I spectated a Silver Ana who wanted to DUEL the DPS
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Hey! I'm the Ana here :). Sadly I could not watch this live but I appreciate a lot you selected this vod!
I understand everything you commented and watching it now I can see how sometimes I was so tunnel focused on doing damage while I could boost more my team and try to get better teamfights overall, as well as I was risking my positioning.
About the habilities, I was trying to be proactive to land more darts and nades but yeah, I totally feel that I could be more patient and even when I remember what I was trying to do, I can see that doing that left my team and me unprotected for the fight.
Just for you to know, I've been playing since season 3 and since this vod I climbed back to gold :) but I'll work hard to be able to reach plat soon applying all your advices.
Again, appreciated!
You did good but your sleep dart% hurt my soul
You played overall really well but I'd advise you to stop jumping all the time. You're making it real easy for enemy snipers to track you and that will get you killed in higher ranks. But I'm sure if you continue heeding emongg's advice and trying to improve, you'll climb a lot 😊
In itself, doing damage isn't a bad thing. In fact, I'd say it's a great way to be proactive. But never forget that you're a support. Make sure your allies aren't in danger, and then continue to do damage (Without falling in a tunnel, remember that while you're not healing, your allies are taking damage)
U played really well!!
hit the aim trainer bro
This person is definitely gonna feel that nade nerf
nah they don’t hit them anyway
when’s that nerf coming? 👁️
@@roodei6635Already happened, Increased cooldown from 10-12 seconds
Definitely watched Awkward’s unranked to GM with Ana
this made me giggle
damage damage damage
It's how I started fr !
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a silver support that looked so awake. Their APM and awareness is insane for a silver player
unfortunately they play ana fundamentally wrong, maybe more of a bap player?
Yeah I thought he was pretty good
@@cooltwittertaghow so ?
@@Evilj82 yeah nevermind, looking at the other thread hes actually better of quitting the game, the ego this man got for having the aim of a rein player with a rubber floaty for a mouse is insane.
@@Evilj82 like he genuinely believes hes not the reason hes in silver, but if he's already this egocentric in silver he's better of not playing
this person falls into a very common Ana trap - people think that hitting a sleep dart means you are morally, ethically, and legally obligated to try to get that kill, and they tunnel vision on it and forget about literally everything else.
no. you can use the sleep dart to buy yourself several seconds to get to safety. nade doesn't do as much damage as it used to, and Ana's primary fire doesn't do as much damage as it used to. if the target is full hp when you sleep them, you do not do enough damage as Ana to be guaranteed to kill them on your own. it is much better to use the sleep dart to get away and stay alive instead of trying to get a kill on your own, which is what this person does a lot of the time.
I do perfectly enough damage with shot-nade-punch-shot or shot-nade-shot-punch, honestly. Of course, not if it is something like a Tracer with a recall or a Mei with freeze, Sombra with translocator (maybe sometimes)... But Ashe, Hanzo, Genji, Cassidy, anything like that - my sleep usually means death to them, as long as I do have my nade.
average ow player forgetting teammates exist
Lol “morally, ethically, legally obligated” 😂
U didn't have to say u were silver my dude the combo w sleep is shoot, anti, shoot which will kill any squishie plus the sleep guarantee's the shoot+anti so all u need is 1 more shot
Emongg said a lot of the abolity usage was random, but I saw intenionality with most that they threw. You can clearly see who they were targeting before they threw each one.
Yeah, as I mentioned above I remember what I was trying to do, but sometimes due to throwing the nade late or very low I understand that can make them feel kind of random lol.
Ty anyway :)
they just dont consider when to use their abilities best is what he meant, its too carefree
lmao when he talks about the good positioning, in my ana games the enemy would just walk through my team and kill me immediately
50 SR lobbies
This player has the support syndrome of "if they are not in front of my current los, then they're not my problem". They are doing well weaving damage and healing when necessary, when everyone is in front of their scoped shots. But as soon as an ally is off to the side, or lord have mercy, behind them.. well, then it's like they don't exist.
And you might ask, "how do you know if someone behind you is critical hp??". Well, you make a habit of keeping track of YOUR SURROUNDINGS every once in a while. To be an effective support player, you need to have a general idea of where everyone is on the battlefield, so that you can instinctually get a gut feeling for when someone might be in trouble or not. See a lot of shots going past you on your right side? Chances are they're poking down your Widow who's besides you on the balcony. So check and see if she's actually getting hit or not, takes .1 second to do a quick glance.
If you want a simple guide rule to follow, try to at least check 360 degrees every time you reload or have a lingering animation from an ability etc. Use this downtime to look around and check up on everyone's positioning and health, who's getting pressured most, who's moving forward, who's falling back, etc. And to be clear, this is not enough to get good support awareness, but it's the bare minimum that can help you get started with building good habits.
