Beef Industry Study Finds Plant Protein Equal to Meat
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This beef industry study compared beef and plant protein for muscle protein synthesis, here are the results.
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"The improved net balance in CHO was due primarily to a progressive decrease in muscle protein breakdown."
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Good for that doctor for chaning his mind on plant protein after the data came out. That's some serious integrity. Most people are not able to admit they were wrong
This integrity is very precious indeed.
Great episode. My bet is they had to publish this because of the NIH funding.
Yep! 😂😂😂
Intriguing observation.
Or just perhaps, they have ethics like good scientists do. As is often said, it's intellectually lazy to focus on the funding source. At the bottom it says, "All authors report no conflict of interest." Funding doesn't mean there is censorship.
"people aren't relying on whole wheat"
Me finishing off the last bite of an entire soughdough loaf "no no...that would be crazy...."
I get almost all my protein from wheat in one day all the time.
@dj-fe4ck yeah me too I eat way to much bread
@madthough2298 I don't think it's bad to eat as much as you want if it has no bad ingredients.
I ate about 2 pounds of organic sourdough bread last night.
Funny. I was thinking the same thing
The attitude that adding more protein will increase muscle is like throwing engine parts under your car bonnet and expecting the engine to get more powerful. It only works if you do the hard work so that the engine works better. It's also worthwhile remembering that big muscles aren't necessarily more powerful, just as is the case with car engines. Muscle has quality as well as quantity.
Very true. Power lifters tend to have smaller overall muscle size as compared to body builders but also tend to be stronger on a similar height basis. Meanwhile, male chimps which tend to have a fairly high plant based diet, tend to have significantly stronger muscles per weight than human males.
Oh sure, let's keep fueling that car even though the tank's already overflowing onto the ground. Because, of course, the fear of not reaching the destination is just too real, right? So why not just keep flooding it? And yeah, let's keep chugging down protein like it's going out of style, even though it's literally pouring out the other end. That's totally the way to go!
I love this analogy hahahah
Your point at 14.50 is spot on
If this study found the plant protein was inferior, we would've seen this study all over the news. Since it found no difference, the study remains obscure.
the mere concept of 'incomplete proteins' was introduced by a journalist in vogue magazine in the 1970s. this journalist later admitted that they only made up that vegans had to combine proteins because they wanted to encourage vegans to eat more calories in general (which would be a side effect of eating a variety, they supposed). it's hilarious in retrospect that this idea has permeated our culture so deeply that it's even arbitrarily conceptualized in nutritional research
not only that it's in the UK food and nutrition GCSE curriculum!
From a google search: 'The “incomplete protein” myth was inadvertently promoted and popularized in the 1971 book, Diet for a Small Planet, by Frances Moore Lappé. '
Amazing!
I asked ChatGPT for additional reference and got this: The idea that plant-based proteins are incomplete and must be combined to form "complete proteins" was popularized in the 1971 book Diet for a Small Planet by Frances Moore Lappé. In her book, Lappé suggested that plant-based eaters needed to carefully combine different protein sources, such as grains and legumes, at the same meal to ensure they obtained all the essential amino acids.
However, this concept has since been debunked by nutrition science. It is now well understood that as long as a variety of plant-based foods are consumed throughout the day, the body can pool and combine amino acids to meet its needs. The American Dietetic Association and other experts affirm that a well-planned vegan or vegetarian diet provides all essential amino acids without the need for specific combinations at each meal.
Lappé herself revised this claim in later editions of her book, acknowledging that her initial stance was overly cautious.
Yes but since then it has been learned that many plant foods are low in methionine or leucine relative to what would be ideal. Eating some grains and some beans OR eating lots of peas works fine. Honestly if you go >20% protein by calorie and aren't in a deficit you'll definitely hit the Leucine and methionine targets
Well, I know our bodies are different to other animals, but the fact the strongest animals on earth are herbivores is a big hint.
The strongest land animals. I imagine blue whales are stronger than rhinos, tho I'm not entirely sure 🤔
@@edgbarra Cetaceans likely evolved from ancient herbivores.
You want a hint? We look, sound, and swing exactly like monkeys... not cats, not dogs... the ONLY other animal species to eat meat.
True, but just don't mention Sloths or Slugs!
It's evidence. ✌️
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....so Dr McDougall basically had it correct in 1983?
Correct. He was viewed as pretty extreme at the time, and especially in the early 2000s when we became carbophobic, but his starch hypothesis is aging pretty nicely.
@@falsificationism, carbophobic? Do you mean after recognising carbs are bad, the public has become biased on some issues?
Came here to say this as well. McDougall called it 100%
@@wserthmar8908 carbs removed from their fibers are the problem not regular whole foods
1983 1993. 2003 2013 2023
Carnivore cope incoming... how will they obfuscate or willfully misinterpret the date I wonder
they ignore science altogether
“It only studied middle-aged women lmao, not significant for MEN like me.”
😂 what’s the word for when you’re getting ready to reject any and all criticism? Yeah that’s basically what you’re doing.
