WHAT HAPPEND To Throne and Liberty? | Why I Quit Playing
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- Опубликовано: 10 июл 2024
- I absolutely loved Throne and Liberty, but to conclude my journey on the Korean Launch, this is why I quit.
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This is very reminiscent of Lineage 2. Certain bosses would drop a specific epic item and would never let the other guilds get in to fight it. I think it took me about a year to finally get a Baium ring 🤔
Yeah, its kinda similar but they do have PVE Bosses too for all of them so its not too bad, but thats when the swiping comes in... If you dont get it, chances are you can swipe to get it! haha
this is not true tho since on alive server u have 2 sides contesting for the baium
I've played the beta and I'm fairly excited to play when the game releases in NA. I am a little curious about shot calling but I haven't found any guides or anything like that on it, do you have any tips or would be able to make even a short video on it if possible? I might be leading my guild on release and would appreciate any tips.
I have a few videos of us in the siege fights if you’re interested in that. I’m not the best shot caller but maybe some tips in there 😂😂
that is NDA buddy XD
players literally kill their own content, sad that developers have to hand hold so much to have pvp be fun
Its always the sweaty tryhard people that no life the shit out of games to make a hard time for more casual oriented players. If you dont set limits its over...
its fine, who wants to play with casual players, get good or go play single player or some casual mmo@@freyerik123
@@freyerik123 yeah these games arent geared towards casuals
Can't wait for the Pax Dei pvp video!!!
Very excited for that! :D
Can't wait for the "WHAT HAPPEND To Pax Dei? | Why I Quit Playing"
Yeah just common sense, when you just win in a game due to no skilled people you move on 😅 @ryuno2097
i just download and they saying that u shoud verify accnt than i am like 68gb for now i need korean number
Alliance is more balanced now, would love to see you back = )
Open PVP is always a number game.
GW2 made the numbers game very fun if you were on the lower end. T&L combat makes it very hard to fight back vs many numbers
its not we defended castle in lineage 2 with 45 people against 300 organization and skill
Damn, literally like 3 days ago I was thinking about if I should get into T&L for global release and make a channel for it, so went to check your channel to see if you were still enjoying it but saw you didn't upload for a bit. It's a shame, looks like the game has a ton of potential.
They may turn it around, and I think global will be good if they get the zerging under control - I’ll be playing global and the CBT
Still waiting to hear if I got into beta. Will check it out n make my decision there if I get let in.@@Danneh
This game was a big failure in Korea
@@Danneh Theres nothing to be turned around if you dont want to see massive ally battles, have you heard of lineage 2? this is the closest thing to Lineage 3 we will ever get.
This is what happened in L2 too. People hate losing.. so they all join the side that starts winning and the winning side likes to win harder, so they let them. Its the biggest issue with OWpvp games.
Yup, it's why most up-and-comming MMOs are factionless and focus more on guild content etc
There was years from when L2 launched before it turned this bad. Back in C1-C6 there was so many guilds fighting each other. I guess it partly depended on the server you played on.
its all depended on the server
Miss you in the game Danneh! Aka Xcaliber in game. We had fun at that first siege! We moved to fonsine and unfortunately the same thing happened zerg zerg zergggg
Yeahhh man can’t wait for the new changes to come
True, true and true again. Been playing on Asota for over 3 months rn. Even when i am not really PvP player, we were ready for tax deliveries and for Castle siege as a small guild (single guild without alliance - around 20 players active at that time) and they just "abuse" the system. It was awful...
Whats even worse, AGS give all those EU and NA zergs over hunders of keys to their Beta and we get 0 in our guild. We even was in top 20 in guilds, have few people who are in Beta sign up for over 6 or 7 months, been playing for months and we get nothing :D That much for AGS trying to watch whats happening in KR ...
Still, have fun in your games and see you on your stream again! Cya, Akhedia
Same thing is going to happen to global since PVP rewards you with premium currency, so there is a heavy incentive to form up and cheat the system. The thing about Lineage II for example that made mass pvp so enjoyable was you did it just to grief and get loot, that's it. NC Soft wants this game to have mass appeal but they designed systems in place that make it very niche and that is cannibalizing itself, and its going to get worse with Global since we don't go nearly as hard as Korea does when it comes to guild focused be on at X time everyday type of content. so eventually you will end up with a game where most of the guilds are dead and its just the top 1% controlling everything while the rest are just left as fodder.
