So I have a string on my chest that I foresee as causing some viewers a lot of distress based on previous comments. We can put this one in the 'Top 10 Most Distracting/Bothersome Loose Threads and Hairs' list! Would it bother a mini brain? That being said, who would you rather have driving your car if you had to choose, AI or a mini brain? Like 10 years in the future when they are larger. Would it not be vegan to use a mini brain? It's not a animal per se but it is alive!
@@MictheVegan As silicon brains, aka chips, are going to get both more efficient, faster and more intelligent than biological brains, not to mention so much more _controllable_ this is likely a non-issue.
@@Fataltyler08Two things can be true. It doesn’t make his statement false. One may have come first but that doesn’t change the fact it is literally rockets back story.
that show there is code that automatically syncronizes them.. tough there is no research that reached big amounts of steps untill today... not the published ones atleast as we know :P all in all this automation partially signns sthe research will be easier then expected in general but analysing it correctly may take a lot as this may mean some other unseen dynamics are in action :P
It's even worse when you comprehend them... There is lots of potential with the technology, but let's avoid creating sentient brain in a yars that have no body and are ultra depressed.
Dog: (finds a cure for all diseases) Scientist: "How did you do that?" Dog: "The compound boosts the immune system and...." Scientist: "YES YES the antibodies, I get it, but how do YOU know?! I created YOU so how do YOU know?!"
I know it's a joke but that's the nice thing about being sentient, you can become smarter in certain topics compared to your peers and can help each other understand stuff easier and advance knowledge way faster. Then there are the dumb people who think AI will doom us but they can't do anything we don't teach them to do, but to do that they need to be taught evil stuff by evil people or gain sentience and somehow be brainwashed into the humanity hating cult that's been so prominent and growing extremely fast for the past few decades.
14:35 I just wanted to point out that having the same brain signature as a 7 or 8 month old fetus is beyond the age of viability. Babies are born premature at that gestational age (28-32 weeks) every day.
It’s not because you are actually saved being premature that you will be totally “normal”. It is being discovered more and more that the premature individuals have a higher possibility of being born or later developing all sorts of mental disorders, disabilities, conditions from the very benign to the most severe conditions. Now I’m not a neurologist but am the parent of a premature child who is going through a very tough time just finding himself and with hindsight much more professional help should have been available to help him adapt to his situation. I also know he is not alone from family members own experience and from what I have encountered as far as information on the internet. So at a certain point we have to ask ourselves, are we just keeping these clumps of cells alive for our own sense of guilt? I understand nothing is perfect but how damaged and suffering is the lowest level of existence are we going to impose on an eventual child once out of the womb? I wonder how many times in the history of humans the thought “I wish I was never born” has been thought by suffering individuals. I’m ready to take the over every time.
It’s an interesting ideal that is absolutely plausible, are there ideals or concepts you have on the subject? I’m unsure where this is heading but we should probably think of where it is indeed heading!
@@LucyKelly-jh5is ...disgusting maybe, but why evil? Religious cultist, conspiracy theorist, plain insane or just misinformed, I'm curious nonetheless. Either way I strongly disagree.
Oh boy! So as a old man, i could get: *Rocket raccoon/ anthro/ real furries *Ceasar and planet of the apes * cyborg killing robots * a the united Nations Clone army and all of them being the same person.
In my opinion, the driving force behind any technological development is always purely curiosity. All other reasons such as curing diseases, winning wars, etc. is to obtain a budget. In order to succeed in limiting the negative sides of technological developments it is useful to first recognize what the main motive is. As long as researchers hide behind altruistic goals it is very difficult to create real supervision. By the way, curiosity is a very powerful force and we need to respect this instinct. Just remember that those who are curious are not able to know when to stop and at what pace to move forward.
Curiosity may be the capability that helps expand boundaries, but monied interests are there to influence at least half of the collective curiosity where it should be applied, and their particular goals. For example, the internet was started by DARPA under DARPA-Net, funded by uncle sam, for "defense purposes". That goal hasn't obsolesced with time..
dont worry they wont..... in fact they care about animals so much theyve been working on ways to get rid of most us for the better part of 60 years... and unless your like 80 years old..... your gonna live to see it lol
This. If I ever go blind, I'll never consider for a second getting a -service- slave dog. We're not entitled to exploitation of others when things get rough.
@@BlueNorth313the difference between a service dog and a slave is, the dog’s life is made meaningful and more enjoyable by being able to help someone he loves. It is not oppressive to him. He has no need for monetary remuneration, material accumulation, or other human vanities. He has what he needs materially, he has security and stability, and he has love, and every healthy, socially-minded organism that has these things will enjoy giving back, within its means, to its pack, its tribe, its family, its mate, its friends, its comrades. A service dog is more than happy to guide you through the world, to serve a special purpose to you that is more than being an idle object of adoration. Do your parents have to pay you to nurse them in old age? Do your children have to pay you for the years you guided them through the world? Or are you happy to do these things with love? I have a gut feeling that people who think service dogs are slaves, are not experienced with having healthy, reciprocal relationships with other humans. Our working relationship in our wage based economy is a thousand times closer to slavery than a service dog’s working relationship to its human.
Mic, you are encountering alot of horrible things - and managing to be here standing for ethics and truth. How do you not stress out compietely? Your work is heroic. You are appreciated.
Fascinating, Captain. Glad to see the reminders that we already devalue sentient beings ... gotta wonder about the future implications with this new science.
Are we literally creating immortal beings and then force them to complete meaningless tasks in a computer? What if we create a brain of 20 tons? Would that brain not only be alive, but experience life beyond what we can? Would it be too much intelligence to bear?
