Thanks for watching everyone! What other questions do you have about the medical school application process that you want me to cover in a future video? Let me know!
what is the minimum competitive gpa and mcat score in your opinion for admission to allopathic schools? also how can we determine which med school will give us the best education?
How can someone watch this video and not be disgusted by the application process? It's a colossal mess of subjectivity and feelings and insider games. What a tremendous waste of human effort that discourages many talented people from a rewarding profession!
It's like that for colleges now. It's ridiculous. I got a 34 on my ACT and because this past year was test-optional, I don't think it helped me at all for some of these colleges I applied to. But yeah totally agree bro
Got to love the transparency. He says it’s a little unfair, subjective, and mostly just about entertaining a decision maker. And unfortunately if your honest application is a little boring, you’re forced to be a little dishonest in order to entertain that decision maker.
Alternatively, that person could actually do something that isn’t cookie cutter at some point before applying? so they’ll have something interesting to write about in their app without being dishonest...most people know they plan to apply years before doing it, it’s not like there’s not time. People may be busy trying to focus on their grades/test scores, but so is everyone! If people sacrifice some of that time to do something else that makes them stand out (a job, unique volunteering, a cool hobby, etc.), then I think those people deserve to be highlighted. It’s easy to get good grades if that’s all you spend your waking hours doing - what’s hard is being able to maintain impressive stats *while doing other activities*, and I believe that’s why adcoms love to see it.
@@savannah4439 I don’t think I disagree with any of that, and it is good advice. The problem is everything you said is very generic. You basically just said “get good stats and do interesting stuff” in a couple paragraphs. “Interesting” is very subjective and really boils down to who is making the decision on your app, which is my point. Be interesting to the person reading your application, whoever the hell that is.
Being a doctor is a very big decision. Admission officers wanna make sure that you commit. If you dont know the exact reason to why you want to be a doctor then you shouldn’t become a doctor. There is no reason such as I just want to be a doctor. There must be a story behind how you came to decide to be a doctor. A doctor once told me that when I couldn’t answer her why I wanted to be a doctor because I had no story and I felt she was discouraging me. I spent months thinking about her question tho and realized I don’t really really want to be a doctor. I certainly would like to be one but I think I would be happy being a doctor for two three years before I start hating it for all the sacrifices that I would have to make. Just simply put my love for medicine is not enough to help me endure those hardships. That’s why you need to have a story and a reason for why you want to be a doctor and if you dont have one you most likely shouldn’t become one. Btw if you lie in your essay it shows.
@strategic85 it is because you said that if your app is boring you would be forced to be dishonest. I just think if you really have a real reason behind becoming a doctor your app wouldn’t be boring because it would be unique. Also, I wanted to mention that you shouldn’t be dishonest in your application instead you need to find out the real reason why you want to be a doctor which is certainly not boring. I honestly dont leave comments on social media, but just wanted anyone out there that reads this and feels that their app is “boring” to think about getting into medicine more bc it might be a sign that you are not going in for the right reasons. However, that’s only my opinion and it could not be applicable for someone else’s case. Just didn’t want a young person to go all in when they will regret their decision later because becoming a doctor is a huge investment financially, emotionally, and physically. Sorry if I misunderstood your point tho.
I 100% back the narrative based application as it makes your application way more appealing. The best way to craft a story is to look into what your unique interests, values and experiences are that have led you to this point. My med school application did just that, I went into my childhood experiences with medical care, how that shaped my perspectives and why that inspired me to pursue medicine. Find areas throughout your story to link back to your achievements and tie that in to the main message of the story (i.e. why medicine is right for you).
The in-state bias is very apparent and in my opinion, a good thing. I applied to 18 medical schools this cycle and only got into 1 - my in-state school.
Sorry to ask but did you say in another thread that you got into UW-Madison? Maybe I read it wrong... I only ask bc I’m from WI and I plan to continue here by either going to MCW or Madison... 🤞🏻
I'm im 9th grade and I have literally planned for my whole career with the help of this channel. Thank you much for providing such large quantitie of free knowledge.
That’s awesome! But also don’t forget to take it slow. There’s a million steps between where you are now and your end goal so don’t worry about planning too much at this point
bro same I can't believe 9th grade is already over. I'm planning to go to med school and specialize in neurosurgery. Crazy how we have to plan so much, but I enjoy it.
Literally had to check to see if I had posted this comment three weeks ago and somehow magically forgotten about previously seeing the video, because this is exactly how I feel haha. Like, yeah my grades are rough and this last semester kicked my ass, but it's okay because I'm really good at being interesting to a fault and people tend to like giving me chances at things lol
ER doctor here ! I was an Hispanic Immigrant McDonalds worker and now a physician ! I have lots to say on this topic ! Long story short they do want the minority student BUT only if you also have those objective metrics ! Long story short doesn't matter how nice you are, how hard you worked on top of school, how you came from a humble background how you work at prestigious palaces, etc if you don't have the numbers BYE BYE ! NEXT ! So you are a number first and then they will care to learn about you ! Oh well my two cents so sad but is the truth ! Some are set up for failure and we must work 10x harder to just become equal ! Stay hungry, stay focused, and be willing to make sacrifices !
The numbers needed for different ethnicities vary significantly. As I pointed out in the video, a student would need much higher GPA and MCAT as an Asian. Other populations matriculate with significantly lower average GPA and MCAT. Official AAMC data
@@MedSchoolInsiders Thank you for your response. Sorry I am just stating what I have seen around me and in my own life. I guess when you have enough people (power) you are able to detect a difference when one actually exist !
@@FacundoMD Hi! I saw your video about your journey to become a doctor, and it was very moving and inspirational! I am an immigrant myself and hopefully I will be able to pursue my dream of becoming a doc too :) you are proof that it is not impossible or too late🤩
@@mke_gal HEY ;) Thank you so happy to hear that ! Yes I really think if you work hard you take the right steps you sacrifice little things here and there it can come true ! And never too late one of my co-residents is 45 and had a super career before but he wanted something more ! Thank you for following : )
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today." Martin Luther King Jr.
