Quentin Tarantino on the Spahn Ranch Scene in 'Once Upon a Time in...Hollywood'
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Idk. He made Cliff such a strong confident character. Almost felt he could handle whatever came.
he wasn't armed. those hippies could have bum rushed him w knives,shovels, or even guns.
@@frickpoo6644 maybe but we saw how easily he handled the 1 dude. Think he could have thrown a few of them around buying a little time to escape before they surrounded him. Now if Tex comes back with a gun hes in trouble
Exactly. The suspense in that scene revolves more around in the situation going sideways than thinking he could die. Great scene.
QuentinTarantino is Quentin Tarantino's biggest fan.
From Andy Andy ...Bwahahaha
He's his biggest fan because he borrows things from movies he loves and combines them and brings them to the next level.
So is your mom
hehe he is
None of that imposter syndrome crap from Quentin.
Probably due to a surplus of competence. Didn’t get where he is because he fit some profile.
I was sure Cliff was not going to die. But the real suspense was weather George Spahn was dead or alive. I thought the Hippies killed him.
Na, I am quite certain that the viewer is supposed to be concerned for Cliff's well-being, and less concerned for Spahn. The viewer thinks that those crazed girls are gonna snuff Cliff. (George agreed with Manson that in exchange for squatters rights, the girls would have to fuck him regularly). It's Cliff you have to be worried about. :(
Yeah, same for me. My suspense was more around George.
@@andrewiangillies it was very tense though.
@@gyaniadmi2347 Yeah, definitely. Even at the time, I couldn't quite work out why I was so tense, I just knew it had something to do with George. I was kind of confused when he seemed okay.
@@andrewiangillies 😉🤣😜 same here, I thought if George was.dead Cliff was going to kill these hippies, which he did in the end. But seeing George alive was very wired, and also considering the fact that this George character was real and that Ranch did existed in 60s.
I loved the ending so much. QT made us feel so much pain, sorrow and outrage that Sharon Tate was murdered by those animals. She was portrayed as a kind, innocent and loving person. It makes what happened all the more outrageous. His ending giving us some peace hoping for a better day. Beautiful film making.
I think he nailed it - I was convinced Cliff was going to come a cropper, so the comedic revenge kicking dished out to the hippy was the perfect counterpoint
He's right that thematically it made sense for brad pitt to die in that scene so it held genuine suspense for the audience. You dont get that from a typical superhero film because the protagonist will never under any circumstance die.
Yep true. Spider man will never die even if God himself shows up
Depends on what kind of superhero movie it is. Obviously, if it's an iconic comic book character or the movie is named after them, they're not going to do. If it's a group of heroes, then you can expect a few to bite the dust.
@J J last time I checked superman was still operating in justice league movie. As far as poster boy is concerned who the fuck is that. I don’t blame you. You probably grew up watching spider man and that’s your childhood hero and you love superheros. I get it. Keep watching that garbage
So who do you guys think would win in fight between Superman and Mighty mouse?
@@don1249 It's already been covered in "Stand By Me" Superman. Live action hero beats cartoon hero
Quentin's movies are brilliant ,he does it his way and it's fucking cool 👍
I was indeed terrified for Cliff in that sequence. Very ominous atmosphere.
My son compared the way the Family gathered outside to the Children of the Corn...
Nobody who'd read the novel was worried about Cliff...during WWII he was credited with the highest Japanese kill count of any soldier...16 of them with a knife...after the war, he coldly shot two Mafia legbreakers to death, after that he murdered his wife, and after that he killed the original owner of the dog Brandy by breaking his neck...he would have SLAUGHTERED those hippies...
@@jefflockaby702 what book are you talking about? ouatih came out in 2019. The book came out last year.
@@Dravianpn02 yup, Tarentino wrote the script, made the movie, & then released it as a novel he wrote as well...LOTS of background on all the characters...you should read it
@@jefflockaby702 I read your comment like the viewer who would read the book before the movie, not the other way around o.o glad to know it's good though! And gives confirmation of Cliff
I didn't think Cliff was gonna die. I was more concerted that George Spahn might already be dead. Once it was clear he was "ok", I figured it was gonna be ok over all. On the other hand, once I saw the guy on the horse racing back, I knew that there was an element of danger. If he didn't die, at the very least, he was gonna have to fight his way out of that. I expected that to be kind of harrowing.