@@zenyatta5064 cetaceans are very intelligent animals... ultimately more brain size doesn't necessarily mean more intelligence but also ultimately smaller brain size does mean less tissue which means less potential for intelligence. A well-encoded small brain can bean out a badly encoded large brain but, literally the more neurons the more computational power there is potential for.
@@zenyatta5064 The OP doesn't claim that brain size linearly correlates to intelligence, that's a really particular claim. They're just asking us to consider the situation where we create large artificial brains and the potential to create super intelligence therein. The potential is there. If you take a human's genetics and modify them only slightly to produce brains which are actually larger, they have the potential to be more intelligent than us by virtue of simple computational complexity theory.
Nuke, WOW, what a comment… [I see a very philosophical sci fi book in your idea. Title: The Great Brain Escape, or Gone With The Brain, or Brian The Brain Goes Snipe Hunting…]
Part three does give us light on this. Some alien scientist group takes random animals from Earth and does brain modifications, along with some other things. One warning to anyone who even remotely likes animals. This movie's subject matter hits hard. It does not pull its punches and wants to break your heart in two.
Indeed. What a wild time to be alive. You can learn to do anything and buy the equipment to do it or the mail order services. There's literally a content creator on here culturing brain cells to make an organoid chip to play Doom. Look him up. Crazy.
We are the way we are because of chemicals and and different parts of the brain working together. So long as scientists don’t give it the parts to feel pain or fear or anything else we should be fine.
The horror isn't at all the possible outcomes of this, but what torture the lab animals experience daily. Edit: I do not at all mean nothing bad will come out of this, but that it isn't comparable to the horrors of animal testing. And most importantly we shouldn't focus, like we always do, on ourselves.
How many problems, ethical, health and environmental, would be solved if the world went vegan? Instead, we have all this horrific, evil, ludicrous claptrap. Thank you for the video.🌱❤🌱
we don’t really know what suffering is. we don’t know if it is intrinsically part of how computation in brains works or if it can just be switched off. hopefully it is the latter and we do switch it off
Aargh it is so frustrating when most people give more “rights“ and “consideration of interest“ to a small clump of human cells than they do to living breathing sentient beings simply because they are not human. 😢
@@worlds-biggest-mbn-fanboy Objectively yes, notice how we were designed in God's image, what other species have you seen here make it to the moon? I think it's funny when people use words like objectively like you don't know shit buddy.
@@Fataltyler08 Well no because God doesnt exist as far as we know, and secondly us landing on the moon doesnt make us more important than idk microbes its good to be humble ya know ? Also other species arent as deranged as we can be sometimes so our intellect is also a double edge sword.
Scientist: We have gave you a stroke. Mice: ... Scientist: Do not worry, we replaced the damaged are with a organoids with human brain cells. Mice: ... Scientist: thing is, you may now be aware of your own suffering. Mice: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
Animals are getting a lot smarter on their own. Like they watch us and it got them thinking. you’ve got animals who can use pushbutton language to with their people about abstract thoughts and emotions. Many wild animals are losing their fear of humans because they know that we can do rescues that they are not able to do. They will literally encounter problem in the wild and then run out to the freeway to get humans to come back to help with what they heard or their family is challenged with. Their language between each other is changing.
@@playinglifeoneasy9226 it's fascinating, yeah. Humans shape the environment around them. Animals evolve to suit that environment. This is only the beginning, some species are already entirely dependent on cities to survive.
I want one in my pinkie finger so I can finally tell someone “I got more brains in my little finger than you got in your whole head” and at least have a little legitimacy in the argument.
The only thing is we draw a reasonable boundary to how much we can advance with this otherwise this is fantastic and doing this with other organs should be limitless .
I like to think that one day people will personally experience the feeling of being one of their experiments and there being an initial acceptance as though it’s not that bad. But then the ethical comparison of computing power and the relative experience of trauma over such a proportion of lifetime would encourage people to experience the subjects experience as many times as it becomes relative in terms of length of experience. This would drive people mad. Gotta program the pain receptors out, but then would it be as effective as learning from feelings? Super weird thoughts. All love.
The brain itself doesn't have any pain receptors. And these "disordered" impulses they use to teach the brain aren't painful in any capacity, they're the same with "ordered" ones in power level
The "pit of despair" experiment, if you can call it that, is echoing in my mind. I don't really care how much it advances science if it's harming something that can feel. That price should be too high for anyone to pay.
Ethics ARE advancement. Advancement without ethics is degeneration and failure. These people want to make us an inferior species like an ant colony. Imagine taking an organic quantum supercomputer, and turning it into a 90s Dell PC. We have people able to adapt and suit ANY role, but these people want to create a special class of genetically and technologically crafted people... just so they can FINALLY pretend they are "sUpErIoR". It's like, if bro needs to become a genetically altered cyborg to say he's superior to Mme, then he genuinely never will be. Dude would still be Mmy inferior as a god, cuz of his fundamentally flawed philosophy and self-concept. None of this advancement comes within a single hundredth of a percent the capability humans have as healthy: communities, families, and individuals. This is why Ethics exist, to keep Society Healthy. It's practically Mother Nature saying: "Dipshits, you cannot surpass Mme until you understand why The Golden Rule of Jesus conquers Karma!"
@@SeánybruvI’m new here. Tell me he doesn’t say “a avatar” normally? “An” should always go before a word starting with a vowel. We learn that in primary school.
The human brain uses so little energy due to the fact that it has the ability to use quantum entanglement to “calculate” or figure out things. That is what makes us sentient.
The fact that many of them grow eyes even if they’re just very simple ones, really creeps me out and gives me this very icky hard to describe feeling. A being’s sentience is highly limited if it lacks any ability to sense its environment, as soon as you give it that ability it becomes infinitely more complex and difficult to decipher whether it’s on the level of an amoeba, a rat, or a full blown person.