I’m interested in primary care and underserved areas, so hopefully that will work in my favor. Also, I’m not surprised adcoms check social media, which isn’t an issue as I don’t use it. The narrative based application supports my advisor’s (who was in her school’s adcom) advice to have a compelling story, as that helped her get in with low stats. While GPA and MCAT are important, DO schools are more likely to consider other factors.
When it comes to rural students and a desire to bring medicine to underserved communities, that's genuinely exactly what I want to do. I grew up in the middle of nowhere, graduated with a class of 59, and I think the local communities near where I went to high school really need a local family medicine practice. So it's great that I can get some favor, but it sucks that people are using that to gain points on their application when they don't have any interest in actually doing it.
As someone who do have a strong interest in being a family doctor and do have a strong intention in practicing and serving in this cozy town, how can I effectively demonstrate that I’m not trying to manipulate it?
By having your AMCAS experiences reflect an interest in primary care or rural medicine (shadowing in primary care or rural areas) or working with people in rural backgrounds. Do research projects focusing on public health or primary care related issues. If you do genomics research and only shadowed specialists and then say that you are interested in primary care and working in underserved areas... don't expect that to work.
I think a lot less than other specialities, this is why many schools are reducing or eliminating tuition for students interested in primary care (i.e Kaiser and NYU)
Being a GP is one of the lowest paid doctors, but practicing in rural areas actually tends to pay more. The issue is there is a medical specialty called rural medicine. You basically have to be every kind of doctor rolled into one, so you can help all types of issues and an emergency with the closets hospital being 2-3 hours away. Also, most people don’t want to live in such remote locations.
For emergency medicine (and many others), underserved areas definitely pay more. We call it "geographic arbitrage" - the lower the cost of living, likely the higher the compensation. Wacky but true.
Love how he spent so much time depicting trying to acknowledge the value of underrepresented minorities but downplayed the influence of parents and families who exert professional/personal/financial influence, which is far more common.
@@thepapillonwarrior1159 it’s not that they should be given preference, it’s that the diversity of perspective and life experience should be valued, as well as the work of individuals who had to overcome disproportionately high barriers.
@@TheIsaacHour Until the healthcare system addresses biased and racist healthcare practices like denying black women pain management, then yes, certain minority groups more experienced with that patient population should receive preference.
So I have a narrative but that story implies being honest that i didn't always want to be a doctor. I dabbled in law and got my degree in Mech E but now I'm committed to medicine. Can i portray this story in applications without seeming diffident and flippant with my career choices??
There's actually a girl in my med school who has a wholeass degree in MTech, worked for 1yr & then realised that med was her true calling. If you can portray why you feel med is a good fit & law wasn't- I think that'll be good enough !
@@Rittika19 I'd love to hear her reasons and learn how she leveraged engineering as a path to med school and more importantly how her application was received and whether MechE was an edge or a detriment. You didn't have to respond but thank you so much for sharing. I have found less than half a handful of people who have done it, so any encouragement is appreciated.
@@ahmedkunbargi8096 She wasn't as happy as she expected to be in her career even though she had a great salary etc. Her brother was 1st yr med student around that time & seeing his books & listening abt mbbs from him really made her feel interested & excited so she prepared for the exams & cleared it. She is the oldest in our batch ofc (currently is 26 while we all 20-22)but she is super determined & that's all that matters. Don't be discouraged, instead use your past as an asset! Unfortunately I don't know her personally enough to brief you on the admission details. But once in med school, it was lil challenging for her to fit in initially, lots of gossips & jokes etc but when she aced 1st yr- she pretty much shut it all down. Hopefully you get some solid guidance from ppl in your situation! I personally think it's Badass to get up & leave when uk it's not for you & that, it's an asset ! All the best!
I know I don’t have all the check mark for the application like clinical volunteering & research. But as someone who never had a car, jobs weren’t paying too well & couldn’t ask my mom to take me everywhere. It’s hard trying to complete everything my cousins told me to do
I imagine since it comes down to the personal opinion of the auditor, if you ask “would any individual find this inappropriate”, and the answer is yes. Then I imagine a med school interviewer would.
Gurl let me tell you something! Think this way, and you’ll become a depressed doctor in 10 years-time. You have to please them now and when you’re in, RESUME LIVING YOUR THING because you would basically GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO LIMIT YOU, to tell you that “you’re not enough”. Don’t listen to the other advice you got
I think our society is moving in a good direction about this, and more and more medical/educational administrators are taking over who don't care to perpetuate body shaming et cetera. The medical communicator trend online is to call out that nonsense for the puritanical regression that it is.
The American Medical Association wants to deconstruct the “meritocracy” of medical schools. Does that mean new doctors won’t have to meet any standardized tests and will get pushed through school based on other factors instead of objective merit? Should be interesting when surgical outcomes are measured in a few years….
@@sebucwerd Step 1 was made pass/fail because it's being used outside its scope. The 95% confidence interval is about 25 points, which means there's no significant difference between someone getting a 230 and a 250. Yet clearly that's not how residency directors are using those scores The average step 1 score has risen by 10 points over the last ten years alone because of how high-stakes this one exam has become. At some schools, the average has risen almost 20 points in the last ten years. Most practicing attendings went to school at a time where step 1 scores were significantly lower, yet they aren't worse clinicians
What really matters is weather or not they can practice medicine safely once they have completed residency. In other words: Has the person met or exceeded the standard becoming qualified to practice medicine on their own?
Well I’ll have a hell of a story to tell once I apply to med school currently only in the 10th grade going to 11 next fall semester but my mom is in a wheelchair has been since I was three , my dad is in and out of my life and we don’t have the best living situation plus way more stuff
Hi dr. J! Can you please tell more about your nutrition advice? I eat different foods just trying to stay healthy throughout life. Any advice would help! Thanks !
This video was a bit of a rip off of Sr Gray. Mainly because it's not about racial preferences or gaming the system, it is about who you are, the transferable skills you have, and whether you'll have the grit, integrity, and care to be an asset to the medical community. You can teach anyone the maths and Sciences but the reason why rural and underrepresented communities continue to suffer disproportionately in health outcomes, that's because these physicians who are not from those communities do not know how to treat these communities. The doctors don't treat them like family, they don't take the time to build trust, they don't give the extra care in order to understand how pathologies are different and access may be different. In order to make healthcare more equitable we need less robotic physicians and more empathic, dedicated and diverse physicians. Stats will only take you so far if you don't have a genuine *why medicine*
Doctors are not family members, they're professionals of treating human disease. Believe it or not, white doctors can prescribe statins for black patients too.