@@abdula16Wow relying on anecdotes.
these begans already got they guns loaded for argument
I'm glad they had to publish, but I'm absolutely fed up with industry-funded "studies" engineered toward producing marketing material being referred to as "research" or "science." If it's not trying to find something out, but is instead deliberately manipulated to hide what is already known, it should at the very most be called "engineered marketing" as opposed to scientific research. I think there needs to be the equivalent of consumer protection laws for scientific research.
So true. Say it everywhere.
Agreed.
For those viewing this on a bigger screen, yes I knocked my camera out of focus but had to do some traveling so couldn't refilm it. I hope it isn't too distracting!
I eat all my protein from wheat in one day many times. Why are you pretending that no one ever does that?
Hey can you do one on omega 3 from plant based. They keep saying plant based omega 3s aren't as good. I'm super into being vegan though and I refuse to take Mercury filled fish oil.
Nvm I just saw you did a video recently lol.
@@bingsby9085algae oil is an excellent source.
Thank goodness. Stay away from meat. Remain vegan for as long as you live. God bless 🙏
They were probably so sure that the results were going to be what they wanted, that they agreed on all kinds of things, thinking there was no risk in that.
Oh well... I wish most people would know about this. After 10 years of veganism, a lot of my familly and friends still think I'm goind to die of proteins deficiencies lol! Just last week my aunt was telling me how her doctor was insisting for her to eat more animal protein as she ages, how important it is. I'm rolling my eye so hard that that I'm in pain lol!
We were at a familly gateringfew days ago, my grandmother just got 100 years old under her belt! I was telling my aunt, look at grandma, she's almost not eating meat and she is still living well, she has all her head, telling amazing stories about her life, she remember everything. She's not vegan, but she does not eat a lot of animal products. She's like me: she likes her vegies!
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There is some truth that increasing protein as we age and become elderly can be helpful, but it certainly can be plant based and that will also have less negative affects.
@@justinw1765when I put everything I eat on cronometer my protein is 80 to 90 grams per so much more than the recommended. I was quite surprised so it's likely we are eating enough as long as we're eating enough food.
Right I wil be eating a bean burrito and get asked by my family where the protein is. Um the beans. The protein is in the beans.
I highly doubt you need to actually consume 1.6g per kg of protein, these numbers are always really high. Maybe if you are a professional bodybuilder or something.
Not even. Only if yer on steroids
Only 17 people tho? Oh cmon. I almost shared this but the meat eaters I know would immediately shove the “only 17 people” in my face. Why!
Loved your video, going on 6 years being vegan, been bodybuilding for the better part of my life. Meat vs plant based no differences in muscle development. I literally thought I would waste away to nothing being vegan!! Boy was I wrong wished I went vegan 30 years ago.
Imagine all these damn cows getting protein from greens instead of protein shakes.
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Actually they're getting protein from their massive herbivore guts fermenting what they eat. The bacteria turn the fibre into fatty acids, and they sacrifice a portion of the bacteria every so often by dumping stomach acid on them to get protein. Humans cannot do this, by the way.
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Good luck eating greens sll day
@@varvarvarvarvarvar ......legumes, tubers, fruits, berries, nuts, seeds, mushrooms, seaweed, algae, bark, roots, herbs and so much more.
Great info! Thanks for a great analysis of this study, which--you are SO right about this---we would never hear about otherwise
Wow, gorillas will be relieved! (Does anyone really think that the miniscule, 1.6%, difference between human and gorilla DNA means that we humans must eat meat to build muscle?)
Good point!
A Gorilla lives to about age 35, has a total cholesterol level of about 245 mg/dL, has to spend 14 hours all day eating and still has to sometimes eat it's own poop to get extra nutrients from it's own low nutrient diet, it can't throw a ball anywhere as fast as a human even though it weighs 3 times as much as a human. A Gorilla does not eat raw beans like lentils or whole grains. It has a stomach pH of 7 where a human is 1.5 like a scavenger. It has tooth decay by age 30 from too much raw fruit and plant food. Is this the life that you want to emulate?
@@Jeffs60 The specific point was about evidence for or an example of abundant muscle growth capacity on a fairly strict plant diet. I don’t see how anything that you’ve posted here serves as a counter to that specific point. But maybe you can clarify.
@@Jeffs60 Yeah, I just fact checked that and found, "According to available research, a gorilla's stomach pH is typically around 1.9 - 2.2 when fasted, which is considered highly acidic, similar to other primates and most mammals with digestive systems designed for plant-based diets."
It is important to test fasted stomach pH because recently ingested food can greatly change the pH temporarily (in any animal, and the larger and more recent the meal, the more it can be temporarily changed, and also based on what was ingested).
Oh and humans, "The pH of a human stomach is typically between 1.5 and 3.5". This doesn't specify fasted, so that less acid range of 3.5 could come from non fasted testing (or a non healthy, non optimally functioning human sample). But when you average both the gorilla and human extremes out, it becomes quite similar.
Meanwhile, our stomach acid is on average half as acidic as obligate carnivores like various cats (and they have a much shorter digestive tract relative to their size).