IMO that Spahn was not only OK but on board with the situation was the twist of that scene. That surprised me most of all. And I was hoping that Tex and the family would take a shot at Cliff. Because I was pretty confident that would not go well for them. And that was just another layer of payoff in the end when things did go down. great movie
Exactly what I was thinking when I saw this scene. My concern was on George the whole time till I saw that horse approaching and I was like ... uh oh here comes Tex and he don't look happy.
Bingo, same here. I figured he was going to have a genuine fight on his hands, against a couple of male hippies and even a few female hippies all at once. But I figured Cliff wasn't going to get killed by hippies halfway through. Had that happened, it would have shocked me. That could have worked too, however. Had QT gone that way, he could have still pulled it off. QT just makes great movies and he's getting better and better at it.
I love how passionate QT talks about film!
I'm not sure I was ever remotely concerned that Cliff might die when he went to Spahn ranch.
same but I did feel tension when tex was trying to get back to him
I was certain he was going to die. The relief I felt when he made it out of the house combined with the pure joy of seeing Cliff beat that hippy to a pulp was such an amazing feeling!
I was feeling tension about the old man and other possible victims, but not Cliff.
@@tacomaamocat4309 yeah so was I It suprised me that he didn't die
Someone might die.
What works so well about these scenes is when you first watch it, you think "Omg what's gonna happen?" 😳
Rewatch you go "Go on Cliff!" 😉
Yeah, seeing it 2-3 times more, it's actually humorous!! What I don't get is, HOW did Tarantino ensure that the first time seeing it will terrify the viewers?
@@Bluzian74 The Manson Family is the ticking Hitchcock bomb the audience knows about but Cliff doesn't, in the scene. We know enough to know they're a ticking bomb, but only a few true crime people remember what the story was with Spaun. Then you get to him and it's like "oh--that is pretty fucked up, but whatever, ain't really my business."
There's several aspects as to why the suspense builds in that scene and why it's so good of a scene. First, he trusts the audience enough to know who these women are, and not have to talk down to or insult people by explaining it like you would a child. Second, he counts on people's real world knowledge to know what they're capable of. Third, Cliff doesn't know their capabilities, and thus his vulnerability makes him a prime target (though he is a tough sob). It's like seeing someone you know who is very vulnerable walking into a predator and they're very unaware of how bad it can get for them.
Those three details create a formula for tension that Tarantino has used many times before, though he got it from Hitchcock. Hitchcock explained it very well by providing the example of people sitting around a table. You could work a little with that to tension/suspense, but it'll only get you so far. Now suppose that same table of people is there, but it's revealed that there is a bomb underneath that will go of in 5 minutes. For those next five minutes, the tension for the audience go through the roof. Tarantino used that in the opening scene of Inglorious Basterds, and he used it here.
Interesting!! Is there a Hitchcook book/manual you read that from?
@@Bluzian74 It’s actually online where he’s doing a presentation about his filmmaking philosophy and theories.
@@amanrob ok, cool! Thanks. I'll try and find it! Cheers.
Tarantino : I aaaaam cinema!!!!
that scene really stuck out to me. it was really eerie
THE most harrowing public bathroom emergency of my life- COULD NOT leave my seat during that scene!!
Tarantino said that in order to feel terror you've got to "care about the character". I totally agree with this! A common mistake that modern horror films make is writing the victims to be annoying and reprehensible. It's almost a relief when these idiots catch a knife in their neck. The recent Halloween movies are a good example of this.
Great scene- never thought he would die in that sequence in my movie brain
i did have that 1970's uneasy feeling they used to do in their films back then.
The Spahn Ranch scene was the most tense scene in the movie.
I thought Cliff was going to die because that's QT films for you. I'm happy he didn't.
The fact that the girls werent B.S.'ing when they said that old dude was napping. It's that goofy excuse that made it seem so ominous like they were lying and didnt care if he found out because all odds were against him
There’s that shot of Dakota Fanning behind the dirty screen door which is a direct reference towards Spielberg’s War of the Worlds where a much younger Dakota Fanning appears in the exact same shot.