@@sebucwerd You're missing the entire point. Not truly caring about your patient and the community you work in will have horrible effects for patients. Academics is a small part of what makes a great doctor hence why more and more schools are becoming holistic. I won't even get into the medical racism that exist due to these shitty doctors. If an individual think stats is all it should take for someone to get into medical school, I pray they aren't applying. That's scary.
@@sebucwerd it’s not that white physicians can’t. It’s been shown over and over that there are several discrepancies in care between white and black patients. Hence why diversity in physicians is extremely important.
@@sebucwerd You completely missed the point. It’s basic understanding that you’re likely to care more for communities that you are from. There are communities that have less trust than others in the healthcare system and physicians acting like Robots will not fix that. Just because patients are not family does not mean you cannot give them the basic decency of treating them like they are.
Idk if this is an unpopular opinion, but I feel that it would be in the best interest of schools to select their matriculation based purely on merit, not on racial/ethnic identity. Lemme be clear tho, I absolutely understand and agree with the fact that African Americans, Latin/Hispanic Americans, Native Americans, etc are underrepresented in medicine and that really hurts our healthcare system's ability to interact with and support our communities. However, titrating your matriculant population to match the desire for a diverse physician population at the expense of quality seems like the wrong way to handle it. If we really want underrepresented ethnicities and races to be proportionally represented, I feel like the compensation needs to take place at a more grassroots level, like offering additional educational support to minority families in grade school and undergrad years. Minorities are disadvantaged socioeconomically, meaning they don't have access to private education, tutors and preparatory programs like TPR, Kaplan, etc. like people from wealthier communities. If they could get more of the same opportunities, I feel that purely merit-based selection criteria would yield matriculant populations more representative of our society.
Your comment assumes these types of students cannot achieve merit, but URM can be very bright as well and can have GPAs higher than whites and “ORM.” Race matters because URM are most likely to work with underrepresented populations who need to be healthy too (Racism happens against these populations even still). URM will most likely also take the lower paying medical jobs that work with populations who need medicaid or medicare, because many come from disadvantaged backgrounds in the social and economic context too. There are a lot of minorities who distrust healthcare professionals because of the dark history it has with them. In the U.S., Native Americans, former slaves, and even African Americans generations later were used in heinous experimentation practices for “clinical “ research similar and maybe worse than those used by Nazis, to develop many of the treatment and surgeries people obsess over. Traces of eugenics still pervades in medicine and other parts of academia. Having more people from different experiences and backgrounds who truly care about the population they serve and have an honest commitment and experience with that population, will help bring that trust back.
@@chelseaa7516 I don't think you understood my point exactly...I'm not disagreeing with you regarding the existence of systemic racism. Also, I never implied that URM are not bright people. I only pointed out that URMs lack equal opportunity and resources because of how America's past has disenfranchised them, and that medical schools are trying to make up for the difference by lowering standards for certain ethnic groups at the expense of others.
@@maximumovermuslim6337 URM are hardly applying to medical school and make less than 5% of doctors. What expense? Standards for medical schools are specific to schools, and they are high regardless for many schools. If a school "lowers" their standards for another candidate, you should have hard evidence. That is still an assumption.
@@maximumovermuslim6337FANTASTIC (insert sarcasm), you just stated you made a hard claim without any real evidence. If you knew you could not provide any, why would you make that claim in the first place? Rather than write pointless statements that are going to make you and others mad because of their baselessness, do your research and enlighten yourself. Otherwise, you risk becoming an angry person pointing your anger at a group of people who has done nothing to you or against you. Pick any medical school of your choosing and ask your questions on admissions to THEM specifically. You may be surprised on the numbers.
All communities need to be represented fairly the same way the electoral college elects the president. No race or ethnicity is given special privileges, so stop playing the race card. There has to be a fraction representing the diverse ethnicities out there from the pool of applicants. All applicants require very high scores to be selected. For every 20, 1 has to represent a certain group in the community.
That seems like an annoying and biased way of entering a university. Where i live its all based on tests. We do 2 tests, those who pass the first test are allowed to take the second one and the top 120 students on that test are accepted in medschool. More simple and fair.
So if you are applying to an in-state but do not want to pursue family or rural medicine, it might be a good thing to imply that you do? I would rather be genuine about my interests... Just hope I can detail them well enough in the personal statement
You should definitely be genuine. You do not want to be accepted into a program that emphasizes rural/underserved medicine and ofc you have no interest in it. You will not be satisfied because you will be completing rotations in underserved/rural hospitals and clinics.
@@destiny.shantelle yeah, I agree, I think some people might feel compelled to do that though if they aren’t super competitive applicants and feel that their chances are higher in-state even if the program doesn’t match their interests too well
@@mke_gal yeah. That sucks though. Usually adcoms will see right through it. I know someone who participates in giving interviews at an HBCU medical school and he told me that a lot of times, he can see right through people who only applied to the HBCU medical schools as a “safety school”. If you did not come from an rural/underserved area or even did not participate in activities that help or gave you exposure to those communities, it will be pretty obvious tbh
@@mke_gal definitely! Im applying this year and i had to be real with myself with some schools and take them off of my list because of the mission statement. The good thing about medical school is that there are a lot of programs to choose from
If you're a US citizen !! Can i get 200k plus loan if i already have overseas bachelor deg and I'm applying to dental school for the first 1 year in US with only a Visa?
Differences between associates in health science and bachelor's in health science....I have to choose between the two, I'm currently in A level and don't know which to pick or start
would that not just be a two year degree vs four year degree? I think a four year degree is required in the US. Not sure how things are different in Europe, but if you know for sure (for super sure) you want to do medicine I would say choose the shorter degree if it's available, since its a stepping stone anyway. If you feel you need to live a little more life first/are unsure about med school, do the longer one!
