Also, the egg industry loves all of this promotion and has offered Nick a free year supply of eggs! In the video he got pasture raised eggs but that term has no legal definition and is humane-washed. The hens used to make these eggs do not have a good life. Final point for the vegetarians, the egg industry breeds laying hens and half of the chicks are male and are immediately killed generally. Health aside, I will be skipping the eggs. Side Note: I'll be the first to say I look a bit rough in this vid which is likely a combination between traveling, sawdust exposure, low sleep, and mediocre lighting. Just look back less than a week if you think this is some vegan deterioration or something.
@@MictheVegan and we agree.. i follow a animal rights activist.. i do not like the way our food animals are treated either.. But i do not like All the animals I’ve seen attacked and eaten by our local coyotes.. or when i fish.. the worms i put on the hook.. Where does it end? Every animal on the planet eat veggies? Do insects have rights also?
@@mygolfballsannoy We can't currently control what wild animals do. You can currently control whether you support the animal ag industry. If you don't like how they're treated then don't buy.
The egg industry once did a study comparing eggs to cheeseburgers to get positive results. Then the media reported that eggs are healthy. He's basically doing the same thing.
The same here. Vegan/vegetarian studies do the same... I eat everything. All these guys are all at the same level and like the attention they get. That's just sad.
@@liciniooliveira-becas3618 Big broccoli strikes again funding all the vegan studies. No but really the whole food plant based studies just compare to standard diet, it's not a trick, vegans just have lower cholesterol than keto, standard American, vegetarian diets, that's why some of the carnivores try to spin it as if cholesterol levels don't matter because otherwise they'd have to compare biomarkers to vegans and they don't like the results.
Have been a UK family doctor for 40yrs. Have regularly had patients drop down down dead suddenly from heart attacks and it's always a tragedy for the family. Youngest I saw was 30yrs old but there have been younger. You can take whatever risks you want with your life and high egg, meat and dairy intake is one of them. I changed to advising plant based when I started to look at the real evidence from studies which help people beat chronic disease. Thanks Mic for exposing this man who is truly messing with people's lives. Heart disease will get him in the end.
@@steveherridge8965If one looks up which people live the longest, it turns out to be vegetarian/vegans. The best results are for lifelong vegans but even when one changes to the vegan diet later in life, the benefits come pretty fast. I got rid of gouty arthritis and that was great as my hands were almost useless and was in a wheelchair from the pain in my joints. My mother also had gout and the tendency is inheritable. The best is to study it yourself as links posted can be slanted. I lost 80 lbs. without suffering from hunger. Vegans are generally the slimmest people. If you look around at the public, most people are overweight if not obese to morbidly obese. Dr. John McDougall, MD, Internist offered great proofs as to the improved health fir5hose going vegan. Lowered blood pressure, normalized A1C - type II Diabetics we’re getting off their meds in his 10 day program Most people enjoy his diet and stay on it your years, I should know as I am one of them as well as my husband.
One thing I don't understand about the carnivore influencers who are celebrating this guy's one-person, no-y-axis study: I thought that most carnivore dieters (and low carb people in general) didn't believe that cholesterol was harmful at all. Many of them brag about having astronomical cholesterol levels, and they explain away why cholesterol isn't bad. Why do they care whether or not this guy's cholesterol lowered?
Their messaging is all over the place. But it has to remain somehow contrarian of course. It’s like when we routinely see conspiracy theorists believing in conflicting conspiracies.
@@CharlieFader The point was to show the relationship between dietary cholesterol and blood serum cholesterol. That's all. I didn't hear any other claims. Did you?
@@Curbyourenthusi of this study? It certainly was not the point, because he added carbs that he knew would lower his sky-high cholesterol. Also, I was not talking only about him, but mainly all the carni influences that take the clickbait content he created and run with it.
I think he also replaced his other animal product consumption with eggs, and adding in all that fibre and antioxidant content from berries would help lower it as well. Doesnt he exercise a bunch too? Like there are ao many confounding variables right out the gate with this guy. Imagine all the overweight sedentary people that just end up eating more eggs because of this without adding blueberries and cutting out meats.
What he did does show on the pyramid. It's a case study. With not enough information. We should probably conclude that an increase in healthy carbs (fruit) dropped his LDL. He replaced meat with eggs and added fruit. Not a useful experiment by any measure. And yes, the high LDL he lives with is dangerous. He's just too young to notice right now.
not a useful experiment? would anyone have believed it if he didn't do it? now we know eggs don't raise cholesterol by themselves and we can research that further. also high LDL isn't an issue that's old belief, you can have high ldl and low vldl and be completely safe, small dense particles are the real cause of arterial buildup.
Again, I can lower my LDL dramatically by eating junk food and high carb food while gaining tons of weight almost to a point of obese and having LDL lower than 100, vs eating plant and meat only with no to very little carbs and be on lower side of normal weight and having a LDL of 300, are you saying my 300 LDL is more dangerous than eating all that junk each day everyday lol, and how much do you know about LDL, are you a doctor? At least I consulted with several top doctors in the world and they all not worried about my LDL, and by top I mean the doctors in Houston Medical Center, Baylor, Methodist, you name it.
I saw this article on my Google home news feed. (Maybe because I'm constantly looking up nutrition Lol) Glad that you decided to talk about it. Too many people will just see the title of those kinds of articles and tuck it in their brain without even looking further into it.
@@rod7944 Foods are relative to each other in terms of superiority. Blackberries, oatmeal, rice and beans, avocados are superior to eggs. Eggs are superior to chicken fried steak. If you want to eat eggs, eat them, but stop pretending they're the best.
@@RawandCookedVegan I never said they were best. I said a superfood. Just one of many, and I base that on all of the good things in them. Oatmeal? your kidding right? Diabetes waiting to happen.
I might try but I don't think I would be capable of doing it. I could easily eat 2 or 3 eggs a week for 1 billion dollars but more than that would be too difficult.
Nick is well known for doing other non sensical and highly publicized self “experiments” (with an n of 1). He previously did a similar “oreo experiment”. His baseline LDL is crazy high and he’s one of people convinced it’s somehow not dangerous.
Just like with climate change, if something doesn't have an immediate and tangible effect many people will just ignore it or even argue it isn't causative. No one would argue that smoking is good for you just because it makes you feel good in the short term and takes decades to make you sick, these advocates for high cholesterol and red meat are little different from the "more doctors smoke camels" advertisements from 70 years ago.
My father in law was a cyclist, multi-sporter, ran marathons etc after deciding to get healthy in his 40's, but had a very heavy animal foods diet. Had a heart attack in his 60's leading to a quadruple bypass. then a cardiac arrest a yr or so later and only reason he's alive is a ICU nurse just happened to live a few doors down from where he had it out cycling, giving 1st class CPR. Now he's only allowed to go for walks, gets tired really easily and has trouble with memory etc due to brain oxygen starvation at the time.
Of course, longevity in high animal diets is anecdotal, if there is a single person of 70+ at all any time in the history of humanity. Hope your father get to change his diet.
You do know if you do not consume much fat, your ldl will be lower righr? LDL is a Low Denskty Lipoprotein that transports fats in the blood to the cells in your body to be burned as fuel. It literally carried the fat around the blood like a car. So why would your body as a vegan waste its energy and much needed time to produce much LDL when you hardly consume much fat? Did you know insulin serves a similar purpose to LDL aswell? You having a high LDL would be like someone on a carnivore diet having high insulin levels aka insulin resistance despite not consuming any carbs at all Instead of listening to this doc, me or anybody on the internet, hit the books with differing opinions and go learn
@@shueibdahir That’s the whole point. Less fat, less LDL cars driving around the body, reduced APOB and decreased cardiovascular risk. LDLs role in cardiovascular disease is virtually undeniable at this point, I wonder what books your reading outside basic physiology textbooks. An understanding of mechanism is the very start and means little compared to actual outcome data, go read the literature.
@@JeffreysDharma You need to go back to school. Cholesterol does not cause anything except good health. There is no study in existence that can show otherwise. You live in a fantasy world listening to clowns like Mic the Vegan. "Studies" don't suggest anything as there is zero science available when it comes to what human beings eat and hard health outcomes from that. ALL so-called "nutrition studies" are epidemiology which means they don't have the power to show risk or cause and effect, only to form hypothesis which would then need to undergo rigorous scientific study which we can not do on human beings. Yes, there are tens of thousands of "studies" out there all making various claims that eating X causes Y etc. but all of those studies are just opinion pieces, theology. There is no science in the nutrition space as you can not do experiments on human beings and science requires experimentation. The next time you see a so-called "randomised controlled" study on nutrition just bear in mind that it is nothing of the sort. None of those studies are properly randomised or controlled. They are littered with confounders, co-variates, co-linearities etc. Simply put, they are not worth the paper they are written on. All human nutrition studies are epidemiology which does not have the power to show cause and therefore has no business using the word "risk" which of course they all do... eating X increases your "risk" of Y... we've all read them and they should all be disregarded as junk science. To be clear, you can not do experiments on human beings. To do a properly randomised, properly controlled study on human beings you would have to take multiple sets of genotypical/phenotypical identical twins and separate them at birth. You would then have to lock them away in identical laboratories controlling for every single factor such as when they went to sleep, what they ate, when they ate etc. with the only difference between each of the participants would be the very thing you are testing for. You would have to run this study for 40-50 years and then and only then could you write a paper claiming that eating X causes Y or eating X increase your risk of Y. This kind of study has never been done with humans and never will be for obvious reasons and even if you could get it past an ethics committee... good luck finding participants for such a study. So please, next time you see a headline in the paper claiming red meat causes cancer or cholesterol causes heart disease... please treat it as the junk science and propaganda that it is. You Vegans and your love of these nonsense studies make my brain ache. Are you really that stupid that you can't see what's going on here?
@@shueibdahir thats not what LDL does. Stop making up nonsense. Ones body has all the fat it needs to be burned as fuel. It doesn't need fat transported in the blood to the cells to do this. Fat is deposited in adipose tissue and fat cells. Carbs are what the body primarily burns as fuel over easy Zone2 intensities. Why cyclists eat 80 to 120g+ of sugar per hour to fuel their activities. Fat is always limited in races etc for this very reason. I think you're the one who needs to go back to school or otherwise you wouldn't be spouting bro-science nonsense like the above.