In real life it actually happened that a visitor came toSpahn Ranch to see about leasing his ranch for a movie and was met by the Manson “Family”. He was very nervous when they would not let him see George Spahn to negotiate. He thought they did something to him. So he managed to get out of there, get to a phone called the cops……. Nothing. The old man was napping!!!
I agree. On first seeing it, I was convinced something bad was going to happen to Cliff at the ranch.
I always learn something from Tarantino interviews.
That is an awesome scene
First time I watched this scene I was edge of my seat worried for Cliff
That's right. I felt suspense and terror in that scene. I got a flashback from psyco
I didn't think Cliff was going to die at all. I guess I'm not as sophisticated a movie goer as some. Cliff was an ass kicker and I thought he could handle any situation.
No WAY!!! I was never terrified for Cliff for one nano second. Achilles vs Hippies? Are you fucking kidding me???
100% right. I thought Cliff was done for. Terrified me.
True. I thought Cliff was going to buy it at Spahn Ranch... Well done...
Blue Velvet was most terrifying movie I’ve seen because the survival of the hero was clearly not necessarily going to happen.
I was NEVER worried for Cliff.😏
At no point did I think Cliff was going to get killed. He was too important to be killed off so soon. Did I realize what a dangerous situation he was in? I knew that Cliff didn't realize how dangerous a situation he was in.
I expected more violence than the tire slasher scene, and was gratified that it didn't get more violent. Tarantino has a thing for gratuitous gore.
Too important to be killed off?
What does Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Death Proof, Inglourious Basterds, Django Unchained and The Hateful Eight have in common?
A main character is killed off well before the closing credits.
All I disagree with is Tarantino's suggestion that the ranch scene is not as effective upon re-watching it. To me, it's just as terrifying and artful.
Great writer, director extraordinaire.
right on
I always wondered what was wrong with that scene. Spahn ranch was spooky enough and the scene would've worked- but nobody cared about Cliff.
Never even considered that Cliff would get killed at the ranch! No way was Brad Pitt going to get bumped off that early in the movie..surprised so many people thought that, being he was one of the two main characters in the movie.
Tarantino: cliff could die in that sequence
Cliff: and I took that personally…
Also Cliff: WWII vet and went toe to car with Bruce Lee
I was never afraid for cliff in the ranch scene.
Cliff was a character who could overcome anything. No fear. Sometimes Quentin is too far up his ass.
American Werewolf in London is probably the first and the greatest movie that made me feel real fear! Fear to the point, my brother, two cousins, and I were terrified while sitting in a matinee, wishing there were more people in the theater.
At no point in this scene did I think or feel that anything was going to happen to cliff, I was wondering who cliff was going knock out or kill.
I interpreted it as Cliff kicking the hornet's nest and inadvertently triggering the events of the final act.
The family subconsciously chose to go after Rick because he resembled the guy who just beat them up.
Ironically they didn't know it was Cliff's day job to resemble the guy they now wanted to attack, but these coincidences are all over the Manson story and Hollywood in general!
I never felt as though Cliff feared for his own life and therefore made me more at ease when watching the scene. I can see it being terrifying if Cliff was a weak, naive man, but before he gets to Spahn Ranch I was already informed on his level of equanimity and control from dealing with Brandie back in his trailer. Spahn Ranch was littered with women who had been drug induced either at that moment or very recently. I can't see anyone at that ranch having been a physical threat to Cliff.
Tex was armed and quite dangerous. That's why he's the looming threat at the end.
well said!!!
I really liked this movie but I wasn't particularly afraid for Cliff. I was always only afraid for Sharon.
That said, in this sequence, I wasn't afraid for either. I figured Cliff was going to kick some hippie ass. And thats pretty much what happened, but not the way I expected. So it was great for me. The whole movie was.
Sorry, but there was no moment where I thought Pitt’s confident, capable character was in any danger at all from the losers at the ranch.
Q.T. > best filmmaker ever
I did think Cliff was going to die at Spahn ranch. I thought he was going to get cornered in the bedroom. That Bruce Dern was going to be chained to the bed or dead already. I was waiting for a bum rush of knife wielding hippies to overwhelm him.
