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How to Play & Write Riffs Like CHON
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2017
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Hi, Steve here. In this video I want to show you some ways you can play like CHON. Is spent a ton of time researching some of the song writing methods and techniques CHON possibly use. I turned what I learn into the content of this video. I'll show you ways you can write our very own CHON inspired ideas. Cheers homeys!
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Shout-out to whomever transcribed the English captions!
Although I will say the "ratchety" at 0:33 is "we're actually"! :P
I think its important to note that a lot of Chon's string skipped licks are hybrid picked. Don't limit yourself to just using the plectrum.
that is what gives them their unique sound a good portion of their riffage is hybrid picked and the chords are hybrid picked which gives them a unique sound.
Thanks, Matthew. That is true and it also makes things a lot easier^^. I forgot to mention that in the video.
does chon always use Whammy bars i know Polyphia definitely does
Alex Elmen Polyphia abuses whammy flutters. Chon rarely uses them. Off hand the only song I can think of with Whammy in it by Chon is Waterslide.
Matthew Tims they used a lot of whammy on the new album
the modes are definitely one of the hardest concepts to truly understand and apply in composition. good job at introducing it as something approachable.
I'm blown away by the quality of this Channel's content! Absolutely superb. I've been playing guitar for more than half my life and whenever someone talks scales I usually start to drift off to sleep, it always feels like having someone over your shoulders whispering solutions to a soduko you are doing, yeah you will finish it - but its just numbers on paper, its not your accomplishment. The best part about walking in the woods is getting lost for a bit, never following the path all the way - but that being said he somehow pitched it in a way to me that I'm actually considering doing some research on scales, that's never happens to me before on RUclips, and I've watched thousands of guitar videos here being self taught. Bravo, amazing video, great Channel.
I subbed not mainly because of this lesson but because of the previous ones! I've been playing and learning things solo guitar knowledge of scales etc I don't know a single thing, and you go around and explain some of that in the other videos! Keep up the good work
Chon homeys skrt skrt
This is one of the most helpful tutorials that i've seen in a while. Great work!
Thanks :)
Nice lesson man! Wish i would've had vids like this when i first started learning their songs. These guys are really on another level, both harmonically and technically. I found that watching their playthrough vids helped massively in tackling some of those crazy riffs. there's a lot of technical nuances (pick direction, left hand technique, dynamics, etc.) in their songs that can be worked out much easier when you can see them. I would highly recommend this to anyone who feels like they've hit a technical blockade, helped me immeasurably.
Nice! Thanks for the comment. I prefer the later stuff after this album, I'd say that Animals is my favourite as the vocals and song writing improved, imo.
This was a fantastic lesson. Thank you so very much for these videos you did on math rock.
For those interested in the modes. The modes piece on my website includes both major and minor modes, I forgot to state that, sorry. The three major modes are Ionian mode, Lydian mode, and the Mixolydian mode. The four minor modes are the Dorian, Phrygian, Aeolian, and the Locrian mode.
On my chart, the black notes are where each scale starts from, and you can play each mode in groups of 3 notes, running across the fret board (low to high or high to low).
It is only when we place some kind of harmony behind each mode, do we get the actual sound of a particular mode.
For example, if you wanted to play E Lydian, follow these steps. We can work out that Lydian is the 4th mode (the fourth note in a key), so which key has the note E as its 4th note? B major (B(1) C#(2) D#(3) E(4) F#(5) G#(6) A#(7)), now if we play the E Lydian scale, or better still and of the modes of B (Ionian through to Locrian) with a E major variation as our harmony (an E major 7 for example) it will sound Lydian to our ears.
So how does this work? Each mode has characteristic note(s) that make that mode, let's take our E Lydian example. Lydian has a sharp 4 (IV#), meaning we sharpen the 4th degree of the E major scale.
E major original (E F# G# A B C# D#) with sharp 4: (E F# G# A# B C# D#).
