They are? I had no idea, thank you for sharing that. Do you know if this causes meltdowns and shutdowns in people with ADHD too or is it more of a manageable thing compared to the autistic sensory overload with all of the possible effects after some to speak?
The easiest way to explain ADHD is what Dr. Russell Barkley said. "ADHD should be called an executive function disorder." I think a lot of kids who just have energy to burn are miss diagnosed, while quiet kids who "space out" or "day dream" do not get diagnosed. I was not diagnosed until I was in my twenties. But when I finally accepted my diagnosis it explained so much of the things I struggled with.
This... First, I want to say I like the work done for this channel. Even though I don't think I'm autistic, I want to learn more about autism, and this channel is a great resource. Also, ADHD isn't well understood by the general public. It requires a lot of time to get enough information. I'm in my early 50s now and just got diagnosed with 'combined-presentation' ADHD this fall. Unless you count fidgeting with my fingers, I never had symptoms of outward physical hyperactvity. Yeah, the daydreaming, zoned-out, space cadet type... But also a perceptive-at-other-times type... It's funny that I saw one comment here from someone telling us to chill with these speaking-up-for-ADHD-experiences comments, saying that ADHD is already well understood or something like that. I would reply that it clearly isn't if short of finding more informed sources (PhD Barkley, other respected experts, or RUclipsrs that focus on ADHD [Jessica McCabe] etc.), you still find a lot of things online saying that it's having inattention problems or hyperactivity. But yes, an executive function condition with self-regulation issues: regulating attention, regulating emotions, working-memory issues, and so on. Potentially impacting many things... I was told by the psychologist who assessed me that I have some "autistic-like" symptoms, but that she was fairly certain I'm not autistic. In my case she commented on my issues socially being with the 'point of performance' and that I usually had above-average awareness of what was going on and what was expected. It didn't help me at the 'point of performance' though. I don't know but it's what she commented on at least... There seems to be a difference between the two conditions. I don't want to guess. I don't think I'm autistic and I lack knowledge. I came across this article. I don't know how accurate it is. There was a misuse of the term 'object permanence' which made me wonder. But even if inaccurate, the main image reminded me of how I felt when hearing more than once about the massive overlap of symptoms. neurodivergentinsights.com/misdiagnosis-monday/adhd-vs-autism
Same. I would never have been described as hyper-active as a child. However, I struggled terribly with “paying attention,”completing my work in a timely manner - if at all, and especially, being organized. I was diagnosed in my last semester of college (which, incidentally, was my 12th semester). Once we nailed down the right treatment for me, I thought to myself, “My God. I could have gone to law school if I had known this 6 years ago!”
@@k8marlowe Another woman! I got diagnosed FINALLY at the age of 19 - struggled for many years of my life and always wondered, "why do I have to work harder than everyone else, just to get to where they are?" and now I am in a much better place. Medication has truly changed my life.
@@mysteryblondeeWhich meds do you take that help? I’ve been told by a medical professional after a preliminary test that I meet the criteria for adhd although I didn’t get a high score I still met the criteria
First, I think it is a wonderful attempt. But I must say, isolating ADHD to inattention only is very inaccurate. Those with ADHD struggle with emotional regulation, sensory processing, memory, etc. Even saying it is inattention is inaccurate since it is an excess of attention, just often in the wrong place. So with ADHD you get high attention to detail and fixated concentration too. Those saying this helped them figure out they are on the spectrum need to rethink and let your doctor help you figure things out because it very well could just be ADHD. This isn't the video to be making that decision from. All due respect of course! I'm so greatful RUclips has so many advocates.
Thanks for the comment. This was a challenging topic to navigate so it's a fair point to raise. While ADHD most definitely 'centers' on attention (and this is a big feature of some key differences with ASD) the neurodiversity rainbow analogy was trying to show how there are also many other aspects that are commonly experienced with adhd (such as emotional regulation etc...)
@@autismfromtheInside I mean all of those things can be affected by ADHD is the thing: - Attention is obvious and you covered it - Sensory issues are common - Memory issues, especially working memory issues, are extremely common - Emotional Dysregulation is a well known, if often neglected by the diagnostic process, part of ADHD - Many people with ADHD struggle to process information such as instructions, or unclear time restrictions, problems processing time are common, and inattention means they miss a lot of information - Not so much the language section, but a neurodevelopmental disorder like ADHD is, strangely enough, going to affect development. I appreciate the good intent, but the video just went slightly off the rails during that section. It could lead to a lot of people thinking "oh...well I have issues with more than attention, so I guess it's autism" when that's not necessarily the case.
I wrote a wrote reply here which erased but I have to agree. Issues with misreading social cues is extremely common in ADHD . That combined with issues with impulsivity and a lack of a filter can make social situations very challenging for children with adhd. They are also often 2-3 years behind socially from their peers. They often also have sensory processing issues as well as well as issues with hyper focusing (getting stuck on activities or topics and having a hard time Adhd is an issue with attention and it can also go both ways. For example, a child can be inattentive but also have a very rich world in their head they retreat to with characters and people and dialogue. They might not be able to attend to school but can sit for hours programing video games or practicing dance. If you look at what actually goes into diagnosing adhd its a lot more than just attention (or lack there of) and touches on basically every area you mentioned in the rainbow. That is a very big simplification of what adhd is and how very challenging it is to live with in all areas. Yes, even language.
As someone who is currently doing a PhD in Physics but can't remember the names of anyone except my closest friends and family members no matter how hard I try, I burst into laughter when I heard "a person might find particle physics very easy but remembering peoples names very difficult"
It's like my brain actively seeks to destroy me. College Classmate: Hi ! I'm [name.] Me: This person wants to be my friend. I should remember their name. My Brain: lol no Second day: I ask for their name again, and go to write it down. Me, going to write down their name 5 seconds after they told me for the second time: I really want to remember their name, what was it again? My Brain: lol no, here's their face, major, place of origin, and a summary of the lesson from last lecture. They tried talking to me later but I never responded because I didn't know their name and was too embarrassed to ask again.
It bugs me that the diagnoses are purely based on how well you can mask and fit into neurotypical society from the neurotypical person's point of view, not on the other struggles you may be masking which may be having a far greater impact on your mental health due to the pressure to mask!
Yesss exactly i just had a big fight because My parents are tired of me being sad because i basically have No Close Friends bit they think that I'm just not trying
@@alicia1636 Friends aren't a necessity. Being happy in your own company is worlds more beneficial than a few friends to hang out with. Seriously, reality is what you make of it. If you think you need friends to be happy, that is your reality. I really hope you feel better as I was on the same boat but it all starts on the inside
@@alicia1636 Better to be alone then feel alone in a crowed good friends are a bonus but if you haven't met anyone you connect with your better off doing what you like then being made miserable from evil people good ones are rare if your young you may not have the opportunity to met people worth your time once your on your on doing what you truly enjoy you will find better people for you.
it's frustrating how most people haven't realised that traits of neurodiversity are pathologised just bc we don't fit in - it can be helpful to diagnosing some people, but not all folks present to the degree expected by nt professionals who are usually looking front he outside in. i'm not diagnosed, but i've done a lot of research and am lurking in the neurodivergent community. i felt really upset when i realised that. i guess ignorance is bliss.
To my sweet adhd and autistic people, depression can be comorbid. You're doing great and I think you're awesome, you deserve to be your sweet loving self ❤️
Thank you, my friend was saying the other day that adult adhd isn’t real and it’s all just too much social media. Iv struggled my whole life and it really got to me. I really really needed to hear this right now ❤❤
@@Rosspark100 Oh no.. A lot of people think adhd isn't real because it's not visible like a broken leg. It is real and so is the struggle sometimes. Keep your head up, you too are capable and worthy of healing 💕
Virtually everyone with ADHD has trouble regulating emotions and will have trouble with "inappropriate" (read: not useful) hyper-focus too; those are NOT solely autistic traits and ADHD has a much more broad impact on a person than just attention regulation. ADHD is not as simple as you state here in this video, and there is even greater overlap between autism and ADHD than you acknowledge within this video.
While I agree with you overall, I want to point out that you "can" (albeit, that doesn't mean you should) still call all of its effects a matter of attention regulation. The thing is that the attention plays a significant role in all aspects of life. Much more than the average person expects. I suspect, as a person with ADHD, you know this better than most. From that perspective, this video didn't really do a bad job, even if it was a tad misleading.
TL;DR: There's, clearly, something wrong with me. Let's not fixate on semantics. Yes. Hyperfocus is part of ADHD, too. Earlier this year: I tried to get social benefits (because I couldn't deal with being unable to afford underwear and shoes anymore). I was asked for legal documents I knew nothing about. So I, naturally, spent the summer reading laws ('turns out there are a few…). I'm passionate about flying… So -of course- I spent way too long learning about aeronautics. I know many different topics, all of them very specialized. I can remember exact sentences I heard, said, or read at random points of my life. Yet, somehow, I seem unable to tie my shoes when the ice-cream truck passes in front of the house. I don't know what I have; it's something. Given my IQ (however pointless that shit is), I should at least have a couple masters by now. My highest diploma is from the 3rd year of (Belgian) high school (which I did four times). Oh, yeah… I learned English watching RUclips, by the way. My English is better than my French (which is my mother tongue). Sorry for the wall of text.
Emotional dysregulation is a _huge_ part of ADHD, and SPD is also quite common. Both have asynchronous development. Both struggle with executive function. Memory is quite different in both, wherein with ASD it's usually quite exceptional and in ADHD the working memory is shot (due to the difficulty of managing attention) (which is really fun when you've got both). A lot of people with ADHD also struggle with social interaction and social cues. They're not on the opposite sides of a spectrum, they very much interlap and some of the same areas in the brain are different.
They overlap so much that, even tho I've been only diagnosed for ADHD(yet), I don't discard the possibility of me being autistic too, neither discard the ADHD possibility in my autistic brother, but our primary diagnosis are ADHD for me and autism for him
@@thesalazar7328 It's also been shown that family members can have parts of the disorder (e.g. you having autistic traits) without necessarily having the full disorder. They found that in those cases the parts of the brain that are affected in asd/adhd are also affected in those family members, but not the cerebellum ( _if_ I remember correctly). Russell Barkley has talked about it, I _think_ it was in his "The Neuroanatomy of ADHD and thus how to treat ADHD" speeches/videos. In any case, it's always best to know your brain and take any advice that will help, regardless of diagnoses. :) (imho)
As a person with ADHD I find isolating ADHD just to one area as very, very harmful. You say that you don't need social or emotional condicions to be diagnosed with ADHD but it's not true. You say that people with ADHD don't get fixated but it's not true. You say that ADHD is not a sensory issue and also, it's not true. Man, you could just ask somebody with ADHD for insight...
@@inconspicuousbystander6224 I get your points here, but I think what most are pointing out is that the creator of the video has a severe misunderstanding, or at the very least is severely over-simplifying, the symptoms and issues that come along with having ADD. It is, was, and probably forever will be a rather misunderstood disorder, much like autism. Trying to have a helpful video that allows people to compare the two disorders with their own internal experiences is not very useful when one of the two disorders is mischaracterized or misrepresented. Certainly, there would seem to be a significant overlap between the two diagnoses, but both of them are incredibly complex, diverse, and not even mutually exclusive. The best example I can give on the inaccuracies of the video is at 4:51... It has Autism on the overregulated side, and on underregulated it says "ADHD [autism too!!]". I can tell you hands down ADD is also often an overregulation. I believe that both disorders can frequently go to both sides of this axis, and that's why both struggle so much with attention in general. Fixating, rumination, over-intellectualizing, social anxiety, as well as day-dreaming, distraction, interrupting, lack of focus are all issues of both. It's unfair to a person seeking help to not get the full picture of both.
