The Vark Just Got a MASSIVE Nerf | F-111A War Thunder
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2024
- The F-111 Aardvark just got nerfed. Hard. I'm surprised it took this long but the thing feels REALLY bad to fly now haha.
00:00 Intro
00:35 Flight Performance
04:58 Weaponry
05:48 Bombing Bases
06:19 MAWS (Missile Warning)
07:23 Future Nerfs
08:13 New Outro!
• Fights On - Summer Ski...
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once again gaijin has shown BLATANT DISREGARD for not only american players but US BOMBER MAINS who just want to have a good time bombing enemy bases and installations and yet TANKERS and RUSSIANS have NERFED OUR ABILITY TO perform our DUTY into the FUCKING GROUND
oswald the lucky rabbit meet oswald the cringe rabbit, if russians had their planes oswalds nerfed the ENTIRE community would be up in arms for a week meanwhile a guy named mig-23 (totally not sus) NERFS a finally good american bomber from a youtube video that's complete bs.
we need to have the same community reaction as the tankers did over the abraham's lining. lets call it the silver lining to the f-111 change to FINALLY get american planes unnerfed like the f-16, f-15, f-14 that have been nerfed over and over, and revert the constant buffs the su-27, mig-29, and gripen are getting
the fact that there isn't a SINGLE thread about the f-111 up right now is a DISGRACE and is honestly kind of off putting to how many russian mains and tankers there are in this community
SO TRUE!!!!!!!!!!
btw that bug reporter "MIG-23M" is the one who manages to get most nato planes nerfed with contradicting sources. For some reason almost everything he says is believed instantly and almost without doubt by gaijibbles moderators. it's like he wakes up every day to look up random sources to get nato shit nerfed
Just get good man, there are so many wrong things on your comment i cant even start.
So much cope on this comment its actually unbelievable
Pin of shame lol
Two cases in one month of a plane being left overperforming for people to GE rush it, followed by a nerf not long after. Wild
I guess gaijin can’t make money in any legit way I suppose. They literally manipulate the value of things which is crazy.
@@mightyzuistypical Russians
Frustrating
They do that to a lot of things, which sucks a lot
Honestly, i've never spent GE to rush a plane because of this, this game is a shitshow of things under and overperforming, only thing worth to buy are premiums and talismans
Release aircraft -> Make it overpreform ->Make money -> Nerf -> Release aircraft -> and you know the rest
I'd say that Gaijin should see a huge issue with their gameplay that people absolutely do not want/cannot invest the time to grind this high tier stuff and GE rush everything. But, of course that's how they make their money. So no pride in their work I guess, just chasing the Benjamins.
Tbh it was like barely over performing, it was perfect were it was imo
Gajin Classic.
Gaijan saw that people were actually enjoying a strike fighter and couldn't allow that
I mean it was hella op
B-34 remains the best strike fighter in the game.
@@justablackdude366 Hella op? It's got fucking AIM 9B at 10.3, the same BR the A10 and su25 get all aspects. Besides it's got like 25 flares if you bring mixed
@@t0k4m4k7 did you ever try to chase a running f-111A pre nerf?
@@justablackdude366 that was the whole fkin point.
I think you forgot to mention that it also had its engine thrust reduced by like 15-20% on top of all the other nerfs. So while carrying a regular bomb load you now aren't going much above mach anymore. No longer even close to the 1.12 or so it would it before reaching a base. They absolutely gutted this plane. I don't care about its fighting performance much, but it can no longer even excel at its intended roll. If more realistic that's good, I just wish they'd have introduced it with the proper FM right away. I was about to buy a talisman for it. Thank god I didn't. R.I.P. all the fun times I had with this plane.
Can't bomb bases in the F-111, all the F-4s beat you there with the drag nerf
it's quite sad really.
Another reason to rework the base system, it's even worse for subsonics
I wouldnt use the vark in RB,but its good in sim... i love bullying Su25's and bomb 3 base at once while being able for wing sweeping
@@patriktoth6258 It was goated in RB. Ive been gridning the 40k score in like 7-10 games. Now with the nerf I cant even get to the bases anymore. Totally killed the plane.
tbh as someone with a Premium F-4 i'm kinda happy when others cant reach the base xD
The F-111 was honestly very frustrating, I wanted a extremely fast interdiction strike aircraft upon release and instead we got this weird goofy FM that allowed it to be used as a fighter, now it can’t even perform well in it’s intended role since the acceleration and top speed with bombs on board is so terrible due to the nerfs
And dont forget the Shit respawn time for bases
i think the main nerf is to its top speed; the drag changes reduced its top speed by about 100 km/h. It's still very fast of course, it's just not the fastest anymore, and with its poor acceleration, it's easy for other planes to get close enough to you to launch missiles at you.