So, as you can see the A has become sharp. This is what makes it sound Lydian. So when playing make sure to include that sharp 4 from time to time to 'colour' that mode, so our ears know, so to speak. There is already a A# in B major so that's why the scale works. So, I hope that clarifies things a little, I know it can sound confusing but it's not too bad when you get your head around it. Try the same for the other modes, and remember their are characteristic notes that make up each mode (these can be found with a quick google search) Check out my video on the Lydian scale, I explain all of what I just said. ruclips.net/video/12dmBo_QJuA/видео.html
Hey! I've been following your lessons for some time now, great work, it's kinda difficult to find lessons in math rock, so please keep 'em coming, this one in particular was very useful for me (:
Maybe we'll get a quick lesson on how TTNG approaches music sometime in the future? :v haha, anyways, thank you so much, greetings from El Salvador~
Excellent lesson man, this helped me a lot with songwriting!
hey man, really like your videos! really inspires me to learn more about music theory and understand this awesome music on a different level :)
That's what I was aiming for! Thank you.
"Even if you're not a fan of Chon" those people exist?
Oh boy they do, and they sure like to tell you that. Haha
They are just haters
Nice one man, I like the example you wrote - it gives a good starting point, I was just analysing their writing as well. Love the video. Thank you!
Thank you, Az. Glad to know they are useful!
Dude you're absolutely incredible, having been a metal guitarist starting a new project, your lessons are godly
Awesome! Glad to hear it.
Oh yes, please do moooooore CHON!
Sure!
Dude, this is top notch. Great stuff! Definitely deserve more views.
Thanks, Zach :)
Incredibly well put together video. Really great stuff. Subbed.
Thank you!
Fantastic lesson homey, much appreciated!
You're welcome.
I was looking for a video like that, thanks man.
You're welcome.
This is a great lesson! Thanks Homey!
Thanks, and you're welcome.
Awesome mate, I requested this on a previous video, wasn't expecting it though, nice work!
Great stuff. I get around to making these kind of things eventually. Haha
Keep it up man, your lessons are really helpful and I'm a massive Chon fan so this just ticks all the boxes for me, do more!
Also, those two examples you put together are sooo tasty!
What amazes me about chon is that unlike tosin abasi, they don't write with the purpose of being musically complex. They just write beautiful melodies with perfect harmonies and it turns out to be musical genius. Could you do a video on their composition/harmonies? The progressions are really unique
Hey, Cristian. There is a great deal I could cover when it comes to CHON, ha. That is something I will possibly do as a follow-up lesson.
Enjoyed this one!! I hope you also end up doing like more "play like" of other bands too like TTNG, Covet, Tangled Hair...... etc. That would be awesome!!
That't the plan! ha. Will be a lot of work but it's worth it for you guys.
Thank you so much!
Awesome video
This was exactly what I was looking for!
excellent!
The moment we've all been waiting for!
Haha. More like this to come!
fantastic walkthrough m80. much love from canada
Thank you, Jaden!
Great stuff
I love Chon and there are woefully few lessons on their music on RUclips. I’d love to see more.
That's great! I have another video that is a very general overview of some of their techniques, etc: ruclips.net/video/8C13ofu962E/видео.html
Hey man nice video! I've watched a few of your videos now, and will definitely be studying the rest, and more to come.Your style of explaining is very approachable.
The only criticism I can make (meant purely constructively!) would be in mic placement/head movement. There were a few times that I had to replay a section with the volume raised in order to catch something you'd said while looking at your fretboard
Thanks mate. Yeah, that's something I need to be more conscious about when recording, and I'll have a mess around with placement, too. The mic I have now is pretty poor, but you'll be glad to know that I've got a better one on the way!
Woohoo, another lesson!
Gracias amigo.
nice lesson :)
Wut the... (poop)! Dew you Knot even Chon?
i had a chon pun, But it's kinda Sketch y
Can't wait for more
perfect puddle
I laugh too much at this and now I can't breathe
I would love to see an Uchu Conbini video.
