Bourbons & Whiskeys I'm NOT Buying Anymore!
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What? No Tall sizes?
The prices these days are outrageous. In my humble opinion, most are not worth the price. Thanks for the honesty.
As a community we need to just stick to the basic on the shelf all the time options until the market corrects itself. I just won't spend $75-$100 for a $35-$45 bottle, no matter how much fomo their is
You should see wine prices before you say bourbon is too expensive.
@@numanuma20wine on average is significantly less expensive. You can get great quality wine under $30
Hence why there making, younger age ones.
Certain wine region have overpriced themselves for most wine geeks like myself.
I think we are all getting over chasing bourbon. Too many available great options
Yup always something local or mass market that will equal or exceed something allocated.
I've moved to Scotch lately because I can always get whatever Islay currently fancy.
Good list. For me anything Whistlepig is a never going to happen again
I like their 10 Year. I'll try the 6 to see where that sits.
Old bartender here. (Yes, I remember the days of Blanton's costing $35.) Thanks so much for your presentation. It's direct and (hopefully) honest. I'm hoping that a least a few of the distilleries are listening. There's a few of us left that quite honestly can't afford the inflationary prices of whiskey, particularly bourbon. I realize these guys have to keep broadening their scope of products to stay competitive but high price doesn't necessarily mean high quality. Please do a part two of this presentation because there are lot more bourbons that fall into the "it's just not worth the price"
good call. Jason could prolly rattle off a ton more to make part 2, part 3, part 4, etc...
I totally agree, Charles. The prices are getting ridiculous!
1792 Full Proofs store picks have still been good for me. Still got love for them.
I’m pretty much over anything that exceeds $100. The juice is rarely worth the extra money when there’s many gems under that
in my journey through the varieties of whiskey I've found there are a lot of great whiskeys out there between 40 and 60 dollars. I was actually surprised Mellow Corn which is a 15 dollar whiskey is actually a great buy for the price
It's crazy how many stores near me do 1792 full proof store picks. Nothing in them blows me away but for $49.99 it's a solid barrel proof offering.
Same here in Lex KY
My thoughts exactly 👍
And at that price, they make sense... and then they get bought up and flipped...
I shouldn’t tell you the price for the regular 1792 Full Proof here in Germany .. You have to pay from 90-120 Euros for the regular one. And I wouldn’t pay 50 Euros for it.
What is your area? Here in Missouri, you can find the small batch, but none of the others.
I finally found a 1792 full proof and found it being a very good poor. I also found a 1792 Bottled in Bond which was absolutely amazing! I would purchase them any time that they were available at MSRP. However, I've lost the FOMO over bottles that either can't be found at MSRP or claim all sorts of gimmicks to appeal to a shopper where the bourbon just won't stand for itself! Great show as always! Cheers!
Same. I'm looking forward to things getting more reasonable. The allocation craze is just obnoxious.
I've had 3 picks of 1792 Full Proof from my local store, and they've all been great. Caveat - the neck pours are so hot, my first inclination is typically "drain pour". Give them a couple weeks to open up, and they morph into some really good bottles. Cheers!
I've had some 1792 Full Proofs where the neck pours aren't even hot. So they're out there. I had one where the neck pour drank about 115.
Great video - love seeing whiskey tube talk about these types of topics in addition to tasting notes. Helps us everyday bourbon drinkers have a better idea of what to chase and buy and what might not be worth it. I started my bourbon journey w/ Basil Hayden about 10 years ago and now I don't think you could give me a bottle of it. Thanks again for the great content and keep up the good work. Cheers!
I agree with every bottle on your list with the exception of 1792 full proof…I’ve only had one bottle that wasn’t great especially for the price…some have taken longer to open up though.
Thanks for sharing and being so transparent. I really enjoy that style content. A few of those bottles I had already given up on, mostly because of the pricing. I'm glad you shared some alternatives to them.
I hear ya! Thanks for the Colab w/ Randy Sullivan b.t.w. I support both of you, among many others. Great episode.