Interesting perspectives. The opera thing COMPLETELY resonated with me. 100%. I guess considering the fact that ADD and ADHD are called Attention Deficit Disorder and Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder respectively, it can be understandable that people will believe those diagnoses are mainly based on.. well, attention.
Man I am so sensory responsive I can barely function sometimes..... As an ADHD person. Super ripe fruit is fully offensive, as is a bright sun with a thin cloud cover. Weirdly i can identify decomposition pretty accurately and without offense, though. (I live in farmland, where animals die regularly near the home). Some "satisfying" videos are so uncomfortable I want to crawl out of my skin.
@Duncan Thomson possible. I have every ADHD symptom plus more. I have travelled and currently live in a country that only recently acknowledged it's existence, and most people just say it's not a thing. So getting pro help is almost impossible. Sun sneeze??? Maybe? Not a super sneezy person but yeah, sometimes I get fits from what seems like nothing. I'm hypersensitive and allergic to very random things also, as well as having an endorphin imbalance- sometimes my body produces none when it should, but then I get the giggles from pain sometimes too
As others have pointed out this is very mischaracterizing of ADHD. It is much more than an inability to concentrate, it's an inability to choose what you concentrate on. This will sometimes manifest as getting distracted but it will also manifest as getting hyper focused on a particular thing. This will usually depend on if the person finds a given task engaging in and of itself because we aren't as affected by external rewards. For example, because I like programming, I could spend all day programming without getting distracted at all, but I will constantly get distracted while writing. Emotional regulation, sensory processing, and memory are also usually greatly affected as well as social ability.
"it's an inability to CHOOSE what you concentrate on" Yes!!!!!! The constant internal monologue/argument as you feel hijacked by your own brain. Thinking, "I need to go do X, I actually want to go to X", but good luck getting my brain to disengage from what it is already rhythmically doing and task switch. But, then ironically, once I have pulled out of my "zone" and I'm moving through physical space, so many things can distract me right back into another zone away from the thing I was intending to go do.
But he did mention all of this lol he just says that all those things come from a different place in each one. And I guess the easiest way to tell the difference is through the attention frame.
he is missing a TON of insight tbh. being autistic starts with senses and ends with emotion. all the rest is survival strategies and the effects of psychological harm. a little worrying that he apparently teaches about emotional intelligence but seems to not understand its role. ugh and then there's the language, full of focus on diagnosis and outdated terms and negativity. we have had decades of people trying to describe and apparently there's still close to zero thought put into the Why and How... its all who, what, where, when.
He does mention it (at least in his other, longer video on comparing the two); of course this video isn't comprehensive, it's short, but he clearly said that this is a visual/animated simplistic overview on four key differences between ADHD and autism; as to outdated terms - people tend to understand those better than the newest terms (as long as they aren't offensive or highly invalidating/misleading... I don't have or see a problem) and not everyone (even within the same community) always agrees on all the appropriate terms, which are best... Isn't it important how those with the diagnosis want to be labeled? Who am I to tell him to stop using Asperger If that's more accurate for him? 🙂
i hyper focus alot and also forget a fuck ton of things from 10 mninutes ago, and i struggle with school (fuck standardized essays) but excel with art and shit dats creative where i can truly express mehself. its why i started a yt btw. to be mehself and just have fun
he does mention it tho. he even says that most of the symptoms overlap, not just hyperfocus. as a simplified view of both conditions to compare them it was good (at least for me, it made me understand a little more the differences)
I only have ADHD diagnosed, but I relate to nearly every point for autism, too, and do relate to a lot of autism symptoms. Only if I had more skills in phoning the doctor instead of being able to explain the different eras and major events and changes in Club Penguin.
Dyspraxia includes emotional dysregulation and sensory processing issues too. I see nobody mentions Dyspraxia which is a neurodivergent condition that overlaps and co-morbid with Dyslexia, Dyspraxia, and Autism. I am a neurodivergent with Dyslexia, Dyspraxia, ADHD.
I love your videos . I have ADHD . My son too . My son was was not talking at 2 years old . He had speech therapy until he went to school . He did not really fit in . He would cry and beg me not to send him to school . The school would call me , sometimes a couple of times . I'd have to go pick him up and take him home . Usually they had him pinned to the floor . So he wouldn't hurt himself or others . I was very disheartening to see your child not thrive . These days he has married and has a daughter . He owns his own home . He took out a mortgage at 23 years old . The house was paid for . He then got married . I am very proud of him . I got him help at a young age . He needed consistency . A routine . He was enrolled also for Navy Cadets . He loved it . When he was too old for the program , he worked as a volunteer . It is still hard to get a conversation going with him . A man of little words . He was given the tools to work around his "disabilities" . I am so proud of my son .
I was severely traumatized years ago as a teenage, got diagnosed with ADHD. Also suffered severe depression and mental disorder. Spent my whole life fighting ADHD. Not until my wife recommended me to psilocybin mushrooms treatment. Psilocybin treatment saved my life honestly. 8 years totally clean. Much respect to mother nature the great magic shrooms.
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It's important to note that ADHD is more nuanced than just being hyper and/or easily distractable. Although all people with ADHD have symptoms of attention deficit, we might also have dysregulation in other areas as well, such as trouble managing our emotions or challenges with auditory processing, bodily coordination, etc.
Neurodivergent teacher of kids with ADHD and ASD here. I've been continually coming to see ASD and ADHD as different sides of the same coin with each of the symptoms lying on a spectrum rather than executive function.
The fact that I had to keep backing up the video when it got to the maze because I couldn't hear the words or notice anything but the maze is clarifying for me
I swear I think I'm ASD-ADHD, its so crazy because when my head sometimes gets so fuzzy that I can't see what is important what isn't, I think to myself "this is ADHD because of the prioritization and filtering inability" BUT THEN I REALIZE I'm also not prioritizing or filtering BECAUSE I'M TOO BUSY FEELING AND SENSING EVERYTHING ON A PRIMAL LEVEL!!!!
After having to rewind this video multiple times after losing concentration, there is so much here that I can relate to. I have yet to get diagnosed, and maybe I won’t ever, but it oddly makes me feel understood. Thank you.
"Let's put on a 16-hour dance party and no one eats or sleeps until it's done" Lol this sounds like me, it's either 100% or 0%, nothing inbetween I'm almost certain I have both autism and ADHD but I am definitely farther towards the ADHD side when it comes to regulation
Yes that sounds like my sister- relentless workaholic. She does suspect she has ADHD. Even on holiday she doesn't let us relax and chill much cos she wants to get a hundred things done
Okay I'm sure I don't have ADHD then, because even if I'm highly focused on a task, I feel the need to take a little break every 3 or 4 hours to rest my noggin a bit
I was diagnosed with adhd or add. I can be very lazy and lack motivation. Not all adha people esp women have the hyper aspect. I was hyper as a child though.
Thank you SO MUCH for this video! My little (probably) autistic brain doesn’t like long paragraphs or videos of people talking for 20 minutes without illustration. This is way easier to comprehend :)
I'll be in the kitchen thinking of something I need to do in the bedroom, but have to walk through the living room to get there. I will be distracted by something in the living room, do that task and totally forget the task I had to do in the bedroom. This happens constantly which is why I am not very productive. It does help a bit to make a list and try to do at least one or two things in one day.
That is SO me! It's so frustrating 😓 have you seen that episode of Malcom in the middle? It's hilarious, there's a scene exactly like what you're describing 😋
My husband and I both enjoyed this very informative video. He’s 56 and recently started the Emotional Intelligence course work. Staying at home really gave him ample opportunity to engage with it. Thanks Paul for all you do, I was so thrilled to find your channel and share it with my husband who was self diagnosed in 2012. Your videos have helped me so much in understanding him better. We’ve been married 26 years and I knew he was different from the start, but that was also the why 😉
I was diagnosed with autism January 2022. I'm borderline ADHD but was told I didn't need to have that as a diagnosis. I found your explanation very helpful, thank you and shall give you a shoutout on tiktok.
Thank you so much for making this video. My 6yr old daughter has both and it has been a challenging journey to understand how to be a good mother to her, even though I have ADHD myself. God bless you!
I've known for a couple decades that I have ADHD and only recently began self-diagnosing being autistic. This is incredibly helpful in understanding myself and hopefully in helping me articulate my experience and needs to others. Thank you.
@@Trollestiatumblur not everyone has health insurance, can afford it, or is able to work up the courage to get diagnosed. there's a lot of big problems with the process
@@Trollestiatumblur self diagnosis is valid. Not everyone can afford the several thousand dollars for a diagnosis (even WITH health insurance). And the diagnostic criteria are still so skewed to males, and distorted by “theory of mind” misconceptions, that if you’re not a (white) male, you are likely to come away misdiagnosed. Most older autistic women have a long history of misdiagnoses. Women still get told we can’t be autistic because we have friends/partners/children, and other shit men don’t get told (presumably because there’s still an assumption that in a relationship, the woman is the one doing all the emotional work, the man goes out and earns a wage). Diagnosis brings understanding, acceptance and coping skills - but formal diagnosis is out of the reach of many. Generally women, people of colour and people from socially disadvantaged backgrounds. You have to ask yourself why you have a problem with people self-diagnosing.
@@thesciencelab1251 Lmfao, I’m black and Native American, lgbt, and a woman... who the hell do you think you’re talking to? I have an issue with self diagnosing because people who do self diagnose are usually wrong and don’t do research. I have a plethora of mental health issues that I’ve been dealing with since I was little, and I can’t tell you how many damn times I get the “omg same, I also have anxiety. Like, I hate people!” Or “I have ADHD too! I’m just so hyper, you don’t look like you have ADHD.” “Im also Bipolar, like, I just cried over a jellybean and then laughed half a second later lololol! So quirky and funny!” And the list goes on and on. You wouldn’t self diagnose for a physical illness like diabetes, lupus, cancer, or literally anything unless it was the damn flu. So why label yourself with mental illnesses? It could be a complete misdiagnosis. And yes doctors misdiagnose things, I’ve been a victim of that, but I still trust someone with a degree verses someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
I don't see it that way. He's contrasting the messy human side with the easy to fit in a box clinical aspect. That's how I took it. Because frankly the clinical aspect is somewhat dehumanized in my experience
Yes. Me too. It's really simple to explain: when I am on stage, I know what's going to happen. In a phone call, I don't. On stage, it's me. On the phone, there's interaction.
Severe ADHD childhood, here. My nephew has Aspergers, still not sure if he’s also ADHD. What I experienced, during hyper-focusing, was not really about “getting stuck”. I always felt I could pull away, if I wanted to, I just never felt anything else was important enough to pull away to. I hear from those with Autism, that rumination and feeling stuck, is the better description. This video has my attention and I’m here for it!
I'm late diagnosed ADHD-C. I can relate to a lot of Autistic traits; mainly the sensory ones. I also hate disruptions because it takes me so long to garner my focus in order to do something useful. If that gets disrupted, it's like someone set off a bomb in the room and I feel disorientated, angry and stressed. The social problems I experience are probably more ADHD related... getting so bored by inane social chit-chat that my attention wanders. Being clumsy or saying the wrong thing (impulsivity). I do like my own company though... mainly so I can focus and think straight. I've done several online tests for Autism and they've suggested I possible have mild autistic symptoms. I've always felt very comfortable with autistic people. I especially like the straight talking, no hidden agenda, it makes me feel more secure and my friendships are genuine. I think you've explained it quite well.