@@swites In fact, a lot / most of your cells utilize cholesterol as their buildingblocks and "cholesterol in your blood" when its transported can be used to repair damaged veins. If you have lower cholesterol your body will be somewhat impaired repairing damages in this context, so it can lower your risk of cardiovascular events ... that however, probably won't prevent you having other issues long term. Your body naturally tries to make as much cholesterol as it needs so only part of the dietary cholesterol is used / increased cholesterol in blood. IMHO, everybody should go back to "school" and start learning ... even before that, start revalidating older research, becase we know a lot less about how our body works than we think we know. Just based on those old researches, it seems like we're doing worse than we did 100 years ago ... we need more medicince, we have more sick people and these won't happen over night, parts of these will be passed to our children who will have more health related issues (we already started seeing that). We're in a sad place right now. People are despearte for better health and some of them are fed up with our current "mainstream" food guidelines, even to a point where they start to experiment on themselves with extreme elimination diet. You can't blame people for this, but you can probably blame the big food industry and the big pharma ...
Great investigation, Mic! Always appreciate your in-depth research and content. So, he essentially manipulated the confounding variables to an extreme and then reported the results without giving proper context. Man, the lengths to which some will go for engagement!
Is it bad that I know whom you're talking about? My nickname for him is Nikonary Coronary. I'm glad that he lost the weight of a big pro football player, but his return to yukbangs in his post-weight-loss videos gives me doubts that he lost the weight in a healthy manner.
But Mike, he goes to Harvard! That practically makes him a genius and can not be wrong about anything! Who are we mere mortals to question a Harvard student? 😂 My ex-girlfriend used to try to put me down by constantly reminding me that she went to Georgetown and I went to a community college. My reply was always the same: So did Eric Trump😂
He already has one doctorate and is studying for another. He's extremely bright. So is Attia. Both of them love media attention and are physical fitness addicts. They also lack judgement. Either that or they know exactly which buttons to press to get attention and followers. Attia is now a wealthy man as a result. I suspect that Norwitz will be too.
Undergrad at Dartmouth. Phd at Oxford funded by merit based scholarships. Since you are the one trying to discredit Nick, would you please provide us with some science credentials?
i love how ONE man had a certain outcome and it caused everyone to throw out several meta analyses and various experiments and even what the fda has said about eggs, which is that they can't be considered nutritious, healthy, or safe BECAUSE of the amount of fat and cholesterol they contain.... like they were really just searching for anything to grasp at. all that was proved was the power of carbohydrates.
Didn't they remove the previous recommendation of limiting intake of dietary cholesterol of 300 mg/day because they have not been able to establish the link to cardiovascular disease (was taken away in dietary guide lines for 2015-2020). What they still worry about is saturated fatty acids but point out that it is relatively low amounts in it in eggs?
Oh, Mic! I loved what you did here. You called out the bullshit in Nick's message and directly addressed how his message is socially irresponsible and his presumption of promoting discourse on the internet either outright stupid or solely motivated by his insuferable arrogance and desire for public attention. Keep kicking ass.
I find him unbearably smug. He did an interview with Walter Willett (I think it was on Plant Chompers channel?) and it was like watching a kind old professor humour an arrogant child, prattling on about his n=1 nonsense "experiments".
I was unhappy that Plant Chompers aired that. It seemed obvious that he was latching onto Willet's celebrity and using their amicable interview as a way of saying their nutritional viewpoints are on equal footing
Yeah he appears quite humble in that episode vs WW but cmon. Let's say his current diet offers clinical meaningful experience for HIM. He should not promote it like this
I find Nick to be an utterly insufferable self-promoter. Can't even watch him anymore. I thought the Plant Chompers interview was actually pretty good, where he was honest that he just couldn't tolerate a plant-based diet and was hoping to be able to prove that eating as he does won't put him at risk, something he clearly worried about, but none of that comes through in his own material, which is indeed unbearably smug and endlessly misleading. I've seen comments like 'there was a study that showed that oreos are more effective than statins'. I'm not a vegan (though I'm quite a bit more plant-based than before, and have prepared all my own meals for a long time), and I abhor statins, but he's knowingly misleading some of the most gullible people on earth. Even by his reckoning, LMHRs are what, less than 10% of the population? Yet all of his questionable speculations are targeted only to that group.
I'm trusting doctors less and less these days. My cholesterol is high: ~280 w.o. statins, ~160LDL. But my Calcium CT score was a perfect zero. I regularly bike 3 boroughs of NYC, over two major East River Bridges, work out at the outdoor gym along the way. No angina, which my father had 10 years younger than I am now, plus a double bypass by now. I'm 66yo. I eat almost no added sugar. No: soda, minimal fruit juice (4oz at dinner), no alcohol, cookies, cakes, minimal bread (1 slice most days), 4 boxes of low sugar cereal per year. I DO eat a lot of fresh fruit & lemon water in mornings. Also, Vegs from my own garden most of the year. Meat every day for lunch & dinner. Also, a few slices of cheese and ham/salami for lunch. Not a perfect diet, to be sure, but one I can live with. My weight is normal tho it's harder at my age to keep it there. OK, going biking now. Good luck with future videos....
You are completely misrepresenting the PLOS study you talk about. Here is a quote from the study. "Evidence regarding egg consumption in relation to CVD or mortality has been limited and inconclusive [10-12]. Recent meta-analyses showed that frequent egg consumption (>7 eggs/week) compared to low consumption (
@somad6997 this is part of his field. He is currently doing studies with Dave Feldman among other researches on the the LDL and Saturated fat causes heart disease hypothesis. I mean there are cardiologists who don’t think high LDL is linked to heart disease aswell.
@somad6997 Yea it is and he is currently part of a cohort of researches doing studies pertaining to exactly this topic. Peter Ovadia is probably the most notable.
I didn't watch his video but I am curious how else he changed his diet for his egg challenge. Was he eating primarily steak before and switched to eggs? What did he NOT eat when he was eating those eggs? That could account for a decrease in LDL, perhaps. Particularly if he was just eating less than usual as he was eating an egg every hour so assumedly was not hungry. Thanks, Mic, as always
@@Sergio-nb4hj So fruit and eggs will lower LDL more than meat. Where's the surprise? I guess that diet was pretty much vegetarian, then. With more eggs than is common. All I see is that he responds quickly in a positive way to carbs, showing that carbs are what he's lacking.
He's not carnivore. He sticks to a keto diet because it greatly helped a major gut health problem he was having. I think he tries to eat a fairly decent keto diet. I agree with Mic that a lot of the stuff he's putting out lately can easily be used to mislead the public.
No it doesn't lol. Dietary cholesterol has no negative effect on serum cholesterol, that was found many years ago. Also, while eating nothing but meat and having massive LDL levels isn't great, there is nothing wrong with high fat diets at all, and LDL even in the high ranges is still the lowest risk factor for heart disease. Triglycerides, blood pressure, low HDL, and insulin resistance are all significantly more important.
He's honest enough and very specific about what he's saying - ie it's about my particular case. However, his low carb audience simply ignores the specific context and all the ifs, ands and buts. After all, they aren't exactly noted for their hard-headed rationality and critical thinking skills. Does he do enough to inform people that these results are short term ones and specific to a young, very fit LMHR person? Absolutely not.
Great info! I will keep coming back to this channel. A year ago I ate 3 eggs a day (thinking it was healthy because of the information the Weston A. Price Foundation is spreading). I was overweight and had pain in one leg (blue vain). After reading Esselstyn's work, I quit doing low carb high fat and became a plant based and oilfree eater and now I have lost 22 pounds and the pain in my leg is gone. Yay :-)!
He and Dr Gundry seem to have read the same click bate book! Whats ironic is that apparently eating plants (the berries he mentions) helped the result, yet he still doesn’t seem to see the power of plants.
My concern with him is that he presents the keto diet as healthy by heavily focusing on anecdotal evidence and short-term benefits, while disregarding research that doesn't align with his keto perspective.
I'm down 80 pounds. triglycerides from 150 to 60. Inflammations are gone. Blood pressure now normal and disconnected from salt intake. A1C went from 6 to 5.1. All done on keto. It's been 5 years. How long before I can consider this "long term?" I eat about 20 eggs a week. Never going back.
I listened to the podcast marathon with Nick on Simon Hill’s podcast and can somewhat empathize with him in that he’s kinda forced into this extreme diet by health issues and he wants to know if it’s actually dangerous. But this and other click bait stuff he does is truly dangerous in my opinion since it encourages the average American to ignore their LDL which we know will be bad for 90+% of them
My doctor, who specializes in diet/nutrition, always talks about how a lot of his patients "appear healthy" but when he takes a deeper dive and orders complete blood panels, etc. notices that they need a massive rehaul in their diet.
Just imagining eating all those eggs is making my gorge rise. I have hated eggs since I was a kid, am fifty now and happily vegan. I don't really care about his cholesterol, I care about all the abused and murdered chickens and male chicks that his diet resulted in.
That's great. I'm glad you think about the abuse of animals. Did you ever wonder for a minute how many millions, maybe billions, of creatures are killed when a field is tilled to plan grain?
i tried that diet (carnivore with lots of eggs) when i was overweight at 19 years old i have had terrible constipation switching with diarrea and blood in the stools, never again now vegan high fruit high starch high vegs.
My boyfriend has been eating 6 eggs (with 1 or 2 ramen packs) per day for 5 years and I’m worried about his long term health. We are still in our mid to late 20’s, he won’t know if this ends up causing disease until we are older and he currently has no concern (also only eats vegetables if someone else made it and if it tastes good to him). At least he takes vitamins. I’m basically opposite and recently went vegan a few months ago
Eggs are literally full with vitamins. Has every vitamin that a chicken needs. You probably need vitamins much more to not have health decline, and what long term health issues eggs would cause?
The thing that irritates me the most about Nick is his smarmy pseudo-intellectualism. "Everyone should listen to evidence" as he gleefully manipulates his audience into heart attacks. Horrible.
I was vegan for ten years. I work hard labor everyday, vegan was not cutting it. To get enough protein you either shit your brains out from fiber intake or consume massive amounts of highly processed protein supplements. I now consume eggs from my pet chickens and fish and my markers are great.
