THE PROPOSITION (2005) 4K UHD BLU-RAY REVIEW
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- Опубликовано: 15 янв 2024
- John Hillcoat's Australian outback take on the American Western genre featuring a fabulous cast including Guy Pearce, Ray Winstone, Danny Huston, John Hurt and Emily Watson. Extremely violent and at times gory. Image aspect ratio is approximately 2.40:1 and sound is DTS HD 5.1.
The reason I decided to do a full review of this rather obscure title is because the image quality from the fine grain Kodak Vision 2 Super 35 negative is so good. It was extremely good on the 2006 DVD too so it's just one of those films that has always looked great.
Another great 4K release from the British Film Institute that first went on sale in April 2022. 
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Fantastic review! Thanks John. I love this 4k set, it is one of the favourites in my collection. Ray Winstone is excellent in it. The shots of the Australian outback are a marvel and I was really impressed by the sound. A truly great release from the BFI.
Evening James. It's such a shame this film isn't better known than it is. Everyone involved in making it or appearing in it seems to have nothing but good memories and good things to say about it but since this 4K appeared in special edition form (April 2022 I think) it's consistently been languishing on shelves in every branch of HMV I can remember. And I've been in quite a few during that time. That's probably a sign that it doesn't seem to have sold well now that I've had time to think about it.
John.
I love Ray Winston as well. He gives a fantastic performance in this film.
@@jonathanaldecoa1099 Agree with that for sure. But then, they're all at their best in this film. A great cast in a great film. John.
One of my favourite movies of all time...
Let's hope many more people get to know that it actually exists. It has a good reputation but still not a widely known film. John.
I have never seen this picture but it sounds like something I would enjoy - looking forward to watching for the first time in 4k!
I hope you like it. This pack from the BFI does make it feel even more special so that helps. John.
Glad you reviewed this film...its one of my favorites. I jumped on that release when I saw it on Amazon awhile back. Excellent 4k box. Thanks again!!!
They still had two of the special packs in HMV Bristol today when I was there. I couldn't think of a good excuse to buy another for £19.99 at the time but I should have got them both for people on this channel who would now like a copy. John.
Put off watching this video until now. Went out for lunch last Sunday and as I always do, popped into the local CEX store for a nosey. I picked up the special edition of this for 12 quid. Absolutely immaculate. Anyway, got round to watching it last night and thought it looked and sounded fantastic. Some of the set pieces were stunningly gorgeous. Once again, cheers for the video and hope you're well. Bob.
You're the second person to comment on here that they've found a £12 copy of this special pack in CEX Bob. Well done. I've always held this film in high regard but didn't ever realize it wasn't a widely known film. Maybe that will change as more and more of us discover it. Having it look as good as this 4K won't do it any harm either. John.
I have the Blu Ray version 1080p. I’m in Southern California and have a region free blu ray player. I love this film The Proposition. This is a beautiful film!!!
The DVD looks fabulous Jonathan so I bet the Blu-ray is exceptional. John.
Came home from work today and watched this review before my tea. I picked up the Proposition at launch (I had previously seen it on dvd when it came out ) but not taken it out of the packaging. So following dinner and off the back of this video I hit my home cinema room and put it on. Was blown away by it… so thank you for the inspiration.
Now in bed working my way through the 80 page accompanying book
I've been a bit the same with this film Richard as it has always taken a bit of working up to in order to put it on. But this time around on this 4K disc through a modern, budget home video projector on the home cinema screen it was truly like being back in the 1990's cinema heyday. And that book that comes with this 4K has some very good information in it. I haven't got through it all yet but I think the opening section written by the director is extremely interesting. Don't stay up too late though!
John.
Have never seen this, interested now though, thank you John.
It's a wonderful but powerful film Pete. Not for the squeamish but unlike some over the top horror films, this all feels real and true to the era and location. John.
Thanks for this review, John..
You're welcome Rick. Keep an eye out for a bargain copy of this special edition pack. John.
Thanks for the review John. I completely agree, excellent disc and a fantastic film.