ADHD has a difference in MANY areas...Socio-emotional regulation/development, sensory processing, perceptual reasoning, reading social cues/following rules/social norms, authority figures... the list goes on. I appreciate you making this and speaking to the experience of people with ADHD as there is overlap between the two conditions, but please update this information. Thank you!
Emotional Regulation is a big part of ADHD too @ 2:53 Also I was diagnosed with autism and still suspect adhd. I relate to basically almost all of the stuff here on ADHD instead of autism for attention regulation XD
Same here! I was diagnosed with ASD at 18 but as I've got older I've found myself no longer relating to autism, but still relating to the symptoms of ADHD. I suffered from really bad social anxiety as a teenager, but this went away as I got older. I still struggle with regulating my emotions, managing my time and focusing though. I completely believe I have ADHD but I was misdiagnosed...
Man I need a coach or something. I have such a hard time organizing myself yet I can organize others. Everything is so jumbled in my head right now. I wish there was a hot line or something that specialized in helping people like us.
I thought I was autistic but actually I’m definitely just ADHD but quiet. I understand social cues and dirty jokes just fine but get so distracted and nervous that I space out instead of just reacting that I look stupid probably in the moment. I was bullied heavily growing up and judged so I feel people are judging me even if I know it’s possible they’re not. So my trauma makes me dissociate a lot that sometimes I mistook my adhd for autism
Oh god that overregulation part... The number of times I stayed at the office overnight bc I just wanted to work non-stop to finish a big project sooner make a little more sense now.
thank you, youtube algorithm, for putting this is my hands! my mum has adhd and she thinks i may too, but is unsure. on the other hand, i think i may have autism, and am unsure, but am still gathering data and research. this video really helped me realize the differences between me and my mum’s brain. on the outside, our brains are the same, but differences really show when, for example, she forgets to clean and then has a few hours when really into it, compared to how i like and sometimes nonstop do cleaning until it is done, or not notice it much at all. we are very similar but different. this video explained a lot. thank you!! :)
I see you have gotten a lot of feedback on this regarding ADHD and the nuances people think you didn't include. I understand that it's very hard to fully understand ADHD and convey the core of the condition with precision, and I appreciate you trying to make a helpful video. I agree with people saying it's at its core a executive functioning disorder or an attention regulation disorder, but very often also involves SPD, emotional regulation difficulty and memory issues. I would like to add to that (as and ADHD adult myself) that because of the dopamine deficiency in ADHD brains, it makes our performance level very dependent on context. For me this is a clear tell that I spot in all ADHD people: if there is a short deadline/ dire, imminent consequences/ intense interest/ high adrenaline in the situation -most ADHD people will get stuff done and function sometimes better that NT people. Because those situations will trigger our brains into action and compensate temporarily for our dopamine deficiency. But you could give them the *same* task in a context where they have none of the above mentioned circumstances, and therefore nothing helping them with the dopamine levels (making task initiation and sustained attention very hard), -and they most likely will underperform compaired to their Intelligence and knowledge skill. My psychologist said: 'consistently inconsistent performance' is often the first clue for me that a person has ADHD.
Well if this is true, then I have probably had ADHD my entire life. But I also score over the cutoff score on online ASD tests. I'm elderly and poor, so I'll probably never know, for sure. But it's interesting reading all these sites and watching all these videos! This guy did a really good job... I know someone well who is ADHD; I'd say your description fits him, as well. That being said, I think the psych field changes with its labels quite often, and that none of this is etched in stone. I had been misdiagnosed with another condition for years; now, I am entertaining these other two conditions instead, but I am also wary of pinning anything on myself. The label may change in 10 years... but by then, I'll probably be dead anyway, so it won't matter. : ) I guess I'm saying I'm ambivalent both about self-diagnosis or even seeking one out, professionally. I think everyone is too easily labeled, nowadays.
I think I'm something but really not sure what! possibly just a highly sensitive person with some c-ptsd. The journey to understanding continues... Thanks for this x
When it comes to difficulties with turn taking and social interaction, anxiety can seriously affect these things. It is possible to appear socially distracted if you are anxious.. likewise emotional regulation, attention and problem-solving are also impacted by anxiety. "Significant difference" is often enough to suffer from social hurt from those around you in the form of ostracism or bullying.. which is more likely to reinforce social anxiety. There is a Lot going on in Neurodiverse folk, and often these things are cocktails.
@@mikanchan322 I tend to think of them as co-occurring, rather than comorbid. Many of these things are not inherently dysfunctional, they are just interacting parts of a complex system.
Check your spelling of “language” on your picture set. Btw, I can’t express my appreciation enough for your videos… It’s been beyond awful with relationships and communication recently in a life-destroying way, truly. The videos help get through it, and give some valuable hints for handling it. Thank you.
I think we still have a long way to go in understanding the link between ADHD and autism. One thing I haven't seen reported elsewhere and I see it in my family is autistic traits being more pronounced during childhood and ADHD traits during adulthood, in the same person.
I agree with the ADHD traits being more pronounced during adulthood. As I progressed through my 20s it got harder and harder to cope with. Imo the more responsibility someone with ADHD has the worse it gets. Society ain't right for non-nt people... Also, I don't have autism, but do you think your family members just got better at masking with age?
Due to the large crossover of symptoms in both ASD and ADHD, the same genetic markers in individuals with both, and higher than normal occurrences of each occurring with parents of either group, it's been speculated in multiple peer reviewed journal articles that ADHD and ASD aren't as separate as we originally thought.
More than 3/4 of ASD individuals have diagnosable ADHD symptoms. And, while I need to double check this number, about 15% of ADHD individuals have diagnosable ASD symptoms. It's only been in the most recent DSM that both ASD and ADHD were allowed to be diagnosed in the same individual. Before this, they could only diagnose one because it was believed that you couldn't have both.
I have ASD and my best friend has ADHD. I think we compliment each other well because we have a lot of similar mental health struggles (depression, anxiety, social anxiety, insomnia, etc.) albeit for different reasons. Because our strengths are different, I can help her with things she finds difficult (paperwork, for example) and she has taught me a lot about how to interact with people (e.g. making eye contact in order to properly see someones facial expression). Thank you for making this video, I feel as though I understand myself and our friendship a lot better. We feel ashamed of ourselves a lot because we struggle to function on a day-to-day basis. But "shame cannot survive empathy". You are doing wonderful work teaching empathy for neurodiversity! Thank you so much!!💕💕💕
Good quick way of looking at things. ADHD is a whole lot more encompassing than what you mentioned and there is much more overlap with autism than what you noted though. So, ADHD often comes with executive function issues (including memory, organization, differences in time perception) that go beyond the emphasis on attention you put here as well as emotional regulation issues -- again not really mentioned here. Plus, even just referencing attention, the mention you made of how affinity and emotion affect this was flattened in your presentation. This is a marked difference between an ADHD person and a neurotypical. Also, there is often a lot around sleep cycles (which can be depending on how you choose to characterize them different from the neurotypical to dysfunctional) with ADHD and those have implications in how the person self-regulates. I think this has parallels with autism. On the emotional front, similarly ADHD people and autistics seem to have stronger emotions than neurotypicals - which may also be seen as a dysregulation depending on your perspective. It seems to be an ADHD and autistic thing to have meltdowns and shutdowns, to have one's energy wiped by some encounter, to have the day demolished by some emotion. Hyperfocus is a major thing for many ADHDers for good and bad. Issues with organization are major. Something else, you mentioned the relationship for ADHD people between interest and being able to engage with something. That link is there for autistics, too. In my experience, with the autistics I know, there is very little chance that I can interest them in something that is outside of their "special interests" whereas I can get interest and engagement from an ADHD person. It can definitely be hard to get their sustained work on something that isn't stimulating but they don't necessarily have as firm exclusion zones. Lastly, I would add that often ADHD people are people oriented and externally motivated whereas most commonly autistics are self-referential and highly internally motivated. Interesting that it's fairly common to find ADHD-autistic couples and friendships. For someone who is an ADHD person, every aspect of their life tends to be affected. It's like autism in that you find yourself wondering "Is this me or is this my ADHD trait?" and thinking "The traits and who I am as a person really aren't separable." The same reason I see autistic vloggers talking about why they prefer the term autistic over "someone who has autism" or someone who is "living with autism."
This morning i was sure i may be autistic, or possibly have ADHD had my diagnosis i have both, Paul, your videos have helped immensly the last six months as ive navigated the pathway, youve put things in a way that has really made sense to me, especially things around social situations and burnout, thank you brother
Ive been diagnosed with adhd for 13 years and know I have it bc in the middle of this video I started staring off into space and thinking about how I don’t like buttermilk pancakes and it would be cool to start a restaurant with just normal pancakes.
I have adhd but think I may also be autistic. I'm 21 and it is hard to find someone who will test me. Your videos have been very helpful, especially this one.
I am truly amazed that you managed to get all of that into under 10 minutes. Excellent presentation of a very complex issue, and a superb introduction to a topic.
I will say while adhd is inability to regulate attention, sometimes that means getting stuck on a task that’s not even considered entertaining or fun but your brain has decided is stimulating. It’s not boring and goes really fast but also my idea of a good time isn’t emptying my email but I’ve found myself stretching and popping after 2+ hours of sitting in silence sorting and deleting emails. Plus emotional regulation isn’t the key thing in diagnosis, but it’s a HUGE part of adhd as well as memory issues. My working memory is awful and it’s a symptom of adhd to struggle to hold more than one or two ideas in your head while some people w ADHD have awful long term memories as well, quite a few have awful short term and great long term. I would say that adhd and asd symptoms are at two ends of a spectrum, and you can really present with more adhd symptoms with some less severe asd symptoms or vice versa, or a mix of both types, but really the symptom pool is mostly shared. This isn’t my saying they’re exactly the same because there are key differences, but they have quite a bit of overlap and superficial similarities.
I have inadvertently developed a special codephrase over the years that refers specifically to getting fixated on things that bore me. Whenever I complain that my day was unproductive, it means I spent the whole morning scrolling through websites that were boring me and yet I could not stop. Could not stop. Scrolling. Bite-size stories. I didn't actually enjoy reading hours worth of them, but I just couldn't stop scrolling. Spending my whole morning doing boring things usually means that when I finally get away from it, I go to bed and sleep. That's most of a day gone right there.
Yes, 100%. It isn't the case that the stuff we hyperfocus on has to be enjoyable or entertaining. It just has to engage whatever brain levers needed for hyperfocus. Worst for me would be tasks like what you outlined, online list making and quizzes (like name those countries or states on Scorple), crossword puzzles, etc. I can easily spend hours on those things with diminishing returns in terms of enjoyment yet disinclination/inability to stop (like what was mentioned in the video re the maze). I think he's right about it being more likely that an autistic would spend a week on a task like that while an ADHD person would maybe spend a full-on day not sleeping or eating once engaged but I don't think the mode of engagement is that different. It isn't always about actual enjoyment or interest beyond a basic mouse hits the lever and gets a food pellet level.