Hello Mic! I want to tell you how much I appreciate your videos and how much knowledge I gain through your content. You even teach critical thinking. I'm so proud of you!
What's sad about this is he's using the Harvard reference to indicate intelligence and yet he is intentionally misleading people by not giving the complete picture. Thanks Mic.
Thanks for a great summary at 14:50 : they excluded participants because "we're so special" = special results => found exactly what they wanted to find 😂
There is an important point here when it comes to eggs and dietary cholesterol. The effect is very strongly heterogeneous. About 1/3 of the population are sensitive to dietary cholesterol and have a huge spike when they consume it while the other 2/3 do not see cholesterol rising and may even see a small decrease when consuming eggs. This is important context in meta analyses that show the cholesterol raising effect of eggs; some people genuinely can maintain very low LDL while consuming alot of eggs while others see a huge bump even from a small amount of dietary cholesterol. The other factor is that people that are diabetic seem to be even more sensitive to dietary cholesterol and so they should especially avoid it. Anyway the point I'm making is that the effect is more complicated than SFA which in the majority of people upregulates LDL retention and has a similarish effect on everyone (though not identical).
@@VeganGorilla555LOL I love how you folks keep making baseless claims that have no evidence to support them. Just associative data. Eggs cause atherosclerosis. There is no proof of that. Eggs cause diabetes. Really? Not only is there no proof of that, but do you have any idea how many people have beat diabetes by incorporating low carb diets high in eggs? I eat about 25 eggs a week myself and my A1c is down from 6 to 5.1. LOL Eggs cause stokes. Again, there is no proof of that. It crack me up how important you think association studies are. I could read these claims all day. Do you think eggs could cause a sunburn?
I went to chatgpt to help me understand the topic a little better, thought this might be useful for those like me who are dummies about nutrition: LDL stands for low-density lipoprotein, often referred to as "bad" cholesterol. LDL carries cholesterol to the cells, but if there's too much of it in the blood, it can build up in the walls of the arteries, leading to plaque formation, which increases the risk of heart disease and stroke. To clarify about eggs: Eggs themselves do not contain LDL. Instead, they contain dietary cholesterol, which is different. The body uses dietary cholesterol to produce various forms of cholesterol, including LDL and HDL (the "good" cholesterol). How dietary cholesterol from foods like eggs affects LDL levels varies among individuals. For many people, consuming eggs in moderation does not cause a significant rise in LDL cholesterol levels. However, in some people, especially those with diabetes or existing heart disease, eating high-cholesterol foods might lead to an increase in LDL. In short, eggs do not directly contain LDL cholesterol, but the dietary cholesterol in eggs can affect LDL levels depending on individual health factors.
"Meatrition" is a helpful historical database of research, i recommend it, regardless of what side of the fence you are on. I'd rather avoid the flurry of denial that may follow as replies. Plenty of this data is older than everyone alive.
Your ability to understand health has been deeply compromised. I suggest you actually study this topic more and resist such simple-minded anecdotal criteria.
Just the thought of eating that many eggs makes me feel nauseous! Imagine if this young man used his intelligence to actually HELP mankind instead of figuring out ways to manipulate vulnerable people? I imagine he thinks he is a cut above ‘ordinary people’. Mic - thanks for sharing the background of Mr Harvard Student. Context is important.
10:02 this Nick dude is very disingenuous. He sounds like Ben Shapiro… Ben Shapiro of health and nutrition “studies”. 🤮 That is a compliment in his circles.
His story is he suffered from debilitating Crohn's disease symptoms, and he was able to clear his symptoms by going high fat/low carb. I don't know what he ate before, but I have heard antidotal stories of other going WFPB vegan achieving similar results. Anyway, he is all in on his new diet and classifies himself as a Lean Mass Hyper-responder (LMH) which he says represents about 1-2% of the populations, although, he sells it pretty hard for a protocol that's only appropriate for such a small percentage of the population. He does have a rabid following who are all in for big slabs of CAFO raised meat which is a seductive message for many a meat lover. It looks risky to me, but one pays one's money and takes one's chances I suppose. I don't know how one is able to achieve 100% of the RDI of nutrients, especially fiber, on such a diet without seriously exceeding one's recommended caloric intake. They must be running some serious nutritional deficits.
@@rod7944 It's an excellent question. Hong Kong does have high life expectancy and high meat consumption. The US has one of the worst health care system of all so called industrialized nations. US citizens diets consist of large amounts ultra-high processed foods. US meat is raised on glyphosate saturated soy and corn. Chemicals banned in all other nations are allowed in the US food supply. Conventionally grown US crops are grown on dead soil almost devoid of earth worms and bacteria. Corporate profits are prioritized over all other considerations. I suspect a high meat diet in the US is probably not the same as eaten in Hong Kong. I don't know. What do you think?
@@joecaner I agree with 100% of what you said. I will add for anyone reading, I am not saying that the Hong Kong example proves anything. I only give it as a counter example for the "meat will kill you" crowd to think about.
@@rod7944 That is gracious of you sir. I am interested in finding the best way forward towards achieving and maintaining optimal health adhering to best practices whatever they may be. I don't believe that include fistfuls of supplements. Meat eaters are not my enemies. Fish eaters are not my enemies. Strict vegetarians are not my enemies. One size solutions do not fit all. Be well and prosper.
So he cheated. It's not the eggs, its the healthy fruit that dropped cholesterol. I remember the lame Oreo clickbait he did. He's just continuing the pattern.
@@CharlieFader The point is this guy just does clickbait stunts, that are basically lies. He claims it was eggs that lowered his cholesterol, when in reality it was fruit.
This is great Mic. Need more videos like these to expose those industry plants. This dude not mentioning his already insanely high cholesterol just makes his experiment incredibly misleading.
what misinformation was challenged here? Nick said he ate a shit pile of egg and some fruit and his cholesterol went down. what part of that has been "proven wrong" or is "mis information" He said what he did, and told the results. That's it. Lots of folks have done similar things, like eating lots of eggs, and some saw chol go up, some down. some no change. Who are you to call this misinformation? can you prove these folks are lying?
Thanks so much for this analysis. It gives me some things to think about since I have family who claim keto has no effect on their cholesterol. I can be pretty gullible, and this Harvard guy sure makes himself believe in some ways, until you crack his thin shell. 😂
Eggs are roughly 50% protein. Aren't there a bunch or rat studies which show high enough "pure" protein intake effecting the promotion and growths of cancer cells? Maybe we will inadvertently have human outcomes now.
His science is actually dead on, which you'd expect from a Harvard Medical student. And that's why all the recommendations against eggs have been rolled back recently. Because dietary cholesterol has little, if any impact on serum cholesterol in most people. Your liver produces roughly 80% of your serum cholesterol and roughly 20% comes from diet. If you consume more dietary cholesterol, the feedback loop he's talking about, causes your liver to produce less cholesterol. And if your cholesterol levels get too low, your liver produces more. To be clear, cholesterol is essential. It's used in every cell in the body, extensively.
Mic - dude, you accuse Nick of making content for click bait, when you do the same thing! That’s rich. He states this was an n=1 experiment, and that he is in a unique position as a LMH’er. Settle down. Gotta admit, it is interesting data though - and I’m not keto, carnivore, etc. Also, your “problems” with the LMH study Nick is doing is rooted in emotion and your dogmatic bias towards veganism. Dogmatic views like that need to stop. Remember, good scientists/researchers actively try to disprove their own theories by looking for evidence that could falsify them, rather than solely trying to prove them right. Nick goes out on a limb with his experiments. Although I wouldn’t necessarily do what he does myself, he’s looking at other perspectives and challenging conventional theories. This is the type of work that promotes scientific inquiry and advancement.
The Studie where they claim, that the "Evidence is inconclusive" has this in their results: "Of these, six publications reported on CVD mortality, and all except one found a higher risk of CVD mortality with the highest egg intake vs. the lowest egg intake (hazard ratio (HR) ranging from 1.14-1.75)." I don’t think this funding is a reason to dismiss a study; one just needs to look a little closer. Other Things about the methodology are weird. Like them looking at the past 4 years only or the statistical persentation of the data.
Even if this is true, it is associative data and that's it. Associative data does not, and cannot prove, that eggs cause heart disease. Honestly, it barely even suggests it. It's right there next to completely meaningless. It does not matter HOW many studies find that correlation. No amount of correlation studies can prove causation. Full stop.
Is anyone else deeply disturbed when hearing about such "opinions" circulating around the internet and going viral? Mike, how do you cope? I am struggling and its quite depressing honestly. These people are public health criminals, and there are countless of them. It's practically pointless to discuss nutrition with people, many will get attached to their comfortable delusional bubble, and there is always some "source" that they will pull up to you to defend their position. It's outright exsausting because one then has to dig deep into such details in hopes of the other person actually following you until you completely dismantle their argument. Any time someone tries to diss my plant based diet or defend their pseudoscience, im faced with a 2-hour wall of analysis in front of me, which most of the time never gets passed. All conversations at that point devolve into meaningless authority appeals. I feel like a biased hypocrite myself because I honestly can't maintain all this "debate warrior-level" amount of information required, I've also come to trusting some sources along with understanding of some diet fundamentals I learned from Dr.Greger's books. What I mean to say will all this is that the state of mainstream nutrition knowledge in our days sometimes feels total horseshit garbage, and most of us non-experts are left completely powerless. Each of us lives in our personality-reaffirming internet bubble, all armed with countless sources and arguments. After 6 years, I'm losing my naive "freshly-turned vegan" energy, more and more I just stand and watch as many people I know slowly and proudly kill themselves eating their oh-so-complete-and-bioavailable animal proteins.
Maybe your friends are eating processed foods which is causing their problems. I don't agree that high LDL is a problem. I have a meat and fat heavy diet, I'm very healthy. 50. No health issues, highly athletic, feel better than in my 20's.
@@mark2073 im sorry you missed the point of my comment and at the same time confirming it. im not posting to argue around your anecdotal "proof", im only stating that each person can choose to believe whatever the fuck they want and find authoritative people online supporting them (exactly what you are doing). The concept of scientific truth is practically lost in nutrition. Mainstream knowledge and understanding is lagging years behind the actual undeniable information that too few % of people are aware of. The fact that your comment exists in year 2024 supporting that LDL is not proven to cause heart disease (it does) is mind boggling and depressing to me. The bare proven fundamentals regarding the leading causes of death in our society are still controversial.