I didn’t realise it was a “flop” which is such as shame as it’s one of the best westerns out there!
I suppose distributors shied away from it so it only got a limited release and possibly not in all territories. On the other hand, it's possible the information on IMDB is wrong, but that's not usually the case. There were still two copies of the special edition 4K in the Bristol branch of HMV today so that's probably a sign it's not particularly popular. John.
I reside in Southern California. I saw this film when it came out on DVD. I’m a big Nick Cave fan, which piked my interest. It’s a fantastic film. I love it.
@@jonathanaldecoa1099 That seems to be how most of us first saw this one. I'd have liked to have seen it at one of the West End's top cinemas but I wasn't even aware of it until the DVD appeared. John.
I have that same edition John and watched it some months back. I agree with you. BFI produce some beautifully cinematic 4k movies. Get Carter was equally good. Great review as always. I wish more reviewers rated cinematic quality over clear and smooth hi-def pictures which just don’t look like film. I suppose it’s best represented in older films.
Film stocks and particularly negative stocks are such fine grain now and have been for more than 35 years for a lot of productions so it is easy to get confused and think that because a film in the 1960's was grainy then all films should look the same. Some cinematographers and directors wanted a grainy look so they have deliberately chosen more coarse grain negative stocks down the years but some choose the finest stock available and from the late 1980's/early 1990's there was no shortage of choice. The Proposition appears to be one of the finest Kodak Vision 2 T100 to T500 productions judging from both the DVD and the 4K. A 35mm print would confirm it though. John.
Thanks John! I've always been curious about this movie!
If it had have been an American western I expect it would have done so much better. But for me, it's the Australian setting that sets it apart. And the cast and their convincing performances. John.
Thanks John
You're welcome Craig. John.
An excellent, cinematic intro. I love that you give your videos that kind of touch.
Thank you Erik. I wanted to make the point that it caused me to make the analogy to the quality of the screenings we used to consistently enjoy at The Empire until the later 1990's and some during the early 2000's before it all went to crap everywhere. We are rather enjoying our little home cinema more and more now that the bottom masking is working and I can operate everything from my chair... until I put a real film print on of course. John.
Hi John. I remember sitting in the cinema and being stunned when the lights went up on this one. It took me a minute to collect myself and shuffle out of the auditorium. Is this release only PAL, or is the 4k region free? I don't need the extras.
I've just had a look at the discs James and the Blu-ray has Zone B printed on the face whereas the 4K disc does not. Therefore looks like the usual zone free 4K UHD Blu-ray and that has the commentaries and the one new extra (the telephone conversation recording) so if you get the DVD sometime for all the other extras then you'll have everything. John.
Great review John :)
I have to check out this film cuz I haven't seen it and never heard of it. It looks interesting and I really enjoy western films.
Just be prepared for some rather extreme violence which is quite gory a couple of times. I think it's the hard nature of the film that kept people away from it but I don't suppose it's much more than in films such as Unforgiven.
Until today, I've never heard of this film... I guess that's why it only did 5 million at the box office. ; )
That's my line of thought too Beau. If it had have been an American western I suspect it would have been hailed as an all-time masterpiece of the genre but we can't have those pesky Aussies meddling in on the act. John.
2001 a space odyssey is what blew me away on 4k recently. The introduction never ceases to crack me up! 😂😂 what a time to be a movie lover
2001 is probably still up there with some of the best but much of it appears to be a dupe negative. That's to be expected as it had more 70mm prints struck from it than any other film in history I believe so that original negative was somewhat knackered. To see the best from a 65mm shoot take a look at Murder on the Orient Express. John.
Hey John. I love this film and have raved about it people for years. I actually did see it at a theater in California. I'm not sure that I've ever met anyone who has seen it... Sad really. Thnaks for doing such a wonderful job as always.
It was an uncle who loaned me the DVD first in 2006. I bought a copy soon after that so I've probably seen it four times now. I'd have liked to have seen it in a West End premiere house but I don't even know if it got a screening in any of the great cinemas that would have got a master print. It is funny how we have such similar taste in movies though Rob. And seamstresses!
