Leaving Neverland - Legit or S#!t? w/ Vince Russo, RazörFist, Stevie Richards, Bin Hamin & Jeff Lane
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- Опубликовано: 14 мар 2019
- On this special episode of Vince Russo's The Brand, the innocence or guilt of Michael Jackson is argued in both a heated and intelligent debate as Vince is joined by regular Brand contributors Stevie Richards, Bin Hamin, and Jeff Lane, along with special guest RazorFist! Razor's immensely popular trilogy of episodes defending Michael Jackson are taking every allegation towards the King of Pop by Wade Robson and James Safechuck in the HBO documentary Leaving Neverland to task, but what happens when the Horsemen Bin and Stevie disagree? A can't miss episode of The Brand, that's what! Brought to you by RussosBrand.com
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MJ I'm defending you,who's with me?!
Anyone with a brain ...who relies on truth ....anyone who needs facts vs. Feelings...those are the people with you...#MJIsInnocent.....
Me
I gotcha, Rich!
@VincentHanna121 Lol shapiro is a clown .
@@joewright3904 Of the highest order!
Razorfist provided nothing but fact, Hamin provided slanderous opinion that he has no way of backing up.
From what he’s saying hamin believes logic and evidence should be completely ignored when in court
So you guys think he did it or not ?
Big Virgil he’s innocent.
@@hoopjab Thanks haven't watched this yet but I agree , haven't even watched the doc don't want to waste my time unless there was some crazy revelations with proof in it .
I am sure Bin Hamin was convicted in what he thinks, whether he is right or wrong. Good for Razor and Bin to give a detail account for both sides of the fence, debates like these are more informative than one sided documentaries
Razorfist wins
Fatality
Razorfist wins.
It is well known by medical science and psychology that victims of childhood sexual assault will forget and mix up details because of the brains mechanism to suppress memories if those memory is simply to traumatic to comprehend. In other words, simply because there has been proof that a memory presented in the documentary was false, doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s a lie.
Razorfist - sorry guys, he pretty much destroyed you
Razorfist was ON FIRE! Massive props go to this guy for dropping all this knowledge.
Pretty much
It’s just called research. Do it yourself. By yes great gob razorfist
Hands down 💯🙏 #Razerfist spot on
I was of the opposite opinion. If u scream doesnt mean u have better arguments. And he is screaming as Michael is moonwalking inside his but.
Razor wins this easy. I'm not an MJ fan at all, but Razor was the only one that had his shit together here. Evidence beats allegations and facts beats feelings. Russo actually comes off the worst here. How can he have an opinion without even watching Razor's fact filled videos?
Because he's Russo. In his mind, that's all he needs.
Russo shows his brains here. Which isn't much. Sucked in wrestling and sucks as a whatever he is here. Those guys are lying. Russo needs to research them before going by his feelings. If he says bro one more time I am gonna go insane. Shit!
he had his shit together but his shit was from the wrong side. which is why i won't watch the whole video. it would be nice if there was someone else who has done their research to fire back. for a start he says michael jackson displayed no pedo behvaiour... well he had books of naked photos of boys. so thats totally false from the get go.
barrelrolldog Razorblah has the _bulldozer_ tactic. Just a waterfall of blablah and info you cannot check in 2 seconds.
I checked a bunch of his blah about "evidence" but it's just his views.
I cannot wait till more people will come forward with the truth. Razorblah will need to confess he was wrong and I wonder if his brain can handle that. Maybe he will disappear from internet of will cut of his hair... or is that a wig?
Anyway, all those lawsuits were a big show and the best lawyer and most money won. The boys also defended MJ back then so MJ was lucky.
Here some evidence if you have a brain.
The boys says that MJ said "If you love me, you will sleep on the bed..."
That's blackmail!
If the kid refused that would've meant "I don't love you".
And MJ supposed to have slept on the floor!! Do you believe that???
If you look closely you will notice a fuckup.
MJ blackmails the kid into his bed and then says he slept on the floor. He tries to suggest he had a sleeping bag but the kid says he just threw blankets on the floor.
Do yo see MJ sleeping on the floor all night on some expensive blankets????????????
See for yourself in the first minute.
Case closed (but there is so much more).
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@@rockyslay4310 When Michael asked the kid if he slept in a sleeping bag, why didn't the kid just say yes? He said no, you threw some blankets on the floor. Why would he do that? It doesn't make any sense. Unless, he did actually throw some blankets on the floor.
Some people want MJ to be guilty bcuz they can't rap their minds around a man that could have any woman he wants but openly doesn't mind spending some time with children.
What people need to understand is that while there are people who become abusers after they have been abused either physically or psychologically, there are those who become extremely protective and loving of children because of what they themselves have experienced as a child.
100 percent true
Michael was a social inadequate. Most of us learn our social skills at an early age hanging out with kids our own age at school. Michael never went to school and never hung out with kids his own age. He spent most of his own childhood around grown-ups who would've practically ignored him. The closest people to his own age he spent time with would've been the other Jackson boys who I'm sure didn't want their little baby-ass brother hanging around while they're doing coke and groupies, so it seems to me he spent a lot of his adulthood trying to recapture the childhood he was deprived of. He was a little weird, no arguments there, but here's the thing; being weird ain't a fucking crime.
@@The_Mighty_Fiction and that's on ✨period✨
I love this comment. I know many people who have been abused who have incredible empathy and would never want anyone else to go through what they went through. It’s true that most abusers have been abused themselves, but not everyone who has been abused turns into an abuser. It’s sort of like how every square is a rectangle but not every rectangle is a square, you feel me?
Why does this seem like Einstein was debating the three stooges?
Hahahahahaha 🤣🤣🤣
Lmao good one, I nearly spat out my drink when I read your comment. You're so right on point😂👌
Lmao thank you both
@@vlocke83 you're welcome.👍😁
vlocke83 that's exactly how it looked lol 😂
“Evidence is not proof of what did, or didn’t happen.” Say what?
Tina Bean 😂😂😂😂
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Ikr!?
Tina Bean lol ikr that’s the dumbest thing I heard from this whole video.
Exactly. It’s like what Dan Reed said when he was interviewed (Dan Reed being the dipshit who made the Leaving Neverland documentary). He had the cheek to sit there in front of video cameras and say, “what is the value of talking to anyone who says Michael Jackson was innocent “? Or words to that effect, basically.
As Razörfist rightly pointed out, people who say that Michael Jackson was innocent are providing a witness statement that needs to be investigated further. So actually, evidence and witness statements are VERY relevant!
Razorfist 1 other guys 0
It is well known by medical science and psychology that victims of childhood sexual assault will forget and mix up details because of the brains mechanism to suppress memories if those memory is simply to traumatic to comprehend. In other words, simply because there has been proof that a memory presented in the documentary was false, doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s a lie.