And the moment you so much as think about changing direction, they're catching you again.
The main nerf was sustained turn rate and energy retention for sure, you turn and rate like a phantom that accelerates slower
Its soooooo fucking slow. Agreed.
i used to do an easy mach 1.10 with 24 mk82's, now it barely gets up to 1.04/5 with that load- i no longer have the speed
I always thought that the f-111 turned a bit too well ,but I do think it should have slightly better energy retention, and I think the low speed energy retention was fine, it was just turning a bit too much
Yep, prior it could literally fight with fighters in extended fights, which just didn't feel right for me and I suspected they were waiting for people to GE grind it. I thought the speed and ER was alright but it shouldn't have been able to snap turn and have guns on as fast as it did.
i mean, it was designed to be a fighter...@@stoneee1234
Thanks for the info lee! I never play these types of planes but it's always good to know what they can do. Great video!
I like bananas.
M O N K E Y ? ? ?
I'm more of a pineapple guy myself
Exactly @@GeneralLee2000
I like femboys, i need help :(
@@Ze_ninguem07it’s ok you can still get help. We were all there at some point.
cant use the aardvark as a heavy fighter, 😭 ending it all
So sad, Alexa, play despacito
So when gaijin added the F-111 they said they would consider giving it its Aim-9Js depending on its performance.
With both this nerf and the possible future one do you think there is a chance it gets Aim-9Js to compensate?
It needs the 9js now, accelerates slow as hell even with no pylons and bombs and now it cant even turn for longer then 1 second
And stay at this BR? No. I think AIM-9Es are very possible though. Even with the poor flight performance I don't see 6 9Js at 10.3 on a platform with flares.
LMFAO not at 10.3 ffs. this thing getting upward of 8 9js means 11.0
@@jg14gerhard_bar i'd say just just limit it to two 9js and put it a 10.7 like the f5a/f5e
@@jg14gerhard_bar And get wrung out by F4E by all metrics except amount of short range IR missiles.
I had just unlocked this aircraft 2 days ago and got to get like 23 games on the old flight model playing it like a heavy fighter, couple aces and 1 7k game, then they nerfed it. I'm a little bummed but I'll play around it as long as its realistic, we'll see if the missle kit gets an upgrade. Thanks for bringing the actual performance of the nerf to life, so it's not just me gaslighting myself Lee.
This thing was never supposed be able to 1v1 fighters. It basically has the same engines as the Phantom but it's literally twice the size and weight of it. It's a supersonic bomber made to reach a bomb point fast, nothing more.
and now it can't even do that anymore.
@@MarkDrisch why? they only nerfed it’s turning and energy retention, you can still zoom to bases…
@@kerotomas1engine thrust got nerfed too I heard.
same engines as the tomcat, but whatever
@@Jacksonflax whatever indeed
good job new outro is good
I just want to see a F-111 event vehicle that’s carry’s Aim-54. Since they were going to add Aim-54 to the F-111 but got replaced by the F-14.
I never got to experience the pre-nerf vark, but I've really been enjoying it ever since i got it. Stealth belts are hilarious with that much ammo. The flares are few, but chonky. I'm just starting to learn manual wing sweep controls and playing with my 11.3 BR friends. My main gripe is the restrictions on wing sweep with things like gunpods on the inner 2 rotating pylons. I tested it in a solo mission and you can force a sweep, but it doesnt work in multiplayer... I tried to find info on it in the manual, but couldnt find anything related to gunpods restricting sweep. Also apparently you could put drop tanks on any of the three inner pylons irl? Those would be nice updates.
I’ve been playing SIM a lot recently and it’s honestly been an absolute blast, so fun especially when you get into dogfights. (Why am I not surprised the outro is a F15…nevertheless still a good outro)
I have the F4E,F111,F8E/A10ALate,A7-D in my sim line-up. I love all of the,but the vark is a speed bomber only due to the missing IFF
The first plane you actually recommend just bombing with... Lee the type of person to dogfight in a B-52 xD
I love how people are pretneding to be suprised xD
Lee thoughts on f-15j not receiving hmd like it should since it’s basically a f-15c?
