The category means Music written for a Musical Film. The had separate categories back then because musical films were much more popular. In a musical they had to re-arrange pre existing music, compose new music aswell, write songs and arrange them, so the whole process was probably more complicated I suppose.
Tiomkin and Newman are legendary geniuses and are both my favorite people who do scores in movies EVER!!!!! :D But actually I dont think Newman deserved this over the soo enyoyible and awasome score from Singin in the Rain, imo. That scene when Kelly is singin in the rain alone makes it a deserving best score Winner! Newman deserved 8 other Oscars, though! :D
Well his nephew Randy Newman won 2 Academy Awards for Best Original Song for Monsters, Inc. - If I Didn't Have You and Toy Story 3 - We Belong Together.
I guess I found it confusing because if today a movie uses pre-existing music (i.e. non-original) it is not deemed eligible to compete for the Oscar for best score. Anyway, thanks for the answer, it makes sense. :)
Muchos años después sigo pensando que el premio lo merecían IVANHOE y su autor MIKLOS ROZSA (a pesar de las dificultades de Walt Disney para pronunciar su nombre)
@@matthewballon7553 I just remembered. While Newman never worked for Disney, his best friend and frequent collaborator Ken Darby did, on the film Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. I can't remember if he worked on a few others, but I definitely remember Darby mentioning that film in his book Hollywood Holyland.
dr strangelove Well actually even the title song from the film was not an original song for the film. If I remember correctly there is only maybe one or two songs that were written originally for the film otherwise all of them were from older MGM musicals from the 30’s!
@@jamesmoyner7499 Make 'em Laugh and Moses Supposes were the only original songs. However Moses was not written by Nacio Herb Brown and Arthur Freed, but by Roger Edens, and Adolph Green and Betty Comden. Make 'em Laugh was by Nacio Herb Brown and Arthur Freed, but it is very similar to Cole Porter's Be a Clown. When Irving Berlin was visiting the day the song was performed, he noticed the similarities, but then he was just moved along so he couldn't finish his sentence. The filmmakers wanted a song like Be a Clown, so Brown and Freed just changed a few notes, and did new lyrics. Frankly, I find Make 'em Laugh a much better song, but there's no denying the similarities.
So this is the legendary Alfred Newman... It's interesting to see the man with 9 Oscars (out of 45 nominations) win one of those. But what does the category he wins in mean? Scoring of a musical picture? Anyone? All I know is that this category hasn't existed for a long time.
That's because there aren't enough musicals to warrant a category at the Oscars anymore. Back in Newman's heyday, all the studios made musicals, big bunches of them. MGM, in particular, could be depended upon for five or six musicals a year, if not more. Some units were set up at the studio for just making musicals.
Musical Scoring meant arranging the songs for orchestral background, and also composing underscore based on the songs. This whole category was changed several times, gotten rid of, brought back, changed into something leaning more towards original score...there should be a book about it.
Mr. A. Newman who (undersurvingly) whon the best musical score Oscar here, whas the same guy who worked with THE BEST HUMAN IN THE WORLD CHAPLIN for the Music in city lights and modern times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
When Alfred was barely out of his teens, he was conducting for George Gershwin on Broadway. Reportedly, he was extremely well-liked in Hollywood and was instrumental in launching the careers of people like David Raksin, Jerry Goldsmith and John Williams. Williams was fortunate to play piano for two of the fabled conductors in Hollywood, Morris Stoloff at Columbia and then Newman at Fox.
@@williamsnyder5616 Williams also worked at MGM, which is probably why he often likes to use the Sony Scoring Stage for so many of his scores. E.T., and Temple of Doom were recorded there when it was still MGM Scoring Stage.
I guess Alfred was a genius and a nerd with no personality? There is virtually nothing on Alfred Newman on the internet.. yet he won 9 academy awards for his music and wrote scores for hundreds of movies... Why no autobiography of him?The music of films back then compared to today’s ..it’s like comparing a child’s crayon sketch to a Rembrandt painting... today it’s Disney soundtrack garbage... back then it was Newman’s masterpieces.
The sad part is, only two of those Oscars were for Original Scores, and frankly, his first one is more original than his second. I love the score to Love is a Many-Splendored Thing, but let's face it; he probably won that Oscar more because of the song by Paul Francis Webster and Sammy Fain, whom also won the Oscar that year.
4:38 I just realized something. Walt just handed the Oscar to the guy who wrote the lyrics for "When You Wish Upon a Star!"
Music is no joke! Star Wars actors said that John Williams score for the film took it from a B movie to a generational classic.
thanks walt disney for creating my childhood
How humble... thanks, just thanks; grateful for the award and exit.
Would love to see Patti Page's appearance on the 1965 Oscars as tribute to her passing. Any chance? Or is it because of music rights issues. Thanks.
What a great clip! This clip is probably also why they rehearse the show and have presenters practice what they'll say.
Wow, what a list of legends!
Real winner: Singin' in the Rain.
Walt Disney and King Kong were my movie idols as a kid. A sense of showmanship and wonder for both of them.
The category means Music written for a Musical Film. The had separate categories back then because musical films were much more popular. In a musical they had to re-arrange pre existing music, compose new music aswell, write songs and arrange them, so the whole process was probably more complicated I suppose.
Walt is a legend!
Hello Newman - I remember the song from High Noon very well - it fits the mood and plot of the film very well.
Tiomkin was the composer of High Noon
Singin' in the Rain should have won.
With a Song in My Heart.