@richardcarte but it is a lie. They are only after money
@@richardcarte
Mixing up a memory is 1 thing but getting pretty much everything wrong and attending MJs bbqs after supposedly being abused along with willingly going into court to DEFEND MJ and AFTER he got sexually abused. Come on what abused victim would defend a "sexual predator" against an accuser of sexual abuse when he was sexuallly abused himself.
Why would he do that? This is just the beginning of the bs behind these phoney accusations.
Why is everyone in here, apart from Razorfist, super immature
saif162 What do you expect from people who are sheep that’s foolish and just follows the flock?
BTIsaac in this case it's like a professor among a bunch of retarded baboons.
Razor blew these guys out of the water. The other guys relied too much on emotion and assumptions. I hope these guys never serve on a jury. It does seem awfully suspicious that the Harvey Weinstein documentary came out around the same time and you haven’t heard much about it.
Tosh La what Weinstein doc?
03soflyy There is a documentary called Untouchable that’s about Weinstein. It also premiered at Sundance, but you haven’t heard much about it. I wonder why 🤔?
Marvin S. Putnam was the lawyer for aeg the company that put on the this is it Michael Jackson tour.Aeg was being sued by the Jackson estate for wrongful death The Jackson lost this case but this is not the end of Marvin Putnam!in tbis case he said he was going to expose M.J demons.Check this out !!!!guess who his wife? is Keri Putnam!!!!! she is the CEO of Sundance Institute yes the same Sundance that released the leaving never land mockumentary!It gets better though check this out
she also was the Executive VP for HBO Films from 2002-2006 then she also worked for Miramax which is owned by guess who?Harvey Weinstein and Bob Weinstein.So outwardly she blast Harvey Weinstein but behind close doors she got his back Sundance released the 98-minute documentary untouchable about Harvey Weinstein but it was completely over shadowed by talks of leaving neverland .Now Harvey Weinstein also had help "allegedly "getting young girls by Oprah Winfrey according to British actress Kadian Noble.So now do you see why she co signed on this mockcumentary?oh yea guess who was watching this trash with her!!!!
DAVID GEFFEN !!!!!!Sounds familiar?Michael Jackson hated David Geffen because a closely-knit group of people at Hollywood headed by Geffen had sunk his career, and Michael was perfectly aware of it.David Geffen was apart of what M.J called the Hollywood gay mafia and Gefden is feared all in Hollywood.So as you can tell if you connected the dots you can clearly see a conspiracy to take down M.J ijs.
Anyone who can tell it as it is:😷😁
"I understand, Osama, the only way you're going to see 72 virgins is in a house of mirrors" (@22 min) is pretty brilliant.
@@03soflyy exactly
Razorfist completely debunked this “documentary.” I saw the documentary - all of it - before I even came across him. And reality debunks the story, I don’t really care about your “gut” or your “feelings” and “beliefs.”
Evidence is what is important here.
Agreed 👌
Did he f@@k - he's full of shit. He's a poor man's Alex Jones on crack.
You don't have the training to know what evidence in this context is at a sophisticated level or how to analyze it; that takes a substantial masters or doctorate in forensic psychology or criminal justice; period
@@writerdirect you need a degree to be able to interpret evidence?
@@madaxwayne yes you do actually; you're talking colloquially? in slang? or you're talking for real? yeah you need all kinds of graduate education just to even know what serious evidence is and how to interpret it; i walked into masters program in forensic psychology; all ready had masters in general psych and anthropology and was very sophisticated ;published non fiction author; unit head in production companies; and i couldnt have guessed at the knowledge; to really know what evidence is and to analyze you need a year of graduate statistics or you dont even know what youre reading; i would be at the cut off for an expert; they would probably get someone more advanced than me; i would be an advanced intermediate but enough to be able to call myself an expert in court and analyze evidence data; but yeah you want a serious answer; in the case; in the case of evaluating whether or not someone is a predator if you dont have the smoking gun of multiple eye witnesses or a tape; yeah you would ; you would need a graduate degree and a very very serious one and doctoral level math; otherwise you wouldnt know what to look for; what to do with it; how to analyze it; i trained for 8 years; had a background in psych and anthropology before i went and did the forensic training which was eight years in both forensic psychology and in terrorism studies and i could not have guessed at the knowledge i studied; couldnt have deduced it without much study and then apprenticing on various research units; working with master criminologists etc and the very heavy stat training; all the things people are calling evidence in these threads ; little or none of it is evidence; my opinions are not based on any of it
When I saw Razor's name pop out, I got the popcorn and got ready 🍿🙏😁
TotallllyFrEnChH81 IKR! The man has done his Frig...Homework👏👏👏
@@50ways2leave5 something these other journalists need to wake up and do
FACTS:
* That edited/sliced 'Happy Birthday' message was recorded within days that Wade and Michael first ever spent any time together (aside from the time they met in Australia) and was filmed 7 months before his Bday
* James claimed to have owned the Thriller Jacket, it was actually given to Dennis Thompson (his clothing designers) and they had it until 2011 when it was auctioned
* James claims Harrison Ford gave him the whip from the Indiana Jones movie but it was actually given to the Institute of Archeology in 1990 (only 1 was used in the trilogy)
* James claims Michael called him asking him to testify in 2005 but he was considered a 'non entity' in the case months before the trial began. Neither one of them had a say as to if he could testify.
* James mother states she danced when Michael Jackson died... because?? According to James, he did not speak to anyone about his molestation until 2013
* Both mothers were laughing and lovingly talking about the time period they spent with Michael.. This is the time they would have been 'neglecting' their children, it is unnatural for a mother to lovingly express of the time and reasons she was neglecting her child.
* They talk about this elaborate grooming process Michael did but say he molested him the first day they were alone.. That's only hours from day to evening to make Wade comfortable enough to feel ok about something like that? Mind you, they were not US citizens so after the event, they'd be going home to Australia.. That's VERY risky!
IN COURT....
* When Wade was forced to release his emails, he breached the order claiming it did not exist, than refused to submit, than tried using 'attorney client privileges' to prevent the emails to enter the case.. It eventually entered the case!
* Wade Robsons emails show he sent himself a link from an anti MJ website that paints Jackson as a pedophile to build his case (why would he need to do that if it's a personal event?)
* Emails between Wade and his mother, Wade sends her an article making claims about Michael, she responds "wow, that never happened" and he still used the story in court.