We have a pre-MSIP F-15J, we'll grt HMD when we get a later one
they shold just add the F-111F with the AIM-9P's and the other guided munition to make up for performance loss
I was in one of the last games in this vid It was cool to see you again but very scary
so with this nerf what is their justification for not giving this thing aim-9P's or even just E's
i keep ripping the wings in a lvl flight without WEP now
W outro
Still turns better than a Tornado
I can understand that having such a large wingspan and so much lift would give it the ability to turn well, but there was no way that it would be turning any better than a Tornado, MiG-23 or an F-14, so I don't think the change is unreasonable.
F111 was completely a BS before the nerf. Funny people didn't cry USA bias, just imagine if it was a soviet jet, lol.
@@yoshimitsu1260
i agree it shouldn't turn that great, but i didnt use it for PVP, i used it for base bombing and running back to airfield to rearm and do it again, it was a nerf to that as well.
it's really annoying when you just want to bomb, and don't have anything to outrun the mig21's that chase you across the map because they know you can't fight them, and the f111 was the only thing the US had that could bomb and get away from those players. but now they killed the speed too.
can't even get to a base to bomb it first now, kind of upsetting when you realize that they increased the base respawn timer from 30 seconds to 3 minutes because of the f111, and now the plane is pretty much useless.. we all suffered from that base respawn timer increase over that plane, that was some deep gaijin manipulation bullshit to rollback the good grinding changes they made over the review bombs, and it's only gonna keep happening
@@thelagbros7675 That's the pain every bomber of every nation has to go through, F111 shouldn't be any different. I was getting multiple bases with that bomber while also getting more than 2 kills per game and that was so BS.
I think the nerf is perfectly ok, since its performance were also so much unrealistic in comparison to its real life capabilities, but i also think they have to change something to make EVERY bomber in the game playable.
@@yoshimitsu1260 i mean yeah that's fine if all other strike aircraft are the same way, but if they're trying to balance it like that then they never should have even added the R27ER. gaijin has a shady way of doing shit
@@thelagbros7675 Please bro.
People complaining about soviets jets 99.9% of times are US mains (fanboys), maining just US and actually have never used soviets/russians jets.
As someone maining both of them (and not being a fanboy 'cause i honestly don't give a flying F), everybody crying about R60, or R60M or R73, or R27ER are people with actually skill issues.
They just don't know what they are talking about.
R60 and R60M are basically worse in every way than US equivalents we have in the game 'cause if there is a single flare in the whole map no matter if you are firing these missiles at 0.5km of distance from your enemy, these missiles will go to eat that single flare 5km far away;
R73 are better than R60M but still EASY counterable too;
R27ER are harder to notch or evade, but it isn't impossible at all; problem with these missiles is the number of them in a single match due to the fact that now we have Su27s which can carry a lot of them while also having TOO many players in a match; things get slightly better in 131x131 maps, but they'd be better in bigger maps (maybe if they'll add something like 250x250). So here as you can understand the problem isn't Su27 or F15 or whatever jet they'll add or whatever missiles they'll add, problems are the maps. Every missiles (damn even AIM-260 or R37M) can be balanced if we're playing in the right map with the right number of players.
R27ER is now of course on paper the best missile in the game hands down, problem is that Mig29 and Su27 radars are trash (to the point i though it wasn't intended to be that bad and though it was bugged) in comparison to the radars NATO jets have in the game, which means that soviets/russian jets can't really use R27ER to their full potential.
How do you see full names of planes for example a-10a(late) etc
Took me a while to recognise u in that match😂
doesn't adjusting wings yourself make it way better ? i do it on 23mld bcs everytime you turn the deployed wings burn energy wayyyy to fast when i dont need to have them fully deployed and take way too much time to deploy when i actualy need them
I had the wings forward lol, it helps a bit but it's still terrible now
Love how gaijin nerfs aircraft that never carry games but ignore others breaking the game.
When it got added to the game I was hoping it’d be like an F-105 just with flares and more bombs. The non existent energy retention makes it pointless to play at this point.
Fire ass outro but I kinda miss the old song lmao
This is the same company that thinks the subsonic A-6 TRAM should be given an airfield spawn at 10.3 BR. So that you literally can't even make it halfway to the bombing areas before someone makes a beeline from 6000 feet (why am I even easily visible in the first place?) all the way down to you at ground level to gank you.
I dogfighted a j-7e post nerf and won just today, idk if it was the plane or the pilot
eh, I like it, it makes a perfect target for my gunless FG1 runs, bonk goes the skyflash
Dunno why this just popped up in recommended despite this nerf happening months ago but I still love the Aardvark, really my only complaint is that (despite photographic proof) this thing still only has AIM-9Bs despite later versions getting AIM-9Ls. This could AT LEAST get AIM-9Es or 9Js and the fact that the bomb bay sidewiders being in the wrong slot so we can't carry internal AIM-9s and a gun. Oh, and that we can't jettison the outer pylons to allow for wing sweep after we drop those bombs.
take a drink everytime he says surprise.
