Oh no, an attempt to test people based on actual soft skills that are necessary for the people-centered career paths of healthcare, instead of testing them based purely on their ability to remember bulk information and answer questions as quickly as possible. It's not perfect, but it's a small step in a better direction.
@@mmhg2986 the problem is casper is in no way an accurate measurement of the "people skills" that an applicant has. casper scenarios are all variants of the same themes, usually testing on whether the applicant would report an "incident" to a higher up (like a good little snitch) or try to mediate the conflict by "taking each party to the side and talking to them in a non-confrontational, non-judgmental matter." you say you cannot study for casper but that is hilariously false. much like sociopaths see social interactions as a Machiavellian transaction, premeds have already analyzed the most optimal, "politically and socially correct" answers to almost all casper scenarios (i.e., leaving room for ambiguity, talking to all parties, and reporting only if absolutely necessary). in that sense, casper is no different from any other standardized test. cold, calculated premeds are already cracking the code to get into the 4th quartile, whether they truly care about acting "ethically" or not. so yes, this test remains nothing more than an additional money grab for the medical school admissions industrial complex you can compare casper to secondary essays. especially ones that ask questions like "what is an interesting fact about you?" these tedious, mindless questions that premeds are required to answer have nothing to do with selecting good future doctors. a test of memorizing "bulk information" (which is the foundation of good doctoring skills), is much more meaningful than any measure of "interpersonal skills"
@@911AmericanPatriotNeverForget yikes man. If you seriously believe that interpersonal skills are significantly less important that bulk-memorization skills when it comes to the practice of any healthcare profession, you are sincerely and certainly part of the problem. If your ideal in medicine is to gain high accolades, achieve a higher social standing, and to have a streamlined path to making more money instead of treating patients and making them feel as comfortable as possible (time and circumstances willing) during their treatment processes/journeys, then the doctor path is NOT for you (nor would any career in healthcare be). This sort of dehumanizing outlook on what should be a priority in healthcare is what should actually EXCLUDE you from a career in healthcare and *especially* from practicing medicine. Might Casper be a money grab? I don't know. Is it a step in the right direction? Absolutely. It's within the best financial interests of employers who will hire a physician to take one on that excels at patient communication and empathetic skill anyhow. It's how hospitals, clinics, and other medically-oriented businesses avoid frivolous lawsuits, bad press, and other negative consequences of consistent poor patient experiences. As someone who has taken the Casper test and scored in the 4th quartile with zero preparation, myself, I can tell you it's genuinely not that bad of a test. There are other, SIGNIFICANTLY more problematic cogs in the medical school machine than this test.
@@mmhg2986 completely agree with you that interpersonal skills are important, and that one shouldn't go into medicine specifically for the prestige/money but sadly that is not the reality of the world. i would not be interested in becoming a doctor if i knew i wasn't guaranteed at least a $200k+ salary. money is my primary motivator, and it is the primary motivator for at least 90% of people trying to become doctors. you can try to gatekeep the profession and say that we don't deserve to be doctors because of that, but ask yourself: how many people would go through the hoops that becoming a doctor requires if it was a minimum wage job? i understand your worries, but even if money is my motivator, it is still in my very best interest to be the best doctor i can be, to not make any mistakes and to be a good communicator. i am not a psychopath who doesn't care about people; almost everyone i meet in life has described me as deserving of becoming a doctor, and they imagine me as much more altruistic than my comments seem to suggest. before you call me a shame to healthcare and say i should drop my dream of being a doctor, i just want you to know that i know of several students who: 1. cheated extensively on tests by abusing online learning to achieve close to 4.0 gpas from prestigious universities 2. founded fake/useless non-profit organizations and funneled the money of family/relatives/friends into it to make it seem like they have raised a lot of money for charitable causes on their application 3. just actually straight make up extracurricular activities such as volunteering in a 3rd world country, things that ad-coms supposedly check into, but they absolutely don't and this particular individual was accepted into med school anyway 4. inflated hours on their activities (tbh applicants even do this by mistake fairly frequently) 5. are GENUINELY racist, homophobic, intolerant of other religions, ethnicities, etc. seriously. these people know how to play the game of looking like a goody-two-shoes diversity-loving liberal, while in private telling me and others that they hope the med school and associated patient demographics they go to doesn't have any black, gay, or trans people on the OTHER hand... i also know students who have almost certainly only gotten into med school because.... (drum roll) 6. they played on the fact that they were a minority or disadvantaged to gain the sympathy of ad-coms looking for "diversity." these people were often times in better socioeconomic positions than many white male applicants, but they played the role of a poor oppressed minority anyway and were rewarded for it, even though they had significantly lower MCAT scores than average (one person I know played the 'i'm black' card to get into an MD program with a 506 mcat. his family owns several properties, including what seems to be a beach-side mansion in florida, from what i see on his social media. he paid over $20k in mcat prep/application review) you may mark me as racist or something for the things i said in number 6, but it seems as if the majority of the country agrees with me, seeing as how the supreme court just struck down affirmative action policies just this day. this comment essay is already long, but i just wanted to give you an idea of the people that are making it past the admissions committee """""filters""""". you may feel these people are not worthy of being doctors, and i wouldn't necessarily disagree with you, but they play by the same rules of the game as we all do, and they just do it better than us. putting in more """"filtering'""" tests like casper or preview clearly don't stop them, and only serve to line the pockets of the med school admissions industrial complex. like it or not, these people represent a significant portion of the future doctors of america. isn't that just nice?