* Emails between him and his mother show them going over stories and having 'many versions'
* Wade was caught lying under oath so bad that the judge stated "Their is no rational juror that could believe his testimony"
* Wade Robson wrote 2 drafts of a 'tell all' book, the court ordered Wade to produce both drafts and the story of his abuse changed significantly from one draft to the next
* James claims that he should address his abuse after seeing an interview with Wade on TV, however it was Wades attorneys that reached out to James before James made any move about the abuse.
* In court James 'jewelry' story never included a 'wedding ring' story, he stated he had a neckless he was given with a medallion - and that is where the story ends.. The wedding ring would be the most important piece of jewelry to the story... James original interview with Dan Reed in Feb 2017 did not include the ring story, they later got together in July 2017 to film and include the 'ring' story.
* The court ordered Wade to present his personal journals to the court and it stated allegations would make him "relatable and relevant" and "it's time for me to get mine". When questioned about the quotes he stated he does not know what he meant by his own words.
* Wade robson claims two contradictory things.. 1. that he did not see anything wrong with the abuse at the time because he felt that he was in a 'fulfilling sexual relationship' at 7 years old and that's why he did not speak out... 2. that Michael would drill & threaten him about if he spoke out and he did not speak out due to fear.
* James legal briefing states Michael spent thanksgiving with the Safechucks in 1987, Michael was in Australia on the Bad tour and was actually the day Michael Jackson met Wade Robson after the Target event.
* James claims to have 'honeymooned' at Euro Disney with Michael in 1988.. It was not open until 1992
* James claims to have been molested in NY after attending the '89 grammys. Michael never attended the grammys that year and it took place in Los Angeles
* Wade Robson was trying to have his wedding at Neverland and Michael Jacksons Nanny had to tell both Wade and Joy "NO" because the 2005 trial was going on at the time
* Wade claimed in court that he was unaware of the administration of the Michael Jackson Estate prior to March 6th 2013 which is another lie considering he was in contact with them about the Cirque De Soleil show and claims to have worked under MJ Ventures in the past. (which is why the estate would be liable in the first place)
* Wade claims that he was at Neverland and saw Michaels children and did not want Michaels kids to live without their dad and that's how he knew he 'had' to testify on Michaels behalf.. The time he visited Neverland was AFTER he testified
* They both have been working together since 2014 against the Jackson estate, it was Wades legal team that reached out to James (before James came forward). They worked with this legal team until both cases were thrown out. together switched to a different law firm where their complaints were amended. With those amendments, the accusations changed.
* James original case against the estate because he never had any working relationship with the estate, thus had no 'Duty Of Care'.. In the new claim included allegations against MJJ Ventures in respect to his alleged abuse in the 80's.. MJJ Ventures was not established until 1991 and never had any working relationship with Michael Jackson until 1994, 2 years after the alleged abuse ended.
* When chronologically looking at the claims against Jackson, as they had a hard time battling the estates 'ownership' in the alleged abuse - the stories became increasingly more elaborate including Michael Jacksons employees to incriminate those who are hired under MJJ productions.. Neither Wade or James can actually name any employee that allegedly were willing participants in covering up any abuse (including those they supposedly had personal interaction with)
* James 3rd amended complaint included a story including companies under MJJ companies that had 'youth programs' where Michael would be a mentor, these companies were called the 'most sophisticated child abuse procurement & Facilitation organization'. '.... a 'youth program' never existed..
* James case came to a dead end, trying to make the estate liable. James and his lawyers desperately tried to make the argument since Michael Jackson was the sole share holder and owner of MJJ companies. That Michael Jackson had the obligation to 'supervise himself', knowing he (himself) had 'criminal tendencies' and should not allow himself work in his own company. Fire himself and warn others about his tendencies.. This is all to make the estate liable for
On point sir, i knew all these factors s but did not collate them. I hope you don't mind me sharing Facts
Please do, just say 'rasheed' wrote it lol.. I am trying to get my name put there to possibly get an opportunity to help with the docuseries that taj jackson is putting together. I want to help!
@VincentHanna121 thanks man! there is more where that came from.. just spread the info, since mainstream doesn't want to ..
where did u get all that information?
I've fallowd these cases for 7 years... it is all public record, the 2 cases (7 amended complaints) all online.
Razorfist absolutely destroys and debunks not just the documentary but every allegation.
Michael Jackson was the kindest and yet most misunderstood person in the world and the rest of the jacked up panel just cannot even begin to understand that the there's absolutely no evidence whatsoever that Michael was a pedophile. In fact contrary it's the opposite, that Michael Jackson was the actual victim.
Michael Jackson was and still is the biggest star that's ever lived. Of course kids wanted to meet him. He marketed himself to everyone. The more open markets, the more profitable he was.
Bin hamin is just too angry and needs to sit and listen objectively instead of believing the MSM narrative which has been vehemently debunked.
Michael Jackson was the kindest and yet most misunderstood person in the world - SO TRUE
Deano LFC They refuse to understand because they want to insist the narrative of MJ as a pedo just because he looked weird. Pathetic.
I miss Michael Jackson. I couldn't agree more with you. But like Mike said,The lies become the truth
@@martheresa7550 You're extremely naive.
30 somethings don't hang around kids, he wasn't the host of Blue Clue's either. He was the biggest pop star of the 80s and early 90s. Even after the allegations and the pay off, which hurt his career, did he stop hanging around kids? NOPE
And sure let's pretend he just wanted to help sick kids, you don't have to have them stay at your house for that, especially when continuing to do so only tanks your career moreso.
He did it, no sane person throws away millions of dollars just so they can water balloon fight with other people's kids.
It is well known by medical science and psychology that victims of childhood sexual assault will forget and mix up details because of the brains mechanism to suppress memories if those memory is simply to traumatic to comprehend. In other words, simply because there has been proof that a memory presented in the documentary was false, doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s a lie.
Why is Razorfist even there with this bunch of fools. He is woke. Those sheep are pathetic.
Preach
Nikki Beacth "Woke" is such an overused word... Razor just knows better. That's why the arguments of the other guys fell short. Facts give less than a fuck about your feelings.
Nikki Beacth exactly
He’s getting the truth and facts out and he OWNS em’ real good.
Agreed!!!! Morons have no facts or evidence to prove anything razorfist has all total evidence...
You’re cannot argue facts. Facts do not care about your feels. This isn’t a fair debate. Where is the objective mediator, “bro?” Christ. Is this man saying that he is an actual psychologist? Your “gut feelings” are not relevant. You are all hyped up about Jeff believing Razorfist, but all you have watched ADMITTEDLY is the documentary, and Oprah. You have a very obvious bias. Razorfist is a genius. The guy speaks so quickly, and fiercely without a script. He’s brilliant, witty, and fact based. He is a voice of reason beyond all of this wholly emotional reactivity. People have lost their skepticism, and logic.