The key to having a good foundation as support, is that you should always have focus on saving criticals, and applying pressure when nobody is critical. It's a simple but effective rule of thumb to expand on with your personal flair. If anyone is allowed to be critical for more than half a second and then die, you should ask yourself why you didn't save them. Simple as that.
your teammates even have sound cues when they take heavy damage. when you're playing support you need to listen out for that shit.
Thanks bud, I'll try to be more aware on this. I feel that on other supports is easier to me to check how my teammates are doing, but maybe on Ana (I don't know if it's due to scoping or what) I become more tunnel visioned.
Appreciated!
@@ivnmsqr8649 honestly, it's most likely the ability to scope in that sometimes messes with you and everyone else who plays Ana. none of the other supports have a built in mechanic that literally gives them tunnel vision lol so it's natural that it's easier to tunnel vision on her, although of course we all can do that sometimes no matter what hero we play.
@@ivnmsqr8649 It tends to be a phenomenon linked to pursuing the most apparent/convenient value, when your hero incentivizes you to scope in, do damage, have -tunnel- scope vision, it is normal to give more attention to the value that is visible to you, since our sight is our strongest and most fundamental sense as human beings. And here, Ana has a strong pitfall because there is always convenient value for her to pursue, no matter the range, angle, etc. You can always find _something_ to do right in front of you, unlike some other heroes that have range penalties or ability limitations or damage falloff etc. Ana requires a lot of discipline because there is so much she can do at all times, so prioritizing what value to focus on is paramount.
Idk if you played in OW1 with 2CP maps, or just any map with strong choke points. Most players of mid-low ranks would start shooting at the first enemy they see, they will stop in the choke because their convenient value is right in front of them (but typically in a very defensive position), and the attackers getting through the choke would lose track of other objectives like off-angling, taking high grounds, passing choke without shooting etc. Most of these players couldn't resist the temptation of stopping to shoot the enemy at first sight, and forget about the value around them, the value of not losing time fighting an unwinnable battle in a choke point. They'd just tunnel vision on the value that was right in front of them.
It's perhaps an odd analogy, but it's the exact same phenomenon at play when you're focused (especially while scoped in) on what's in front of you, what value seems convenient and ready for you to pursue in the moment. And like I said there is ALWAYS value to pursue in the moment, especially with Ana, so it requires extra discipline to snap out of the value-chasing state of mind once in a while to see if less convenient value around you actually offers you higher reward (such as healing a critical hp widow standing next to you for multiple seconds).
It aint easy, but if you're trying to be mindful of it then I promise you it will become more natural with time, and you'll climb for sure. U got the mechanics for it, even if they're sometimes a bit rushed. Again, that too comes with experience :)
GLHF
@@sethescope charlie brown teacher noises
ALRIGHTTTT, SO, a good start to my morning ☕️ 👊
We should normalize Emongg summarizing the descriptions
This Ana feels like every Moira player I had in my games, looking to dps while every team mate falls over so they can do 5k damage with 10 kills and 7 deaths. Only difference is that this Ana did heal a lot more and didn’t die nearly as many times as my Moira team mates.
This reminds me of a game I had a while back. I was on mercy playing on eichenwalde, defense first. We held for a while first point then got rolled until 3rd point where they capped with 4 minutes. On attack, we rolled them on first point all the way till 3rd point where we got held almost into overtime. We capped with, I kid you not, 0.7s. Back to defence, we managed to ALMOST full hold them for the 5 minutes, but they managed to cap and push just past the first gate. Back to attack, with only 1 minute to win this, we absolutely steamrolled past the choke, capped first and pushed to the gate where we got held into overtime, only just managing to win thanks to the ult economy.
ALRIGHT SO!
What a swell treat!!
I blame Awkward for these supports that over commit for damage. There is a balance of healing and dps-ing that needs to happen with playing support. Low elo players take Damage, Damage Damage too literally
i mean using abilities offensively and doing damage more consistently is better than being a bot and healing 24/7. These people are low-elo for a reason (lack of balance), even awkward himself says that it's fine to overdo it in the beginning and advises players to find the balance all the time
being a heal bot only works if ur team is carrying u. 95% of my games is not that. I climbed doing equal heal to dmg ratios. I'd have like 9k dmg 10k heal meanwhile the team that lost had supports with 2k dmg and 12k heal. Yeah keep healing your team playing the most broken role only lol... supports have so many chances to kill and not get punished because of their abilities and passive making them get away with picks dps and tank cant normally get.
