only one who agrees. I have friends who were far more into Digimon than I ever was saying right now to me that they focused on ONE Digimon partner and not as much training, trading, and switching out that partner for new ones you could raise just as much as that one Digimon.
That being said, you clearly haven't looked too much into the Pokemon franchise to realize there are games that there are games that experiment with genres. Not all of them are good, or even all that "experimental" (and some are spin offs that really lose what the whole concept of the game was about and what genre it is), but they do have the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon series which is a hybrid of Pokemon and a rogue like, and that was started before the rogue like craze really took off. (and honestly, has better gameplay than the main series imo, aside from one game in that series). And the other game that really experiments is the Pokemon X Nobunaga's Ambition crossover Pokemon Conquest (which despite its weird concept, was really solid but repetitive) which was a strategy game crossed with Pokemon. They don't do it with the main series, but they do allow experimentation for spin-offs.
+Xell Nope, only the very first game, the one on ps1, does it. Why? Because Digimon has evolved FAR beyond it's origin. It's not longer a simple tamagochi look alike/clone, it's much more than that now. Hence why only the first game focused on that with only having one monster, having to raise it, take it to the bathroom, feed it, etc etc. there was a remake of that first game and even a sequel to the remake that also focus on that mechanic but that's it
See i say in a different way because you don't exactly CAPTURE them per se. Every game does this differently. For example the aforementioned Digimon World 3 lets you have only 3 Digimon in your party BUT each mon has several different Digivolutions, depending on how you train their stats. You CAN gain other mons besides the 3 you start with and that involves quests with NPCs and even then you don't capture them so much as...clone them from their DNA. Weird i know. The latest games on the other hand, have you collect data from Digimon you fight and when you have enough data you can create a sort of copy of that mon, since they are just data in the first place. As far as i remember, the only game where you actually "capture"(or befriend really) monsters is Digimon World 2, the aforementioned dungeon crawler.
Here's the thing about Pokemon though: Those games that DO experiment with the format? All spin offs/side series. The main series has remained the same for years safe for a few additions/changes. The core concept remains the same. Digimon on the other hand has no spin offs. every game can be counted as a main series game(maybe except one or two like the fighting ones that spawned sequels of their own) and they are all different. Sure they are all RPGs at heart BUT they all play very differently from one another.
As for your friends saying that the focus is on one partner, again, that's just the FIRST game. All of the others? You have an entire party of them, with more than one in the field at a time(Not Digimon World 3 though, that one you only have one out at a time but even in that if you focus on just ONE partner you're screwed)
Ashuraman But the series is more than just the games. The anime also fits in there. And from what Ive seen of the old anime and an episode I spied from my younger cousin catching an episode of a newer series, that’s pretty much remained the same. (Although, I can’t complain there).
As for the capturing, bringing back the PMD games and another clone I remember seeing, they too did something similar where you combined the monsters to get better ones, and the PMD games do befriending. Either way, it’s still the same base mechanics. You fight monsters to get better ones, you obtain new ones in some way, you train those ones through fighting.
I don’t disagree on Pokémon’s main series being pretty playing it safe and similar in gameplay. But that wasn’t what I was arguing. What you said was “the games don’t experiment with genres.” Not “they don’t adapt from the success of experimentation or change things up to keep them fresh.” If you had said that I would have 100% agreed and never brought up the point.
+ Ashuraman So the game you say is a remake of the first Digimon World, where you have the one partner and raise it like the Digimon Virtual Pet, isn't a remake. It's an entirely new game that is similarly structured, but with a different set of characters and different story. So right there it kinda defeats your argument that there's only been one game like that, though it is still a very small amount of them.
Honestly, this deserves a better legacy. This is NOT a Zelda clone. Same genre, yes, but nothing is really the same about them. Okami is an inspired game, yes, but everything in it makes it stand out. This isn't a copy and shouldn't be classified as one. This game has unique graphics, gameplay, and overall feel.
Lets list a few things.
