I love Mr Cubans attitude, 'There is no job on the basketball court that I would not to'. Leaders lead by exactly. So many people have pride which prohibits them from impacting their organisation.
@@lgroots8691 I think you are confused on my meaning. My comment has nothing to do with cash. I’m assuming he’s good there unless he’s blowing his money like a rapper. I’m talking about planning how to spend your days. When you’ve done the same thing everyday your entire life and it changes, it can be hard to adapt.
I like Draymond’s commentating on tv and I like how he handles the interview on his show. Mark is a talented businessman with good insight. Thanks for the video!!! GOD bless!!!
After this interview, I just realized that this small niche these NBA RUclipsrs have is potentially limitless. We don't just wanna hear about players, sometimes it's refreshing to hear the people behind the NBA Team. If I was draymond I'd make a short Docu about a hardworking arena employee and maybe give him a car or something or an aspiring player's routine hoping to get a 10-day, or maybe a dubs cheerleader's day in the life. They don't have any idea how much people would love to see that.
I knew the answer from my 12 years around MC, but I still came for this ti know exactly what I could say publicly. BIG money moves and long term vision. Mad love and respect Mr. Cuban!
Basically saying he has no cash. Every time he wants to invest in a tech or media company he’s gotta sell something cuz all the cash is tied up in the Mavs
Sports gambling has been around forever it’s not ruining sports, the only thing ruining sports is the era we live in and all the bad things that come with it like the sports media covering gambling so much instead of just ignoring like they always have
It’s always happened, now it’s just in the open. What’s ruining sports is the dumb rule changes to favor more offense and nerf defenses ability to defend. People like Lebron who made flopping a part of the game deserve blame too.
@@rickyricardo6730 I have !!!! Any more questions?? My kids are black my wife is black I have definitely said the same thing to a white person so take the racist bait to someone else sorry you missed with me
@@rickyricardo6730 I’ve also had a white person tell me the same so first learn the definition of articulate b4 you attempt to make something about race 🤡
Sure you have and you should never start with my such and such is black. Anyways I didn't call you racist, maybe it was somewhat implied based your inference. Maybe prejudiced, I think everybody has a little of that in them.
@@rickyricardo6730 Its because he's an athlete dipshlt, assumption is that someone that plays sports professionally isn't the smartest person, maybe you should stop inferring race and realize it was because the preconceived notion of being a jock. But race baiting for no reason to try to attack a random person on the internet and virtue signal really gets you off huh?
He wanted to increase his liquidity before a period in which he will be able to use this liquidity while others suffer a big loss. As soon as the next bubble bursts he will A) not get as much for the team and B) will be able to invest all this liquidity into the market at a huge discount compared to now
He really thinks gambling will pass in the near future and teamed up with the most famous and wealthiest casino owners out there. And if it doesn’t happen for some reason he still made a ton of money while still being a huge part of the team. Really a no brainer.
Cuban is super smart I hate he left Shark Tank. He still owns 27% of the Mavericks and is still in charge of basketball operations. Now for the power flip, Mark Cuban paid $285 million for this team in 2000. and in 2023 made $3.5 billion for selling on 73% of his stake fcking wow. No diamond necklace with his name on it. No car sitting on 32's No pictures holding a money phone, no diamond grill. ( level up brothers) His net worth up to 5.4 billion and still is holding another billion with his 27% that's a power move. Let me put this in comparison. Michael Jordan purchased the Hornets in 2010 for $275 million and recently sold his entire 90% majority stake in the team for $3 billion. Both amazing flips and the only great business deal Jordan ever made but notice how Cuban negotiated he retain 27% and look how much he made. Random Info: Speaking of Jordan did you know his deal with Nike only pays him 5% of Jordan sales annually. Like I always said he was the GOAT player, a bad owner ( losers every year picked bad players) and a very poor businessman. How did Nike get away with that deal? Jordans have been out since 1984-85 yet Jordan's net worth before the sale of the team was only $1.9 billion ( I know I said only lol) Here is why I said only in the past 7 years from Jordans only NIke has made 32 billion dollars now imagine what they have made in the 40 years smh. I approximate they have made $100 billion yet look at Jordans net worth.