@@brownbiscuit4254 My recommendation is to major in biomedical engineering if you prefer the wonders of innovation and designing new products that would be used in medicine, in contrast to being a physician who interacts with patients and performs the procedures. Of course, there are people who major in biomedical engineering and become physicians. It’s not an uncommon path. Honestly medical schools don’t care too much at all about your major as long as you satisfied the pre-requisite courses. Heck, some people major in music and are accepted into medical school. Just focus more on maintaining a high GPA and participate in extracurricular activities and clubs, and take the pre-requisites!!
About 1/3 of the bme majors at my school were premed. Just be aware that med school has waaay more memorization than bme, so that's a bit of a transition.
@@itzelr3514 that's not true of East Asian countries like Japan and South Korea. High schoolers go directly into med school by passing an entrance exam, which is offered once a year.
@@itzelr3514 My point was that the entrance exam is all that matters, not the personal statement or even GPA. Admission is not a holistic view of an applicant, as you're describing.
I would refrain from talking about mental illness too. I'm super passionate about it and have overcome it too. I have a strong application but the feedback I got was that my personal essay was the thing holding me back. message me if you want advice on what to do but you feel mental health is something you're passionate about or have experienced.
omg would you be willing to actually talk to me about this?👀 I am a non traditional applicant. graduated in May 2019 w/ my BS in Biochemistry and I will be applying for the first time this upcoming cycle in June. I’ve dealt with a TON of anxiety and subsequent depression (they seem to work in tandem) around the MCAT. I think my resilience in the mental health department is the greatest testament to my dedication to medical school if I’m being honest. It’s been the source of all the anxiety and yet I haven’t given up. I’m wondering if there’s ANY way to put this topic in a positive light and not have it always looked at as a weakness. what have you done? have you been accepted? if so, did you have to remove that part of yourself from your application completely in order for it to happen? I’m so incredibly interested in this!!!
So strangely enough me not caring ab helping people could benefit me in my Medical school application process?😂 Bc i really dont, i just want to gain as much knowledge from the field as i can and am fascinated by the human brain.
Yeah, you're looking for a masters or PhD program. Like with acting, you should only go into medicine if you cannot imagine doing anything else. The grind isn't worth it otherwise. Edit: spelling
Im a nurse at residency run primary care clinic. Roughly 90% of the residents don't want to do primary care once they're with their residency. It's either a hospitalist or specialty like cardiology which is currently very popular.
There are a lot of communities where a doctor who understands the specific culture is much more effective. Sometimes that means someone who grew up in that culture, and sometimes that means someone who looks like most of the people in that community.
In my opinion race should not be a factor in college and med school admissions. After all, we are looking to create the best doctors who will save peoples' lives, it shouldn't matter whether you are white, black, asian, mixed, or purple. What this instead does is bring in unqualified people of some races and rejects qualified applicants of other races.
Thanks for watching everyone! What other questions do you have about the medical school application process that you want me to cover in a future video? Let me know!
So you want to be an intensivist... please make a video on this.
Do you guys help with PA admissions?
I suggest LGBTQ+ medical associations
what is the minimum competitive gpa and mcat score in your opinion for admission to allopathic schools? also how can we determine which med school will give us the best education?
@@celyadahmani7085 he made many videos about your questions
I'm about to tell them i want to practice primary care in a small rural town in Maine.
You and thousands of other people
louis creed is that you??
Lol that’s actually what I want to do. 😆😬
@@tay3103 yah, me too 😉
@@Terminator_48 lol
How can someone watch this video and not be disgusted by the application process?
It's a colossal mess of subjectivity and feelings and insider games. What a tremendous waste of human effort that discourages many talented people from a rewarding profession!
It's like that for colleges now. It's ridiculous. I got a 34 on my ACT and because this past year was test-optional, I don't think it helped me at all for some of these colleges I applied to. But yeah totally agree bro
I agree. There’s too much subjectivity
@@ct8377 I totally get you. I'm in the exact same boat too.
I think there should be some kind of lottery once people meet the minimum requirements, and/or automatic acceptance with a higher threshold.
For sure but it's the same thing for getting a job (which med school sort of is...).
Got to love the transparency. He says it’s a little unfair, subjective, and mostly just about entertaining a decision maker. And unfortunately if your honest application is a little boring, you’re forced to be a little dishonest in order to entertain that decision maker.
Alternatively, that person could actually do something that isn’t cookie cutter at some point before applying? so they’ll have something interesting to write about in their app without being dishonest...most people know they plan to apply years before doing it, it’s not like there’s not time. People may be busy trying to focus on their grades/test scores, but so is everyone! If people sacrifice some of that time to do something else that makes them stand out (a job, unique volunteering, a cool hobby, etc.), then I think those people deserve to be highlighted. It’s easy to get good grades if that’s all you spend your waking hours doing - what’s hard is being able to maintain impressive stats *while doing other activities*, and I believe that’s why adcoms love to see it.
@@savannah4439 I don’t think I disagree with any of that, and it is good advice. The problem is everything you said is very generic. You basically just said “get good stats and do interesting stuff” in a couple paragraphs. “Interesting” is very subjective and really boils down to who is making the decision on your app, which is my point. Be interesting to the person reading your application, whoever the hell that is.
Being a doctor is a very big decision. Admission officers wanna make sure that you commit. If you dont know the exact reason to why you want to be a doctor then you shouldn’t become a doctor. There is no reason such as I just want to be a doctor. There must be a story behind how you came to decide to be a doctor. A doctor once told me that when I couldn’t answer her why I wanted to be a doctor because I had no story and I felt she was discouraging me. I spent months thinking about her question tho and realized I don’t really really want to be a doctor. I certainly would like to be one but I think I would be happy being a doctor for two three years before I start hating it for all the sacrifices that I would have to make. Just simply put my love for medicine is not enough to help me endure those hardships. That’s why you need to have a story and a reason for why you want to be a doctor and if you dont have one you most likely shouldn’t become one. Btw if you lie in your essay it shows.
@@reemeyad6490 I agree with most of that, I just don’t know what it has to do with my comment.
