The comments about the host are a bit off. While he seems to need a little polish to the presentation, the ride impressions are quality. Unlike most reviewers he doesn't just ride it and quote the brochure. As a new 2022 V4 owner (i didnt know V5 was coming out so soon!), he describes the experience perfectly. The 'firm' new Rock Shox comments are correct and it rides more Expert/Pro level (which I am not). The G2 brakes do fade at the first sign of sustained gravity and require XT replacements. In addition, for me I would suggest wider 35 wheels so it can handle the cornering G's with better support. So at first he may not be as smooth as others, I would listen more closely instead of just waiting to be entertained.
Agreed. For me, Loam Wolf is all about real rider reviews and it comes across as honest and descriptive. Aside from the use of "like", which is really not a big deal, this review is exactly the type of review that helps us understand the character and quality of the bike short of riding it ourselves. IMO, this was a very helpful initial impression.
Completely agree. I've been a professional speaker for over 20 years and I can absolutely see his personality. Combine that with honest, high level expertise and you get trust and connection. In today's world, honest expertise beats presentation perfection. I'd love links to Dario's social channels to hear more.
As another commenter noted, I appreciate you not just regurgitating what SC put in their marketing. This is the first review video of the new bike where there was no “jibby” used.
Great review from my seat. As a shorter rider and an owner of a V4 Bronson you nailed it with the "ride with your feet" style these MX SC bikes foster. So fun.
1:25 thanks so much for the simplistic rationale for why seat tube angle matters. valid thoughts and criticisms that i havent heard other reviewers critical of. honestly all of the critiques are great to hear as it helps make a better more informed decision and feels like a paid advert. will be looking for more reviews in the same vein.
I just got a used 2021 V4. I had a feeling the mullet was coming for the 2023 after the Bronson. Not that I could afford a brand new one anyways ;) I'll clutch my "Well I have a shorter chain stay" pearls and still feel good about myself. The bike is way more rad then I can ride it lol
Same here. I just swapped out the air spring for a 150mm for only $40 and that made the bike feel a lot more stable and capable in the rough stuff and still feels fun.
I like his review style! It fits right in with the rest of the loam wolf reviewers non robotic! I like to call it an “Everyman” review it’s using normal words like we’re bsing in the parking lot! Also I’m going to need to demo this if my shop gets some to demo!
Thanks for sharing Ryan. While Dario is new in front of the lens, we try to approach these from the mindset of, how would we reply if someone asked us in the trailhead parking lot, "What do you think of that bike?"
I have a 5010 V3. It's always been a super fun bike! I've taken mine everywhere (140 mm air shaft) and the only place I've truly felt underbiked was Moab, but I think that's in part due to the roll-over disadvantage of 27.5. I've never ridden a mullet, but yeah, that's where SC has gone now.
I think this dude needs to frame his skillset, speed and skill level so the typical intermediate to advanced rider takes this review in context. The fact he's out riding an EXO tire at normal tire pressure and finds the G2s as bad as he does means he's likely riding in the top decile of speed and skill, which doesn't do SC much justice regarding the commentary on spec. I do agree with his assessment of the G2 brake fade. I had the same experience on my new Pivot 429 Enduro, but switching my front pads to sintered Sram pads made my G2 brakes as powerful as my old XTRs with much more modulation and feel. With proper bleeding/bedding I nearly doubled my G2 braking power and have no squeal.
Good review, trying to decide between new 5010 (mine is 2016, so im due!), HT, tall boy but think shy on travel, Ibis Mojo, stumpy, Trek....trail bike bike to do it all, i dont jump or drop much (but do like fast dhs but with aging back injuries and in my 50's i cant be crashing) but love steeps and riding anything challenging up or down. Cheers
@@TheLoamWolf A McNasty would be child's play. I plan on filling an entire canyon with homeless people and doing a 1440 to bike flip to cashroll over the canyon.
Nice review. 275 out back is great but try it with a heavy casing 2.6” tire. If SC released the Bronson with a glove box I’d get i’d get one right now. Good to hear about the increased damping RS went with on the fork.
Thanks man great review and helping a ton on my next purchase. I love low standover of SC bikes and they just look cool. How do you think this would compare with something like the stumpy EVO? Im looking at that too. Finally, Im 5'10 and sc says large but man that seems like a long reach !