Was relieved when he walked out of the house.
yeah that scene reminds me of (in general terms as I don't remember the exact scene) "Children of the Corn". This outwardly innocent place filled with Hippies but we already know the horrible backstory.
It wasn’t a surprise for anyone who knows the whole story of Spahn Ranch. It’s well known that the group took very good care of George ( he was allowing them to live there). And he lived for several more years after they left.
I really like Tarantino and his style of film-making, but this one didn’t do it for me.
He’s right about this
Exactly. It seems pointless but it sets up so much and introduces so much. You really think it’s a bunch of lies, but no. I love it.
I just thought Cliff was going to find George dead. Wasn't that suspenseful or frightening either one.
Interesting, I didn't fear for Cliff in that scene but it WOULD have been shocking if he got killed.
Quentin Tarantino made this movie as an apology to Sharon Tate because of his previous comments about the 13 year old victim of Roman Polanski ''wanting it''.
this scene is a different kind of suspense, its just a bunch of Hippy & horse girls but its so suspenseful cause we don’t know who they are and what they’re capable of. When cliff Turns away and walks to his car I was sweating that someone would attack him from behind.
I could see that, but for me, I didn’t expect it. It went just as I thought it would, probably from my particular bias coming from personal experience as a kid in the late 60s early 70s. I remember my father, a pro rodeo cowboy and the real deal, along with a handful of his contemporaries brawling with a group of bikers who tried crash a post rodeo banquet. Now biker gangs of that era were outlaws known to have violent convictions, but their prowess paled in comparison to the toughness of a self made man of the west. To me, these bikers represented the military arm of the soft counterculture. So, when Rick Dalton exclaims, “…fucking hippies!”, it really takes me back Haha!
“ It’s Cliff Booth”
“Who?!”
“Cliff. Booth?!”
“ John Wilkes Booth?!”
I wish they would have shown more of Manson's connection to Beach Boy drummer Brian Wilson and music producer Terry Melcher who owned the house where the murders took place.
Apparently Manson resented Melcher,
he had rejected Manson's attempts to launch a music career & get his music recorded. Manson sent his maniac killers "to kill whomever is in that house". Melcher was renting it out to
Roman Polanski & pregnant wife Sharon Tate. The tragic rest is history.
That's been done elsewhere though.
Dude…Beach Boys drummer “Brian Wilson”? your comment is cringe worthy. You have zero clue, just stop leaving comments until you acquire a minimum of actual knowledge.
@@WiseOwl-1 I am just pointing out a sad but intriguing twist in the case. It's a fact Manson was delusional about becoming a rock star.
@@tomgebarowski8156 and I was just pointing out that Brian Wilson was NOT the drummer for the Beach Boys
OMG, I can't believe I did this, I stand corrected...I meant to say DENNIS WILSON, not BRIAN WILSON. I must have somehow been thinking of Brian subconsciously, but of he was an angel who would never pal around with a creep like Charles Manson. My mistake...you were right to call me on it!
Am I wrong for my anger at the dental hippie fucking with Cliff bosses car? So after Cliff kicks his ass and making him change the tire, that made the movie for me.
Brad Pitt was great in this movie plus he looked great in that Hawaiian and t.
I found a new appreciation for his films but i never found my self laughing at the typical Tarantino's end blood baths.
Far be it for me to disagree with QT but I’ve seen this movie 3 times and that was a chilling scene even the 3rd time I saw it. 🧐 now I won’t to see it again. 🤠
This was by far the best scene in the movie. The whole movie should've been centered around this, cut out all the crap with Leo's acting jobs and the cartoonish final scene.
I didn't think you would kill off Brad Pitt though never really crossed my mind but I know you too well Quentin 😉 😏 😜
Based on the number of comments that maintain otherwise, I would suggest the scene accomplishes what the director says it does only for the fan that finds no wrong with the most massively subversive filmmaker ever. Lol.
Q is such a unique original director...he
has made many memorable films and hopefully will still win Best Director some day at the Academy Awards.