Needless to say, you were _quite_ off about the pH of a gorillas stomach. Is objective truth the interest here or a belief-emotion based and manipulative narrative?
@@justinw1765 You are confusing stomach pH with colon and intestine, so my information is correct. The stomach pH of a gorilla is 7 and human is 1.5. If you want to eat grass and shrubs then your grocery bill will be zero for life.
Guarantee the oh-so-shameless channels like "High Intensity Health" and "What I've Learned" will completely misconstrue the findings, knowing that their audience never fact checks them.
Who needs to listen to those energetic, muscular beefcakes when you can listen to a frail and pale, squeaky voiced plant eater who looks half dead, right sir?
It's really great to know! I don't like to have to track my nutrition, I should be able to eat a balanced whole food diet and expect to have all the nutrition my body needs. Eating shouldn't be that difficult and technical.
Perfectly stated! ❤
Thanks for all the hard work you put into every video Mic! So nice to see a doc check out new research and adjust their position on the matter instead of parroting old narratives without looking into anything.
The concept of health in "The 23 Former Doctor Truths" book completely explains this. I wish I read it sooner.
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Thx Mic...much appreciated.
Years ago Gary Null undertook the egg project, comparing/measuring the egg (which is a standsrd for complete protein) against many plant based proteins. Complimenting them to yield complete protein. The plant based protein yielded an adequate protein profile as the egg did.
protein obsession is just a way to distract from the undeniable benefits of plant based. Industry and media don’t really believe the nonsense they espouse. It’s pure marketing b.s.
Another one hit out of the park!!! 🎉
Lol! Photoshop skills on that daily mail article
Stellar analysis, yet again, Mic! Thanks for all that you do!
As the offspring of concentration camp survivors, I grew up with the adage that ALL food is good food.
well it’s not. the soviet alies were the ones who cut off the supply lines of food btw.
When they test for insulin sensitivity they can either measure fasting blood glucose or a HbA1c test which gives an idea of glucose levels over a 3 month period.
I imagine they where sure that whole weat would score lower. Next time they'll use white bread or instant noodles
Or air 😂
If plant protein is so weak and incomplete, how come the elephant, rhino, hippo, the strongest animals that are an absolute unit, eat only plants? And how come the Lion that is the most popular carnivorous needs to sleep about 18 hours a day?
Those animals have a digestive system that depends on fermentation bacteria to produce nutrients and so in effect they are bacteria digesters.
Carnivores tend to sleep a lot because they eat very large meals infrequently and large meals take longer to digest and require more chemical inputs to digest.
Strongest does not mean smartest.
@@weareherbivores What about the fast twitch muscles? They're musculature is more about speed and reactions rather than the stamina of the herbivores or something.
@@Jeffs60Elephants are recognized as among the most intelligent animals in the world
Before I’m even watching, I’m sure it’s because people don’t actually need that much protein. The average adult only needs about 30g to maintain their body and 50g to gain muscle, and the rest is mostly peed out. (Protein supplement companies are trying to hide that one for sure) so it doesn’t matter if you protein-bomb your body, because you can only use so much protein and the rest is excreted
Edit: HAHA I KNEW IT! lol
Not just that... but excess protein is disease causing... the opposite of what is "common knowledge" ... breaking food down into parts is just silly anyway. Whole natural food is what we need, esp. raw fruit.
@@kwimms trust me, i know we don't need protein in that high of quantity, but my husband doesn't and refuses to listen to anyone but body builders, who notoriously don't care about their health or well-being
@@kwimms Excess protein, especially animal protein that has more sulfur based amino acids, do tend to add an acid load to the body that requires a lot of potassium (especially), sodium, magnesium, and calcium to counter balance (much less so, or much less effective are iron and manganese). And if you don't counter balance it with dietary electrolytes, then it has negative effects like inflammation and acidic build up in the tissues.
You cannot eat too much protein from grains and legumes
@@kwimmsI don't feel good eating only raw fruits and greens.
Haha haven’t even watched this yet but the title makes me laugh 😂😂😂
All plant foods have all essential amino acids do they not? Making them ball complete proteins?
They do indeed.
But they lack essential fats (dha/epa) and B vitamins. You must supplement these on a vegan diet. Even mic says so.
This is a very valuable video indeed!
They tried to stack the deck and the deck decked them. Lmao
I've been vegetarian for over 20 years, and I've never had problem getting protein in my diet. Granted I do eat some organic eggs, but that makes up a small part of my diet, which is about 90-95% plant based.
I drink a pumpkin / hemp seed smoothie almost every morning. It's organic raw cold pressed seeds, not an ultra refiend product like pea protein. Seeds are one of the foods vegans need to be eating more of, because they are high in iron, zinc, and magnesium.
I have loved beans since childhood and would die before I give them up. Rice and peas (red beans and rice) as we call it in Trinidad is one of our staple dishes in our culture that I have enjoyed since before I can remember.
I eat no nuts or seeds at all and easily get enough magnesium and zinc. There is nothing that nuts and seeds have that you can't get from fruits, vegetables, grains, and legumes.