I'm waiting for the SOMA esk ARK. I just hope I win the coin flip. Presumably our consciousness copy can look like whatever, so there's an alternative to be the furry we all want to be.
We are not able to tell if a particular behaviour is actually associated with sentience aka conscious experience. It's not possible to tell whether a certain system is associated with an internal perspective or just mechnacally functioning. However in doubt we have to assume brain tissue is sentient and use the behavioral correlates of our own experience as the basics for ethical standards.
As an omnivore... I enjoy meat & veggies. I don't enjoy the abuse of animals. They need to have the best life possible before becoming food, they should be praised as they become food. I believe animals, plants & everything in between are sentient. But I believe in the food chain too.
@MictheVegan Hello! I have Multiple Sclerosis and the early on set of Dimintia. With that said, I'm over fifty and have led a great life. An MRI of my brain looks like a road map to hell. I'm curious if these little chucks of brain could fill some of the holes in a person's head? Not that I'm signing up for brain surgery. But younger folks in my condition could benefit from the patchwork. I'm actually looking forward to being "that guy" once I make it to a nursing home. Anyone who is suffering from MS please be brave and keep your chin up. Much love and remember, if you can't personally change something, don't stress over it. That simple rule has kept me somewhat sane and happy.
If I were you, I would actually sign a waiver to participate in clinical trials once the condition gets bad enough. It's unlikely to save you, really, but the possibility exists. I don't think your future insane self would mind surgery as much.
Saying this I am by no means implying I hate or dislike anything to do with your life choices etc.. but I’m grateful that I had no idea purpose behind this video had veganism in mind until like 18 min into it (admittedly noticed some minuscule comments here and there but still) - I appreciated it for the entertaining information and scientific subject matter none the less, it’s totallyy crazy what science is (and obviously will be) getting into these days and in the future…
I'd say we should stop once these brains are at least as intelligent as a rat. At that point, unless we can give them proper interaction with the world, it's torture. Currently, they're about 5% of the way there. They lack all signs of sentience.
Oh, yeah, my research center has some of those li’l brainy bois. We keep most of them on ice, of course, but the lab that works with them is studying them to find bio markers for traumatic brain injury. Cool stuff.
Given enough time, organoids living in a simulated reality we've created for them, would eventually create their own organoids and have the same ethical discussions
The sentence...a tree is sentient, so is ant, so is Protozoa. It's very far from human sentience, same for organoids. I would be worried about questions like "do they have immortal Soul"?
@Betonoszlop No, it's absolutely wrong and deeply unethical. Humans have no right to manipulate the minds and lives of animals. We have already caused enough harm to them, and we should not be interfering with their natural existence. If, through these inhumane and immoral experiments, animals were somehow to develop a full conscience - the ability to discern good from evil, as humans do - they might eventually be held accountable for their actions. However, that would be highly unfair, as they are at a significant disadvantage, living in a world dominated by human error and cruelty. Their physical bodies are not built for complex creative or cognitive tasks, which would make it nearly impossible for them to compete with humans or thrive. Furthermore, their natural instincts are not designed for ethical reasoning but for survival, with some even equipped for hunting. Animals have long faced immense injustice and suffering, and now, humans seek to impose even greater suffering by altering their minds and then holding them accountable for actions deemed criminal? Such a world would be horrifying. May we, as humans, ultimately be held responsible for our actions, and may animals receive the justice they deserve.
Humans endow animal spirits with increased intelligence as we live and grow together they learn and reflect how they grew up peace love kindness and compassion for all living creatures on this earth
Great video! -- Future humanoid robots might or will upgrade themselves with these organoid brains. These organoid robots will become the top of the food chain on this planet.
You can také human Egg, extracted nucleus, putt under Egg one neuron of organoids. Cause Calcium wave and you have the potential of development. Or make the Egg fertilized and organoid is mother. Or do it else and it can be father.
Yeah its a case where in needs to be studied in the light because it will be studied no matter what, if people try to stop it its going to go underground. Its going to have massive positive impacts we just have to ensure it is accessible and regulated, laws need to focus on keeping industry and corporations from patenting this stuff though. In my opinion you should never be able to patent living things. Overall when it comes to the ethics department that is complicated, I dont care to make statements on what is right and wrong I just know it when I see it.
Why don't they just use these mini Human brains for brain graft operation on People suffering from severe brain damage or to replace missing parts of the brain after the removal of brain tumors?
I'm interested and excited to see where AI research leads but these are very valid concerns - I'm not sure what to think about organoids... Great video.
An organoid controlling a "butterfly" in a virtual world. Some people will be dull enough to believe that that's what the organoid is actually perceiving. That kind of pseudoscientific sophistry needs to be called out for what it is!
one experiment I tried which made me wonder about sentience was having a chatgpt type bot (I think it was claude ai in this case) "roleplay" an octopus being put through trials for sentience, since they seem like they satisfy all 8 criteria that are used for animal suffering - like avoiding pain, preferring analgesics to pain, making strategies to avoid pain or obtain analgesics, weighing pain against other goals, having centrally integrated senses, etc. To me this was odd because claude was smart enough, _given a textual description of the events an octopus would go through_ to produce the correct 'sentient' responses of an octopus. My question to claude was, "is this simulated octopus you are emulating through roleplay itself sentient in the sense of having animal rights? Do I have a moral obligation towards this simulated entity, given it's responses in a simulated scenario?"
I'd say... no. It's an equivalent to creating a fictional character and writing a hypothetical response to hypothetical actions. A written character does not have rights, because it does not actually exist in a physical sense. The same applies here.