Combat: not like Zelda
Art style: not like Zelda
Characters: not like Zelda
Story: not like Zelda
World: not like Zelda
Dialogue: not like Zelda
Side quests: somewhat like Zelda?
Minigames: not like Zelda
Collectibles: not like Zelda
Powers: the only powers that are like Zelda are too generic to attribute to Zelda. Usage is not like Zelda
Can someone explain to me how this game is in any way a Zelda clone? Because I don't see it. Just because it is inspired by Zelda does not make it a Zelda clone.
Rendom Stranger I would say it's inspired by. Zelda as the designer has admitted but in no way a Zelda clone. Also I hate to admit it, but I think the music is better than any Zelda game too and many Zelda games have great music! Okami's music is at another level
Hepwo91222 Was there even any doubt that the music is better than the music in any Zelda game? Because to me, there isn't. The thank you version of reset for example has been my favourite song for years at this point. No other song has even come close.
Rendom Stranger just the progression formula. Traverse overworld, find way into dungeon, get new power, finish dungeon, move on. But I feel that's pretty indicative of the whole genre.
Maybe since both games have a silent protagonist accompanied by a pixie?
Rendom Stranger Zelda games have some of my favorite music in videogames ever and they have a back catalog of like 20 games. Okami and Okamiden is it and both games have insanely good music. My fave are Thank You (Reset), The Sun Rises, The Orca Theme. Okami is one of only two games that I imported the soundtrack from Japan (other is Xenoblade Chronicles 1)
hepwo91222 I agree the music is actually breath in the atmosphere so well done
Sorry but this was a really weak review jerard.
The problem with calling something a Legend of Zelda clone is that, at best, 3 games in that series (namely, the first one, The Adventure of Link and Majora's Mask) are original enough that you can clone them and it's not just taking inspiration from all the other games in that genre. Okami was certainly inspired by Zelda, but most Zelda games copied at least as much as Okami, which has a distinct combat system, the Celestial Brush and the heavy influences from Japanese mythology and sumi-e.
In short, I consider it far more original than almost all Zelda games. Fite me.
" The way the characters talk is annoying! It should be more like Zelda!"
> BUT LOVES BANJO KAZOOIE / HAS NO PROBLEMS WITH HOW THEY TALK
Boi. . . pick. . . yo. . battles. >: |
Honestly, Calling this game a Zelda copycat is pretty much the same as saying that X platformer is a Mario copycat.
It's the same genre, so there will be similarities. Many of them. *Many.*
But that's just me nitpicking the video. Amazing work as always.
The game's creator flat-out admitted that he was copying the LoZ format.
Nieru No, he said he was INSPIRED by the Zelda series. Taking ideas that it did and putting it's own unique spin on it. There is a small but very important difference between inspired and copied.
@@CosmicNebula444 not in the video game industry. "Inspired" means "we copied it, but we don't want to get sued".
@@jornoftherebellion9370 awww, does someone not have a better argument than ableist slurs? Lemme guess, incel?
Its the same genre... Call of duty is a socom ripoff? Xcom is a Command and conquer ripoff? Pokemon is a monster rancher ripoff?
I must disagree with Jirard's insistence on calling Okami a Zelda clone. Yes, it takes inspiration from Zelda, but it does more than enough differently to be it's own thing, from the brush techniques, combat mechanics, and general controls to the emphasis on Japanese mythology, religion, and art. It's like calling Borderlands a Golden Eye 007 clone because you go places and shoot things. I think the way he described the game and continuously referred back to Zelda in the review does a disservice to Okami, making it come off as a copycat that happened to be good, rather than the actual good game that it is.
Also, the stray beads are definitely not like the Mario super stars. You collect them in different ways and they have very different purposes. I usually enjoy The Completionist videos, but this one just rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like Jirard was comparing everything in Okami to old Nintendo games, and it felt unwarranted. Like, a "rip off"? Really? That's just not the case.