@@dj-fe4ck Did you get any tests to verify this? Because for me, I wasn't getting enough iron. 1 serving of my hemp protein and I get almost 90% rda of iron for the day for a man. A lot of vegans and vegetarians have issues with low zinc and iron.
I'll bite, why dont you like pea protein? I imagine ultra refined would be more bioavailable, faster absorbing and its difficult as is to convert protein into unused energy
@@exploder09 I don't trust how it's processed. I don't know what chemicals / solvents are being used to process the yellow split peas. I prefer to go for low processed foods, to each their own though, no shade if use pea protein.
Also, hemp protein is more nutritious. My hemp smoothis has 87% of my iron and 80% of my magnesium for the day. So it's more than just protein, it's protein plus a lot of minerals.
@adim00lah I've never had low iron. I've only had it too high. My ferritin has been as high as 300 in the past. It should be under 100. If it's not under 20 then it's not too low. Grains, legumes, and potatoes are also high in iron, magnesium, and zinc.
"This study was not super large" is a gross understatement since it was based on only 17 middle-aged women. But it is a start. I hope someone is planning on doing another study with a much larger and more diverse population.
Another great video!🙌🏻
The study had 17 participants. Not a very large sample size.
So were those 17 participants superhumans or some type of freak of nature?i believe they were regular humans.
@Psartz It's just a very small sample size, most studies involve at least a hundred or more participants in order to minimize statistical noise.
@@kevinm4157 how anatomy and digestion of 17 people is different than 100 people?
@Psartz I guess you don't work with statistical data. Okay then, what's the difference between a sample size of 2 people vs a sample size of a million people? I think you should be able to figure that out...
@kevinm4157 there is a huge difference between sample of 2 people vs million people and sample of 17 people vs just 100 people.looks like you don't understand statistical data .
Great to know this. Thanks for the valuable video.
Good report
Mic mentioned this, but itd important to consider the samples used in the study, in this case i think he said 17 middle age females. There are many factors to consider and this study is in no way saying that a plant based diet is superior for a male athlete.
Not a vegan. Don't hate vegans. Just don't want people to jump to conclusions and potentially / accidentally spread misinformation. If you're vegan, i wish you the best and you definitely have my support. It is an honorable thing to do but doesn't mean us meat eaters are immoral.
God bless ❤
plot twist: protein isn’t good for you, neither is fat.
@@riceisnice444 why would fat or protein not be good for someone?
@ do they feed a healthy microbiome? do they clog your kidneys, arteries and brain? Do they fill up the muscle cells causing insulin resistance? do they acidify the mouth harming teeth? are they anabolic causing weight problems? do they create mTOR and tumor growth? do they thicken the blood making the heart pump harder? do they scar the endothelial cells in the veins causing plaque buildup? I could go on.
@@somnia3423 🎤?
Hey Mike, there is currently at least in my country an anti vegan movement that comes from a vegan itself name "Nico Rittenau". He basically claims that his girl friend treated her vegan anti nutrition by eating eggs again and that the reason for that is that we dont know all essential amino acids in foods so forth vegan is not the healthiest way and its better to eat eggs again. Just letting you know for some reason ^^. Have a good day thanks for the video as always.
It's so silly, these people know nothing about nutrition yet they can convince people who know even less than them that it's the "secret amino acids", and they just believe it.
So basically they are blamong the fact that they lacked proper nutrition on the diet 😂 okay
Dieser Typ 🤡
Is it a joke? Can you explain me how an only 30 minutes walk on a treadmill will challenge our quadriceps muscle enough to induce a significant muscle protein synthesis (MPS) in the vastus lateralis? Note that we speak on healthy women, we can assume they already have enough muscle in their thighs to walk half an hour, so no specific need to make more muscles in that part of their leg for a such minimal effort. They weren't running at high speed nor squatting with weights, just walking. Walking is great for the heart and the cardio-respiratory system but not really for quadriceps volume increase (unless it's hill/mountain climbing), believe me. It can minimally increase muscle mass in calves but weighted heel rises would be better for that purpose anyway. Endurance sports like walking aren't really that great to make muscle: you can compare a 50km walker and a body builder if you want to get an idea.
And by the way in the referenced study I didn't find anything about the 30 minutes walk. on a treadmill...so the result could even be that in sedentary middle-aged women MPS rate is the same whatever is the the protein source. What a discovery!
Another thing is there are absolutely no mention of the duration of the experiment: we can then infer that the duration was of just one day/ a few days. As 70% of the protein we use daily comes from recycling I bet the absence of differences in MPS could be due not only to the absence of real challenge for the quadriceps but also to the fact that most of the amino acids were coming from the recycling. (if you eat only wheat which is low in lysine as a protein source but get plenty of lysine in the 70% of amino acids coming from your body proteins recycling there will be no real deficit in lysine in the total amount of amino acids you actually use.
The study would have been certainly more valuable if lead on at least 30 days and with weight training, imho. We need a longer duration so that the deficient amino acids diet could end to have some statistically significant effects, and strength training to really challenge muscle and induce MPS in the challenge muscl in which the biopsies would be made. Generally in studies on MPS people do leg extensions and biopsies are made in the quads : it's unbelievable that in this referenced study authors have had the strange idea to do biopsies in quads for women walking on a treadmill (and why not biceps biopsies for women doing hip thrusts while they were at it?). It looks a bit as if they wanted to find no differences.