@strategic85 it is because you said that if your app is boring you would be forced to be dishonest. I just think if you really have a real reason behind becoming a doctor your app wouldn’t be boring because it would be unique. Also, I wanted to mention that you shouldn’t be dishonest in your application instead you need to find out the real reason why you want to be a doctor which is certainly not boring. I honestly dont leave comments on social media, but just wanted anyone out there that reads this and feels that their app is “boring” to think about getting into medicine more bc it might be a sign that you are not going in for the right reasons. However, that’s only my opinion and it could not be applicable for someone else’s case. Just didn’t want a young person to go all in when they will regret their decision later because becoming a doctor is a huge investment financially, emotionally, and physically. Sorry if I misunderstood your point tho.
I'm in medical school already and I still watch these videos... Man this is unhealthy
Lol, same, kinda. I am starting my HO fellowship next month. It's really interesting, haha.
I'm out of college, not going to med school and I still watched this video
Congrats on getting into med school!
So am I ... why am I here?
Same 😂 im almost done with med school, yettt
Imagine turning away someone that could do the job well due to factors that dont have anything to do with the job. Absolutely stupid.
That is true of almost all college admission process. There is a level of bias involved.
@@aviatorsound914Just because everyone does it, it doesn’t mean that it is justified or right.
I'm addicted to these videos but they're also stressing me out
I 100% back the narrative based application as it makes your application way more appealing. The best way to craft a story is to look into what your unique interests, values and experiences are that have led you to this point. My med school application did just that, I went into my childhood experiences with medical care, how that shaped my perspectives and why that inspired me to pursue medicine. Find areas throughout your story to link back to your achievements and tie that in to the main message of the story (i.e. why medicine is right for you).
@Daisy I. agreed
The in-state bias is very apparent and in my opinion, a good thing. I applied to 18 medical schools this cycle and only got into 1 - my in-state school.
Sorry to ask but did you say in another thread that you got into UW-Madison? Maybe I read it wrong... I only ask bc I’m from WI and I plan to continue here by either going to MCW or Madison... 🤞🏻
@@mke_gal Nope Iowa, but good luck!
@@thefenerbahcesk4156 thanks!!
I'm also from Iowa. Would you mind sharing ur gpa, mcat, and other stuff you did? I'm not sure I'm gonna make it into uoi
I'm im 9th grade and I have literally planned for my whole career with the help of this channel. Thank you much for providing such large quantitie of free knowledge.
Hi! I don't mean to be rude, but it's spelled quantity. Just to let you know!
@@genericusername9097 it looks like they just forgot to add the ‘s’ at the end to spell ‘quantities’
That’s awesome! But also don’t forget to take it slow. There’s a million steps between where you are now and your end goal so don’t worry about planning too much at this point
bro same I can't believe 9th grade is already over. I'm planning to go to med school and specialize in neurosurgery. Crazy how we have to plan so much, but I enjoy it.
@@emilyames3676 yeah emily its a long road
This video gave me a boost of motivation. Especially after the recent spring semester I just had. THANK YOU!
Literally had to check to see if I had posted this comment three weeks ago and somehow magically forgotten about previously seeing the video, because this is exactly how I feel haha. Like, yeah my grades are rough and this last semester kicked my ass, but it's okay because I'm really good at being interesting to a fault and people tend to like giving me chances at things lol
ER doctor here ! I was an Hispanic Immigrant McDonalds worker and now a physician ! I have lots to say on this topic ! Long story short they do want the minority student BUT only if you also have those objective metrics ! Long story short doesn't matter how nice you are, how hard you worked on top of school, how you came from a humble background how you work at prestigious palaces, etc if you don't have the numbers BYE BYE ! NEXT ! So you are a number first and then they will care to learn about you ! Oh well my two cents so sad but is the truth !
Some are set up for failure and we must work 10x harder to just become equal !
Stay hungry, stay focused, and be willing to make sacrifices !
The numbers needed for different ethnicities vary significantly. As I pointed out in the video, a student would need much higher GPA and MCAT as an Asian. Other populations matriculate with significantly lower average GPA and MCAT. Official AAMC data
@@MedSchoolInsiders Thank you for your response. Sorry I am just stating what I have seen around me and in my own life. I guess when you have enough people (power) you are able to detect a difference when one actually exist !
@@FacundoMD Hi! I saw your video about your journey to become a doctor, and it was very moving and inspirational! I am an immigrant myself and hopefully I will be able to pursue my dream of becoming a doc too :) you are proof that it is not impossible or too late🤩
@@mke_gal HEY ;) Thank you so happy to hear that ! Yes I really think if you work hard you take the right steps you sacrifice little things here and there it can come true ! And never too late one of my co-residents is 45 and had a super career before but he wanted something more !
Thank you for following : )
Using this video to help me apply for residency
Just keep in mind that residencies and med schools have different priorities and processes!
@@saralee8996 he’s joking obviously
@@saralee8996 I agree, but the last point he made about crafting a narrative holds up very well.
I needed this!! Thanks MSI
This has actually given me more confidence in my application, because I was really worried for my low gpa and mcat scores
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today."
Martin Luther King Jr.
Could you do a video for residency applications? Especially for students that don’t like research 🤐
Hey! Could you do a video about the best and worst lifestyles ranked by surgical specialty? Would be very informative!
I’m interested in primary care and underserved areas, so hopefully that will work in my favor. Also, I’m not surprised adcoms check social media, which isn’t an issue as I don’t use it. The narrative based application supports my advisor’s (who was in her school’s adcom) advice to have a compelling story, as that helped her get in with low stats. While GPA and MCAT are important, DO schools are more likely to consider other factors.
Tho, it is more likely you would be the schools first pick applicant if you have a higher, GPA or MCAT and would you get a full ride scholarship.
I will apply and I will get in!!!
When it comes to rural students and a desire to bring medicine to underserved communities, that's genuinely exactly what I want to do. I grew up in the middle of nowhere, graduated with a class of 59, and I think the local communities near where I went to high school really need a local family medicine practice. So it's great that I can get some favor, but it sucks that people are using that to gain points on their application when they don't have any interest in actually doing it.
As someone who do have a strong interest in being a family doctor and do have a strong intention in practicing and serving in this cozy town, how can I effectively demonstrate that I’m not trying to manipulate it?
By having your AMCAS experiences reflect an interest in primary care or rural medicine (shadowing in primary care or rural areas) or working with people in rural backgrounds. Do research projects focusing on public health or primary care related issues. If you do genomics research and only shadowed specialists and then say that you are interested in primary care and working in underserved areas... don't expect that to work.