I mean, I read all of what you said, and whether it's the reality or not, it doesn't really stand on its own legs as a point against taking steps towards making the admissions process HARDER for those people and people with those motivations. I'm not saying you're a bad person, or whatever else, but I am saying that your motivations for wanting to be a physician should exclude you from the process of becoming one if you aren't able to otherwise show that you have a patient-forward mindset. I, personally, have inflated nothing, don't care about the money in the slightest because I wasn't born into it to begin with, don't have perfect scores because I don't cheat and because I know I'm not the perfect student, but still have every intention of being the best doctor I can possibly be-whatever it takes. Yeah, the money will be great, but only insofar as it will be used to support my growing family and to repay my dues. I have hobbies, sure, but they don't cost as much as a million-dollar mortgage or a couple-hundred-thousand-dollar car. My point is that I just don't care about any of what you're saying these people care about and the "reality of the world". There are definitely exceptions to that "reality" and I have met many of them personally along my road. We should be encouraging those of us who'd make great doctors regardless but lack the untransferrable school skills (which do not help doctors treat patients after school is finished) to make pinnacle percentile scores, not punishing them or gatekeeping them with unrealistic barriers that only serve to perpetuate the "reality" you're describing to me; the barriers should be flipped to the other side of the coin.
As a Doctor of 33 years, i can say these tests are absolute bullshit. The predictors of success as a Dr are not determined by such nonsense tests. Simply put you need an above average IQ, decent amount of academic drive and foremost, be able to synthesise your observations and have excellent pattern recognition skills . Hard work , respectfulness and empathy plus listening skills are needed. Not everyone is cut out yo do medicine.
@@nella10123 yes absolutely. Grit, determination and passion will get you far in medicine. The scientific knowledge required for medicine is very basic. The longer i have been in medicine the more I believe that soft skills are far more important. Communication, listening, empathy is essential. Practical skills and ability to observe carefully are also important Im an ICU physician and yes there is basic science required day to day but these are not the most important
That faster typing could actually make sense…. Some profs talk sooo fast you can barely keep up. I would be in lots of trouble if I couldn’t write that fast
The intention of the test is that you aren't supposed to be able to study for it. It's to test your ability to reason and empathize outside of any proficiency in meta-thought and trying to answer questions as a means to an end (i.e just to pass the test).
This test is such a money grab it’s nauseating
Oh no, an attempt to test people based on actual soft skills that are necessary for the people-centered career paths of healthcare, instead of testing them based purely on their ability to remember bulk information and answer questions as quickly as possible.
It's not perfect, but it's a small step in a better direction.
