Stat acc is not about buffing TV size jumps in the slightest It's about plays with lower acc being too punished despite having high OD. This means that OD11 93 acc is higher acc than OD9 99 acc, but second gives much more pp. The problem is that fixing this makes many TV size jumps overweight That's why this rework still isn't merged. But I have a try fixing this balancing issue, so hopefully we can see this rework merged in not a very long time (after CSR)
Stream maps and speed maps should have more penalty for acc like SS should be worth same amount as it is right now, but acc drop should be nerfed to the point when 400pp stream map/speed map is worth for SS but 99% would give 300pp, that would fix all the speed,flow aim issues. Like on those maps you need to have good acc, comparing to jumps where there are no streams at all it is easier to make acc, so why would acc penalty works the same way between speed/stream maps and aim maps? I don't see point, even for me as a speed player. I think like combo scaling removal is good since why would you lose 100pp when you sliderbreak on nothing, but for those flow-aim speed maps etc that people complaing about acc nerf would be enough. Just code it like if there are many chains of spam >8notes+ just make it more PP punish if acc is dropped. Simple as that. You need to have good control fingers and good stability to make good acc on stream/speed maps, not like spamming keys in some parts because you can not keep up, that should not work like that and it gives you pp for 97% while you dropped like 1% acc on long chain of bursts and it nerfed pp by 30pp only... it should nerf way more, like 100pp.
In general - pablohh post was more of the about feedback problem. Not about some evil individuals manipulating pp direction to gain ranks. That's not true.
sorry if this comes out as bad, but I think you should talk a little slower, you talk so fast that you run out of air and I can always hear you breathing heavily before once again speaking which is kinda off-putting. love your vids tho so keep up the good work my man.
sorry if this comes out as bad, but I think you should talk a little slower, you talk so fast that you run out of air and I can always hear you breathing heavily before once again speaking which is kinda off-putting. love your vids tho so keep up the good work my man.
@@pechkurofff he's saying that he's HEAVILY breathing not just breathing, and that it could be caused by the speed of his speech. read the comment before answering it
Also, this "lower spaced faster streams being lower" is just an evaluator thing, and in real maps faster streams will be more pp. This is just paper-only flaw that can have unpredictable effect on balancing., About CS0 - you interpreted it completely false. Distance in pp measured not in pixels but in circles. So when you decrease CS - distance in circles shrinks. So jumps with distance 3 circles between objects will be the same pp in CS4 and CS0, despite CS4 one being closer pixel-wise. So please don't spread misinformation before researching some stuff. You can ask me or other people involved in pp before making video.
Why pp reworks never go through in 1 sentence: They focus on nerfing only after a high pp play is set. Why was no one complaining when sidetracked day was 2kpp and merami hit the hard part? Because no play 2kpp play was set. People only decide to apply reworks to nerf new high pp plays that show up in the game. Before that they stay as quiet as a rock and only a few talk about it being overweighted. Why did people only decide to nerf flow aim after akolibed popped off? Just nerf it based on how it should be instead of focusing on nerfing certain exact plays and we will reach something.
I still dont think that speed is "overweighted." The reason it seems that way is because people are simply getting better at speed and reaching new limits that no one 5 years ago thought would ever be possible. Causing them to set really high scores and even pp records.. Sidetracked day (DT) in my opinion is BARELY overweighted. Akoli's play should only be nerfed by 100 pp bringing it to 1611 instead of 15-whatever... Thoughts anyone?
yeah with the wooting and general improvement from the playerbase the speed skill cap just got higher. maybe it's slightly overweighted, maybe it's not, but we shouldn't nerf specific players plays. akoilibed's sd is at worst a 1.6k aim maybe got less map and speed got more map according to some people, and I think that's fair, but then the problem would be solved by ranking more aim maps and not buffing aim pp I think 2 things I want fix with pp, those are combo scaling removal and less meta skillset actually worthing something
@@givikap120 i can def agree that aim isnt weighted enough but i hate making that point as an aim one trick because no one really listens to you when you have bias to your own personal playstyle
Every popular online game doesn't try to balance the meta, but rather shift it - I don't see a huge problem with that. You can't really tell how fair the rework is because it's a technical thing - they code algorithms in a way they find doable
yeah the main issue is that devs are very incompetent and they don't even know what the game needs and as a result they accept changes that may seem ridiculous to others. they don't even play the game much and may not even know terms like 'alt map' like what can you expect from them? I play 7k and I know for a fact that mania is curated by people who don't even play it and they already ruined the mode in lazer and don't to listen to players who actually play the game and understand something (it's been a few months though, maybe they started doing something). good thing is that peppy said that he will support stable for as long as possible so hopefully mania players can enjoy stable for longer before being forced to switch to an inferior version of the game btw, the highest od in the official version of the game is 11.11
@@givikap120maybe there's a misunderstanding on who we mean by devs. I mean the ones that accept reworks made by players. people like peppy. and yes at some point peppy didn't even know what an alt map is, it's all in dev discord
@@7kenjoyer peppy isn't involved with reworks in a slightest The ones who're responsible for pp are pp committee It's: StanR, Apo11o (moonpoint) and tsunyoku
@@7kenjoyer they aren't improved, they always were like this First person who lead pp was tom94, with smoogi as bridge between pp dev and main team After tom94 retired - pp committee was formed, and they operate to this day Smoogi still involved in pp but mostly in the formal and related to the servers stuff
@@spwarkz8564no, i think nomod in some cases is harder. nomod is sometimes harder and hidden is sometimes harder, so it shouldnt have a difference really
Guys did akolibed akolibust on valley of the quandle 🥵
nah he akolibusted over the top on over the top
@@mangoee_ this is also true 🔥🙏
@@mangoee_ wrong he akolibusted over the top over the tip
@@warrenator7059wrong he akolibusted over the top of the tip on over the top over the tip
I busted too
You really should let yourself breath sometimes brother
@sirmeowsalot9314 HE'S MIN MAXING BREATHING
LMAOOOOO
breathe*
Stat acc is not about buffing TV size jumps in the slightest
It's about plays with lower acc being too punished despite having high OD.