From all the previous media interviews about the team sale with Mark, I could never tell if the answer was really as straightfoward as Mark was making it. After watching this clip and Draymond interviewing, I finally feel like I understand the reason Mark sold the majority of the team and it makes sense from a financial perspective, as well as Mark continuing to enjoy ownership, and making sure the Mavericks are successful in the future.
Draymond you have a niche for journalism than i thought...like it's just amazing...and then Mark Cuban..that my guy. I have request for you, we have Copa America coming here in USA and there after World Cup...please find some of the Big Soccer players....would be nice to hear from someone like Mbappe, Your Boy Neiymer who will be here for Copa.....or even the Old Legend like Thiery Henry....one of my favorite EPL player ever....Dray you are...please consider that and continue doing your thing bro...
very wise to learn your limitations and do what you love best and are successful at , there in lies the joy and keeps your kids and friends happy as mick jagger sings
@@DEEiBe with the betting it runs the risk of games being fixed. Players have complained about fans sending threats to them if the player didn’t score enough etc so that the fan could’ve won big 💰. It makes more money for the league but it increases widespread gambling addictions, ruining families, relationships, and society at large. It’s being pushed because capitalism knows no bounds and is instead focused on growth and profit at all costs etc
Not as a starter he would thrive with kai when kai is running the second unit. Because green can rebound and assist tbh he and a better Sg is what dallas needs i kinda wish dallas would go after green in the offseason also w paul george, Having LUKA, KAI, PG, DGREEN, Gafford, lively, PJ, DJJ, and the others would be something crazy
@@LILSOULY well they already built him a team and they are threats to beat anybody in the west now that's a literal fact at this point. Anyone that has any knowledge of the past knows the only reason Dirk didn't get more rings is because Cuban could never afford to compete financially and sign big assets. Same with Luka, Cuban couldn't afford shit or didn't wanna spend shit so he sold majority stake to one of the richest people on the planet. Regardless of the bullshit narrative people love to spin he ain't going anywhere, no matter what happens for the remainder of the season they are set to outbid anyone period.
@@LILSOULYLuka wants to stay where he is. He can shoot and dominate the ball as much as he wants. He’s been Top 3 in usage rate like the last 3 seasons. It’s like people who whined aloud Phoenix or Sacramento not drafting him. He wasn’t going to be able to hog the ball with Devin Booker or DeAaron Fox, as a rookie. He was able to do that in Dallas with guys like Dennis Smith Jr and Harrison Barnes. Him going to a new team with established stars, trying to monopolize the ball will just cause strife. While he’s better than Harden, he’ll have to become more of a facilitator and scorer, like he did when he went to play with KD & Kyrie in BK.
Man nash was so good. He was so tough. If dallas woulda had him in 06 mavs sweep miami even with tha refs against dallas! But i still go watch those highlights from 06 dwade getting 25 pts just off free throws was bullshit. You cant call a foul with 1 second left for him to win a game either
Draymond & Mark thanks for the most entertaining moment heartfelt to me more than anything cause I love Mark Cuban as OWNER N PERSON 13:23 great for business I want to thank him for stretching is hand to Kyrie Irving may God continue blessing you In future endeavor much love .
Lol I agree the best part of owning a team would be able to celebrate with the team on the court lol... imagine some new security trynna stop an owner , " mofo I own this whole ass team and stadium"
On google it says he sold a share idk how much but 3.5 billion is crazy when u know Dallas is probably playoff material atleast 3-5 more seasons straight he can probably buy back or reinvest in his children . Respect the nepo
If sitting with the bench staff is “unbecoming of an owner” it clearly explains the wokeness coming out of NBA exec decisions. How dare you mingle the lower class.
It’s none of that. Mark saw more people becoming aware of the SA issues in the organization and how little he did to address or prevent it. Mark allowed multiple women to suffer SA and did nothing.
Draymond (and other podcasts) would be so much better if they went through "media training." The same way music artists are missing out on "artist development." That's probably why so many people like Shannon Sharpe's podcast because he's still a country ghetto guy, but who has had media training. Better yet the fellas on TNT are relatable and are balanced by Ernie.
Draymond and Mark are talking business. They are too funny. Thank you both for sharing this.
Draymond is exceptional with his questions. Very impressed.
I love Mr Cubans attitude, 'There is no job on the basketball court that I would not to'. Leaders lead by exactly. So many people have pride which prohibits them from impacting their organisation.