@@rikuleinonen That's what's interesting to me about it. Because the synthetic intelligence is also written. Both run on electricity and transistor logic. Substrates and origins aren't really as important to me as functionality, though. Is this performing the function of a sentient being? If not, what's it missing? I can engage with the squid character and acting as the game master, introduce changes to it's environment, and the squid in turn is satisfying all of our existing criteria for sentience, or at least, behaving logically identically to something that does. So what's missing? That's what I find interesting. I think substrates - what something is made of - and origins - where something came from - are a lot less interesting than how something behaves. put the ai in a box and have it output controls for a squid robot, and replace me with an ai narrating what is happening in an actual environment, and we'd have a lot more convincing demonstration, for instance.
@@keirablack3051 it's performing the functionality by predicting what a sentient being would do. It does not think. The implementation is extremely different and silicon does not feel, experience, etc. It lacks a sense of itself, even if it acts like it has one. Thus, it does not deserve rights nor can it be considered a sentient being.
@@rikuleinonen silicon is the base metallic substrate of a transistor, one of the parts that makes up a computer. Human nerves use calcium and sodium. Neither calcium nor sodium can think.
Again, not really interested in arguments based in 'substrates' or 'essences' because that's not as interesting to me as _what_ things sentient beings compute with their wetware. And what insights we can draw from it. There's been a long intellectual tradition of privileging humanity as special - whether it's imagining all living beings have a vital essence, or that humans look like an omnipotent perfect divine being, or that the earth is the center of the universe, or the center of the solar system. It's all one flavor or another of self-aggrandizement. And _yet_ we definitely do still do some stuff computers can't yet do, so I'm interested in capturing what that is - and why. Atoms are not special, any silicon atom is like any other. any carbon atom like any other. the difference between me and say a pile of carbon and nitrogen and trace elements is how I'm put together, how those parts work as a system, how that system functions. that's what I'm interested in. Not a just-so story but how minds actually work and what they _do_.
So I have a string on my chest that I foresee as causing some viewers a lot of distress based on previous comments. We can put this one in the 'Top 10 Most Distracting/Bothersome Loose Threads and Hairs' list! Would it bother a mini brain?
That being said, who would you rather have driving your car if you had to choose, AI or a mini brain? Like 10 years in the future when they are larger. Would it not be vegan to use a mini brain? It's not a animal per se but it is alive!
I thought it was just my ADD, but I'm pleased to learn, everyone else is equally distracted. 😅
@@MictheVegan As silicon brains, aka chips, are going to get both more efficient, faster and more intelligent than biological brains, not to mention so much more _controllable_ this is likely a non-issue.
I hate this timeline so much.
Don't conclude anything before watching this 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] ❤
@@BlueNorth313 It hates you too
Augmenting the intelligence of non-human animals, followed by subjecting them to torturing research, is literally Rocket’s backstory.
Look into predictive programming, I don't doubt it's literally a story from some fiction.
@SirJesusTriangle-ir4if I really need to see it now!!
@@Fataltyler08Artists have always been able to see ahead of the curve
@@Fataltyler08Two things can be true.
It doesn’t make his statement false.
One may have come first but that doesn’t change the fact it is literally rockets back story.
@SirJesusTriangle-ir4if I assume you mean Guardians of the Galaxy 3.
The idea that organoid brain blobs suddenly develop eyes on their own is unsettling somehow.
It's like Krang from Ninja Turtles
that show there is code that automatically syncronizes them.. tough there is no research that reached big amounts of steps untill today... not the published ones atleast as we know :P all in all this automation partially signns sthe research will be easier then expected in general but analysing it correctly may take a lot as this may mean some other unseen dynamics are in action :P
I need them for the back of my head!
@@tanyakilbane7636you must have kids 😂 👁️ 👁️
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Aw, sweet! Man-made horrors beyond your comprehension!
“You may live to see man-made horrors beyond your comprehension.”
-Nikola Tesla
This reality sucks :(
It's even worse when you comprehend them...
There is lots of potential with the technology, but let's avoid creating sentient brain in a yars that have no body and are ultra depressed.
I comprehend just fine. Skill issue. But fr this is crazy asf
@@deliverus6856 , it is a meme, chill.
@@eng.miroslavmanahilov1944m8 they are also joking
Dog: (finds a cure for all diseases)
Scientist: "How did you do that?"
Dog: "The compound boosts the immune system and...."
Scientist: "YES YES the antibodies, I get it, but how do YOU know?! I created YOU so how do YOU know?!"
GotG 3 reference. 🧠
I know it's a joke but that's the nice thing about being sentient, you can become smarter in certain topics compared to your peers and can help each other understand stuff easier and advance knowledge way faster.
Then there are the dumb people who think AI will doom us but they can't do anything we don't teach them to do, but to do that they need to be taught evil stuff by evil people or gain sentience and somehow be brainwashed into the humanity hating cult that's been so prominent and growing extremely fast for the past few decades.
14:35 I just wanted to point out that having the same brain signature as a 7 or 8 month old fetus is beyond the age of viability. Babies are born premature at that gestational age (28-32 weeks) every day.
This is gonna confuse so many people
It’s not because you are actually saved being premature that you will be totally “normal”. It is being discovered more and more that the premature individuals have a higher possibility of being born or later developing all sorts of mental disorders, disabilities, conditions from the very benign to the most severe conditions. Now I’m not a neurologist but am the parent of a premature child who is going through a very tough time just finding himself and with hindsight much more professional help should have been available to help him adapt to his situation. I also know he is not alone from family members own experience and from what I have encountered as far as information on the internet. So at a certain point we have to ask ourselves, are we just keeping these clumps of cells alive for our own sense of guilt? I understand nothing is perfect but how damaged and suffering is the lowest level of existence are we going to impose on an eventual child once out of the womb? I wonder how many times in the history of humans the thought “I wish I was never born” has been thought by suffering individuals. I’m ready to take the over every time.
As fascinating as this is, this feels like we're towing a dangerous line now ethically
This feels like a spy kids movie plot. Where they are making petri dish brains to eventually make super soldiers.