John.
It is weird. Both into projecting celluloid, both into similar movies, both building home theaters, both with seamstresses 🤣. Now we just need to get you out to Oregon!
@@Celestialrob One day Rob and I'm sure we'll all have a great time... you and I enjoying movies and the two seamstresses knocking out some nice theatrical curtains!
John - the offer is there - we have loads of space and Oregon is a wonderful place to visit!
Another solid review as always, John.
I've never seen The Proposition; it's always been a "one of these days" movie. But it might be time to finally check it out.
I was in HMV Bristol earlier today Bill and they had two copies of this special edition for £19.99. I was tempted to buy another but managed to resist! It is a great film and it looks great too. A little violent and gory too in a few places so some probably steered clear for that reason. John.
I have the 1080p blu ray version. I’m in California, however I have a region free blu ray player and had it delivered this evening. It’s a great presentation of the film
Thank you John.
Who would have thought you'd get in first Cheekster?!?
@@moviecollector5920 🫡
hey john im a massive fan of the proposition. i had a look at the 4k and i thogiut it looked amazing its one of the best aussie move ever made. im also a massive nick cave fan.
I didn't realize it was a film that had hardly registered around the world until I looked it up for the video. The comments on here have largely confirmed that hardly anyone has seen it but you're certainly not the only one who has Squid. I think it's a class film but it's not for the squeamish. That's the power of it I suppose. John.
I love Nick. Have seen him live a few times.❤️😎🕺
I think we have a you tubes answer to Barry Norman, love these videos, please keep them coming
Quite a few people have said that over the years and I did watch his Film programmes in the late 70's and through much of the 80's so maybe he had an influence. I think I just sit down to record a video as myself though as what you see and hear is how I am in real life. John.
@@moviecollector5920 great stuff John, I live in Leicester, had I known you were going to our hmv I would have been up for a meet up, cup of coffee and chat about movies, thanks for all the hard work you put into these videos, I watch them all !
Nice one John.....il be checking this out👍
I think you'll like it Roy. Expect some rather graphic and gory violence though. John.
Evening John, another lovely edition...have yet to watch this film but by the sound of it it's right up my alley,time to break into the piggybank again 😊
Evening Marty. HMV branches do still have the special edition packs of this one so it's worth looking. Particularly as they're only £19.99. Saw two copies today in the Bristol branch. John.
@moviecollector5920 sadly my nearest HMV is over 2 hours drive in the Rover 75,hoping they might reopen again here.
@@MadMartysMovieReviews-gv6hk Marty, you're not driving that Rover 75 fast enough!
@moviecollector5920 😆 she's like myself, built for comfort not for speed 😅
That was a well made and acted film!
Love your comment about the cheesy actor, and often insincere colleague comments, 'such and such was just so amazing to work with...' 😝
Ho ho! Yes, how often do we see making of documentaries where everyone is apparently wonderful? It does get on my nerves at times. John.
Super John! Did you see this movie in theatres back in 2005 though?
I didn't Vishwa. I would have liked to have seen a master print because I feel sure that it would have looked as good as this home video disc at more than 50 feet wide. The quality is there on the DVD so the 4K shouldn't have been a surprise but when you see such good results from what was originally a Super 35 shoot it mainly comes down to the quality of the original shoot. John.
Do the red curtains not affect the screen ?
Yes, make it so much more impressive to sit in there to watch a film. Just like cinema used to be when there was a bit of style before the boring black box designers took over and thought they knew best. Another reason why I gave up on cinema along with the downgrade in image quality. John.
Golly, yet another movie that I have not seen. I did import the 4K special edition of Get Carter; it was wonderful (I was already a fan of the film). So I will try out The Proposition and if I like it I will seek out the special edition you display in the video. Oh, and I strongly object to your description of your time and effort as being "nonsense".
Ho ho! At least someone noticed my slight change of wording at the end there Henri. I suddenly felt tired of saying the same old tosh. As for this special 4K pack, they are still out there on sale so it's worth keeping an eye on eBay to see if you can grab a bargain. It doesn't have the postcard reproduction front of house set like Get Carter but it's still impressive for the asking price. John.