My symptoms and experiences line up more with ADHD (which I’m diagnosed with) but when you said that some people with autism could be great at being on stage but find phone calls anxiety inducing I relate to that so much. 😅
You are fantastic I refused to speak outside the family until I was 5. I (as a child) would rather wet myself than ask for help to use the bathroom, or be obvious going. In high school, I won a gold medal for reading a poem about a turtle... I was obsessed with turtles. When my teacher insisted I read a completely different work for my next competition, I failed because I didn't understand the subtle sarcasm of the piece, and she couldn't get that. Soon after I quit the team. I meet random people on the sidewalk and share profound experiences, but have few close friends. I spend 90% of my time in my studio and I'd rather rip shipping tape off my chapped lips than participate in small talk over a telephone ☎️
Idk if I have adhd or autism but I had to rewind and rewatch this video countless times cuz I kept zoning out or pushing the noise to the back of my head and focusing on comments or the videos on my feed
Got both of it diagnosed for a few years. It is one of the running gags to decide which of my behaviours or those of my colleagues are rather adhd or autistic. Looking forward to this video
I'm in my 30s and recently have been diagnosed with ADHD but I have a lot of these Austism symptoms. The performing on stage (which everyone says I have an amazing stage presence) vs the phone calls (I will not answer the phone, having an unrehearsed phone call is grounds for a meltdown) was spot on. I really wish I didn't have to clean the house but I go and go and go even in pain until it's done. No one asked me to but I just had to do it. My life is mostly my husband asking me why I feel so compelled to do things even beyond the point where it was enjoyable and begging me to stop doing something at 11pm but I keep going non stop until 11 am.
I was very lucky to be diagnosed with autism at the age of 7. Idk if i have ADHD though, so thats why i'm watching these videos to see if it's worth talking to my parents about. Good luck to everyone in the comments and i hope you have a wonderful day! :)
There is definitely a lot more to adhd than is presented here. I do think this video does present some of the differences between adhd and autism well, but it does fall short in explaining adhd and how it affects a person
@@babybonesxd4810 huh that might be a possibility, especially since no one really thinks its worth it to learn more about ADHD. it's always considered "not that bad" or like it can't be debilitating even by people who specialize in it. im not a doctor or a scientist ofc but i know how my shit affects me
@@phoenix2582 exactly. I actually met with my doc last night and talked to him about this and he was pretty intrigued. I am currently convinced that ADHD is just "high functioning" autism with anxiety.
Draft, will be back later: I can't believe I missed this one! Graphically organized genius, cheers. I need some basic ones on highly talkative and intensely focused and goofy moving and HIGH ANXIETY from PHONES like they are disembodied voices so my mind's ear tries too hard to find the face in the voice. So stressful. Never been able to handle phones, always dread them but can totally fake being at ease because I MIRROR .... Anyway, local law enforcement forces ONE PLATFORM of communication on the public, mainly the phones. My autism usually precludes me from using them in any crises. Local law enforcement (Sheriff) has reached out GRACEFULLY to meet me face to face, so I feel comfortable calling, but it wants to bring along other advocates, and I don't like being outnumbered. I get way too much stimulation and input from more than one person at a time, simply from their being present, unless I have like a written agenda or I know how they are. It makes me look paranoid, but my sensory processing issues warrant the backup of text and a limit of one "stranger" at a time. And, I have autism related chronic pain so need to stay a bit doped up during the day to get stuff done, to the point I requested to be excused from jury duty. Tightrope walk, life can be with AUTISM. I am a retired Special Education teacher and managed very well because I guided the strongest students in teaching the others, with kindness, so I could step out of the spotlight entirely and just watch. These above statements are all ideas I have right now on producing some educational vids for law enforcement. I love the one that says I am not on meth ..... but the others I watch are total CRINGE. Thanks for holding a space for me to express myself. :) I remember my autistic-ness as a very small child. I wonder how many others do because we are so self monitoring. I will try making some white board and face vids like yours for my target audience.
I'm only diagnosed autistic person in our extended family but there are many ADHD and ADD persons in our family. I find that we are really similar on some situations like meltdowns, interests and calming down but we show them differently. I hurt myself when keeping feelings inside and they on the other hand burst their feelings out. What is different between us is that I have a lot of struggles in social life and I'm slower than they are. I get over stimulated when around them so I have to physically keep still so I could listen to them when they run around the house and talk. But still I want to be around them because they have the mindset of being passionate about hobbies or whatever and that's what I admire in people.
Okay, isn’t it very odd that I LITERALLY AM an opera singer who cannot handle phone calls????????? I’m chocked. Thank you for the AMAZING work, put o such an amazing video! Thank you very much!
I have ADHD and I have major issues with emotional regulation, stopping myself when I get moving, and I am highly sensory. Honestly the overlap for me is confusingly tight......
It is very interesting, I loved the information. It was hard for me to keep in track, in some explanations I felt I needed more doddles 😅 (visual support) but other parts where perfectly graphic and explained. And also that thing about the little sounds like clicks or rubbing the table, those were very distracting for me. But it was cool and it's great learning this. I helped me so much to understand better. I'm looking forward to my diagnosis. I write all this about the video, first because you asked us to, and second because I think it can help you know how some of us add might perceive it. I wouldn't do it just to bother, this is a super useful video. It is great what you are doing!!! Thank you!
You really got me when you mentioned the opera singer who loves performing but can't make phone calls. I was a music performance major in college and grad school. My main instrument was flute, and I gave several recitals, but I also picked up singing and was in a few operas and musicals as well. I loved every second of it! Now as an adult in the real world, I am a cantor at my church, so I get to "perform on stage" about once a month. Never really had any stage fright, not even as a child. I was afraid to sing in front of other people because of some thoughtless comments my mother made, but I had to outgrow that fast once I got a lead in a show. I am 33 years old. I am absolutely petrified of phone calls. Sometimes I go into full meltdown mode, crumpled on the floor, crying. I won't go into detail here because I am embarrassed, but I will say this phobia has caused me some significant real world problems in the past. Sometimes my husband is kind enough to make phone calls for me because they do not bother him. I just really liked that very specific example of the opera singer who can't make phone calls. She's real! She's me! 💛
Same here; in choir; easier to sing than to talk! I dislike phone calls, but not as traumatic as they once were. Would rather email. Yet I realize some ppl have to phone, and "don't do" email or text.
So so happy to have found this video and live that "how to adhd has shared it also" I sent this to family so they can better understand what I and my children are learning about ourselves. Thank you sk much.
been diagnosed with ADHD for years, but also thinking I might be autistic too (or instead of?) so many of the things I relate to both sides of so I think this was quite helpful
I have headphones on and I kept hearing knocking and thought somebody was knocking on my door and took like 20 more minutes than it should have to watch this video because I kept rewinding it to make sure the knocking wasn't my door
The skill gap graph for autism described me to a t and it's one of the few times I felt like my feelings and state of being were fully articulated and wholly accurate. That graph understood me like nothing else ever has
I'm so impressed by this and grateful I was so confused and this helps so much...I feel even more sure now I may be both. I feel like I swing widely between over and underregulated. I get stuck on communication things but other times not...I taught myself to make eye contact and even today I sometimes mentally have to prompt myself to not stare too long. And change I hate it and I get very upset if a process changes in a way I don't think is logical. And I'm sure much of the time I stim to comfort myself. This is such a weight off thank you I felt it was a bit crazy making trying to decipher it and I was so desperate for someone to explain it clearly. Thank you so much. Your now in my top YTuber list, Cheers 🤗 Love💜Peace💜Hope
'Why won't anyone talk to me' Oh My God. I had no idea that could be a trait as well. I was really good at reading and talking as a kid, I had no friends till about high school though and overall just wasn't on the same wavelength as my peers, I preferred talking to my elders bc they talked deeper than movies and makeup.
Really great, easy to understand. Also helps me understand lots of a difficult subject. Thanks for taking the time to put it together. Your teaching style is very good.
What a lot of people forget is that sensory processing issues are very common in adhd too.
That's my question as well.
Also emotional regulation issues.
a lot of these are very common in adhd. This is a big simplification
They are? I had no idea, thank you for sharing that. Do you know if this causes meltdowns and shutdowns in people with ADHD too or is it more of a manageable thing compared to the autistic sensory overload with all of the possible effects after some to speak?
of course!!!! and there a new disorder called "Sensory Processing Disorder" which may stand alone outside of ADHD or Autism too!
The easiest way to explain ADHD is what Dr. Russell Barkley said. "ADHD should be called an executive function disorder." I think a lot of kids who just have energy to burn are miss diagnosed, while quiet kids who "space out" or "day dream" do not get diagnosed. I was not diagnosed until I was in my twenties. But when I finally accepted my diagnosis it explained so much of the things I struggled with.
59 for me. So much struggle throughout my life.
This...
First, I want to say I like the work done for this channel. Even though I don't think I'm autistic, I want to learn more about autism, and this channel is a great resource.
Also, ADHD isn't well understood by the general public. It requires a lot of time to get enough information.
I'm in my early 50s now and just got diagnosed with 'combined-presentation' ADHD this fall. Unless you count fidgeting with my fingers, I never had symptoms of outward physical hyperactvity. Yeah, the daydreaming, zoned-out, space cadet type... But also a perceptive-at-other-times type...
It's funny that I saw one comment here from someone telling us to chill with these speaking-up-for-ADHD-experiences comments, saying that ADHD is already well understood or something like that. I would reply that it clearly isn't if short of finding more informed sources (PhD Barkley, other respected experts, or RUclipsrs that focus on ADHD [Jessica McCabe] etc.), you still find a lot of things online saying that it's having inattention problems or hyperactivity.
But yes, an executive function condition with self-regulation issues: regulating attention, regulating emotions, working-memory issues, and so on. Potentially impacting many things...
I was told by the psychologist who assessed me that I have some "autistic-like" symptoms, but that she was fairly certain I'm not autistic. In my case she commented on my issues socially being with the 'point of performance' and that I usually had above-average awareness of what was going on and what was expected. It didn't help me at the 'point of performance' though. I don't know but it's what she commented on at least...
There seems to be a difference between the two conditions. I don't want to guess. I don't think I'm autistic and I lack knowledge.
I came across this article. I don't know how accurate it is. There was a misuse of the term 'object permanence' which made me wonder. But even if inaccurate, the main image reminded me of how I felt when hearing more than once about the massive overlap of symptoms.
neurodivergentinsights.com/misdiagnosis-monday/adhd-vs-autism
Same. I would never have been described as hyper-active as a child. However, I struggled terribly with “paying attention,”completing my work in a timely manner - if at all, and especially, being organized. I was diagnosed in my last semester of college (which, incidentally, was my 12th semester). Once we nailed down the right treatment for me, I thought to myself, “My God. I could have gone to law school if I had known this 6 years ago!”
@@k8marlowe Another woman! I got diagnosed FINALLY at the age of 19 - struggled for many years of my life and always wondered, "why do I have to work harder than everyone else, just to get to where they are?" and now I am in a much better place. Medication has truly changed my life.
@@mysteryblondeeWhich meds do you take that help? I’ve been told by a medical professional after a preliminary test that I meet the criteria for adhd although I didn’t get a high score I still met the criteria
First, I think it is a wonderful attempt. But I must say, isolating ADHD to inattention only is very inaccurate. Those with ADHD struggle with emotional regulation, sensory processing, memory, etc. Even saying it is inattention is inaccurate since it is an excess of attention, just often in the wrong place. So with ADHD you get high attention to detail and fixated concentration too. Those saying this helped them figure out they are on the spectrum need to rethink and let your doctor help you figure things out because it very well could just be ADHD. This isn't the video to be making that decision from. All due respect of course! I'm so greatful RUclips has so many advocates.