This means that OD11 93 acc is higher acc than OD9 99 acc, but second gives much more pp.
The problem is that fixing this makes many TV size jumps overweight
That's why this rework still isn't merged.
But I have a try fixing this balancing issue, so hopefully we can see this rework merged in not a very long time (after CSR)
Stream maps and speed maps should have more penalty for acc like SS should be worth same amount as it is right now, but acc drop should be nerfed to the point when 400pp stream map/speed map is worth for SS but 99% would give 300pp, that would fix all the speed,flow aim issues. Like on those maps you need to have good acc, comparing to jumps where there are no streams at all it is easier to make acc, so why would acc penalty works the same way between speed/stream maps and aim maps? I don't see point, even for me as a speed player. I think like combo scaling removal is good since why would you lose 100pp when you sliderbreak on nothing, but for those flow-aim speed maps etc that people complaing about acc nerf would be enough. Just code it like if there are many chains of spam >8notes+ just make it more PP punish if acc is dropped. Simple as that. You need to have good control fingers and good stability to make good acc on stream/speed maps, not like spamming keys in some parts because you can not keep up, that should not work like that and it gives you pp for 97% while you dropped like 1% acc on long chain of bursts and it nerfed pp by 30pp only... it should nerf way more, like 100pp.
moistcritikal of osu
kapyap the best
In general - pablohh post was more of the about feedback problem. Not about some evil individuals manipulating pp direction to gain ranks. That's not true.
TSeries (akolibed) may be a higher rank but Pewdiepie (mrekk) is still our goat.
mrekk > akolibed, whether hes rank 1 or not, mrekk is way better at everything in the game but speed stamina
yesssirrr
true forever
@@immayr yẽsss
Reddit is down the hall and to the left
honestly best osu channel rn, not a bit. keep it up and keep uploading
good vid dude
sorry if this comes out as bad, but I think you should talk a little slower, you talk so fast that you run out of air and I can always hear you breathing heavily before once again speaking which is kinda off-putting. love your vids tho so keep up the good work my man.
sorry if this comes out as bad, but I think you should talk a little slower, you talk so fast that you run out of air and I can always hear you breathing heavily before once again speaking which is kinda off-putting. love your vids tho so keep up the good work my man.
im edging to his heavy breathing
No
sorry if this comes out as bad, but breathing when talking a lot is normal
@@pechkurofff he's saying that he's HEAVILY breathing not just breathing, and that it could be caused by the speed of his speech. read the comment before answering it
Also, this "lower spaced faster streams being lower" is just an evaluator thing, and in real maps faster streams will be more pp. This is just paper-only flaw that can have unpredictable effect on balancing.,
About CS0 - you interpreted it completely false. Distance in pp measured not in pixels but in circles. So when you decrease CS - distance in circles shrinks. So jumps with distance 3 circles between objects will be the same pp in CS4 and CS0, despite CS4 one being closer pixel-wise.
So please don't spread misinformation before researching some stuff. You can ask me or other people involved in pp before making video.
Bro is milking valley of the quandale he mentions it at least 5 times in every video
Why pp reworks never go through in 1 sentence:
They focus on nerfing only after a high pp play is set.
Why was no one complaining when sidetracked day was 2kpp and merami hit the hard part? Because no play 2kpp play was set.
People only decide to apply reworks to nerf new high pp plays that show up in the game. Before that they stay as quiet as a rock and only a few talk about it being overweighted.