Good review John.
Glad I saw this as you peaked my interest.
Australia makes some overlooked Brilliant films,
eg " The Nightingale", " The Stranger", and the Amazing " Animal Kingdom 9/10 " and also a kinda outback Aussie western with Sam Neil called " Sweet Country ".
So watching this In thought I must give this a go 👍👍👍.
I saw your Sisu review which I watched at a freinds and while it was mindlessly entertaining, As people say John Wick mixed with Rambo But while John Wick is OTT and you have to detach any plausible thinking? 🤔 i found Sisu I had to unplug my brain completely.
After all,Blown Up, Shot, Hung, beaten and set on fire lol while funny it was just ludicrous.
As for the ⛏️ Plane act 😂.
But glad I watched it but There's no rewatch value But i respect it for what it is and the crazy $6 million budget!.
Thanks 👍 R
PS BTW " sweet country" is on Ch 4 Thursday & also Ch4 streaming 👍.
How about 'Walkabout' with Jenny Agutter and also 'Picnic At Hanging Rock'. Two historic films that had an influence on film makers worldwide. Yes, there certainly have been some great films made down there. I haven't seen Sweet Country but I'll keep an eye our for it now. I don't have television so Thursday's broadcast will pass without me adding another viewer to the audience tally.
John.
I remember mentioning this too you months ago in the comments so pleased you got around to finally viewing. Pleased with recent review of the lost boys. Picked up The servant ,The Wicker Man and Del Toros Pinocchio. All sat on my pending pile. Sad news HMV are closing down the branch in Boston hope it's not a sign of things to come. Thanks for your insight and help.
They’re actually opening 200+ stores nationwide, according to staff in Manchester and refurbishing many of the older ones, so they’re not going anywhere soon. Probably not turning over enough to warrant it to stay open or could be that rent and rates are too high.
I was in the Bristol HMV today (two copies of this special edition on the shelves there) and the manager told me HMV have opened a store in Belgium. There are always going to be reasons to close a store here and there when a retailer has so many so there's probably a good reason for the disappointing Boston closure. Thanks for hassling me about The Proposition Mike. I can't quite believe how much I enjoyed revisiting that film again. John.
Didn't mean to make you think I was hassling you. Found out the Hmv in Boston has low sales high rents and heavy unemployment. Liking the expansion into Europe
@@mikewilding3199 Oh, I like good hassling Mike so don't worry about that. Looks like you have the definitive answers for why the Boston HMV had to close. I wonder why there is high unemployment in the area. I had the same after leaving college during the big early 1980's depression so I hit the road and it's worked out alright... so far!
John.
Don’t know this one, thanks for the review. Remember “superbit” dvds? $36 here but maybe I’ll get the Blu-ray for $7.
I do remember Superbit DVD's Gary. I still have Vertical Limit in the silver box and it's a beauty. I think you'd find the DVD of The Proposition will almost make you think it's a Blu-ray and you'd probably find a copy for a couple of bucks these days. But this 4K pack makes the film feel that little bit more special.
John.
Hi John! like others this film has had me curious but never seen it! Funny as we are knee deep in Australia now ( the open tennis slam lolol ) so every year this time we are longing to be there so curious you picked this one to review. I have to see this movie and this 4kset really looks like a great pick up. Can't wait to see this and for what it may cost ..Thanks again, great review and keep well!! Cheers D !!
I was in HMV Bristol yesterday Dave and they had two copies of this special edition for £19.99 each. I couldn't think of a good excuse to buy another one at the time but given the comments on here I now think I should have bought them both so I could get them to a couple of people around the world to take a look at. Oh well, lesson learned yet again. I'm sure copies will come up for sale on eBay. I had actually just ordered one for a colleague who has done jobs for me but refused to bill me so I'm sending him a pack of 4K's instead. At least this confirms that new copies do come up for sale on the ol' eBay and I'm sure second hand copies will too which should still be perfect. John.