Those guys are gods of math rock to me.
Nice stuff. I read all the comments below but find no one mentioned how good your guitar tone is. I am surprised a PRS SE can sound so good. Could you tell me what effect did you use?Greetings from China
Can you do another video like this? With one of their newer songs from their self titled album ?
great lesson!!!
Thank you, Christian .
Very helpful putting together their string skipping ideas. I like how you put it together with various shapes similar to theirs. Looking forward to more lessons!
Do tiny moving parts!
Yes, please, some Tiny Moving Parts!!!
Just play in facgce tuning
Aaron Cannada bruh
2020 I still trying to wrap my head around this👀🥺
The thumbnail where you stare into peoples souls has withstood the algorithms test
Finally here :D
you just earned my sub.
Thanks!
and mine!
Anshumaan Purohit +1!
gracias bro !!!
Thank you~
Completely forgot their concert is in my town in 2 days and i didnt buy tickets yet. Cant wait to see tera melos and chon.
I saw them in Portland, Tera Melos and Chon melted my face
Nice. New album tomorrow! I can't wait. Ha
You're great
Can u do Daijiro Nakigawa from JYOCHO?
Great stuff dude. What do use to create fretboard diagrams?
Thanks. I use some software called neckdiagrams.
I think you're wrong in the way you say modes and it will only end up confusing guitarists trying to learn. What you are showing here are patterns of the major scale they used not modes. The mode they play depends on the chords they use in the music NOT where they play on the guitar.
Hey Luis, you're right. They are indeed that. I was looking at it as one giant major scale across the fret board. I think what would've been better for this video, is chords and using corresponding arpeggios with some extra notes derived from the parent key.
Got em
I have a question I get how modes work in major scale say in c. But I’m confused on how to use them for say a f# minor 7th chord? Do I just use f#minor 7th arpeggios? How do I apply modes to this?
@@leoyoung9758 divide them between majors/minors
majors: Ionian, Lydian, Mixolydian
minors: Dorian, Phrygian, Aeolian and Locrian aside since it's not very used
Learn a basic major scale shape and then do the same with a minor one, so you're very familiarized with them,
so now you play them knowingly altering their intervals (supossing you know which alterations make the mode), for me the easiest example is the Dorian mode, you take the minor shape, and you "stretch" its 4th by 1 fret (4th starting from it's minor tonic shape), there you go.. now you're familiarized with the sound of it, try doing it in different shapes on the neck, and then the same with different modes
Leo Young In the major scale the 2nd, 3rd, and 6th degrees all correspond to minor 7th chords. So you could play in F#m Dorian, F#m Phrygian, and F# Aolean, not to mention some other more basic and exotic scales. Your choice of scale will depend on the overall Key of the chord progression, however some modulation in the soloing can always add spice.
Were you trying to target specific chord tones?
What is intro riff from?
thanks for the charts too my theory is meh at best, helps.
You're welcome. I hope they help.
You forgot the bag of weed
Your band is great and really unique. Im curious as to how you guys started. :0
It'll be in my up-coming AMA (Ask Me Anything)!. Stay Tuned.
I declare that Noodling is the best phrase ever!
Haha, cheers Dan^^
If I practice the guitar strings every day, can I be as fit as you? I want to play zee music notes in my sleep and dream of zee strings.
Trollington Seitz, strikes again!
I wish you had gone further with these, it clearly has a lot of potential, judging by the amount of views you got on this one
Hey nuno. Do you mean more CHON vids or just this series in general? I did for ttng and Yvette Young. They take ages to research but like you said they do well^^
Let's Talk About Math Rock I meant CHON in particular! I've loved the ttng one too, and I know you've done another short one for CHON, but there's just so much to learn from their stuff (they even had a new album last summer with lots of new stuff) that I'd love to see a following for this!