Speak English
@@ActionJacksonForeverthought I was geekin’
He definitely led by exactly
Smart of Draymond to plan for post retirement with this podcast. Age catches up to everyone
These podcasts are a dime a dozen and not making them much money in the long run.
Plan for his retirement? Dude doesn’t have to plan another day in the rest of his life…
@@lgroots8691 I think you are confused on my meaning. My comment has nothing to do with cash. I’m assuming he’s good there unless he’s blowing his money like a rapper. I’m talking about planning how to spend your days. When you’ve done the same thing everyday your entire life and it changes, it can be hard to adapt.
@@staunchlyspeaking
Ah for sure I got you now. Then yes you’re right he’s smart for planning retirement in that case….
Right but I’m blown away how these athletes can’t love a lifetime with one single contract.. give me 100 mill I would never ever go broke
Salute to mark for not becoming Jerry jones‼️🎯
Or Donald Sterling!
@@UKDazmanI’m fine with either one.
I love how Humble Mark is. 😎💪🏽
I like Draymond’s commentating on tv and I like how he handles the interview on his show.
Mark is a talented businessman with good insight.
Thanks for the video!!!
GOD bless!!!
You asked all the right questions, thanks for this interview.
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Cuban has shown himself to have the ability to see around corners. His decision to sell is the right move.
Yep something bad is about to happen he has a keen sense of the future
After this interview, I just realized that this small niche these NBA RUclipsrs have is potentially limitless. We don't just wanna hear about players, sometimes it's refreshing to hear the people behind the NBA Team. If I was draymond I'd make a short Docu about a hardworking arena employee and maybe give him a car or something or an aspiring player's routine hoping to get a 10-day, or maybe a dubs cheerleader's day in the life. They don't have any idea how much people would love to see that.
This is a great segment. Thanks Draymond
He got $3.5 billion for selling 75 %, he wanted the $3billion that's why he sold it.
But he still had to split with investors. Bur I know he got his bag.
That's quite the return. He paid a little under 300 million
Where you find that at?
Yea but he’s going to get that money back when they get that casino up and running in Dallas..
Yeah and when the players have to score as the casino tells them too😂
I knew the answer from my 12 years around MC, but I still came for this ti know exactly what I could say publicly. BIG money moves and long term vision. Mad love and respect Mr. Cuban!
As a Rangers Fan, I hate that I can’t watch games regular Tv
Was free with an antenna for decades man I can’t even be mad at them for not giving it out free anymore
Great interview. Nice to have 2 great guys, JJ and Green doing these shows.
Basically saying he has no cash. Every time he wants to invest in a tech or media company he’s gotta sell something cuz all the cash is tied up in the Mavs
Great episode bro. Keep it up OG!
MC just made the biggest flip.
Respect
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I skipped the interview. Seen this clip, then went to watch the entire interview. All I can say is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Is Mark wearing lipstick?
Glazing hard 😂😂😂
Saw this clip,…
Haha, smart approach for a lot of the BS on RUclips. Best way to reduce click-bait frustration.
The player I can relate the most to (playing style and size) interviewing the business owner I admire most. Great interview guys.💯🎯
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So much respect for Draymond, always striving to learn more.
Everything but how to control his emotions 😂😂😂
“So much respect for him” why because he has to start his podcast
@@JackieSchofueld you probably subscribe to bro
Sports gambling is ruining sports in so many ways. The ‘new media’ should absolutely be taking a stance against it.
Sports gambling has been around forever it’s not ruining sports, the only thing ruining sports is the era we live in and all the bad things that come with it like the sports media covering gambling so much instead of just ignoring like they always have
It’s always happened, now it’s just in the open. What’s ruining sports is the dumb rule changes to favor more offense and nerf defenses ability to defend.
People like Lebron who made flopping a part of the game deserve blame too.
Mark cuban is not gambling
What are you actually talking about 🧐
@@Ryanlexz hes building a casino into the arena…
Fantastic interview 👏🏼👏🏼
i was watching inside the NBA , and man there was alot of hate having Green on the show but to be honest he actually is a good fit.
At first thought this way however dude does have great Bball knowledge.
Mark, Draymond :
Tks., much appreciative.
Draymond your interviews are 🔥bro I love how articulate you are , the questions the vibe of your interviews I respect ya intellect keep going 🔥🔥🔥
I love how you articulate yourself. I wonder, have you ever said that to a white man?