You do realize that gathering brush techniques serves the same purpose as getting new items in zelda, right? Or that there are three sunstone pieces to collect to expand your health, or that there are dungeon maps to attain or the fact that you repeat bosses at some point just to show how strong you've become? It's more than surface level stuff.
tcrpgfan There are lots of other games that do that. Collecting new items/techniques to accomplish tasks/fight enemies you couldn’t before isn’t a copyright Zelda mechanic, and any good game would show you how to use the new ability/item after you get it in whatever way the game developers deem fit. Dungeon maps aren’t strictly for Zelda either, and most other games that have you collect and use them don’t get hit so hard for having them. In Okami there’s certain locations you can only reach when you have a dungeon map, which I can’t recall seeing in a Zelda game, and the Overworld map is already completed in Okami which is rare in a Zelda game (you usually have to fill those in by exploring). I see the inspiration absolutely, but I think there’s way more to Okami, and being a Zelda *clone* isn’t something I see.
I'm pretty sure you could skip the animation for feeding the animals
you can its even *in the video LMAO* 15:51
Or battles and the dialogue as well
Calling Okami a clone gives it no justice when it is a completely different game of its own
How is inspired the same as being a clone when the game is more or less completely different.
it's not really completely different, is it...
Miguelwastaken It is the same genre. They will all have specific similarities. And the game is inspired by Zelda sure, but it is far away from being a clone. The combat system is completely different. Even in the similar elements like solving puzzles or getting through a dungeon, the verticality in Okami makes the approach pretty different.
Ok, people. From when being clone is something bad? Being rip off is, and you need specific level of insolence if not breaking the law for that. Okami just use same mechanic (chance a clone), but offer own style and merit so it is definitely a good clone. That is all about it.
Clone doesn't mean bad, it means a copy. Not necessairly bad. But being inspired from and being a clone is totally different. The game doesn't just have a different style, the game is just different in everything. It is like calling every RPG a clone of Dragon Quest, or Dragon Quest a clone of the PC rpgs it was inspired by. It just looks down on the game and makes it sound like a clone incomparable to the original, which is untrue. You wouldn't even make a relation to Zelda just playing the game normally, there are plenty of games like that. It isn't a clone trying to stand out by the art style, it is a game inspired by Zelda that stands on its own as a good game. And again, the gameplay mechanics are totally different.
TheRezro the problem with calling something a clone is within the implications. When you call something a clone you are essentially stripping away every single one of its merits that makes it a great game that definitely stands out on its own. Okami has an incredibly strong sense of it being its own thing, so when you say it's a Zelda clone, even if you INTEND for that to be a good thing (which he did say Okami was a Zelda ripoff but that's another story) it just isn't. If you said "similar to" or "inspired by" that's a different story because it means that's where it draws some parallels and inspiration to. Calling it clone means it is JUST legend of Zelda and nothing more. Inspired to would mean it has some Zelda Similarities but it still has its own identity. You see the difference yet?
I enjoyed feeding the animals. I took it as a moment to relax.
How the hell is Okami a copycat/clone/rip off of Zelda? Because they're both Action Adventure RPGs? Seriously, what is the argument here? Because it took inspiration/ideas from Zelda? That's utter shiet.
Thank Amaterasu I'm not alone on this
Zelda isn't an RPG, just an action adventure game. The only two games in the Zelda series that are RPG's or have RPG elements are Zelda 2 and Breath of the Wild, and those aren't indicative of the entire franchise.
There are plenty of action adventure RPGs that isn't similar to Zelda. But basically, its' a Zelda-like, the same way you have a metroidvania subcategory (of which many are also action adventure RPGs which aren't derivative of Zelda)
@GunsouAfro
"The only two games in the Zelda series that are RPG's or have RPG elements are Zelda 2 and Breath of the Wild"
Not really.. even so called jRPG's are tactic-adventure games (called "Japanese RPG's" ironically due to use of similar style of gameplay). To be a RPG (what I remind is a simulation of party game) you need have character choices what define the genre. Only jRPG has something like that was Chrosno Trigger and even that only on surface level. If you want example of real aRPG check Witcher, and for best in classic original Fallout.