@@mmhg2986 the problem is casper is in no way an accurate measurement of the "people skills" that an applicant has. casper scenarios are all variants of the same themes, usually testing on whether the applicant would report an "incident" to a higher up (like a good little snitch) or try to mediate the conflict by "taking each party to the side and talking to them in a non-confrontational, non-judgmental matter."
you say you cannot study for casper but that is hilariously false. much like sociopaths see social interactions as a Machiavellian transaction, premeds have already analyzed the most optimal, "politically and socially correct" answers to almost all casper scenarios (i.e., leaving room for ambiguity, talking to all parties, and reporting only if absolutely necessary). in that sense, casper is no different from any other standardized test. cold, calculated premeds are already cracking the code to get into the 4th quartile, whether they truly care about acting "ethically" or not. so yes, this test remains nothing more than an additional money grab for the medical school admissions industrial complex
you can compare casper to secondary essays. especially ones that ask questions like "what is an interesting fact about you?" these tedious, mindless questions that premeds are required to answer have nothing to do with selecting good future doctors. a test of memorizing "bulk information" (which is the foundation of good doctoring skills), is much more meaningful than any measure of "interpersonal skills"
@@911AmericanPatriotNeverForget yikes man. If you seriously believe that interpersonal skills are significantly less important that bulk-memorization skills when it comes to the practice of any healthcare profession, you are sincerely and certainly part of the problem.
If your ideal in medicine is to gain high accolades, achieve a higher social standing, and to have a streamlined path to making more money instead of treating patients and making them feel as comfortable as possible (time and circumstances willing) during their treatment processes/journeys, then the doctor path is NOT for you (nor would any career in healthcare be).
This sort of dehumanizing outlook on what should be a priority in healthcare is what should actually EXCLUDE you from a career in healthcare and *especially* from practicing medicine.
Might Casper be a money grab? I don't know. Is it a step in the right direction? Absolutely. It's within the best financial interests of employers who will hire a physician to take one on that excels at patient communication and empathetic skill anyhow. It's how hospitals, clinics, and other medically-oriented businesses avoid frivolous lawsuits, bad press, and other negative consequences of consistent poor patient experiences.
As someone who has taken the Casper test and scored in the 4th quartile with zero preparation, myself, I can tell you it's genuinely not that bad of a test. There are other, SIGNIFICANTLY more problematic cogs in the medical school machine than this test.
@@mmhg2986
completely agree with you that interpersonal skills are important, and that one shouldn't go into medicine specifically for the prestige/money
but sadly that is not the reality of the world. i would not be interested in becoming a doctor if i knew i wasn't guaranteed at least a $200k+ salary. money is my primary motivator, and it is the primary motivator for at least 90% of people trying to become doctors. you can try to gatekeep the profession and say that we don't deserve to be doctors because of that, but ask yourself: how many people would go through the hoops that becoming a doctor requires if it was a minimum wage job?
i understand your worries, but even if money is my motivator, it is still in my very best interest to be the best doctor i can be, to not make any mistakes and to be a good communicator. i am not a psychopath who doesn't care about people; almost everyone i meet in life has described me as deserving of becoming a doctor, and they imagine me as much more altruistic than my comments seem to suggest.
before you call me a shame to healthcare and say i should drop my dream of being a doctor, i just want you to know that i know of several students who:
1. cheated extensively on tests by abusing online learning to achieve close to 4.0 gpas from prestigious universities
2. founded fake/useless non-profit organizations and funneled the money of family/relatives/friends into it to make it seem like they have raised a lot of money for charitable causes on their application
3. just actually straight make up extracurricular activities such as volunteering in a 3rd world country, things that ad-coms supposedly check into, but they absolutely don't and this particular individual was accepted into med school anyway
4. inflated hours on their activities (tbh applicants even do this by mistake fairly frequently)
5. are GENUINELY racist, homophobic, intolerant of other religions, ethnicities, etc. seriously. these people know how to play the game of looking like a goody-two-shoes diversity-loving liberal, while in private telling me and others that they hope the med school and associated patient demographics they go to doesn't have any black, gay, or trans people
on the OTHER hand... i also know students who have almost certainly only gotten into med school because.... (drum roll)
6. they played on the fact that they were a minority or disadvantaged to gain the sympathy of ad-coms looking for "diversity." these people were often times in better socioeconomic positions than many white male applicants, but they played the role of a poor oppressed minority anyway and were rewarded for it, even though they had significantly lower MCAT scores than average (one person I know played the 'i'm black' card to get into an MD program with a 506 mcat. his family owns several properties, including what seems to be a beach-side mansion in florida, from what i see on his social media. he paid over $20k in mcat prep/application review)
you may mark me as racist or something for the things i said in number 6, but it seems as if the majority of the country agrees with me, seeing as how the supreme court just struck down affirmative action policies just this day.
this comment essay is already long, but i just wanted to give you an idea of the people that are making it past the admissions committee """""filters""""". you may feel these people are not worthy of being doctors, and i wouldn't necessarily disagree with you, but they play by the same rules of the game as we all do, and they just do it better than us. putting in more """"filtering'""" tests like casper or preview clearly don't stop them, and only serve to line the pockets of the med school admissions industrial complex. like it or not, these people represent a significant portion of the future doctors of america. isn't that just nice?