I love watching this even tho I’m a psych and marketing major
If anyone in the comments happens to know: Does practicing in a rural/underserved area generally result in higher/lower/same pay rate, on average?
I think a lot less than other specialities, this is why many schools are reducing or eliminating tuition for students interested in primary care (i.e Kaiser and NYU)
Being a GP is one of the lowest paid doctors, but practicing in rural areas actually tends to pay more. The issue is there is a medical specialty called rural medicine. You basically have to be every kind of doctor rolled into one, so you can help all types of issues and an emergency with the closets hospital being 2-3 hours away. Also, most people don’t want to live in such remote locations.
For emergency medicine (and many others), underserved areas definitely pay more. We call it "geographic arbitrage" - the lower the cost of living, likely the higher the compensation. Wacky but true.
Rural primary care doctors can make a lot of money since you are the only doctor around for miles
Love how he spent so much time depicting trying to acknowledge the value of underrepresented minorities but downplayed the influence of parents and families who exert professional/personal/financial influence, which is far more common.
But why should a person of a different race be given preference?
@@thepapillonwarrior1159 it’s not that they should be given preference, it’s that the diversity of perspective and life experience should be valued, as well as the work of individuals who had to overcome disproportionately high barriers.
@@brittgayle467so… basically they should be given different preference
@@TheIsaacHour Until the healthcare system addresses biased and racist healthcare practices like denying black women pain management, then yes, certain minority groups more experienced with that patient population should receive preference.
So I have a narrative but that story implies being honest that i didn't always want to be a doctor. I dabbled in law and got my degree in Mech E but now I'm committed to medicine. Can i portray this story in applications without seeming diffident and flippant with my career choices??
Yes
There's actually a girl in my med school who has a wholeass degree in MTech, worked for 1yr & then realised that med was her true calling. If you can portray why you feel med is a good fit & law wasn't- I think that'll be good enough !
@@Rittika19 I'd love to hear her reasons and learn how she leveraged engineering as a path to med school and more importantly how her application was received and whether MechE was an edge or a detriment. You didn't have to respond but thank you so much for sharing. I have found less than half a handful of people who have done it, so any encouragement is appreciated.
@@ahmedkunbargi8096 She wasn't as happy as she expected to be in her career even though she had a great salary etc. Her brother was 1st yr med student around that time & seeing his books & listening abt mbbs from him really made her feel interested & excited so she prepared for the exams & cleared it. She is the oldest in our batch ofc (currently is 26 while we all 20-22)but she is super determined & that's all that matters. Don't be discouraged, instead use your past as an asset! Unfortunately I don't know her personally enough to brief you on the admission details. But once in med school, it was lil challenging for her to fit in initially, lots of gossips & jokes etc but when she aced 1st yr- she pretty much shut it all down. Hopefully you get some solid guidance from ppl in your situation! I personally think it's Badass to get up & leave when uk it's not for you & that, it's an asset ! All the best!
That "yawn" at 6:00 had my dying😂😂😂
Thank you for this valuable insight. 😊
I know I don’t have all the check mark for the application like clinical volunteering & research. But as someone who never had a car, jobs weren’t paying too well & couldn’t ask my mom to take me everywhere. It’s hard trying to complete everything my cousins told me to do
I dunno man I'm in college and currently paying for my car
I'm submitting my application this weekend. Thanks for the all the help!
Good luck!
Good luck !
Good luck! You got this!
How did you do? Did you get in?
One of the most important traits in a physician is temperament, but how to evaluate that in this current admissions process?
Definitely bookmarking this video for later!
I'm a premed that is also a model and I use social media for my work, what is considered "unprofessional"?
I have this same question
I imagine since it comes down to the personal opinion of the auditor, if you ask “would any individual find this inappropriate”, and the answer is yes. Then I imagine a med school interviewer would.
Gurl let me tell you something! Think this way, and you’ll become a depressed doctor in 10 years-time. You have to please them now and when you’re in, RESUME LIVING YOUR THING because you would basically GIVE THEM THE RIGHT TO LIMIT YOU, to tell you that “you’re not enough”. Don’t listen to the other advice you got
ooh girl follow America Revere on youtube or on instagram. She just got into surgical residency and uses social media alot
I think our society is moving in a good direction about this, and more and more medical/educational administrators are taking over who don't care to perpetuate body shaming et cetera. The medical communicator trend online is to call out that nonsense for the puritanical regression that it is.
Residency application deal breakers next? 👀
The American Medical Association wants to deconstruct the “meritocracy” of medical schools. Does that mean new doctors won’t have to meet any standardized tests and will get pushed through school based on other factors instead of objective merit? Should be interesting when surgical outcomes are measured in a few years….
Absolutely. That's why step 1 was made pass/fail. The psychologists paper pushers that chose doctors are putting patients last.
@@sebucwerd Step 1 was made pass/fail because it's being used outside its scope. The 95% confidence interval is about 25 points, which means there's no significant difference between someone getting a 230 and a 250. Yet clearly that's not how residency directors are using those scores
The average step 1 score has risen by 10 points over the last ten years alone because of how high-stakes this one exam has become. At some schools, the average has risen almost 20 points in the last ten years. Most practicing attendings went to school at a time where step 1 scores were significantly lower, yet they aren't worse clinicians
What really matters is weather or not they can practice medicine safely once they have completed residency. In other words: Has the person met or exceeded the standard becoming qualified to practice medicine on their own?
@@terracebrooks320 Expect those standards to fall.
@@Hh-bs5px Also, step 1 isn’t even the most clinically relevant exam.
Gaming the system. If that is the ONLY thing you learn in med school, your career will flourish beyond retirement.
I understand y ppl say it’s too subjective but gpa and mcat only judgement would create such bad doctors
I have a question..how do I find my passion?? Like who I want to be?
Try many things. It’ll come to you. It takes time.
Watch his videos and see which one interest you
Super helpful, as always
Well I’ll have a hell of a story to tell once I apply to med school currently only in the 10th grade going to 11 next fall semester but my mom is in a wheelchair has been since I was three , my dad is in and out of my life and we don’t have the best living situation plus way more stuff
PLEASE please do : So you want to be a physiatrist!!! 💛
There is one!!