Tiomkin and Newman are legendary geniuses and are both my favorite people who do scores in movies EVER!!!!! :D But actually I dont think Newman deserved this over the soo enyoyible and awasome score from Singin in the Rain, imo. That scene when Kelly is singin in the rain alone makes it a deserving best score Winner! Newman deserved 8 other Oscars, though! :D
Agree, Doc. I love Alfred Newman, but because he was beloved in Hollywood, I'm sure he' say "Singin' in the Rain" should have won...
It likely didn't win because, as great as they are, all the songs in Singin' in the Rain were recycled from previous films.
Magnífico el trabajo de un músico:D
Walt Disney, a TRUE WUNDERKIND!
02:50 Finally I know why the orchestra always plays the winner music!!!
Well his nephew Randy Newman won 2 Academy Awards for Best Original Song for Monsters, Inc. - If I Didn't Have You and Toy Story 3 - We Belong Together.
How embarrassing that Mr Disney could not find the time to pronounce the names of several of the composers, including Miklos Rozsa, properly.
Rozsa's name is actually quite easy to pronounce.
I guess I found it confusing because if today a movie uses pre-existing music (i.e. non-original) it is not deemed eligible to compete for the Oscar for best score. Anyway, thanks for the answer, it makes sense. :)
Poor Mr. Disney...with a lot of difficult names..
When you hear them pronounced correctly, they are actually quite easy to say.
Muchos años después sigo pensando que el premio lo merecían IVANHOE y su autor MIKLOS ROZSA (a pesar de las dificultades de Walt Disney para pronunciar su nombre)
Alfred Newman should have worked for Disney, that would have been awesome
I was surprised that Max Steiner's last score was for a Disney film.
@@garrettbays6942 Holy crud, I did not notice that, I feel Disney should've honored him as a composer legend than.
@@matthewballon7553 I just remembered. While Newman never worked for Disney, his best friend and frequent collaborator Ken Darby did, on the film Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs. I can't remember if he worked on a few others, but I definitely remember Darby mentioning that film in his book Hollywood Holyland.
I also feel Dimitri Tionkin should have done a disney animated film, would've been epic.
Guess the Academy saw my comment and nominated him again.
I really hope Alfred Newman's son wins an Oscar soon. 10 nominations and still no win.
You might want to mention which son. Both David and Thomas are film composers; Thomas being the one with several nominations, and still no Oscar.
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When the oscars were somewhat worth watching.
Funny joke how they did not nominated the song `singin in the rain` for best song ;)
dr strangelove Well actually even the title song from the film was not an original song for the film. If I remember correctly there is only maybe one or two songs that were written originally for the film otherwise all of them were from older MGM musicals from the 30’s!
@@jamesmoyner7499 Make 'em Laugh and Moses Supposes were the only original songs. However Moses was not written by Nacio Herb Brown and Arthur Freed, but by Roger Edens, and Adolph Green and Betty Comden. Make 'em Laugh was by Nacio Herb Brown and Arthur Freed, but it is very similar to Cole Porter's Be a Clown. When Irving Berlin was visiting the day the song was performed, he noticed the similarities, but then he was just moved along so he couldn't finish his sentence. The filmmakers wanted a song like Be a Clown, so Brown and Freed just changed a few notes, and did new lyrics. Frankly, I find Make 'em Laugh a much better song, but there's no denying the similarities.
@@garrettbays6942 Thank you for sharing this information.
So this is the legendary Alfred Newman... It's interesting to see the man with 9 Oscars (out of 45 nominations) win one of those. But what does the category he wins in mean? Scoring of a musical picture? Anyone? All I know is that this category hasn't existed for a long time.
That's because there aren't enough musicals to warrant a category at the Oscars anymore. Back in Newman's heyday, all the studios made musicals, big bunches of them. MGM, in particular, could be depended upon for five or six musicals a year, if not more. Some units were set up at the studio for just making musicals.
Musical Scoring meant arranging the songs for orchestral background, and also composing underscore based on the songs. This whole category was changed several times, gotten rid of, brought back, changed into something leaning more towards original score...there should be a book about it.
Such short speeches
Mr. A. Newman who (undersurvingly) whon the best musical score Oscar here, whas the same guy who worked with THE BEST HUMAN IN THE WORLD CHAPLIN for the Music in city lights and modern times!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
When Alfred was barely out of his teens, he was conducting for George Gershwin on Broadway. Reportedly, he was extremely well-liked in Hollywood and was instrumental in launching the careers of people like David Raksin, Jerry Goldsmith and John Williams. Williams was fortunate to play piano for two of the fabled conductors in Hollywood, Morris Stoloff at Columbia and then Newman at Fox.
@@williamsnyder5616 Williams also worked at MGM, which is probably why he often likes to use the Sony Scoring Stage for so many of his scores. E.T., and Temple of Doom were recorded there when it was still MGM Scoring Stage.
Walt can't pronounce Miklos Rozsa's name...
It's a travesty he hasn't won yet.
Walt seems a little tipsy.
I just thought of that myself. Even though many of the names were foreign, they were not difficult to pronounce at all.
I guess Alfred was a genius and a nerd with no personality? There is virtually nothing on Alfred Newman on the internet.. yet he won 9 academy awards for his music and wrote scores for hundreds of movies... Why no autobiography of him?The music of films back then compared to today’s ..it’s like comparing a child’s crayon sketch to a Rembrandt painting... today it’s Disney soundtrack garbage... back then it was Newman’s masterpieces.
The sad part is, only two of those Oscars were for Original Scores, and frankly, his first one is more original than his second. I love the score to Love is a Many-Splendored Thing, but let's face it; he probably won that Oscar more because of the song by Paul Francis Webster and Sammy Fain, whom also won the Oscar that year.