@bigblueblob8766 The problem with scientific truth is that it is dependent on who funds the study, therefore you can find support for any belief you want out there. I have noticed that Mic rarely spends more than 5 seconds analyzing his supporting studies, and does not vet out bias and conflicts of interest in the funders. But he's quick to point out all this in the studies who disagree with him. All's I know is that all the meat eaters on youtube are very healthy and so am I. Hard to convince me that the food we relied on for millions of years is all of a sudden bad for us. Look at how healthy people were 100 years ago.
@mark2073 I am honestly happy to hear that a 50 year old is feeling better than when he was in his 20s. Well done! But you need to consider your diet and the level of physical activity in your 20s if you are doing a comparison. Obviously removing processed food and replacing it with meat will help you feel better (I am curious what type of your lifestyle you had in your 20s). The argument that we evolved eating meat for millions of years so we are designed to eat it and it must be healthy for us makes sense when we are speaking about survival not longevity. The passing of genes (mating) takes place at a relatively young age and therefore you can't really say if meat has an effect on longevity. I am interested in longevity not purely on the age but more on how functional, strong and independent I would be in my 70s, 80s, 90s... I eat a 90% or more plant based diet since the data on dietary cholesterol and saturated fat is significant and the risks of cardiovascular events (MI/ sroke/ PAD) keeps increasing as we age. There is also a link with DM and neuro degeneration. Whole food plant based eating reduces such risks and together with a healthy socio / mental / physical lifestyle would increase the odds on your longevity. You also mentioned that people were healthier 100 years ago... I am not sure what your argument is. Fors sure they ate less processed food that what is available today and I guess that had a lower BMI on average that the today's average when you consider developed countries (I don't know of there is any data about BMI). However life expectancy was lower especially due to the advancements in medicine and health care and prevention of infections diseases.
@adrianbuttigieg6643 If you look at old videos from the turn of the century of New York streets it's shocking how healthy people looked. Every generation, the baseline gets set lower. The people making carnie channels here are very healthy. I won't name names due to the all-go-rhythm. In my 20's I was very active, almost olympic level hill climbing VO2 max. A few minor health issues. Had a gall stone once. By 40 I noticed my face was aging quickly. My diet was low meat, low fat, lots of plants. Not an overly healthy vegetarian diet by today's standards. I'd eat pizza, that kind of stuff. Did eat quite a bit of bread and some processed food which at the time i thought wasn't too unhealthy but I'd never eat it today. I managed to maintain my 29" waist. But in 2020 from sitting on my computer all day and still eating bread I put on a few inches. Then in 2021 I cut out all bread, now I eat lots of animal protein, fat, EVOO, nuts, fruit, cruciferous veggies. My waist is back down again. Today I had a great run, did a 4 minute kilometer. I hear people talk about how their bodies get worse with age and I just have to raise my shoulders. I can't relate to that problem.
I ate a dozen eggs a day for decades. Norwitz is a great example of a curious mind who is willing to ignore establishment dogma and try new things. You can celebrate when I have my heart attack!
I don’t think Nick has ever “knocked” Vegans for their (valid) choices and stance. Why do you jump to conclusions about his purported motives and allegiances? This young guy is helping expand and develop knowledge and the ultra-complex science regarding Lipid metabolism for the ultimate benefit of all…Vegans included! Instead of repeatedly whingeing about him, you should perhaps listen more carefully…and maybe even talk to him one day!
A study of just one person is not science and does _not_ contribute to our knowledge. Nick’s omission of actual cholesterol numbers (showing only percentage change) makes his story even less relevant to knowledge than the lowest form of medical science, the case study.
@@broddr That’s very true, but remember he’s also a RUclipsr (like Mic) and also quite young and “energetic”. He experiments on himself occasionally and there’s probably a lot of click-bait involved, for sure, and some would say that’s also reckless…or brave (!) But he also has genuine science credentials remember. And I think his future research contributions are going to be enlightening…so maybe don’t write him off just yet!
Because Nick's views are not consistent with their "faith" and they assume anyone who challenges what they believe is automatically evil, wrong, and out to make a buck.
Going Forward: For accurate insights, prioritize studies that: 1. Include detailed dietary logs that specify cooking methods and fats used. 2. Differentiate between organic, conventional, and pasture-raised eggs. 3. Focus on holistic dietary patterns rather than isolating single foods. This approach will provide a more nuanced understanding of how eggs (and the fats they’re cooked with) truly affect health outcomes.
Also, the egg industry loves all of this promotion and has offered Nick a free year supply of eggs! In the video he got pasture raised eggs but that term has no legal definition and is humane-washed. The hens used to make these eggs do not have a good life. Final point for the vegetarians, the egg industry breeds laying hens and half of the chicks are male and are immediately killed generally. Health aside, I will be skipping the eggs.
Side Note: I'll be the first to say I look a bit rough in this vid which is likely a combination between traveling, sawdust exposure, low sleep, and mediocre lighting. Just look back less than a week if you think this is some vegan deterioration or something.
@@MictheVegan 🤣🤣a year supply of eggs.. If he eats that many.. lots of sore chickens🤣
The human body creates and uses both cholesterols .
If he was carb down for autophogy would explain the lowering
You look fine.
@@MictheVegan and we agree.. i follow a animal rights activist.. i do not like the way our food animals are treated either.. But i do not like All the animals I’ve seen attacked and eaten by our local coyotes.. or when i fish.. the worms i put on the hook.. Where does it end? Every animal on the planet eat veggies? Do insects have rights also?
@@mygolfballsannoy We can't currently control what wild animals do. You can currently control whether you support the animal ag industry. If you don't like how they're treated then don't buy.
The egg industry once did a study comparing eggs to cheeseburgers to get positive results. Then the media reported that eggs are healthy. He's basically doing the same thing.
nice try no he's not
The same here. Vegan/vegetarian studies do the same... I eat everything. All these guys are all at the same level and like the attention they get. That's just sad.
@@liciniooliveira-becas3618 Big broccoli strikes again funding all the vegan studies. No but really the whole food plant based studies just compare to standard diet, it's not a trick, vegans just have lower cholesterol than keto, standard American, vegetarian diets, that's why some of the carnivores try to spin it as if cholesterol levels don't matter because otherwise they'd have to compare biomarkers to vegans and they don't like the results.
@@liciniooliveira-becas3618 usually not, vegan studies compare it to many different diet, usually mediterrian is the benchmark.
@@casey-zd5mj you are right, because this has near-zero scientific evidence
Have been a UK family doctor for 40yrs. Have regularly had patients drop down down dead suddenly from heart attacks and it's always a tragedy for the family. Youngest I saw was 30yrs old but there have been younger. You can take whatever risks you want with your life and high egg, meat and dairy intake is one of them. I changed to advising plant based when I started to look at the real evidence from studies which help people beat chronic disease. Thanks Mic for exposing this man who is truly messing with people's lives. Heart disease will get him in the end.
Where did you get that from doc?
@@steveherridge8965If one looks up which people live the longest, it turns out to be vegetarian/vegans. The best results are for lifelong vegans but even when one changes to the vegan diet later in life, the benefits come pretty fast.
I got rid of gouty arthritis and that was great as my hands were almost useless and was in a wheelchair from the pain in my joints. My mother also had gout and the tendency is inheritable.
The best is to study it yourself as links posted can be slanted.
I lost 80 lbs. without suffering from hunger.
Vegans are generally the slimmest people. If you look around at the public, most people are overweight if not obese to morbidly obese.
Dr. John McDougall, MD, Internist offered great proofs as to the improved health fir5hose going vegan. Lowered blood pressure, normalized A1C - type II Diabetics we’re getting off their meds in his 10 day program
Most people enjoy his diet and stay on it your years, I should know as I am one of them as well as my husband.
One thing I don't understand about the carnivore influencers who are celebrating this guy's one-person, no-y-axis study:
I thought that most carnivore dieters (and low carb people in general) didn't believe that cholesterol was harmful at all. Many of them brag about having astronomical cholesterol levels, and they explain away why cholesterol isn't bad. Why do they care whether or not this guy's cholesterol lowered?
He is not a carnivore influencer.
"Our diet doesn't raise cholesterol, but if it did it wouldn't be a bad thing."
Their messaging is all over the place. But it has to remain somehow contrarian of course. It’s like when we routinely see conspiracy theorists believing in conflicting conspiracies.
@@CharlieFader The point was to show the relationship between dietary cholesterol and blood serum cholesterol. That's all. I didn't hear any other claims. Did you?
@@Curbyourenthusi of this study? It certainly was not the point, because he added carbs that he knew would lower his sky-high cholesterol. Also, I was not talking only about him, but mainly all the carni influences that take the clickbait content he created and run with it.
I think he also replaced his other animal product consumption with eggs, and adding in all that fibre and antioxidant content from berries would help lower it as well. Doesnt he exercise a bunch too? Like there are ao many confounding variables right out the gate with this guy. Imagine all the overweight sedentary people that just end up eating more eggs because of this without adding blueberries and cutting out meats.
You’re not supposed to be sedentary. Lol
Now that I eat 720 eggs a month my cholesterol is lower than when I ate 5000 eggs a month.
"Harvard student somehow doesn't understand eating 720 eggs isn't healthy"
supposedly still healthier than what they were previously eating?
Imagine believing it's healthier to need supplements and to eat like a rabbit lmao.
Harvard will take anyone nowadays if you have $$$
Wasn't it Cambridge?
"Harvard student" all you need to know
What he did does show on the pyramid. It's a case study. With not enough information. We should probably conclude that an increase in healthy carbs (fruit) dropped his LDL. He replaced meat with eggs and added fruit. Not a useful experiment by any measure. And yes, the high LDL he lives with is dangerous. He's just too young to notice right now.
Well, it's a case, but not a study...
@stisca yes, it could become a case study if published but right now it's just a case AKA anecdote. All other points very much valid 😊
not a useful experiment? would anyone have believed it if he didn't do it? now we know eggs don't raise cholesterol by themselves and we can research that further. also high LDL isn't an issue that's old belief, you can have high ldl and low vldl and be completely safe, small dense particles are the real cause of arterial buildup.