I would want to know which Psychology class he attended because psychologists are taught to support their claims with evidence. That's Psyc 101.
Michaels spell was hard to brake but leaving Neverland did it
I agree with you. This is a debate and this bin is like he hate MJ befor all this mess of doc.
@checkincheckout76543 google Michael Jackson personal video maker and assistant... ex and future husband of Debbie. A homosexual porn film producer with a preference in ester european teem looking boys. That single peace of evidence is enough.
Hamin just rebutted every fact with a stupid joke or quip, got really annoying and made me believe Razorfist more.
Once you get off the late-night-comedy plantation, responses like that just make the user look like an asshole.
When Rush Limbaugh said that molestation is an accusation that you can't defend yourself from, he was right. Look no further than this podcast; every point Razor made was taken as further evidence of guilt.
It is well known by medical science and psychology that victims of childhood sexual assault will forget and mix up details because of the brains mechanism to suppress memories if those memory is simply to traumatic to comprehend. In other words, simply because there has been proof that a memory presented in the documentary was false, doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s a lie.
@@LuciusC It is well known by medical science and psychology that victims of childhood sexual assault will forget and mix up details because of the brains mechanism to suppress memories if those memory is simply to traumatic to comprehend. In other words, simply because there has been proof that a memory presented in the documentary was false, doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s a lie.
@@redpillfreedom6692 It is well known by medical science and psychology that victims of childhood sexual assault will forget and mix up details because of the brains mechanism to suppress memories if those memory is simply to traumatic to comprehend. In other words, simply because there has been proof that a memory presented in the documentary was false, doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s a lie.
Honestly, it's refreshing to see that viewers actually see through the BS and acknowledge actual evidence rather than lack of evidence & conjecture.
Even Stevie wonder can see he is innocent
Bin: The evidence in court isn't the whole story.
Razorfist: OK, well, here's all the evidence these two schmucks are flat-out, bald-faced fucking liars.
Bin: Nah.
Me: ...fucks SAKE!
It is well known by medical science and psychology that victims of childhood sexual assault will forget and mix up details because of the brains mechanism to suppress memories if those memory is simply to traumatic to comprehend. In other words, simply because there has been proof that a memory presented in the documentary was false, doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s a lie.
@@joewright3904 It is well known by medical science and psychology that victims of childhood sexual assault will forget and mix up details because of the brains mechanism to suppress memories if those memory is simply to traumatic to comprehend. In other words, simply because there has been proof that a memory presented in the documentary was false, doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s a lie.
Bin Hamin literally brought the ignorance to this one. Did he watch Razorfist’s videos? He’s using a lot of arguments that were discredited in that 3 part series. I just don’t get it...
"I understand Osama, & the only way you're going to see 72 virgins is in a house of mirrors."
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Razorfist aka The Receipt King
The moment that Hamin shut up and let Razor speak, is when he was left speachless
3 vs 1 and he destroyed them thats the power of research and common sense get em Razor 😂😂
Amen ...THOSE MEN SOUND SOOOOO DUMB I WANA SLAP RUSSO AND BIG BOY WITH A BEARD. .OMG ...I HIPE THEY REWATCH THEMSELVES ..AND FEEL SO STUID ..MAYBE RUSSO WELL TAKE IT DOWN CUZ DANG!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
EXACTLY.
One of the boys was able to accurately describe his penis as confirmed by one of the doctors who worked with Michael and also Michael literally defended sleeping with a young boy that wasn’t his and without permission in an interview.
One of the boys was able to accurately describe his penis as confirmed by one of the doctors who worked with Michael and also Michael literally defended sleeping with a young boy that wasn’t his and without permission in an interview.
Everyone's so comfortable in their ignorance. Razor brought actual facts to the table.
Wut?? ಠ_ಠ ....exactly, isn't it scary!!! just literally chilling in their stupidity and HAPPY about it, smh!! They LITERALLY don't want to hear it ....just frightening! ...poor Mike 😕
Wut?? ಠ_ಠ Those other fools are hillbillies
It wasn't Safechuck's mother who was asked to leave her kid with MJ for a year, it was Robson's. You can't even get the facts straight on the documentary.
That's true yet I see both sides making mistakes ....yet by far the haters and folks that think mj is guilty make many many more mistakes,,,,,,, mj researchers are some of the best invesagaters on the planet for reals..
@@BAFFLing752 And that mother is just as full of shit as Wade. She was liking pro MJ posts on Facebook after Wade accused him. When she was caught suddenly she unliked them. Fucking fraud, all Robsons in that movie is in debt. But they don't say that either. They want to fix their money problems by dragging MJ through the mud and suing his estate
I'm trying to continue the study of the reactions to this film and i have to say its clear that the pro MJ people have some facts and dates and names all in the right place but the people against MJ are factless on all fronts and this is frustrating since i'm trying process a thought on it all, But i realize that the folks who believe the film has materiel proof in its existence alone are reacting from an emotional place, which is what this film is designed to do, its 4 hours, so its designed to repulse, to push you away from everything MJ. The filmmakers use the words "Narrative" and Imagine" way too much in interviews.
I just posted a list of facts on this page.. take a look, there is something like 25 facts that you can't ignore.. Let me know what you think!
Yeah, did it really need to be four hours long?
DoranArtMedia Exactly! And that's why he was exonerated
One of the boys was able to accurately describe his penis as confirmed by one of the doctors who worked with Michael and also Michael literally defended sleeping with a young boy that wasn’t his and without permission in an interview.
If you want to go against with Razor, you have to present the receipts not just theories. Just saying. 👌
Dance with the Razor, you get cut
Conjecture: an opinion or conclusion formed on the basis of incomplete information.
Razor = Facts. Others = conjecture.
This was painful to listen to. Razor mopped the floor with that guy. This bin hamin guy was especially grinding my brain and actively lowering my IQ by listening to him.
Anyone who gives any validity to this shitamentary is intellectually challenged and has a low IQ. People who are not capable of engaging their brains before spouting uneducated opinions - or they're just sheep that are spoonfed sensationalist trash....
Thank you! Razör was SO level-headed and patient. The interruptions are actually making me nauseous! They're so rude, they aren't even LISTENING!
Hamin: The evidence in court isn't the whole story.
Razor: OK, well, here's all the evidence that points to these two schmucks being shameless bald-faced fucking liars trying a grift on the Jackson estate.
Hamin: Nah.
Me: ...fuck's SAKE!
It is well known by medical science and psychology that victims of childhood sexual assault will forget and mix up details because of the brains mechanism to suppress memories if those memory is simply to traumatic to comprehend. In other words, simply because there has been proof that a memory presented in the documentary was false, doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s a lie.