SC while the bikes have improved over the years the company is not the same prior to the buy out they seem to focus on profit margin first (i.e. the poor brake selection ) The margin has to be 60% ?
Been on a new 5010 for a few months and it’s great but I’ve been chasing a phantom creak coming from the rear end. Any of you current SC 5010 owners experiencing this?
@@roellecorregidor1201 yea, it was coming from either the rear pivot or lower linkage. I took the whole rear end apart and regressed those pivots and know it’s fine. Not ideal but that’s the way it goes sometimes
@@romand123 creaking drives me insane and will bother me during a ride if I have one. I did the same thing as you, but it wasn’t one of the pivots, then I thought it was the bottom bracket. I currently have a Rocky Mountain and they use shitty press fit BB’s, wasn’t that. Turns out I just needed to lubricate the my dropper post and seat post.
Would love to hear feedback from a short rider. (From what I've seen taller and shorter riders generally have opposite reactions to a larger front wheel.)
I'm 5'6" and typically ride 29ers xc / hardtails. I got a chance to ride a Bronson a few times and I thought it was a hoot! I'd love to try this MX 5010.
Блин, не нравится мне идея смешать размер колёс 27.5 и 29 :-( Раньше Santa Cruz 5010 мне очень нравился, но после выхода этой модели я уже стал склоняться к Yeti SB 165 (27.5). Translated: Damn, I don't like the idea of mixing 27.5 and 29 wheel sizes :-( I used to really like the Santa Cruz 5010, but after the release of this model, I already began to lean towards the Yeti SB 165 (27.5).
It got really dark in the woods and so it was fighting itself… it slowed shutter speed and got whacky. In low light it’s better to turn stabilization off.
Yes sir. A friend of mine took his trail 429 with a 130mm fork and 120mm in the rear and dropped the hammer. So yeah. You can definitely do it with this ride.
And like, if like, so like, like like like like like like like like like =)) I usually can tolerate a decent amount of "like" on these bike related channels but this tops them all can't watch all video 'till the end, sorry :)) anyway this new presenter talks, moves "like" he smoked something :D
The comments about the host are a bit off. While he seems to need a little polish to the presentation, the ride impressions are quality. Unlike most reviewers he doesn't just ride it and quote the brochure. As a new 2022 V4 owner (i didnt know V5 was coming out so soon!), he describes the experience perfectly. The 'firm' new Rock Shox comments are correct and it rides more Expert/Pro level (which I am not). The G2 brakes do fade at the first sign of sustained gravity and require XT replacements. In addition, for me I would suggest wider 35 wheels so it can handle the cornering G's with better support. So at first he may not be as smooth as others, I would listen more closely instead of just waiting to be entertained.
Thanks very much John.
Agreed. For me, Loam Wolf is all about real rider reviews and it comes across as honest and descriptive. Aside from the use of "like", which is really not a big deal, this review is exactly the type of review that helps us understand the character and quality of the bike short of riding it ourselves. IMO, this was a very helpful initial impression.
Thank you Charles.
Completely agree. I've been a professional speaker for over 20 years and I can absolutely see his personality. Combine that with honest, high level expertise and you get trust and connection. In today's world, honest expertise beats presentation perfection. I'd love links to Dario's social channels to hear more.
This guy is on pink bike
Its great to see someone from a bigger MTB channel that isnt a AXS fanboy! Shimano XT for life baby!!!
As another commenter noted, I appreciate you not just regurgitating what SC put in their marketing. This is the first review video of the new bike where there was no “jibby” used.
Haha thank you! WE appreciate it.
Great review from my seat. As a shorter rider and an owner of a V4 Bronson you nailed it with the "ride with your feet" style these MX SC bikes foster. So fun.
A lot of great info. Thanks for the great first look at this badass bike.
Thanks very much for watching Dubble Arr. Glad it got you the important info you were looking for.
1:25 thanks so much for the simplistic rationale for why seat tube angle matters. valid thoughts and criticisms that i havent heard other reviewers critical of.
honestly all of the critiques are great to hear as it helps make a better more informed decision and feels like a paid advert. will be looking for more reviews in the same vein.