Yes! I was thinking the same thing. It’s a great video, but yes, ADHD is more than just inattention.
He does say ADHD can include other areas of the star. My words, not his. Watch from 6.20 for his.
Thanks for the comment. This was a challenging topic to navigate so it's a fair point to raise. While ADHD most definitely 'centers' on attention (and this is a big feature of some key differences with ASD) the neurodiversity rainbow analogy was trying to show how there are also many other aspects that are commonly experienced with adhd (such as emotional regulation etc...)
@@autismfromtheInside I mean all of those things can be affected by ADHD is the thing:
- Attention is obvious and you covered it
- Sensory issues are common
- Memory issues, especially working memory issues, are extremely common
- Emotional Dysregulation is a well known, if often neglected by the diagnostic process, part of ADHD
- Many people with ADHD struggle to process information such as instructions, or unclear time restrictions, problems processing time are common, and inattention means they miss a lot of information
- Not so much the language section, but a neurodevelopmental disorder like ADHD is, strangely enough, going to affect development.
I appreciate the good intent, but the video just went slightly off the rails during that section. It could lead to a lot of people thinking "oh...well I have issues with more than attention, so I guess it's autism" when that's not necessarily the case.
I wrote a wrote reply here which erased but I have to agree. Issues with misreading social cues is extremely common in ADHD . That combined with issues with impulsivity and a lack of a filter can make social situations very challenging for children with adhd. They are also often 2-3 years behind socially from their peers.
They often also have sensory processing issues as well as well as issues with hyper focusing (getting stuck on activities or topics and having a hard time Adhd is an issue with attention and it can also go both ways. For example, a child can be inattentive but also have a very rich world in their head they retreat to with characters and people and dialogue. They might not be able to attend to school but can sit for hours programing video games or practicing dance.
If you look at what actually goes into diagnosing adhd its a lot more than just attention (or lack there of) and touches on basically every area you mentioned in the rainbow. That is a very big simplification of what adhd is and how very challenging it is to live with in all areas. Yes, even language.
As someone who is currently doing a PhD in Physics but can't remember the names of anyone except my closest friends and family members no matter how hard I try, I burst into laughter when I heard "a person might find particle physics very easy but remembering peoples names very difficult"
It's like my brain actively seeks to destroy me.
College Classmate: Hi ! I'm [name.]
Me: This person wants to be my friend. I should remember their name.
My Brain: lol no
Second day: I ask for their name again, and go to write it down.
Me, going to write down their name 5 seconds after they told me for the second time: I really want to remember their name, what was it again?
My Brain: lol no, here's their face, major, place of origin, and a summary of the lesson from last lecture.
They tried talking to me later but I never responded because I didn't know their name and was too embarrassed to ask again.
Bruh this makes online ppl in a community a thing too.
I got greeted by someone. I found out in we were in two other online communities together. 🫠
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While.. to be fair.. doing physics isn't that hard. While remebering personal details is.
I got around this by either (a) calling all my students the same name, or (b) giving them numbers...
It bugs me that the diagnoses are purely based on how well you can mask and fit into neurotypical society from the neurotypical person's point of view, not on the other struggles you may be masking which may be having a far greater impact on your mental health due to the pressure to mask!
Yesss exactly i just had a big fight because My parents are tired of me being sad because i basically have No Close Friends bit they think that I'm just not trying
@@alicia1636 Friends aren't a necessity. Being happy in your own company is worlds more beneficial than a few friends to hang out with. Seriously, reality is what you make of it. If you think you need friends to be happy, that is your reality. I really hope you feel better as I was on the same boat but it all starts on the inside
@@scvpest thank you so much!
@@alicia1636 Better to be alone then feel alone in a crowed good friends are a bonus but if you haven't met anyone you connect with your better off doing what you like then being made miserable from evil people good ones are rare if your young you may not have the opportunity to met people worth your time once your on your on doing what you truly enjoy you will find better people for you.
it's frustrating how most people haven't realised that traits of neurodiversity are pathologised just bc we don't fit in - it can be helpful to diagnosing some people, but not all folks present to the degree expected by nt professionals who are usually looking front he outside in. i'm not diagnosed, but i've done a lot of research and am lurking in the neurodivergent community. i felt really upset when i realised that. i guess ignorance is bliss.
To my sweet adhd and autistic people, depression can be comorbid. You're doing great and I think you're awesome, you deserve to be your sweet loving self ❤️
Thank you x
Thank you
Thank you, my friend was saying the other day that adult adhd isn’t real and it’s all just too much social media. Iv struggled my whole life and it really got to me. I really really needed to hear this right now ❤❤
@@Rosspark100 Oh no.. A lot of people think adhd isn't real because it's not visible like a broken leg. It is real and so is the struggle sometimes. Keep your head up, you too are capable and worthy of healing 💕
Your positivity is lovely 👍
Virtually everyone with ADHD has trouble regulating emotions and will have trouble with "inappropriate" (read: not useful) hyper-focus too; those are NOT solely autistic traits and ADHD has a much more broad impact on a person than just attention regulation. ADHD is not as simple as you state here in this video, and there is even greater overlap between autism and ADHD than you acknowledge within this video.
@Sun Flower What do you mean by this comment? Are you agreeing with the comment you replied to or not?
While I agree with you overall, I want to point out that you "can" (albeit, that doesn't mean you should) still call all of its effects a matter of attention regulation. The thing is that the attention plays a significant role in all aspects of life. Much more than the average person expects. I suspect, as a person with ADHD, you know this better than most. From that perspective, this video didn't really do a bad job, even if it was a tad misleading.
TL;DR: There's, clearly, something wrong with me. Let's not fixate on semantics.
Yes. Hyperfocus is part of ADHD, too. Earlier this year: I tried to get social benefits (because I couldn't deal with being unable to afford underwear and shoes anymore).
I was asked for legal documents I knew nothing about. So I, naturally, spent the summer reading laws ('turns out there are a few…).
I'm passionate about flying… So -of course- I spent way too long learning about aeronautics.
I know many different topics, all of them very specialized. I can remember exact sentences I heard, said, or read at random points of my life.
Yet, somehow, I seem unable to tie my shoes when the ice-cream truck passes in front of the house.
I don't know what I have; it's something. Given my IQ (however pointless that shit is), I should at least have a couple masters by now.
My highest diploma is from the 3rd year of (Belgian) high school (which I did four times).
Oh, yeah… I learned English watching RUclips, by the way. My English is better than my French (which is my mother tongue).
Sorry for the wall of text.
@@LemonChieff You sounds like an incredibly interesting individual.
Yes, the creator of this video has no actual knowledge of ADHD at all.
Adhd isn’t just about attention, it’s the most wrongly named neurological disorder
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I agree, that's probably why I feel all the time like I must have something more than ADHD.
It all depends on but we have a lot of energy
@@christianmetaldreamur3491I don’t but I have issues that Autistic people hate me and I have adhd so I’m watching this to understand why they hate me.
Emotional dysregulation is a _huge_ part of ADHD, and SPD is also quite common. Both have asynchronous development. Both struggle with executive function. Memory is quite different in both, wherein with ASD it's usually quite exceptional and in ADHD the working memory is shot (due to the difficulty of managing attention) (which is really fun when you've got both). A lot of people with ADHD also struggle with social interaction and social cues. They're not on the opposite sides of a spectrum, they very much interlap and some of the same areas in the brain are different.
Thank you for this.
They overlap so much that, even tho I've been only diagnosed for ADHD(yet), I don't discard the possibility of me being autistic too, neither discard the ADHD possibility in my autistic brother, but our primary diagnosis are ADHD for me and autism for him
@@thesalazar7328 It's also been shown that family members can have parts of the disorder (e.g. you having autistic traits) without necessarily having the full disorder. They found that in those cases the parts of the brain that are affected in asd/adhd are also affected in those family members, but not the cerebellum ( _if_ I remember correctly). Russell Barkley has talked about it, I _think_ it was in his "The Neuroanatomy of ADHD and thus how to treat ADHD" speeches/videos.
In any case, it's always best to know your brain and take any advice that will help, regardless of diagnoses. :) (imho)
excuse me, what do SPD and ASD stand for ?
@@joy7367 Sensory Processing Disorder and Autism Spectrum Disorder. :)
I also believe that ADHD is way oversimplified here.
yeah, I honestly didn't relate to how it was described at all. :/
Yea, he should have talked to someone with ADHD cause like I can’t relate to the thing he said :l
Could you explain adhd ? /gen
@@mfriz5317 if you look at the star thing in the beginning, all of the symptoms shown are ADHD symptoms as well
@@mfriz5317 I find she does a very good job explaining it:
ruclips.net/video/jhcn1_qsYmg/видео.html
As a person with ADHD I find isolating ADHD just to one area as very, very harmful. You say that you don't need social or emotional condicions to be diagnosed with ADHD but it's not true. You say that people with ADHD don't get fixated but it's not true. You say that ADHD is not a sensory issue and also, it's not true.
Man, you could just ask somebody with ADHD for insight...
Exactly.
@@inconspicuousbystander6224 I get your points here, but I think what most are pointing out is that the creator of the video has a severe misunderstanding, or at the very least is severely over-simplifying, the symptoms and issues that come along with having ADD. It is, was, and probably forever will be a rather misunderstood disorder, much like autism. Trying to have a helpful video that allows people to compare the two disorders with their own internal experiences is not very useful when one of the two disorders is mischaracterized or misrepresented.
Certainly, there would seem to be a significant overlap between the two diagnoses, but both of them are incredibly complex, diverse, and not even mutually exclusive. The best example I can give on the inaccuracies of the video is at 4:51... It has Autism on the overregulated side, and on underregulated it says "ADHD [autism too!!]". I can tell you hands down ADD is also often an overregulation. I believe that both disorders can frequently go to both sides of this axis, and that's why both struggle so much with attention in general. Fixating, rumination, over-intellectualizing, social anxiety, as well as day-dreaming, distraction, interrupting, lack of focus are all issues of both. It's unfair to a person seeking help to not get the full picture of both.
Interesting perspectives.
The opera thing COMPLETELY resonated with me. 100%.
I guess considering the fact that ADD and ADHD are called Attention Deficit Disorder and Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder respectively, it can be understandable that people will believe those diagnoses are mainly based on.. well, attention.
Man I am so sensory responsive I can barely function sometimes..... As an ADHD person. Super ripe fruit is fully offensive, as is a bright sun with a thin cloud cover. Weirdly i can identify decomposition pretty accurately and without offense, though. (I live in farmland, where animals die regularly near the home). Some "satisfying" videos are so uncomfortable I want to crawl out of my skin.
@Duncan Thomson possible. I have every ADHD symptom plus more. I have travelled and currently live in a country that only recently acknowledged it's existence, and most people just say it's not a thing. So getting pro help is almost impossible. Sun sneeze??? Maybe? Not a super sneezy person but yeah, sometimes I get fits from what seems like nothing. I'm hypersensitive and allergic to very random things also, as well as having an endorphin imbalance- sometimes my body produces none when it should, but then I get the giggles from pain sometimes too
As others have pointed out this is very mischaracterizing of ADHD. It is much more than an inability to concentrate, it's an inability to choose what you concentrate on. This will sometimes manifest as getting distracted but it will also manifest as getting hyper focused on a particular thing. This will usually depend on if the person finds a given task engaging in and of itself because we aren't as affected by external rewards. For example, because I like programming, I could spend all day programming without getting distracted at all, but I will constantly get distracted while writing. Emotional regulation, sensory processing, and memory are also usually greatly affected as well as social ability.
true this video oversimplified adhd
"it's an inability to CHOOSE what you concentrate on" Yes!!!!!! The constant internal monologue/argument as you feel hijacked by your own brain. Thinking, "I need to go do X, I actually want to go to X", but good luck getting my brain to disengage from what it is already rhythmically doing and task switch.