@@rickyricardo6730 I have !!!! Any more questions?? My kids are black my wife is black I have definitely said the same thing to a white person so take the racist bait to someone else sorry you missed with me
@@rickyricardo6730 I’ve also had a white person tell me the same so first learn the definition of articulate b4 you attempt to make something about race 🤡
Sure you have and you should never start with my such and such is black. Anyways I didn't call you racist, maybe it was somewhat implied based your inference. Maybe prejudiced, I think everybody has a little of that in them.
@@rickyricardo6730 Its because he's an athlete dipshlt, assumption is that someone that plays sports professionally isn't the smartest person, maybe you should stop inferring race and realize it was because the preconceived notion of being a jock. But race baiting for no reason to try to attack a random person on the internet and virtue signal really gets you off huh?
I want to meet this guy Cuban so bad … and I will his energy is crazy he gives off that follow me you’ll get somewhere energy
This man reminds me of my Papa,best man I ever knew..he behaved like Socrates..We need knowledge and perspective
He wanted to increase his liquidity before a period in which he will be able to use this liquidity while others suffer a big loss. As soon as the next bubble bursts he will A) not get as much for the team and B) will be able to invest all this liquidity into the market at a huge discount compared to now
He really thinks gambling will pass in the near future and teamed up with the most famous and wealthiest casino owners out there. And if it doesn’t happen for some reason he still made a ton of money while still being a huge part of the team. Really a no brainer.
Mark one of the reasons why I love The Dallas team, for an owner and a billionaire having that kind of passion in the game is a breath of fresh air.
Mark Cuban has this youthful vibe about him. He carries himself like a 20 year old tech mogul.
Good interview Dray
Sports bars are gonna make sure sports stay on tvs forever
Indeed, this is a sound business advice!
Great interview Dre!!
Good stuff Dray , you got yourself a new subscriber 👍
always happy, always busy , always winning , he’s perfected the art
Cuban is super smart I hate he left Shark Tank. He still owns 27% of the Mavericks and is still in charge of basketball operations. Now for the power flip, Mark Cuban paid $285 million for this team in 2000. and in 2023 made $3.5 billion for selling on 73% of his stake fcking wow. No diamond necklace with his name on it. No car sitting on 32's No pictures holding a money phone, no diamond grill. ( level up brothers) His net worth up to 5.4 billion and still is holding another billion with his 27% that's a power move. Let me put this in comparison. Michael Jordan purchased the Hornets in 2010 for $275 million and recently sold his entire 90% majority stake in the team for $3 billion. Both amazing flips and the only great business deal Jordan ever made but notice how Cuban negotiated he retain 27% and look how much he made. Random Info: Speaking of Jordan did you know his deal with Nike only pays him 5% of Jordan sales annually. Like I always said he was the GOAT player, a bad owner ( losers every year picked bad players) and a very poor businessman. How did Nike get away with that deal? Jordans have been out since 1984-85 yet Jordan's net worth before the sale of the team was only $1.9 billion ( I know I said only lol) Here is why I said only in the past 7 years from Jordans only NIke has made 32 billion dollars now imagine what they have made in the 40 years smh. I approximate they have made $100 billion yet look at Jordans net worth.
When did he leave Shark Tank?..I haven't watched in a whole but I thought he was still on there
Wrong. He sold 73% at a 3.5 billion valuation so he got 2.6 billion.
Congratulations Draymond on your channel..really picking up!
Good interview. Good questions
Is Draymond interviewing for a job in Dallas post Golden States? 😂😂😂
Tbh, he would fit into Dallas' system fairly well. 🤔
@@mitchell102FACTS
Probably more like a potential business relationship.
From all the previous media interviews about the team sale with Mark, I could never tell if the answer was really as straightfoward as Mark was making it. After watching this clip and Draymond interviewing, I finally feel like I understand the reason Mark sold the majority of the team and it makes sense from a financial perspective, as well as Mark continuing to enjoy ownership, and making sure the Mavericks are successful in the future.