@@lila44411 It is well known by medical science and psychology that victims of childhood sexual assault will forget and mix up details because of the brains mechanism to suppress memories if those memory is simply to traumatic to comprehend. In other words, simply because there has been proof that a memory presented in the documentary was false, doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s a lie.
Know the facts before you go on a debate or you will appear ignorant.
Know the facts. Or memorize the pro Michael Jackson propaganda not based on fact.
Amen❤️
Looks like the only guy bringing the facts was Razorfist. Facts > Feelings
Razor wins easy case closed!
If they were molested, they would never want to be near him again. 😒 if a kid is harmed, they stay away to stop it if they can. Parents would notice the change in behavior
not true actually. they were brainwashed, they didn't event think they were molested until they were adults.
@@barrelrolldog you do realize that Wade was an adult when he testified in court that nothing happened. He was also an adult when he praised him at his funeral 😒
@@AngellMessiah you do realise that he was brainwashed right? thats what grooming is all about. its a lot easier to brainwash someone when you start at 7 years old. he probably still loves jackson even now, it by no means doesn't prove he wasn't molested by him. infact it makes it much more likely because it fits with the grooming.
barrelrolldog ....so, you mean to tell me, after ALL OF THE FACTS AND EVIDENCE provided by Razorfist- in not only this video, but in his other 3 rebuttal as well, u STILL believe Michael is guilty??!?!?!
....mind blowing, smh!!! I'm am beginning to become afraid of the people in this world-- specifically, in situations such as this, that involve BLATANT PROPAGANDA, and people who DELIBERATELY ignore what is right in their faces!!! Even if it isn't deliberate, it's still just as scary, because that shows u have (& probably 70% of the population) have been HORRIFICALLY BRAINWASHED!!!!!! Then u have Elvis Presley, with overwhelming documented proof of dating underage girls, one whom eventually became his wife (Priscilla Presley) but met at the age of 14/while he was 24 yrs old!!! Link provided below....Priscilla Presley HERSELF, OPENLY talked about this on NATIONAL TV with Barbara Walters... This woman said it out of her OWN MOUTH and there was no worldwide uproar, the media didn't trash Elvis, demanding his music be removed from the airwaves, eliminating his acts from Las Vegas, even his impersonators and scratching him from the history books, etc etc!!!!! ...the world said nothing & didn't bat an eye....but are absolutely DESTROYING MICHAEL!!!! look at the other videos exposing those 2 dudes & that director, smh! ....poor, poor Michael, smh!!
ruclips.net/video/sLG2fY-B2HI/видео.html below--
@@barrelrolldog The only grooming done was by the media to the public.
Also, you have to understand that Michael Jackson was NOT an average guy. He had a genuine love for kids. You have to read a lot on him to understand who he really was. What he did for kids at Neverland was purely charity. He barely was at home. I know it is hard to believe that a human being could do so much charity out of goodness alone. But Michael WAS that person. And the press saw that and used it against him. And I think it is unacceptable to comment what he did or not do to his wife. Were you present there with them to see what happened? That was an ugly comment.
Should Michael Jackson have known this was coming because there were pyjama parties at Neverland? Ofourse, he would have if he thought like us. But he never did. Those parties were purely innocent and fun for him. So he did nothing to protect himself. His only fault that he tried hard to save this world, which is far too brazen to be mended. And he is paying the price till this day.
Michael Jackson was really guilty of thinking himself as one of the kids and being on their level instead of being the adult.
@@PungiFungi He did not think himself as a kid. He looked upon kids with affection and enjoyed their company because of their innocence and purity. BTW what are your thoughts on how Dan Reed has admitted that Safechuck lied in the film about the abuse?
@@supersuparan , if that is true then he should retract the entire film. Or labeled it as fiction taking place in an alternate universe.
@@PungiFungi yes I agree. Read for yourself: www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/leaving-neverland-director-makes-embarrassing-14221624
@@supersuparan bless u
This Wade guy was dating MJ's niece at the same time for all 7 years. MJ set up so they could meet and they fell in love. But of course they don't mention shit about that in the doc. Also if MJ was doing all this shit to Wade for so many years, why the hell would he put Wade on the stand as his key witness? It is way too risky. Plus are they not right now in a lawsuit against MJ estate? If people really spend 10 min on the other side they will find out they are full of shit those 2 men.
Right now they are suing the MJ estate for 1 billion dollars.
@@ellenblaaberg8213 Yeah it's crazy, they lost the first time around. They are so many holes with those 2 guys. In the Doc they also said he was with MJ in 1987 for thanksgiving at Neverland, but guess what MJ was in Japan that day doing a show. So many things wrong with those guys.
I watched brandi jacksons interview w dee grimes, and i now think wade is lieing. The public was groomed by wade and the meetoo movement making it possible for so many ppl to believe them. I think they thought if we put tons of details, ppl will be inclined to believe it on that alone...thats how many ppls mind works. They think these details are too much to make up. And they knew ppl think like that. Truth is its easy to make up tons of details, especially for wade who brandi makes clear is a liar
he was dating the niece when they were like 12. how does that change ANYTHING?
@@ryanpurplenintendoeater9869 why are you so eager to see MJ defend himself? we know what he will say. the same shit he said before, that he is innocent, these guys are lying, he just loves kids, ect ect ect. not a shred of anything credible to it.
The only person who has facts is razor
I don’t get why someone WANTS to believe MJ was a pedophile. And say they don’t want to listen to logic because it may make sense.
No one wants to believe that. I used to be a huge fan. It actually hurt me a lot and I felt betrayed when I realised what he had done. But I'd rather know the truth than live a comforting lie.
@@CorpsDiplomatique22 Are you implying that Micheal actually did it? Have you learned any common sense? Because that's what I'm getting from your comment.
One of the boys was able to accurately describe his penis as confirmed by one of the doctors who worked with Michael and also Michael literally defended sleeping with a young boy that wasn’t his and without permission in an interview.
@@lundulaproductions8958 One of the boys was able to accurately describe his penis as confirmed by one of the doctors who worked with Michael and also Michael literally defended sleeping with a young boy that wasn’t his and without permission in an interview.
@@richardcarte and my point again. That is false. He did NOT accurately describe his penis. The boy said MJ was circumcised. He was not circumcised.
I'm only halfway through and it's clear Vince should be acting more as a mediator and stopping Hamin from constantly interrupting Razor.
Yes! ...so so so annoying! I wish it was handled way better. Diasappointed. Smh
RazörFist is a different breed he rocks!
C'mon Vince. You remind me of me after I saw the documentary. I urge you to do research. I did it begrudgingly expecting to make MJ fans look like wackjobs. It turns out I was the wackjob.