@@Peraliq Did I not say there is a balance? Where did I state for them to heal bot? Everyone knows there needs to be equal dmg to heal ratios. I'm saying that low elo players will let their team die by not pumping heals in between looking for damage opportunities. I'm no GM player but I can sit comfortably in diamond while both healing and damaging
I noticed how this skin's Ana scoped shots sound like that one stock oldtimey jumpscare sound effect and I cannot take it seriously anymore-
What-
I love the new qp spawn changes! I play Ana so if my tank goes down I’m yeeting myself so we’re not staggered
This Ana needs to
1. Stop randomly throwing out abilities.
2. Ads more often to either secure kills or heals.
3. Use abilities when you know you can land it.
For that last one you tried sleeping the Moira who was using ultimate. You missed and then immediately reaper teleported to the high ground. Had you had your sleep, you could hit the easy sleep on him instead of the crazy hard sleep on Moira. As you climb people will watch that cool down and you can't use it just because the button is there and you might hit someone. Try to resolve most of your damage and healing with adsing
This Ana also needs to
1. Find better off angles while doing damage and reposition when enemies are focusing on him (move back when enemies go forward, forward when enemies go back)
2. Prioritize healing targets that are taking damage / in danger
3. Continue chugging nades/sleeps and trying to do damage to gain experience on when it is the right time and what works/doesnt
This Ana needs to:
1: uninstall
Damn, Emongg you're being just too nice hahaha honestly i think they did quite bad, sometimes they would hit the right buttons, but most of the time they just didnt want to heal (at that point just play dmg), also i kinda feel like they're playing with such high sensitivity that their mouse clicks slightly move their mouse so everytime they shoot their aim moves around a lot, might be just their hand or could be an ergo mouse or something. GGs to the other team for staggering point cap for SO long in their defense round.
12:38 he was hooked off the high ground Emongg 😂😂 but he was in bad position still the same
They jumped too much, imo, and I think that hurt their shots landing.
7:25 Why did I hear a Rein voiceline here?
"I need to get healed!".
I think awkward's unranked to gm videsos have single handedly ruined all support players lol. Obviously you shouldnt heal bot but now everyone is out here letting their team die cuz top 500 players are telling them to focus on damage
Well, I think it's a hard matter but I can tell that I still find more supps acting as "heal bots" than being extremely aggro.
You can't ask people to risk their positioning every single time to heal you and dps per example usually are very heal dependent (they don't take cover, don't go for the heal packs etc).
I try to take care on any role, to die the less possible and have health packs accesible for me so the supps can create fine scenarios to do a play.
So imho, there's bad and good stuff on both playstyles, as emongg commented the best is to be the more balanced you can.
cap
they just need to get better at recognizing audio cues
dpsing the enemy team is fine for a little bit if your team is healed
but i noticed there were several occasions where i could hear their allie’s being shot and they didn’t turn to give them a quick heal
That mouse DPI is getting me dizzy 😵💫
How do you mean? Is it high, is it low? Because personally, that was just a bit under the dpi I use on Ana. You do need to flick quick and look around fast as a support...
@@satamiko I find it way too high and jittery... Maybe you need a larger mouse pad? I set mine so I can 180 with 1 flick but it's much lower. IIRC I'm at 800 DPI and 2.5-3 sensitivity, makes aiming way more accurate
@@felixbelanger2659 I don't need a larger mouse pad, that's just how I work. I have a lower sense only on sniper characters for more precision. And my Genji and Tracer and even higher than Ana...
@@satamiko Genji and Tracer sure, I prefer more precision on Ana, whatever works for you!
@@felixbelanger2659 Fair point!
Alright ssssso!
I’d love to have my gameplay critiqued so i can do better. Where do ppl submit?
Something I don’t think Emongg mentioned, that I think this player would benefit from, is quick scoping! Instead of just staying scoped in and ignoring your surroundings, please try to learn how to quick scope so you can focus more on the whole fight instead of just afk healing the tank. Yes you were reacting to being flanked, but a lot of the time you were scoped in, so you weren’t able to react quickly enough, and it seemed to really throw you off. A good example of this happening was at 27:07. If you were quick scoping instead of basically being afk, you would not have died there, even with the bad positioning.
I noticed this too because I learned about quick scoping from jay3 and ml7s spectating but he doesn’t mention it in Ana spectating 2:22
@@Scarletmoon02 it literally changes the game when playing Ana, it’s such an important part of her kit imo!
is there some decent guide how to learn quick scoping ? @@ering7822
Hey, the Ana here! Yeah, qs is something I need to improve on, I feel that it also could help me with the "tunnel vision" thing.
Thanks!
@@ivnmsqr8649you can try out anapaint ball , it is pretty fun and does help ^^
ALRIGHT SO...
my supports be like i dps and heal someone but not the tank spamming x cause i have 2 hp
The first match, the Ana player carried on offense.
He could have afkd at the cart as lucio in heal and been more useful
Way too focused on doing damage. Most times they were ignoring their crit teammates just to dps. Offensive nades are crucial, so aiming them a bit better could be helpful. Also, the constant jumping is... Please stop 😅
Pretty unfortunate how the overtime rounds worked out, I think they could have won that match
I wish he would mention that. It was actually hurting their aim and it is a terrible low ELO habit that just makes you easier to hit against people that can actually hit their shots.