Cant agree more they need hard limits and aliance should be just 4 guilds thats the whole point of aliance either its official or not. Also siege felt to me like there was way too many players, if only aliance (4guilds) can play vs other aliance, then that would feel way better and still have insane number of players fighting. I hope they make siege instanced, preregistered event where all aliances doesnt matter how strong or weak could participate and fight for a place on leaderboard for their share of reward and not just sweaty a holes.
Danneh come back, we miss you :) come back to eu beta
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"Yes, i'm waiting for AOC and i've paid my fucking money" xD Haven't we all. Ngl, people meme on ashes all day long but i have not seen a more promising mmorpg in development right now. TnL was just another spoke in the wheel while we wait for A2
I wonder how much they can change anything anyway being just distributor of the license. Outside connectivity and server management, content wise they shouldn't have a say too much.
This is very true! Deffo interested to see what they have done in the CBT
I thought the game wasn't even out yet outside of Korea?
Its not, CBT this month. Thousands of people from around the world joined the KR Launch though, was very enjoyable overall!
@@Danneh I'll be honest. I was kinda bummed seeing you could only play as a human and I kinda put it from my mind. Then combat drama began. Shame to hear though, hopefully it improves.
@@ElvenSupremacist dont get it wrong , its the best mmo last 20 years
Hello @Danneh, you could chew on gold duping, furtnite duping, dungeon abusing, lags ("Caused by PG" :D :D :D :D , I still remember this trolling) in New World and play it for so long, but this T&L issue is the real reason to quit:) ? I did mention multiple times when I was in discord that T&L is very very close to Lineage2 and it is pretty much L3 with different mechanics. L2 Crest (ppl changing it in the middle of war/siege to confuse enemies), Clan Wars, Open PvP, Castle Seiges, Territory Wars , Massive alliances and so much more. Anyway I am sure we will see each other playing World Wide T&L release :) thanks for sharing!
T&L's alliance system just feels like a lesser version of Eve's alliance system. And all the stuff you didn't like about alliances being able to block content, I love those aspects that are in Eve. Why be on the weaker side?
Why play at all?
Most people dont think the way you do! lineage 2 was just like this. but if you have ONE good party you can fight the strongest allies because they just suck at PVP, thats what im hoping can happen here. since this is the closest thing to L3 we will ever see.
But is this not way we play MMOs? Else we can play more strict competitive games like Lol, CS etc
Appreciate immediately getting to the point, respect
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Downloading now, I'll be back.^^^
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Download how!?
@@LordOfChoco Beta sign up awhile back.
It is just stupid seeing so many HP/mana bars and so many efects at the same time. I don't understand why there must be so much of effects that player is unable to even see what is going on? Can anyone tell me why fighters and knights... need special effects??? Why not ONLY MAGE? It would make game normal and in a large sieges you could at least see what is going on...
I am just struggling to understand. The full game was released last year. And surely when you go to twitch there is people actively streaming the Korean version of the game. Now why then have a closed open bata test for the west. Where everything regarding the bata is kept in a hush hush. I mean it's not like we all can just go watch other people play the full game. So why the secret regarding the western release then.
I quit because it just stopped being fun for me. The end game was too repetative and just didnt feel good.
Exactly.
Yeah, a bit emphasis is the Guild vs Guild stuff which is enjoyable, but that got turned into Zerg vs Zerg haha!! Hopefully more awesome pve content comes in and some nice balanced PVP and its a nice little game!!
Bring back autoplay,
ill be playing
No other MMO provides any better World PVP that this game. its a blast. Other MMO's have Old bloated graphic engines.
Release soon please!! 😭👀
Would love to see you on BDO the whole system is changing recently The PVP is very TL
whats TL?
they fixed zerging in everything but siege which is fine tbh and gonna continue to work on it should be fun on na even if it doesn't last forever.
Is the update out?
@@Danneh on KR yeah riftstone and boonstones are now GvG only no zergs
Faction pvp is no solution in a game like t&l.
Europe version is common you was playing Korean version
Ah I didn’t know that
Maybe you should do the beta and feed all this back to Amazon you where proper hyping TL for months I wouldn't say the game is in a bad place it just needs some tweaking
Dam shame you not gonna be East. Hope you run the EU side Pirates!