Good review John, and tempted me to go watch this film. I enjoyed ‘American Graffiti’ on 4K over Christmas, but disappointed Cameron refuses to release Abyss 4K in U.K. because of censor’s insistence on deletion of the ‘rat breathing liquid scene’. May import a US copy if I can or pick up a copy next time in US. Happy New Year!
Morning George. I think the situation with The Abyss is that the BBFC have not relented on their insistence on a few seconds of cuts to the rat fluid breathing sequence as adopted in 1989 and to get them to re-evaluate it today would require re-submitting the film for a new classification. In other words, money! The alternative would be to create a second version of the 4K disc just for the UK market so neither option may be viable but if it sells well in the USA perhaps it will get a release here later on. The trouble is that so many people get hot under the collar about minor cuts to films that I fear there would be a concerted effort to destroy sales even though if they saw both versions they'd be hard pushed to justify any reason not to want to see the one that is a few seconds shorter. I've actually had one or two message me recently to tell me they have the DVD and the problematic sequence is in there. Well yes, it is. It's just slightly shorter. It just goes to show though that people hear about a cut and assume the whole scene is gone. It makes no soddin' difference to the overall film!
I have The Abyss on Super 8 so I'm not bothered. I ran it a couple of months ago and it's beautiful. 30 years old and looks as good as the day it was printed.
John.
Interesting thoughts John. I’d heard it was more black and white than that. Disney were OK with complying with UK regulators but Cameron is absolutely rigid on not making any changes - Cameron wins out as he carries ‘clout’! Disney (desperate for funds to backfill the black hole created by their plethora of woke ‘flops’) lose. Guessing U.K. market is very small (cf US), so not a big deal at the end of the day, however remember that Disney have withdrawn from physical media sales in many countries like Australia. Wondering if streaming content will be edited for country-allowed content (e.g. specific UK Abyss on Disney + or on-line rental from Apple or Amazon)? Pleased you have your original film….i don’t have that luxury and am actually downsizing/curating my discs (too many) - quite a difficult job, but don’t want to have yet more racking/shelving/storage. I have ripped all my TV series discs to NAS, so keep those discs in ‘really useful storage’ boxes in loft (all my CDs are stored in the loft already).
Hey John. I have this SKU but I've yet to watch it. It's good to know I'm in for a treat though.
Take it easy.
Trev
It will look great projected on your screen so I'll be interested to hear your thoughts. I think it's a great film and a class act. You'll probably like the violence and occasional gore too but I think that's what has put people off seeing it in the main. John.
Thanks John for another great review
All The best
Jer
Thank you Jer. I'm impatient to see how you're getting on with your new masking system. It's looking jolly clever. John.
@@moviecollector5920 Hopefully I should have it finished this week just waiting on some parts for the motor,
Thanks again for John
Jer
I got this box set Monday watch it it's a great movie looks good only wished I had region free player to watch the extra features
Apart from that extra feature on the 4K disc Roachman they're all on the DVD so perhaps have a look on eBay and get one of those for a few dollars because then you'll have everything and won't have to shell out on a multizone Blu-ray player. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I was thinking that also got first man yesterday watched it last night 👍👍
salut voila une belle vidèo sur la revue de se film comme toujour
Merci Alain. The Proposition est un excellent film, mais peu de gens semblent le connaître. John.
Hi John can you name your top 3: 35/70 mm to 4k disc transfers till now. I am sure Jaws1 will make it to the list for sure 😊
35mm probably would include Jaws and I suspect it's as good as it is because it was transferred at around 5.6K so more like what is required for a full frame anamorphic 35mm. Apocalypse Now is pretty sensational too and particularly when you consider it had to be done from the interpositive (next step down from original negative). I'm not sure what the third would be but there have been some very good ones and some are probably quite obscure like this Super 35 production of The Proposition.