If people want a solid holiday whiskey I'd recommend Lucky Seven: Holiday Toast. It is Christmas in a bottle. As for MWND, I'll never give in to the inflated price.
Huge fan of the Holiday Toast!
disco11 is the xmas eve bottle
snagged a 15 year lucky seven barrel pick at my local shop. it's a top 5 bottle i've ever owned.
I've got a local here that has done a 1792 Barrel Proof store pick the last couple years. They've all been good and rang in around $45-$50 a bottle. Last one was out at the beginning of March and I was really happy with it.
Love this video and the list! Interestingly for me, I bought my first single barrel pick of 1792 FP from a Total Wine, and it’s fantastic! It opened my eyes to how good these can be, especially for the price.
I love the Willett 4 yo rye. $60 and barrell proof and still one of my favorites.
agreed. My palate likes the WFE 4yr rye but I can see why others don't. On the other hand, the WFE purple tops do not warrant their ridiculous prices.
We enjoy the 1792 Full Proof and got another this week! Smoke Wagon UU sits on the shelves here in Texas so I can get one anytime I want..but I have 2 sitting at home so guess that tells ya something? nice share! Thanks!
On the 1792 full proof front, I have scored 2 different store picks here in my area in Oregon , and they both were incredible, not only in taste, but for 55 bucks, I’m not sure of anything else I’d rather buy. They were perfectly proofy, and both had a very unique, rich palate and a nice finish to boot.
Love this video Jason, some of those bottles are way over priced, I did buy a Weller proof but I only paid $59.00 for, and my Rock Hill Farms I paid $55.00 for! 🥃🤘🏼
Great list, Jason, and I agree entirely except for the Willett 4 year Rye which is still one of my favorite ryes, and still isn't too expensive, especially compared to their bourbons which I agree are ridiculously $$$$. I had a great state liquor store pick of a 1792 Full Proof a few years back but since then I've liked the BiB better than the more recent picks which is too bad. I have also collected more MM picks than I should have and am tired of those also so done buying those as well.
Glad to see that someone shares the same sentiment on damn near all of these! The price point on most of these vastly outpaced the quality of the juice in the bottle.
1792 full proof is pretty wild on this list imo. The regular non store pick bottle is absolutely delicious to me. And for only like $50!
This is one of the best videos you’ve ever done! Thank you for making people aware that there’s better and more affordable stuff out there. The pricing on tater bottles is way out of control!
Great list. I am done with New Riff and Old Scout. I just haven't found any bottles or pours I really enjoyed.
Must be a different dimension you are in. I've YET to have a New Riff Single Barrel high proofs that wasn't Fantastic!!! I'm ALL in on them for the time being. I'm sure they will fall off like all the others but not as of yet they haven't!
Great review. As always, I appreciate your related experiences to what you’re drinking. Based on quality and price. One thing I’ll point out is wagon has holy Ben on our shelf for less than nine months. I’m west of St. Louis but still pretty close. Again, thanks for the review. I enjoyed it!
Really appreciate your brutal honesty!
My whiskey journey began with Blood Oath Pact 7 and it remains one of my all-time faves. However, the price point and the availability make them sooo hard to find. I am curious to see what Pact 10 will bring to the table, if it falls flat ---- I may agree with you and simply move on to something else....
I kind of agree on the Willet stuff, but more because I think the flavor profile changed over the last couple of years. The 4 year ryes used to be one of my go tos even at $60 a bottle. Had a bottle about a year and a half ago that I thought tasted off but chalked it up to a bad batch, however every bottle I've had since has had that same taste. Noticed a similar change in Old Bardstown too.
Solid video. As for Smoke Wagon I agree, except if you can find a store pick, those are the gems.
I agree. Particularly KY Owl after Dixon left. No longer the same. And the price! Woof!