But yeh.. console kids call everything RPG nowadays 0_0
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Yup, they aren't. First Zelda game honorary is called sometimes "aRPG", but only first as generally it created action-adventure genre.
Thank you for proving my point. Zelda isn't an RPG franchise, and the two titles I mentioned are the only two in the franchise that even have tiny elements of an RPG. Zelda 2 having a level up system, and breath of the wild having inventory management, and leveling up equipment. At the end of the day, they are not fully RPG's, and as such aren't RPG's.
2 questions...How is Okami a LoZ ocarina of time clone, and how is Digimon a clone of pokemon?
15:47 there's a skip button
Inspired by = rip off..... ok....
i guess then god of war is also a filthy clone of zelda i mean it has combat.... and puzzle solving.... and dungeons.... and some exploring.... and sometimes Athena or Gaia talk to you telling you your goal so thats basically Navi or Fi and you save the princess beat the bad guy and get the triforce so thats basically saving your family in a halucination in the first game beating Ares and getting the throne of the god of war it has no identity what so ever right? just a simple zelda clone
I was so excited for him to review this game, but when I saw it, it disappointed me to see him really attach himself to the idea that Okami is a "Zelda rip-off". This game is a lot more than that.
Why is Mario dabbing? Also Okami looks beautiful
I haven't watched the video yet, and now I'm scared.
It's such a gorgeous game
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Okami is a beautiful game when it came out originally for the PS4 it was wonderful I just bought it again the other day and beat it I love the game it's amazing and I would definitely recommend it
"it came out originally for the PS4"
for the ps4 ? u wot mate ?
Okami was first released in 2006 on the PS2 and 2008 on the Wii.
The PS4 version is an HD remake
Though...fuck yeah, Okami is G R E A T game, words can't actually describe how wonderful of a game it is.
I have never heard your version of the backstory for this game's development until you stated these things yourself.
From what I have heard the original goal was to make a realistic looking game that was bright and colorful and not just dark and gritty. And the change to the visual style was in part due to his original vision being held back by the PS2's hardware limitations.
Never once when I was playing this game did I ever even think the word "Zelda" - this feels like one of those "a hotdog is a sandwich" situations.
Honestly Jirard, I couldn't finish watching this video. I had watched it with my boyfriend because I wanted to show him how much of an awesome content creator you are. But in the end, we both got frustrated when you kept calling this masterpiece of a game a Zelda rip-off.
I know that you're better than this, so why did you think this was in good enough shape to post? I just don't understand how you got rip-off out of inspired. Okami is a beautiful game with an intricate story and characters and magnificent settings. The combat is unique and kept things interesting and you didn't have to wait out your battles like you some times do in Zelda games.
And don't think I'm letting that jab about Digimon being a clone of Pokemon slide either. I grew up with both shows and games for both series and they are vaguely similar but almost entirely different. If you and every other person who called it a clone actually sat down and played the games or even watched the shoes, you'd see that there is a big difference. I know that you're better than this Jirard and Okami deserves better than to be called a rip-off and clone. So next time, actually check to see if what your script writer typed up is true of not.
Welcome to Episode 26 of me asking Jirard to complete Yakuza 0.
Please complete Yakuza 0.
Mysterious Jojo I'm actually playing through that game right now and enjoying every second. Won't watch his video until I finish it even if he makes it though. Great recommendation!
Yeah Yakuza 0 is great and you should keep on your journey my friend!
oh shit! I wonder what is gonna happen in the next episode, I better go back to the beginning to understand it better
That's rad!
Have this bookmarked for when/if he finally does it.
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...Except Okami's based off of Japanese Shinto Mythology and has 0 similarities to Zelda except it being in the same genre, so it's not a rip-off, but is confirmed to be inspired by it.
Okami =/= Legend of Zelda clone.