70mm is a bit of a more problematic choice because IMAX 70mm is three times the size of standard 70mm. In that regard, the best are TENET, DUNKIRK and probably OPPENHEIMER but INTERSTELLAR won't be too far off. Best standard 70mm is MURDER ON THE ORIENT EXPRESS but then there are a whole load of other older 70mm productions and also VistaVision and Super Technirama etc. etc. etc. Have a look at my top ten 4K discs video to get a better idea of how I judge all these various formats. Best video to 4K is probably Le Mans '66 but possibly Top Gun: Maverick.
John.
Thanks John for elaborating it in detail once again.
Regarding HDR blowout you mentioned, your Panasonic 820 doesn’t have the 2 projector presets under HDR display type that the 9000 comes with. This will give you the correct tone mapping options and retain both the specular highlight and low level details you sometimes mention. It all comes down to how the movie’s HDR is mastered but the dynamic tone mapping should take care of discs mastered at a range of brightness levels. A local Richer Sounds would I’m sure let you test one with your setup to confirm it.
Once we had our 820 calibrated with our OLED, we never have to touch the HDR setting just leave it set to on. Just a suggestion.
The HDR adjustments often required don't bother me, it's all part of the fun. I just try to make others aware that it could be buggering up the image quality on their system. However, it's never so much of an issue on my telly so I expect it's the same with tellies in general. Projecting seems a little different but I think it's to be expected as it's a completely different thing. But there's nothing wrong with just checking first because even on a telly little changes can made a big difference to the enjoyment of a film. John.
@@moviecollector5920 I’m not quite sure you understood what I meant. Nothing about TVs, my comment was suggesting how your results with your projector would improve. There are specifically 2 projector tone mapping settings on the 9000 that don’t exist on the 820. Having witnessed it myself at a Richer Sounds demo, it sounds like it would solve some of your HDR issues. Again, just my thoughts.
@@modestyblaise4167 Thank you. I did understand. It's not an issue for me but is for others who don't understand. The 9000 series was about a grand last time I looked so it's certainly not something I'd be looking at. The 820 series is a fine machine and much better value but I'm on a 300 series and a 400 which are the same just with fewer facilities and outputs on the back. John.
Great Review John as always. Any chance of doing a 4K review on the Midnight Run staring Robert De Niro. Directed by Martin Breast in the late eighties is a cross country caper involving the FBI and Mafia. Certainly one the most underrated movies that came out during this time.
I don't think Midnight Run has been released over here Tony. It's one I saw in the cinema on original release but I don't think I've seen it since. What I need is a wealthy benefactor!!! John.
I need to try and see this, had wanted to from the cast alone but it’s one of those that got by me, i’ve tried several times over the years but never been able to, or been interrupted early into it. £20 seems like a steal, especially at HMV prices for a special edition! Reminded me of a 4k i need to track down, on my travel recently to the states I said to you i managed to pick up a few 4k’s that haven’t been released over here, just found out another great similar to this that was filmed in the Australian outback has been released there too - Quigley Down Under, with the great Tom Selleck & the late great Alan Rickman.
Have a disc to send you I picked up in the states, need to figure out how to get it to you!
I was in the Bristol HMV today and they have two copies of this The Proposition special edition. They therefore do still seem to be in stock at some branches around the country. Drop me an email. You'll find me on the bfcc.biz site as I'm the only John on the contacts page. John.
“….nonsense like this….” 😊 John, you never talk ‘nonsense’ do you? …
Great review, as always, but I have to confess, I’ve not heard of ‘The Proposition’…
Have you thought of reviewing some of the 4K releases of early films, like b/w talkies (pre-code) or box sets like ‘Columbia Classics Vol x’? Maybe if you forward a few of your reviews to the studios they would send you review screeners?
Finally, as now more viewers have said, your reviews are like mini ‘Film xx’ programs (with Barry Norman), you should really place a few bars of the theme tune (only a bit though so RUclips copyright doesn’t block it!). Bye for now
I was suddenly a little bored to be saying the same thing again Stephen so I made a little change to see if anyone would notice. Well done for spotting it. Not everyone sticks around until the end.
I would review the Columbia Classics releases if I could justify the expense but the cost against home many views a review video would get doesn't add up. The next one has John Carpenter's Starman in the box so of all of them so far, that box has been the most tempting. But I can't afford it so that's the end of that.