Given the small number of total vegans, there still have been lots of vegan athletes, including champion athletes, in track and field, long-distance running, football, power lifting, world class free climbers and ultra-marathoners, bodybuilding, gymnastics, etc. There was was vegan man and woman in their 60s who ran a marathon a day every day for 366 straight days. Hard to claim you can't build muscle well or maintain it well in the face of so many vegan men who have. Carl Lewis' best year in track and field was when he was eating a vegan diet.
@@HealingLifeKwikly "Hard to claim you can't build muscle well or maintain it well in the face of so many vegan men who have."
I didn't remember having written we can't build muscles eating only plant food in my message. My purpose was to point out the fact that measuring MPS in an unchallenged or insufficiently challenged muscle was very likely inappropriate to determine if a diet promotes MPS more than an other.
what about creatine ? or any other things ?
hey Mic, thank you for all your amazing videos. was wondering if you’ve read Genious Foods by Max Lugavere. it’s a nice book but still includes grass fed beef & salmon in his recommendations. the reasons he cites seem like potentially outdated so I’m curious :) cheers!
Well, isn't this just logic? Plants contain the same amino acids, so they should have the same results as long as the growth-factor aminos are of the same amount.
17 middle aged women consumed plants and lean meat and the synthesis was still less than the lean meat.
It’s very disingenuous of you to refer to it as *”the Beef Industry”* when we all know that the people with the highest shares in the meat industry are the same people who also dominate the agricultural industry. The same individuals are also evidently aware of the fact that it’s vastly more profitable to sell people highly-processed plant-foods than it is to sell them meat & animal products. Industry-studied produce results that the industry desires.
Try again, M’aiq the liar…
Don't act like there aren't ultra processed animal products...
@ Give me some examples.
@dragonofhatefulretribution9041 Sausages, ham, salami, meatballs, fish sticks,...
@@thelloydersvk5068 *“uLtRa pRoCeSsEd...”* 🤡🤡🤡
And still better for you than the standard Western diet, or anything plant-based!
@dragonofhatefulretribution9041 those foods are part of the standard western diet.
Beans baby!
Awesome! Is plant taurine also equal to meat? How about creatine? Uhh, carnitine? Carnosine? Vitamin B12? Heme iron? DHA? EPA? Vegan diets have loads of those too, right? Right guys?
actually, yes :)
@@kittymaid420 No, this is 100% incorrect, vegan foods contain none of the nutrients I mentioned. This is a dangerous delusion, and you need to be aware of the deficiencies of a vegan diet, so that if you are unwise enough to continue eating that way, you can at least know which things to supplement in order to reduce the damage the diet will do to you.
It wasn't even possible to be a long-term vegan without outright dying of pernicious anaemia until the process for making synthetic vitamin B12 was invented, for example. So if you don't know this (I didn't know it when I was a vegan 20 years ago), then you are liable to make yourself very unwell at some point.
All the other things I mentioned are important nutrients as well, that the vegan diet contains precisely none of. For some of them, like taurine, your body can make SOME, but you are also supposed to be getting some from your diet for optimal levels, and the only way to do that is via eating a lot of meat, or via supplementation.
@@CommodoreGrayumA total meat diet is deficient in nutrients. Even eating organ meats and grass fed cattle is no guarantee you won't be deficient. And it's very expensive!
Search this yourself.
Humans are not equipped to only eat meat. There are various physical indicators to support this too.
Why support the savage barbarity and horror sentient creatures meet their death from factory farms to the slaughter houses?
Besides, we can be fine on a plant-based diet.
@@8sun52 "A total meat diet is deficient in nutrients"
I've been eating this way for over 6 years and have only seen health improvements. Meanwhile, after 3 years as a whole-foods vegan I felt like utter dogshit.
"it's very expensive"
Not really, you can do it on less than £30 per week if you find bargains and eat cheaper cuts of meat, which are just as nutritious as the expensive cuts.
"Why support the savage barbarity and horror"
Cows and sheep in fields, animals having much quicker and less painful deaths than they would in nature, oh the horror.
"we can be fine on a plant-based diet"
No, most people can't, long-term (often even short-term). I definitely wasn't.
You're in a reality-denying, unscientific, misanthropic cult. The only people benefitting here are the big food and pharmaceutical companies.
@@CommodoreGrayum Leaving aside improvements, you're only eating meat and taking no supplements at all? Also, it is widely agreed with backed up research that a well-balanced/planned plant based diet supplies adequate protein. This study right here...
Unfortunately, too many people on a whole food plant-based diet, out of convenience, don't make sure they're adequately food combining for the protein. And they eat a lot of junk food. And they wonder why they don't feel that good. I can't speak for you but a lot of these people are on a junk food whole food plant-based diet.
You should search athletes on whole food plant-based diets and how it has improved their performance.