For A2A stuff the 111A can be given 9E's (should've had them from the start) or 9J's (it carried them in mid 1970s). But I think they need to start bringing in more advanced 111s, would love to see an 80s 111E (with 9Ls and more guided weapons) and a 90s 111F (basically the direct predecessor of the Strike Eagle)
YEEESSSSUHHHHH NEW OUTRO GO BRRRRR
Glad you like it!
I’ve noticed they’ve turned air sim battles off, is this because of the event?
still handles better than all the tornados
What are your settings on the M61?
the old outro is gone! how will I cope?
oh wait the new one is just as good LUL
Eyyyyy, thanks man :)
Great video Lee! By the way I’m curious: What’s your favorite 10.3 plane in War Thunder?
Thanks man! I'd have to say the F-8E personally
Very nice! I love the F-8E too! It’s just that I’m stock with it and I’m very addicted to top tier😂
You can't tell me it was fine pre-nerf. On update day, the F111 could outrate an F-5E in a sustained turnfight.
It's still possible, just harder to do.
finally the vark flies as the brick it was in real life!
So they nerf the only pro this aircraft had which was speed… So now’s it’s the biggest slowest thing at 10.7 with aim-b. Meanwhile the Su-25 is 9.7 with all way IR missles
Bro's either been living under a rock for a year or doesn't know how numbers work.
10.3 but yeah, the top end speed nerf really is what killed it for me. No longer making it to a base before a F-4 with its rockets does.
Eeyyy! Outro a little later than expected but still here baby!
Sorry, I had a hard time making it lol
@@GeneralLee2000 nothing to apologize about, it was around Christmas and I’m sure you had stuff going on
They should just give it it's AIM-9J
At least it would be an okay missile bus
I love gaijin saying “we are going for realism” than adding enough drag to where the plane now flies not even close to jts irl speed at altitude
cope
@@ONranger not cope, he's right
@@ONrangerMouth breather
You say the speed bleed is a massive issue, yet I haven’t once seen you use the manual wing sweep to keep your energy. It’s extremely effective at letting you keep some extra speed, and when pulling horizontal turns you loose significantly less speed. You can have your wings out really far even above Mach, suggest giving it a try.
What is this comment bro
@@dutchdragon2472 back then before the vark nerf and slightly still after, the vark could hold energy extremely well if you used manual wing sweep control. You can keep your wings out extremely far even at high speeds in this thing.
Of course typical fighter mains will complain about bombers not being good as fighters. YOU NEED TO PLAY IT LIKE A BOMBER. First it was the Tornado and now this. You're just like that perennial guy when the Tornado came out. Stay bad and coping ❤
BOMRUN BOMRUN
live harrier gr.7 fighter reaction:
The thing is a Real Aardvark is faster than any Phantom, originally the Aardvark started it's life as a US Navy Heavy Fleet Interceptor meaning it needs to be fast to intercept but it's massive size is what made the USN rejected it and so the Vark was transferred over to the USAF and started it's second life as a Supersonic Heavy Fighter-bomber.
You know I still manage to pull 12gs while fast, 6ish while slow. Speed still dumps like you wouldn't believe, though.
New record 4 A-A kills, and two bases. Its difficult to make work, but it will.
How do you get the missile launched warning?
It just does it since it has MAWS
RIP how to train your dragon outro
They should compensate it with the thermonuclear heatseeker missiles.
Howdy cowboy
Howdy partner!
You're a good pilot
Thanks!
No way!!! You have to use the bomber as a bomber now???!!!!
And bomb what shit? when you reach base for bomb is alredy destroyed...
Really hitting the US this month
Outro is awesome, maybe a little too loud.
No way, I'm not the only person who uses 5 aim9bs and 7 750s. People called me crazy for the asymmetrical load.
So basically it's a much faster Su-17 with a bigger bomb load now
yeah. f111 is way beter than any ussr bomber
even the Mig27 is faster than the su17
Never seen such hate for an aircraft in a poorly modeled video game
This is sad but I think I'm still going to force myself to adapt I love using this thing as a heavy fighter, treat it like a jet P-47
it's also not the best at bombing due to the f-105's ability to destroy a base with 2 3000ibs bombs and since it doesn't have a mach limit on drops you can just throw them at a base and run
Every bomb have a Speed limit，between 1.0 and 1.1
and they still havent given it the aim9js... -_-
JUST AS I WAS ON THE WAY TO GRIND IT 😭😭😭
Was in your match srry for attempting to chase you down
I always wondered why my jet fighter had trouble out turning these cancer wagen
Deserved, considering how the tornado handles, there was no fucking way the f111 turn rate was at all correct
Ill be waiting for the mig23 nerf
I can’t even out run from a F-5…
I liked the old outro with the HTTYD theme...