Draymond you have a niche for journalism than i thought...like it's just amazing...and then Mark Cuban..that my guy. I have request for you, we have Copa America coming here in USA and there after World Cup...please find some of the Big Soccer players....would be nice to hear from someone like Mbappe, Your Boy Neiymer who will be here for Copa.....or even the Old Legend like Thiery Henry....one of my favorite EPL player ever....Dray you are...please consider that and continue doing your thing bro...
Dray, your doing a great job with your research, and your questions. I like that you don't pander to the guests.
Dray is a great interviewer... congrats!
This is about the game, all the right questions...
“Mark why you sold the mavs?” 11:43 😉
TL;DW=His angle: Freeing up money for "potential future investments" ~> Casinos
3 Billion
@@bicoastalworldwide crazy man
Marc Cuban out here codeswitching lol
Congratulations Dallas team 🏀🏀🏀🏀🏀🎉🎉🎉🍾🎊🎊🎂🎂🎂💪💪💪💪💪💪👍👍👍👍👍👍
Mark is so damn likeable
MC IS JUST AWESOME 🤣😂🤣👍🏻DRAY THANKS FOR THIS ONE ☝🏼
He lives out loud. Likeable guy.
except when he punching kids in the face for no reason, you don’t see him for what he is instead of behind a camera don’t be fooled so easily
@@yamiletcruz3178 I just googled “Mark Cuban punch kids” and nothing came up.
very wise to learn your limitations and do what you love best and are successful at , there in lies the joy and keeps your kids and friends happy as mick jagger sings
I wish Mark Cuban would say “right?” more!
He sold because he knows there aren’t many U.S. multi-billionaires left who can afford the high price for teams.
Draymond is a personality
formal when talking, kinda intelligent, can be a giant goon on the court
Who knew 😊
Gambling on sports is the worst thing that could have happened
Yup this is what’s going to ruin the league
@@rafeeqwarfield9690explain how it’s ruining the league
@@DEEiBe with the betting it runs the risk of games being fixed. Players have complained about fans sending threats to them if the player didn’t score enough etc so that the fan could’ve won big 💰. It makes more money for the league but it increases widespread gambling addictions, ruining families, relationships, and society at large. It’s being pushed because capitalism knows no bounds and is instead focused on growth and profit at all costs etc
Great interview. He’s done a lot of amazing things with the team too bad some Dallas fans don’t appreciate Mark’s.
When you subtly place a Nature Made box in your video calls, you can charge them
like Nascar stickers!
3:29 How did Mark cuban put together a business team if he sucked at it? Is there someone you can hire to help with that process?
I have the utmost respect for both of these guys…. Both very dangerous men, no funny!!!
I’d rather have 25% of a watermelon than 100% of a grape
Great interview!
Draymond would be great on the Mavs.
Not as a starter he would thrive with kai when kai is running the second unit. Because green can rebound and assist tbh he and a better Sg is what dallas needs i kinda wish dallas would go after green in the offseason also w paul george,
Having LUKA, KAI, PG, DGREEN, Gafford, lively, PJ, DJJ, and the others would be something crazy
Draymond is going to the Pistons
Draymond isn't going anywhere
What’s the deal with the Nature Made box?
Yall musta forgot about Pat Croce..He was the first owner/partial owner to be visible with the Sixers back in the Allen Iverson era
I think he was just the general manager
Naw he was more than a GM
This really locks up Luka them people worth 40 billion plus
So is other teams Luka wants to win and he will leave if they don’t
@@LILSOULY well they already built him a team and they are threats to beat anybody in the west now that's a literal fact at this point. Anyone that has any knowledge of the past knows the only reason Dirk didn't get more rings is because Cuban could never afford to compete financially and sign big assets. Same with Luka, Cuban couldn't afford shit or didn't wanna spend shit so he sold majority stake to one of the richest people on the planet. Regardless of the bullshit narrative people love to spin he ain't going anywhere, no matter what happens for the remainder of the season they are set to outbid anyone period.
@@LILSOULYLuka wants to stay where he is. He can shoot and dominate the ball as much as he wants. He’s been Top 3 in usage rate like the last 3 seasons. It’s like people who whined aloud Phoenix or Sacramento not drafting him. He wasn’t going to be able to hog the ball with Devin Booker or DeAaron Fox, as a rookie.
He was able to do that in Dallas with guys like Dennis Smith Jr and Harrison Barnes. Him going to a new team with established stars, trying to monopolize the ball will just cause strife. While he’s better than Harden, he’ll have to become more of a facilitator and scorer, like he did when he went to play with KD & Kyrie in BK.