We will do our best!! 🫡🏴☠️
i think you will be good if you play albion online, they opening eu server this month (i think 23 april) might be a good chance for you to start there
Thing is you're gated from the start. You just don't realize it until you've already wasted your time and for some people their money.
Thug rule always kills a game. I had fun when I played with you guys. I'm going to give NA a try. My ping will be a lot better.
My big question is will Amazon help the game or hurt the game? I hope they do better than they did with Lost Ark
That is a big question man! Gonna try the Closed Beta and see how that goes…. !!
All I heard is Danneh dun destroyed yet another game 😂 😂😂😂😂 roll up, next contender ! ❤ Oh snap T&L said "come back in June" too 😅
hahah wasn't me, honest!!!!!!
While i agree with you that the zerg is a problem in any mmo pvp game its for sure not devs fault vut our fault as a community.
Devs are doing the right moves and trust me some servers u gonna get decent guild leaders and the game will be balanced and nice ans some other will be zerged.
Maybe make caravan an instance pvp evebt for guild vs guild ? Ok u still gonna have the siege zergs but thats gonna be the politics pcp of the server i can leave with that, but everything else we sgould avoid the zerg
I thought you said the game was perfect.
@@paintspot1509 yes the game is perfect for me , how it respects ur time and in general the flyidity customazation of ur class , graphics not very grindy , right amount of pvp
So its basically zergs from albion online but a korean game?
How this game earn money? Is it P2W?
There is "leveling pass" - as you level up you get additional rewards to the regular ones.
There is battle pass - 4 weeks based.
There are skins for armor and weapons.
The market between players is based on currency, which can be bought with IRL money. An item with some value has dropped and instead of using it, I can place it on the market so that someone can use their IRL money to buy it. So you do not really need IRL money to participate in the market, just make it easier.
Sounds like what happened in Warhammer Online years ago. The developers are 100% to blame for this. You have to design your game in such a way where it doesn't lend itself to this zergfest shitshow. People will always take the path of least resistance and game the system in their favor whenever possible.
True that! The game at its core is solid and if the updates they bring can address this, it should be good! - fingers crossed 😭😂
It's one step above a mobile game. i expect it to go to mobile in 1-2 years.
This is 100% why PvP games fail. You have these massive zerg guilds, some guilds of which WOULD be competition for one another, instead form an alliance and just dominate the rest of the game. Then six months later, they're looking around and wondering why everybody has left the game. It's those types of players/guilds that totally lack self-awareness of the ill effects of that kind of gameplay. It makes the community poorer and weaker in every way imaginable. So when it comes to a game like that, a lot of times if it dies, you don't have to look much further than the community itself.
kinda saw this one coming. on the bright side, NW will be introducing some sort of new PvP mode in June. something to do with open world free for all zones. Scot lane has been hyping it up
If your hopes are on New World, I have bad news for you…
@@emrahkahraman3495 that it’s coming to console and possibly Xbox game pass? That we just got a combat coding rework? A new 10 man raid? New artifacts? The huge announcement coming in June? That swimming is being added to the game?
What’s the bad news?
@ZMACxx so closed minded
I stopped playing 2 months ago because of all the content ( that I feel ) is gatekept. The only real content to progress your character is your 3 daily dungeons and 10 contracts. The contracts can be done in less than 10 minutes and the dungeons can be done with a good group in less then an hour as well. LITERALLY everything else gives absolutely pointless rewards that don't help towards progression at all , if anything it's laughable. Graphics are amazing, mechanics are cool, but that lack of content that you can grind for hours is really killer.
Yeah, they deffo added more content over the months, loads of PVE, more dungeons and the open world dungeons were good fun, but the gear farming and pvp elements kinda got messed up but players haha! Hopefully AGS take on board players feedback for Global...
@@Danneh Yeah I've been keeping up with everything new that get's added but at the end of the day no matter how much dungeons they add you can still only do 3 a day, they can add 80 dungeons but only being able to do 3 is just a joke lol. Unless they increase the drop rates from mobs/ events then the gear grind will continue to be horrendous. But hey, some people will like it.
@@ironskater121, NCSoft added ways, through events that you can increase the amount of dungeons you can do per day. There is an updated (noticble higher) drop chance rate for scematics and gear outside dungeons.