Yes! It is is disgusting and EVIL!
It’s an interesting ideal that is absolutely plausible, are there ideals or concepts you have on the subject? I’m unsure where this is heading but we should probably think of where it is indeed heading!
@@LucyKelly-jh5is It's actually intriguing. Just proves that science works
Didn't this literally happen in Spy Kids? Not organic brains, sure, but the 3rd brain IS an artificial brain.
@@LucyKelly-jh5is ...disgusting maybe, but why evil? Religious cultist, conspiracy theorist, plain insane or just misinformed, I'm curious nonetheless. Either way I strongly disagree.
They literally grew a human butterfly what
Butterman
MOTHMAN
Daoists going crazy
@@buddatobi*Daoists becoming even more zen
Oh boy!
So as a old man, i could get:
*Rocket raccoon/ anthro/ real furries
*Ceasar and planet of the apes
* cyborg killing robots
* a the united Nations Clone army and all of them being the same person.
"Yep, you'll still be here to see the magic happen fellow oldie!"
Don't forget Dark Angel.
In my opinion, the driving force behind any technological development is always purely curiosity. All other reasons such as curing diseases, winning wars, etc. is to obtain a budget. In order to succeed in limiting the negative sides of technological developments it is useful to first recognize what the main motive is. As long as researchers hide behind altruistic goals it is very difficult to create real supervision. By the way, curiosity is a very powerful force and we need to respect this instinct. Just remember that those who are curious are not able to know when to stop and at what pace to move forward.
Curiosity may be the capability that helps expand boundaries, but monied interests are there to influence at least half of the collective curiosity where it should be applied, and their particular goals. For example, the internet was started by DARPA under DARPA-Net, funded by uncle sam, for "defense purposes". That goal hasn't obsolesced with time..
@@LyricsQuest Of course, the desire to surpass the opponent is a very strong motive as well. No disrespect :))
I guess connecting them to computer hardware is like how neuralink works. I need to learn more about how that works
That's how they make the d-wave computers putting human brains in integrated circuits together as well as quantum computers the using human brains
Disembodied human brains an integrated circuits
Researchers: If I ever get a neurodegenerative disease never EVER hurt an animal in my name or to help me or to grab money from me. Thank you.
dont worry they wont..... in fact they care about animals so much theyve been working on ways to get rid of most us for the better part of 60 years... and unless your like 80 years old..... your gonna live to see it lol
This. If I ever go blind, I'll never consider for a second getting a -service- slave dog. We're not entitled to exploitation of others when things get rough.
@@BlueNorth313 lol imagine actually thinking like this
@@Louis-kw6yk lol imagine actually thinking you deserve others to slave for you just because you're doing badly.
@@BlueNorth313the difference between a service dog and a slave is, the dog’s life is made meaningful and more enjoyable by being able to help someone he loves. It is not oppressive to him. He has no need for monetary remuneration, material accumulation, or other human vanities. He has what he needs materially, he has security and stability, and he has love, and every healthy, socially-minded organism that has these things will enjoy giving back, within its means, to its pack, its tribe, its family, its mate, its friends, its comrades. A service dog is more than happy to guide you through the world, to serve a special purpose to you that is more than being an idle object of adoration. Do your parents have to pay you to nurse them in old age? Do your children have to pay you for the years you guided them through the world? Or are you happy to do these things with love? I have a gut feeling that people who think service dogs are slaves, are not experienced with having healthy, reciprocal relationships with other humans. Our working relationship in our wage based economy is a thousand times closer to slavery than a service dog’s working relationship to its human.
Mic, you are encountering alot of horrible things - and managing to be here standing for ethics and truth. How do you not stress out compietely? Your work is heroic. You are appreciated.
"I have no mouth and I must scream."
But in this version, we humans are the agents of tournament.
The island of Dr.Moreau
wild how unethical humans are.,.
@@robindao5SOME humans! NOT ME!
I'm just terrified.
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Mic you are my hero man👊💚
Fascinating, Captain.
Glad to see the reminders that we already devalue sentient beings ... gotta wonder about the future implications with this new science.
Are we literally creating immortal beings and then force them to complete meaningless tasks in a computer? What if we create a brain of 20 tons? Would that brain not only be alive, but experience life beyond what we can? Would it be too much intelligence to bear?
by your logic whales should be the smartest animals on the planet
@@zenyatta5064 cetaceans are very intelligent animals... ultimately more brain size doesn't necessarily mean more intelligence but also ultimately smaller brain size does mean less tissue which means less potential for intelligence. A well-encoded small brain can bean out a badly encoded large brain but, literally the more neurons the more computational power there is potential for.
@danielkruyt9475 I am jokingly trying to elude to his common misconception that brain size linearly correlates to intelligence.
@@zenyatta5064 The OP doesn't claim that brain size linearly correlates to intelligence, that's a really particular claim. They're just asking us to consider the situation where we create large artificial brains and the potential to create super intelligence therein. The potential is there. If you take a human's genetics and modify them only slightly to produce brains which are actually larger, they have the potential to be more intelligent than us by virtue of simple computational complexity theory.
Nuke, WOW, what a comment… [I see a very philosophical sci fi book in your idea. Title: The Great Brain Escape, or Gone With The Brain, or Brian The Brain Goes Snipe Hunting…]
Is this what happened to Rocket Raccoon in the movie Guardians of the Galaxy?
The Third Guardians movie shows how he came to be.
Part three does give us light on this. Some alien scientist group takes random animals from Earth and does brain modifications, along with some other things.
One warning to anyone who even remotely likes animals. This movie's subject matter hits hard. It does not pull its punches and wants to break your heart in two.
Nightmare fuel.
Don't conclude anything before watching this 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] ❤
Yup. Definitely creeps me out.