Wait til you find out that the NBA has a salary cap and they can't pay players out of their own pockets
Damn I never thought I’d see the day! The mavericks almost won this year
Draymond painted mark into a corner. Niko has job security forever lmao
Great interview
Cuban kno the league rigged 😂😂😂😂😂
Wish he get up to 33% stake and changes the language to actually be "basketball operations", on paper.
He still owns 27%
Mark Cuban tried to buy the Pirates and would have been an awesome baseball owner. Yet mlb wouldn't let him buy a team.
"When you know you know"😂
Casually saying some owners won their ownership in a poker game is crazy 😂 idk if he meant that literally but damn, the thought is wild
I mean he's exaggerating but probably not by much.
The only guy I wish Mark would have been loyal to is Steve Nash. 💯
He admitted it we would have won more with Dirk and Steve 💯
Man nash was so good. He was so tough. If dallas woulda had him in 06 mavs sweep miami even with tha refs against dallas! But i still go watch those highlights from 06 dwade getting 25 pts just off free throws was bullshit. You cant call a foul with 1 second left for him to win a game either
The Suns backed up the truck for Nash, but I'm sure Mark agrees in retrospect.
Cuban regretted trading Nash. He has made that clear.
Love Mark Cuban!!!
Draymond & Mark thanks for the most entertaining moment heartfelt to me more than anything cause I love Mark Cuban as OWNER N PERSON 13:23 great for business I want to thank him for stretching is hand to Kyrie Irving may God continue blessing you In future endeavor much love .
So the team owners also own the casinos. Yet people say the the NBA isn’t rigged. Go figure
And that means what exactly?
That was some of the smoothest ass kissing I have seen...
😂😂😂
Did mark cuban just bro draymond?🤣 8:00
“Absolutely” 😂
Lol I agree the best part of owning a team would be able to celebrate with the team on the court lol... imagine some new security trynna stop an owner , " mofo I own this whole ass team and stadium"
At end of the day, it’s how deep your wallet gets! His investments paid off, rather be lucky than good. Cuban for POTUS.😂😂
People don’t know Draymond got many billionaires friends . He is ahead of the game already.
He lives in the bay
Because Mark knows the NBA viewership is declining. Mark got out when the price is high. That's why Jordan got out too.
It's not around the world
On google it says he sold a share idk how much but 3.5 billion is crazy when u know Dallas is probably playoff material atleast 3-5 more seasons straight he can probably buy back or reinvest in his children . Respect the nepo
Mark is good with his choice. He's enjoying not being the captain
If sitting with the bench staff is “unbecoming of an owner” it clearly explains the wokeness coming out of NBA exec decisions. How dare you mingle the lower class.
Thinking same thing. What’s so wrong with owners sitting with staff regardless of the level of the staff. Just wow.
Nobody is more woke than Mark
Exactlyyy
Made mistake of thinking there was probably something wrong basketball wise with the Mavs, when I heard Cuban was selling.
Fined for mingling. Stern was a mf. He was necessary, but shit
Is Mark in on Nokia 3310 camera? :D
He understands that the downturn is coming..
I think if draymond is not on the warriors this year he will be on the mavs a great fit for what they are doing
F no Draymond is a head case and he is getting older… He is not worth the headache on a winning team..
It’s none of that. Mark saw more people becoming aware of the SA issues in the organization and how little he did to address or prevent it. Mark allowed multiple women to suffer SA and did nothing.
Inassume is starting a sports betting company...
Draymon to Dallas asap
yeah then dallas will suck even more and will lose more games lol
lol kyrie and draymond it’d be Jordan Poole pt 2
I thought he had a lot of makeup on when he went on lex
Mark Cuban is Mr 100 iykyk
Thanks for this dre plus what a fuckin block last night good stuff but dubs go whoop them rockets
Draymond (and other podcasts) would be so much better if they went through "media training." The same way music artists are missing out on "artist development." That's probably why so many people like Shannon Sharpe's podcast because he's still a country ghetto guy, but who has had media training. Better yet the fellas on TNT are relatable and are balanced by Ernie.
Man I don’t like that he sold the team. there’s no telling if the mavs will stay in Dallas.
Smart guy sell before the crash