Great video Jason! I’ve always like your honesty and opinions on bottles and the current whiskey market. I’m a huge fan of Makers but for me most of the private selects taste relatively the same and only a few stand out. After experiencing a lot of these special releases or bottles that FMO just grabs you I’m tired of getting burned and paying for a high dollar bottle that I enjoy less than a bottle I paid so much less for. Cheers all! 🥃
Agree!! Well sorta, Maybe because I am a big Makers fan, but I still think the store picks are good. A unique wheat whiskey for a good price and always easy to find. I always keep a bottle around for guests.
Picked up a 1792 Full Proof store pick a few weeks ago. I’ve had one pour and it was good. Not hot at all. Looking forward to see how it opens up. I am not a fan of the standard 1792 though.
I love how unlike so many other channels you’re always so honest 😊
I have been enjoying 1792 Full Proof picks lately. There was one in particular from a small, local store that I went back and repurchased twice. Also one that just came from Total Wine.
Great signature 1792 cherry flavors on all of them. Lots of caramel and vanilla. Just a solid bourbon with a touch of oak and lots of good flavors.
I gotta find some good ones. 1792 full proof seems to be the consensus on bottles that folks are still finding good ones.
Thank you! I 1000% agree on the Maker’s store picks! I also agree on the rest of your list with the exception of 1792 Full Proof. The standard bottle is much better than the store picks. I find the Elijah Craig Barrel Proof store picks to be less desirable than the standard bottles as well.
I was SO excited about Weller Full Proof, and two bottles in I was SO over it. Great list, agree totally, especially amburana, Woodford, and 1792. I would add Old Carter, only 1/8 bottles ($250/2 grand) was even remotely worth it. In fact, I've taken down the tents on almost all $100+ bottle buying...you just can't go wrong with ECBP, JDSBBP whiskey and rye, and MAYBE an occasional EHTBP, Michter 10yr or BP, or Handy Saz (at reasonable prices)
I always enjoy listening to your thoughts and reasoning. Cheers!
I agree with your choices! One I would say im done buying is HMK10. 2010 and 2011 barrel date bottles to me have been the last good ones. The newer ones have been a little lack luster to me on top of mark up and availability.
Thank you for the honesty! Especially you talking about "loving the story" behind something. The story and rarity are the drivers of price, IMHO I don't think there are bottles worth 150$ based ONLY on drinking qualities. Would people really pay 3x or more for a bottle of Weller 107 (8 years ago 30$ available bottle) vs Maker's Cask ?
willit was great at $56 bucks, in two years its sitting at 70 and thats just wild. I bought a willet 10 year for 400 and it was fun because i would never see that bottle for under a grand again it was cool, not worth money for just the whiskey.
I was never into chasing specific bottles, it was always the most fun finding rare over priced bottles at msrp.
This review slapped J! Agreed with every bottle you threw up until Rockhill, but that said, NEVER overpay for an-y-thing. Sure. I've got plenty of old dustys on my shelf now from the good days, but I'd still be walking past spuds and going through bottles of Very Old Barton.
Thanks again for sharing your wisdom unfiltered. You speak the truth! Grateful for you Jason!
No need to chase allocated bottles. So long as JDSBBP/JDSBBP RYE/ Sagamore/Knob Creek 12&Sib / ECBP /Makers store picks, are around I am happy. I have gotten to try so many unicorns and while they are all mostly great, to palate, they are not appreciably better than what can be readily found.
This is the profound truth about "fancy" bourbon/allocated
Love your honesty... I've never chased whiskey. I'm a good bit older than you and remember before the "boom". There aren't many I buy anymore. I do drink regular Makers Cask strength and Evan Williams BIB regularly. I mostly drink Rum now.
My list is pretty similar. I would probably much include the entire Weller Lineup though. I only buy them anymore when at msrp and that is primarily just for trade value. I feel there are far too many other options these days that fill those positions and are far more intriguing.
The first couple of bottles I had of Willet Rye were great, this last one not so much. The 1792 and Weller full proof I actually like but I've only had one of each. My limit is $100 unless it's truly something special, I would be just fine if Russell 10 and single barrel were the only bottles ever available. Always enjoy the videos
I totally agree on the smoke wagon take unfortunately. I tried the uncut unfiltered and standard offering a few months back and both were excellent. I got their small batch, uncut, and standard for myself a week or so ago and all of them were shockingly thin on the palate. I’m hoping future batches are better again, but I’m hanging back too for now
I'd say almost any hard-to-find BT whiskey is definitely worth the buy at MSRP (talking about the $30-150 MSRP bottles). The only issue is actually finding said bottles at those prices.