Indeed. What a wild time to be alive. You can learn to do anything and buy the equipment to do it or the mail order services. There's literally a content creator on here culturing brain cells to make an organoid chip to play Doom. Look him up. Crazy.
As a dog-human brain in a human body I can confirm that life aint sweet.
We are the way we are because of chemicals and and different parts of the brain working together. So long as scientists don’t give it the parts to feel pain or fear or anything else we should be fine.
The problem is you know someone will.....
PainBot™
The horror isn't at all the possible outcomes of this, but what torture the lab animals experience daily.
Edit: I do not at all mean nothing bad will come out of this, but that it isn't comparable to the horrors of animal testing. And most importantly we shouldn't focus, like we always do, on ourselves.
How many problems, ethical, health and environmental, would be solved if the world went vegan? Instead, we have all this horrific, evil, ludicrous claptrap. Thank you for the video.🌱❤🌱
I think its both 🌈 and probably something we cant even perceive too
@@gabl1459 It's definitely both.
@@berniv7375 You want to volunteer to be science's guinea pig, be my guest.
Say that after a theres a world changing discovering
This technology is the definition of hell is other people. 😂😭
Thanks!
This was the plot for Deep Blue Sea.
A human brain, inside a computer, with internet access, integrated with countless AIs, connected to other human brains inside computers
we don’t really know what suffering is. we don’t know if it is intrinsically part of how computation in brains works or if it can just be switched off. hopefully it is the latter and we do switch it off
Aargh it is so frustrating when most people give more “rights“ and “consideration of interest“ to a small clump of human cells than they do to living breathing sentient beings simply because they are not human. 😢
Humans are more valuable than other animals. Bad take.
@@LiliumCruorem Eh to humans sure but objectively no.
@@worlds-biggest-mbn-fanboy Objectively yes, notice how we were designed in God's image, what other species have you seen here make it to the moon? I think it's funny when people use words like objectively like you don't know shit buddy.
@@Fataltyler08 Well no because God doesnt exist as far as we know, and secondly us landing on the moon doesnt make us more important than idk microbes its good to be humble ya know ? Also other species arent as deranged as we can be sometimes so our intellect is also a double edge sword.
@@Fataltyler08I don't think using religion to ethical questions works very well, in particular in the start of the argument
Furries are coming to life fr fr
"🐱🍑💦"
Scientist: We have gave you a stroke.
Mice: ...
Scientist: Do not worry, we replaced the damaged are with a organoids with human brain cells.
Mice: ...
Scientist: thing is, you may now be aware of your own suffering.
Mice: AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
Does it count as body horror when there is no body?? 🤔
What if aliens did this to humans and that’s who’s flying the UAPs 👽🛸
Animals are getting a lot smarter on their own. Like they watch us and it got them thinking. you’ve got animals who can use pushbutton language to with their people about abstract thoughts and emotions. Many wild animals are losing their fear of humans because they know that we can do rescues that they are not able to do. They will literally encounter problem in the wild and then run out to the freeway to get humans to come back to help with what they heard or their family is challenged with. Their language between each other is changing.
@@playinglifeoneasy9226 it's fascinating, yeah. Humans shape the environment around them. Animals evolve to suit that environment. This is only the beginning, some species are already entirely dependent on cities to survive.
They're already doing it whatever they tell you they're doing something they've been doing it for a long time
We are getting closer to The Secret of NIMH as a possible future.
And the mice will suddenly be able to read English.
this is some of the most distrurbing, scary sh*t i ever seen.
Don't forget about the story, "The Island of Doctor Moreau".
I want one in my pinkie finger so I can finally tell someone “I got more brains in my little finger than you got in your whole head” and at least have a little legitimacy in the argument.
It wasn't, "rumored to be" That was literally the plot of the Matrix
The only thing is we draw a reasonable boundary to how much we can advance with this otherwise this is fantastic and doing this with other organs should be limitless .
Fascinating. Makes me want to watch The Rats of NIMH again.
I guess we're heading towards All Tomorrow's
We are now the Qu
I LOVE YOU DOING DIFFERENT TOPICS LIKE THIS! so much fun ❤🤖🧠
Poor raccoons
They’re already too smart, ppl just don’t notice
This is danger, they will force we to work to them, but at least will upgrade our house
I like to think that one day people will personally experience the feeling of being one of their experiments and there being an initial acceptance as though it’s not that bad. But then the ethical comparison of computing power and the relative experience of trauma over such a proportion of lifetime would encourage people to experience the subjects experience as many times as it becomes relative in terms of length of experience. This would drive people mad. Gotta program the pain receptors out, but then would it be as effective as learning from feelings? Super weird thoughts. All love.
The brain itself doesn't have any pain receptors. And these "disordered" impulses they use to teach the brain aren't painful in any capacity, they're the same with "ordered" ones in power level
The closer we are to having intelligent animals the closer we are to having the ideal world like in Animal Crossing.
The "pit of despair" experiment, if you can call it that, is echoing in my mind. I don't really care how much it advances science if it's harming something that can feel. That price should be too high for anyone to pay.
I don't know why people still search for ethics in advancement...
Ethics ARE advancement. Advancement without ethics is degeneration and failure.
These people want to make us an inferior species like an ant colony. Imagine taking an organic quantum supercomputer, and turning it into a 90s Dell PC. We have people able to adapt and suit ANY role, but these people want to create a special class of genetically and technologically crafted people... just so they can FINALLY pretend they are "sUpErIoR".
It's like, if bro needs to become a genetically altered cyborg to say he's superior to Mme, then he genuinely never will be. Dude would still be Mmy inferior as a god, cuz of his fundamentally flawed philosophy and self-concept.