I'm already in medical school and this video gives me PTSD.
Hi dr. J! Can you please tell more about your nutrition advice? I eat different foods just trying to stay healthy throughout life. Any advice would help! Thanks !
This video was a bit of a rip off of Sr Gray. Mainly because it's not about racial preferences or gaming the system, it is about who you are, the transferable skills you have, and whether you'll have the grit, integrity, and care to be an asset to the medical community.
You can teach anyone the maths and Sciences but the reason why rural and underrepresented communities continue to suffer disproportionately in health outcomes, that's because these physicians who are not from those communities do not know how to treat these communities. The doctors don't treat them like family, they don't take the time to build trust, they don't give the extra care in order to understand how pathologies are different and access may be different.
In order to make healthcare more equitable we need less robotic physicians and more empathic, dedicated and diverse physicians. Stats will only take you so far if you don't have a genuine *why medicine*
Doctors are not family members, they're professionals of treating human disease. Believe it or not, white doctors can prescribe statins for black patients too.
@@sebucwerd You're missing the entire point. Not truly caring about your patient and the community you work in will have horrible effects for patients. Academics is a small part of what makes a great doctor hence why more and more schools are becoming holistic. I won't even get into the medical racism that exist due to these shitty doctors. If an individual think stats is all it should take for someone to get into medical school, I pray they aren't applying. That's scary.
@@sebucwerd it’s not that white physicians can’t. It’s been shown over and over that there are several discrepancies in care between white and black patients. Hence why diversity in physicians is extremely important.
@@sebucwerd You completely missed the point. It’s basic understanding that you’re likely to care more for communities that you are from. There are communities that have less trust than others in the healthcare system and physicians acting like Robots will not fix that. Just because patients are not family does not mean you cannot give them the basic decency of treating them like they are.
Thank you! His thinly veiled racism is disgusting.
Idk if this is an unpopular opinion, but I feel that it would be in the best interest of schools to select their matriculation based purely on merit, not on racial/ethnic identity. Lemme be clear tho, I absolutely understand and agree with the fact that African Americans, Latin/Hispanic Americans, Native Americans, etc are underrepresented in medicine and that really hurts our healthcare system's ability to interact with and support our communities. However, titrating your matriculant population to match the desire for a diverse physician population at the expense of quality seems like the wrong way to handle it.
If we really want underrepresented ethnicities and races to be proportionally represented, I feel like the compensation needs to take place at a more grassroots level, like offering additional educational support to minority families in grade school and undergrad years. Minorities are disadvantaged socioeconomically, meaning they don't have access to private education, tutors and preparatory programs like TPR, Kaplan, etc. like people from wealthier communities. If they could get more of the same opportunities, I feel that purely merit-based selection criteria would yield matriculant populations more representative of our society.
Your comment assumes these types of students cannot achieve merit, but URM can be very bright as well and can have GPAs higher than whites and “ORM.” Race matters because URM are most likely to work with underrepresented populations who need to be healthy too (Racism happens against these populations even still). URM will most likely also take the lower paying medical jobs that work with populations who need medicaid or medicare, because many come from disadvantaged backgrounds in the social and economic context too. There are a lot of minorities who distrust healthcare professionals because of the dark history it has with them. In the U.S., Native Americans, former slaves, and even African Americans generations later were used in heinous experimentation practices for “clinical “ research similar and maybe worse than those used by Nazis, to develop many of the treatment and surgeries people obsess over. Traces of eugenics still pervades in medicine and other parts of academia. Having more people from different experiences and backgrounds who truly care about the population they serve and have an honest commitment and experience with that population, will help bring that trust back.
@@chelseaa7516 I don't think you understood my point exactly...I'm not disagreeing with you regarding the existence of systemic racism. Also, I never implied that URM are not bright people. I only pointed out that URMs lack equal opportunity and resources because of how America's past has disenfranchised them, and that medical schools are trying to make up for the difference by lowering standards for certain ethnic groups at the expense of others.
@@maximumovermuslim6337 URM are hardly applying to medical school and make less than 5% of doctors. What expense? Standards for medical schools are specific to schools, and they are high regardless for many schools. If a school "lowers" their standards for another candidate, you should have hard evidence. That is still an assumption.
@@chelseaa7516 ma'am we are in the youtube comment section. How am I supposed to provide hard evidence for anything lol
@@maximumovermuslim6337FANTASTIC (insert sarcasm), you just stated you made a hard claim without any real evidence. If you knew you could not provide any, why would you make that claim in the first place? Rather than write pointless statements that are going to make you and others mad because of their baselessness, do your research and enlighten yourself. Otherwise, you risk becoming an angry person pointing your anger at a group of people who has done nothing to you or against you. Pick any medical school of your choosing and ask your questions on admissions to THEM specifically. You may be surprised on the numbers.
All communities need to be represented fairly the same way the electoral college elects the president. No race or ethnicity is given special privileges, so stop playing the race card. There has to be a fraction representing the diverse ethnicities out there from the pool of applicants. All applicants require very high scores to be selected. For every 20, 1 has to represent a certain group in the community.
Can you please make a video of so you want to be oncology with fellowships version pleaseeeeeee
is there a residency application dealbreaker? (and something about personal statements n CV?)
That seems like an annoying and biased way of entering a university. Where i live its all based on tests. We do 2 tests, those who pass the first test are allowed to take the second one and the top 120 students on that test are accepted in medschool. More simple and fair.
You literally commented this same thing on another one of the videos of this channel. No one cares
What if I have my fitness page public, is that bad? I post pics of my gains. Nothing bad just my gains
Thanks for this helpful video
Great video! Can you please do a video about being a dentist?
So if you are applying to an in-state but do not want to pursue family or rural medicine, it might be a good thing to imply that you do? I would rather be genuine about my interests... Just hope I can detail them well enough in the personal statement
You should definitely be genuine. You do not want to be accepted into a program that emphasizes rural/underserved medicine and ofc you have no interest in it. You will not be satisfied because you will be completing rotations in underserved/rural hospitals and clinics.