Okay^^ sure thing. I'll have a think about what I could cover. Perhaps writing a CHON style chord progression. I love that thing Mario does with chords and little licks connecting them.
Whad drop tuning is this again? thank you . cheers
Hey, Kamarul. It's all in standard tuning.
Plini?
How about some Uchu Conbini, JYOCHO, / Daijiro Nakagawa lessons. Onegaishimasu sensei!
is that a jay turser in the back ?
Nah, just a crappy squier standard, ha.
whats the intro ? and nice vid love chon ; p
The intro song is by my band. The song is called Nothing New, you can find it here.
mountainssk.bandcamp.com/
Thanks!
Could you share a modes pattern in minor, please? I didn't find it on your website.
Hey Vadim. The modes piece on my website includes both major and minor modes I just forgot to state that. The three major modes are Ionian mode, Lydian mode, and the Mixolydian mode. The four minor modes are the Dorian, Phrygian, Aeolian, and the Locrian mode.
On my chart, the black notes are where each scale starts from, and you can play each mode in groups of 3 notes, running across the fret board (low to high or high to low).
It is only when we place some kind of harmony behind each mode, do we get the actual sound of a particular mode.
For example, if you wanted to play E Lydian, follow these steps. We can work out that Lydian is the 4th mode (the fourth note in a key), so which key has the note E as its 4th note? B major (B(1) C#(2) D#(3) E(4) F#(5) G#(6) A#(7)), now if we play the E Lydian scale, or better still and of the modes of B (Ionian through to Locrian) with a E major variation as our harmony (an E major 7 for example) it will sound Lydian to our ears.
So how does this work? Each mode has characteristic note(s) that make that mode, let's take our E Lydian example. Lydian has a sharp 4 (IV#), meaning we sharpen the 4th degree of the E major scale.
E major original (E F# G# A B C# D#) with sharp 4: (E F# G# A# B C# D#).
So, as you can see the A has become sharp. This is what makes it sound Lydian. So when playing make sure to include that sharp 4 from time to time to 'colour' that mode, so our ears know, so to speak. There is already a A# in B major so that's why the scale works. So, I hope that clarifies things a little, I know it can sound confusing but it's not too bad when you get your head around it. Try the same for the other modes, and remember their are characteristic notes that make up each mode (these can be found with a quick google search) Check out my video on the Lydian scale, I explain all of what I just said.
Thank you for such clear reply. Will try to figure it out.
Thanks for what you're doing again. it's great.
But if we look at E Lydian, how could we know that it fits B major, not minor? In case that in both maj and min the 4th note is the same. Because Lydian is a maj scale?
And an example if i'm gonna play E Aeolian, does it fit F maj because it has Edim as 7th (in case that Aeolian starts from 7th)? Or it will fit F min in case that Aeolian is a minor mode?
At the last part I mean "Or it will fit F# min in case that Aeolian is a minor mode?"
sorry, i messed it up, Aeolian is 6th not 7th
1:13 same
Awesome ( : creo que soy la única latina xd
But what happened to their bass player?
He left because he wanted to do a different style of music, or something like that.
BikiniPUNCAKE he said that it was not his decision to leave the band though :(
Where are you from dude?
I'm from England.
This video is pretty interesting to watch, even if it's just to get another perspective on a concept one more or less understands. I don't want to sound rude but you should work on your hand fiddling when you aren't demonstrating something on guitar. It's a bit distracting, though might just be me
ha.. almost sounded like eric johnson there
do polyphia :D
Cool vid but it’s G flat major not F# major an thats for more than one reason
Thanks spanish dude :'(((((
Cool video and I appreciate it, but that sheet music is waaaayyy wrong.
Is Chon a Chinese name or a Korean name?
Joshua Bone it's a mnemonic for the chemical basics of life - Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen
Just let Chon be Chon stop trying to sound like them! Do you
You're great
Thanks