None of this advancement comes within a single hundredth of a percent the capability humans have as healthy: communities, families, and individuals. This is why Ethics exist, to keep Society Healthy. It's practically Mother Nature saying: "Dipshits, you cannot surpass Mme until you understand why The Golden Rule of Jesus conquers Karma!"
Wtf, wow - how far will our toying with the species go?
Till we're immortal and probably beyond.
3:08 the only time Mic says an before a vowel sound is when reading someone else's words.
And*
@@bryant475no. I'm referring to when he says 'an avatar'.
@@SeánybruvI’m new here. Tell me he doesn’t say “a avatar” normally? “An” should always go before a word starting with a vowel. We learn that in primary school.
wait... how is this on vegan channel?
I just have no idea..
Oh boy the future is Blade Runner.
Pinky and the Brain!
The human brain uses so little energy due to the fact that it has the ability to use quantum entanglement to “calculate” or figure out things. That is what makes us sentient.
The energy efficiency is amazing. Quantum leaps ahead of silicon substrates.
I see absolutely no problem whatsoever with developing technology using mini brains.
The fact that many of them grow eyes even if they’re just very simple ones, really creeps me out and gives me this very icky hard to describe feeling. A being’s sentience is highly limited if it lacks any ability to sense its environment, as soon as you give it that ability it becomes infinitely more complex and difficult to decipher whether it’s on the level of an amoeba, a rat, or a full blown person.
I think this is real cool. There's so much we can learn and if course these animals wouldn't know any different.
hooray, waiting for anthros.
I'm waiting for the SOMA esk ARK. I just hope I win the coin flip. Presumably our consciousness copy can look like whatever, so there's an alternative to be the furry we all want to be.
@@ElderonAnalas yeah, you certainly got the spirit
We are not able to tell if a particular behaviour is actually associated with sentience aka conscious experience. It's not possible to tell whether a certain system is associated with an internal perspective or just mechnacally functioning.
However in doubt we have to assume brain tissue is sentient and use the behavioral correlates of our own experience as the basics for ethical standards.
This actually amazing I am so excited for wetware to be commonplace!!! Always keep up with the progress. Humanity is on the right track!
As an omnivore... I enjoy meat & veggies. I don't enjoy the abuse of animals. They need to have the best life possible before becoming food, they should be praised as they become food. I believe animals, plants & everything in between are sentient. But I believe in the food chain too.
that said, what makes animal testing less ethical than testing on humans, specifically small sample of human tissue or brains
Good God what's next, prehensile thumbs?!? 🤣😂🤣
Don't conclude anything before watching this 👉 The Connections (2021) [short documentary] ❤
we should probably have the senior citizens in congress decide how to proceed with this info
It's like Rick and Morty.
Robot: "What is my purpose?"
Rick: "To pass butter."
Robot: **looks at hands** "Oh my god...." 😢
@MictheVegan Hello! I have Multiple Sclerosis and the early on set of Dimintia. With that said, I'm over fifty and have led a great life. An MRI of my brain looks like a road map to hell. I'm curious if these little chucks of brain could fill some of the holes in a person's head? Not that I'm signing up for brain surgery. But younger folks in my condition could benefit from the patchwork. I'm actually looking forward to being "that guy" once I make it to a nursing home. Anyone who is suffering from MS please be brave and keep your chin up. Much love and remember, if you can't personally change something, don't stress over it. That simple rule has kept me somewhat sane and happy.
If I were you, I would actually sign a waiver to participate in clinical trials once the condition gets bad enough.
It's unlikely to save you, really, but the possibility exists. I don't think your future insane self would mind surgery as much.
Imagine you get a computer with a "neural os" and it gets visibly depressed when you don't play on it
Saying this I am by no means implying I hate or dislike anything to do with your life choices etc.. but I’m grateful that I had no idea purpose behind this video had veganism in mind until like 18 min into it (admittedly noticed some minuscule comments here and there but still) - I appreciated it for the entertaining information and scientific subject matter none the less, it’s totallyy crazy what science is (and obviously will be) getting into these days and in the future…
we should maybe stop.
We can't stop innovation
I'd say we should stop once these brains are at least as intelligent as a rat.
At that point, unless we can give them proper interaction with the world, it's torture.
Currently, they're about 5% of the way there. They lack all signs of sentience.
"The question is not can they reason, nor can they talk, but can they suffer? Why should not the law extend protection to all sensitive beings?"
@@healthyplanet-b5z but can these ones suffer?
@rikuleinonen I'm sure they can. Isn't that the essence of a brain, to sense stimuli?
Reminds me of the SciFi trove about ‘uplift’ where animals are endowed human characteristics through genetic engineering😅
planet of the squirrels..
coming up to the theaters near you!
Oh, yeah, my research center has some of those li’l brainy bois. We keep most of them on ice, of course, but the lab that works with them is studying them to find bio markers for traumatic brain injury. Cool stuff.
Narnia here we come!
No. In Narnia, the animals were not slaves and prisoners, kept as entertainment. They were free, and able to live their own lives.
@@LucyKelly-jh5is Who cares, i want to play chess with a beaver
Cool talking cats and dogs.
Yes, but will looking out the window all day still be satisfying to them?
Given enough time, organoids living in a simulated reality we've created for them, would eventually create their own organoids and have the same ethical discussions
The sentence...a tree is sentient, so is ant, so is Protozoa. It's very far from human sentience, same for organoids. I would be worried about questions like "do they have immortal Soul"?
Scientists can be terrifying sometimes.
There are really no limits what humans can potentially do
They need to be stopped.