Yeah it's amazing how all the main stream media propaganda falls apart the second you do any research yourself like the whole pay no attention to the man behind the curtain thing is happening big time with them.
Although you started researching to dig up dirt its good to hear acknowledgement of your findings: that you were wrong in your original judgement. It takes a big person to announce it so publicly. Sure theres hundreds more like you. Spread the word!
thats what happened to me too, but i researched more about mj and ended fell inlove with him instead.such a humble human being
that's the freakin thing, you think MJ's a wacko but the more you research about the case and about him the more he seems innocent and a kind human being.
Same! Everyone thinks MJ was a wack job until they research WHY he lived how he did. Now we know anyone who twisted how he lived are the REAL wack jobs!
Razor OWNS big time. Well done my friend well done.
One of the boys was able to accurately describe his penis as confirmed by one of the doctors who worked with Michael and also Michael literally defended sleeping with a young boy that wasn’t his and without permission in an interview.
Thanks Razor, these guys mind as well throw out the judicial system, what a** holes!
Extremely disappointed in Russo, for a guy who whines about people ignoring evidence when it comes to you, you just openly admitted that you blatantly refused to watch razorfists response videos because they didn’t fit your narrative. The man was proven innocent in the court of law, you’re going by the word of two perjurers and you have the nerve to say “we’ll never know “
*The man was proven innocent in the court of law ....... so was OJ dumbass*
@@dudebud007 at least there was evidence against oj...on mj side its just tabloid bs.
James dudebud Didn’t OJ get off on a technicality? I mean the L.A. cops really fucked things up too
@@toshla4871 thats the whole point - sometimes guilty are found innocent and innocent are found guilty until years and fucking years later the whole thing comes out
The evidence is out there, 99% sure he’s guilty.
Sorry you had to go through this Razorfist. Why would the others even try and argue anything with him when he clearly knows way more about it than them? They need to shut up, listen and say wow I didnt know that.....and completely missing his points.
I would like to see razor douche debate someone who actually knows more than him.
@@jonnyjeremiahtv DOUCHBAG.!!.is the mirror looking at you!!
It is well known by medical science and psychology that victims of childhood sexual assault will forget and mix up details because of the brains mechanism to suppress memories if those memory is simply to traumatic to comprehend. In other words, simply because there has been proof that a memory presented in the documentary was false, doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s a lie.
@richardcarte they haven't once claimed to have forgotten anything though, in fact they go into great detail of what supposedly happened...and where it happened. Which is their downfall.
@@1991ltd also very common with victims. Even if they themselves believe wholeheartedly, that they remember correctly or haven’t forgotten anything when in fact they did. That’s why it’s highly recommended by psychologist to any victims that they go through some kind of memory therapy. I forget what the exact name of the therapy is but it is some kind of memory recall therapy.
a real documentary should have both sides debated & shown throughout it. They're all just agenda driven now.
documentaries rarely have both sides. It's a documentary not a debate. Documentaries always have an agenda.
@@danielmann5427 Have you watched the Madeleine McCann docu? Wild Wild Country? These are proper documentaries that bring all sides on the table and let the viewer decide what they believe, especially on a subject where the answer tends to be "I don't know".
What's the "other side"? Saying it's okay for an adult to sleep in bed with little kids that aren't his?
MJ is dead, no one else was in the bedroom. We heard his version long enough, glad the victims finally get to talk.
@@CorpsDiplomatique22 They are not accusing him of sleeping in bed but very specific sex acts. In 1993 Robson told the truth, the same others who slept on Jackson's bed also said: there was no physical contact and they were fully clothed and it's a big bed. If all those sex acts had happened they most certainly would have realized it was abused long before age 29 and 35. What they say is impossible.
@@CorpsDiplomatique22 Robson talked UNDER OATH in 2005 as the very first defense witness. If Jackosn had molested him no way he would have wanted him to be cross examined by aggressive prosecutors, would have been way to risky especially since Robson's testimony was not needed to win the case. Explain why Robson was asked to testify if he was raped. Hello?
Razorfist took the W easy👑
Razorfist sounds so logical ... Respects
Michael had a pure heart. This world does NOT understand THAT because this world is SO CONVOLUTED and in still in the DARK AGES... UGGGGGGGGHHHH!!!!!
I think you're right. As I've aged and become more acutely aware of the world around me I began to think that we had entered a new dark age, but I think your assessment is even more correct. We've never left the dark ages. Half the world's population refuses to evolve towards the age of enlightenment. We're well past it, yet there behavior and thought process of most people reflects darkness and willful ignorance.
Brandi Jackson talked about the ENTIRE estate being filled with cameras 🎥.. the big guy obviously brought no evidence to the table and he sounds like everyone in the media
Bro. This debate, bro.
I've never heard another human being use a term so much in such a small amount of time. This isn't 1997 and you aren't 16, bro.
Listening to him say bro was annoying asf. He’s older than my dad.
What are you, a fucking teenager?
Raz0rfist getting himself over on a few jobbers!
Mike was a kid at heart he trusted kids because adults did him wrong. This black bearded guy needs to be investigated
I hope to God nobody falsley accuses Bin Hamin of anything ever.... If he has people as ignorant as he is against him... Damn, he'd be finished.
XxX ames XxX lol seriously
TRUTH.
razorfist should be out in the media defending the jackson.
It's not a hush money! They could have testified after they got the money they weren't obligated to stay quite!
Exactly, that's the truth.
It was a legal court settlement paid from his insurance company. They wanted to squash the nonsense so that they could focus on mounting a defense for the anticipated criminal charges. Michael actually fought the insurance company for a while. Rightfully so. The agreed upon settlement was not an admission of guilt for neglect, or anything else. It was “without prejudice,” so the Chandler’s could have filed criminal charges, but it’s clear that was never their priority.
@@Investigativebeanit's a common pattern with these greedy money grabbers 💸💸💸💸💸💸💸💸
One person is innocent in all of this, Michael Jackson!
Big guys with small brains!! Facts vs senseless reasoning;tragic! It's a shame "BRO" 😂...
Absolutely no one has a clue what the fuck they’re talking about except Razor.
Yep. I heard not a single fucking fact from any of these bozos except him.
Razor slew them.
I'm glad these guys r not working in a court of law.
Yes. They're so smug in their ignorance.
That Razorfist guy kicked ass
Nice try guys but Razorfist blew them off totally 🤗and Razor is the Winner of this case 🤗
The bloke with a beard is a vigilante and wants him to be guilty
He certainly does.
can people stop saying ' you only think he's innocent because you an obsessed fan'..no...some people like to learn more and come to their own conclusions. i can say the same to those who just watched the docu...you brainwashed in 4 hours.
popcorn pop 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 the lie is easily believed sell and run but the truth needs evidence you have to prove yourself to be innocent.