Why do you say that? The largest data set in the world on the subject clearly shows that high cholesterol correlates to lower mortality
Again, I can lower my LDL dramatically by eating junk food and high carb food while gaining tons of weight almost to a point of obese and having LDL lower than 100, vs eating plant and meat only with no to very little carbs and be on lower side of normal weight and having a LDL of 300, are you saying my 300 LDL is more dangerous than eating all that junk each day everyday lol, and how much do you know about LDL, are you a doctor? At least I consulted with several top doctors in the world and they all not worried about my LDL, and by top I mean the doctors in Houston Medical Center, Baylor, Methodist, you name it.
I saw this article on my Google home news feed. (Maybe because I'm constantly looking up nutrition Lol) Glad that you decided to talk about it. Too many people will just see the title of those kinds of articles and tuck it in their brain without even looking further into it.
Good stuff Mic. The lengths folks will go to to justify eating horrible food is amazing. Keep up the good work.
@JackWonders-g4zStudies show otherwise, but if you feel better eating them, you can.
What is horrible about eggs. Eggs are an actual superfood.
@@rod7944 Foods are relative to each other in terms of superiority. Blackberries, oatmeal, rice and beans, avocados are superior to eggs. Eggs are superior to chicken fried steak. If you want to eat eggs, eat them, but stop pretending they're the best.
@@RawandCookedVegan I never said they were best. I said a superfood. Just one of many, and I base that on all of the good things in them. Oatmeal? your kidding right? Diabetes waiting to happen.
720 eggs in 30 days? For 1 billion dollars, I still could not do that.
For 1 billion I would definitively do that.
@@classicgameplay10 I would do for $1000 already. Even less.
I would. And I would donate and invest most of it to vegan / lab-made alternatives causes/ventures.
I might try but I don't think I would be capable of doing it. I could easily eat 2 or 3 eggs a week for 1 billion dollars but more than that would be too difficult.
Its only 25 eggs a day. Not ridiculous, I could do it and probably end up healthy
Nick is well known for doing other non sensical and highly publicized self “experiments” (with an n of 1). He previously did a similar “oreo experiment”. His baseline LDL is crazy high and he’s one of people convinced it’s somehow not dangerous.
Just like with climate change, if something doesn't have an immediate and tangible effect many people will just ignore it or even argue it isn't causative. No one would argue that smoking is good for you just because it makes you feel good in the short term and takes decades to make you sick, these advocates for high cholesterol and red meat are little different from the "more doctors smoke camels" advertisements from 70 years ago.
Not what he is saying. He is saying people should pay attention, but at least in a certain group it does not seem to be that of a big concern.
My father in law was a cyclist, multi-sporter, ran marathons etc after deciding to get healthy in his 40's, but had a very heavy animal foods diet. Had a heart attack in his 60's leading to a quadruple bypass. then a cardiac arrest a yr or so later and only reason he's alive is a ICU nurse just happened to live a few doors down from where he had it out cycling, giving 1st class CPR. Now he's only allowed to go for walks, gets tired really easily and has trouble with memory etc due to brain oxygen starvation at the time.
So sorry for you and your dad.
Of course, longevity in high animal diets is anecdotal, if there is a single person of 70+ at all any time in the history of humanity. Hope your father get to change his diet.
Hmmm...think I'll(vegan for 30yrs) stick with my LDL of 54mg/dL thank you! lol
You do know if you do not consume much fat, your ldl will be lower righr? LDL is a Low Denskty Lipoprotein that transports fats in the blood to the cells in your body to be burned as fuel. It literally carried the fat around the blood like a car.
So why would your body as a vegan waste its energy and much needed time to produce much LDL when you hardly consume much fat?
Did you know insulin serves a similar purpose to LDL aswell? You having a high LDL would be like someone on a carnivore diet having high insulin levels aka insulin resistance despite not consuming any carbs at all
Instead of listening to this doc, me or anybody on the internet, hit the books with differing opinions and go learn
@@shueibdahir That’s the whole point. Less fat, less LDL cars driving around the body, reduced APOB and decreased cardiovascular risk.
LDLs role in cardiovascular disease is virtually undeniable at this point, I wonder what books your reading outside basic physiology textbooks. An understanding of mechanism is the very start and means little compared to actual outcome data, go read the literature.
@@JeffreysDharma
You need to go back to school. Cholesterol does not cause anything except good health. There is no study in existence that can show otherwise. You live in a fantasy world listening to clowns like Mic the Vegan.
"Studies" don't suggest anything as there is zero science available when it comes to what human beings eat and hard health outcomes from that. ALL so-called "nutrition studies" are epidemiology which means they don't have the power to show risk or cause and effect, only to form hypothesis which would then need to undergo rigorous scientific study which we can not do on human beings.
Yes, there are tens of thousands of "studies" out there all making various claims that eating X causes Y etc. but all of those studies are just opinion pieces, theology. There is no science in the nutrition space as you can not do experiments on human beings and science requires experimentation. The next time you see a so-called "randomised controlled" study on nutrition just bear in mind that it is nothing of the sort. None of those studies are properly randomised or controlled. They are littered with confounders, co-variates, co-linearities etc. Simply put, they are not worth the paper they are written on. All human nutrition studies are epidemiology which does not have the power to show cause and therefore has no business using the word "risk" which of course they all do... eating X increases your "risk" of Y... we've all read them and they should all be disregarded as junk science.
To be clear, you can not do experiments on human beings. To do a properly randomised, properly controlled study on human beings you would have to take multiple sets of genotypical/phenotypical identical twins and separate them at birth. You would then have to lock them away in identical laboratories controlling for every single factor such as when they went to sleep, what they ate, when they ate etc. with the only difference between each of the participants would be the very thing you are testing for.
You would have to run this study for 40-50 years and then and only then could you write a paper claiming that eating X causes Y or eating X increase your risk of Y. This kind of study has never been done with humans and never will be for obvious reasons and even if you could get it past an ethics committee... good luck finding participants for such a study.
So please, next time you see a headline in the paper claiming red meat causes cancer or cholesterol causes heart disease... please treat it as the junk science and propaganda that it is.
You Vegans and your love of these nonsense studies make my brain ache. Are you really that stupid that you can't see what's going on here?
@@shueibdahir thats not what LDL does. Stop making up nonsense. Ones body has all the fat it needs to be burned as fuel. It doesn't need fat transported in the blood to the cells to do this. Fat is deposited in adipose tissue and fat cells. Carbs are what the body primarily burns as fuel over easy Zone2 intensities. Why cyclists eat 80 to 120g+ of sugar per hour to fuel their activities. Fat is always limited in races etc for this very reason. I think you're the one who needs to go back to school or otherwise you wouldn't be spouting bro-science nonsense like the above.
@@swites In fact, a lot / most of your cells utilize cholesterol as their buildingblocks and "cholesterol in your blood" when its transported can be used to repair damaged veins. If you have lower cholesterol your body will be somewhat impaired repairing damages in this context, so it can lower your risk of cardiovascular events ... that however, probably won't prevent you having other issues long term.
Your body naturally tries to make as much cholesterol as it needs so only part of the dietary cholesterol is used / increased cholesterol in blood.
IMHO, everybody should go back to "school" and start learning ... even before that, start revalidating older research, becase we know a lot less about how our body works than we think we know.
Just based on those old researches, it seems like we're doing worse than we did 100 years ago ... we need more medicince, we have more sick people and these won't happen over night, parts of these will be passed to our children who will have more health related issues (we already started seeing that).
We're in a sad place right now.
People are despearte for better health and some of them are fed up with our current "mainstream" food guidelines, even to a point where they start to experiment on themselves with extreme elimination diet. You can't blame people for this, but you can probably blame the big food industry and the big pharma ...
Great investigation, Mic! Always appreciate your in-depth research and content. So, he essentially manipulated the confounding variables to an extreme and then reported the results without giving proper context. Man, the lengths to which some will go for engagement!
Before I went vegan, I got all dairy out of my diet. Just that lowered my LDL. Did he lower his dairy intake? Many questions here.
No, for him the effect is mainly attributed to adding carbs.
Nikocado Eggacado. Oh dear. What people will do for attention.
Hey. How ya doin? :)
@@Dindonmasker I’m good! Thanks. How are you getting on?
Is it bad that I know whom you're talking about? My nickname for him is Nikonary Coronary. I'm glad that he lost the weight of a big pro football player, but his return to yukbangs in his post-weight-loss videos gives me doubts that he lost the weight in a healthy manner.
@@vegangames3468 i'm pretty happy in general with life. :)
@@vegangames3468 You mean like using someone else's popular video content, as subject matter? And using their photo to advertise your own video?
But Mike, he goes to Harvard! That practically makes him a genius and can not be wrong about anything! Who are we mere mortals to question a Harvard student? 😂 My ex-girlfriend used to try to put me down by constantly reminding me that she went to Georgetown and I went to a community college. My reply was always the same: So did Eric Trump😂
And so did a lot of dems.
He already has one doctorate and is studying for another. He's extremely bright. So is Attia. Both of them love media attention and are physical fitness addicts. They also lack judgement. Either that or they know exactly which buttons to press to get attention and followers. Attia is now a wealthy man as a result. I suspect that Norwitz will be too.
Sounds like a very healthy relationship.
Undergrad at Dartmouth. Phd at Oxford funded by merit based scholarships. Since you are the one trying to discredit Nick, would you please provide us with some science credentials?
i love how ONE man had a certain outcome and it caused everyone to throw out several meta analyses and various experiments and even what the fda has said about eggs, which is that they can't be considered nutritious, healthy, or safe BECAUSE of the amount of fat and cholesterol they contain.... like they were really just searching for anything to grasp at. all that was proved was the power of carbohydrates.
Didn't they remove the previous recommendation of limiting intake of dietary cholesterol of 300 mg/day because they have not been able to establish the link to cardiovascular disease (was taken away in dietary guide lines for 2015-2020). What they still worry about is saturated fatty acids but point out that it is relatively low amounts in it in eggs?
There is no proof that eggs are bad for you. All the FDA and the other folks doing studies have are associative data sets. Next to meaningless.
Oh, Mic! I loved what you did here. You called out the bullshit in Nick's message and directly addressed how his message is socially irresponsible and his presumption of promoting discourse on the internet either outright stupid or solely motivated by his insuferable arrogance and desire for public attention. Keep kicking ass.