Putting music into any video can be problematic. Even music for which I've purchased a licence from Smartsound. I no longer even try owing to all the hassle it causes. The last one took a month to sort out and only because the buggers who were trying to steal any advertising money from my work would not respond to me disputing their fraudulent claim. RUclips seem to put up with these creeps but I suppose it would require them to prosecute these organizations and people themselves and that would cost a lot in time and money.
Next review video will be The Creator. One of the worst image quality 4K discs I've seen but I haven't finished checking every possibility yet to try to put it right.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I was about watch The Creator on a certain streaming platform to see if it’s worth buying, but I’ll await your review, John…
Sorry to read about the hassles of trying to put a bit of music into the reviews… after I read your reply, I thought “Forget it… just stick to funny hats at the end”… all the best
@@stephenfielding8914 I stick to using the music RUclips provide for users. It can take time to find something suitable at times and then I always get some moaning minnie complaining about the music. There are a lot of knowitalls out there who have never done anything. The Creator isn't a bad film, it's just my wife and I found it difficult to look past the poor image quality. Next time I watch it I'll be ready for it and so should be able to more enjoy the story and the great sound. I've hardly been able to get off the phone today so I didn't get very far but will give it another try tomorrow. John.
I have this set and it is a fabulous transfer although I’m still deciding whether or not I “like” the movie. I think a rewatch is in order especially since my OLED has been recently calibrated.
It's not the transfer Jim, it's the quality of the original shoot. This is the case with so many of these 4K discs where the films looked superior to most in the first place. It's a tough watch at times but I like it more and more each time I see it and this 4K enhances that further for me. I hope you find the same next time around. John.
Good review John..it’s a great movie, the violence is realistic and indicative of the times and people that are depicted.
Another great western, and even more gruesome and violent is Bone Tomahawk starring Kurt Russell, but be warned the violence is such in sections of the movie you have to look away. Brilliant movie nonetheless.
Incidentally John, what’s your screen size diagonally, and how far are you from it in your main seat?
Anything with Kurt Russell in it is something I want to watch and I haven't ever seen Bone Tomahawk so that's going on the list. Thank you for the recommendation Talat. I couldn't tell you what the diagonal measurement of the masked off white wall is but it's about ten feet wide. It's only 'Scope films that get the full width though so 1.78:1, 1.85:1, 1.66:1 and 1.33:1 are all a couple of feet narrower to maybe four feet narrower for 1.33:1. Being a film person I never got into diagonal measurements which were only ever used to fool people into thinking the telly they were buying was bigger than it really was. We sit about ten feet from the projected image so it packs a mighty wallop.
John.
@@moviecollector5920 I hear what you’re saying regards the diagonal measurement but you can’t get away from the diagonal measurement 😅 as whenever you read a home theatre article on a home cinema setup they talk about the size of the screen in its diagonal, granted they do also mention how wide the screen is in feet.
I’ve worked out that you’re screen is approximately 130” diagonal for your 2.35:1 @10ft wide.
That’s a big screen whicc I can imagine as you say packs a wallop.
@@SuperExige Film and cinema was always a side to side measurement. No need to exaggerate the size when you've got a 60 foot wide screen and so it went over into home cinema for those who had 16mm and/8mm and then later Super 8. Some even had 35mm and many more do today thanks to the cinemas scrapping their film projectors en masse during the big downgrade in 2011. John.
@@moviecollector5920 thank you for the education. One of the primary reasons I subscribed to your channel was due to the little gems you impart when you talk about film, the disc review as much as I also appreciate that is secondary for me, it’s the technical side I enjoy, especially if the original movie was shot on film, then when you talk about it you come into your own element.
Whereas I grew up watching films in cinemas, and at home on tv, I never ever got into the technicalities of it, I appreciate it now though. Even more so as we talk about how the 4K UHD transfer from 16mm/35m/65mm film captures the essence of the original medium.