Haha, so did I but I thought it was time for a change. I may bring it back at some point :]
@@GeneralLee2000 Aye
Wish this thing got sparrows, the radar is really good
Crazy concept it’s a heavy bomber
Bomber that cant bomb a shit
and i've just started to grind this thing out, hoping to get some funny dogfights at higher tiers. oh fuck me man, i'm genuinely disappointed
this vid is just out right wrong, the best is not to dogfight but to boom and zoom, with the high speed it has and a good chunk of ammo you can literally be the best in the match. I have multiple matches with that being said.
@@beckCZ thats besides the point, it was a fun, even if off-meta, gunfighter, and now its a worse starfighter at a higher br
@@beckCZfrom what i see it cant boom and zoom, it just gose boom bc its slow 😂
Well... you're pratically saying that i can bring a B-17 into a dogfight at br 4.0 at this point. attack aircraft ISNT suposed to fight but to do cas missions and the Aim 9Bs are there for self defence
The VARK is definitely a bomber... not a fighter
So a dedicated strategic bomber dont turn so well and lose speed while manuver and is out-performed by DEDICATED FIGHTERS... gasp, shock, lightning crackle, lightning crackle... who could have guessed
You're better off taking this thing to sim now, you won't see too many tryhards in sim
compare to thetornado ids mfg at 11.00 with only dumbbombs and 2 aim9L its still decent
Also, they should let us jettison the outer pylons
How is Kfir Canard doing against this plane?😮
It rinses the F-111 lol
Impressive use of aim 9b! , I absolutely hate them, and Yes it’s a skill related issue for the most part , definitely lolz
I never did like this plane myself so nothing changes on my end. I hated the way it flew before this Nerf. I'm not even going to see firsthand how bad that big ass brick flies today. I always claimed the F105D was night and day better on f111a release so yeah. Avoid the Varkstration and avoid this plane
Vark Vark Vark
Beautiful outro, should have guessed you would make a new one once the eagle was added!
@@Joey_Liu wrong place lol, but thanks :)
Whyyyyyyyyy
Why only F-15A´s in outro. Thats not good. (in my opinion)
War thunder players when they find out a bomber cant dogfight well
Can't even use it as a bomber because every other plane is faster. It's only fast when it's empty which is useless for bombing
General you think pineapple belongs on pizza ?
Bruh i was just grinding for it, im 2/3 in
Typical gaijin mischief, always happened when i was about a quarter thousands away before unlocking the jet, then boom a big nerf 😡 the urge to sue gaijin is a bit high
F-111b?
A10 FTW
You would rather take an f105 ?? That thing does even have flares
I said I'd like to have one with flares, but even without, yeah probably. The FM is much better
@@GeneralLee2000 well I didn't hear "with flares" but without I do not think so. f105 only goes against all aspect missiles so good luck without flares
give us advark C and F (kinda hope for b) and i will have no problem.
This is a strike aircraft that also can carry missiles. Its not a fighter that can also carry bombs.
This change is good in my book. Remember that this first iteration of the 111 was known for having a bad thrust to weight ratio.
Quote from Pearl Harbor Aviation Museum referencing the improved(!) 111B:
"The underpowered and temperamental Pratt and Whitney F30 engine and the heavy weight of the F-111B made it completely unsuitable for carrier operation *and fighting interceptions*.
This thing was a brick. A very fast brick, but a brick nonetheless. So this video feels to me like more of a personal rant aka "they nerfed my favorite a/c", mixed with a bit of "[insert any nation but US] BIAS!!!1" - but what we all should focus on much more is historical accuracy.
Quote, you: "The flight performance in the 111 feels so bad now, that I think I should actually bomb bases now"
Yea lol as you should mate, this is your job in that plane, you're a fast A10, thats it really.
i guess you don't play the game , you can't bomb bases anymore because the thing is so slow every thing outrun me , f4e , j35,j7e ,f5e , and they all have bombs , meaning when a vark gets on the battlefield there is no base left
Surprise surprise, a jet that was OP and marketed by RUclipsrs, and then they nerf it.
I wonder how many people got ripped off grinding for this.