Michael Morgan ... I still question how Okami is a clone considering how original the game itself is art,characters,mechanics and story are all original
Cloud Guardian yes it is a clone, in game structure. Nobody is claiming that the story or art is apeing LoZ but in game structure its the same.
rip off and inspiration are two different things...
It's not a clone but it would be complete bullshit to imply it wasn't HEAVILY inspired by Zelda.
Though it must've been awkward when mid-way through development they found out Twilight Princess would have wolf Link.
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The art style really helped this game's graphics to age very gracefully
15:48 there is a skip button
did anyone else get mad when he kept saying that its a copy of zelda, sure ideas came from things that existed at that time but it borderline imbecilic to say that it is a remake of zelda
Clover studios was not independent. They were wholly owned by Capcom. Don't spread ignorance.
The correct word to use is actually "misinformation", Not "ignorance".
Am I the only one that got mad when he mispronounced every thing nope just me... ok
ThatGuyJZ nah me too
@@bricky7081 me three
Ōkami is for all ages in Japan..!
I still get both super pumped and a little teary-eyed whenever I hear "The Sun Rises". It's just such a gorgeous song.
I don't have words for how much I love this game. Even for an 'inspired-by Zelda' sort-of-not-really clone, it's got so much individuality and personality that it still feels very much like its own animal (heh heh). I love the art, the music (duh), the Celestial Brush techniques, the great balance of epic mythology and irreverent humor...and yes, everything about Amaterasu is adorable.
Technically twilight princess copied Okami because Okami was released before twilight princess
The graphics weren't inspired by wind waker. Someome from they team made a few concepts in that distinct japanese style and that's when they decided to use that style not only for the visuals, but for the gameplay too
When you clic because its Okami and you get so disappointed/pissed after watching...
Okami is it's own thing, and I think it should be reviewed as such. Calling it just a clone is degrading to what it was
just because something is inspired doesnt mean its a clone. Okami stands on its own as a legendary classic
Man i love you and your videos but, a game as beautiful as okami ISN'T a ripoff of something else, may be inspired but this game has a soul and a heart, this is a great game and also beautiful, never a ripoff
When i play this game it doesn't feel like zelda game at all
Thank you so much for completing this game. This has been my absolute favorite game since I first played it on the PS2. I don't think this game has ever gotten the respect it was due from the general public. Hopefully this will help expose many new gamers to this amazing game.
Okami is not a damn copy of OoT
Yay, my favorite game! It's definitely similar to Zelda, but I wouldn't call it a ripoff. It's just a very similar genre.
Not gonna lie your review on Okami totally missed the mark for me. First time I've actually pretty much disagreed with all your gripes right out of the gate.
I’m not sure why everyone dislikes Issun. I played this game before I ever played a Zelda game so I might be a little biased but he is a character in the game so I treat him as such. I’m experiencing his story just as much as I’m experiencing Ammys.
His dialogue is humorous enough that for me it’s charming and cute and nothing compared to Navi, whereas that character is genuinely annoying at times because you don’t care about Navi as much, but you care about Issun because he has morales and emotions that you either agree or disagree with. NPCs directly notice Issun and talk with him because the game revolves around the two of them not just Ammy.
He is an artist that struggles with fulfilling his destiny as someone who paints the gods and he finds that lame and stupid as some people would, by end game he realizes the importance of it and accepts it, God’s are important and all mortals including him should respect and care about that because it is important for the land and its vitality.
I don’t know. Just my personal opinion, I know some people prefer Zelda over this but to me, I’ve never been a huge fan of Zelda and this has always been a game that is much more interesting in characters, story, and gameplay. Not to mention how fucking beautiful it is.
Edit: and to be fair, when I played this game for the first time. Nothing. And I mean HONESTLY nothing in this game felt all together like a Zelda game. Sure you can make comparisons to it for being a 3rd person adventure game that is heavy in story and item pickups. But there has to be a line you draw where something is inspired by, and where something is blatantly copying from another material. This is not copying AT ALL. It’s like saying call of duty made the military shooter and battlefield copied from that. Zelda is not the end all be all of fucking 3rd person adventure games, just saying.