I find him unbearably smug. He did an interview with Walter Willett (I think it was on Plant Chompers channel?) and it was like watching a kind old professor humour an arrogant child, prattling on about his n=1 nonsense "experiments".
I was unhappy that Plant Chompers aired that. It seemed obvious that he was latching onto Willet's celebrity and using their amicable interview as a way of saying their nutritional viewpoints are on equal footing
Who, Mic? Yeah he is.
Yeah he appears quite humble in that episode vs WW but cmon. Let's say his current diet offers clinical meaningful experience for HIM. He should not promote it like this
I find Nick to be an utterly insufferable self-promoter. Can't even watch him anymore. I thought the Plant Chompers interview was actually pretty good, where he was honest that he just couldn't tolerate a plant-based diet and was hoping to be able to prove that eating as he does won't put him at risk, something he clearly worried about, but none of that comes through in his own material, which is indeed unbearably smug and endlessly misleading. I've seen comments like 'there was a study that showed that oreos are more effective than statins'. I'm not a vegan (though I'm quite a bit more plant-based than before, and have prepared all my own meals for a long time), and I abhor statins, but he's knowingly misleading some of the most gullible people on earth. Even by his reckoning, LMHRs are what, less than 10% of the population? Yet all of his questionable speculations are targeted only to that group.
@@damiku-8866 Humans in nature eat meat... and lots of it. They mog modern western men and it's very clear.
I find really hard to believe these people aren't paid by the American Egg Board.
It would be great if they paid me. I eat 12-18 eggs every day. Never felt or looked better. Eggs are probably the most nutritious food on the planet.
Great you have a lot of money to pay for healthcare I guess. @@anti-christ.666
I believe even healthcare industry is tied to it. I mean if people stop eating eggs it would affect statin business.
@@anti-christ.666 eww…. Got a gag reflex just thinking about it.
Why did you bother replying....you just showed how did not understand a word Mike said 😅😅😅😅@@anti-christ.666
I'm trusting doctors less and less these days. My cholesterol is high: ~280 w.o. statins, ~160LDL. But my Calcium CT score was a perfect zero. I regularly bike 3 boroughs of NYC, over two major East River Bridges, work out at the outdoor gym along the way. No angina, which my father had 10 years younger than I am now, plus a double bypass by now. I'm 66yo. I eat almost no added sugar. No: soda, minimal fruit juice (4oz at dinner), no alcohol, cookies, cakes, minimal bread (1 slice most days), 4 boxes of low sugar cereal per year. I DO eat a lot of fresh fruit & lemon water in mornings. Also, Vegs from my own garden most of the year. Meat every day for lunch & dinner. Also, a few slices of cheese and ham/salami for lunch.
Not a perfect diet, to be sure, but one I can live with. My weight is normal tho it's harder at my age to keep it there.
OK, going biking now. Good luck with future videos....
he is LMHR on keto diet. He already had astronomically high cholesterol.
You cannot raise cholesterol if you already have high cholesterol.
Before watching the video my prediction.
He stopped eating other saturated fatty foods or he ate in a caloric deficit...
I have been eating a ton of saturated animal fat lately. Interested to see my blood work. I feel fantastic and am very trim and athletic.
@@mark2073same here!
"Calorie deficit" bro he ate 6000kcal of butter and his LDL didn't change and he lost weight lmao
That would apply to most people, but for him it was adding carbs to his keto diet.
caloric deficit is meaningless. Human bodies do not combust food.
You are completely misrepresenting the PLOS study you talk about. Here is a quote from the study.
"Evidence regarding egg consumption in relation to CVD or mortality has been limited and inconclusive [10-12]. Recent meta-analyses showed that frequent egg consumption (>7 eggs/week) compared to low consumption (
it means both guys are lying 🤦
How old is this kid? Looks like he's 23. Why would anyone listen to a 23 year old that knows nothing?
Because he has a PHD in metabolism
@@vibrevtonez2421they listen to him because he creates clickbaity material.
@somad6997 this is part of his field. He is currently doing studies with Dave Feldman among other researches on the the LDL and Saturated fat causes heart disease hypothesis. I mean there are cardiologists who don’t think high LDL is linked to heart disease aswell.
@somad6997 Yea it is and he is currently part of a cohort of researches doing studies pertaining to exactly this topic. Peter Ovadia is probably the most notable.
Knows nothing? He knows more about actual science then 97 percent of the doctors and all the keyboard warriors posting about this stuff
I didn't watch his video but I am curious how else he changed his diet for his egg challenge. Was he eating primarily steak before and switched to eggs? What did he NOT eat when he was eating those eggs? That could account for a decrease in LDL, perhaps. Particularly if he was just eating less than usual as he was eating an egg every hour so assumedly was not hungry. Thanks, Mic, as always
@@z.j.maayan8458
Prob part keto
He added fruits and replaced all meat with eggs
I cut it for time but he clarified that it was an egg every hour on average. Maybe should've kept that in.
@@Sergio-nb4hj So fruit and eggs will lower LDL more than meat. Where's the surprise? I guess that diet was pretty much vegetarian, then. With more eggs than is common. All I see is that he responds quickly in a positive way to carbs, showing that carbs are what he's lacking.
He's not carnivore. He sticks to a keto diet because it greatly helped a major gut health problem he was having. I think he tries to eat a fairly decent keto diet. I agree with Mic that a lot of the stuff he's putting out lately can easily be used to mislead the public.
This egg and high fat diet crap kills people. It really makes me mad.
It seems like people following these strict diets, get good exercise and are otherwise healthy do very well.
No it doesn't lol. Dietary cholesterol has no negative effect on serum cholesterol, that was found many years ago. Also, while eating nothing but meat and having massive LDL levels isn't great, there is nothing wrong with high fat diets at all, and LDL even in the high ranges is still the lowest risk factor for heart disease. Triglycerides, blood pressure, low HDL, and insulin resistance are all significantly more important.
@lekkai7473 thank you for saying the truth. I eat lots of saturated fat and am extremely healthy
@@kathivy i eat 2lbs of the fattiest beef every day. My cholesterol numbers are all in the green. Everyone is different.
@@mrdavester you don't need to eat that. Think about the animal that doesn't want to die.
Nick Norwitz is one of the most dishonest charlatans in current online nutrition sphere.
He's honest enough and very specific about what he's saying - ie it's about my particular case. However, his low carb audience simply ignores the specific context and all the ifs, ands and buts. After all, they aren't exactly noted for their hard-headed rationality and critical thinking skills. Does he do enough to inform people that these results are short term ones and specific to a young, very fit LMHR person? Absolutely not.
But he does highlights that it applies for LMHR and he didn't said it was the case for everyone since he advocates for case study experiment (n=1)
why?
can you please post proof of a lie when you slander him?
I'll re-peat. Can you please provide some proof while you slander Nick?
Great info! I will keep coming back to this channel. A year ago I ate 3 eggs a day (thinking it was healthy because of the information the Weston A. Price Foundation is spreading). I was overweight and had pain in one leg (blue vain). After reading Esselstyn's work, I quit doing low carb high fat and became a plant based and oilfree eater and now I have lost 22 pounds and the pain in my leg is gone. Yay :-)!
Remember that his is the context of a keto diet. Ditching (or minimizing) carbs rises colestherol like nothing else.
The whole point is to not eat something that doesn't belong to you.
My WFPB motto if its not grown in the ground, from trees or shrubs, then I don’t eat it
He and Dr Gundry seem to have read the same click bate book!
Whats ironic is that apparently eating plants (the berries he mentions) helped the result, yet he still doesn’t seem to see the power of plants.
I'm still not eating eggs 😂
Wonderful! That leaves more for me. Thx!
@anti-christ.666 anti- science is nothing to be proud of ...and reply in this way is even worse....
Egg sandwich. Yum
Chicken periods. 🙄
@@mexdrago3009tofu sandwiches are so much better and don't give you heart disease! 😊
The extent people go to, just to not eat a frekkin vegetable.
"Muh lectins and muh oxalates"
My concern with him is that he presents the keto diet as healthy by heavily focusing on anecdotal evidence and short-term benefits, while disregarding research that doesn't align with his keto perspective.
I'm down 80 pounds. triglycerides from 150 to 60. Inflammations are gone. Blood pressure now normal and disconnected from salt intake. A1C went from 6 to 5.1. All done on keto. It's been 5 years. How long before I can consider this "long term?" I eat about 20 eggs a week. Never going back.
There are thousands and thousands of folks with my story. How many before that becomes evidence of positive outcomes from keto?
Thank God, he didn't feed rats with 720 eggs a month. He ate by himself. 😂😂😂😂
Nick has done everything he can possibly do to justify eating more animals. How sad!
I listened to the podcast marathon with Nick on Simon Hill’s podcast and can somewhat empathize with him in that he’s kinda forced into this extreme diet by health issues and he wants to know if it’s actually dangerous. But this and other click bait stuff he does is truly dangerous in my opinion since it encourages the average American to ignore their LDL which we know will be bad for 90+% of them
My doctor, who specializes in diet/nutrition, always talks about how a lot of his patients "appear healthy" but when he takes a deeper dive and orders complete blood panels, etc. notices that they need a massive rehaul in their diet.
Don't need a specialist... low fat vegan with lots of raw fruit and greens is the cure. That'll be $632.66, with tax.
and what criteria do they use to say someone needs a "massive rehaul?"
Always think of Paul Newman in Cool Hand Luke....nobody can eat 50 eggs
I blocked that guy a while back, happy about it.
Me too.
If you lose weight your cholesterol usually drops no matter what (or who) you're eating.
I thought that lean mass hyper responders had higher cholesterol the leaner they become..
I remember ppl who had abs and had high cholesterol
I eat keto and I have found that to be true for me as wel
Just imagining eating all those eggs is making my gorge rise. I have hated eggs since I was a kid, am fifty now and happily vegan. I don't really care about his cholesterol, I care about all the abused and murdered chickens and male chicks that his diet resulted in.
That's great. I'm glad you think about the abuse of animals. Did you ever wonder for a minute how many millions, maybe billions, of creatures are killed when a field is tilled to plan grain?
"Best and brightest", ladies and gentlemen. Lol
Thanks Mic, good breakdown.
i tried that diet (carnivore with lots of eggs) when i was overweight at 19 years old i have had terrible constipation switching with diarrea and blood in the stools, never again now vegan high fruit high starch high vegs.