But, then ironically, once I have pulled out of my "zone" and I'm moving through physical space, so many things can distract me right back into another zone away from the thing I was intending to go do.
In contrast, with autism you can choose what to hyperfocus on (usually a restricted interest).
But he did mention all of this lol he just says that all those things come from a different place in each one. And I guess the easiest way to tell the difference is through the attention frame.
Although his graph at 07:12 does make explicit that attention (capability) varies with subject.
ADHD can also have hyper focus. I think I you’re missing that in your neurotyoical image
he is missing a TON of insight tbh. being autistic starts with senses and ends with emotion. all the rest is survival strategies and the effects of psychological harm. a little worrying that he apparently teaches about emotional intelligence but seems to not understand its role. ugh and then there's the language, full of focus on diagnosis and outdated terms and negativity. we have had decades of people trying to describe and apparently there's still close to zero thought put into the Why and How... its all who, what, where, when.
He does mention it (at least in his other, longer video on comparing the two); of course this video isn't comprehensive, it's short, but he clearly said that this is a visual/animated simplistic overview on four key differences between ADHD and autism; as to outdated terms - people tend to understand those better than the newest terms (as long as they aren't offensive or highly invalidating/misleading... I don't have or see a problem) and not everyone (even within the same community) always agrees on all the appropriate terms, which are best... Isn't it important how those with the diagnosis want to be labeled? Who am I to tell him to stop using Asperger If that's more accurate for him? 🙂
i hyper focus alot and also forget a fuck ton of things from 10 mninutes ago, and i struggle with school (fuck standardized essays) but excel with art and shit dats creative where i can truly express mehself. its why i started a yt btw. to be mehself and just have fun
he does mention it tho. he even says that most of the symptoms overlap, not just hyperfocus. as a simplified view of both conditions to compare them it was good (at least for me, it made me understand a little more the differences)
me, who has ADD and autism: haha symptom list go brrrrrrrrrrrr
Same
I only have ADHD diagnosed, but I relate to nearly every point for autism, too, and do relate to a lot of autism symptoms. Only if I had more skills in phoning the doctor instead of being able to explain the different eras and major events and changes in Club Penguin.
Same but with ADHD, GAD and Bipolar
LOL
same
ADHD also includes emotional dysregulation.
yeah and sensory processing issues
and th entire star
Dyspraxia includes emotional dysregulation and sensory processing issues too.
I see nobody mentions Dyspraxia which is a neurodivergent condition that overlaps and co-morbid with Dyslexia, Dyspraxia, and Autism.
I am a neurodivergent with Dyslexia, Dyspraxia, ADHD.
I love your videos . I have ADHD . My son too . My son was was not talking at 2 years old . He had speech therapy until he went to school . He did not really fit in . He would cry and beg me not to send him to school . The school would call me , sometimes a couple of times . I'd have to go pick him up and take him home . Usually they had him pinned to the floor . So he wouldn't hurt himself or others . I was very disheartening to see your child not thrive . These days he has married and has a daughter . He owns his own home . He took out a mortgage at 23 years old . The house was paid for . He then got married . I am very proud of him . I got him help at a young age . He needed consistency . A routine . He was enrolled also for Navy Cadets . He loved it . When he was too old for the program , he worked as a volunteer . It is still hard to get a conversation going with him . A man of little words . He was given the tools to work around his "disabilities" . I am so proud of my son .
PAUL I WAS A PROFESSIONAL OPERA SINGER AND I CANT MAKE PHONE CALLS I AM SCREAMINGGGG RIGHT NOW
Omg, I also was a working professional opera singer who could not make phone calls!!!😂🙏🥰
I feel like ADHD wasnt shown very accurately here
It wasn’t shown accurately AT ALL
it wasn’t shown accurately at all
It wasn’t 😭
How so? I thought it was pretty accurate.
I was severely traumatized years ago as a teenage, got diagnosed with ADHD. Also suffered severe depression and mental disorder. Spent my whole life fighting ADHD. Not until my wife recommended me to psilocybin mushrooms treatment. Psilocybin treatment saved my life honestly. 8 years totally clean. Much respect to mother nature the great magic shrooms.
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How do I reach out to him? Is he on insta
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It's important to note that ADHD is more nuanced than just being hyper and/or easily distractable. Although all people with ADHD have symptoms of attention deficit, we might also have dysregulation in other areas as well, such as trouble managing our emotions or challenges with auditory processing, bodily coordination, etc.
My child was so playful and verv interactive since 1year of using doctor Oyalo herbs ….and now he is verbal and also improve in social skills
Neurodivergent teacher of kids with ADHD and ASD here.
I've been continually coming to see ASD and ADHD as different sides of the same coin with each of the symptoms lying on a spectrum rather than executive function.
The fact that I had to keep backing up the video when it got to the maze because I couldn't hear the words or notice anything but the maze is clarifying for me
I swear I think I'm ASD-ADHD, its so crazy because when my head sometimes gets so fuzzy that I can't see what is important what isn't, I think to myself "this is ADHD because of the prioritization and filtering inability" BUT THEN I REALIZE I'm also not prioritizing or filtering BECAUSE I'M TOO BUSY FEELING AND SENSING EVERYTHING ON A PRIMAL LEVEL!!!!
Dr. Hallowell describes symptoms and what a good diagnostic evaluation should include in the book Delivered From Distraction
After having to rewind this video multiple times after losing concentration, there is so much here that I can relate to. I have yet to get diagnosed, and maybe I won’t ever, but it oddly makes me feel understood. Thank you.
"Let's put on a 16-hour dance party and no one eats or sleeps until it's done" Lol this sounds like me, it's either 100% or 0%, nothing inbetween
I'm almost certain I have both autism and ADHD but I am definitely farther towards the ADHD side when it comes to regulation
Yes that sounds like my sister- relentless workaholic. She does suspect she has ADHD. Even on holiday she doesn't let us relax and chill much cos she wants to get a hundred things done
Okay I'm sure I don't have ADHD then, because even if I'm highly focused on a task, I feel the need to take a little break every 3 or 4 hours to rest my noggin a bit
@@martingouws3876 not everyone with ADHD is a workaholic, I'd say that's probably not even the norm.
All or nothing...100% me! 😆
I was diagnosed with adhd or add.
I can be very lazy and lack motivation. Not all adha people esp women have the hyper aspect.
I was hyper as a child though.
Thank you SO MUCH for this video!
My little (probably) autistic brain doesn’t like long paragraphs or videos of people talking for 20 minutes without illustration. This is way easier to comprehend :)
I'll be in the kitchen thinking of something I need to do in the bedroom, but have to walk through the living room to get there. I will be distracted by something in the living room, do that task and totally forget the task I had to do in the bedroom. This happens constantly which is why I am not very productive. It does help a bit to make a list and try to do at least one or two things in one day.
That is SO me! It's so frustrating 😓 have you seen that episode of Malcom in the middle? It's hilarious, there's a scene exactly like what you're describing 😋
It happens a lot when I having 3 kids and also full time jobs. A lot of coming at the same time and when you get older you become more forgetful
Me and my adhd brain is loving the presentation format!! 😍😍
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My husband and I both enjoyed this very informative video. He’s 56 and recently started the Emotional Intelligence course work. Staying at home really gave him ample opportunity to engage with it. Thanks Paul for all you do, I was so thrilled to find your channel and share it with my husband who was self diagnosed in 2012. Your videos have helped me so much in understanding him better. We’ve been married 26 years and I knew he was different from the start, but that was also the why 😉
I was diagnosed with autism January 2022. I'm borderline ADHD but was told I didn't need to have that as a diagnosis. I found your explanation very helpful, thank you and shall give you a shoutout on tiktok.
Thank you so much for making this video. My 6yr old daughter has both and it has been a challenging journey to understand how to be a good mother to her, even though I have ADHD myself. God bless you!
man it is so heartening to see this channel is as popular as it is
I've known for a couple decades that I have ADHD and only recently began self-diagnosing being autistic. This is incredibly helpful in understanding myself and hopefully in helping me articulate my experience and needs to others. Thank you.
You're welcome Dean!
What the fuck, no. This video oversimplifies ADHD to the max. And self diagnosing is a HUGE NONO. Go to a doctor or mental health profesional dude.
@@Trollestiatumblur not everyone has health insurance, can afford it, or is able to work up the courage to get diagnosed. there's a lot of big problems with the process
@@Trollestiatumblur self diagnosis is valid. Not everyone can afford the several thousand dollars for a diagnosis (even WITH health insurance). And the diagnostic criteria are still so skewed to males, and distorted by “theory of mind” misconceptions, that if you’re not a (white) male, you are likely to come away misdiagnosed. Most older autistic women have a long history of misdiagnoses. Women still get told we can’t be autistic because we have friends/partners/children, and other shit men don’t get told (presumably because there’s still an assumption that in a relationship, the woman is the one doing all the emotional work, the man goes out and earns a wage).
Diagnosis brings understanding, acceptance and coping skills - but formal diagnosis is out of the reach of many. Generally women, people of colour and people from socially disadvantaged backgrounds. You have to ask yourself why you have a problem with people self-diagnosing.
@@thesciencelab1251 Lmfao, I’m black and Native American, lgbt, and a woman... who the hell do you think you’re talking to?
I have an issue with self diagnosing because people who do self diagnose are usually wrong and don’t do research. I have a plethora of mental health issues that I’ve been dealing with since I was little, and I can’t tell you how many damn times I get the “omg same, I also have anxiety. Like, I hate people!” Or “I have ADHD too! I’m just so hyper, you don’t look like you have ADHD.” “Im also Bipolar, like, I just cried over a jellybean and then laughed half a second later lololol! So quirky and funny!” And the list goes on and on. You wouldn’t self diagnose for a physical illness like diabetes, lupus, cancer, or literally anything unless it was the damn flu. So why label yourself with mental illnesses? It could be a complete misdiagnosis. And yes doctors misdiagnose things, I’ve been a victim of that, but I still trust someone with a degree verses someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about.
“human side of autism” that phrase is dehumanizing in itself
He probably said more relatable to neurotipacals...
I don't see it that way. He's contrasting the messy human side with the easy to fit in a box clinical aspect. That's how I took it. Because frankly the clinical aspect is somewhat dehumanized in my experience
“Some people may love to perform on stage as an opera singer but experience difficulty making phone calls.” LITERALLY MY LIFE 🤯🤩✨
Yes. Me too. It's really simple to explain: when I am on stage, I know what's going to happen. In a phone call, I don't. On stage, it's me. On the phone, there's interaction.
Yep. I can relate. : (
Severe ADHD childhood, here. My nephew has Aspergers, still not sure if he’s also ADHD.
What I experienced, during hyper-focusing, was not really about “getting stuck”. I always felt I could pull away, if I wanted to, I just never felt anything else was important enough to pull away to.
I hear from those with Autism, that rumination and feeling stuck, is the better description.