However, like Spike Lee, I fear as genius as he is his stuff is so edgy & out of the norm he may never win. Alfred Hitchcock, another directing genius, never won one either.
idk what quentin is smoking!, I get his point of the audience being afraid for cliff but in no way shape or form i had the notion he was gonna die at that scene not even subconsciously! ( & i had quite the opposite thought of what he might do in that situation " implying that he was gonna come out good"),, because apart from many reasons "ouat" isn't a movie that presented itself that way, pace wise or mood wise!, hell even filmmaking wise!.
don't you mean the spawn ranch?
Is that really Quentin Tarantino, or someone acting like him. I don’t know what he’s talking about terror. I love the movie but at no time during it was I ever terrified.
Also the Bruce lee scene was stupid in the extreme- why shit on a legacy for no reason- so stupid. Wasn’t the bride in kill bill wearing a Bruce lee outfit?
The Bruce Lee scene is based on stunt-men's stories on how he acted during filming The Green Hornet. It wasn't out of no where and yes the Bride did wear Bruce Lee's "A Game Of Death" yellow jumpsuit. Quentin Tarantino loves Bruce Lee but people are people and that's the way it is. Bruce Lee made an ass of himself in hollywood only because the pussy stuntment who wern't used to being actually hit lol
Cmon I did not think Cliff would die this scene is so boring the second time around 🤦♂️ one of the weakest parts of the movie and it’s so long the flat tire gag is cringe but it is followed by one of the best scenes of the movie with the California dreaming sequence.
The second time? But you don't remember your first? You become jaded if you let go of that.
Chules manson would have done better in pulp fiction as the n word guy.
Meh. I thought the sequence was a boring waste of time that lead nowhere.
TARANTINO HAS A MASSIVE EGO on a MASSIVE SCALE
I was never for a moment terrified watching that scene. It was a curious scene at best. I've seen the movie twice..At the cinema. Second day it was released. My partner accompanied me.. She enjoyed it mostly. Then 3 days later we saw it again just incase we missed something and as we were still digesting it. Haven't had the urge to watch it again since though. A love letter to Hollywood. Hmmm.. I didn't see any of that in it specifically. I was waiting for something nostalgic..Apart from Yes.. Them re doing a lot of the places along the Boulevard which I enjoyed. That Bruce Lee scene.. I thought it was a bit Odd and just not believable that Brad Pitt.. And I do mean Brad and not the character he was playing.. I thought it a bit odd that Brad Pitt would beat Bruce Lee.. That scene didn't at all work for me. There were a couple of interesting moments in the film. I found it to be mainly uncompelling with a few stand out interesting scenes.
I was surprised.. Or was I or anyone really when Brad Pitt won the oscar.. As I don't think it was an oscar worthy performance at all. Sure..Brad acted well in it.. He was good.. He did a good standard job.. But/and so he gets an oscar for baring his chest on a roof top? Is that how that works. Quentin must have attended all the private parties in the Hollywood hills at the time to flog his new movie. Ohhh wait.. He is an accomplished filmmaker he doesn't need to flog his movies at parties. I see it two ways. One attends those private parties and avoids talking about business Or one attends those parties not with the intention of talking business but/and Inevitably ends up talking business. Yeah that ranch scene I wasn't concerned at all at any point for Brad Pitt(for his character). That he would become deceased.
Of course people get super excited about certain filmmakers doing a new project.. Depending what that project is. But instead of saying it's going to be the best. Because it's not going to be the best. What is a best? Rather wait.. See the movie.. Then comment.
So you saw it twice even though you found it uncompelling.
@@robertirvine7938 There were a couple of scenes I found interesting. The second viewing was within a couple of days and had much less impact. Never had the urge to watch it again.
TIL Jodi Foster's character dies in SotL lol
Subversion on a massive level? Is he stupid? Tarantino actually had a real chance to do an interesting take on the Manson Murders. Instead, what did he do? He reaffirmed the Helter Skelter myth, which has been discredited now for 2 decades. As for the Spahn Ranch scene, it was a cheesy witchy B horror movie sidetrack that sucked. It was laughable for a guy who sees himself as a Hollywood bad boy.
Swill
This scene was crap, killed the pacing completely
Spoiler lol
this movie sucked. lol
This movie was trash!!!!
That movie was a disgraceful piece of GARBAGE. ... Tarantino should make anime movies and serve an audience with HIS maturity level. ... Worst Director ALIVE.