As for many of the whiskeys/bottles you've mentioned, I totally agree. I don't have any Angel's Envy, Kentucky Owl, MWND, or Woodford Reserve Master's Collection because they are just so expensive for what you get (proof and/or age-wise).
Great list! I agree with every single one you mentioned. There was a time when smoke wagon was at the top of their game, and I was completely obsessed with those earlier blends but they've dropped off for me recently. I still have a few of the earlier pre labeled batches of UCUF but those are getting nursed. I would also throw in ETL, and EHT. I'm kinda over those also.
Great video, thanks for making it. I totally agree on Smoke Wagon U/U. Sadly, I also have to agree on MWND - it’s just not worth the money they’re asking for it.
I’ll keep enjoying my A124 Larceny Barrel Proof & forget about WFP for now. Thanks
I wish there were more videos about this. I'm tired of new 'junk' bourbons that have fancy labels and bottles just for marketing. I'm tired of wasting my money. I always end up back at Wild Turkey 101. Please continue to review traditional tried and true bourbons from well established distilleries
Great video Jason! I agree with you on the 1792 FP. They drink too hot with not a lot of flavor, though I do like the 1792 line up in general.
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The more prices keep climbing, the more I am leaning back into my daily drinkers. I found some great bottles in the last 6 months, and maybe it was the hunt that I enjoyed when I could find them at retail, but so many allocated bourbons are getting beyond their value. Sadly, even Russel’s Reserve 13 getting near $200 makes me grab for Rare Breed or the occasional Russel Reserve single barrel.
Great video! Totally agree on the Makers, I’m over the stave combo, just give me a 46 or a 101 and call it a day. Cheers 🥃
Glad you mentioned Castle & Key. People seem to go nuts for them. I went to the distillery and I didn't think their juice was good at all. I never understood it.
The Barrell amburana finish from last year was one of my favorite new releases in 2023. Other than that I agree 100% with this list.
Got a bottle of Castle and Key from the distillery back in August last year and it's still good.
Great review. Our palates are spot on.
I Concur on every bottle you pushed off! Another great review Jason!
It's funny you mention the Penelope Rio. That is the only amburana finished whiskey I have and a single bottle of it is enough for me.
Definitely agree with most of these, especially rock hill farms. Had it for the first time recently and overall it was just really sweet and smooth and pleasant, nothing to distinguish it at all imo.
Jason - 3:34 Price, Palate and smaller distillery but you are missing one main factor: Availability. No one tater or buy backups of any bourbon that starts sitting on the shelf. Availability these days is getting better, quarter by quarter, month by month. A lot changed in the last one year or so. I am expecting a decent to major slowdown. Few states get more than others. Here in CA, we see OFSBBP Bourbon picks, RR picks, ECBP picks, 4Rs picks, etc started sitting on shelf most of the time.
yup, same here in IN and KY on those store picks. They got a little retail price hike and secondary went down so they're at equilibrium for now. But I'm guessing the price will drop a little within a year.
Great video. I feel congruent wuth the list, especially as there's more on the list I have passed on than purchased. Maybe the entire list. I watched while sipping Pinhook Bourbon War (7 year old MGP), thinking I must find the next release in 2024. I will probably not purchase an Old Forester 1920 (Bourbon War so much more my current jam also at 115 proof) or Redbrest with coloring. I have Eagle Rare at the top of my buy list wherever I shop. Cheers
Great video. Love the concept of this video and the one you did with its bourbon night about not hunting bourbon anymore.
I agree on the makers picks and stave series. I find the bottles to be very expensive and inconsistent. After having one good bottle out of five, it’s not worth the money. I’ve purchased the full proof items and found them to taste like nothing but alcohol.