This video has my attention and I’m here for it!
I'm late diagnosed ADHD-C. I can relate to a lot of Autistic traits; mainly the sensory ones. I also hate disruptions because it takes me so long to garner my focus in order to do something useful. If that gets disrupted, it's like someone set off a bomb in the room and I feel disorientated, angry and stressed. The social problems I experience are probably more ADHD related... getting so bored by inane social chit-chat that my attention wanders. Being clumsy or saying the wrong thing (impulsivity). I do like my own company though... mainly so I can focus and think straight.
I've done several online tests for Autism and they've suggested I possible have mild autistic symptoms. I've always felt very comfortable with autistic people. I especially like the straight talking, no hidden agenda, it makes me feel more secure and my friendships are genuine.
I think you've explained it quite well.
Only recently subscribed and in a word 'thankyou' you have made things more clear in one video than I have read in countless pages online
ADHD has a difference in MANY areas...Socio-emotional regulation/development, sensory processing, perceptual reasoning, reading social cues/following rules/social norms, authority figures... the list goes on. I appreciate you making this and speaking to the experience of people with ADHD as there is overlap between the two conditions, but please update this information. Thank you!
Also anxiety
Listening with headphones, right/left stereo sensory overload; AS. Fading out before video is done; ADHD. Great content Paul!
Emotional Regulation is a big part of ADHD too @ 2:53
Also I was diagnosed with autism and still suspect adhd.
I relate to basically almost all of the stuff here on ADHD instead of autism for attention regulation XD
Same here! I was diagnosed with ASD at 18 but as I've got older I've found myself no longer relating to autism, but still relating to the symptoms of ADHD. I suffered from really bad social anxiety as a teenager, but this went away as I got older. I still struggle with regulating my emotions, managing my time and focusing though. I completely believe I have ADHD but I was misdiagnosed...
@@leahevehumphries are u planning on getting a ADHD diagnosis?
Bro wants ADHD
@@leahevehumphries Autism doesn’t go away u know u don’t have adhd if u think u have it imao
As an opera singer who loves to perform but finds the networking side, including phone calls, a great challenge - thank you.
'Particle physics is easier than remembering names' could be a direct quote from me!
Me too.
Edit:I think I have ADHD but I am not sure and wait it's 33 minutes ago it felt like 5 minutes.
The fact that you made everything visual, explained everything clearly, and summarized key points Thank you for this amazingly put together video.
Man I need a coach or something. I have such a hard time organizing myself yet I can organize others. Everything is so jumbled in my head right now. I wish there was a hot line or something that specialized in helping people like us.
Got my adhd diagnosis today!! So I'm finally all done, autistic and adhd...I can now move on and understand myself better.
I thought I was autistic but actually I’m definitely just ADHD but quiet. I understand social cues and dirty jokes just fine but get so distracted and nervous that I space out instead of just reacting that I look stupid probably in the moment. I was bullied heavily growing up and judged so I feel people are judging me even if I know it’s possible they’re not. So my trauma makes me dissociate a lot that sometimes I mistook my adhd for autism
Oh god that overregulation part... The number of times I stayed at the office overnight bc I just wanted to work non-stop to finish a big project sooner make a little more sense now.
I feel like ive just been called a rainbow, and im really happy now. Thank you for putting your effort into this, it was super helpful for me!
thank you, youtube algorithm, for putting this is my hands! my mum has adhd and she thinks i may too, but is unsure. on the other hand, i think i may have autism, and am unsure, but am still gathering data and research. this video really helped me realize the differences between me and my mum’s brain. on the outside, our brains are the same, but differences really show when, for example, she forgets to clean and then has a few hours when really into it, compared to how i like and sometimes nonstop do cleaning until it is done, or not notice it much at all. we are very similar but different. this video explained a lot. thank you!! :)
I see you have gotten a lot of feedback on this regarding ADHD and the nuances people think you didn't include. I understand that it's very hard to fully understand ADHD and convey the core of the condition with precision, and I appreciate you trying to make a helpful video.
I agree with people saying it's at its core a executive functioning disorder or an attention regulation disorder, but very often also involves SPD, emotional regulation difficulty and memory issues. I would like to add to that (as and ADHD adult myself) that because of the dopamine deficiency in ADHD brains, it makes our performance level very dependent on context. For me this is a clear tell that I spot in all ADHD people: if there is a short deadline/ dire, imminent consequences/ intense interest/ high adrenaline in the situation -most ADHD people will get stuff done and function sometimes better that NT people. Because those situations will trigger our brains into action and compensate temporarily for our dopamine deficiency.
But you could give them the *same* task in a context where they have none of the above mentioned circumstances, and therefore nothing helping them with the dopamine levels (making task initiation and sustained attention very hard), -and they most likely will underperform compaired to their Intelligence and knowledge skill.
My psychologist said: 'consistently inconsistent performance' is often the first clue for me that a person has ADHD.
Well if this is true, then I have probably had ADHD my entire life. But I also score over the cutoff score on online ASD tests. I'm elderly and poor, so I'll probably never know, for sure. But it's interesting reading all these sites and watching all these videos! This guy did a really good job... I know someone well who is ADHD; I'd say your description fits him, as well.
That being said, I think the psych field changes with its labels quite often, and that none of this is etched in stone. I had been misdiagnosed with another condition for years; now, I am entertaining these other two conditions instead, but I am also wary of pinning anything on myself. The label may change in 10 years... but by then, I'll probably be dead anyway, so it won't matter. : ) I guess I'm saying I'm ambivalent both about self-diagnosis or even seeking one out, professionally. I think everyone is too easily labeled, nowadays.
I think I'm something but really not sure what! possibly just a highly sensitive person with some c-ptsd. The journey to understanding continues... Thanks for this x
When it comes to difficulties with turn taking and social interaction, anxiety can seriously affect these things. It is possible to appear socially distracted if you are anxious.. likewise emotional regulation, attention and problem-solving are also impacted by anxiety. "Significant difference" is often enough to suffer from social hurt from those around you in the form of ostracism or bullying.. which is more likely to reinforce social anxiety.
There is a Lot going on in Neurodiverse folk, and often these things are cocktails.
This is a great point! Comorbid symptoms everywhere
@@mikanchan322 I tend to think of them as co-occurring, rather than comorbid. Many of these things are not inherently dysfunctional, they are just interacting parts of a complex system.
Check your spelling of “language” on your picture set. Btw, I can’t express my appreciation enough for your videos… It’s been beyond awful with relationships and communication recently in a life-destroying way, truly. The videos help get through it, and give some valuable hints for handling it. Thank you.
I think we still have a long way to go in understanding the link between ADHD and autism. One thing I haven't seen reported elsewhere and I see it in my family is autistic traits being more pronounced during childhood and ADHD traits during adulthood, in the same person.
I agree with the ADHD traits being more pronounced during adulthood. As I progressed through my 20s it got harder and harder to cope with. Imo the more responsibility someone with ADHD has the worse it gets. Society ain't right for non-nt people...
Also, I don't have autism, but do you think your family members just got better at masking with age?
thanks for this, I had someone suggest, I could be ADHD but the Aspergers was my test results and this helped me understand the differences
Due to the large crossover of symptoms in both ASD and ADHD, the same genetic markers in individuals with both, and higher than normal occurrences of each occurring with parents of either group, it's been speculated in multiple peer reviewed journal articles that ADHD and ASD aren't as separate as we originally thought.
More than 3/4 of ASD individuals have diagnosable ADHD symptoms. And, while I need to double check this number, about 15% of ADHD individuals have diagnosable ASD symptoms. It's only been in the most recent DSM that both ASD and ADHD were allowed to be diagnosed in the same individual. Before this, they could only diagnose one because it was believed that you couldn't have both.
This is really good, thank you. I really like that you told us your story w pictures instead of being interviewed by a host that wants to debate.
I have ASD and my best friend has ADHD. I think we compliment each other well because we have a lot of similar mental health struggles (depression, anxiety, social anxiety, insomnia, etc.) albeit for different reasons. Because our strengths are different, I can help her with things she finds difficult (paperwork, for example) and she has taught me a lot about how to interact with people (e.g. making eye contact in order to properly see someones facial expression).
Thank you for making this video, I feel as though I understand myself and our friendship a lot better. We feel ashamed of ourselves a lot because we struggle to function on a day-to-day basis. But "shame cannot survive empathy". You are doing wonderful work teaching empathy for neurodiversity! Thank you so much!!💕💕💕
This is astoundingly amazing. The clarity, the visuals, the research, so so good ❤🧡💛💚💙💜🤎
Good quick way of looking at things. ADHD is a whole lot more encompassing than what you mentioned and there is much more overlap with autism than what you noted though. So, ADHD often comes with executive function issues (including memory, organization, differences in time perception) that go beyond the emphasis on attention you put here as well as emotional regulation issues -- again not really mentioned here. Plus, even just referencing attention, the mention you made of how affinity and emotion affect this was flattened in your presentation. This is a marked difference between an ADHD person and a neurotypical. Also, there is often a lot around sleep cycles (which can be depending on how you choose to characterize them different from the neurotypical to dysfunctional) with ADHD and those have implications in how the person self-regulates. I think this has parallels with autism. On the emotional front, similarly ADHD people and autistics seem to have stronger emotions than neurotypicals - which may also be seen as a dysregulation depending on your perspective. It seems to be an ADHD and autistic thing to have meltdowns and shutdowns, to have one's energy wiped by some encounter, to have the day demolished by some emotion. Hyperfocus is a major thing for many ADHDers for good and bad. Issues with organization are major. Something else, you mentioned the relationship for ADHD people between interest and being able to engage with something. That link is there for autistics, too. In my experience, with the autistics I know, there is very little chance that I can interest them in something that is outside of their "special interests" whereas I can get interest and engagement from an ADHD person. It can definitely be hard to get their sustained work on something that isn't stimulating but they don't necessarily have as firm exclusion zones. Lastly, I would add that often ADHD people are people oriented and externally motivated whereas most commonly autistics are self-referential and highly internally motivated. Interesting that it's fairly common to find ADHD-autistic couples and friendships. For someone who is an ADHD person, every aspect of their life tends to be affected. It's like autism in that you find yourself wondering "Is this me or is this my ADHD trait?" and thinking "The traits and who I am as a person really aren't separable." The same reason I see autistic vloggers talking about why they prefer the term autistic over "someone who has autism" or someone who is "living with autism."
This morning i was sure i may be autistic, or possibly have ADHD had my diagnosis i have both, Paul, your videos have helped immensly the last six months as ive navigated the pathway, youve put things in a way that has really made sense to me, especially things around social situations and burnout, thank you brother
Being Autistic and ADHD myself, I thank you for expressing ideas in a way that I can relate, well done.
thanks, i still think i have both because theyre constantly fighting each other, but you worded all of this very nicely, and the visuals helped
Ive been diagnosed with adhd for 13 years and know I have it bc in the middle of this video I started staring off into space and thinking about how I don’t like buttermilk pancakes and it would be cool to start a restaurant with just normal pancakes.
Fabulous - makes sense. Haven't watched until the end yet, but the first drawing looks like a jellyfish and then there is a star fish, which is nice.
I have adhd but think I may also be autistic. I'm 21 and it is hard to find someone who will test me. Your videos have been very helpful, especially this one.
I am truly amazed that you managed to get all of that into under 10 minutes. Excellent presentation of a very complex issue, and a superb introduction to a topic.