Well that's great that you search around for good deals. I guess you have to consistently find good deals every week searching around. Okay for you but not everyone has the time and cannot find good deals.
Also, grass-fed cows provide more omega 3 and CLA, vitamin A and E. However, the amounts could range from low to adequate. And it's more expensive.
Search 17 deficiencies of a carnivore diet. For vitamin c you would have to eat organ meats.
Yes. Pasture animals. More humane. That's about animal welfare philosophy...more expensive. But you said you're buying less costly cuts of meat.
Check out the RUclips trailer on the documentary "The Last Pig". This pig farmer couldn't take it anymore bringing his pigs to slaughter. They were free-range pigs that he treated very well. So there's that whole dynamic right there... He closed down his pig farm and opened up a vegetable farm.
Paul McCartney and Linda McCartney were eating lamb as they were looking out the window at some lambs playing in the field. And they looked down at their plates and made the connection. And became vegetarians. This story is quite common around the world. People making that connection...
A new Renaissance is beginning... Eating animals is unnecessary and old world...
What??? A more painful death in nature??? Depending on the area of the world, when a predator runs down a meal, the death is from clamping down on their neck cutting off circulation. The predator instinctively knows they have to quickly neutralize their meal so it can't get away. Even if they're not completely dead they bleed out very fast.
If animals don't meet their death by a predator they just die of old age. That's not painful like going into the slaughterhouse. And yes I'm aware of the ways they supposedly kill it quickly before being cut up. BS. A good read: "Beyond Beef" Jeremy Rifkin
Factory farms and slaughterhouses are a painful life/death. The factory farms are barbaric and painful to these sentient creatures.
I sense that you understand this too, as you have mentioned free range animals.
OK
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"the deck decked them!" 😂😂😂
Mike, you can't really count proteins that are being recycled by the body towards the amount of protein do you need in a day, right?
👍 Whole food plant based for the environment and health; vegan for the victims!
*Ask your city government to sign the Plant Based Treaty!* 🖖
All I know is when we switched over to being vegan my son went through a growth spurt so much that he ended up getting stretch marks on his back so I wonder if the American standard diet is also keeping us short and fat
Great!!!!!!!!
Thank you,
Mic the Vegan
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Hey, don't shit on whole wheat. I eat a crap ton of whole wheat bread every day 😤
Nice one mike as usual big fan
Amazing result 👌🙏🤩
Except those cyanogenic glycosides
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I can't tolerate using cronometer for more than a week and a half. (or any other calorie counting app. i do it the way i do my check book. in my head. it is accurate enough 98% of the time)
Awesome vid Mic. They most definitely would have buried it if they could have!
Publish everything!!! If it happened, show the people!!
I would love that "We're All Animals" Classic t shirt if I didn't already have a mountain of 2nd hand preloved t shirts and other clothes, shoes and everything else. I am happy to use my savings from buying stuff to donate to animal rights activists.
Lol.....
Why no full body exercise until the muscles are a little sore?
What is best vegan protein powder for bodybuilding and lowering appetite? BTW Methionine amino acid shortens lifespan, so plant based diet is superior for longevity!
I like the Complement brand of organic plant-based unflavored protein powder. Third party tested. No sweeteners, no fillers, no preservatives. Five organic ingredients: yellow pea, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seed, chia seeds and almonds. 🌱💪
@@WFPB_4_Life can you not just eat these things with some onion and holy garlic and a squeeze of lemon inna bun?
10 Random Reasons Why I’m Vegan - In An Infinitely Long List:
1. I’m vegan because when I read the Bible part that says “Thou Shalt Not Steal”, I came to realize that God also doesn’t want me to steal the freedom, family members, body parts, secretions or the right to live from dogs, pigs, cats, cows, chickens, turkeys, lambs, rabbits, or anyone if I don’t have to. 🌱
2. I’m vegan because I like to help the environment by not depleting the oceans of fish or to take the whales out, and force them to do tricks in swimming pools.🍉
3. I’m vegan because I don’t want to pay anyone to burn down the rain forests to grow crops for cows who we created in the first place. I’d rather that people not rape cows into existence to begin with. I’d rather eat the plants directly instead of filtering them through an innocent animal who doesn’t deserve to die. 🫐
4. I’m vegan because I don’t want to pay anyone to pin down mother cows & force them to be pregnant and then to kidnap their baby boy cow for the purpose of murdering them, just so people can steal their milk and sell it in stores to use for their taste pleasure. 🥦
5. I’m vegan because, I don’t feel right eating bacon, sausage, pepperoni, salami or ham, because that means paying people in the pork industry to cut the tails, testicles & teeth off baby boy pigs & kill them at just 6 months old. I just don’t want anyone to do that to them. 🍌
6. I’m vegan because I don’t want to just say that I think animals have moral value; I also want to show it with my actions. 🐷
7. I’m vegan because if you were the victim, I’d also protect you. 🍑
8. I’m vegan because I don’t believe that anyone’s eating disorder is ever the animals’ fault. Whether someone is overweight or underweight, because of psychological trauma, essentially, these are merely THINKING disorders, which a therapist can help someone overcome. There is never a justification to kill an animal just because of one’s own erroneous thoughts. 🍆
9. I’m vegan because I learned that eating eggs is unnecessary and that the baby boy chicks are being suffocated with their brothers in large plastic bags or macerated in giant bloody blenders just because they will never grow up to be able to lay eggs. 🍏
10. I’m vegan because I believe in learning, and in trying to undo the harm I did in the past and because, even though I will never be perfect, being vegan is such an easy way to do my best, to live my life in line with my own morals.🍇
Number 1 is not a valid reason. It is not forbidden by God to eat animals.