Why did people only decide to nerf flow aim after akolibed popped off? Just nerf it based on how it should be instead of focusing on nerfing certain exact plays and we will reach something.
I still dont think that speed is "overweighted." The reason it seems that way is because people are simply getting better at speed and reaching new limits that no one 5 years ago thought would ever be possible. Causing them to set really high scores and even pp records.. Sidetracked day (DT) in my opinion is BARELY overweighted. Akoli's play should only be nerfed by 100 pp bringing it to 1611 instead of 15-whatever... Thoughts anyone?
yeah with the wooting and general improvement from the playerbase the speed skill cap just got higher. maybe it's slightly overweighted, maybe it's not, but we shouldn't nerf specific players plays. akoilibed's sd is at worst a 1.6k
aim maybe got less map and speed got more map according to some people, and I think that's fair, but then the problem would be solved by ranking more aim maps and not buffing aim pp
I think 2 things I want fix with pp, those are combo scaling removal and less meta skillset actually worthing something
mrekk was also getting much better at aim, gapping everyone
And yet his aim top play is not even 1.4k
@@aquaishcyanI can definitely agree. I would really like to see tech being farmable in the future. or anything that isnt just aim and flow lol
@@givikap120 i can def agree that aim isnt weighted enough but i hate making that point as an aim one trick because no one really listens to you when you have bias to your own personal playstyle
@@zentarraa mrekk isn't aim one trick
His top plays are literally speed
0:37 how do u see what plays will be less pp and more? if its a website can you link it?
pp.huismetbenen.nl/rankings
thank you, YAPNOYR
huge pp rework drama
Imagine you work with osu coworkers
i really like kapnoyrs content but everytime he says gen alpha slang i die a little inside
its a problematic addiction
6:30 that will never happen
First nerf speed at least a little then we can talk about those things
Twerking on these maps
We’re cooked
BRO BREATH FFS
real
BREATHE
Every popular online game doesn't try to balance the meta, but rather shift it - I don't see a huge problem with that. You can't really tell how fair the rework is because it's a technical thing - they code algorithms in a way they find doable
@KAPNOYR what is the website to view the rework?
Google "PP recalculations" it should be the first result
Nice profile pic bro
@@_san7 damn you guys similiar
Just look up "PP Recalculations" and it should be the top result
@@_san7 ty u2
yeah the main issue is that devs are very incompetent and they don't even know what the game needs and as a result they accept changes that may seem ridiculous to others. they don't even play the game much and may not even know terms like 'alt map' like what can you expect from them? I play 7k and I know for a fact that mania is curated by people who don't even play it and they already ruined the mode in lazer and don't to listen to players who actually play the game and understand something (it's been a few months though, maybe they started doing something). good thing is that peppy said that he will support stable for as long as possible so hopefully mania players can enjoy stable for longer before being forced to switch to an inferior version of the game
btw, the highest od in the official version of the game is 11.11
Pp devs don't know what alt map is? Excuse me what?
Just remindin that 2 out of 3 pp committee are 3 digits
@@givikap120maybe there's a misunderstanding on who we mean by devs. I mean the ones that accept reworks made by players. people like peppy. and yes at some point peppy didn't even know what an alt map is, it's all in dev discord
@@7kenjoyer peppy isn't involved with reworks in a slightest
The ones who're responsible for pp are pp committee
It's:
StanR, Apo11o (moonpoint) and tsunyoku
@@givikap120good to know that things have improved by 2024 in the main mode at least
@@7kenjoyer they aren't improved, they always were like this
First person who lead pp was tom94, with smoogi as bridge between pp dev and main team
After tom94 retired - pp committee was formed, and they operate to this day
Smoogi still involved in pp but mostly in the formal and related to the servers stuff
honestly tech should actually be buffed
I have a couple of tries buffing tech, you can actually see one of my videos of this attempt
i love pp!
a hidden buff would be fire 🔥
hidden shouldnt even give you more score/pp, its a preference mod which doesnt increase the difficulty at all
@@pechkurofff so sightreading a reading map with hidden is the same difficulty as sightreading with nomod?
@@spwarkz8564no, i think nomod in some cases is harder.
nomod is sometimes harder and hidden is sometimes harder, so it shouldnt have a difference really
@@spwarkz8564 for me it usually easier to play reading map with hd, because a do not see that many notes on screen
@@spwarkz8564 if someone's a hidden player then yes
i know that mania pp system is broken as fuck but cant we just remove misscount penalty completely like taiko and mania lmfao
I think you can talk slower for extra watchtime and hit that 10 minute mark xD
This vid wouldve been 15 mins 💀
Everyone saying speed is easier than aim are 100% 6 digit jump farmers who have never touched a stream map above 5 stars
still waiting for CBS. pp patch
PUT. ALL. WOOTING. PLAYERS. ON. AN. ISLAND!