No legitimate game critic has ever called Okami a "Zelda clone" only scrubby youtubers
I'm sorry Jirard, but I heavily disagree to your view of the game. What you said is completely taken out of context. There's a clear distinction between being a Zelda clone/ripoff and being inspired by Zelda while doing it's own thing. The constant comparisons is giving a complete disservice to what this game sets out to be. Amateratsu and the rest are clearly based on Japanese Shinto mythology, and this game is a love letter to said mythology. Also Fyi, Digimon is not even a ripoff of Pokemon, that's a myth.
Jared, the brush is amaterasu's tail
Animal feeding cutscene can be skipped by pressing sta-.....
URGH RIGHT SIDE OF THE TOUCHPAD
also... the demon gates give you a stray bead at the end... so no... you HAVE to do them before gaining the string of beads,... you can basically load up on holy bones and inkfinity stones if it proves too much though
there's.... no real punishment for using them
Usually I tend to agree with your takes on games and enjoy watching you analyze aspects of games you enjoy or dislike to explain your stance but damn dude, this is the first time I can remember where I HEAVILY disagree with you. Calling Okami "just a rip-off of OOT" is massively disrespectful, and that's coming from someone who ranks the Zelda franchise among their favorites.
There’s a bunch of talk about him calling it a rip off of Zelda but the thing that most annoyed me was that he didn’t realize he could just skip the Animal Tome animations.
One thing I want to add is that this game is able to invoke emotions in ways that few other games have. If anyone is still on the fence about playing Okami after watching this, I say give it a try. The story may have a few points where it stumbles and there may be a part or two that haven't aged well, but at least play until you beat the first boss and watch/read through the cutscene following it. The main thread of the story may be "beat demons, save the world" but you'll hit so many other smaller threads as you go that you'll get an idea for what Okami has left in store by that point.
And for anyone looking to do a less extreme version of completing Okami, I'd say that you can probably skip getting every last fish and treasure (except the Stray Beads). Aside from filling out their tomes, their only use is to be sold for extra spending money. Likewise, you don't have to feed every last animal either; all that does is get you more "experience points" which can be helpful early game but you'll get plenty from battles and side-quests anyway.
Okami is one of my favorite games ever and I personally didn't feel like beating Orochi in the middle of the game was a cheat or something. I was just delighted to see how much game there was still left. Glad to see you finally tackle this one, though! Thank you!
Wasn’t it Lao Tzu who said the “journey of one thousand miles” quote, and not Confucius?
I knew if I scrolled through the chat, I'd find someone else who knew, or googled, this. (for the record, I googled it, because I was pretty sure it was Chinese because I thought it was a thousand Li journey). So, have my upvote for knowing the right thing.
Thank you for the upvote. I learned it years ago from an old cartoon called Histeria that I watched almost every day, so it's stuck in my head forever.
I'm so glad your career is finished so I never have to hear you yap about Okami being a ripoff ever again
Many games take inspiration from other games, that's part of the game industry and evolution of video games. A rip-off is something that is almost exactly like the other game. If someone tells me that Okami is almost exactly as Zelda Wind Waker or Twilight princess, please, Nintendo doesn't own the idea of having a wolf as a playable character or even the art style Wind Waker uses. Allowing other studios to take inspiration of what makes one game good and use it in their own is what allows us to enjoy what we like in different art form.
Hell, the whole reason Ammy is a wolf is its a play on the word Kami >.> Ookami is wolf in Japanese..and Amaterasu's full name is Amaterasu-ōmikami.
I'd say there's more inspiration from A Link to the Past then OOT, but maybe that's just me. :P
Either way, Okami stands as its own solidly, and I loved playing it on the PS2 and Wii. About to start playing it again on the PS4! :D
I love this game. And I loved how Orochi was the midpoint, it blew my mind back then. Suddenly I was kinda aimlessly exploring the land I saved, but something sinister was moving behind the shadows. The final battle was simply amazing to me.