Tarntino should've stopped after Pulp Fiction...wtf has he done that's even come close? He's got some skills, but mostly he's like a 12 yr old- oh let me guess, there will be a blood bath at the end of WHATEVER story he tells?...just retire already
Loved this movie even if it was a lot of dialogue just the scenery the costumes time
Period music” I hate the bitches who say Tarantino isn’t even that good “
Did u see the can of food for the dog it said eat flavor raccoon flavor that was dope
The end when Tex arrives at DiCaprio’s home was so suspenseful
Rat flavor dog food and raccoon
Cliff is a badass 😎
It is interesting. I did not feel terror. It's a great scene but I always felt that if anything went down Cliff would leave the Spawn Ranch a total masacre with scattered body parts of the Manson Family. I certainly felt the threat but I also felt what in fact transpired in the end of the movie, that Tex and the rest of the family were in over their heads with Cliff. The dude got the better of Bruce Lee. Tex simply didn't bring anything to the table other than being a sociopathic maniac. But it was a great scene.
I recall thinking that Cliff wasn't concerned enough about dying. He was cocky and cool even though he was surrounded by dangerous lunatics. I mean, one of those pretty little ladies could have shotgunned him from out of nowhere let alone the obvious threats.
In the novel, Cliff had come so close to dying so many times during the war that he wasn't worried about anything
we know the family is dangerous. no reason for cliff to think that. the cultural perception of hippies wasnt exactly threatening. thats what was so subversive about the Manson Family to begin with.
Tarantino was right. MANY people who visited Spahn Ranch disappeared. So even reporters who went their were nervous about talking to anyone. So his sense of fear of the ranch was correct.
I didn’t feel terror for Cliff after seeing him kick Bruce Lee’s arse.
Sounds like it was recorded in a MENS room or something.
I thought it be interesting if Cliff Booth Fought with the hippie girls and then left. Like an actual violent battle of hitting and throwing things!
It’s weird, but I didn’t think for a second Cliff could die in that scene. If anything, I found it pretty unremarkable.
I’m 65 years old and grew up in Simi Valley. I was of a generation of white kids who’s parents fled LA as part of “White Flight” after the Watts riots. I 1st moved to Simi when there was a single traffic light in the valley, I think it was on 1st street. The 1st night we moved there, we had no food, so my Dad drove us to the “walk-in” in “the knolls”.I remember watching triple feature Clint Eastwood movies at Larwin Square with my 9th grade girlfriend. My father as well as most of my friends Fathers drove “over the pass” to the SF valley daily. The Spahn ranch was RIGHT THERE, on the right as you drove towards the valley. I was 13 years old when the Manson stuff went down, somehow it seemed normal for the times. That Valley and surrounding hills had quite a few other weird things happening at that time, I grew up experience visible upside down Apollo engines being tested constantly at “Rocketdyne” in the hills above Santa Susana, totally normal for us. Rocketdyne was also the site of a partial meltdown of a nuclear reactor, little known. Not far from Spahn Ranch was “Hopetown Ranch” (Owned by Bob Hope) formally “Coriganville Movie Ranch”. As teens we used to go there to hang out with the Ghosts…no joke. I had a good friend that was the service manager at the Honda Shop in Simi. he LOVED to ride the Pass Road (very windy) one day he ended up in the hospital after crashing on the pass road, right in front of the exit to the Spahn Ranch. When I visited him in the hospital, he told me, “I saw something shiny on the roadway as I was turning, it turned was a knife blade lying in the road, he braked coming out of a turn on top of the blade, slid (no traction) and crashed …right at the turnoff to Spahn Ranch. Nearby was “Gravity Hill”. So named because if you parked your car in neutral on that hill (near a Nike missile base) your car would roll what looked to be uphill. That entire area was/is a trip. I was never surprised that insanity was able to take hold there. I saw it and experienced it. I don’t believe in mystical or magical, but that area is…different.
Really wasn’t a great movie. Good, not great.
Quentin’s reputation for killing off main characters helps this scene so much because you know killing him in this scene would be a very Quentin thing to do and so it seems almost as if it’s the most likely outcome
Sorry Quint, no one thought he was going to die.