@@destiny.shantelle yeah, I agree, I think some people might feel compelled to do that though if they aren’t super competitive applicants and feel that their chances are higher in-state even if the program doesn’t match their interests too well
@@mke_gal yeah. That sucks though. Usually adcoms will see right through it. I know someone who participates in giving interviews at an HBCU medical school and he told me that a lot of times, he can see right through people who only applied to the HBCU medical schools as a “safety school”. If you did not come from an rural/underserved area or even did not participate in activities that help or gave you exposure to those communities, it will be pretty obvious tbh
@@destiny.shantelle that’s a good point!! Applicants need to be strategic when selecting their list of schools...
@@mke_gal definitely! Im applying this year and i had to be real with myself with some schools and take them off of my list because of the mission statement. The good thing about medical school is that there are a lot of programs to choose from
If you're a US citizen !!
Can i get 200k plus loan if i already have overseas bachelor deg and I'm applying to dental school for the first 1 year in US with only a Visa?
Have you ever helped anyone get into USUHS (military med school)?
Differences between associates in health science and bachelor's in health science....I have to choose between the two, I'm currently in A level and don't know which to pick or start
would that not just be a two year degree vs four year degree? I think a four year degree is required in the US. Not sure how things are different in Europe, but if you know for sure (for super sure) you want to do medicine I would say choose the shorter degree if it's available, since its a stepping stone anyway. If you feel you need to live a little more life first/are unsure about med school, do the longer one!
@@kennedy8790 thankyou so much✨
Oh I’m set for rural primary care then.
Pls make videos on physiotherapy
Would you fire someone if they did adderall on camera?
MS3 and have my shelf exam this week, why am I watching this 😂
Could you make the same video but for residency applications and include info for IMGs?
hi where dyou edit a video like thisss?
thank you
Thanks.
Wanna confess. the more difficult I understand medicine is, the more love I get for it.
I wish to study medicine. I love psychiatry.
That’s great. Wish you luck!!
Is majoring in biomedical engineering okay if I want to go to medical school?
Yes
@@Noodlebird38 thanks for replying 😊🤘
@@brownbiscuit4254 My recommendation is to major in biomedical engineering if you prefer the wonders of innovation and designing new products that would be used in medicine, in contrast to being a physician who interacts with patients and performs the procedures. Of course, there are people who major in biomedical engineering and become physicians. It’s not an uncommon path. Honestly medical schools don’t care too much at all about your major as long as you satisfied the pre-requisite courses. Heck, some people major in music and are accepted into medical school. Just focus more on maintaining a high GPA and participate in extracurricular activities and clubs, and take the pre-requisites!!
About 1/3 of the bme majors at my school were premed. Just be aware that med school has waaay more memorization than bme, so that's a bit of a transition.
You can literally major in anything and go to med school. I’ve heard of music majors going to med school.
This man keeps it a 1000
Hello, Can this apply to UK medical schools?
Love your vids
@@itzelr3514 that's not true of East Asian countries like Japan and South Korea. High schoolers go directly into med school by passing an entrance exam, which is offered once a year.
@@itzelr3514 My point was that the entrance exam is all that matters, not the personal statement or even GPA. Admission is not a holistic view of an applicant, as you're describing.
Nope
I would refrain from talking about mental illness too. I'm super passionate about it and have overcome it too. I have a strong application but the feedback I got was that my personal essay was the thing holding me back. message me if you want advice on what to do but you feel mental health is something you're passionate about or have experienced.
omg would you be willing to actually talk to me about this?👀 I am a non traditional applicant. graduated in May 2019 w/ my BS in Biochemistry and I will be applying for the first time this upcoming cycle in June. I’ve dealt with a TON of anxiety and subsequent depression (they seem to work in tandem) around the MCAT. I think my resilience in the mental health department is the greatest testament to my dedication to medical school if I’m being honest. It’s been the source of all the anxiety and yet I haven’t given up. I’m wondering if there’s ANY way to put this topic in a positive light and not have it always looked at as a weakness. what have you done? have you been accepted? if so, did you have to remove that part of yourself from your application completely in order for it to happen? I’m so incredibly interested in this!!!
I need help 😞
Can you make a video about biomedical engineering
Aaahhh you finessed me 😂
So strangely enough me not caring ab helping people could benefit me in my Medical school application process?😂 Bc i really dont, i just want to gain as much knowledge from the field as i can and am fascinated by the human brain.
Yeah, you're looking for a masters or PhD program. Like with acting, you should only go into medicine if you cannot imagine doing anything else. The grind isn't worth it otherwise.
Edit: spelling
Can I still be a good surgeon if I have a mild stutter?
Yes
Can you do Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation?
He already did
so like any college degree?
Please talk about ‘ so you wanna be a dentist’
Im a nurse at residency run primary care clinic. Roughly 90% of the residents don't want to do primary care once they're with their residency. It's either a hospitalist or specialty like cardiology which is currently very popular.
Hi can you please make a video focusing on fmgs. Abt usmle,electives and match
I have some questions
Just commenting for the algorithm 🤍
They'll get your money either way.
wait what were the dealbreakers
Me applying as a white male... so unfortunate.
So the admission committee is made up of horses???
Hahaha I dont even have a social media.
Yea keep making admission to med school difficult, meanwhile nurse practitioners will take over us health care
Race should have nothing to do with admissions, the best people should be chosen
EXACTLY
There are a lot of communities where a doctor who understands the specific culture is much more effective. Sometimes that means someone who grew up in that culture, and sometimes that means someone who looks like most of the people in that community.
I do not think you wanted your thumbnail for this video to show "dealbreakers" and "race." What that communicates is misleading.
Well, he's not wrong
hmmm
Do the "So you want to become A PEDIATRIC SURGEON" plssss
The number of commenters in some premed RUclips videos that claim 'yield protection' is hilarious. No, a high GPA/MCAT will never hurt you.
In my opinion race should not be a factor in college and med school admissions. After all, we are looking to create the best doctors who will save peoples' lives, it shouldn't matter whether you are white, black, asian, mixed, or purple. What this instead does is bring in unqualified people of some races and rejects qualified applicants of other races.
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I’m glad they got rid of racist affirmative action in higher education. There is no place for it here.
first! 🥇
Solution: ignore social backgrounds. You're welcome.
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I would have to disagree. It isn’t that simple.
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