My boyfriend has been eating 6 eggs (with 1 or 2 ramen packs) per day for 5 years and I’m worried about his long term health. We are still in our mid to late 20’s, he won’t know if this ends up causing disease until we are older and he currently has no concern (also only eats vegetables if someone else made it and if it tastes good to him). At least he takes vitamins. I’m basically opposite and recently went vegan a few months ago
Same argument applies to you
Eggs are literally full with vitamins. Has every vitamin that a chicken needs. You probably need vitamins much more to not have health decline, and what long term health issues eggs would cause?
@@magyararon6918 True and there is no proof that eggs do anything negative to a human.
That kid is an embarrassment to the United States University system
The thing that irritates me the most about Nick is his smarmy pseudo-intellectualism. "Everyone should listen to evidence" as he gleefully manipulates his audience into heart attacks. Horrible.
@@Amshatelia88
" he gleefully manipulates his audience into heart attacks. Horrible."
Please provide evidence when you slander someone.
Do you evidence to support that statement?
I was vegan for ten years. I work hard labor everyday, vegan was not cutting it. To get enough protein you either shit your brains out from fiber intake or consume massive amounts of highly processed protein supplements. I now consume eggs from my pet chickens and fish and my markers are great.
Excellent analysis... THANK YOU! This is so dangerous for the population. It will keep cardiologists and oncologists in business.
Proof of that please?
still waiting
Hello Mic! I want to tell you how much I appreciate your videos and how much knowledge I gain through your content. You even teach critical thinking. I'm so proud of you!
Eating Eggs instead of meat, AND more fruit...
"It's the eggs!!"
...sure, genius. 😂
What's sad about this is he's using the Harvard reference to indicate intelligence and yet he is intentionally misleading people by not giving the complete picture. Thanks Mic.
Thanks for a great summary at 14:50 : they excluded participants because "we're so special" = special results => found exactly what they wanted to find 😂
There is an important point here when it comes to eggs and dietary cholesterol. The effect is very strongly heterogeneous. About 1/3 of the population are sensitive to dietary cholesterol and have a huge spike when they consume it while the other 2/3 do not see cholesterol rising and may even see a small decrease when consuming eggs. This is important context in meta analyses that show the cholesterol raising effect of eggs; some people genuinely can maintain very low LDL while consuming alot of eggs while others see a huge bump even from a small amount of dietary cholesterol. The other factor is that people that are diabetic seem to be even more sensitive to dietary cholesterol and so they should especially avoid it. Anyway the point I'm making is that the effect is more complicated than SFA which in the majority of people upregulates LDL retention and has a similarish effect on everyone (though not identical).
My dude, just eat vegetables. Lol
These con-artists NEED to be called out and held accountable for the damage they're causing.
Can you give an example of "damage" he has caused?
@@rod7944 The illnesses that pepole will endure following such a diet. Like atherosclerosis, diabetes, strokes...
@@VeganGorilla555LOL I love how you folks keep making baseless claims that have no evidence to support them. Just associative data.
Eggs cause atherosclerosis. There is no proof of that.
Eggs cause diabetes. Really? Not only is there no proof of that, but do you have any idea how many people have beat diabetes by incorporating low carb diets high in eggs? I eat about 25 eggs a week myself and my A1c is down from 6 to 5.1. LOL
Eggs cause stokes. Again, there is no proof of that.
It crack me up how important you think association studies are. I could read these claims all day. Do you think eggs could cause a sunburn?
@@VeganGorilla555 I said proof. Not conjecture. Proof. I'll wait.
@@rod7944 Google it yourself, or just keep waiting, IDGAF.
Yes! I saw this headline and thought, “I’ll just wait for Mic the cover this”
I went to chatgpt to help me understand the topic a little better, thought this might be useful for those like me who are dummies about nutrition:
LDL stands for low-density lipoprotein, often referred to as "bad" cholesterol. LDL carries cholesterol to the cells, but if there's too much of it in the blood, it can build up in the walls of the arteries, leading to plaque formation, which increases the risk of heart disease and stroke.
To clarify about eggs:
Eggs themselves do not contain LDL.
Instead, they contain dietary cholesterol, which is different. The body uses dietary cholesterol to produce various forms of cholesterol, including LDL and HDL (the "good" cholesterol).
How dietary cholesterol from foods like eggs affects LDL levels varies among individuals. For many people, consuming eggs in moderation does not cause a significant rise in LDL cholesterol levels. However, in some people, especially those with diabetes or existing heart disease, eating high-cholesterol foods might lead to an increase in LDL.
In short, eggs do not directly contain LDL cholesterol, but the dietary cholesterol in eggs can affect LDL levels depending on individual health factors.
This channel is so entertaining.
eggs = cocaine
I sincerely apologize for being entertained by someone demonstrating willful ignorance.
"Meatrition" is a helpful historical database of research, i recommend it, regardless of what side of the fence you are on. I'd rather avoid the flurry of denial that may follow as replies. Plenty of this data is older than everyone alive.
He pooped eggs 😂
Eggs no fiber no poop Must smell really good as sulfur comes out thru skin then Lol🤢
Or did he lay eggs in the toilet?
Nick Norwitz looks very healthy, more so than Mic the Vegan. I attribute this to diet.
Your ability to understand health has been deeply compromised. I suggest you actually study this topic more and resist such simple-minded anecdotal criteria.
Why anyone believe he´s even telling the true? He´s a clown and clickbaiter. Please ignore him.
He needs to be debunked cause the vast majority of people think animal products are healthy when they're not.
There are people on the carnivore diet.
He is not telling, he is showing the researches. Do your study at researches and decide.
@@methany4404 he's telling his apparent personal anecdotal experience. What part of the video you didn't understand?
the "clown's" science background far exceeds the backgrounds of 99.5 % of the "researchers" in this space
@@rod7944 oh come on... He shows graphics without values on the Y axis.
Insertcholesterol increases testosterone nonsense here
You are amazing mic ❤ from 🇮🇳 india
Glad for your response, RUclips just dropped me that video the other day, I've watched it. You clearly won with this
Just the thought of eating that many eggs makes me feel nauseous! Imagine if this young man used his intelligence to actually HELP mankind instead of figuring out ways to manipulate vulnerable people? I imagine he thinks he is a cut above ‘ordinary people’. Mic - thanks for sharing the background of Mr Harvard Student. Context is important.
10:02 this Nick dude is very disingenuous. He sounds like Ben Shapiro… Ben Shapiro of health and nutrition “studies”. 🤮 That is a compliment in his circles.
1 persons result does not a study make.
and he never said it did
His story is he suffered from debilitating Crohn's disease symptoms, and he was able to clear his symptoms by going high fat/low carb. I don't know what he ate before, but I have heard antidotal stories of other going WFPB vegan achieving similar results. Anyway, he is all in on his new diet and classifies himself as a Lean Mass Hyper-responder (LMH) which he says represents about 1-2% of the populations, although, he sells it pretty hard for a protocol that's only appropriate for such a small percentage of the population. He does have a rabid following who are all in for big slabs of CAFO raised meat which is a seductive message for many a meat lover. It looks risky to me, but one pays one's money and takes one's chances I suppose. I don't know how one is able to achieve 100% of the RDI of nutrients, especially fiber, on such a diet without seriously exceeding one's recommended caloric intake. They must be running some serious nutritional deficits.
"It looks risky to me" Why? The largest meat eating population on the planet, Hongkong, also has the longest life span.
@@rod7944 It's an excellent question. Hong Kong does have high life expectancy and high meat consumption. The US has one of the worst health care system of all so called industrialized nations. US citizens diets consist of large amounts ultra-high processed foods. US meat is raised on glyphosate saturated soy and corn. Chemicals banned in all other nations are allowed in the US food supply. Conventionally grown US crops are grown on dead soil almost devoid of earth worms and bacteria. Corporate profits are prioritized over all other considerations. I suspect a high meat diet in the US is probably not the same as eaten in Hong Kong. I don't know. What do you think?
@@joecaner I agree with 100% of what you said. I will add for anyone reading, I am not saying that the Hong Kong example proves anything. I only give it as a counter example for the "meat will kill you" crowd to think about.
@@rod7944 That is gracious of you sir. I am interested in finding the best way forward towards achieving and maintaining optimal health adhering to best practices whatever they may be. I don't believe that include fistfuls of supplements. Meat eaters are not my enemies. Fish eaters are not my enemies. Strict vegetarians are not my enemies. One size solutions do not fit all. Be well and prosper.
@@rod7944 That is gracious of you sir. Be well and prosper.
Two eggs are two, too many. Lol. Thanks for your egg-cellent insight, though. 😂❤
Breaking it down to daily consumption, that means eating 8 eggs per meal daily for 30 days - would yield the whopping total!
So he cheated. It's not the eggs, its the healthy fruit that dropped cholesterol. I remember the lame Oreo clickbait he did. He's just continuing the pattern.
He knows his target market alright.
It’s the carbs, it didn’t have to be fruit, just like it didn’t have to be Oreos.
@@CharlieFader The point is this guy just does clickbait stunts, that are basically lies. He claims it was eggs that lowered his cholesterol, when in reality it was fruit.
@@peterscott2662 exactly.
He did not "cheat" because he did not try to prove anything. He simply tried an N=1 experiment and posted the results.
This is great Mic. Need more videos like these to expose those industry plants. This dude not mentioning his already insanely high cholesterol just makes his experiment incredibly misleading.
I'm so glad Mic is still here doing his thing, because, there's so much dis and misinformation out there, these days. Thanks, Mic!!
what misinformation was challenged here? Nick said he ate a shit pile of egg and some fruit and his cholesterol went down. what part of that has been "proven wrong" or is "mis information" He said what he did, and told the results. That's it. Lots of folks have done similar things, like eating lots of eggs, and some saw chol go up, some down. some no change. Who are you to call this misinformation? can you prove these folks are lying?
Great video! Thanks for explaining the other video!