@@HowlingMoonCinemas I agree, but planet of the apes scenario seems imminent
@Betonoszlop No, it's absolutely wrong and deeply unethical. Humans have no right to manipulate the minds and lives of animals. We have already caused enough harm to them, and we should not be interfering with their natural existence. If, through these inhumane and immoral experiments, animals were somehow to develop a full conscience - the ability to discern good from evil, as humans do - they might eventually be held accountable for their actions. However, that would be highly unfair, as they are at a significant disadvantage, living in a world dominated by human error and cruelty. Their physical bodies are not built for complex creative or cognitive tasks, which would make it nearly impossible for them to compete with humans or thrive. Furthermore, their natural instincts are not designed for ethical reasoning but for survival, with some even equipped for hunting. Animals have long faced immense injustice and suffering, and now, humans seek to impose even greater suffering by altering their minds and then holding them accountable for actions deemed criminal? Such a world would be horrifying. May we, as humans, ultimately be held responsible for our actions, and may animals receive the justice they deserve.
Humans endow animal spirits with increased intelligence as we live and grow together they learn and reflect how they grew up peace love kindness and compassion for all living creatures on this earth
Someone is going to make an LLM with these, and then it will be very hard to argue it is not sentient/aware/etc.
Great video! -- Future humanoid robots might or will upgrade themselves with these organoid brains. These organoid robots will become the top of the food chain on this planet.
You can také human Egg, extracted nucleus, putt under Egg one neuron of organoids. Cause Calcium wave and you have the potential of development. Or make the Egg fertilized and organoid is mother. Or do it else and it can be father.
Yeah its a case where in needs to be studied in the light because it will be studied no matter what, if people try to stop it its going to go underground. Its going to have massive positive impacts we just have to ensure it is accessible and regulated, laws need to focus on keeping industry and corporations from patenting this stuff though. In my opinion you should never be able to patent living things.
Overall when it comes to the ethics department that is complicated, I dont care to make statements on what is right and wrong I just know it when I see it.
Why don't they just use these mini Human brains for brain graft operation on People suffering from severe brain damage or to replace missing parts of the brain after the removal of brain tumors?
The fact that they grow eyeballs creeps me out the most.
I'm interested and excited to see where AI research leads but these are very valid concerns - I'm not sure what to think about organoids... Great video.
The Hubris of Science is entirely Boundless by design
20 watts isn't the brightest bulb. It checks.
I refuse to eat any animal intelligent enough to recognize itself on the mirror.
The rest is on the menu.
I'd eat human meat
@@jamueI humans have high cognitive functions.
i know
@@jamueI just a vegan troll trying to make a point
I'm not vegan
An organoid controlling a "butterfly" in a virtual world.
Some people will be dull enough to believe that that's what the organoid is actually perceiving. That kind of pseudoscientific sophistry needs to be called out for what it is!
As long the beavers aren't angry, I'm okay with this.
It could never be okay. Whwt if someone engineered you to be a homosexual male prostitute and to be happy with that? Would that be okay?
It is not okay to determine the fate of others. Everyone must be free to make their own choices.
Time to get some Flowers for Algernon
The Chinese Meatball robot's brain looks like something kids will be doing as a biology assignment in like 15 years
one experiment I tried which made me wonder about sentience was having a chatgpt type bot (I think it was claude ai in this case) "roleplay" an octopus being put through trials for sentience, since they seem like they satisfy all 8 criteria that are used for animal suffering - like avoiding pain, preferring analgesics to pain, making strategies to avoid pain or obtain analgesics, weighing pain against other goals, having centrally integrated senses, etc. To me this was odd because claude was smart enough, _given a textual description of the events an octopus would go through_ to produce the correct 'sentient' responses of an octopus. My question to claude was, "is this simulated octopus you are emulating through roleplay itself sentient in the sense of having animal rights? Do I have a moral obligation towards this simulated entity, given it's responses in a simulated scenario?"
I'd say... no. It's an equivalent to creating a fictional character and writing a hypothetical response to hypothetical actions.
A written character does not have rights, because it does not actually exist in a physical sense. The same applies here.
@@rikuleinonen That's what's interesting to me about it. Because the synthetic intelligence is also written. Both run on electricity and transistor logic. Substrates and origins aren't really as important to me as functionality, though. Is this performing the function of a sentient being? If not, what's it missing? I can engage with the squid character and acting as the game master, introduce changes to it's environment, and the squid in turn is satisfying all of our existing criteria for sentience, or at least, behaving logically identically to something that does. So what's missing?
That's what I find interesting. I think substrates - what something is made of - and origins - where something came from - are a lot less interesting than how something behaves. put the ai in a box and have it output controls for a squid robot, and replace me with an ai narrating what is happening in an actual environment, and we'd have a lot more convincing demonstration, for instance.
@@keirablack3051 it's performing the functionality by predicting what a sentient being would do. It does not think. The implementation is extremely different and silicon does not feel, experience, etc. It lacks a sense of itself, even if it acts like it has one. Thus, it does not deserve rights nor can it be considered a sentient being.
@@rikuleinonen silicon is the base metallic substrate of a transistor, one of the parts that makes up a computer. Human nerves use calcium and sodium. Neither calcium nor sodium can think.
Again, not really interested in arguments based in 'substrates' or 'essences' because that's not as interesting to me as _what_ things sentient beings compute with their wetware. And what insights we can draw from it.
There's been a long intellectual tradition of privileging humanity as special - whether it's imagining all living beings have a vital essence, or that humans look like an omnipotent perfect divine being, or that the earth is the center of the universe, or the center of the solar system. It's all one flavor or another of self-aggrandizement. And _yet_ we definitely do still do some stuff computers can't yet do, so I'm interested in capturing what that is - and why. Atoms are not special, any silicon atom is like any other. any carbon atom like any other. the difference between me and say a pile of carbon and nitrogen and trace elements is how I'm put together, how those parts work as a system, how that system functions. that's what I'm interested in. Not a just-so story but how minds actually work and what they _do_.
Does this mean we don’t have to spend billions and trillions of dollars on school any more?
Thanks for sharing!