I will say while adhd is inability to regulate attention, sometimes that means getting stuck on a task that’s not even considered entertaining or fun but your brain has decided is stimulating. It’s not boring and goes really fast but also my idea of a good time isn’t emptying my email but I’ve found myself stretching and popping after 2+ hours of sitting in silence sorting and deleting emails. Plus emotional regulation isn’t the key thing in diagnosis, but it’s a HUGE part of adhd as well as memory issues. My working memory is awful and it’s a symptom of adhd to struggle to hold more than one or two ideas in your head while some people w ADHD have awful long term memories as well, quite a few have awful short term and great long term. I would say that adhd and asd symptoms are at two ends of a spectrum, and you can really present with more adhd symptoms with some less severe asd symptoms or vice versa, or a mix of both types, but really the symptom pool is mostly shared. This isn’t my saying they’re exactly the same because there are key differences, but they have quite a bit of overlap and superficial similarities.
I have inadvertently developed a special codephrase over the years that refers specifically to getting fixated on things that bore me. Whenever I complain that my day was unproductive, it means I spent the whole morning scrolling through websites that were boring me and yet I could not stop. Could not stop. Scrolling. Bite-size stories. I didn't actually enjoy reading hours worth of them, but I just couldn't stop scrolling.
Spending my whole morning doing boring things usually means that when I finally get away from it, I go to bed and sleep. That's most of a day gone right there.
This . ......
Perseveration of thought is a symptom I experience. I also like the term perseveration because idiosyncratic speech is one of my symptoms as well.
I also like the term ruminating.
Yes, 100%. It isn't the case that the stuff we hyperfocus on has to be enjoyable or entertaining. It just has to engage whatever brain levers needed for hyperfocus. Worst for me would be tasks like what you outlined, online list making and quizzes (like name those countries or states on Scorple), crossword puzzles, etc. I can easily spend hours on those things with diminishing returns in terms of enjoyment yet disinclination/inability to stop (like what was mentioned in the video re the maze). I think he's right about it being more likely that an autistic would spend a week on a task like that while an ADHD person would maybe spend a full-on day not sleeping or eating once engaged but I don't think the mode of engagement is that different. It isn't always about actual enjoyment or interest beyond a basic mouse hits the lever and gets a food pellet level.
I wish I knew this years ago 🤦♀️ Now I'm old I find myself explaining my behavior now 😅 thank you
My symptoms and experiences line up more with ADHD (which I’m diagnosed with) but when you said that some people with autism could be great at being on stage but find phone calls anxiety inducing I relate to that so much. 😅
I find this recording very informative for basic understanding & distinguishing and yet concise and easy to remember. Thank you for sharing!!
You are fantastic
I refused to speak outside the family until I was 5. I (as a child) would rather wet myself than ask for help to use the bathroom, or be obvious going. In high school, I won a gold medal for reading a poem about a turtle... I was obsessed with turtles. When my teacher insisted I read a completely different work for my next competition, I failed because I didn't understand the subtle sarcasm of the piece, and she couldn't get that. Soon after I quit the team.
I meet random people on the sidewalk and share profound experiences, but have few close friends. I spend 90% of my time in my studio and I'd rather rip shipping tape off my chapped lips than participate in small talk over a telephone ☎️
Idk if I have adhd or autism but I had to rewind and rewatch this video countless times cuz I kept zoning out or pushing the noise to the back of my head and focusing on comments or the videos on my feed
When you zone out half way through and come back like well thats the adhd
Got both of it diagnosed for a few years.
It is one of the running gags to decide which of my behaviours or those of my colleagues are rather adhd or autistic.
Looking forward to this video
I was SEEN. I once had a supervisor lightly shame me for my aversion to phone calls while also actually being an opera singer.
I'm in my 30s and recently have been diagnosed with ADHD but I have a lot of these Austism symptoms. The performing on stage (which everyone says I have an amazing stage presence) vs the phone calls (I will not answer the phone, having an unrehearsed phone call is grounds for a meltdown) was spot on. I really wish I didn't have to clean the house but I go and go and go even in pain until it's done. No one asked me to but I just had to do it. My life is mostly my husband asking me why I feel so compelled to do things even beyond the point where it was enjoyable and begging me to stop doing something at 11pm but I keep going non stop until 11 am.
I was very lucky to be diagnosed with autism at the age of 7. Idk if i have ADHD though, so thats why i'm watching these videos to see if it's worth talking to my parents about. Good luck to everyone in the comments and i hope you have a wonderful day! :)
I really said YES to EVERYTHING on the Overlapping Symptoms Causes chart 🤦🏻😂 I KNEWW ITT
either there's a L O T more to adhd than youre saying, or im autistic, and im pretty sure im not autistic
There is definitely a lot more to adhd than is presented here. I do think this video does present some of the differences between adhd and autism well, but it does fall short in explaining adhd and how it affects a person
@@raveng8217 okay, thank you
Or ADHD is just under diagnosed autism. There is so much we don't know about mental health and neurodivergency.
@@babybonesxd4810 huh that might be a possibility, especially since no one really thinks its worth it to learn more about ADHD. it's always considered "not that bad" or like it can't be debilitating even by people who specialize in it. im not a doctor or a scientist ofc but i know how my shit affects me
@@phoenix2582 exactly. I actually met with my doc last night and talked to him about this and he was pretty intrigued. I am currently convinced that ADHD is just "high functioning" autism with anxiety.
Draft, will be back later: I can't believe I missed this one! Graphically organized genius, cheers. I need some basic ones on highly talkative and intensely focused and goofy moving and HIGH ANXIETY from PHONES like they are disembodied voices so my mind's ear tries too hard to find the face in the voice. So stressful. Never been able to handle phones, always dread them but can totally fake being at ease because I MIRROR ....
Anyway, local law enforcement forces ONE PLATFORM of communication on the public, mainly the phones. My autism usually precludes me from using them in any crises. Local law enforcement (Sheriff) has reached out GRACEFULLY to meet me face to face, so I feel comfortable calling, but it wants to bring along other advocates, and I don't like being outnumbered. I get way too much stimulation and input from more than one person at a time, simply from their being present, unless I have like a written agenda or I know how they are. It makes me look paranoid, but my sensory processing issues warrant the backup of text and a limit of one "stranger" at a time. And, I have autism related chronic pain so need to stay a bit doped up during the day to get stuff done, to the point I requested to be excused from jury duty. Tightrope walk, life can be with AUTISM.
I am a retired Special Education teacher and managed very well because I guided the strongest students in teaching the others, with kindness, so I could step out of the spotlight entirely and just watch. These above statements are all ideas I have right now on producing some educational vids for law enforcement. I love the one that says I am not on meth ..... but the others I watch are total CRINGE. Thanks for holding a space for me to express myself. :) I remember my autistic-ness as a very small child. I wonder how many others do because we are so self monitoring.
I will try making some white board and face vids like yours for my target audience.
I'm only diagnosed autistic person in our extended family but there are many ADHD and ADD persons in our family. I find that we are really similar on some situations like meltdowns, interests and calming down but we show them differently. I hurt myself when keeping feelings inside and they on the other hand burst their feelings out. What is different between us is that I have a lot of struggles in social life and I'm slower than they are. I get over stimulated when around them so I have to physically keep still so I could listen to them when they run around the house and talk. But still I want to be around them because they have the mindset of being passionate about hobbies or whatever and that's what I admire in people.
Okay, isn’t it very odd that I LITERALLY AM an opera singer who cannot handle phone calls????????? I’m chocked.
Thank you for the AMAZING work, put o such an amazing video! Thank you very much!
I have ADHD and I have major issues with emotional regulation, stopping myself when I get moving, and I am highly sensory. Honestly the overlap for me is confusingly tight......
This is by far the best and easiest to understand explanation I have found. Excellent, thanks.
I have both, and they fight inside my brain on a regular basis
It is very interesting, I loved the information. It was hard for me to keep in track, in some explanations I felt I needed more doddles 😅 (visual support) but other parts where perfectly graphic and explained. And also that thing about the little sounds like clicks or rubbing the table, those were very distracting for me.
But it was cool and it's great learning this. I helped me so much to understand better. I'm looking forward to my diagnosis.
I write all this about the video, first because you asked us to, and second because I think it can help you know how some of us add might perceive it. I wouldn't do it just to bother, this is a super useful video.
It is great what you are doing!!! Thank you!
You really got me when you mentioned the opera singer who loves performing but can't make phone calls. I was a music performance major in college and grad school. My main instrument was flute, and I gave several recitals, but I also picked up singing and was in a few operas and musicals as well. I loved every second of it! Now as an adult in the real world, I am a cantor at my church, so I get to "perform on stage" about once a month. Never really had any stage fright, not even as a child. I was afraid to sing in front of other people because of some thoughtless comments my mother made, but I had to outgrow that fast once I got a lead in a show.
I am 33 years old. I am absolutely petrified of phone calls. Sometimes I go into full meltdown mode, crumpled on the floor, crying. I won't go into detail here because I am embarrassed, but I will say this phobia has caused me some significant real world problems in the past. Sometimes my husband is kind enough to make phone calls for me because they do not bother him.
I just really liked that very specific example of the opera singer who can't make phone calls. She's real! She's me! 💛
Same here; in choir; easier to sing than to talk! I dislike phone calls, but not as traumatic as they once were. Would rather email. Yet I realize some ppl have to phone, and "don't do" email or text.
So so happy to have found this video and live that "how to adhd has shared it also"
I sent this to family so they can better understand what I and my children are learning about ourselves. Thank you sk much.
been diagnosed with ADHD for years, but also thinking I might be autistic too (or instead of?)
so many of the things I relate to both sides of so I think this was quite helpful
You got me at "with pictures" I like it.
I have headphones on and I kept hearing knocking and thought somebody was knocking on my door and took like 20 more minutes than it should have to watch this video because I kept rewinding it to make sure the knocking wasn't my door
Ah! Me too!
Me too
i checked as soonm as it started lul
Where did you get the kokichi with a chainsaw image? I would like it. Because it’s funny.
@@Hazyla I just found it on google, search kokichi in maid dress and it should show up
The skill gap graph for autism described me to a t and it's one of the few times I felt like my feelings and state of being were fully articulated and wholly accurate. That graph understood me like nothing else ever has
Maybe you could also make a video about what is common in ADHS and autism? It would be very interesting!
your videos make me feel very validated and heard. thanks. /g
I'm so impressed by this and grateful I was so confused and this helps so much...I feel even more sure now I may be both. I feel like I swing widely between over and underregulated. I get stuck on communication things but other times not...I taught myself to make eye contact and even today I sometimes mentally have to prompt myself to not stare too long. And change I hate it and I get very upset if a process changes in a way I don't think is logical. And I'm sure much of the time I stim to comfort myself. This is such a weight off thank you I felt it was a bit crazy making trying to decipher it and I was so desperate for someone to explain it clearly. Thank you so much. Your now in my top YTuber list, Cheers 🤗 Love💜Peace💜Hope
'Why won't anyone talk to me'
Oh
My
God.
I had no idea that could be a trait as well.
I was really good at reading and talking as a kid, I had no friends till about high school though and overall just wasn't on the same wavelength as my peers, I preferred talking to my elders bc they talked deeper than movies and makeup.
Really great, easy to understand. Also helps me understand lots of a difficult subject. Thanks for taking the time to put it together. Your teaching style is very good.
Agreed
This has helped explain why I can have attention issues but it's not ADHD. So thank u! 👍