OMR nope. I just believe in innocent until prove. Guilty. My friend wouldn’t be here if we just believed the victims without proof
right like I am a fan but it's bigger than that, these are the worst accusations that a person could face, so it doesn't matter it needs to be investigated further regardless.. people want to believe he was guilty for some reason
@@aliciafreeman4238 - no one can prove innocents. Courts don't even do that. It's guilty or not guilty. But innocent, none of us were in his bed. We don't know what he did or didn't do.
I'm not even a fan of MJ, but that's no reason not to take an interest in a high profile case such as this. Personally, i thought the documentary felt very dramatised and set up. I'm a film and TV director and I can tell you, those felt very much like scripted lines that they were reading as the delivery was incredibly similar to how an actor would say a piece of dialogue, plus the editing was suspiciously manipulative. It felt like a bad attempt by a second rate director who was trying WAY too hard to get what he wanted and ended up with a product that was so rehearsed and polished that it left out the sincerity.
Did that guy really say evidence is only 10% of someone’s innocence? Holy shit that’s the most asinine comment I’ve ever heard. I hope that he doesn’t find himself being falsely accused of a crime where evidence of his innocence is just 10%.
He should never do jury duty. What a fucking raisin.
Some people really haven't got a clue
Bin Hamin got real silent towards the end when Raz0r kept coming in with the facts 💀💀💀
Bin Hamin looked so defeated! This what happens when you rely on emotional charges over facts. WAKE UP
Exactly. Defeated because he can't handle all the facts that razorfist is spitting. Razorfist makes them all look absolutely stupid. Also disgusting the way they're joking about child sexual abuse. So vile.
@@paulharding1972 One of the boys was able to accurately describe his penis as confirmed by one of the doctors who worked with Michael and also Michael literally defended sleeping with a young boy that wasn’t his and without permission in an interview.
One of the boys was able to accurately describe his penis as confirmed by one of the doctors who worked with Michael and also Michael literally defended sleeping with a young boy that wasn’t his and without permission in an interview.
After 45 minutes the guys debating Razofist get less aggressive as though they've been owned.
Razorfist clearly the only one who's bothered to look into this
Russo says bro waaaay too much lol razorfist just embarrass these lot lol.
Razorfist👏👏👏
Facts versus opinion..
Vince Russo "I have no recipts, bro. I'm using so much conjecture, bro. I'm a dumbass that can't debate with Razor, bro"
No one mentions that MJ sleeps on the floor while the kids are on the bed
And he had another adult in the room with him. And that his bedroom was the size of a two story duplex
exactly .
If there was fire where there is smoke, so to speak, there would be no need for a justice system. Everyone would just assume guilt.
How could Michael as a child be sexually abused? He was NEVER alone - grew up in a. tiny house with eight siblings and a stay at home mother. Then with the Jackson 5 he was again NEVER alone - with his brothers in hotels, etc. And there was Security. Even if somebody wanted to abuse him they couldn't have gotten close.
Physical (Not sexual) abuse by his stern, Jehiovah Witness father.....for greatness sake and religious sake...Got it?!!
Wade was shopping a book BEFORE he filed his first complaint. He even hired literary agent Alan Nevins to help him. That’s right folks iut’s more important to get yourself a book deal and make some money than to seek criminal justice.
In terms of Wade’s lawsuit against the Estate, October 20, 2016 Estate asked Wade to provide them the drafts and treatments of his book, then also questioned why didn’t he turn it over before as the book was clearly about his abuse allegations. Wade replied by saying he didn’t produce the book because he was unable to locate it. so credible. Let’s just say hypothetically Michael Jackson was a pedophile, Wade had two prior occasions to testify against him, to seek criminal justice, to prevent other people from being molested and yet he testified in Michaels defence any only after MJ died comes out with abuse allegations not before first writing a book about
it and trying to sell it. He also set about suing MJs estate after MJs family started suing the concert organisers for wrongful death. MJ’s Estate stood to be worth more.
In his own lawsuits against the estate he was reprimanded for manipulating evidence (he first didn’t not provide the estate with requested emails about his accusations, then only presented one email stating that was all the emails, then provided more emails but failed to include attachments and had heavily redacted the emails. So this is a guy who lied under oath, perjured himself and manipulated evidence. Now to Safechuck his parents were being sued in 2013 for $840,000 by their business partners this is around the same time tWade had already contacted Safechuck regarding his lawsuit against MJs estate. Now Safechuck joins Wade’s one billion dollar estate claim.
In January 2000, a woman named Janet Arvizo consulted with a civil lawyer about suing Michael Jackson for having allegedly molested her son.1 This would have been the second child molestation lawsuit filed against Jackson, the first being the result of sexual abuse allegations that were made by a 13-year-old boy in 1993.
The problem, however, is that in January 2000, Janet Arvizo had never met Michael Jackson; neither had her son. In fact, it would still be another seven months before Jackson would even be introduced to the Arvizo family.
Three years after their initial meeting in August 2000, Janet Arvizo’s son accused Michael Jackson of sexual abuse; the pop star is currently preparing to fight these claims in court. During a recent pre-trial hearing, Arvizo’s plans to sue Michael Jackson before she had even met him were made public by Jackson’s lead defense attorney Thomas Mesereau Jr. According to Mesereau, Arvizo had revealed this information to investigators in June 2003, when she and her children first made accusations against Jackson.2’
Janet Arvizo has a history of filing sexual abuse lawsuits she filed one again a JC Penny security guard who tried to stop her from stealing and later admitted to a paralegal she made the entire thing up Furthermore Jc Pennies did the same thing Michael Jackson’s lawyers advised him to do. A
Two years after filing a $3 million lawsuit against the companies, Janet Arvizo also accused the security guards of sexually assaulting her during the altercation, an allegation that had never come up in her initial deposition. The companies settled out of court for $152,500 without admitting guilt.3
Tom Griffin, the attorney who represented JCPenney in the case, told NBC’s Mike Taibbi that the Arvizo family had no evidence to substantiate their claims. “[The mother] just came up with this fairy tale, not a fairy tale, it’s a horror story, and just ran with it,”4 Griffin said.
A psychiatrist hired by JCPenney during the investigation said that the children’s testimonies sounded scripted and rehearsed,5 a suspicion that was confirmed by their father. In an affidavit, David Arvizo admitted that the children had been coached by their mother to lie. According to Russell Halpern, an attorney for Mr. Arvizo, “[The mother] wrote all of their testimony. I actually saw the script.”6
The Arvizo family’s litigious past, for example, immediately became the focus of much media attention. The general public learned about the accusations that Janet Arvizo had levelled against JCPenney and her ex-husband, as well as her alleged history of coaching her children to lie under oath.