I agree on the Angels envy and rabbit hole derringer. The finishing does leave a nice hint of wine flavor but It was a bust for me. More hype than it was worth.
I’ve been disappointed with my last purchases of Russell’s 10, rare breed, and Russell’s single barrel. It’s lost the tobacco, deep red fruit, and barrel char notes. Very disappointed. My guess is the quality of the blends and cheaper single barrels is suffering because the older better product is being sold as higher priced offerings that many of us cannot afford.
I also quit buying any of the more expensive old forester products after getting bitter nasty rotten barrel flavors. My first bottle of the old fine whiskey and the bottled in bond was amazing but anything I’ve bought in the last 4 years has been really bad. I don’t buy any woodford stuff anymore either. They share barrels and it shows. Not my jamb.
I quit buying knob creek and started buying old grand dad 115. My last few bottles of kc have not been good at all. Tasted like green oak and lost the many flavors I used to love. I’d rather the simple citrus flavors of the old grand dad.
My first bottle of bourbon was Elijah Craig barrel proof and it got me hooked on bourbon. I’ve had several over the last 5 years that were disappointing. Tastes of permanent marker and less complexity. Now the age is going down and the quality seems to be doing the same. I won’t buy those anymore either.
I think the fun has been sucked out of bourbon to an extend due to the bourbon fomo hype machine coupled with the drop in quality due to the overwhelming demand brought on by people sitting at home during COVID and getting hooked on bourbon. That and the skyrocketing price and lack of availability for the high profile items makes hunting not worth it. The overall experience recently has me looking more to value purchases like benchmark full proof and OGD 115.
I always have a backup of Smoke Wagon UCUF. Still worth the price but I agree the notes have changed a bit.
I would give Castle & Key another shot. It is becoming one of my favorite daily sippers. Agree pretty much with the rest of the list. Great video
Spot on for so many of your choices here.
Agree: 1792 FP (too hot) and MWND (too many great cheaper options now)
Disagree: Blood Oath (if you can get at MSRP). I’m not a proof hound, and the flavours in those blends are usually excellent. Nice unique pour for the price.
Willett Rye. As a rye fan, it’s one of my personal faves even at that price. It tastes every bit worth it. Sometimes I’ll even throw it in a cocktail (outrageous).
Thanks for this, and PLEASE Continue to keep it real!. Otherwise stuff like Traveler Whiskey would be sold out for months, just due to the celebrity tie in and FOMO. I'm going to keep searching out the value bottles
You crushed it with this list and captured my thoughts perfectly
That is an extremely solid list. I have no quibble with anything you said.
Love the video. I’m with you on this, I’m a big Smoke Wagon fan but the earlier releases of the uncut were much better, but the return of the private barrels have been really good. Weller full proof is a buy at retail but not more, 107 is better anyways. Rockhills is still a bottle that i cant get because of the mark up and I’m not willing to paying it. Willett rye is nice but the price is to high for what it is, do like to have one on hand to pair with fish tho. 🥃👍🏼
Great show! I have to agree pretty much 100%. If I'm paying, the whiskey better be good. Got a bottle of Angel Envy Rum finished for $70 (went out on a limb) and it totally reinforced my purist attitude. Won't ever try one of the Amburana finish or any other fad finished whiskeys...I'm drinking bourbon and rye and that's what I want. As for price, it's ridiculous...I'm just waiting for the disco series to raise their price and that will be another series that bites the dust.
That's a very solid list and it's hard to argue against any of them. I did recently buy a Willett rye, but it was partly because I'd never had one before and was curious.
For the 1792, I just got a great store pick in Upstate NY. I agree that the old ones were almost always drinking hot. The one I got was much smoother and I love it. I hope this isn't a unicorn.
Anything Amburana! Nailed it, i agree with this video. Appreciate the honesty, thats why your one of the best 🥃😎
More channels need to do these videos. So over all of the hype and my local spots trying to price gouge their locals
Man, you nailed this list - other than maybe the 1792 FP - store picks can sell be had for < $50 and are fantastic values.