Thanks so much for this analysis. It gives me some things to think about since I have family who claim keto has no effect on their cholesterol. I can be pretty gullible, and this Harvard guy sure makes himself believe in some ways, until you crack his thin shell. 😂
Nice work. The world needs more of you.
you da man mic.
i don't believe anything that guy says about cholesterol and eating all those eggs
His cholesterol dropped because he got bulimia and he puked every day more eggs than on the previous day. 😂
Or maybe his cholesterol dropped because of a drop in cellar damage.
Or, maybe cholesterol level is decided by much more than what you eat. that's why Nick does these things. To get people to think
projection?
Eggs are roughly 50% protein. Aren't there a bunch or rat studies which show high enough "pure" protein intake effecting the promotion and growths of cancer cells? Maybe we will inadvertently have human outcomes now.
Eggcellent vid Mic!
His science is actually dead on, which you'd expect from a Harvard Medical student. And that's why all the recommendations against eggs have been rolled back recently. Because dietary cholesterol has little, if any impact on serum cholesterol in most people. Your liver produces roughly 80% of your serum cholesterol and roughly 20% comes from diet. If you consume more dietary cholesterol, the feedback loop he's talking about, causes your liver to produce less cholesterol. And if your cholesterol levels get too low, your liver produces more.
To be clear, cholesterol is essential. It's used in every cell in the body, extensively.
mike the religious vegan
If nick only ate eggs and nothing else he would be on the toilet 24/7 lowering his LDL.
This Nick is going to kill people period 😮😮
how?
@rod7944 by promoting this stupid Idea that cholesterol my not be a problem....
for French speakers just one egg a lifetime is more than an oeuf
Mic - dude, you accuse Nick of making content for click bait, when you do the same thing! That’s rich. He states this was an n=1 experiment, and that he is in a unique position as a LMH’er. Settle down. Gotta admit, it is interesting data though - and I’m not keto, carnivore, etc. Also, your “problems” with the LMH study Nick is doing is rooted in emotion and your dogmatic bias towards veganism. Dogmatic views like that need to stop. Remember, good scientists/researchers actively try to disprove their own theories by looking for evidence that could falsify them, rather than solely trying to prove them right. Nick goes out on a limb with his experiments. Although I wouldn’t necessarily do what he does myself, he’s looking at other perspectives and challenging conventional theories. This is the type of work that promotes scientific inquiry and advancement.
Excellent comment
The so called food pyramid should be beans, rice, grains, fruits, vegetables, and lentils. And a lot of meat and dairy products
With meat as the foundation
@@mark2073why? We don't need to eat meat to survive
@@mark2073Actually the whole pyramid should be meat🤣 And optional eggs
@@mark2073 and the middle
@@anti-christ.666 change your username to “anti-science” would be much more accurate
The Studie where they claim, that the "Evidence is inconclusive" has this in their results:
"Of these, six publications reported on CVD mortality, and all except one found a higher risk of CVD mortality with the highest egg intake vs. the lowest egg intake (hazard ratio (HR) ranging from 1.14-1.75)."
I don’t think this funding is a reason to dismiss a study; one just needs to look a little closer.
Other Things about the methodology are weird. Like them looking at the past 4 years only or the statistical persentation of the data.
Even if this is true, it is associative data and that's it. Associative data does not, and cannot prove, that eggs cause heart disease. Honestly, it barely even suggests it. It's right there next to completely meaningless. It does not matter HOW many studies find that correlation. No amount of correlation studies can prove causation. Full stop.
Is anyone else deeply disturbed when hearing about such "opinions" circulating around the internet and going viral? Mike, how do you cope? I am struggling and its quite depressing honestly. These people are public health criminals, and there are countless of them.
It's practically pointless to discuss nutrition with people, many will get attached to their comfortable delusional bubble, and there is always some "source" that they will pull up to you to defend their position. It's outright exsausting because one then has to dig deep into such details in hopes of the other person actually following you until you completely dismantle their argument. Any time someone tries to diss my plant based diet or defend their pseudoscience, im faced with a 2-hour wall of analysis in front of me, which most of the time never gets passed. All conversations at that point devolve into meaningless authority appeals.
I feel like a biased hypocrite myself because I honestly can't maintain all this "debate warrior-level" amount of information required, I've also come to trusting some sources along with understanding of some diet fundamentals I learned from Dr.Greger's books. What I mean to say will all this is that the state of mainstream nutrition knowledge in our days sometimes feels total horseshit garbage, and most of us non-experts are left completely powerless. Each of us lives in our personality-reaffirming internet bubble, all armed with countless sources and arguments.
After 6 years, I'm losing my naive "freshly-turned vegan" energy, more and more I just stand and watch as many people I know slowly and proudly kill themselves eating their oh-so-complete-and-bioavailable animal proteins.
Maybe your friends are eating processed foods which is causing their problems. I don't agree that high LDL is a problem. I have a meat and fat heavy diet, I'm very healthy. 50. No health issues, highly athletic, feel better than in my 20's.
@@mark2073 im sorry you missed the point of my comment and at the same time confirming it. im not posting to argue around your anecdotal "proof", im only stating that each person can choose to believe whatever the fuck they want and find authoritative people online supporting them (exactly what you are doing).
The concept of scientific truth is practically lost in nutrition. Mainstream knowledge and understanding is lagging years behind the actual undeniable information that too few % of people are aware of.
The fact that your comment exists in year 2024 supporting that LDL is not proven to cause heart disease (it does) is mind boggling and depressing to me. The bare proven fundamentals regarding the leading causes of death in our society are still controversial.
@bigblueblob8766 The problem with scientific truth is that it is dependent on who funds the study, therefore you can find support for any belief you want out there. I have noticed that Mic rarely spends more than 5 seconds analyzing his supporting studies, and does not vet out bias and conflicts of interest in the funders. But he's quick to point out all this in the studies who disagree with him. All's I know is that all the meat eaters on youtube are very healthy and so am I. Hard to convince me that the food we relied on for millions of years is all of a sudden bad for us. Look at how healthy people were 100 years ago.
@mark2073 I am honestly happy to hear that a 50 year old is feeling better than when he was in his 20s. Well done! But you need to consider your diet and the level of physical activity in your 20s if you are doing a comparison. Obviously removing processed food and replacing it with meat will help you feel better (I am curious what type of your lifestyle you had in your 20s). The argument that we evolved eating meat for millions of years so we are designed to eat it and it must be healthy for us makes sense when we are speaking about survival not longevity. The passing of genes (mating) takes place at a relatively young age and therefore you can't really say if meat has an effect on longevity. I am interested in longevity not purely on the age but more on how functional, strong and independent I would be in my 70s, 80s, 90s... I eat a 90% or more plant based diet since the data on dietary cholesterol and saturated fat is significant and the risks of cardiovascular events (MI/ sroke/ PAD) keeps increasing as we age. There is also a link with DM and neuro degeneration. Whole food plant based eating reduces such risks and together with a healthy socio / mental / physical lifestyle would increase the odds on your longevity. You also mentioned that people were healthier 100 years ago... I am not sure what your argument is. Fors sure they ate less processed food that what is available today and I guess that had a lower BMI on average that the today's average when you consider developed countries (I don't know of there is any data about BMI). However life expectancy was lower especially due to the advancements in medicine and health care and prevention of infections diseases.
@adrianbuttigieg6643 If you look at old videos from the turn of the century of New York streets it's shocking how healthy people looked. Every generation, the baseline gets set lower.
The people making carnie channels here are very healthy. I won't name names due to the all-go-rhythm.
In my 20's I was very active, almost olympic level hill climbing VO2 max. A few minor health issues. Had a gall stone once. By 40 I noticed my face was aging quickly. My diet was low meat, low fat, lots of plants. Not an overly healthy vegetarian diet by today's standards. I'd eat pizza, that kind of stuff. Did eat quite a bit of bread and some processed food which at the time i thought wasn't too unhealthy but I'd never eat it today. I managed to maintain my 29" waist. But in 2020 from sitting on my computer all day and still eating bread I put on a few inches. Then in 2021 I cut out all bread, now I eat lots of animal protein, fat, EVOO, nuts, fruit, cruciferous veggies. My waist is back down again. Today I had a great run, did a 4 minute kilometer. I hear people talk about how their bodies get worse with age and I just have to raise my shoulders. I can't relate to that problem.
I ate a dozen eggs a day for decades. Norwitz is a great example of a curious mind who is willing to ignore establishment dogma and try new things. You can celebrate when I have my heart attack!
I don’t think Nick has ever “knocked” Vegans for their (valid) choices and stance. Why do you jump to conclusions about his purported motives and allegiances? This young guy is helping expand and develop knowledge and the ultra-complex science regarding Lipid metabolism for the ultimate benefit of all…Vegans included! Instead of repeatedly whingeing about him, you should perhaps listen more carefully…and maybe even talk to him one day!
A study of just one person is not science and does _not_ contribute to our knowledge. Nick’s omission of actual cholesterol numbers (showing only percentage change) makes his story even less relevant to knowledge than the lowest form of medical science, the case study.
@@broddr That’s very true, but remember he’s also a RUclipsr (like Mic) and also quite young and “energetic”. He experiments on himself occasionally and there’s probably a lot of click-bait involved, for sure, and some would say that’s also reckless…or brave (!) But he also has genuine science credentials remember. And I think his future research contributions are going to be enlightening…so maybe don’t write him off just yet!
Because Nick's views are not consistent with their "faith" and they assume anyone who challenges what they believe is automatically evil, wrong, and out to make a buck.
Going Forward:
For accurate insights, prioritize studies that:
1. Include detailed dietary logs that specify cooking methods and fats used.
2. Differentiate between organic, conventional, and pasture-raised eggs.
3. Focus on holistic dietary patterns rather than isolating single foods.
This approach will provide a more nuanced understanding of how eggs (and the fats they’re cooked with) truly affect health outcomes.
FYI LDL is not a cholesterol it’s a protein. So calling it bad cholesterol is misleading
LDL is low density lipoprotein. Lipo is literally fat/lipid. LDL is a complex of lipids, mostly cholesterol, being carried by a protein.
not just misleading. It's just pure nonsense.
Wow your video is easy to understand, and on point. Great work
Imagine being a Harvard student and falling for antiscientific bullshit diets. What an absolute spoon.
Maybe he is studying communication and propaganda tactics.
Since you are nocking him, your credentials in science please?
@@moutinexeidwkei He has a Phd in physiology from Oxford University. His undergrad is from Dartmouth. You?