Furthermore, both the Department of Children and Family Services and the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Department had investigated Jackson in February 2003 and concluded based on their interviews with the Arvizos that no abuse had taken place. It seems unlikely that Jackson could have molested the boy while being investigated for suspected child abuse by two separate government agencies.
“After millions of dollars were spent by prosecutors and police departments in two jurisdictions, and after two grand juries questioned close to 200 witnesses, including 30 children who knew Michael Jackson, not a single corroborating witness could be found.”
Newsday, 1993,
“No hard evidence had been gathered from the hundreds of papers, photographs and videotapes seized during the raids on Jackson’s Neverland home and Century City apartment.”
One of the boys was able to accurately describe his penis as confirmed by one of the doctors who worked with Michael and also Michael literally defended sleeping with a young boy that wasn’t his and without permission in an interview.
100% agree with Razorfist, he is the most intelligent one on this broadcast. To me it looks like the other three used bully boy tactics to pick at Razorfist but it didn't work.
@extremedude1234 yes why?
@extremedude1234 ah! I see Hun, thx. Definitely an idiot for sure.
@extremedude1234 exactly hun, I've done a lot of research. It's disgusting that wade & safechuck are lying about Michael. No not animator.
Yeah I've heard that, glad Brandi & Taj are doing the documentary can't wait til it comes out. Yeah I think Opera is getting scared & that's why she's back tracking & deleting stuff about neverland mocumentry, good she should be scared as the real truth is coming to get her.
The guy with the beard can't handle it. He cannot accept any of razorfists facts.
Some of ya’ll should just stick to talking about wrestling 👀👀👀
Well said.
Razor won.
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If your abuser might be going to prison, and you were at a dinner party seeing his kids, wouldn’t your thought be to protect those children from their allegedly abusive father? You wouldn’t be thinking how sad it would be for him to be taken away from his children, you’d want to protect those children from possible abuse.
My thoughts exactly! smh
#MjInnocent
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Ruth Weeks Watch the video.
@@wut-dah_7212 don't get butthurt, all you mj fans are toxic
@@wut-dah_7212 remember he hung his baby outside while the babies feet was dangling ?
Ruth Weeks Yeah. That was stupid of him. No excuses here.
But Britney Spears nearly dropped her kid head first onto solid concrete. Does that make her a pedophile too? It doesn't mean anything, other then the fact that celebrities can be dysfunctional parents.
Man, the guy made them shut their mouths.
Having researched for 10 years, cross checked every fact, and having spoken to people privately, Razor is the only one here who’s spot on.
Right
Those nicknames... Applehead, rubba, little one... Pretty sure they're all from the Three Stooges... MJ used them all the time in all sorts of situations. Smh. Razorfist didn't even pull out all the punches and he still won hands down.
It is well known by medical science and psychology that victims of childhood sexual assault will forget and mix up details because of the brains mechanism to suppress memories if those memory is simply to traumatic to comprehend. In other words, simply because there has been proof that a memory presented in the documentary was false, doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s a lie.
@@richardcartedude go away!!!
if you're going to accuse michael guilty you better back that shit up with some knowledge and apparently razorfist did his homework
I definitely agree with Razor. Good on Vince for having a balanced debate.
Every time the old SANTA CLAUSE GRANDPA says "bro"...... TAKE A SHOT OF VODKA!
Bro, seriously bro, like, I'm getting some "Fly the W" vibes bro, ok, bro? (Bro) He's in his late 50's and uses "bro" as if it's cool or ever was cool to say it.
😂😂😂
You gotta look at the evidence and not how u are perceived by people. You always claim to have a bad rap from the wrestling community and never given a fair shake right?very disappointing
@XavierM yeah disappointing how people are sheep and just believe what they see/hear without investigating. Russo pretty much sounds like a hypocrite right here. Still love CTM but dang i see him differently now
''he was lying every time except when there was 1,5 billion dollars in it for him; you are using real critical thinking now'' lmao
Great interview! Razorfist went hard in the paint with all those facts.
Hard in the paint huh? Do you even know what that means?
Innocent lnnocent
Look up Ron Newt
D. Brown Didn’t tabloids offer him $200,000 to lie on MJ
@@toshla4871 yup. You know he just mysteriously died on the 11th. He was going to come out about oprah team offering him money again. Look up Tariq nasheed on Ron newt. he talks about it
D. Brown Yeah I saw Tariq talking about it at the airport. I think Vladtv was going to do another interview with him as well
@@toshla4871 yea thats crazy yo
@@Black_American_Native
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R I P
Ron & Joseph
Ron was a relative of Mr Joseph Jackson.
So sad.
I find it troubling that Victor Guttierez is not in prison somewhere. The fact that people still continue to overlook the obvious role and criminality of his book shows they've pretty much decided what they want to believe and that's it. And Razorfist is right - the pattern amongst accusers is that Michael Jackson was great until he cut contact with them or their delusional and opportunistic parents. That translates as he refused to continue funding their lifestyles or dream projects and basically live off his own talent.
What’s also troubling is that Gutierrez creep haven’t paid a single PENNY to Michael for damages from this gross fictional s🤬t book of his and instead he cowers back to Chile and claimed bankruptcy as an excuse for not paying for his crime of libel and slender.
@@princeofpop8 he was jailed for a short while in Chile for something about a beauty queen, I don't recall the details. He also coached a boy in Chile to tell lie about politicians running a paedophile ring. He definitely has a pattern of lying.
razorfist all the way!
Razorfist is the only one with a brain.
It is well known by medical science and psychology that victims of childhood sexual assault will forget and mix up details because of the brains mechanism to suppress memories if those memory is simply to traumatic to comprehend. In other words, simply because there has been proof that a memory presented in the documentary was false, doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s a lie.
Do people realize how many niece's and nephews MJ has they act like he is just having random sleepovers.
Razorfist is the only one who knows WTF he's talking about. The others are all stupid... BTW, Vince said "bro" 54 times in a span of half an hour...
Well… Russo was smart enough to admit early on that he was over his head and couldn’t argue with razor lol.
He was an idiot 😂😂
so if evidence doesn't matter, then why do trials even exist? in that case anyone who gets accused of any crime should just get thrown in jail because it *COULD* have happened.
Stop saying 'bro' so much! Irritating.
Razorfist wins this by a landslide.
MJ innocent
"The only way you're seeing 72 virgins is in a hall of mirrors."
I see Razor brought his shotgun to the discussion. LMFAO
I was stunned when I heard that, that shiznit is incredibly clever
Bro, I would have watched the whole video bro, but bro wouldn’t stop saying bro and it gave me a migraine, bro.