I remember Rock Hill Farms from 20 years ago. Loved it. Also could just go buy it. I hadn’t had any in years and tried some in a bar. Was really disappointed. Agree with you.
Lots of Bourbons sitting on the shelf lately. I messed up yesterday probably but dang a thirty dollar increase. They had a Russels sib CN-B ten years old for $92.00. I love Russels but that’s Uigeadail money.
This was a fun and refreshing vid, agree on all.
I'd say I like MM SP's but only if I can get around $60-65.
WFP never seemed that great tasting to me, even closer to retail.
Agree that when you can get LBP or ECBP around $70-100, most 100pf or cookie cutter releases going above $100 just doesn't make sense.
I was paying $45 for Rock Hill Farm, then I switched to single malt whiskeys and just came back to bourbon last year. The price blew my mind. I'm also over the pay $125 a month just for the chance to buy one of our bottles type deals that are popping up with certain producers.
I had a 1792 store pick from a local store and it was absolutely delicious
I can’t help but notice the Cooper’s Craft 100 didn’t make your no rebuy list. Great video!
I've had 1792 Full Proof picks that are really solid (especially at the price). Recently grabbed one from K&L in SF and it rivaled some of the older Lucky Seven releases.
So I’m a Bourbon noobie, and this channel has by far been the most helpful, I’ve learned so much the past week just from watching your videos. Thanks so much Jason!
I wish I could be out on Rock Hill Farms or Weller Full Proof but I've never seen them in the wild LOL! I thought last year's Castle & Key bourbon was OK but not worth the 60 bucks.
Great video. Makes a lot of sense. Agree with all of them
💯 on all of your list!! There's so much out there, and very few bottles are worth the chase or paying over MSRP. Knowing which bottles you can ignore and not have any FOMO over helps narrow your search to high quality, affordable and attainable bottles. Great stuff Jason!! 🥃
This is a solid list. Most of these are on my list as well... except for the RHF. I have yet to own a bottle of that one.
Rock Hill Farm great looking bottle out of the price chase for me. Eagle Rare Store pick seems to be a great alternative.
Totally agree on the SWUCUF. I hunt the 2022 or younger. The new bottles just lack the special flavor. We've done blinds with the new and old. Night and Day difference.
💯 with you on almost all of those, and especially on the makers private selection series. The market on those is saturated. They’re always in stock and there are always so many of them.
I’m curious to see how many views, likes and comments you get with this one. I think your timing is spot on with this particular topic.
My first reaction was that I really agreed with you on most of your bottles. But then I realized that you could’ve picked another 10 or 12 bottles and I would’ve agreed with them, too.
I’m like Forrest Gump after all his running. “ I’m pretty tired now”.
I could have definitely picked more but as you said I wanted to start a dialogue and create a list.
Agree with you on most of those.
I just traded for a MWND this year as it’s a bottle I’ve never owned and I’m glad I did, but that Sagamore Port finish does best it for sure.
I’m actually a fan of the Willett rye, but definitely have to be in the mood for it, because of the unique flavor profile. Granted the one I have right now isn’t super dilly either.
I have yet to get my hands on a Weller Full Proof, tried it at a bar and thought it was good. I’ll definitely get one if given the chance, but I’m not going crazy overpaying for it.
Totally agree with the MWND and also the SWUCUF. Haven’t found myself gravitating towards a smoke wagon UCUF in a while. Cheers man, good list
Enjoyed it. Interesting list.
Great video. Unfortunately, I think I'd add JMCB to the list. I know they are looking for significant batch to batch variations, so it's not like it's a flaw in their process, but for me the chance that you could get a great batch or a bad batch isn't worth the $225 price tag. I had one batch that I'd buy again all day. I had another batch that I gave away because after multiple efforts to like it, I just couldn't get there. Every time I poured it I thought "maybe I'll like it this time" and just never got there.
The Rock Hill Farms was tough to see but I totally get it. I opened my 2nd bottle and wondered why I was so fixated on getting that 2nd bottle. Was good but not all that 🤷♂️