I'm gonna come back to this one but DPS Ana's will REFUSE to heal you at point blank in their FACE and it's annoying.
i cant even watch this video the screen shake actually gave me a headache😂
literally making yourself miss critical heal shots on teammates because of dumbass jumping around and strafing when not needing to
Hey emongg they didn’t fall off the high ground they got hooked
As a sombra main i love watching people panic looking for me lmao
Ana player gameplay is so boring. The only thing that we have during our gameplay is the the jump button to entertain ourself.
my poor sombra. i hope they fix her translocator soon so we can still teleport away just with a short timer and cool down if you place it versus a throw teleport. id trade that for a weaker virus attack or remove it all together. as a sombra main this kinda of ana is what i want. focus me and not your team. lol
?? sombra is a very strong character and now also very brain dead and free value if you play her. I've never won games this efortlessly on DPS
they could probably focus on their aim too, they miss on alot of
people through most of the game
That ana aim sensitivity is wayyyyy too high.
I am in B5 and am now waiting 10-14 mins for a game as a support...this is the only thing I hate. On a side-note: Many of your tips mention a thing called: Team....??? what is a team? In B5 there is no team, no communication no fun...just saying
its like a silver ml7 viewer. trying way too hard to be snappy/quickscopey and hitting big nades/sleeps but the mechanics arent there at all. barely anything lands and ends up wasting so much time and cooldowns while the team does most of the work
24:32
Sorry boomer Emongg, this isn't 2022 anymore, that combo doesn't one shot, 70+60+30 is not 200...
even if you add on the measly 5 damage sleep dart does
I was there
22 seconds ago let’s gooooo :)
So.... every Ana
Hi, Ana main here. Nah, I prefer hitting a good nade that allows my teammates like Genji and Tracer have fun in the back. Seeing my Genji dash through 3 anti-ed enemies with low HP is beautiful.
I can understand the feelings of the Ana player ; she is the only hard counter to the enemy team (Roadhog, Sombra, Reaper) cause she has a hard cc (her sleep). I couldn't understand why her tank stay Zarya all the game if she is the only frontlane ; Echo and Mercy should never loose space when there were no hitscan to stop them. And what about the peeling of her second dps, Cassidy, Torbjorn, Mei or even Symmetra would have been good choice to stop enemy dps flank free. Yes she dps too many times and I would be really not surprised that she could the second damage dealer in her team. In my opinion, she just lack of patience, when she see the payload moving foward while her team go back 4vs2, she want to play the objective even if it is not her role. My only advice for her would be to try play 5-10 games playing only ana as a healer not a support, a 0 damage challenge and see the difference even if it could end as deranking.
what kind of advice is that lol
Hey! I'm the Ana here, thank you for commenting :).
I can't actually recall the exact numbers but yeah, I had one of the biggest dps and healing in the match, and yet I was a little frustrated because my teammates were pinging for healing when I was not able to heal them (when Sombra was diving or other situations) and I feet that their positioning was not the best but I want to focus on what I could do better and find the balance emongg is talking about here.
I'll work on it, ty!
That zarya carried that game, and the mercy literally was the only healer on the team. And mercys healing out put is already not very good, the ana needed to understand that and realize theyre the main healer this game. Sorry but you’re not helping out much by doing small amounts of dmg when your team is dying and critical. Which is exactly what this ana did. I’ve never won with a dps heavy ana, not one who also wasn’t doing absurd amounts of healing. And I’ve lost many games from a dps neglectful ana. 15k heals, isn’t great. Especially on ana when this game went into ot.
Best kinda duels are the ones you have as Ana🫶
I feel like dueling as a Tracer is more fun just because you watch some people completely lose you and look around lol
Missing a lot of shots. Scoped and unscoped. Ana ain't for you man. Her main value is the ability to win a team fight with just a nade (assuming no Kiri) so nail those nades.
Gold 1 easy
First
"We are all gonna have bad positioning sometimes" "This happens to me too" "We all miss our sleeps sometimes"
This is why Flats needs to carry you
(This is a joke by the way... also might be too mean so I appologise for this if its too personal)
Ngl guys you can hate me for this if you want but I am plat dps but almost bronze support and I keep it this way on purpose. I think its so fun to be able to run into the entire enemy team and not die on support and fuck up their Hanzo or some shit lmaoo. I do still heal my team but at least once a fight I just run in and do whatever I want. Its so much fun.
For that, you have quick play. Don't be the teammate that keeps others down low just because 1 person's fun is more important than 4 others... QP is literally for that.
@@satamikothis, like wtf.
go to qp then lmfao and don't act like plat is high pls😭