I mean, I read all of what you said, and whether it's the reality or not, it doesn't really stand on its own legs as a point against taking steps towards making the admissions process HARDER for those people and people with those motivations. I'm not saying you're a bad person, or whatever else, but I am saying that your motivations for wanting to be a physician should exclude you from the process of becoming one if you aren't able to otherwise show that you have a patient-forward mindset. I, personally, have inflated nothing, don't care about the money in the slightest because I wasn't born into it to begin with, don't have perfect scores because I don't cheat and because I know I'm not the perfect student, but still have every intention of being the best doctor I can possibly be-whatever it takes. Yeah, the money will be great, but only insofar as it will be used to support my growing family and to repay my dues. I have hobbies, sure, but they don't cost as much as a million-dollar mortgage or a couple-hundred-thousand-dollar car. My point is that I just don't care about any of what you're saying these people care about and the "reality of the world". There are definitely exceptions to that "reality" and I have met many of them personally along my road. We should be encouraging those of us who'd make great doctors regardless but lack the untransferrable school skills (which do not help doctors treat patients after school is finished) to make pinnacle percentile scores, not punishing them or gatekeeping them with unrealistic barriers that only serve to perpetuate the "reality" you're describing to me; the barriers should be flipped to the other side of the coin.
Man the test has changed so much since i took it a 13 years ago. It was so much simpler back then and cheaper.
watching this 15 min before my exam
how was it?
I really appreciate this channel, thank you
This was very informative. Thank you!!!
As a Doctor of 33 years, i can say these tests are absolute bullshit. The predictors of success as a Dr are not determined by such nonsense tests. Simply put you need an above average IQ, decent amount of academic drive and foremost, be able to synthesise your observations and have excellent pattern recognition skills . Hard work , respectfulness and empathy plus listening skills are needed. Not everyone is cut out yo do medicine.
Doc, would I be able to do well in med school if im not naturally talented in the sciences but if i work hard?
@@nella10123 yes absolutely. Grit, determination and passion will get you far in medicine.
The scientific knowledge required for medicine is very basic. The longer i have been in medicine the more I believe that soft skills are far more important. Communication, listening, empathy is essential. Practical skills and ability to observe carefully are also important
Im an ICU physician and yes there is basic science required day to day but these are not the most important
@@ce7545I’m an emergency physician and it wasn’t hard to become one at all. I barely studied as the sciences were very simple.
Wait what?! What is the Casper test???
damn the day McMaster designed this test
McMaster University keeps pumping out these garbage assessments
Preach. And their bullshit MMI format
Is Casper part of secondary applications? Can we take it after the submission of the primaries
Yes but your app won’t be complete until Casper schools receive your score
Sounds like a pageant almost
CASPER cost 85$ now?
Ca$$$per
That faster typing could actually make sense…. Some profs talk sooo fast you can barely keep up. I would be in lots of trouble if I couldn’t write that fast
You don’t have to write the professors words verbatim to succeed in school. If you are trying to do this then you aren’t actually paying attention
How do you make your drawings for your videos and animate them?
The course is not available on your website.
Third. Bruh It's 11:11 pm right now because of my timezone
How do you study for this besides taking the practice exam?
The intention of the test is that you aren't supposed to be able to study for it. It's to test your ability to reason and empathize outside of any proficiency in meta-thought and trying to answer questions as a means to an end (i.e just to pass the test).
Yeah I only took one practice test the day before and didn’t study. Got 4th quartile. Seems lots of luck involved too
Am I wrong or do the video responses not count towards yours quartile grade ?
Third??
Second??
nah. you're first
This new format stinks for people who can't talk quickly. I know I am probably in the minority for that though ;-;
First??
nah. you're second
Wtf is Casper? N why do we care?
Third??