All 10 are wrong. Where I live there are many small family farms that grow fruits, vegetables, chickens and some other animals. These animals get free food, free shelter, free vet care, free friends to play with, they don't have to pay taxes or earn a living. There are many humans around the globe that could only wish to have a life this good. Don't all humans deserve to live a life as good as these farm animals? What you are writing about is factory farms which are just a recent micro blip in history. No person has to buy that stuff as you have a choice.
@Jeffs60 2-7, 9 and 10 are right. I'm not sure about 8.
@@dj-fe4ckIt is forbidden because it’s killing, and treating others in a way that you would never want yourself or your family members to be treated.
Thank you for the reminder. Vegan for the animals!💚
Hey! Wfpb vegan here but I have to ask, does a study only looking at 24h with an unsustainable intervention really matter? Well I guess it does to help contribute to the point that what you consume in a day for protein probably doesnt matter compared to across a week or month 🤔 it almost seems impossible to study on an amino acid basis a long term restriction and its effects on muscle gain. I mean who would even eat that way? Just thinking out loud I guess
The truth will win ☺️
Truth has already won. The beef industry obliterated itself.😂😂
I've been vegan for 4 years and veg for 10. I've got lots of chronic health issues. Some of my other family members are vegan and are fine and I'm glad that they can do it. Unfortunately i have gone back to some animal sources but it's definitely not out of desire or craving. I only buy at the moment from the least unethical grocery store free range chicken
Skill issue. Pretty lame to see your failure become these other animal's problem.
And you clearly are delusional talking about "least unethical" wtf?
Avoid high protein, IYKYK and follow Peter Rogers MD who spreads the most truth on these subjects.
Plant protein works for me. Gained about 4-5 lb of lean mass over the last 8 months or so with moderate resistance using dumbbells. Prob around 100 g protein a day or less. Do a 25 g protein powder/blueberry smoothie for breakfast before oatmeal. Eat a lot of peanut butter powder that's essentially a protein powder. Tons of chickpeas and other legumes whole or hummus lunch. Not much experience with tofu until this summer when I fell in love with crispy air fried tofu and eat it several times a week. What has me question these claims that you need 150-200 g of protein was my weigh lifting in the early 20s when I was the most muscular. Seems like back then 20-30 g of protein 2-3 times a day was all I consumed. Think there is a push for more protein because it's a moneymaker.
Cool video. ❤
I’m so excited for the entire world going vegan with the new evidence of veganism being very healthy for environment and people and all the animals will be free and i don’t wanna hear them say oh we need to keep the animals on the farm id rather them release the farm animals on their native grounds at let natural selection take its course smh
If it was done solely on women can the results still be used as good proof for men too?
Would gender affect the diet for worse or better?
I'm vegan myself and have just want to be able to refute arguments against studies I use to back my claims.
Weetbix is like like 98% wheat, maybe its not so crazy to have a whole wheat only meal? I don't usually just eat them dry with nothing else though...
I've noticed some breads adding gluten to the recipe. This would boost protein. Perhaps they used a similar bread?
It's good to know the researchers didn't try to change the results and have some integrity at least
@@plantbasedposerwhat do you mean by this comment. Are we supposed to eat gluten to digest more protein (or synthesize)
No, they didn't. Don't make assumptions.
So they just walked? I follow a vegan lifestyle but doubt these would be so close if the women (test subjects) did resistance training or intense cardio before the meals.
Women are not supposed to work out like men you have a 24 hour cycle we have 28days. It's best to rest or do light exercises while menstruating, moderate exercises during the follicular phase high intensity exercises during ovulation, high-moderate in the luteal phase. You might be correct with your assumption for like a period of time during our cycle. I can't guess your reasoning behind that statement so I'll just leave info you might not have heard of.
How much protein do you need?
@@Psartz me personally I think for health purposes around 100 grams of protein per day would be great. To recover optimally when training hard around 130 grams per day. But I could manage with around 80g per day. Bodyweight is around 88kg right now.
@@landerhendrickx3522 Exactly,Protein metabolism in the human body differs significantly from that of fats. Unlike fats, proteins are not stored for future use. When consumed in excess, proteins undergo catabolic processes, being converted into glucose, which can subsequently be stored as fat. The metabolic breakdown of protein is not entirely efficient and results in byproducts such as nitrogen and ammonia, which can place additional stress on the kidneys. Therefore, a high protein intake does not necessarily correlate with increased muscle mass, nor does it imply that the body will store the surplus protein for later utilization.