I just got a used 2021 V4. I had a feeling the mullet was coming for the 2023 after the Bronson. Not that I could afford a brand new one anyways ;)
I'll clutch my "Well I have a shorter chain stay" pearls and still feel good about myself. The bike is way more rad then I can ride it lol
Same here. I just swapped out the air spring for a 150mm for only $40 and that made the bike feel a lot more stable and capable in the rough stuff and still feels fun.
Man Santa Cruz is really going all in on the mullet trend.
Very helpful desriptions of handling and character!
I like his review style! It fits right in with the rest of the loam wolf reviewers non robotic! I like to call it an “Everyman” review it’s using normal words like we’re bsing in the parking lot! Also I’m going to need to demo this if my shop gets some to demo!
Thanks for sharing Ryan. While Dario is new in front of the lens, we try to approach these from the mindset of, how would we reply if someone asked us in the trailhead parking lot, "What do you think of that bike?"
Thank you for the insight.. It sounds like a great bike
I have a 5010 V3. It's always been a super fun bike! I've taken mine everywhere (140 mm air shaft) and the only place I've truly felt underbiked was Moab, but I think that's in part due to the roll-over disadvantage of 27.5. I've never ridden a mullet, but yeah, that's where SC has gone now.
What fork offset do you have on your v3? Thanks!
I converted my 130mm fox 34 to 140mm on my V2 5010. I actually prefer the feel of the 130 better. I feel it throws off the handling of the bike.
@@spicymountainbike Interesting observation. I have a 140mm air shaft ready to go into my 5010 v2. What of the handling was thrown off?
I think this dude needs to frame his skillset, speed and skill level so the typical intermediate to advanced rider takes this review in context. The fact he's out riding an EXO tire at normal tire pressure and finds the G2s as bad as he does means he's likely riding in the top decile of speed and skill, which doesn't do SC much justice regarding the commentary on spec. I do agree with his assessment of the G2 brake fade. I had the same experience on my new Pivot 429 Enduro, but switching my front pads to sintered Sram pads made my G2 brakes as powerful as my old XTRs with much more modulation and feel. With proper bleeding/bedding I nearly doubled my G2 braking power and have no squeal.
just an epic bike 💯🔥
Good review, trying to decide between new 5010 (mine is 2016, so im due!), HT, tall boy but think shy on travel, Ibis Mojo, stumpy, Trek....trail bike bike to do it all, i dont jump or drop much (but do like fast dhs but with aging back injuries and in my 50's i cant be crashing) but love steeps and riding anything challenging up or down.
Cheers
I just bought this for the upcoming Red Bull Rampage where I will be competing and likely taking 1st place.
Good luck! Can’t wait to see you do a McNasty off a big drop.
@@TheLoamWolf A McNasty would be child's play. I plan on filling an entire canyon with homeless people and doing a 1440 to bike flip to cashroll over the canyon.
Just bought this bike. Been wanting a SC bike since i first saw one.
Congrats!! Hope you love it.
Nice review. 275 out back is great but try it with a heavy casing 2.6” tire. If SC released the Bronson with a glove box I’d get i’d get one right now. Good to hear about the increased damping RS went with on the fork.
I want one, but I would definitely buy just the frame
The Degrees of the Angles are the reason a lot of people are giving the bike bad reviews.
I haven't heard one bad review and I've seen plenty
Thanks man great review and helping a ton on my next purchase. I love low standover of SC bikes and they just look cool. How do you think this would compare with something like the stumpy EVO? Im looking at that too. Finally, Im 5'10 and sc says large but man that seems like a long reach !
Love your reviews, but can you add bike weight to them measure them and show a pic of the scale.
This is just a first ride review, we'll make sure to add weight in the long-term review.
SC while the bikes have improved over the years the company is not the same prior to the buy out they seem to focus on profit margin first (i.e. the poor brake selection ) The margin has to be 60% ?
Margin G2s and Code Rs (non RSC) nearly identical. Not sure why they did G2s here
Really comprehensive review - thanks! 🤘🏼🤘🏼
Glad it was helpful!
I just can't figure out the backtyre. Conti that's for sure but what kind of Conti?
Been on a new 5010 for a few months and it’s great but I’ve been chasing a phantom creak coming from the rear end. Any of you current SC 5010 owners experiencing this?