I think Yami is like Ultimecia from FFVIII, you never see it directly until the very end, but its presence is there during all the adventure.
Jirard, you really gotta stop referencing this to Oot and LoZ. Doing it a couple of times are fine, but honestly, you brought it up so many times, calling Okami a copy or a knock off, that it makes this whole review almost redundant.
But, just about everyone else told you this. So hopefully in the future, you focus more on the game, instead of continuing to refer it to existing games.
Hey dude, I want your honest opinion on something.
What do you think of this video now looking back on it? What are your thoughts on the points everyone in the comments brought up?
I'm pretty curious on how/if your opinion has developed
My brother got this game and I could immediately tell it was based off of some Japanese mythology from the art style alone, hell a quick google search of the main character’s name brings up Japanese mythology. It’s like you saw it was made in Japan and was a Adventure Platformer so it has to be a Zelda clone, wtf? Was the only research you do on the game typing in ‘Okami LOZ clone’?
Hey Jirard, I meant to say this however many videos ago you started it, but I have to say I LOVE the new segment you have in the show where you create an actual checklist of what you'll need to do in order to complete the game. It's a really nice extra bit that adds a lot to your show, and I really enjoy it.
jirard, not to be mean but digimon didn't copy pokemon man, there's easy research that you can do to prove that, infact when the franchise begun they were really worried that the concept of digimon was different to other franchises, (for example in the art book of the 20th anniversary it shows early desings of digimon that were similar to how pokemon makes theirs, and they changed the format immediately) even so, the early name for the franchise was otokodoshi (because it was just a tamagoshi for kids), then they though about capsule zaurus, but knew that was similiar to the early name of another franchise so they desided on digitalmonsters, digimon. as it is known the concept of digimon isn't about capturing a lot of monsters (like pokemon) it's about the friendship you make taking care of your monster, fighting against others, and having an adventure. togheter as one, (like having a mascot, but here's is a wild creature). digimon have personalities, characteristics, emotions, etc. that was the concept they wanted since the beggining, and although some people think "oh digimon is just pokemon because they both finish in mon" or "digimon came after pokemon so it is a copy" (dumb comments seriously, at least think of something else than that xD), a lot of fans know what digimon is. digimon and pokemon are from the same genre "monsters" created by games like dragon quest and shin megami tensei, so pokemon wasn't the first doing it, in fact digimon was more worried about other franchises, there's this japanese game for example called "pocket saurus" that came 2 years before pokemon, does that mean pokemon or digimon copied pocket saurus?, of course not, but digimon at least took that game into consideration when making digimon.
also anyone can see that digimon doesn't have limits like pokemon about what it can do, while pokemon are like the animal of the earth, anything can be a digimon, or something digital (because in the digital world there's more than just digimon, there's digi-enteties), same aplies from a story stand point, while you get different stories in anime, games, manga in digimon, in pokemon they're kinda bound to the present generation, where the anime just take place in the story from the game. you can easily so for example digimon cibersleuth and the new game that's comming out "digimon survive", cibersleuth was heavy in story and taking a lot of lore from the franchise, and the mechanics are from the digimon story games wich people really like, but now with digimon survive bandai decided to make something "new", with a story more complex, kinda like VN and with mechanics like final fintasy tactics or so, that kinda ressembles the old digimon games like digimon adventure anode/catode tamer from the wonderswan.
anyways, sorry for all the talking, just letting you know this information and to anyone else who wants a serious comment on the debate digimon vs pokemon, the thing is, enjoy the things by how they're, don't always compare, specially if you don't know stuff to back up your comment. digimon and pokemon are great franchises by their own.
great video anyways so yeah, sorry, this wasn't even a digimon related video, but i felt like telling this information because a lof of people think about digimon like this and it's not right. you could do a video on digimon story cibersleuth, that game will teach you a lot ;).