In an any case, 10ft wide sounds way bigger than 130” 😄
@@SuperExige We would have a bigger screen but that would require a bigger room and this was about as big as we could find when looking just over two years ago. I might put the ten foot roll down screen in the living room now we're back to using a painted white wall (always best as it's cheap, flat and easily renovated if it ever needs doing). I grew up with Super 8 film and I always loved it whenever we had a film show. As the years went on I got into the whole film hobby increasingly and in the early 1990's I wanted to re-create what I was enjoying at The Empire and other cinemas as well as possible at home. To be able to do this now with budget home video projectors and cheap video discs is quite unbelievable to me. But however good video is and may get in the future, nothing will ever supplant my love for film nor my film collection. John.
Enjoyed your video I'm in the US I thought I ordered it from Amazon but it's coming from blockchain media so I hope it will be OK.
I hope it's the same BFI set that we have on the shelves here Roachman, but the most important thing is the 4K disc itself and you should find that's an outstanding example of image quality from a Super 35 shoot. It amazes me how much better even the lower quality 35mm films are compared to most of the movies shot on digital video these days. You'd think things would have moved on a level or two by now but I suppose it's the continual cost of upgrading multi-tens of thousands of pounds of equipment that's the obstacle whereas with film it was the film stock that kept getting the upgrades that constantly improved the end results. John.
Never heard of it but it looks like an interesting movie to check out. Good actors that should indicate some quality performances. Did you liked it?
I've liked it since I first saw it Morten but I haven't watched it often as I previously found the violence and occasional bloodthirsty killing a little difficult to work up the enthusiasm for. This time though it didn't bother me and all I saw was a quality film on a big screen that felt like I was back at The Empire in its heyday. John.
Titanic on 4k blow me away
Jolly good show. On the downside, he computer effects were terrible at times when seen on the 70mm blow-up I saw. A few of us actually laughed out loud once or twice. John.
Still waiting for titanic in 4k!
I have the LaserDisc if you want to borrow that. John.
Amazon USA only has the Blu-ray. No 4k.
A good reason not to use Amazon then in case it were needed. But perhaps it's only available over here for licencing reasons. John.
James Davidson over at Tech Radar has reviewed the latest from CES 2024 and is worried about AI and TV's. Especially the picture enhancement tools, which he says overly sharpens the picture and makes images look artificial, which absolutely does not surprise me. I already go to friend or client homes and see the advanced motion smoothing turned on ruining the picture. This will be a further removal of director's intent. Imagine a picture wiped with DNR like American Graffiti and then pumped with AI enhancement? That picture for me will be a lost movie. Joe
American Graffiti didn't suffer from image noise reduction in here Joe but that's quite possibly down to a television experience and a projection to a reasonable size. The film grain is there but I should have looked at it more closely on my telly as that was my first impression, the film grain had been removed. I was pleased to be wrong and just see a beautiful looking TechniScope image with fine film grain. I don't know if this is how master prints in 1973 would have looked but probably not now that I think about it because positive film stocks tended to have a more coarse grain appearance than negative stocks. It was one of the most impressive projections of a 4K disc I saw last year. But you do need to understand the detail most expect from a film to video transfer was never there in the first place. Think 16mm and you're almost there. I do think a lot of the perceived problems people are having is down to all the digital 'enhancements' on tellies. Every time I seem to look at my telly something else has turned itself on whereas I've always turned everything off or minimized it. They're basically computers and full of bugs. John.
It's a great film but the packaging claims it's a new 4K restoration from the OCN but I noticed white specks in the print on a few occasions, if it was a restoration then they shouldn't be there unless it's by design????
White specks are negative dust Andy so they don't need to be taken out at all. After a good clean then perhaps all mastering of the resultant video should leave a few of them in there. I know they stand out more on video that they do on a film print but nevertheless, it's what we would have seen when the film was first released. John.
@@moviecollector5920 thanks for the explanation John, you learn something new every day I guess 👍.
Watched it...............boring movie !
Are you serious Paul? If so, I'd be interested to know why you found it boring as it's important to listen to other opinions. John.