Did you figure it out?
@@roellecorregidor1201 yea, it was coming from either the rear pivot or lower linkage. I took the whole rear end apart and regressed those pivots and know it’s fine. Not ideal but that’s the way it goes sometimes
@@romand123 creaking drives me insane and will bother me during a ride if I have one. I did the same thing as you, but it wasn’t one of the pivots, then I thought it was the bottom bracket. I currently have a Rocky Mountain and they use shitty press fit BB’s, wasn’t that. Turns out I just needed to lubricate the my dropper post and seat post.
Dario!
Would this be a good bike for you on Oat Hill Mine trail in Calistoga?!?
Would love to hear feedback from a short rider. (From what I've seen taller and shorter riders generally have opposite reactions to a larger front wheel.)
I'm 5'6" and typically ride 29ers xc / hardtails. I got a chance to ride a Bronson a few times and I thought it was a hoot! I'd love to try this MX 5010.
Why don't you review the Mullet Peacemaker? Everything else seems to be a frankenbike.
I luv my 2019 5010 . Saying that has anyone tried a 29 on the front w the older models w pike debon air forks? Or is that makable?
What size is best for 5’9 height? Thanks
Yeah, but what's it "like"?
I feel like I've watched this video before? Strange.
Thanks for watching x2
Блин, не нравится мне идея смешать размер колёс 27.5 и 29 :-( Раньше Santa Cruz 5010 мне очень нравился, но после выхода этой модели я уже стал склоняться к Yeti SB 165 (27.5).
Translated:
Damn, I don't like the idea of mixing 27.5 and 29 wheel sizes :-( I used to really like the Santa Cruz 5010, but after the release of this model, I already began to lean towards the Yeti SB 165 (27.5).
What riding pants are those?
I'm pissed.. now I'm stuck with my bronson
What’s wrong with the Bronson? Can’t decide between mx bronson or mx 5010. I do 10 ft drops and worried about the 5010 for that kinda riding.
Wait, I thought Santa Cruz lowered the anti squat on the new Hightower too?
Just a little bit, this is more drastic.
What the heck happened to the GoPro stabilization?
It got really dark in the woods and so it was fighting itself… it slowed shutter speed and got whacky. In low light it’s better to turn stabilization off.
@@TheLoamWolf I got ya here, thanks for that advice. Shaky but clear, nice one 🤙🏼🍻
You think that bike can handle a 12 ft drop? Like drop the hammer in Bentonville?
Yes sir. A friend of mine took his trail 429 with a 130mm fork and 120mm in the rear and dropped the hammer. So yeah. You can definitely do it with this ride.
Only one way to find out
Tire critique seems like a humble brag. What OEM would spec front and rear double downs on a bike like this? 🤦♂️
Yeah that’s not what a humble brag is 😂
How tall is rider?
He is about 6’2-6’3.
I'll take the word "like" for $300 Alex!
Ding ding ding. Haha thanks for watching and having fun.
Love the reviews but, like, cut back on the use of like, like.😊
Great video to fall asleep to
Anyone know the trail at 2:34?
Bottom bit of SST
@@LoganNelson thanks!
Mullets have never interested me. My 29" rear still gets hung up from time to time and that sucks enough, a 27.5" out back would be worse.
it absolutely is and do get hung up. Can be irritating when the 29er rolls well but the back end is costing you speed
you say "like" SO much.
And like, if like, so like, like like like like like like like like like =)) I usually can tolerate a decent amount of "like" on these bike related channels but this tops them all can't watch all video 'till the end, sorry :)) anyway this new presenter talks, moves "like" he smoked something :D
Dude heard he gets paid more if he got more "likes" apparently.
Made it 4 mins in and can't watch anymore. This guy is not a great presenter, sorry. Won't be hitting that "like" button this time
The dude’s new, give him a break. Or, take a shot every time he says “like” and you’ll enjoy it way more 😂
This guys is sooooo boring!!
I had to go and check on this bike somewhere else i couldn’t take it for the length of the video!
Sorry Dan! I’m still new to the video work.
@@dariodigiulio3758 that guys a dick, you did fine and i was interested in what you were saying. very descriptive explanations thank you