The synthesis potential is irrelevant if your body is unable to process one of those foods well.
Never use the ready grounded spices.
But, wash your favourite spices very well, leave them to dry for some minutes, or dry them on a warm pan, and then ground them by yourself, or use them as a whole spices if you haven’t got grinder.
Beware
There are some of non-vegan spices types are being nourished by the non-vegan products like the blood bones and etc., which can be found in the markets now, and which are could able to cause the inflammations and some more of the diseases.
However, make sure to find, investigate, and examine the products as much as possible you can before you consume them.
Whole wheat is a protein source.
Most foods are a protein source, but most foods are not an ideal primary protein source.
Eat your legumes, kids!
Wheat is a good source of pesticides!!
@@davidcarnivore430 BS
@DesertWalker-zf7eb You don't need to eat a super high protein food to get enough protein.
@DesertWalker-zf7eb ok. 👍
It's very strange that we have research showing we can consume 1.6g/kg, upwards of 2g/kg and see gains, especially, when we pee out a good portion on top of recycling a lot of what we have. Or can all things be true and our body just needs to see such an increase to utilize more seeing a lot of does get wasted? The human is fascinating!
Thanks
Someday they’ll learn. In the meantime I will take a break from this exhausting crusade. 🤺
Djokovic
At a wheat and got his protein
Not the best study. Not at all. 17 middle-aged women are not enough participants and excluding male participants reduces the accuracy of the results. The study doesn't show the total amount of food consumed (yes the calories were equal but the "mass/amount" of food needed to achieve 2000 kcal is a major factor. Think about how many beans you need to eat to reach your protein level. This is most definitely not the same amount on your plate as with animal protein sources). Plus it only measured a 24-hour window for protein synthesis. No details were given about other pertinent factors such as sport/weight/ etc. No one has even cited this study. It has not been peer-reviewed at any level, only released online. The very small amount of protein (25g) given was also very odd. I think you wasted your time. And your ungrounded presumption of "big beef" wanting to mislead is a strawman. This is just your invention and hasn't anything to do with this incomplete study.
Indeed.
I thought the same.
Sample size too small.
Female=/=male physiology.
Not enough time.
Meals not weighted.
Diets before the test?
For example, three very basic meals consisting of a medium bowl of beans (approximately 150g) with bread (approximately 150g) provide you with 70g of protein, which is more than enough. Now, just add some nuts for snacks, and it goes above 100g per day. That's why they say as long as you are eating different foods and enough calories per day, protein deficiency is non-existent.
@@Psartz Who eats "3 meals/day bread and beans"?? That's 300g of mass you need to consume every day for just 70g of protein and a few other macros. Even that small amount will pack your colon uncomfortably full. You'll need to eat twice that much. If you're an athlete who weighs over 75kg, 70g of protein is far too little. Another huge difference is that proteins are not broken down equally (or fats/carbohydrates for that matter). I eat once a day, get 130g of protein (animal), animal fats, and either legumes/vegetables as a small side and I don't feel "stuffed and bloated" trying to achieve that with only plant matter.
@damdampapa do you even read.that was just example i said.
@damdampapa people who feel bloated after high fibre foods don't have healthy gut microbiom.
and? glycine, astaxanthin, carnitine, taurine, B12, creatine, leucine..... All the shit you can get from 1 steak is far better than buying and eating a shit ton of vegetables.
plus all the digestive issues along with it
@@RagdyAndy Actually, eating lots of veggies is GOOD for your digestive system.
@@HealingLifeKwikly not mine.
Humans alienated from their natural environment are developing all sorts of mental bugs, like thinking they must eat what their food eats.
🪞you're supposed to look at the people you're talking to when you say something about them not in the mirror.
So what humans should eat ?
@@Psartz study your ancestors 50k generations, to find the answer, they have written your DNA Matrix.
not sure but don't the farmers feed their animals with vegetal proteins ?
Check out the discussion of raw milk and “tofi”/skinny fat on Overtime with Bill Maher this week. He even said “we need cholesterol”. !!! They were wrong on all points discussed.
I’m feeling a short….
artery clogged angry meat heads in the comments x_x
what wild plant food has an equivalent amount of protein as meat and can be eaten raw ?
Nuts
@@vioheubach3112 examples ?
@@macatak275
Cashew 30 grams of protein, almonds 25 gramms of protein
@@vioheubach3112 so how many grams of nuts would you need to eat to meet your daily protein requirements ?
@@macatak275
Me personally? Between 100 and 200 gramms.
It's not a *matter of whether you can get the same proteins or not, it is a matter of how well the body can absorb those proteins and how much. That is where the knoweledge and correct combinations of foods and herbs come in!*
If plant protein is building muscles same as meat why there is no one vegan who is big n got those gains being vegan from birth? All them were meat-eaters.
An amino acid is an amino acid.
@Mic the vegan I get all my protein from wheat in one day all the time. Many days I eat 2000-3000 calories of bread or wheat pasta, sometimes whole wheat and sometimes white wheat. There is also no difference in protein for whole wheat or white wheat.
Is it just me or are you a bit fuzzy?
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Its just you.