Ultimately - I agree that you feel restricted by the amount of chances you have to obtain loot from dungeons. The RNG element there is slightly devastating :D
@@darkdestiny8670 what from events gives you more dungeons ? I’ve followed the game closely even though I’ve quit and know pretty much everything that’s new . What exactly gives you more dungeons from events ?
@@ironskater121 with each event you get NPC in the major cities which sales items for tokens. Those tokens are gathered by doing the event tasks. 1 of those items are actually the dungeon points which are needed to open the chest after you have defeated the last boss.
give me global!!!
Haha not long now!!! 🥹 we hope!!!!
oh wow, the same happen (no surprises there) in shadowbane and asheron's call darktide pk server ( my favorate kind of pvp server a free for all pvp anywhere and anyplace), big guilds and alliances take over the server and the game is over. today, I still prefer GW2 WvW because to me it the most fair pvp even when your server had low population (so many enemies I level so fast and I don't have to go to far to see some action), also love roaming in WvW fo much fun fighting especially good pvpers. yeah it looks like I'm gonna do a wait and see on this game and see if the devs can fix these big problems. time will tell.
Couldn't agree more
Didn’t even know the game was released yet. Gameplay ruined by human nature as always in MMOs. Glad I didn’t waste any time on this
Yeah, the Korean version launched first, was good fun, but yeah... thats what happened there!
it's terrible. without breaking the NDA it's just bad. a pretty painting with no substance
The game was dead from the start, they needed to add autoplay, L2m had way bigger player base, the game is dead because is too grindy,
Nobody want to play a second job
yea i was excited about triple A autplay idle game, but now it will be just shitty mmo
Well it is basically a PVE game, that has some PVP, for the minority that want it.
It’s more like a GVG PvP game
yeah actually I wanted it the way it was released and then people like you all ruined it btw, thanks for that since its STILL not gutted enough for you. now you come in, see pvp and quit? please stay all the way out of K MMOs
@@zaosin9185 Lol, OK. The Devs will go with what the majority want, not the small minority want. It is simply business. A Korean MMO will never be successful outside of Korea, and maybe China, if released with all the PTW so called PVP that exists there.
@@nickolouszahar2193 what statistics are you basing the fact that PvP players are the minority? like legitimately, im so sick and tired of this past decade of whining bitching online loud mouths ruining quality games. if you dont like PvP STAY AWAY FROM KMMOS
Skill issue tbh, get good
True skill diffed
no like legitimately
@@Danneh I played the game and had no issues whatsoever
lol no way I’m giving this game a shot. Looks like I’d have more fun slamming my head against the desk.
😂😂 if it’s free on release, just try the tutorial, it’s actually really well made! … then uninstall 😂😂
thx the game look great, ill play for a bit ... but won't invest in it... free game is a free game ! will move on after that ! :D
Imagine quitting a game you've invested hundreds of hours into over a pvp event that takes up less than 1% of your gameplay.
PVP events happen nearly every hour of the day. Imagine commenting when you don’t know what you’re talking about 😘
@@Danneh Good riddance pkers :D
Welcome to Korean mmos. like thats how these work. they are geared towards end game PvP if people dont like this they should play......World Of Warcraft perhaps? LMAO
They are changing it
That concept alone will kill the game
Man this game looks really cringe
Lets be honest, you just take a break for global release.
Right now to play F2P game you need VPN what is already not F2P.
Better to have some shot that pay for VPN in 2024 LOL how crazy is that. Freaking VPN mafia...
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It’s coming to console real soon yikes 😂 dead on arrival globally
😂 hope not, some nice changes coming but let’s see what they can do…
PvP ruins everything
Haha true true make love not war
Only PVE games are boring.
But guess what
..they rarely die lol .....how many pvp mmos hold 40k daily players or more other than bdo and albion online ?@@sallee132
LOL WOW THANKS FOR RUINING THIS GAME AND THEN QUITTING IT BEFORE IT EVEN TOOK OFF. god damn people like you ruined what this game was actually going to be
Another shit BDO experience
Dead on arrival
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My man saving the world one comment at a time 😭
Its the same problem every time and no one recognizes it. Limited windows with additional rewards for the victors. Adding incentives for zergs and complaining about zergs is idiocy.